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#1
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 29, 2024, 03:25:42 PM
Doing an accum for the weekend.

Does anybody see any chance for Kildare this weekend?

Are they down more bodies from last weekend?

10/3 is fair odds.
#2
Derry v Dublin - Dublin
Mayo v Roscommon - Mayo
Kerry v Tyrone - Kerry
Monaghan v Galway - Galway

Fermanagh v Armagh - Armagh
Cavan v Meath - Cavan
Donegal v Louth - Donegal
Cork v Kildare - Cork

Limerick v Clare - Clare
Antrim v Westmeath - Westmeath
Down v Sligo - Down
Offaly v Wicklow - Offaly

Carlow v Wexford - Wexford
Laois v London - Laois
Tipperary v Waterford - Tipp
Longford v Leitrim - Longford
#3
Quote from: dec on February 27, 2024, 10:37:52 PMJarlath was at Windsor Park this evening for UEFA 2028 discussions, had a present for ELP



Genuinely encouraging to see some banter like this from both sides hopefully it can continue despite the differences we may have.
#4
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 25, 2024, 11:25:36 PM
I agree the Sunday game was a joke tonight.

The games they showed in detail were already televised.

Whole thing was rushed to fit in the hurling aswell
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 25, 2024, 06:15:30 PM
Donegal looked very poor today making a lot of basic mistakes.

Hard to make a full judgement on a Jimmy McGuinness side in the league though god knows what training thy are doing mid week.
#6
Tyrone v Mayo Mayo
Dublin v Kerry Dublin
Galway v Derry Derry
Roscommon v Monaghan Monaghan

Fermanagh v Cork Cork
Louth v Cavan Cavan
Meath v Kildare Meath
Armagh v Donegal Draw

Down v Offaly Down
Clare v Wicklow Clare
Sligo v Antrim Sligo
Westmeath v Limerick Westmeath

Wexford v Waterford Wexford
Longford v London Longford
Carlow v Leitrim Leitrim
Tipperary v Laois Laois
#7
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 16, 2024, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.

I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.

Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.

And why do they want to lie down? Its very easy to make such a glib statement without delving further into it.

Whatever about Kildare but Meath teams were never known for lying down. There has to be a reason for the culture change in Meath football over the past 20+ years.

Why the change in attitude or culture in Meath you ask?

Some theories would suggest that their has been a demographic change or transition in Meath from a mostly rural county to a more urbanized county?

Could this be a factor.
#8
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.

I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.

Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
#9
Rd 3 17/18 February

Derry v Monaghan - Derry
Dublin v Roscommon - Dublin
Kerry v Mayo - Kerry
Tyrone v Galway - Tyrone

Donegal v Fermanagh - Donegal
Cork v Cavan - Cork
Meath v Louth - Louth
Kildare v Armagh - Armagh

Antrim v Down - Down
Limerick v Sligo - Sligo
Offaly v Clare - Clare
Wicklow v Westmeath - Westmeath

Waterford v Longford - Longford
Laois v Carlow - Laois.
London v Tipperary - Tipperary
Leitrim v Wexford - Draw
#10
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 07, 2024, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 07, 2024, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2024, 11:40:27 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 11:24:13 AMObvious tweak is to only allow Provincial CHAMPIONS automatic entry to Sam (also previous year's Sam and Tailteann Champions).
Then go down the League till you get 16.


PS I'm not sure how we'd fix SeafĂ­n's problem that only strong teams win Sam.....
When is the last time a BMW county south of  Donegal won Sam ?  Offaly was the last beag bideach county to win Sam and that was over 40 years ago. The GAA isn''t interested in competition like other sports are- 6N, US football, even the EPL. Fans don't seem bothered either. In February everyone thinks it could happen this year.

Dublin and Kerry win over 50% of titles.


It is difficult to free football fans from the chains they revere.
I agree. There needs to be more done. For all the talk of split Championship being great, it actually widens the divide. Lower teams won't get better by only playing each other. gaps widen this way. I believe this started happening when we went the 4 division model in 2008, as it allows the better teams to stay up top, play each other all the time, and then pull the ladder up. it's very hard for teams to break into that and stay there. I think the old A and B model works best. Split Div1 and 2 over 1A and 1B, and same for next down. Promote 4 teams up and down and give actual opportunities for mixing each year. Rework Championship after provincials to include all, and then split it some way halfway through on results so top go to Sam, rest to Tailteann and run them off. We will never progress the game properly with this current model of top teams playing themselves only apart from the rare provincial match

The way the leagues are now is a brilliant system.

If we went back to the the 1A and 1B formats interest levels would greatly reduce. Sure why not just throw everyone into division 1 and call them 1A B C & D.

Derry have shown what can be done with the correct structures in place going from Division 4 to division 1. Louth something similar even Limerick spent a a year in division 2.

Unfortunately there will always be some predominately hurling counties languishing in division 4 but a lot of counties have spent a period in the top 2 divisions since the system has been brought in.
#11
Mayo v Dublin
Monaghan v Kerry
Roscommon v Galway
Derry v Tyrone

Armagh v Meath
Fermanagh v Kildare
Louth v Cork
Cavan v Donegal

Down v Limerick
Antrim v Offaly
Sligo v Wicklow
Westmeath v Clare

Carlow v Waterford
Wexford v Laois
Leitrim v London
Longford v Tipperary
#12
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
January 29, 2024, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 29, 2024, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 28, 2024, 11:31:33 PMCork need an outside man in to shake them up.

I know hurling is big there but it's a big enough county to be aiming for semi finals or better every year.

Imagine what McGuinness could do with them resources or a Malachy O'Rourke.

Obviously logistics mean they'll never get a northerner in and too proud to get an outsider

Just 1 game, I wouldn't be making any decisions about any team based on just the one game

This is the guts of 10 years I'm talking about not just one game.

They've made a few quarter finals in that period and it looks like John Cleary might finally be the right man for the job with Walsh in with him.

It seems to be very slow progress however.

In fairness travelling up to Donegal in them conditions is not easy but if it was the other way around and Donegal were travelling to Cork they'd be relishing that challenge and there's no way McGuinness would accept a performance like that.
#13
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
January 28, 2024, 11:31:33 PM
Cork need an outside man in to shake them up.

I know hurling is big there but it's a big enough county to be aiming for semi finals or better every year.

Imagine what McGuinness could do with them resources or a Malachy O'Rourke.

Obviously logistics mean they'll never get a northerner in and too proud to get an outsider
#14
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
January 28, 2024, 07:55:51 PM
It's amazing how different counties produce different player types.

For example Mayo produce unbelievable powerful runners but haven't produced a real classy forward since McDonald... Moran O'Connor O'Donoghue Conroy all decent but you wouldn't call them classy elegant footballers... Having said that there's not many in the country.

My home county Cavan have struggled to produce that type of player also.

1. Clifford
2. McGuigan
3. Shane Walsh very inconsistent though.
4. Dara Canavan starting to show signs
5. Rian O'Neill when on it
6. King Con
7. Seanie O'Shea
8. Conor Mcmanus



#15
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
January 28, 2024, 05:22:58 PM
Does Tyrone's win make it an unbeaten weekend for all 9 Ulster teams?.


Canavan class for Tyrone today.