This discussion started on the Irish Hockey thread but that's not the right place for it. Question is what colour flag and national anthem might be acceptable for all citizens of a United Ireland?
It should be red to signify the love for the new United Ireland and black to signify the dark days of the troubles.
I'd recommend trying to accommodate northern unionists who don't want to be accommodated in this new United Ireland first, before talking about a flag and anthem.
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 11:10:14 PM
I'd recommend trying to accommodate northern unionists who don't want to be accommodated in this new United Ireland first, before talking about a flag and anthem.
I agree. If we came up with a new flag and anthem now the unionists would just turn against it the same way they've turned against the tricolour and Amhran na bhFiann. We have to get them on board first. Redesigning the flag and rewriting the anthem strikes me as being a bit far down the list of things that need to happen to reunite the country.
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
+1
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
Ireland is supposedly represented on the Union Jack too. Are you okay with that?
they seem fine with irelands call even though its shite
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on August 07, 2018, 12:30:22 AM
they seem fine with irelands call even though its shite
MOre the case that it is not the Soldier's Song.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 07, 2018, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
Ireland is supposedly represented on the Union Jack too. Are you okay with that?
No, no I am not.
Such hypocrisy here.
"It's fine"
Yes. For you.
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
I agree. We've already had to give up the starry plough.
Quote from: gallsman on August 07, 2018, 08:22:30 AM
Such hypocrisy here.
"It's fine"
Yes. For you.
100% correct. In the event of a United Ireland there would have to be a new flag and anthem that everyone could stand behind. Also perhaps some new arrangement for instance like becoming a member of the Commonwealth under an arrangement like South Africa. No point uniting the country without uniting the people
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
+1
Won't happen in our lifetime, so any song or flag will do for this discussion
What about a flag that evenly represents both side of political spectrum.
We could have say something like green and orange with maybe white in between to represent peace and unity. Both nationalist north and south and unionists represented in unity. Sure only a bigot wouldn't be happy with that.
You're not wrong there. The times are a changing big time with Brexit, demographics etc creating potential for big changes. Recent history across the world has shown that when movements for change develop things can change very quickly. What's your view on flag/anthem etc as I always respect your opinions
Unite the people first, then worry about uniting the country. Flags, Anthems and emblems are way, way down the list. Lots of people, on both sides of the divide, have a lot of travelling to do in their minds before we get to a UI.
One thing for sure is that when the new All Ireland Entity comes about it will have a new flag and anthem.
Probably a green flag with that red X on it and the Anthem will be " Our Lovely Island/ Ár Oileán Álainn/ Oor bat o' groond in the watter"
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2018, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2018, 09:56:06 AM
Won't happen in our lifetime, so any song or flag will do for this discussion
I'm sure there has been plenty of political changes that you never thought you'd see 30 years ago.
Plenty changes, no bombings and shootings going on, but we've still walls up dividing communities, still sectarian thugs about a mindset of not giving an inch. No inclusion of peoples identities (no matter how shit they come accross) very little acceptance that there is two sides to this sorry state..
It sped up to a point and now its in the gutter.. needs a jump start again to get moving..
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2018, 09:22:05 AM
We could change the name of the country to something that makes them feel more at home.
West England?
West Britain?
I think we should adopt the gay pride flag and something by the scissor sisters for an anthem.
Some ancient air or derrière. For the anthem then I'd go with Danny Boy.
If there is to be a new Anthem it should be called the Irish Reconciliation Anthem
Then Amhrán na bhFiann could be called the Real Irish Reconciliation Anthem
And Irelands call could be the Continuity Irish Reconciliation Anthem
Given the links to 1916 and Republicanism etc, would Republicans be willing to give up the tricolour for an alternative flag?
Skull and cross bones
AC/DC - thunderstruck
All animosity towards each other should be directed towards opponents in sporting events - soccer, rugby etc
A green background with a massive tyre bonfire rampant and a Sainsburys should bring most Unionists into the fold. Maybe a rosary beds for completeness.
I think what we could do is come up with a flag that symbolises all the people on the island, including those from abroad. The Poles obviously would bring red and white, which would suit a lot of the Cork, Louth and Tyrone lads as well. Then for the likes of Monaghan, Dublin, Tipperary, etc, a nice Blue, royal blue or navy maybe. To give due regard to our religious past, perhaps these colours could be arranged in a series of crosses, maybe a couple of diagonally crossed, and a couple horizontal and vertically crossed.
Then, as regards the name of the country, we could look at our position in the geographical British Isles, and given our proximity to 'Great' Britain, we could logically call ourselves 'Little' Britain, or maybe Britain West.
I don't see how any Unionist could be offended then.
A new flag and anthem to unite, when flags and anthems do exactly the opposite.
The Irish for Wales translates to little Britain.
An Bhreatain Bheag.
So that name can be ruled out.
We could always get the UN to create a flag for us.
The anthem should be if you're happy and you know it clap your hands.
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 07, 2018, 07:33:42 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 07, 2018, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
Ireland is supposedly represented on the Union Jack too. Are you okay with that?
No, no I am not.
Why not? Why is it okay for the Irish flag to include everyone in its symbolism but not okay for the Union Jack to do the same?
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
+1
Quote from: laoislad on August 07, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on August 06, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
The flag already represents the two traditions.
End of.
Anthem is fine.
+1
I don't know why so many of you are +1ing this. Isn't it obvious? The tricolour's symbolism is fine in theory, but it's been draped over so many provo coffins and flown from so many Falls Rd lampposts that it's now damaged goods in the minds of unionists.
The union jack is supposed to be inclusive too with a St Patrick's cross supposedly representing Ireland, but that doesn't seem to endear many of us to the idea of Ireland as part of the UK, does it?
It takes more than flags to unite people. If only it were so easy.
Because we'll f**king tell them what represents them and they'll like it, that's why.
It's literally the same attitude as unionists failing to understand why I might not want to sport a poppy and then turning round and saying "but Irish lads served in WW1 too. It remembers all."
The Royal Standard has a harp on it. We should all be loyal to the queen so.