16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown/Clontibret) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland/Clonoe) v Antrim (St Galls)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh( )
Armagh (Maghery/Crossmaglen/St Pats/Clann Eireann) v Cavan ( )
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Clontibret/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenties/Kilcar/Malin/Glenswilly)
Can anyone fill in the blanks for me - What are peoples thoughts on the contenders this year? Where there be a new winner or will Cross be favourites?
Cavan is Castlerahan or Ramor.
Would expect Monaghan/Down winner to be there or there abouts, tough opening round draw but will serve the winner well. Kilcoo seem to be gaining traction with every game. Would Scotstown be favourites for Monaghan again?
Cross may get it tough against Cullyhanna in the Armagh semis, Cullyhanna being very consistent all year and wouldn't suffer from the deer in headlights effect that plagues club teams playing Cross. Both Maghery and Clan Eireann would pose a serious ask in the final also.
Quote from: WT4E on September 27, 2016, 10:39:03 AM
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown/Clontibret) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland/Clonoe) v Antrim (St Galls)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh(Derrygonnelly or Erne Gaels)
Armagh (Maghery/Crossmaglen/St Pats/Clann Eireann) v Cavan ( )
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Clontibret/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenties/Kilcar/Malin/Glenswilly)
Can anyone fill in the blanks for me - What are peoples thoughts on the contenders this year? Where there be a new winner or will Cross be favourites?
Getting a bit ahead of yourself there with st galls.
Cargin, St. John's & lamh dherg also left in the competition.
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown/Clontibret) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland/Clonoe) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin/St. John's/Lamh Dherg)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly or Erne Gaels)
Armagh (Maghery/Crossmaglen/St Pats/Clann Eireann) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Clontibret/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenties/Kilcar/Malin/Glenswilly)
Apologies to the Antrim lads - Wasn't intentional thought I read somewhere that St Galls had already won it!
Will it be the usual story with Tyrone - Kill other to win the county title having done so much slogging that they won't be fit for the Ulster Club?
Get the excuses in early typical Tyronie ;)
Cavan hard to call who'll win. Ramor going for first since 1992 and Castlerahan their first ever. However Castlerahan already being in two finals this decade and lost last years decider by a point. Ramor very young team.
Armagh has two tasty semi finals with a North v South final guaranteed. Maghery have been there or thereabouts for a number of years now, Clann Eireann haven't been til this stage in 7 years having just won intermediate last year. Both have two good managers and good panels, Maghery probably a wee bit more street wise and should probably edge it. Likewise the other semi Cross v Cullyhanna, expect Cullyhanna to give Cross their fill of it, have been in fine form all year and have the physicality to take a scalp!
Quote from: WT4E on September 27, 2016, 11:24:42 AM
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown/Clontibret) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland/Clonoe) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin/St. John's/Lamh Dherg)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly or Erne Gaels)
Armagh (Maghery/Crossmaglen/St Pats/Clann Eireann) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Clontibret/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenties/Kilcar/Malin/Glenswilly)
Apologies to the Antrim lads - Wasn't intentional thought I read somewhere that St Galls had already won it!
Will it be the usual story with Tyrone - Kill other to win the county title having done so much slogging that they won't be fit for the Ulster Club?
Yeah that's the reason why Tyrone teams don't perform in Ulster.
All the other Club Championships go easy on each other so that the winners have a better chance of winning Ulster.
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Quote from: WT4E on September 27, 2016, 11:24:42 AM
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown/Clontibret) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland/Clonoe) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin/St. John's/Lamh Dherg)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly or Erne Gaels)
Armagh (Maghery/Crossmaglen/St Pats/Clann Eireann) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Clontibret/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenties/Kilcar/Malin/Glenswilly)
Apologies to the Antrim lads - Wasn't intentional thought I read somewhere that St Galls had already won it!
Will it be the usual story with Tyrone - Kill other to win the county title having done so much slogging that they won't be fit for the Ulster Club?
Yeah that's the reason why Tyrone teams don't perform in Ulster.
All the other Club Championships go easy on each other so that the winners have a better chance of winning Ulster.
Thats not what i'm saying - just always thought (maybe in the past) say Crossmaglen and ST Galls coasting to their county titles set them up nicely for the Ulster Club. Not saying these two arent quality sides btw.
As Tyron have been one of the strongest teams in the country for the past decade or more you would have thought they would have made a better impression on the Ulster Club. Granted for example a county like Derry is usually very competitive but you don't expect much from them in Ulster Club considering how low their county scene has been the last two decades. Fair play to them for be able to succeed in Ulster Club all the same.
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16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown/Clontibret) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland/Clonoe) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin/St. John's/Lamh Dherg)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly or Erne Gaels)
Armagh (Maghery/Crossmaglen/St Pats/Clann Eireann) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Clontibret/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenties/Kilcar/Malin/Glenswilly)
Apologies to the Antrim lads - Wasn't intentional thought I read somewhere that St Galls had already won it!
Will it be the usual story with Tyrone - Kill other to win the county title having done so much slogging that they won't be fit for the Ulster Club?
Yeah that's the reason why Tyrone teams don't perform in Ulster.
All the other Club Championships go easy on each other so that the winners have a better chance of winning Ulster.
Thats not what i'm saying - just always thought (maybe in the past) say Crossmaglen and ST Galls coasting to their county titles set them up nicely for the Ulster Club. Not saying these two arent quality sides btw.
As Tyron have been one of the strongest teams in the country for the past decade or more you would have thought they would have made a better impression on the Ulster Club. Granted for example a county like Derry is usually very competitive but you don't expect much from them in Ulster Club considering how low their county scene has been the last two decades. Fair play to them for be able to succeed in Ulster Club all the same.
Cavan Gaels used to always cruise to Cavan title and done nothing in Ulster. People said it was because they had little competition in Cavan.
Unlucky one year though, year Galls won All Ireland. Should have bet Galls but had three players sent of.
Hard to look beyond Derrygonnelly again in Fermanagh I'm told.
Cullyhanna will be drunk out after winning the county so whoever they play will get a free pass.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2016, 08:53:56 PM
Hard to look beyond Derrygonnelly again in Fermanagh I'm told.
I would not believe that. Erne Gaels have beat then twice this year in the league. Derrygonnelly would be favourites but Erne Gaels have to be respected
Crossmaglen beat by Cullyhanna. 1.15 to 0.17.
Maghery v cullyhanna final
Quote from: ardchieftain on October 02, 2016, 08:37:39 PM
Crossmaglen beat by Cullyhanna. 1.15 to 0.17.
Maghery v cullyhanna final
No way. Didn't see that coming.
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Crossmaglen beat by Cullyhanna. 1.15 to 0.17.
Maghery v cullyhanna final
No way. Didn't see that coming.
Good news for McGeeny?
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Crossmaglen beat by Cullyhanna. 1.15 to 0.17.
Maghery v cullyhanna final
No way. Didn't see that coming.
A lot of people in armag did this year
Cullyhanna were playing well won the league and have won 3xunder 21s in a row
This was always their best chance
Scotstown beat Clontibret today 2-13 to 1-12. The key moment was midway through the second half when they scored 2 goals inside a minute, the first of which was very soft. But to be honest Scotstown were the better team and deserved the win, so we can't have many complaints. They just had much more of a threat going forward, while we as usual were completely reliant on McManus. He was excellent, finished on 11 pts with some beautys from play and placed ball. But he was fighting a lone battle up front, apart from the odd half chance from somebody else it was all McManus going forward for us.
Scotstown weren't the most impressive I've seen them, but they'll probably give Ulster a good lash again.
With Cross gone, Scotstown must fancy their chances of winning Ulster this year.
Can anyone confirm who is managing maghery and cullyhanna?
Donegal final will be Kilcar v Glenswilly on the 16th.
Kilcar (managed by Martin McHugh this year) hammered Glenties 5-10 to 1-11. Glenswilly beat Malin 0-9 to 0-7.
Quote from: regal on October 03, 2016, 12:00:22 AM
Can anyone confirm who is managing maghery and cullyhanna?
Cullyhanna is Mick O"Dowd according to match programme tonight. Maghery is Shane McConville
Kilcoo will be odds on to win
Quote from: naka on October 02, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
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Quote from: ardchieftain on October 02, 2016, 08:37:39 PM
Crossmaglen beat by Cullyhanna. 1.15 to 0.17.
Maghery v cullyhanna final
No way. Didn't see that coming.
A lot of people in armag did this year
Cullyhanna were playing well won the league and have won 3xunder 21s in a row
This was always their best chance
What county boys do they have? Maybe they could challenge ulster too. Pearse og could have win it the last time cross were beat.
Cullyhanna have nothing won yet people. History full of giant kills in semi finals then falling at the final hurdle so they gave to regroup
Donegal champions will be hard to beat this year, or a surprise package from Tyrone, the likes of St Galls, Kilcoo etc are more name then substance.
UPDATED LIST:
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin/Lamh Dherg)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery/St Pats) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Kilcar/Glenswilly)
Quote from: Schkite on October 02, 2016, 10:33:30 PM
Scotstown beat Clontibret today 2-13 to 1-12. The key moment was midway through the second half when they scored 2 goals inside a minute, the first of which was very soft. But to be honest Scotstown were the better team and deserved the win, so we can't have many complaints. They just had much more of a threat going forward, while we as usual were completely reliant on McManus. He was excellent, finished on 11 pts with some beautys from play and placed ball. But he was fighting a lone battle up front, apart from the odd half chance from somebody else it was all McManus going forward for us.
Scotstown weren't the most impressive I've seen them, but they'll probably give Ulster a good lash again.
watched this yesterday. Thought Scotstown were impressive enough and they are still missing McCarthy. They'll be a threat particularly if they get him back. Mcmanus is some player - as you say he was pretty much on his own yesterday but he still kicked some lovely points
Quote from: WT4E on October 03, 2016, 01:43:39 PM
UPDATED LIST:
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin/Lamh Dherg)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery/St Pats) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Kilcar/Glenswilly)
Does anyone know what the semi final draw pathway is or is it open draw ? Cheers
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on October 03, 2016, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 03, 2016, 01:43:39 PM
UPDATED LIST:
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin/Lamh Dherg)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery/St Pats) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Kilcar/Glenswilly)
Does anyone know what the semi final draw pathway is or is it open draw ? Cheers
The top 2 pairings play each other in the semi, and likewise for bottom 2
UPDATED LIST:
16/10/2016
Monaghan (Scotstown) v Down (Kilcoo)
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher/Coalisland) v Antrim (St Galls/Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil/Loup) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery/St Pats) v Cavan (Castlerahan/Ramor)
Monaghan/Down (Scotstown/Kilcoo) v Donegal (Kilcar/Glenswilly)
So St Galls knock out Lamh Derg but it took a big effort.
Whose up for decision this weekend?
Quote from: straightred on October 03, 2016, 01:44:42 PM
watched this yesterday. Thought Scotstown were impressive enough and they are still missing McCarthy. They'll be a threat particularly if they get him back. ..
Will McCarthy be back for the Kilcoo game?
Cavan final finished a draw. Ramor were six points up with minutes remaining. Castlerahan scored 1 3 without reply. Could have won it an end with shot dropped short but would have being robbery. If you can try and find a video of Sean Bradys goal. As good as you'll ever see.
With Tyrone & Cavan finishing both as draws I take it all county finals are to be completed next weekend?
And with the Ulster Preliminary Round also down for decision theres a mouthwatering amount of football coming up!
UPDATED LIST:
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
I'd make Kilcoo favourites this year.
Would like to see Killyclogher give it a rattle but would they even be favourites to beat Cargin?
Quote from: WT4E on October 16, 2016, 10:17:59 PM
UPDATED LIST:
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
I'd make Kilcoo favourites this year.
Would like to see Killyclogher give it a rattle but would they even be favourites to beat Cargin?
Slaughtneil will be on a roll from the Hurling. How much of a crossover do they have between the 2 teams this year?
Thinks it's 9 starters on both teams
Quote from: LeoMc on October 25, 2016, 02:47:21 PM
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UPDATED LIST:
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
I'd make Kilcoo favourites this year.
Would like to see Killyclogher give it a rattle but would they even be favourites to beat Cargin?
Slaughtneil will be on a roll from the Hurling. How much of a crossover do they have between the 2 teams this year?
Cargin
Derrygonnelly
Maghery
Kilcoo
Tyrone (Killyclogher) 1/2 v Antrim (Cargin) 2/1 draw 7/1
Derry (Slaughtneil) 1/20 v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly) 15/2 draw 18/1
Armagh (Maghery) 1/4 v Cavan (Ramor) 7/2 draw 9/1
Down (Kilcoo) 2/5 v Donegal (Glenswilly) 12/5 draw 15/2
cargin arent a bad bet at those odds.
i'll go for cargin, slaughtneil, maghery and kilcoo
9/2 that quad. Looks tempting.
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
Big price for Glenswilly.
Any handicap odds on these fixtures ?
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UPDATED LIST:
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
I'd make Kilcoo favourites this year.
Would like to see Killyclogher give it a rattle but would they even be favourites to beat Cargin?
Slaughtneil will be on a roll from the Hurling. How much of a crossover do they have between the 2 teams this year?
Cargin
Derrygonnelly
Maghery
Kilcoo
LOL Slaughtneil will hammer Derrygonnelly! Kilcoo are the only side that can possibly trouble Slaughtneil.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 28, 2016, 03:33:35 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 25, 2016, 06:19:27 PM
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UPDATED LIST:
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
I'd make Kilcoo favourites this year.
Would like to see Killyclogher give it a rattle but would they even be favourites to beat Cargin?
Slaughtneil will be on a roll from the Hurling. How much of a crossover do they have between the 2 teams this year?
Cargin
Derrygonnelly
Maghery
Kilcoo
LOL Slaughtneil will hammer Derrygonnelly! Kilcoo are the only side that can possibly trouble Slaughtneil.
I'd say Killyclogher or Cargin would be well fit to trouble them.
Quote from: tintin25 on October 28, 2016, 04:26:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 28, 2016, 03:33:35 PM
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UPDATED LIST:
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
I'd make Kilcoo favourites this year.
Would like to see Killyclogher give it a rattle but would they even be favourites to beat Cargin?
Slaughtneil will be on a roll from the Hurling. How much of a crossover do they have between the 2 teams this year?
Cargin
Derrygonnelly
Maghery
Kilcoo
LOL Slaughtneil will hammer Derrygonnelly! Kilcoo are the only side that can possibly trouble Slaughtneil.
I'd say Killyclogher or Cargin would be well fit to trouble them.
The kindest response I can offer is we'll agree to disagree!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 28, 2016, 04:27:41 PM
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UPDATED LIST:
30/10/2016
Tyrone (Killyclogher) v Antrim (Cargin)
Derry (Slaughtneil) v Fermanagh (Derrygonnelly)
Armagh (Maghery) v Cavan (Ramor)
Down (Kilcoo) v Donegal (Glenswilly)
I'd make Kilcoo favourites this year.
Would like to see Killyclogher give it a rattle but would they even be favourites to beat Cargin?
Slaughtneil will be on a roll from the Hurling. How much of a crossover do they have between the 2 teams this year?
Cargin
Derrygonnelly
Maghery
Kilcoo
LOL Slaughtneil will hammer Derrygonnelly! Kilcoo are the only side that can possibly trouble Slaughtneil.
I'd say Killyclogher or Cargin would be well fit to trouble them.
The kindest response I can offer is we'll agree to disagree!
We'll leave it at that! lol
Can't comment on Killy logger, but Cargin will be able to compete with either Slaughneil or Kilcoo, experience is the one the that both Kilcoo and the nailers have over them.
Twelve Ulster club cship matches on today land yet the Ulster council will only play one county provincial match each week in the summer. Another example of the stupidity of the fixture planners and administrators.
any updates on the games?
Tyrone 2-2 Antrim 0-5
Maghery 1-2 Ramor 1-5
SN v DG 6 each
good man. keep them coming
KC v GS 0-5 0-3
MY 1-4 RU 1-5
KC 0-6 GS 1-4 HT
SN 0-8 DG 0-6
KR 2-8 CN 0-8
MY 1-6 RU 1-6
Maghery 1 up
1-8 each, 5 left
MY 1-11 RU 1-9
SN 9-6 up
Maghery 3 up, 59m
Maghery 1-13
Ramor United 1-10 FT
Lough Neagh > Lough Ramor.
Kilcoo bt Glenswilly 1.12 to 1.6
Kilcoo v maghery and slaughtneil v killyclogher in semi finals.
Speedy recovery to darragh o Hanlon who was stretchered off at the end of the kilcoo match after being on the end of a dreadful tackle from a glenswilly player which led to him being sent off. A full frontal shoulder charge long after the ball had gone, a real cowards tackle.
Well done maghery
Kilcoo were very impressive, the team as a whole were a lot fitter than Glenswilly, O'Hanlon, Johnson and Laverty were excellent throughout and the defence were excellent only conceding a point in the second half.
I thought Glenswilly played into kilcoo's hands with their short kick out strategy. I watched it on tg4, its a great service.
When is this years all Ireland final?
Maghery Kilcoo @ AG/Newry?
Slaughtneil Killyclogher @ Omagh/Owenbeg?
Quote from: ardtole on October 30, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
Kilcoo were very impressive, the team as a whole were a lot fitter than Glenswilly, O'Hanlon, Johnson and Laverty were excellent throughout and the defence were excellent only conceding a point in the second half.
I thought Glenswilly played into kilcoo's hands with their short kick out strategy. I watched it on tg4, its a great service.
Agree, great service and kilcoo were very good. The red card for Glenswilly was surely an incorrect decision though, a yellow would have been sufficient. Kilcoo were the better team though.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 30, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Maghery Kilcoo @ AG/Newry?
Play it in Cross, equally unpleasant for both teams.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 30, 2016, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 30, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Maghery Kilcoo @ AG/Newry?
Play it in CrossArmagh, equally unpleasant for both teamsanyone.
Fixed that for ye :P
Quote from: ardtole on October 30, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
Kilcoo were very impressive, the team as a whole were a lot fitter than Glenswilly, O'Hanlon, Johnson and Laverty were excellent throughout and the defence were excellent only conceding a point in the second half.
I thought Glenswilly played into kilcoo's hands with their short kick out strategy. I watched it on tg4, its a great service.
Wouldn't say that at all. It was a dogged performance from Kilcoo rather than any great football. The turning point was a spurned goal chance from the Glenswilly midfielder early in the he second half that would have put them 5 points up. Once they conceded the penalty and went down to 14 men there was only going to be one winner given Kilcoo's defensive gameplan. Laverty was a disgrace yet again with his exaggerated diving.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 31, 2016, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: ardtole on October 30, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
Kilcoo were very impressive, the team as a whole were a lot fitter than Glenswilly, O'Hanlon, Johnson and Laverty were excellent throughout and the defence were excellent only conceding a point in the second half.
I thought Glenswilly played into kilcoo's hands with their short kick out strategy. I watched it on tg4, its a great service.
Wouldn't say that at all. It was a dogged performance from Kilcoo rather than any great football. The turning point was a spurned goal chance from the Glenswilly midfielder early in the he second half that would have put them 5 points up. Once they conceded the penalty and went down to 14 men there was only going to be one winner given Kilcoo's defensive gameplan. Laverty was a disgrace yet again with his exaggerated diving.
Conor Laverty is far from a disgrace. Classy player that would be well needed within the county set up.
If it's disgraceful you would like to talk about, however, the late tackle on O'Hanlon at the end of the game was not only disgraceful but one of the most cowardly acts I've seen on a football field.
Glenswilly lost their discipline with 15 mins to go, most of their players had run out of steam, and the fact they went the last 25+ minutes without a single score tells you all you need to know.
I thought this was a game Kilcoo might have struggled with but it was an impressive performance and Murphy was the only threat to the kilcoo defence. You would have to strongly fancy kilcoo to beat Maghery.
Kilcoo will be short priced favourites to reach the final. The Slaughtneil and Killyclogher game should be a cracker and whoever gets through the final should also be very good.
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Kilcoo were very impressive, the team as a whole were a lot fitter than Glenswilly, O'Hanlon, Johnson and Laverty were excellent throughout and the defence were excellent only conceding a point in the second half.
I thought Glenswilly played into kilcoo's hands with their short kick out strategy. I watched it on tg4, its a great service.
Wouldn't say that at all. It was a dogged performance from Kilcoo rather than any great football. The turning point was a spurned goal chance from the Glenswilly midfielder early in the he second half that would have put them 5 points up. Once they conceded the penalty and went down to 14 men there was only going to be one winner given Kilcoo's defensive gameplan. Laverty was a disgrace yet again with his exaggerated diving.
Conor Laverty is far from a disgrace. Classy player that would be well needed within the county set up.
If it's disgraceful you would like to talk about, however, the late tackle on O'Hanlon at the end of the game was not only disgraceful but one of the most cowardly acts I've seen on a football field.
Come on lad, even Down men admit as soon as he is touched he throws himself down, that's been his game for years. still a very handy player
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Kilcoo were very impressive, the team as a whole were a lot fitter than Glenswilly, O'Hanlon, Johnson and Laverty were excellent throughout and the defence were excellent only conceding a point in the second half.
I thought Glenswilly played into kilcoo's hands with their short kick out strategy. I watched it on tg4, its a great service.
Wouldn't say that at all. It was a dogged performance from Kilcoo rather than any great football. The turning point was a spurned goal chance from the Glenswilly midfielder early in the he second half that would have put them 5 points up. Once they conceded the penalty and went down to 14 men there was only going to be one winner given Kilcoo's defensive gameplan. Laverty was a disgrace yet again with his exaggerated diving.
Conor Laverty is far from a disgrace. Classy player that would be well needed within the county set up.
If it's disgraceful you would like to talk about, however, the late tackle on O'Hanlon at the end of the game was not only disgraceful but one of the most cowardly acts I've seen on a football field.
They aren't mutually exclusive. Laverty is a good player and I'm not denying that, but he does the dying swan act too often for my liking by totally exaggerating minimal contact. Yesterday was not an isolated incident, but just another example. He is an expert winner of soft free kicks and has it down to a fine art.
Mick Murphy throwing his fists around yesterday and exempt from yellow cards. The no 12 well deserved to be sent off. He threw a elbow at another Kilcoo defender 5 minutes before O'Hanlon incident
Winning frees is part of the game but the suggestion that there was `minimal contact' in the penalty incident yesterday is nonsense. Laverty went past the Glenswilly player in the square and was almost certain to score a goal. He was plainly caught in a head high tackle, whether Gallagher intended to do so or not, and it was a text book red card. It was certainly the turning point in the game, but the rules are the rules.
The Slaughtneil club are some boys. And girls.
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Kilcoo were very impressive, the team as a whole were a lot fitter than Glenswilly, O'Hanlon, Johnson and Laverty were excellent throughout and the defence were excellent only conceding a point in the second half.
I thought Glenswilly played into kilcoo's hands with their short kick out strategy. I watched it on tg4, its a great service.
Wouldn't say that at all. It was a dogged performance from Kilcoo rather than any great football. The turning point was a spurned goal chance from the Glenswilly midfielder early in the he second half that would have put them 5 points up. Once they conceded the penalty and went down to 14 men there was only going to be one winner given Kilcoo's defensive gameplan. Laverty was a disgrace yet again with his exaggerated diving.
Conor Laverty is far from a disgrace. Classy player that would be well needed within the county set up.
If it's disgraceful you would like to talk about, however, the late tackle on O'Hanlon at the end of the game was not only disgraceful but one of the most cowardly acts I've seen on a football field.
They aren't mutually exclusive. Laverty is a good player and I'm not denying that, but he does the dying swan act too often for my liking by totally exaggerating minimal contact. Yesterday was not an isolated incident, but just another example. He is an expert winner of soft free kicks and has it down to a fine art.
For the red card I don't think the glenswilly guy moved his arm. He stuck it out and that was that.
(Though he did punch him in the mouth 5 minutes previous so it was hard to feel sympathy on his red).
Good reaction to defeat from Glenswilly manager no whinging credit to him.
Can't recall any dives from Laverty yesterday, I do remember him getting a closed fist to the face though.
Anyone have any links for highlights of the games this weekend?
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Anyone have any links for highlights of the games this weekend?
On TG4 tonight. Doubt you get much of the highlights of these online.
Maghery Kilcoo, Pairc Esler, Sun 13 Nov
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Maghery Kilcoo, Pairc Esler, Sun 13 Nov
Should be good. Two very similar teams. Kilcoo will be favs due to experience alone but Maghery could yet produce a shock
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Anyone have any links for highlights of the games this weekend?
On TG4 tonight. Doubt you get much of the highlights of these online.
Perfect cheers!
http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=5191238520001 (http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=5191238520001)
14:30 Slaughtneil 4/6 v Killyclogher 13/8 draw 13/2
14:30 Kilcoo 4/11 v Maghery 11/4 draw 15/2
what we thinking this week? cant see past a kilcoo v slaughtneil final myself.
outright betting;
Slaughtneil 6/4
Kilcoo 7/4
Maghery 4/1
Killyclogher 5/1
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14:30 Slaughtneil 4/6 v Killyclogher 13/8 draw 13/2
14:30 Kilcoo 4/11 v Maghery 11/4 draw 15/2
what we thinking this week? cant see past a kilcoo v slaughtneil final myself.
outright betting;
Slaughtneil 6/4
Kilcoo 7/4
Maghery 4/1
Killyclogher 5/1
Hopefully maghery spring a surprise
Kilcoo now 1/4 with pp. Not much value in that.
Quote from: ardtole on November 08, 2016, 06:50:58 AM
Kilcoo now 1/4 with pp. Not much value in that.
they werent too impressive in the first half against Glenswilly, got tactics right in second half though..Kilcoo though have been here before and have that experience to draw on, be tough for Maghery but if they can summon up the effort they had to win the Armagh championship then they could pull off a big big shock
Killyclougher have a chance, they're decent and if they were to win it wouldn't be a major shock but i still fancy Slaughtneil to win by a couple of pts. Kilcoo should beat Maghery to set up an Ulster final with the current 2 best teams, the only chance i see Maghery having if their midfield win everything but the i reckon Kilcoo will keep the ball away from their big fielders
Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Wouldn't be so sure. I fancy Maghery at 4/1. If they can stem the influence of Laverty they have every chance.
14:30 Slaughtneil v Killyclogher - Slaughtneil by 3
14:30 Kilcoo v Maghery - Kilkoo by 5
Killyclogher have every chance, big ask for Maghery.
Another slow start for Maghery and the match could be over by half time. They need to play for 60 minutes. If they do, they mightn't be far away. Would be great for Armagh football if they could reach the final at least.
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
I think you could be wrong about the few tackles bit, Killyclogher lads got punched,kicked,elbowed and many other things in the county final and jumped right back up! I fancy Slaughtneil myself but Killyclogher could give it a good effort! Mark Bradley has been unmarkable to date in the championship.
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
Killyclogher have come through a traditionally tough Tyrone SFC so I'd say they will be well fit for any physicality that Slaughtneil will throw at them.
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Quote from: DownFanatic on November 08, 2016, 01:02:53 PM
Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
Killyclogher have come through a traditionally tough Tyrone SFC so I'd say they will be well fit for any physicality that Slaughtneil will throw at them.
Like i said earlier they have a tough championship so why do they falter in the club series ?
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
Killyclogher have come through a traditionally tough Tyrone SFC so I'd say they will be well fit for any physicality that Slaughtneil will throw at them.
Like i said earlier they have a tough championship so why do they falter in the club series ?
Quite possibly absolutely f**ked from a physically and mental demanding county championship? :)
Little left in the tank.
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
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Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
Killyclogher have come through a traditionally tough Tyrone SFC so I'd say they will be well fit for any physicality that Slaughtneil will throw at them.
Like i said earlier they have a tough championship so why do they falter in the club series ?
Quite possibly absolutely f**ked from a physically and mental demanding county championship? :)
Little left in the tank.
I wouldn't be surprised if Killyclogher give Slaughtneil real bother. That replay against Coalisland will have really brought them on, I'd say, as opposed to leaving them drained, physically or mentally. Slaughtneil's dual players could be finding it tough after their exertions in the hurling.
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
Killyclogher have come through a traditionally tough Tyrone SFC so I'd say they will be well fit for any physicality that Slaughtneil will throw at them.
Like i said earlier they have a tough championship so why do they falter in the club series ?
Do they really?
Cross have dominated Ulster club over the past 15 years or so.
Galls have picked up a couple of titles in that time.
Errigal Ciaran have picked up a title and a three Derry clubs have won singular titles in that time.
I think what benefits a team is having a comfortable county title which doesn't need too much exertion and allows them to peak for Ulster and also having experience at provincial level. You see the likes of Kilcoo who have about 5 on the trot now? Possibly more? Slaughtneil have their third Derry title on the trot? Scotstown have three of the last four in Monaghan. Having the experience of provincial championship and knowing what to expect is a big advantage.
In terms of Tyrone club performances in recent years, they haven't been far off. Trillick were edged out by Scotstown by a couple of points last year, Omagh were beaten in the final by a point the year before against Salughtneil, Clonoe the year before that went down by 4 to eventual Ulster champions Ballinderry. Errigal going down to eventual All Ireland Champions Cross by 6 points in 2012 and Dromore losing to Ballinderry by 2 in 2011 etc.
It's not as if they are turning up and getting the floor wiped with them or anything. They are generally very competitive but have been a little bit short in what it takes get over the line. Would the likes of Cross, Scotstown, Kilcoo or Slaughtneil be putting back to back titles together with such ease in Tyrone? I very much doubt it. The last 7 Tyrone Championships have been won by 7 different sides - would you find that anywhere else in the country?
I think Killyclogher have a great chance against Slaughtneil and it should be a very close game. Slaughtneil quite rightly go in as favourites as they are a proven side who has been here and done it over the past few years.
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
Killyclogher have come through a traditionally tough Tyrone SFC so I'd say they will be well fit for any physicality that Slaughtneil will throw at them.
Like i said earlier they have a tough championship so why do they falter in the club series ?
Quite possibly absolutely f**ked from a physically and mental demanding county championship? :)
Little left in the tank.
I wouldn't be surprised if Killyclogher give Slaughtneil real bother. That replay against Coalisland will have really brought them on, I'd say, as opposed to leaving them drained, physically or mentally. Slaughtneil's dual players could be finding it tough after their exertions in the hurling.
Slaughtneils hurling matches will have really brought them on while Killyclogher may find it tough after the exertions of a replay against Coalisland ;)
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Once the Slaughtneil lads put in a few tackles the buoyant Killclogher lads will be less buoyant, Derry club teams have done really well in this competition over the years as they come through a tough championship, as do Tyrone, but why they don't do well is certainly a strange one..
Killyclogher have come through a traditionally tough Tyrone SFC so I'd say they will be well fit for any physicality that Slaughtneil will throw at them.
Like i said earlier they have a tough championship so why do they falter in the club series ?
Do they really?
Cross have dominated Ulster club over the past 15 years or so.
Galls have picked up a couple of titles in that time.
Errigal Ciaran have picked up a title and a three Derry clubs have won singular titles in that time.
I think what benefits a team is having a comfortable county title which doesn't need too much exertion and allows them to peak for Ulster and also having experience at provincial level. You see the likes of Kilcoo who have about 5 on the trot now? Possibly more? Slaughtneil have their third Derry title on the trot? Scotstown have three of the last four in Monaghan. Having the experience of provincial championship and knowing what to expect is a big advantage.
In terms of Tyrone club performances in recent years, they haven't been far off. Trillick were edged out by Scotstown by a couple of points last year, Omagh were beaten in the final by a point the year before against Salughtneil, Clonoe the year before that went down by 4 to eventual Ulster champions Ballinderry. Errigal going down to eventual All Ireland Champions Cross by 6 points in 2012 and Dromore losing to Ballinderry by 2 in 2011 etc.
It's not as if they are turning up and getting the floor wiped with them or anything. They are generally very competitive but have been a little bit short in what it takes get over the line. Would the likes of Cross, Scotstown, Kilcoo or Slaughtneil be putting back to back titles together with such ease in Tyrone? I very much doubt it. The last 7 Tyrone Championships have been won by 7 different sides - would you find that anywhere else in the country?
I think Killyclogher have a great chance against Slaughtneil and it should be a very close game. Slaughtneil quite rightly go in as favourites as they are a proven side who has been here and done it over the past few years.
In 2004 Slaughtneil won their first county title and were beaten by Cross' in the Ulster Club series after a replay. They got to a couple of county finals between then and winning their 2nd county title in 2014. They went on to win Ulster and get to the All-Ireland final. They had no big advantage and very few players with the experience of the Ulster Club series.
Loup (2003) won their first title in 70 odd years and won Ulster.
Dungiven (1997) won a stand alone title and went on to win Ulster.
Kilcoo won their first county title in years in 2009. And have gone on to win the last 5 Down titles. So they have a big group of players with Ulster Club experience and yet only appeared one Ulster final.
Mayobridge won 8 county titles in 10years and appeared in two Ulster Finals, winning none.
Cavan Gaels won 9 county titles in 14years and appeared in zero Ulster finals.
Enniskillen Gaels won 6 county titles in a row and appeared in two Ulster finals winning none.
So the idea that experience and winning a series of county titles is necessary to compete and win the Ulster Club competition is not true. There is no reason why Tyrone clubs have failed at this level. Two titles since 1968 - both won by Errigal Ciaran. Only two other clubs getting to the final. That's a seriously poor return.
Killyclogher have the players that can change that statistic on Sunday. There is no reason why it can't be done.
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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Quote from: DownFanatic on November 08, 2016, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
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Quote from: DownFanatic on November 08, 2016, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
See articles in the papers this week about how much Killyclogher know about Sneil.
In Derry, we know far more about them and we still couldn't stop them.
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Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Dont forget though that Trillick may have only came up from Intermediate but they also have 4 players on the Tyrone senior panel and at least 1 player on the county u21 panel.
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
I'm not in denial at the weak state of Armagh football though. We have at most, four clubs who could challenge in Ulster. The way Tyronies get on all 16 of their senior clubs are a match for each other and after bruising encounters with the likes of Augher and Strabane their senior representatives are too exhausted to make a proper assault on Ulster
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
I'm not in denial at the weak state of Armagh football though. We have at most, four clubs who could challenge in Ulster. The way Tyronies get on all 16 of their senior clubs are a match for each other and after bruising encounters with the likes of Augher and Strabane their senior representatives are too exhausted to make a proper assault on Ulster
No definitley not all 16 - but any of the top 9 teams could win it and all 9 would have a chance of winning any county title in ulster.
And therein lies the delusion
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
I'm not in denial at the weak state of Armagh football though. We have at most, four clubs who could challenge in Ulster. The way Tyronies get on all 16 of their senior clubs are a match for each other and after bruising encounters with the likes of Augher and Strabane their senior representatives are too exhausted to make a proper assault on Ulster
No definitley not all 16 - but any of the top 9 teams could win it and all 9 would have a chance of winning any county title in ulster.
9!!! Wise up.
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
I'm not in denial at the weak state of Armagh football though. We have at most, four clubs who could challenge in Ulster. The way Tyronies get on all 16 of their senior clubs are a match for each other and after bruising encounters with the likes of Augher and Strabane their senior representatives are too exhausted to make a proper assault on Ulster
No definitley not all 16 - but any of the top 9 teams could win it and all 9 would have a chance of winning any county title in ulster.
I'd agree.
So kildress who got to the last 8 in Tyrone (and are therefore in the top 9 teams in the county) would be contenders in the other 8 counties ???
Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
So kildress who got to the last 8 in Tyrone (and are therefore in the top 9 teams in the county) would be contenders in the other 8 counties ???
Surely you would judge the top teams in a county on their league form?
Name these 9 teams you headers!!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Name these 9 teams you headers!!!
It's not hard to find the top 9 league team's in Tyrone from the Tyrone GAA website (Killyclogher Vs Carrickmore still outstanding). So the 9th team is Carrickmore or Trillick based on this year's league form.
1 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait 15 12 2 1 292 156 25
2 Omagh St Enda's 15 11 2 2 265 187 24
3 Coalisland Fianna GFC 15 11 2 2 256 184 24
4 Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 14 11 2 1 233 155 23
5 Errigal Ciaran 15 9 5 1 244 199 19
6 Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 15 8 4 3 238 197 19
7 Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 15 8 4 3 234 205 19
8 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin 15 6 8 1 210 222 13
9 Carrickmore St Colmcille's 14 6 7 1 242 206 13
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Name these 9 teams you headers!!!
It's not hard to find the top 9 league team's in Tyrone from the Tyrone GAA website (Killyclogher Vs Carrickmore still outstanding). So the 9th team is Carrickmore or Trillick based on this year's league form.
1 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait 15 12 2 1 292 156 25
2 Omagh St Enda's 15 11 2 2 265 187 24
3 Coalisland Fianna GFC 15 11 2 2 256 184 24
4 Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 14 11 2 1 233 155 23
5 Errigal Ciaran 15 9 5 1 244 199 19
6 Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 15 8 4 3 238 197 19
7 Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 15 8 4 3 234 205 19
8 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin 15 6 8 1 210 222 13
9 Carrickmore St Colmcille's 14 6 7 1 242 206 13
Any of these 9 teams could beat eachother on any day, would also give any team a tough game within ulster.
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Quote from: redhandroar on November 10, 2016, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Name these 9 teams you headers!!!
It's not hard to find the top 9 league team's in Tyrone from the Tyrone GAA website (Killyclogher Vs Carrickmore still outstanding). So the 9th team is Carrickmore or Trillick based on this year's league form.
1 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait 15 12 2 1 292 156 25
2 Omagh St Enda's 15 11 2 2 265 187 24
3 Coalisland Fianna GFC 15 11 2 2 256 184 24
4 Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 14 11 2 1 233 155 23
5 Errigal Ciaran 15 9 5 1 244 199 19
6 Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 15 8 4 3 238 197 19
7 Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 15 8 4 3 234 205 19
8 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin 15 6 8 1 210 222 13
9 Carrickmore St Colmcille's 14 6 7 1 242 206 13
Any of these 9 teams could beat eachother on any day, would also give any team a tough game within ulster.
I agree - it would be hard not to, particularly when you consider that last year's champions did so and are now 8th (or 9th depending on how they are being ranked).
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Quote from: redhandroar on November 10, 2016, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Name these 9 teams you headers!!!
It's not hard to find the top 9 league team's in Tyrone from the Tyrone GAA website (Killyclogher Vs Carrickmore still outstanding). So the 9th team is Carrickmore or Trillick based on this year's league form.
1 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait 15 12 2 1 292 156 25
2 Omagh St Enda's 15 11 2 2 265 187 24
3 Coalisland Fianna GFC 15 11 2 2 256 184 24
4 Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 14 11 2 1 233 155 23
5 Errigal Ciaran 15 9 5 1 244 199 19
6 Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 15 8 4 3 238 197 19
7 Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 15 8 4 3 234 205 19
8 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin 15 6 8 1 210 222 13
9 Carrickmore St Colmcille's 14 6 7 1 242 206 13
Any of these 9 teams could beat eachother on any day, would also give any team a tough game within ulster.
I agree - it would be hard not to, particularly when you consider that last year's champions did so and are now 8th (or 9th depending on how they are being ranked).
Pissed myself laughing at that, Arbboe, Errigal, Carrickmore currently not in the ball park. Trillick this season not in to ball park either. They could well be next year. That leaves Killyclogher, Omagh, Clonoe, Coalisland and Dromore, five teams lads who this season were the only serious teams in the championship.
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Quote from: redhandroar on November 10, 2016, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Name these 9 teams you headers!!!
It's not hard to find the top 9 league team's in Tyrone from the Tyrone GAA website (Killyclogher Vs Carrickmore still outstanding). So the 9th team is Carrickmore or Trillick based on this year's league form.
1 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait 15 12 2 1 292 156 25
2 Omagh St Enda's 15 11 2 2 265 187 24
3 Coalisland Fianna GFC 15 11 2 2 256 184 24
4 Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 14 11 2 1 233 155 23
5 Errigal Ciaran 15 9 5 1 244 199 19
6 Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 15 8 4 3 238 197 19
7 Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 15 8 4 3 234 205 19
8 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin 15 6 8 1 210 222 13
9 Carrickmore St Colmcille's 14 6 7 1 242 206 13
Any of these 9 teams could beat eachother on any day, would also give any team a tough game within ulster.
I agree - it would be hard not to, particularly when you consider that last year's champions did so and are now 8th (or 9th depending on how they are being ranked).
Pissed myself laughing at that, Arbboe, Errigal, Carrickmore currently not in the ball park. Trillick this season not in to ball park either. They could well be next year. That leaves Killyclogher, Omagh, Clonoe, Coalisland and Dromore, five teams lads who this season were the only serious teams in the championship.
So how do you work Clonoe are much further than Carrickmore? Beat them by a single point in League and a goal at the end of the Championship game? If Caoloan Daly had not have got injured Carrickmore would have beaten Clonoe they were all over them the entire game.
If your ma had balls she would be your da. The point is they didn't, couldn't, haven't in god knows how long, end of that debate. You must hold Clonoe in very high esteem when getting to within a point or two of them qualifies them for this argument/discussion. I am talking about this year, next year is a different set of variables
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Quote from: redhandroar on November 10, 2016, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Name these 9 teams you headers!!!
It's not hard to find the top 9 league team's in Tyrone from the Tyrone GAA website (Killyclogher Vs Carrickmore still outstanding). So the 9th team is Carrickmore or Trillick based on this year's league form.
1 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait 15 12 2 1 292 156 25
2 Omagh St Enda's 15 11 2 2 265 187 24
3 Coalisland Fianna GFC 15 11 2 2 256 184 24
4 Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 14 11 2 1 233 155 23
5 Errigal Ciaran 15 9 5 1 244 199 19
6 Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 15 8 4 3 238 197 19
7 Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 15 8 4 3 234 205 19
8 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin 15 6 8 1 210 222 13
9 Carrickmore St Colmcille's 14 6 7 1 242 206 13
Any of these 9 teams could beat eachother on any day, would also give any team a tough game within ulster.
I agree - it would be hard not to, particularly when you consider that last year's champions did so and are now 8th (or 9th depending on how they are being ranked).
Pissed myself laughing at that, Arbboe, Errigal, Carrickmore currently not in the ball park. Trillick this season not in to ball park either. They could well be next year. That leaves Killyclogher, Omagh, Clonoe, Coalisland and Dromore, five teams lads who this season were the only serious teams in the championship.
So how do you work Clonoe are much further than Carrickmore? Beat them by a single point in League and a goal at the end of the Championship game? If Caoloan Daly had not have got injured Carrickmore would have beaten Clonoe they were all over them the entire game.
Maybe last year's league positions will help to confirm....
1 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait 15 14 1 0 257 133 28
2 Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 15 11 3 1 232 171 23
3 Errigal Ciaran 15 10 3 2 239 184 22
4 Carrickmore St Colmcille's 15 10 4 1 263 202 21
5 Omagh St Enda's 15 10 5 0 252 188 20
6 Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 15 10 5 0 248 162 20
7 Coalisland Fianna GFC 15 9 6 0 215 183 18
8 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin 15 8 7 0 206 177 16
9 Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 15 7 6 2 231 222 16
...
same 9 teams. Trillick ended up 8th but won the Championship - beat KClogher by a point in the final who had beaten Dromore by a point in the semis - doesn't seem to be a lot between first and 8th!
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 10, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
If your ma had balls she would be your da. The point is they didn't, couldn't, haven't in god knows how long, end of that debate. You must hold Clonoe in very high esteem when getting to within a point or two of them qualifies them for this argument/discussion. I am talking about this year, next year is a different set of variables
Well i do hold them in pretty high regard to be honest, great club with great people involved. Beating a team by a last minute goal in my mind would mean they were in contention to win throughout the entire game no?
Regardless of what Killyclogher do on Sunday they wont win Ulster.
Omagh had the chance a couple of years ago and bottled it.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 02:45:22 PM
Regardless of what Killyclogher do on Sunday they wont win Ulster.
Omagh had the chance a couple of years ago and bottled it.
Personally I expect Killyclogher to find it tough on Sunday against an experienced Slaughtneil outfit. But what have Omagh's past failings got to do with Killyclogher?
Tyrone clubs don't have the minerals for the Ulster club championship!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
Tyrone clubs don't have the minerals for the Ulster club championship!
It must be Maghery's title then - after all Crossmaglen have a fantastic record in Ulster!!!
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Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
So kildress who got to the last 8 in Tyrone (and are therefore in the top 9 teams in the county) would be contenders in the other 8 counties ???
Surely you would judge the top teams in a county on their league form?
Not necessarily. Slaughtneil finished 6th in Derry but they certainly aren't the 6th best team in that county.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
Tyrone clubs don't have the minerals for the Ulster club championship!
It must be Maghery's title then - after all Crossmaglen have a fantastic record in Ulster!!!
Doubt it. Kilcoo are a tough outfit and they've been missing key forward Jerome Johnson.
Are certain posters suggesting that Tyrone have 9 different club teams capable of winning Ulster?
Much as I would like to see a Slaughtneil treble, I think it will be a Killyclogher Kilcoo final, with Kilcoo winning that.
1 O'Donovan Rossa Magherafelt 15 11 2 2 257 189 68 24
2 Ballinascreen 15 11 3 1 229 159 70 23
3 Ballinderry 15 11 4 0 252 193 59 22
4 The Loup 15 10 4 1 258 204 54 21
5 Glen 15 9 4 2 237 201 36 20
6 Slaughtneil 15 10 5 0 271 185 86 20
Quote from: redhandroar on November 10, 2016, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
Tyrone clubs don't have the minerals for the Ulster club championship!
It must be Maghery's title then - after all Crossmaglen have a fantastic record in Ulster!!!
I would be quite surprised if Maghery beat Kilcoo. They're good enough but having just won their first title they're in uncharted waters - that might go against them. They've a good manager and a strong panel, they've excellent fitness and don't rely on one or two players for scores. Their main downfall is their shooting, they're full of running and will go all day so fitness won't be an issue. Discipline might be an issue but both teams are well versed in the dark arts so might cancel each other out
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Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
So kildress who got to the last 8 in Tyrone (and are therefore in the top 9 teams in the county) would be contenders in the other 8 counties ???
Surely you would judge the top teams in a county on their league form?
Not necessarily. Slaughtneil finished 6th in Derry but they certainly aren't the 6th best team in that county.
In general though the best teams will be higher in the league. Your example of Kildress is ridiculous seeing that they finished bottom of the league and beat a team who were 3rd bottom in champ
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Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
So kildress who got to the last 8 in Tyrone (and are therefore in the top 9 teams in the county) would be contenders in the other 8 counties ???
Surely you would judge the top teams in a county on their league form?
Not necessarily. Slaughtneil finished 6th in Derry but they certainly aren't the 6th best team in that county.
In general though the best teams will be higher in the league. Your example of Kildress is ridiculous seeing that they finished bottom of the league and beat a team who were 3rd bottom in champ
How's it ridiculous? This is Tyrone we are talking about. The best football in Ulster with 9 potential winners every year!
So your saying that kildress are better than omagh, seeing that kildress made it past the first round and omagh did not lol
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on November 10, 2016, 03:07:27 PM
So your saying that kildress are better than omagh, seeing that kildress made it past the first round and omagh did not lol
Sure clearly they finished in the top 9 in the Tyrone championship and are therefore able to take on anyone in Ulster
Quote from: Estimator on November 10, 2016, 02:54:59 PM
Are certain posters suggesting that Tyrone have 9 different club teams capable of winning Ulster?
Not in the slightest, What i have said is that the top 9 teams would give any team in ulster a tough game
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Quote from: Gonzalo15 on November 10, 2016, 03:07:27 PM
So your saying that kildress are better than omagh, seeing that kildress made it past the first round and omagh did not lol
Sure clearly they finished in the top 9 in the Tyrone championship and are therefore able to take on anyone in Ulster
Yep thats it. KIldress for the all Ireland
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Quote from: general_lee on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
Is it a farce, or were Cross just better than everyone during their dominance? Cork were looked upon as the second best
priest team in ireland during Kerrys golden period. Cork might have won countless All Ireland's but just couldn't get past Kerry. Same with Armagh teams. Only two have got that chance, Pearse Og and Maghery.
Have Maghery any chance against Kilcoo?
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Have Maghery any chance against Kilcoo?
Of course.
With a bit of luck, on an awful wet day and heavy pitch any team is capable of beating each other at this point.
Full-back slips after 2 mins, goal. Goalie drops the wet ball after 5 mins, goal. 6 points down before you begin on a pitch where 10 scores over the hour is a reasonable return...
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Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
Is it a farce, or were Cross just better than everyone during their dominance? Cork were looked upon as the second best priest team in ireland during Kerrys golden period. Cork might have won countless All Ireland's but just couldn't get past Kerry. Same with Armagh teams. Only two have got that chance, Pearse Og and Maghery.
By who were Cork viewed as the second best team in Ireland during Kerry's golden period?
Cork were a pretty average side who stumbled over the line against a Down side having a flash in the pan season, they were consistently overhyped and never really came close to winning one before or after. Having a handy passage through Munster every year has Cork consistently at short odds but they were and are a long way away from being the second best team in the country over the past 20 years.
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Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
Is it a farce, or were Cross just better than everyone during their dominance? Cork were looked upon as the second best priest team in ireland during Kerrys golden period. Cork might have won countless All Ireland's but just couldn't get past Kerry. Same with Armagh teams. Only two have got that chance, Pearse Og and Maghery.
By who were Cork viewed as the second best team in Ireland during Kerry's golden period?
Cork were a pretty average side who stumbled over the line against a Down side having a flash in the pan season, they were consistently overhyped and never really came close to winning one before or after. Having a handy passage through Munster every year has Cork consistently at short odds but they were and are a long way away from being the second best team in the country over the past 20 years.
I assume he means late 70s and early 80s
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Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
Is it a farce, or were Cross just better than everyone during their dominance? Cork were looked upon as the second best priest team in ireland during Kerrys golden period. Cork might have won countless All Ireland's but just couldn't get past Kerry. Same with Armagh teams. Only two have got that chance, Pearse Og and Maghery.
By who were Cork viewed as the second best team in Ireland during Kerry's golden period?
Cork were a pretty average side who stumbled over the line against a Down side having a flash in the pan season, they were consistently overhyped and never really came close to winning one before or after. Having a handy passage through Munster every year has Cork consistently at short odds but they were and are a long way away from being the second best team in the country over the past 20 years.
I assume he means late 70s and early 80s
That was obvious but bomber is either being obtuse or he's a bit stupid.
The Tyronies don't lack confidence, that's for sure :P
What happened to Omagh? They reached the Ulster Club final in 2014 beating Crossmaglen along the way, haven't won the Tyrone championship since. Tyrone Club football is competitive, but they looked like a side that would be back
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What happened to Omagh? They reached the Ulster Club final in 2014 beating Crossmaglen along the way, haven't won the Tyrone championship since. Tyrone Club football is competitive, but they looked like a side that would be back
you answered your own question... not much between 6 or 7 teams
Still, they were good enough to make the Ulster final.
The Tyrone club championship is knockout, so if missing a few players, there is no second chance. Is that a factor? Peter Harte was suspended for Errigal Ciaran one year, and they were knocked out in first round.
Maybe a Tyrone team can win, but traditionally they haven't.. how long has this competition going? Poor return from a highly competitive (apparently) championship... when you consider 9 teams can win it each year :o
Bit like Ulster county football is such a effort to get out of Tyrone whereas other counties no competition...
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Bit like Ulster county football is such a effort to get out of Tyrone whereas other counties no competition...
We talking club or county on this thread?
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Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Explain.
That a team can come straight out of intermediate and win it tells you all you need to know.
... and go on to beat the Donegal champions and lose by just 2 points to the team that took Crossmaglen to Extra time in the Ulster final. By your logic it doesn't say much for Ulster Club football generally.
Looking at the talented youth coming through with Trillick might provide a better explanation as to how they were able to make the transition to Senior football so effectively - including Richard Donnelly and the two Brennans joining the more established players (including Matty Donnelly, now a 2-in-a-row All Star). When you look at their team sheet it's probably not surprising that they were competitive in their first year at senior football and continue to be so.
I suppose Sunday will tell us how far Tyrone club football is behind the best in Ulster anyway. Personally I can't see Killyclogher being too far away.
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So you don't think Tyrone football's over-rated either then - glad we're in agreement!
We both know it is! your argument that last years champions got beat by the team that got beat by Cross is funny though ;)
Coming from someone from Armagh where their championship is a farce lol
Is it a farce, or were Cross just better than everyone during their dominance? Cork were looked upon as the second best priest team in ireland during Kerrys golden period. Cork might have won countless All Ireland's but just couldn't get past Kerry. Same with Armagh teams. Only two have got that chance, Pearse Og and Maghery.
By who were Cork viewed as the second best team in Ireland during Kerry's golden period?
Cork were a pretty average side who stumbled over the line against a Down side having a flash in the pan season, they were consistently overhyped and never really came close to winning one before or after. Having a handy passage through Munster every year has Cork consistently at short odds but they were and are a long way away from being the second best team in the country over the past 20 years.
You're right. But I was talking about the 70s and early 80s.
Load of balls about Tyrone club football. We self destructed against Omagh and should never have lost. Apart from 1 exceptional EC team with the Canavan's etc no Tyrone club has made an impact at all in Ulster for the whole history of the competition. They're just not good enough at club senior, end of story.
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Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.
Depends what you mean by overrated. It is one if the most competitive championships but the top clubs are not at the same level as some of the bigger Derry clubs.
A measure of the respective strength of the clubs within the 9 counties would be the number of different Provincial winners. That however is not a measure of the competitiveness of the respective championships.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2016, 10:20:18 PM
Load of balls about Tyrone club football. We self destructed against Omagh and should never have lost. Apart from 1 exceptional EC team with the Canavan's etc no Tyrone club has made an impact at all in Ulster for the whole history of the competition. They're just not good enough at club senior, end of story.
Amen BCB. Competitiveness does not mean quality! In Derry we'd consider the standard of our SFC quite poor overall. The exception being Slaughtneil.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2016, 10:20:18 PM
Load of balls about Tyrone club football. We self destructed against Omagh and should never have lost. Apart from 1 exceptional EC team with the Canavan's etc no Tyrone club has made an impact at all in Ulster for the whole history of the competition. They're just not good enough at club senior, end of story.
Omagh beat Cross, end of story. Many games in the past Cross have been outplayed but have came up with the good so it's a great contradiction to be cribbing about implosions.
Crossmaglen have only been beaten 4 times in Ulster over the past 15 seasons and guess which county was responsible 3 of those defeats?
You guessed it, Tyrone. Errigal and Omagh.
Only 6 clubs (from three counties) have won Ulster in the past 15 seasons.
Crossmaglen (8)
Galls (2)
Slaughtneil, Errigal, Ballinderry and Loup (1 apiece)
Tyrone clubs have been a bit short of what is needed to win but the point remains they have been very competitive at Ulster level and are well able to compete with the best. I don't think you would find another county championship in the country that can say it has returned 7 different winners in the past 7 years and I think the fact they always go in to Ulster and put it up sides like Cross, Ballindery, Galls etc who are some of the best clubs in the country says a lot about the quality there.
I would rather than a competitive Championship with plenty of sides capable of winning it and going and giving a decent account of themselves in Ulster rather than a super club who will cruise to their county title every year and expect to be winning the bigger honours.
Not cribbing, just stating fact. I've acknowledged EC as being a great team and were the one team we couldn't beat at the time. We beat them subsequently though. The simple fact is that take them out and no other club in Tyrone has won it. There have been 50 odd championships and Tyrone teams have only reached the final 7 times. That's not competitive no matter how competitive the county championship is. Out of the 9 counties only Fermanagh Cavan and Donegal are below Tyrone. That's not competitive. A so-called weaker football county like Antrim has produced 2 different clubs as winners, 4 titles and 1 AI. That's competitive. EC were the exception rather than the rule. Even take us out of the equation and Armagh clubs have a better record than Tyrone clubs. Just not good enough full stop.
The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it
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The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it
Absolute tosh.
Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.
The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.
There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.
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The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it
Absolute tosh.
Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.
The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.
There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.
Competitive against each other, yes. Competitive against the rest of Ulster, clearly not.
The involvement of tyrone senior team in later stages of all ireland series has impacted on tyrone clubs. SFC IS COMPRESSED into a 5 - 6 week tournament. These are highly competitive hence no tyrone club dominates at SFC and are unable to sustain that at provincial level in a series of years.
This IS IN SHARP CONTRAST to IFC And JFC where tyrone clubs have won ulster and all ireland . These clubs like Cookstown and Rock have fewer county players. But they have enough quality to impact at provincial level .
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The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it
Absolute tosh.
Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.
The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.
There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.
Competitive against each other, yes. Competitive against the rest of Ulster, clearly not.
Clearly they are competitive against the rest of Ulster sides, are you saying clubs like Kilcoo and Scotstown are not competitive at Ulster level?
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The involvement of tyrone senior team in later stages of all ireland series has impacted on tyrone clubs. SFC IS COMPRESSED into a 5 - 6 week tournament. These are highly competitive hence no tyrone club dominates at SFC and are unable to sustain that at provincial level in a series of years.
This IS IN SHARP CONTRAST to IFC And JFC where tyrone clubs have won ulster and all ireland . These clubs like Cookstown and Rock have fewer county players. But they have enough quality to impact at provincial level .
What happened in the 30 odd years prior to 2003 when Tyrone teams made limited impact?
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The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it
Absolute tosh.
Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.
The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.
There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.
Competitive against each other, yes. Competitive against the rest of Ulster, clearly not.
Clearly they are competitive against the rest of Ulster sides, are you saying clubs like Kilcoo and Scotstown are not competitive at Ulster level?
Kilcoo yes as they have consistently been there. The current Scotstown team have underachieved at Ulster for the talent they have. It's all about the cup or consistency in the competition. A party from the EC team I played against, we never feared a Tyrone team. The funny thing is Carrickmore should have been the team that pushed on but just didn't have something. The reality is that ourselves, Derrybteams and St Galls have dominated the competition for the last 20 years. You could actually saw that there are 6 counties that are not competitive at provincial level.
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Bit like Ulster county football is such a effort to get out of Tyrone whereas other counties no competition...
We talking club or county on this thread?
Have youse a county team?
Maybe the reason Crossmaglen dominated was because Armagh football is so poor
They would not get 20 titles in 22 years in Tyrone Derry or Down
Great players in that Crossmaglen era but must say a lot of players living of that
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2016, 05:12:13 PM
Maybe the reason Crossmaglen dominated was because Armagh football is so poor
They would not get 20 titles in 22 years in Tyrone Derry or Down
Great players in that Crossmaglen era but must say a lot of players living of that
Who?
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2016, 05:12:13 PM
Maybe the reason Crossmaglen dominated was because Armagh football is so poor
They would not get 20 titles in 22 years in Tyrone Derry or Down
Great players in that Crossmaglen era but must say a lot of players living of that
Why'd they get so many Ulsters and AIs?
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Bit like Ulster county football is such a effort to get out of Tyrone whereas other counties no competition...
We talking club or county on this thread?
Have youse a county team?
Are we talking county or club?? See you on right thread?
Sure Cross came from nowhere in the competition to win in '96. No history of getting to the Ulster Final and went on to dominate from there. Mullabawn won Ulster in '95. So there were good teams around at that stage.
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Other possibles
St Eunans
Clonoe
Trillick
Ballinascreen
Armagh Harps
Magherafelt
Mayobridge
St Galls
Clontibret
Castlerahan
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The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
There is an Ulster league, how many times have Cross won it?
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There is an Ulster league, how many times have Cross won it?
Cross don't even always win the Armagh league!!
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Still, they were good enough to make the Ulster final.
The Tyrone club championship is knockout, so if missing a few players, there is no second chance. Is that a factor? Peter Harte was suspended for Errigal Ciaran one year, and they were knocked out in first round.
Errigal have only won 1 championship game in last 5 years I believe. It is a seriously competitive championship. omagh won 1 game last year and none this year but got to Ulster final in '14 as you say.
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Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
Top 20 clubs NOW !!!
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Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
I've won it more times than all the Tyrone teams put together 😂
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
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The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
I've won it more times than all the Tyrone teams put together 😂
No No No
Oisin won it for you more times than all the Tyrone teams
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
I've won it more times than all the Tyrone teams put together 😂
No No No
Oisin won it for you more times than all the Tyrone teams
Aye, all on his own😂
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
I've won it more times than all the Tyrone teams put together 😂
No No No
Oisin won it for you more times than all the Tyrone teams
Aye, all on his own😂
I don't know who you are, for all i know you might be Oisin Mc Conville. You might be a good footballer but I'm guessing a good footballer wouldn't be blowing his load on an internet forum.
So let's get this right, are Tyronies defending themselves and their record in the Ulster CLUB championship by saying they have a stronger league than everyone else?
Surely by that reckoning they should have more titles than TWO
Over the last 40 years Tyrone have definitely not had the strongest league in Ulster. It is fairly strong at the minute though. Had Dromore been able to win 6 or 7 Tyrone Championships in the last 8 or 9 years I think they would have won a few Ulster titles.
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
I've won it more times than all the Tyrone teams put together 😂
No No No
Oisin won it for you more times than all the Tyrone teams
Aye, all on his own😂
I don't know who you are, for all i know you might be Oisin Mc Conville. You might be a good footballer but I'm guessing a good footballer wouldn't be blowing his load on an internet forum.
I don't think he is Oisin, otherwise he would have I have twice as many Ulsters as all Tyrone clubs put together.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2016, 07:18:27 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
I've won it more times than all the Tyrone teams put together 😂
No No No
Oisin won it for you more times than all the Tyrone teams
Aye, all on his own😂
I don't know who you are, for all i know you might be Oisin Mc Conville. You might be a good footballer but I'm guessing a good footballer wouldn't be blowing his load on an internet forum.
I don't think he is Oisin, otherwise he would have I have twice as many Ulsters as all Tyrone clubs put together.
As you know I'm not. Also I think Oisin had 5 times as many titles as Tyrone clubs put together not twice. Any old fool could have twice as many😉
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Over the last 40 years Tyrone have definitely not had the strongest league in Ulster. It is fairly strong at the minute though. Had Dromore been able to win 6 or 7 Tyrone Championships in the last 8 or 9 years I think they would have won a few Ulster titles.
Well that's a view, or another view is they didn't! Always liked Carrickmore as an outfit who had the personal to do something in Ulster but fell away
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Over the last 40 years Tyrone have definitely not had the strongest league in Ulster. It is fairly strong at the minute though. Had Dromore been able to win 6 or 7 Tyrone Championships in the last 8 or 9 years I think they would have won a few Ulster titles.
Hold on, that last sentence is as barmy as the Tyrone 9 statement the other day. To conclude, Tyrone supporters are bigger lunatics than the Rossies, and that's some going!
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2016, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Over the last 40 years Tyrone have definitely not had the strongest league in Ulster. It is fairly strong at the minute though. Had Dromore been able to win 6 or 7 Tyrone Championships in the last 8 or 9 years I think they would have won a few Ulster titles.
Hold on, that last sentence is as barmy as the Tyrone 9 statement the other day. To conclude, Tyrone supporters are bigger lunatics than the Rossies, and that's some going!
Ah God,
Its not easy having to explain everything. My point is if the Tyrone Championship was as uncompetitive as some others in Ulster, Dromore may have been more successful in Ulster,
But obviously thats not the case. Hope that cleared things a little
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2016, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Over the last 40 years Tyrone have definitely not had the strongest league in Ulster. It is fairly strong at the minute though. Had Dromore been able to win 6 or 7 Tyrone Championships in the last 8 or 9 years I think they would have won a few Ulster titles.
Hold on, that last sentence is as barmy as the Tyrone 9 statement the other day. To conclude, Tyrone supporters are bigger lunatics than the Rossies, and that's some going!
Ah God,
Its not easy having to explain everything. My point is if the Tyrone Championship was as uncompetitive as some others in Ulster, Dromore may have been more successful in Ulster,
But obviously thats not the case. Hope that cleared things a little
As clear as mud. Up Dromore and the Tyrone 9
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2016, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2016, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Over the last 40 years Tyrone have definitely not had the strongest league in Ulster. It is fairly strong at the minute though. Had Dromore been able to win 6 or 7 Tyrone Championships in the last 8 or 9 years I think they would have won a few Ulster titles.
Hold on, that last sentence is as barmy as the Tyrone 9 statement the other day. To conclude, Tyrone supporters are bigger lunatics than the Rossies, and that's some going!
Ah God,
Its not easy having to explain everything. My point is if the Tyrone Championship was as uncompetitive as some others in Ulster, Dromore may have been more successful in Ulster,
But obviously thats not the case. Hope that cleared things a little
As clear as mud. Up Dromore and the Tyrone 9
Sorry to confuse you. Hope Killyclogher hammer your county representatives tomorrow
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2016, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2016, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Over the last 40 years Tyrone have definitely not had the strongest league in Ulster. It is fairly strong at the minute though. Had Dromore been able to win 6 or 7 Tyrone Championships in the last 8 or 9 years I think they would have won a few Ulster titles.
Hold on, that last sentence is as barmy as the Tyrone 9 statement the other day. To conclude, Tyrone supporters are bigger lunatics than the Rossies, and that's some going!
Ah God,
Its not easy having to explain everything. My point is if the Tyrone Championship was as uncompetitive as some others in Ulster, Dromore may have been more successful in Ulster,
But obviously thats not the case. Hope that cleared things a little
As clear as mud. Up Dromore and the Tyrone 9
Sorry to confuse you. Hope Killyclogher hammer your county representatives tomorrow
Dead on
Relax everyone
Have to say Tyronies must be the touchiest gaels in the whole country.
If a team's goal at the start of the year is to win a county title, as they know that 7 or 8 others teams could feasibly beat them along the way, then it's hard to shift the mindset to win Ulster once the goal for the year is achieved. Especially if you are due out a week or so after winning the county title which has happened more than once if my memory serves me right.. Cross, St Galls and more recently the likes of Kilcoo and Slaughtneil are most likely able to plan for the long haul in Ulster from the start of the season. If a Tyrone club took their eye off the ball in the county championship they'd be out on their ear.
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 12, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
The question here seems to be which county has the greatest depth of quality clubs. That may be Tyrone and it also may not. As far as producing the best team in Ulster Tyrone have only managed that twice which is a terrible record. One which Killyclogher might improve on over the next few weeks but its a big ask. Heres a new question. If you had to make an Ulster Club league with the top 20 clubs in Ulster, who would be there ??
My guess
Glenties
Kilcar
Glenswilley
Killyclogher
Dromore
Omagh
Coalisland
Maghery
Crossmaglen
Cullyhanna
Ramor
Scotstown
Ballybay
Cargin
Slaughtneil
Ballinderry
Loup
Kilcoo
Burren
Derrygonnelly
Bellaghy have won it more than all the Tyrone teams together!!
I've won it more times than all the Tyrone teams put together 😂
No No No
Oisin won it for you more times than all the Tyrone teams
Aye, all on his own😂
I don't know who you are, for all i know you might be Oisin Mc Conville. You might be a good footballer but I'm guessing a good footballer wouldn't be blowing his load on an internet forum.
Never a good idea to throw insults when you are trying to win an argument.
By the way I reckon he has more All Ireland club titles than Tyrone clubs have Ulster titles but less than Armagh clubs, Cross aside, have Ulster titles.
I hope Paul Hearty doesn't post here or Tyronies will be touchy altogether, he having enough club Ulsters to keep Tyrone going to 2525.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2016, 08:52:50 PM
If a team's goal at the start of the year is to win a county title, as they know that 7 or 8 others teams could feasibly beat them along the way, then it's hard to shift the mindset to win Ulster once the goal for the year is achieved. Especially if you are due out a week or so after winning the county title which has happened more than once if my memory serves me right.. Cross, St Galls and more recently the likes of Kilcoo and Slaughtneil are most likely able to plan for the long haul in Ulster from the start of the season. If a Tyrone club took their eye off the ball in the county championship they'd be out on their ear.
Exactamundo 8)
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2016, 10:41:50 PM
I hope Paul Hearty doesn't post here or Tyronies will be touchy altogether, he having enough club Ulsters to keep Tyrone going to 2525.
The Armagh lads are easier talked to when you start talking about sam Maguires ;)
Have you many of them bcb?
Quote from: In hiding on November 12, 2016, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2016, 10:41:50 PM
I hope Paul Hearty doesn't post here or Tyronies will be touchy altogether, he having enough club Ulsters to keep Tyrone going to 2525.
The Armagh lads are easier talked to when you start talking about sam Maguires ;)
Have you many of them bcb?
Is this a club thread or county thread?? There really is some sort of dysfunctional posters
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 12, 2016, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2016, 10:41:50 PM
I hope Paul Hearty doesn't post here or Tyronies will be touchy altogether, he having enough club Ulsters to keep Tyrone going to 2525.
The Armagh lads are easier talked to when you start talking about sam Maguires ;)
Have you many of them bcb?
Is this a club thread or county thread?? There really is some sort of dysfunctional posters
Are you thread police or something
Good job grammar police aren't watching
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2016, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 12, 2016, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2016, 10:41:50 PM
I hope Paul Hearty doesn't post here or Tyronies will be touchy altogether, he having enough club Ulsters to keep Tyrone going to 2525.
The Armagh lads are easier talked to when you start talking about sam Maguires ;)
Have you many of them bcb?
Is this a club thread or county thread?? There really is some sort of dysfunctional posters
Are you thread police or something
Good job grammar police aren't watching
So you've read the thread title and talk about county football and wonder about my grammar?
Yeah you're right I apologise. I hope never to stray off thread topic ever again
Worse than north Korea on here
Quote from: In hiding on November 12, 2016, 11:27:04 PM
Yeah you're right I apologise. I hope never to stray off thread topic ever again
Are all Tyronies sensitive about English grammar? Or just how their club teams perform in Ulster?
We showed Tyrone how to do it. No matter what they always followed us!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2016, 12:20:15 AM
We showed Tyrone how to do it. No matter what they always followed us!
Stop straying :)
Oh aye. He gets a smiley face
A man with drink in him told me the night the only Donegal club to win Ulster Club doesn't exist anymore.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 13, 2016, 12:47:52 AM
A man with drink in him told me the night the only Donegal club to win Ulster Club doesn't exist anymore.
St. Joseph's.
End of the day Tyrone are a shower of tossers
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 13, 2016, 12:47:52 AM
A man with drink in him told me the night the only Donegal club to win Ulster Club doesn't exist anymore.
Technically it was two clubs, and they still exist. Bundoran and Ballyshannon.
Dominic Corrigan look after Killyclogher?
Always liked him as a coach, to be fair to him he's great knowledge of Ulster club football.... going to watch it 'live' well not listen to the results or come on here!
Kilcoo 0-4
Maghery 0-1
Slaughtneil 0-2
Killyclogher 0-3
Kilcoo 0-6
Maghery 0-3
Slaughtneil 0-4
Killyclogher 0-3
Kilcoo 1-8
Maghery 0-4 - Aidan Forker straight red
Slaughtneil 0-6
Killyclogher 0-4
HT
Kilcoo 2-8
Maghery 0-5
Slaughtneil 1-6
Killyclogher 0-4
Kilcoo 2-8
Maghery 0-9
Slaughtneil 1-9
Killyclogher 0-4
Kilcoo 4-13
Maghery 0-11
Slaughtneil 1-11
Killyclogher 0-8
Kilcoo 4-13
Maghery 0-12 FT
Slaughtneil 1-11
Killyclogher 0-8
Kilcoo v Slaughtneil final
One of the other Tyrone teams would have put up a better performance!
Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Quote from: skeog on November 13, 2016, 05:36:18 PM
Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
They have a poor record at Senior. Strong in Intermediate and junior.
Monaghan v Tyrone in Junior and Intermediate Ulster finals
Quote from: time ticking away on November 13, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 13, 2016, 05:36:18 PM
Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
Not surprised can't understand why Killyclogher were being so hotly tipped even by Derry writer Cathaoir O'Kane. They beat a Coalisland team collapsed on the night and very poor Antrim side. Why were Slaughneil being written off? Amazing. Conal McCann seems like a better player than Tiernan...
Quote from: longballin on November 13, 2016, 05:49:29 PM
Not surprised can't understand why Killyclogher were being so hotly tipped even by Derry writer Cathaoir O'Kane. They beat a Coalisland team collapsed on the night and very poor Antrim side. Why were Slaughneil being written off? Amazing. Conal McCann seems like a better player than Tiernan...
He'd obviously a few pound on S'Neil and wanted the bookies to keep price down..
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
That's what we heard about Killyclogher before today about Bradley, McCann etc... can't see Kilcoo beat Slaughneil.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
Did not head to that game as thought Kilcoo would win and heard Maghery had a few injuries. They also do not have the strongest defense. Any idea what Forker did to get sent off?
Went to other game and Slaughtneil were very impressive From early on it seemed all Killyclogher wanted to do was keep score down. Very disappointing game.
Should be a close final. Hope for a good game of football.
Quote from: longballin on November 13, 2016, 05:57:17 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
That's what we heard about Killyclogher before today about Bradley, McCann etc... can't see Kilcoo beat Slaughneil.
seen plenty of kilcoo this year and i've never seen a team as driven or committed. they wont fear slaughtneil and definitely have the players to win this ulster final.
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Quote from: time ticking away on November 13, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 13, 2016, 05:36:18 PM
Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
Tyrone is genuinely competitive but it's probably quantity over quality. Today was a reality check for Tyrone club teams. No other team in the county would have fared any better today unfortunately.
Be very hard to call final to be honest... going for a draw
Quote from: Throw ball on November 13, 2016, 06:00:15 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
Did not head to that game as thought Kilcoo would win and heard Maghery had a few injuries. They also do not have the strongest defense. Any idea what Forker did to get sent off?
Went to other game and Slaughtneil were very impressive From early on it seemed all Killyclogher wanted to do was keep score down. Very disappointing game.
Should be a close final. Hope for a good game of football.
forker got sent off for a strike to the stomach on one the kilcoo defenders right on the half time whistle. definite red, silly action from an experienced player.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 13, 2016, 06:00:15 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
Did not head to that game as thought Kilcoo would win and heard Maghery had a few injuries. They also do not have the strongest defense. Any idea what Forker did to get sent off?
Went to other game and Slaughtneil were very impressive From early on it seemed all Killyclogher wanted to do was keep score down. Very disappointing game.
Should be a close final. Hope for a good game of football.
forker got sent off for a strike to the stomach on one the kilcoo defenders right on the half time whistle. definite red, silly action from an experienced player.
Sadly unlikely to be the last time. Heard he was one of those carrying injury but it would be a pity if he continued to allow a short fuse to outshine his undoubted football ability.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 13, 2016, 06:00:15 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
Did not head to that game as thought Kilcoo would win and heard Maghery had a few injuries. They also do not have the strongest defense. Any idea what Forker did to get sent off?
Went to other game and Slaughtneil were very impressive From early on it seemed all Killyclogher wanted to do was keep score down. Very disappointing game.
Should be a close final. Hope for a good game of football.
forker got sent off for a strike to the stomach on one the kilcoo defenders right on the half time whistle. definite red, silly action from an experienced player.
Forker's a liability. His club's biggest match in their history, and he does something like that!
Quote from: square_ball on November 13, 2016, 06:03:26 PM
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Quote from: time ticking away on November 13, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 13, 2016, 05:36:18 PM
Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
Tyrone is genuinely competitive but it's probably quantity over quality. Today was a reality check for Tyrone club teams. No other team in the county would have fared any better today unfortunately.
I wouldn't think so. Id say there would be two or three teams who would rate themselves better than Killyclogher.
Doesn't mean any of them are though
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
Should be a good final, both teams won their sf easily. Both teams reasonably experienced so I expect it to be even enough.
Poor enough contest today, Slaughtneil operating at higher level. At club level, they are strong in every sector whereas Killyclogher have some excellent footballers but have a good few weak links that were exploited today.
The Robbies are that bit stronger this year than when they reached the club final a couple of years back imo. An improved half back line and a more potent inside forward line. Should be a very competitive final
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Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
I'd advise you to learn what the definition of compete is before making a fool out of yourself.
Disappointing display from Killyclogher, they lack some size around the middle of the pitch and struggled win primary possession. Slaughtneil look good again this year, McGuigan will be a quality player.
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Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
I'd advise you to learn what the definition of compete is before making a fool out of yourself.
Disappointing display from Killyclogher, they lack some size around the middle of the pitch and struggled win primary possession. Slaughtneil look good again this year, McGuigan will be a quality player.
Quality from The Free Kick man, absolute quality!
Messing aside Slaughtneil do look to be a better team than 2 years ago. Mc Guigan at full forward gave Gorman as much trouble as he has had in a long time. Credit must also go to Mickey Moran. Slaughtneils patience on the ball when playing into a blanket defence was really impressive. The final could be a clinker.
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Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
Tyrone is genuinely competitive but it's probably quantity over quality. Today was a reality check for Tyrone club teams. No other team in the county would have fared any better today unfortunately.
I wouldn't think so. Id say there would be two or three teams who would rate themselves better than Killyclogher.
Doesn't mean any of them are though
Really? They've beat all of the better teams over the last 2 championship seasons so if there's teams that think they are better are deluded in my opinion of course. I think Clonoe are the only top team they haven't faced in the past few years in championship but don't think the Rahillys would beat them.
Them McCanns looked really well today, with conall's hairband and tiernan's colour.
Why did tiernan not come out in the second half?
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Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
I'd advise you to learn what the definition of compete is before making a fool out of yourself.
Disappointing display from Killyclogher, they lack some size around the middle of the pitch and struggled win primary possession. Slaughtneil look good again this year, McGuigan will be a quality player.
Quality from The Free Kick man, absolute quality!
Former and not sure what the relevance of that is.
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Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
I'd advise you to learn what the definition of compete is before making a fool out of yourself.
Disappointing display from Killyclogher, they lack some size around the middle of the pitch and struggled win primary possession. Slaughtneil look good again this year, McGuigan will be a quality player.
Quality from The Free Kick man, absolute quality!
Former and not sure what the relevance of that is.
Think the only fools are the lads that thought Tyrone club football is competitive
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Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
I'd advise you to learn what the definition of compete is before making a fool out of yourself.
Disappointing display from Killyclogher, they lack some size around the middle of the pitch and struggled win primary possession. Slaughtneil look good again this year, McGuigan will be a quality player.
Quality from The Free Kick man, absolute quality!
Former and not sure what the relevance of that is.
Think the only fools are the lads that thought Tyrone club football is competitive
Your tenuous interpretation of competitive is what is making you look like a fool.
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Milltown the other teams in Tyrone would have fared no better.
Tyrone club football is crap
Apparently not according to the experts on here, at least 9 teams could compete as the club championship is so competitive! :D
Anyways will be a beaut of a final. Would have been a Casement final to had we still got it or the other one built!!
S'Neil have shaken off their hurling exploits by the looks of it, Killy had a couple of decent footballers but never really looked on top, came out strong but faded
I'd advise you to learn what the definition of compete is before making a fool out of yourself.
Disappointing display from Killyclogher, they lack some size around the middle of the pitch and struggled win primary possession. Slaughtneil look good again this year, McGuigan will be a quality player.
Quality from The Free Kick man, absolute quality!
Former and not sure what the relevance of that is.
Think the only fools are the lads that thought Tyrone club football is competitive
Your tenuous interpretation of competitive is what is making you look like a fool.
Ok
Did Killy compete today?
They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
I reckon Kilcoo will take Slaughtneil
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I reckon Kilcoo will take Slaughtneil
Should be a cracking game! Any venue been fixed yet? Armagh?
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
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Have Maghery any chance against Kilcoo?
Of course.
With a bit of luck, on an awful wet day and heavy pitch any team is capable of beating each other at this point.
Full-back slips after 2 mins, goal. Goalie drops the wet ball after 5 mins, goal. 6 points down before you begin on a pitch where 10 scores over the hour is a reasonable return...
Clearly
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?
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kilcoo were really impressive today, ryan johnson and connor laverty were unplayable at times in the forward line. their fitness levels are unreal and the team is filled full of runners, who are also fine footballers. should be a some final.
Did not head to that game as thought Kilcoo would win and heard Maghery had a few injuries. They also do not have the strongest defense. Any idea what Forker did to get sent off?
Went to other game and Slaughtneil were very impressive From early on it seemed all Killyclogher wanted to do was keep score down. Very disappointing game.
Should be a close final. Hope for a good game of football.
forker got sent off for a strike to the stomach on one the kilcoo defenders right on the half time whistle. definite red, silly action from an experienced player.
Sadly unlikely to be the last time. Heard he was one of those carrying injury but it would be a pity if he continued to allow a short fuse to outshine his undoubted football ability.
Short fuse but great talent. I guess the scoreline wouldn't have been as bad if he had stayed on.
Looking forward now to the final and I'll be cheering for Kilcoo.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2016, 08:29:14 PM
If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2016, 08:29:14 PM
If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?
Me us me us me us yawn
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2016, 08:29:14 PM
If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?
Leinster has had 5 different winners in the past 10 years.
Connacht has 4 as well in the past 10 years.
Munster has 5 in the past 10 years.
I would say it's about as competitive as all the other provinces.
If Kilcoo win the final that would be 4 different winners in the last 4 years
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2016, 08:29:14 PM
If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?
I think Cross and to a certain extent Bellaghy in that winning it with different squads over the time of this competition have pedigree.. Which helps, players grow up with that winning mentality, if Tyrone teams had more wins it could spare others on I suppose
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
You were asked what it says about the standard of club football in those counties and you did not answer it.
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
You were asked what it says about the standard of club football in those counties and you did not answer it.
I did, I said its got obviously better clubs in those countries than Tyrone
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
You were asked what it says about the standard of club football in those counties and you did not answer it.
I did, I said its got obviously better clubs in those countries than Tyrone
Plural?
How can they have better clubs when one side dominates a Championship so much?
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If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?
I think Cross and to a certain extent Bellaghy in that winning it with different squads over the time of this competition have pedigree.. Which helps, players grow up with that winning mentality, if Tyrone teams had more wins it could spare others on I suppose
Ah I'm not sure. There would be 18-19 of the current squad with 6 medals so theres been a fairly consistent squad just with additions and retirements along the way.
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
You were asked what it says about the standard of club football in those counties and you did not answer it.
I did, I said its got obviously better clubs in those countries than Tyrone
Plural?
How can they have better clubs when one side dominates a Championship so much?
They have better clubs cause they've mainly beaten Tyrone teams, certainly at junior and intermediate levels Tyrone are up there. You any reason as to why Tyrone teams are crap?
How many years is this competition running? And how many times have Tyrone teams won it? That should answer all your questions, in that whole period teams come and go, dominate their club championship for a few years and get a feel for Ulster and how to win, it's completely different style of football played on different intensity levels on testing conditions... that probably is one reason why they haven't performed
Few teams in Ireland have matched Cross in 20 years. You can't therefore say Armagh club football is crap.
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Few teams in Ireland have matched Cross in 20 years. You can't therefore say Armagh club football is crap.
Cross winning county finals on a frequent basis by double digit margins is not really too impressive for the rest of the Armagh clubs.
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
You were asked what it says about the standard of club football in those counties and you did not answer it.
I did, I said its got obviously better clubs in those countries than Tyrone
Plural?
How can they have better clubs when one side dominates a Championship so much?
They have better clubs cause they've mainly beaten Tyrone teams, certainly at junior and intermediate levels Tyrone are up there. You any reason as to why Tyrone teams are crap?
How many years is this competition running? And how many times have Tyrone teams won it? That should answer all your questions, in that whole period teams come and go, dominate their club championship for a few years and get a feel for Ulster and how to win, it's completely different style of football played on different intensity levels on testing conditions... that probably is one reason why they haven't performed
There you go with your inconsistencies again.
You talk about better clubs? But how do we know they have better clubs when the likes of Kilcoo, Crossmaglen, Scotstown and now Slaughtneil are dominating their club championships. You really need to decide what you're arguing here, are you saying those championships have a club which is better than the Tyrone clubs? If so, I would find it hard to disagree. If you're saying that club football is at a higher standard in those counties because they have a super club who dominated, then the point you are making is ridiculous, flawed and easily dismantled.
Your second point also says a lot. Clubs like Crossmaglen, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo and Scotstown (I think we can all agree that they are the top 4 clubs in Ulster now) are there year in year out, they have good experience of what it takes in Ulster and now know the road very well. Difficult for Tyrone clubs as we've had 7 different winners in the last 7 years, these sides only get one crack at it.
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Have Maghery any chance against Kilcoo?
Of course.
With a bit of luck, on an awful wet day and heavy pitch any team is capable of beating each other at this point.
Full-back slips after 2 mins, goal. Goalie drops the wet ball after 5 mins, goal. 6 points down before you begin on a pitch where 10 scores over the hour is a reasonable return...
Clearly
... didn't happen.
Doesn't really take away from the possibility of it happening between two (not totally mis-matched) teams on a given bad day and bad pitch.
edit: Could bomber & milltown piss off and get a room. Half the page is taken up with a dozen bloody nested quotes! I suspect no-one but you two are reading them any more anyway!!
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
You were asked what it says about the standard of club football in those counties and you did not answer it.
I did, I said its got obviously better clubs in those countries than Tyrone
Plural?
How can they have better clubs when one side dominates a Championship so much?
They have better clubs cause they've mainly beaten Tyrone teams, certainly at junior and intermediate levels Tyrone are up there. You any reason as to why Tyrone teams are crap?
How many years is this competition running? And how many times have Tyrone teams won it? That should answer all your questions, in that whole period teams come and go, dominate their club championship for a few years and get a feel for Ulster and how to win, it's completely different style of football played on different intensity levels on testing conditions... that probably is one reason why they haven't performed
There you go with your inconsistencies again.
You talk about better clubs? But how do we know they have better clubs when the likes of Kilcoo, Crossmaglen, Scotstown and now Slaughtneil are dominating their club championships. You really need to decide what you're arguing here, are you saying those championships have a club which is better than the Tyrone clubs? If so, I would find it hard to disagree. If you're saying that club football is at a higher standard in those counties because they have a super club who dominated, then the point you are making is ridiculous, flawed and easily dismantled.
Your second point also says a lot. Clubs like Crossmaglen, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo and Scotstown (I think we can all agree that they are the top 4 clubs in Ulster now) are there year in year out, they have good experience of what it takes in Ulster and now know the road very well. Difficult for Tyrone clubs as we've had 7 different winners in the last 7 years, these sides only get one crack at it.
Jesus you're worse than TF !! The clubs in other counties are better because when it comes to Ulster club championship they (as in teams from other counties) beat the best of Tyrone teams !!! Now you can waffle on all you like but you haven't anything other to add but 'we've 7 different winners'
Do you agree that Tyrone club football in Ulster is crap? It's ok ya know
Augher late 70's till mid 80's won three, Trillick same period had won 3 Dromore last few years had 3 Ardboe who beat us in the 80's and of course Carrickmore who I thought had the best chance.. all failed while having great dominance over 6/7 years
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They were beaten by a better side but I don't think they are out of place playing the likes of Slaughtneil.
They didn't compete and they are the current Tyrone champions, add in Tyrones unfortunate history in this competition it's a familiar sight...
How many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil, in your opinion?
Lavey Kilcoo will be strong too Derrygonnell put up a better show
Would that be Derrygonnelly who Slaughtneil beat by 18 points last year?
Back to the question, how many club teams in Ulster are capable of competing with Slaughtneil?
Was 5 points this year which is competitive in your book ;D
The point is Tyronies have an inflated opinion on their club football.. I gave you three... how many would you like?
Lavey?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure Slaughtneil won their county final by 13 points and have won 3 Derry titles in a row - can't really be that competitive, can it?
You seem to basing the strength of club football in a county on the sole basis of one side, a bizarre logic which you're really struggling to defend. Kilcoo have 5 Down titles on the trot. Scotsown have won three of the last four Monaghan titles. Crossmaglen have 19 of the last 21 titles in Armagh. What does this say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the best teams from these counties best Tyrone teams ?
That answer makes absolutely no sense to the question posed.
I asked you what does it say about the standard of club football in those counties?
That the standard from those clubs is really good?
Why are you avoiding answering the question?
Because it doesn't fit in with your blinkered statements?
I did, doesn't fit with your viewpoint but hey that's how it goes
You were asked what it says about the standard of club football in those counties and you did not answer it.
I did, I said its got obviously better clubs in those countries than Tyrone
Plural?
How can they have better clubs when one side dominates a Championship so much?
They have better clubs cause they've mainly beaten Tyrone teams, certainly at junior and intermediate levels Tyrone are up there. You any reason as to why Tyrone teams are crap?
How many years is this competition running? And how many times have Tyrone teams won it? That should answer all your questions, in that whole period teams come and go, dominate their club championship for a few years and get a feel for Ulster and how to win, it's completely different style of football played on different intensity levels on testing conditions... that probably is one reason why they haven't performed
There you go with your inconsistencies again.
You talk about better clubs? But how do we know they have better clubs when the likes of Kilcoo, Crossmaglen, Scotstown and now Slaughtneil are dominating their club championships. You really need to decide what you're arguing here, are you saying those championships have a club which is better than the Tyrone clubs? If so, I would find it hard to disagree. If you're saying that club football is at a higher standard in those counties because they have a super club who dominated, then the point you are making is ridiculous, flawed and easily dismantled.
Your second point also says a lot. Clubs like Crossmaglen, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo and Scotstown (I think we can all agree that they are the top 4 clubs in Ulster now) are there year in year out, they have good experience of what it takes in Ulster and now know the road very well. Difficult for Tyrone clubs as we've had 7 different winners in the last 7 years, these sides only get one crack at it.
Jesus you're worse than TF !! The clubs in other counties are better because when it comes to Ulster club championship they (as in teams from other counties) beat the best of Tyrone teams !!! Now you can waffle on all you like but you haven't anything other to add but 'we've 7 different winners'
Do you agree that Tyrone club football in Ulster is crap? It's ok ya know
You can't even decide what you're arguing now.
I've repeatedly asked you to clarify this matter but all you have done is evade questions and contradict yourself.
I think Tyrone has the strongest club football in the province. They don't have a super club though, they have produced 7 different winners in the past 7 years and none of these sides have been embarrassed in their campaigns.
Coalisland lost to Glenties by a point in the 2010 semi final.
Dromore lost to Ballinderry by 2 points in the 2011 quarter final.
Errigal lost to Cross by 6 points in the 2012 semi final
Clonoe lost to Ballinderry by 4 points in the 2013 semi final
Omagh lost to Slaughneil by a point in the 2014 final
Trillick lost to Scotstown by 2 points in the 2015 semi final
Killclogher lost to Slaughtneil by 6 points in the 2016 semi final
Are those embarrassing results?
Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club ::)
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Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club ::)
Losing to the eventual provincial champions by a narrow margin is embarrassing?
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Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club ::)
Losing to the eventual provincial champions by a narrow margin is embarrassing?
What's embarrassing is since 1968 Tyrone have won it twice... what's the excuse?
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Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club ::)
Losing to the eventual provincial champions by a narrow margin is embarrassing?
What's embarrassing is since 1968 Tyrone have won it twice... what's the excuse?
you seem obsessed with Tyrone club football... we get the idea St Galls have won it... not all with local players but won it fair play.
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Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club ::)
Losing to the eventual provincial champions by a narrow margin is embarrassing?
What's embarrassing is since 1968 Tyrone have won it twice... what's the excuse?
I don't find it embarrassing. The reason would be that we don't have a super club in Tyrone. The mistake you're making is that you are evaluating a whole club Championship on the basis of one side. Tyrone have fielded 7 different sides at senior Ulster club level and I think they have all given a decent account of themselves, none of them have been on the receiving end of double digit hammerings. I don't think many other counties would be able to put forward that number of teams in that time span and not have one of them embarrass themselves.
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Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club ::)
Losing to the eventual provincial champions by a narrow margin is embarrassing?
What's embarrassing is since 1968 Tyrone have won it twice... what's the excuse?
I don't find it embarrassing. The reason would be that we don't have a super club in Tyrone. The mistake you're making is that you are evaluating a whole club Championship on the basis of one side. Tyrone have fielded 7 different sides at senior Ulster club level and I think they have all given a decent account of themselves, none of them have been on the receiving end of double digit hammerings. I don't think many other counties would be able to put forward that number of teams in that time span and not have one of them embarrass themselves.
Ok, better luck next year
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 13, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
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Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club ::)
Losing to the eventual provincial champions by a narrow margin is embarrassing?
What's embarrassing is since 1968 Tyrone have won it twice... what's the excuse?
you seem obsessed with Tyrone club football... we get the idea St Galls have won it... not all with local players but won it fair play.
I'm not
The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 13, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.
Tyrone clubs are competitive in Ulster, it's not as if they turning up and getting hammered in every game they play at that level.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 13, 2016, 10:16:39 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 13, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.
Tyrone clubs are competitive in Ulster, it's not as if they turning up and getting hammered in every game they play at that level.
Tyrone clubs have been in 3 finals since 2000 and only one since EC last won it in 2002 so they're not that competitive actually.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 13, 2016, 10:16:39 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 13, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.
Tyrone clubs are competitive in Ulster, it's not as if they turning up and getting hammered in every game they play at that level.
Tyrone clubs have been in 3 finals since 2000 and only one since EC last won it in 2002 so they're not that competitive actually.
Are Kilcoo competitive in Ulster?
Are Scotstown competitive in Ulster?
Tyrone club championship is competitive. Tyrone senior clubs are as competitive as Donegal, Fermanagh, Cavan clubs at senior level in that they generally compete but rarely if ever win or get to finals. Ok?
This experience thing is an bullshit argument that Tyrone clubs cannot hide behind. Just because they've had a few different winners in the last few years, should not impact upon the chance of winning Ulster.
With one notable exception, no club can guarantee winning the following years county championship, in order to gain the this all important Ulster experience that Tyrone clubs require. So you make the most of the opportunity that comes your way.
A few examples:
1. Slaughtneil (2014) had not won a county title in 10years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
2. Crossmaglen had never won an Ulster title before 1996 and had no county title in a few years and went on to win it.
3. An Lub hadn't won a county title in 70 years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
4. Ballerin (1976) hadn't won a county title in 20years and won Ulster and appeared in the AI final.
5. Between 1997 - 2003 (7years) 4 different clubs won the Derry Championship and then went on to win Ulster.
6. Mullabawn (1995) came through the Armagh C'ship before the start of the Cross dominance and won Ulster.
Il Bomber, id hardly noticed ye on this thing before - I tell ye what, ive noticed ye this past fuckin week that's for sure
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2016, 10:23:36 PM
Tyrone club championship is competitive. Tyrone senior clubs are as competitive as Donegal, Fermanagh, Cavan clubs at senior level in that they generally compete but rarely if ever win or get to finals. Ok?
Cavan and Fermanagh sides rarely win games in Ulster and regularly get double digit hammerings. Tyrone and Donegal clubs are competitive in Ulster, Cavan and Fermanagh clubs are not.
Derry is the only club championship which has churned out more than one side who has been successful in Ulster in the past 15 years.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2016, 08:29:14 PM
If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?
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If Kilcoo win the final that would be 4 different winners in the last 4 years
He shoots he scores! Well done, lol
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This experience thing is an bullshit argument that Tyrone clubs cannot hide behind. Just because they've had a few different winners in the last few years, should not impact upon the chance of winning Ulster.
With one notable exception, no club can guarantee winning the following years county championship, in order to gain the this all important Ulster experience that Tyrone clubs require. So you make the most of the opportunity that comes your way.
A few examples:
1. Slaughtneil (2014) had not won a county title in 10years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
2. Crossmaglen had never won an Ulster title before 1996 and had no county title in a few years and went on to win it.
3. An Lub hadn't won a county title in 70 years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
4. Ballerin (1976) hadn't won a county title in 20years and won Ulster and appeared in the AI final.
5. Between 1997 - 2003 (7years) 4 different clubs won the Derry Championship and then went on to win Ulster.
6. Mullabawn (1995) came through the Armagh C'ship before the start of the Cross dominance and won Ulster.
It's not a catch all argument, it's not the reason why Tyrone clubs haven't won Ulster but clubs who have experience at Ulster level, who have been there and done it, do hold an advantage over a side who are pretty raw and inexperienced at that level.
Quote from: hardstation on November 13, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Generally, clubs who dominate their county championships do best in Ulster. Clubs like Crossmaglen & St Galls who walked their respective county championships for years were able to focus their training plan on the Ulster campaign. I've often heard St Galls people claim that they didn't start training until Ulster (probably slightly untrue). Clubs who aren't 99% sure that they'll be in Ulster cannot prepare the same way. Also, winter football is a different game, war if attrition stuff. I think it often requires teams to gain experience of this before they can make inroads at this level. With Tyrone having a different winner every year, that can be difficult.
Slaughtneil won only their 2nd ever derry championship 2 years ago and went on to win ulster. Loup alao won ulster after not playing in the ulster club before. There are 4 or 5 derry clubs who are capable of having a very good run in ulster.
What an odd tangent this thread has taken.
The Tyrone "conundrum" isn't difficult to analyse.
At the start of every year each club will set its goals for the season. If a club hasn't won their county championship in quite a few years, its becomes the be all and end all of their season. Whereas if a club has won a couple of County titles recently, their pre season chat will talk about provincial titles.
I know some of our more ideological sorts (most likely those who haven't played in many years) will argue otherwise, but the truth is that it's nigh on impossible to upwardly adjust those goals after a first championship (or first one in years). Even leaving aside the belly full of drink, most humans just don't have the mental flexibility to accept that everything they worked for all season is actually a booby prize.
So when you happen to play in a hugely competitive county championship, it's a disadvantage to you... until you begin to dominate it.
Whatever about Tyrone club football. Maghery and Cargin both proved this year that if the big guns don't win it then there's not much happening in the rest of Armagh and Antrim.
Quote from: hardstation on November 13, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Generally, clubs who dominate their county championships do best in Ulster. Clubs like Crossmaglen & St Galls who walked their respective county championships for years were able to focus their training plan on the Ulster campaign. I've often heard St Galls people claim that they didn't start training until Ulster (probably slightly untrue). Clubs who aren't 99% sure that they'll be in Ulster cannot prepare the same way. Also, winter football is a different game, war if attrition stuff. I think it often requires teams to gain experience of this before they can make inroads at this level. With Tyrone having a different winner every year, that can be difficult.
What about Ballerin? As you said ;)
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Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
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Quote from: hardstation on November 13, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
Armagh and Derry are the only counties who have produced more than 2 clubs who have won it so I wouldn't say it's that odd.
Derry (6)
Armagh (3)
Antrim, Down, Monaghan (2)
Donegal and Tyrone (1)
Fermanagh and Cavan (0)
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Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
Armagh and Derry are the only counties who have produced more than 2 clubs who have won it so I wouldn't say it's that odd.
Derry (6)
Armagh (3)
Antrim, Down, Monaghan (2)
Donegal and Tyrone (1)
Fermanagh and Cavan (0)
Odd being Tyrone football is so competitive that having only one club !!
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Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
Armagh and Derry are the only counties who have produced more than 2 clubs who have won it so I wouldn't say it's that odd.
Derry (6)
Armagh (3)
Antrim, Down, Monaghan (2)
Donegal and Tyrone (1)
Fermanagh and Cavan (0)
Down have a chance to rectify this in two weeks time. Kilcoo played rightly today. Tyrone have no chance of rectifying this, of course, for 12 months.
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Quote from: hardstation on November 13, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
Armagh and Derry are the only counties who have produced more than 2 clubs who have won it so I wouldn't say it's that odd.
Derry (6)
Armagh (3)
Antrim, Down, Monaghan (2)
Donegal and Tyrone (1)
Fermanagh and Cavan (0)
Odd being Tyrone football is so competitive that having only one club !!
Winning and being competitive are too completely different parameters.
To go off in a slight tangent I was very disappointed in the Slaughtneil v Killyclogher game today. I would normally follow the Armagh champions but was fairly sure Kilcoo would beat Maghery today. Some might not be aware but football in Armagh has been fairly poor the last few years, Cross being the exception. Green shoots of improvement have been seen this year and the Sarfields v Harps and Cross v Cullyhanna games were as good as you would want to see. Today's match was anything but exciting as I was fairly sure who would win fairly early on.
This may not be popular with the Tyrone ones but if the way Killyclogher play is systematic of Tyrone club football then there may be a long wait for a Tyrone club to win Ulster. This playing with 13 and on occasions 15 men in your own half and breaking at speed with 'hot potato' passing is dire to watch and not very effective at this time of year in club football. The superior fitness and better players has made it effective for the best teams at County level but clubs seldom have the resources to do it effectively in winter conditions. It also becomes less effective if you do not build up an early lead. From early on it appeared Killyclogher were trying to keep the score down and I really do not feel the score reflects the true gulf between the teams.
Killyclogher were rubbish!! I reckon 4 or 5 Derry clubs would beat them! Kickout strategy (or lack of), running into trouble. Jesus Eoin Bradley was the only man who led any fight.
Looking forward to the final. Is Jerome Johnson out for the year? Kilcoo have done well without him but against that Slaughtneil defence you need all the forwards you can get.
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Quote from: hardstation on November 13, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
Armagh and Derry are the only counties who have produced more than 2 clubs who have won it so I wouldn't say it's that odd.
Derry (6)
Armagh (3)
Antrim, Down, Monaghan (2)
Donegal and Tyrone (1)
Fermanagh and Cavan (0)
Odd being Tyrone football is so competitive that having only one club !!
Winning and being competitive are too completely different parameters.
You can dance around all you like, you enter a competition to win it.
Venue picked??
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 13, 2016, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2016, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 13, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
Armagh and Derry are the only counties who have produced more than 2 clubs who have won it so I wouldn't say it's that odd.
Derry (6)
Armagh (3)
Antrim, Down, Monaghan (2)
Donegal and Tyrone (1)
Fermanagh and Cavan (0)
Odd being Tyrone football is so competitive that having only one club !!
Winning and being competitive are too completely different parameters.
You can dance around all you like, you enter a competition to win it.
Venue picked??
Surely Armagh??
Slaughneil play Killyclogher off the park and Dominic Corrigan in Tyrone Herald cries about the ref. ::)
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2016, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 13, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
Also, it hardly matters a fcuk who has the best championship if your own club didn't win it.
Nope you're right, but just odd that there is only one winner from Tyrone.
Armagh and Derry are the only counties who have produced more than 2 clubs who have won it so I wouldn't say it's that odd.
Derry (6)
Armagh (3)
Antrim, Down, Monaghan (2)
Donegal and Tyrone (1)
Fermanagh and Cavan (0)
Odd being Tyrone football is so competitive that having only one club !!
Winning and being competitive are too completely different parameters.
You can dance around all you like, you enter a competition to win it.
Venue picked??
I'm not the one dancing around anything. I am merely correcting you on the nonsense you put forward and yout fast and loose interpretation of words.
The Kilcoo manager is tapping in to his Ballinderry friends and his Father who is currently Director of Football in Derry about how to beat Slaughneil.Be very interesting game in two weeks,needle a plenty.
Does Ballinderry know how to beat Slaughneil? :D
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
Quote from: skeog on November 14, 2016, 11:29:34 AM
The Kilcoo manager is tapping in to his Ballinderry friends and his Father who is currently Director of Football in Derry about how to beat Slaughneil.Be very interesting game in two weeks,needle a plenty.
Quote from: railrail on November 10, 2016, 12:42:04 PM
See articles in the papers this week about how much Killyclogher know about Sneil.
In Derry, we know far more about them and we still couldn't stop them.
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
In the interests of clarity - I think the point being made by most sane Tyrone posters, (but people like yourself most likely have ignored on purpose) is that Tyrone have the most
competitive championship and the fact to back that up was the number of different winners in the last few years. I don't think that this is disputable. Is it?
The Ulster final is the one that most people would have predicted at the outset of the competition. It is a hard match to call and will be a dogfight that could go either way but Slaughtneill have done it before and Kilcoo have struggled to get over the line in Ulster so if pushed I'd favour the Derry men to just edge it.
Tyrone Championship might be competitive but it isn't as good a standard as Derry.
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Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
In the interests of clarity - I think the point being made by most sane Tyrone posters, (but people like yourself most likely have ignored on purpose) is that Tyrone have the most competitive championship and the fact to back that up was the number of different winners in the last few years. I don't think that this is disputable. Is it?
The insinuation from fellow deluded tyronies of course is that having competitiveness means it's a better championship which we both know is a wee lie. I'm sure attention will quickly turn to the McKenna cup anyway while the serious clubs Kilcoo and Slaughtneil can get down to business.
Ps by my reckoning it is the turn of those pleasant folk from ardboe for 2017!
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2016, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
In the interests of clarity - I think the point being made by most sane Tyrone posters, (but people like yourself most likely have ignored on purpose) is that Tyrone have the most competitive championship and the fact to back that up was the number of different winners in the last few years. I don't think that this is disputable. Is it?
The insinuation from fellow deluded tyronies of course is that having competitiveness means it's a better championship which we both know is a wee lie. I'm sure attention will quickly turn to the McKenna cup anyway while the serious clubs Kilcoo and Slaughtneil can get down to business.
Ps by my reckoning it is the turn of those pleasant folk from ardboe for 2017!
serious club with so many Ulster titles... ::)
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 12:51:33 PM
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Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
In the interests of clarity - I think the point being made by most sane Tyrone posters, (but people like yourself most likely have ignored on purpose) is that Tyrone have the most competitive championship and the fact to back that up was the number of different winners in the last few years. I don't think that this is disputable. Is it?
The insinuation from fellow deluded tyronies of course is that having competitiveness means it's a better championship which we both know is a wee lie. I'm sure attention will quickly turn to the McKenna cup anyway while the serious clubs Kilcoo and Slaughtneil can get down to business.
Ps by my reckoning it is the turn of those pleasant folk from ardboe for 2017!
No it doesn't. Is Ulster the best provincial championship? Is it the most competitive? Some might say yes to both. Some might not. You want the big bad "Tyronies" to be bragging about the championship being the best because it fits whatever strange narrative you want to bring to the debate. All I'm saying, and most Tyrone posters are saying is that it is the most competitive - is that clear enough for you?
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Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2016, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
In the interests of clarity - I think the point being made by most sane Tyrone posters, (but people like yourself most likely have ignored on purpose) is that Tyrone have the most competitive championship and the fact to back that up was the number of different winners in the last few years. I don't think that this is disputable. Is it?
The insinuation from fellow deluded tyronies of course is that having competitiveness means it's a better championship which we both know is a wee lie. I'm sure attention will quickly turn to the McKenna cup anyway while the serious clubs Kilcoo and Slaughtneil can get down to business.
Ps by my reckoning it is the turn of those pleasant folk from ardboe for 2017!
serious club with so many Ulster titles... ::)
As opposed to who? Slaughtneil, Maghery, Killyclogher, Glenswilly, Scotstown, Ramor, Cargin, Derrygonnelly? With a grand total of 5 between them? 4 of which were won by Scotstown who Kilcoo fuckin bate! Ye dick!
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Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
In the interests of clarity - I think the point being made by most sane Tyrone posters, (but people like yourself most likely have ignored on purpose) is that Tyrone have the most competitive championship and the fact to back that up was the number of different winners in the last few years. I don't think that this is disputable. Is it?
The insinuation from fellow deluded tyronies of course is that having competitiveness means it's a better championship which we both know is a wee lie. I'm sure attention will quickly turn to the McKenna cup anyway while the serious clubs Kilcoo and Slaughtneil can get down to business.
Ps by my reckoning it is the turn of those pleasant folk from ardboe for 2017!
No it doesn't. Is Ulster the best provincial championship? Is it the most competitive? Some might say yes to both. Some might not. You want the big bad "Tyronies" to be bragging about the championship being the best because it fits whatever strange narrative you want to bring to the debate. All I'm saying, and most Tyrone posters are saying is that it is the most competitive - is that clear enough for you?
Is it as competitive as the Armagh junior championship?
Answer: NO
Every year is a bad year in Armagh do you live under a rock? Difference is we aren't deluded
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Quote from: DownFanatic on November 08, 2016, 01:02:53 PM
Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Wouldn't be so sure. I fancy Maghery at 4/1. If they can stem the influence of Laverty they have every chance.
... not deluded? ... hope you didn't have your Christmas money on them!
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Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2016, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
So in the interests of clarity.. Tyrone has the best club championship in Ulster despite not producing any winners except one (two?) club who won it twice. Tyrone don't win Ulster apparently because they don't have any super clubs.. whatever a super club is 🤔
In the interests of clarity - I think the point being made by most sane Tyrone posters, (but people like yourself most likely have ignored on purpose) is that Tyrone have the most competitive championship and the fact to back that up was the number of different winners in the last few years. I don't think that this is disputable. Is it?
The insinuation from fellow deluded tyronies of course is that having competitiveness means it's a better championship which we both know is a wee lie. I'm sure attention will quickly turn to the McKenna cup anyway while the serious clubs Kilcoo and Slaughtneil can get down to business.
Ps by my reckoning it is the turn of those pleasant folk from ardboe for 2017!
No it doesn't. Is Ulster the best provincial championship? Is it the most competitive? Some might say yes to both. Some might not. You want the big bad "Tyronies" to be bragging about the championship being the best because it fits whatever strange narrative you want to bring to the debate. All I'm saying, and most Tyrone posters are saying is that it is the most competitive - is that clear enough for you?
Is it as competitive as the Armagh junior championship?
Answer: NO
Is that the competition Maghery won this year?
No benny that would be the Armagh sfc, easy to confuse the two although to be fair a few Ulster/ai senior winners have came out of it so it can't be all that bad ;)
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Kilcoo will have too much craft for Maghery.
Be interesting to see if Slaughtneil have the legs for a buoyant Killyclogher.
Wouldn't be so sure. I fancy Maghery at 4/1. If they can stem the influence of Laverty they have every chance.
... not deluded? ... hope you didn't have your Christmas money on them!
Naw ya don't call me fergus
All this talk of who has the best championship is futile to be honest! Of the past 20 senior club championships something like 17 have been won by eithor Armagh (ie Cross) or Derry teams, that stat is enough to say Tyrone teams just aren't good enough when they come out of Tyrone, but the same can also be said about Cavan, Donegal, Down etc!
I cant see any team in Tyrone making that breakthrough anytime soon, too many teams at the same sort of level.
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 03:16:03 PM
No benny that would be the Armagh sfc, easy to confuse the two although to be fair a few Ulster/ai senior winners have came out of it so it can't be all that bad ;)
Aye, theres a few Ulster and All Ireland medals knocking around Tyrone too you know.
Quote from: jp2020 on November 14, 2016, 03:35:43 PM
All this talk of who has the best championship is futile to be honest! Of the past 20 senior club championships something like 17 have been won by eithor Armagh (ie Cross) or Derry teams, that stat is enough to say Tyrone teams just aren't good enough when they come out of Tyrone, but the same can also be said about Cavan, Donegal, Down etc!
I cant see any team in Tyrone making that breakthrough anytime soon, too many teams at the same sort of level.
To be fair, that is the real reason. There is no stand-out club in Tyrone at present like in Armagh, Monaghan or Derry. 10-15 years ago possibly you could have said Errigal but they have faded off the scene in recent seasons. The standard is very consistent but it is still below the top level in Ulster - Tyrone teams have to fit in a championship in 6 weeks in recent years and as someone previously said any one of 9 could win so they all give it their best to try and win it and are physically and mentally finished by the time the Ulster comes along - this is not an excuse, just reality. However, certainly going by reports nobody in Tyrone is at the level of Slaughtneil or Kilcoo it appears and that cannot be denied. Certainly they may beat them in a one-off game but they cannot sustain that level of performance to win 3 big games in a row against that level of opponent which is what is required if you want to win Ulster...
it could be a few years before there is a dominant team in Tyrone again and longer before there maybe a provincial winner.
as regards the reason why they are very strong at IFC and JFC level - I honestly cannot explain that, as those both 2 championships are very competitive also in the same way as the senior but for some strange reason they fare much better when in the Ulster series at IFC and JFC level.
In Cavan we have had five different winners the last five years but none have made an impression. It's years since we had a team in final. However Ramor who won this year had 10 u21s so expect them to challenge. Unlucky this year with full two of their better players injured for Maghery, then a black card to two vital players plus a corner back injured in warm up.
Beg my ignorance, but is the point of each county championship not to determine the best team in that county at knockout football? Therefore the best selected team would go on as representatives of their county in the provincial club championship to determine the best team in the province?
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest, surly their county champions would have more of an impact in the ulster series than they have? Surly the tougher run of games will stand to them better?
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest
Urgh. F**k me.
I'm not a Tyrone man, but even I'll step in to defend what was said at this point to try and stop this pointless bullsh!te.
The fact that more teams can realistically win it and each team has to play nearer 100% of their potential on any given day to win in it doesn't mean its of a higher standard than another county's championship.
Swap out "more competitive" for "more evenly balanced" if it makes you sleep better at night.
(At no point did anyone say the Tyrone SFC was superior to that in any other county)
Quote from: DennistheMenace on November 14, 2016, 12:18:59 PM
Tyrone Championship might be competitive but it isn't as good a standard as Derry.
There's only two sides in Derry at the minute, Ballinderry and Slaughtneil has been the de facto final for the last number of years.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
Beg my ignorance, but is the point of each county championship not to determine the best team in that county at knockout football? Therefore the best selected team would go on as representatives of their county in the provincial club championship to determine the best team in the province?
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest, surly their county champions would have more of an impact in the ulster series than they have? Surly the tougher run of games will stand to them better?
One championship can return 7 different winner in 7 years while it's the same faces coming out of Derry/Armagh/Down/Monaghan for the most part.
No Tyrone club would be in the top 5 club sides in Ulster but I don't think you'd find 7/8 club sides in any of the aforementioned counties who could hold their own like sides from Tyrone do. Look at Maghery getting a 13 point tanking yesterday. The county champions are not an overall measure of the quality of their respective championships as some here are inferring - the fact that these clubs are winning multiple titles on the trot would suggest that the quality of those championships may not be all they are proclaimed to be.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 06:39:30 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
Beg my ignorance, but is the point of each county championship not to determine the best team in that county at knockout football? Therefore the best selected team would go on as representatives of their county in the provincial club championship to determine the best team in the province?
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest, surly their county champions would have more of an impact in the ulster series than they have? Surly the tougher run of games will stand to them better?
One championship can return 7 different winner in 7 years while it's the same faces coming out of Derry/Armagh/Down/Monaghan for the most part.
No Tyrone club would be in the top 5 club sides in Ulster but I don't think you'd find 7/8 club sides in any of the aforementioned counties who could hold their own like sides from Tyrone do. Look at Maghery getting a 13 point tanking yesterday. The county champions are not an overall measure of the quality of their respective championships as some here are inferring - the fact that these clubs are winning multiple titles on the trot would suggest that the quality of those championships may not be all they are proclaimed to be.
If Maghery had have played with everyone behind the ball like Killyclogher the match would have been much closer.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 14, 2016, 06:14:16 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest
Urgh. F**k me.
I'm not a Tyrone man, but even I'll step in to defend what was said at this point to try and stop this pointless bullsh!te.
The fact that more teams can realistically win it and each team has to play nearer 100% of their potential on any given day to win in it doesn't mean its of a higher standard than another county's championship.
Swap out "more competitive" for "more evenly balanced" if it makes you sleep better at night.
(At no point did anyone say the Tyrone SFC was superior to that in any other county)
Did someone not famously say 9 Tyrone teams could win Ulster... Now what other county could boast something similar?
did Coalisland not get humped by 14 points in the uber competitive Tyrone final?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 14, 2016, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 14, 2016, 06:14:16 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest
Urgh. F**k me.
I'm not a Tyrone man, but even I'll step in to defend what was said at this point to try and stop this pointless bullsh!te.
The fact that more teams can realistically win it and each team has to play nearer 100% of their potential on any given day to win in it doesn't mean its of a higher standard than another county's championship.
Swap out "more competitive" for "more evenly balanced" if it makes you sleep better at night.
(At no point did anyone say the Tyrone SFC was superior to that in any other county)
Did someone not famously say 9 Tyrone teams could win Ulster... Now what other county could boast something similar?
Nobody said that, you must have a vivid imagination.
Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
did Coalisland not get humped by 14 points in the uber competitive Tyrone final?
In a replay.
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.
Quote from: Throw ball on November 14, 2016, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 06:39:30 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
Beg my ignorance, but is the point of each county championship not to determine the best team in that county at knockout football? Therefore the best selected team would go on as representatives of their county in the provincial club championship to determine the best team in the province?
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest, surly their county champions would have more of an impact in the ulster series than they have? Surly the tougher run of games will stand to them better?
One championship can return 7 different winner in 7 years while it's the same faces coming out of Derry/Armagh/Down/Monaghan for the most part.
No Tyrone club would be in the top 5 club sides in Ulster but I don't think you'd find 7/8 club sides in any of the aforementioned counties who could hold their own like sides from Tyrone do. Look at Maghery getting a 13 point tanking yesterday. The county champions are not an overall measure of the quality of their respective championships as some here are inferring - the fact that these clubs are winning multiple titles on the trot would suggest that the quality of those championships may not be all they are proclaimed to be.
If Maghery had have played with everyone behind the ball like Killyclogher the match would have been much closer.
Ifs, buts and maybes.
Maghery took a tanking.
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.
Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
In fact Kilcoo have won their last 5 Down titles by a combined total of 35 points.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.
Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
Yes but there has generally only been a point or 2 between the 2 teams. I.e Burren and Kilcoo. Luck of draw they keep running into each other.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 08:00:16 PM
In fact Kilcoo have won their last 5 Down titles by a combined total of 35 points.
Only because they met Burren in earlier round. If those 2 where in final it would be tight.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 14, 2016, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 06:39:30 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
Beg my ignorance, but is the point of each county championship not to determine the best team in that county at knockout football? Therefore the best selected team would go on as representatives of their county in the provincial club championship to determine the best team in the province?
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest, surly their county champions would have more of an impact in the ulster series than they have? Surly the tougher run of games will stand to them better?
One championship can return 7 different winner in 7 years while it's the same faces coming out of Derry/Armagh/Down/Monaghan for the most part.
No Tyrone club would be in the top 5 club sides in Ulster but I don't think you'd find 7/8 club sides in any of the aforementioned counties who could hold their own like sides from Tyrone do. Look at Maghery getting a 13 point tanking yesterday. The county champions are not an overall measure of the quality of their respective championships as some here are inferring - the fact that these clubs are winning multiple titles on the trot would suggest that the quality of those championships may not be all they are proclaimed to be.
If Maghery had have played with everyone behind the ball like Killyclogher the match would have been much closer.
Ifs, buts and maybes.
Maghery took a tanking.
As did killyclogher. It was a 6 point massacre in the eyes of most people.
There is no hiding from two titles (one club) since it started in 1968....
Talk of seven different winners last seven years. Brilliant.. what was the reason prior to that? There has been dominat teams in Tyrone, just more dominant clubs from other countries...
Cavan gaels should have won at least one and so should gave Enniskillen gaels, great teams who with a bounce of the ball lost out...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2016, 08:08:23 PM
There is no hiding from two titles (one club) since it started in 1968....
Talk of seven different winners last seven years. Brilliant.. what was the reason prior to that? There has been dominat teams in Tyrone, just more dominant clubs from other countries...
Cavan gaels should have won at least one and so should gave Enniskillen gaels, great teams who with a bounce of the ball lost out...
Because one club says nothing about the quality of a county championship, it just tells you about the quality of that particular team.
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.
Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
Yes but there has generally only been a point or 2 between the 2 teams. I.e Burren and Kilcoo. Luck of draw they keep running into each other.
Why can't Burren beat Kilcoo when it matters so. The last time they met in a county final, Kilcoo won by 11 points. Kilcoo are far ahead of anything in Down at the minute, 5 titles on the trot tells you everything you need to know in that regard.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 08:19:56 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.
Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
Yes but there has generally only been a point or 2 between the 2 teams. I.e Burren and Kilcoo. Luck of draw they keep running into each other.
Why can't Burren beat Kilcoo when it matters so. The last time they met in a county final, Kilcoo won by 11 points. Kilcoo are far ahead of anything in Down at the minute, 5 titles on the trot tells you everything you need to know in that regard.
Bomber by your own admission you don't even watch club football in Tyrone. What are you talking about ?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2016, 08:08:23 PM
There is no hiding from two titles (one club) since it started in 1968....
Talk of seven different winners last seven years. Brilliant.. what was the reason prior to that? There has been dominat teams in Tyrone, just more dominant clubs from other countries...
Cavan gaels should have won at least one and so should gave Enniskillen gaels, great teams who with a bounce of the ball lost out...
Because one club says nothing about the quality of a county championship, it just tells you about the quality of that particular team.
7 different winners in 7 years doesn't say much either other than the teams are fairly similar. Take Cross out of Armagh and you could have 7 different winners. There has been 9 different winners of the down junior championship in 10 years. Derry seem to be strongest county given the number of different winners over last 25 years.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 08:19:56 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.
Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
Yes but there has generally only been a point or 2 between the 2 teams. I.e Burren and Kilcoo. Luck of draw they keep running into each other.
Why can't Burren beat Kilcoo when it matters so. The last time they met in a county final, Kilcoo won by 11 points. Kilcoo are far ahead of anything in Down at the minute, 5 titles on the trot tells you everything you need to know in that regard.
And still no Ulster so winning five in a row means??
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2016, 08:08:23 PM
There is no hiding from two titles (one club) since it started in 1968....
Talk of seven different winners last seven years. Brilliant.. what was the reason prior to that? There has been dominat teams in Tyrone, just more dominant clubs from other countries...
Cavan gaels should have won at least one and so should gave Enniskillen gaels, great teams who with a bounce of the ball lost out...
Because one club says nothing about the quality of a county championship, it just tells you about the quality of that particular team.
You usually talk rubbish bomber but that statement is very true! Some of the years st galls won the runners up would barely have been in the senior championship in other counties.
You do seem more likely to win it out of derry though. I would say armagh but that would be cross only obviously. Other than derry the winners from most other counties seem to tend to be, on average, lower quality.
I do however think kilcoo might win this year.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2016, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2016, 08:08:23 PM
There is no hiding from two titles (one club) since it started in 1968....
Talk of seven different winners last seven years. Brilliant.. what was the reason prior to that? There has been dominat teams in Tyrone, just more dominant clubs from other countries...
Cavan gaels should have won at least one and so should gave Enniskillen gaels, great teams who with a bounce of the ball lost out...
Because one club says nothing about the quality of a county championship, it just tells you about the quality of that particular team.
You usually talk rubbish bomber but that statement is very true! Some of the years st galls won the runners up would barely have been in the senior championship in other counties.
You do seem more likely to win it out of derry though. I would say armagh but that would be cross only obviously. Other than derry the winners from most other counties seem to tend to be, on average, lower quality.
I do however think kilcoo might win this year.
Competitive in Tyrone yes I agree but outside against other clubs from other counties they haven't filled their so called potential, we can only base it on results and ultimately they have failed miserably on that score
Yeah it pretty much would be a higher average standard and a lower high standard...
To be fair i think tyrone clubs would be competitive with at least 4 or 5 counties at present and omagh were very close to winning the other year. They wouldn't beat cross, kilcoo, slaughtneil and possibly scotstown but i would expect them to probably beat the rest. (I would expect cross back next year)
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 08:19:56 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.
Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
Yes but there has generally only been a point or 2 between the 2 teams. I.e Burren and Kilcoo. Luck of draw they keep running into each other.
Why can't Burren beat Kilcoo when it matters so. The last time they met in a county final, Kilcoo won by 11 points. Kilcoo are far ahead of anything in Down at the minute, 5 titles on the trot tells you everything you need to know in that regard.
You'll have to ask some Burren ones that.
09 Aug 2015 Burren 2.13 v 2.10 Kilcoo (AET)
13 Sep 2015 Burren 1.9 v 2.7 Kilcoo
07Aug 2016 Kilcoo 1.7 v 2.10 Burren
11 Sep 2016 Kilcoo 4.7 v 2.8 Burren
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Since 1990 Derry have below winners of Ulster championship
Lavey (2) (1 AI)
Bellaghy (1) (AI finalist)
Dungiven (1)
Ballinderry (2) (1 AI)
The Loup (1)
Slaughtneil (1) (AI finalist)
and below runners up
The Loup
Ballinderry (2)
Bellaghy(3)
Tyrone have had below ulster champion winners
Errigal Ciaran (2)
and below runners up
Errigal Ciaran (1)
Omagh (1)
Quote from: JoG2 on November 14, 2016, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 14, 2016, 06:14:16 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
If the Tyrone championship is superior to the rest
Urgh. F**k me.
I'm not a Tyrone man, but even I'll step in to defend what was said at this point to try and stop this pointless bullsh!te.
The fact that more teams can realistically win it and each team has to play nearer 100% of their potential on any given day to win in it doesn't mean its of a higher standard than another county's championship.
Swap out "more competitive" for "more evenly balanced" if it makes you sleep better at night.
(At no point did anyone say the Tyrone SFC was superior to that in any other county)
Did someone not famously say 9 Tyrone teams could win Ulster... Now what other county could boast something similar?
Rock and Pomeroy. Who's the other 7? ;)
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.
What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.
In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.
On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.
What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.
In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.
On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
All about opinions I suppose, Dublin championship would be the strongest in the last ten years for sure... and the likes of Rhode and Portlaois would prop up the rest of Leinster!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.
What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.
In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.
On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
Your argument doesn't add up. Coleraine lost the final last year by a point. The year before Slaughtneil won the county final with a last minute goal that was arguably not over the line and then got to the all ireland final. I've already shown that Burren are not far off Kilcoo. There is no evidence at all that the Tyrone championship is stronger than any other county.
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.
What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.
In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.
On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
Your argument doesn't add up. Coleraine lost the final last year by a point. The year before Slaughtneil won the county final with a last minute goal that was arguably not over the line and then got to the all ireland final. I've already shown that Burren are not far off Kilcoo. There is no evidence at all that the Tyrone championship is stronger than any other county.
My argument does add up, the same clubs come out of those Championships year on year on year. If The Burren were not far off Kilcoo then Kilcoo would not have won 5 titles on the trot and hammering Burren when it matters.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.
What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.
In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.
On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
Your argument doesn't add up. Coleraine lost the final last year by a point. The year before Slaughtneil won the county final with a last minute goal that was arguably not over the line and then got to the all ireland final. I've already shown that Burren are not far off Kilcoo. There is no evidence at all that the Tyrone championship is stronger than any other county.
My argument does add up, the same clubs come out of those Championships year on year on year. If The Burren were not far off Kilcoo then Kilcoo would not have won 5 titles on the trot and hammering Burren when it matters.
09 Aug 2015 Burren 2.13 v 2.10 Kilcoo (AET)
13 Sep 2015 Burren 1.9 v 2.7 Kilcoo
07Aug 2016 Kilcoo 1.7 v 2.10 Burren
11 Sep 2016 Kilcoo 4.7 v 2.8 Burren
Ok whatever on Burren. Look up the list of Derry championship finals if you think it's the same teams.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2016, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.
What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.
In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.
On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
All about opinions I suppose, Dublin championship would be the strongest in the last ten years for sure... and the likes of Rhode and Portlaois would prop up the rest of Leinster!
I was referring to county level as the contrast. Dublin have won four of the last six AIs yet there hasn't been another side from Leinster in that time who have looked close to breaking the last four.
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 14, 2016, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.
What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.
In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.
On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
Your argument doesn't add up. Coleraine lost the final last year by a point. The year before Slaughtneil won the county final with a last minute goal that was arguably not over the line and then got to the all ireland final. I've already shown that Burren are not far off Kilcoo. There is no evidence at all that the Tyrone championship is stronger than any other county.
My argument does add up, the same clubs come out of those Championships year on year on year. If The Burren were not far off Kilcoo then Kilcoo would not have won 5 titles on the trot and hammering Burren when it matters.
09 Aug 2015 Burren 2.13 v 2.10 Kilcoo (AET)
13 Sep 2015 Burren 1.9 v 2.7 Kilcoo
07Aug 2016 Kilcoo 1.7 v 2.10 Burren
11 Sep 2016 Kilcoo 4.7 v 2.8 Burren
Ok whatever on Burren. Look up the list of Derry championship finals if you think it's the same teams.
Finals don't necessitate the spread. I have said both Monaghan and Derry are duopolies. Ballinderry and Slaughtneil have shared the last 6 titles between them in Derry, when they meet it is more or less the de facto final, the same could apply to Monaghan with Clontibret and Scotstown.
These are recent stats you are discussing? Last seven years? But this competition is a lot longer so can you do the figures for that?
f**k up now the pair of Yous
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 14, 2016, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that "competitive" teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they "walked" through their championships without challenge which is bull.
From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster. The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?
Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Let's make this clear for the hard of thinking.
I said that Tyrone arguably has the most competitive senior club championship in Ulster. That doesn't mean that it is necessarily the highest caliber among all of them, and IMHO it isn't. For much of the last several decades the Ulster Intercounty Football Championship was the most competitive of the four in terms of teams who could beat each other but at the same time it was perhaps the weakest, fighting alongside Connacht for that claim. For much of the 70's & 80's an Ulster county reaching an All-Ireland final was a major scalp in its own right usually after coming up against Connacht opponents in the semis.
I also said that there could be a number of reasons why Tyrone sides have failed to make much of an impact beyond county borders, but that the fact is that Tyrone reps in the Ulster club SFC competition by and large simply haven't been good enough. Killyclogher were simply not good enough yesterday to overcome Slaughtneil.
OTOH the same competition at Intermediate & Junior levels have seen clubs from Tyrone - and Monaghan - produce a good record and unsurprisingly it is teams from both counties that will be in both finals. Can't speak for Monaghan, but evidence would appear to indicate that the gaps in playing standards between Senior to Intermediate, and Intermediate to Junior in Tyrone are maybe not as wide as they are in several other Ulster counties.
Now enough of this bullshít and let's get the thread back on track to the final between what I'd regard as the two best club sides in Ulster at present.
On that note. I can't see Lavery getting anything like the space he got against the Maghery defence. He ran the show. Glenswilly bottled him up rightly in the previous game and he had to move out the pitch in the second half to get into the game, were he is less of a threat.
Quote from: redzone on November 14, 2016, 10:43:30 PM
f**k up now the pair of Yous
I know I should but ... right I'll not discuss it anymore
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2016, 10:36:43 PM
These are recent stats you are discussing? Last seven years? But this competition is a lot longer so can you do the figures for that?
Ive lost the run of this debate at this stage. What exactly is the point you have arguing here for the past day or so, Milltown? Is it that the Tyrone championship isn't competitive? Or that it is just poor quality? Either way you're like a dog with a bone. Not sure why it matters so much. But it's good to have something futile to focus the mind in the off season, I suppose.
Edit: Taking into account your last post, you can disregard this one! 😃
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2016, 10:58:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2016, 10:36:43 PM
These are recent stats you are discussing? Last seven years? But this competition is a lot longer so can you do the figures for that?
Ive lost the run of this debate at this stage. What exactly is the point you have arguing here for the past day or so, Milltown? Is it that the Tyrone championship isn't competitive? Or that it is just poor quality? Either way you're like a dog with a bone. Not sure why it matters so much. But it's good to have something futile to focus the mind in the off season, I suppose.
Edit: Taking into account your last post, you can disregard this one! 😃
;D some eejit was confused and yes I was like a dog with a bone!! Stupid I know
the tyrone championship is the most competitive in ulster in terms of the teams that can win it 7 diff winners in the last 7 years. however bar omagh no tyrone team has reached an ulster final in the last 20 years. this is a poor record for a county that is as competitive. however i think there are mitigating factors. firstly since 2000 the tyrone county team success has diluted the club scene in tyrone. all energy is pointed at garvaghey to the detriment of the clubs. its no surprise when tyrone are dumped out early the senior club championship is better. omagh benefitted from tyrones early exit in 2014. they had their 6 players back early and had time between matches to properly prepare. i think the derry and armagh clubs and antrim (st galls) have benefitted from early county exits. secondly crossmaglen ballinderry st galls have dominated the ulster club scene since 2000 superb all ireland winning sides. winning ulster in that period isnt easy. it took an excellent errigal team with the greatest player ive ever seen time and patience to get over the line. killyclogher looked poor on sunday (hence club football in tyrone must be poor) however slaughtneil are a superbly conditioned and smart team. and in rodgers at full back mckaigue centre back bradley and cassidy midfield sammy bradley centre half forward and mcguigan at full forward they have a county spine and id argue as good a club spine as there is in the country. this maybe is slaughtneils time i thought they were magnificent in the tackle and there control of the game in the last 20 mins was on a different level to anything ive seen in club football this year. does that mean killyclogher and tyrone football is shite? or maybe like our county team we need to be realistic? that there are better teams out there.
Kilcoo should take Slaughtneil in a couple of weeks. Jerome Johnston back fit after Christmas and you never know where they'll end up.
What's the AI semi fixtures for senior?
I fancy Kilcoo to win this too. Will be an absolute humdinger.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 15, 2016, 05:32:29 PM
What's the AI semi fixtures for senior?
I think the Ulster champions are in London pre Christmas for the AI 1/4 final. After that I'm not sure. Kilcoo won't beat Slaughtneil minus Johnson.
Tough tackling teams and well managed ... think S'neil will win midfield but Kilcoo have better forwards!! Hard to call that's why I said a draw!
It will be a war of attrition that would take a brave man to call. Recent Ulster club finals have produced some classic games and I expect this to be another one.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 15, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
It will be a war of attrition that would take a brave man to call. Recent Ulster club finals have produced some classic games and I expect this to be another one.
Has the venue been announced? I assume the athletic grounds?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2016, 08:13:44 PM
Tough tackling teams and well managed ... think S'neil will win midfield but Kilcoo have better forwards!! Hard to call that's why I said a draw!
I'd tend to agree with all that, but you look at the Neillers back division.. Twin, Rogers, the McKaguies, young Feeny and McNeil screened by Patsy and Cassidy. That's a serious club defensive unit
Should be a great battle. You wouldn't rule out a draw
The 2016 AIB GAA #Ulsterclub
Football Championship Finals will take place on Sunday November 27th:
UCFC Senior Final -
Slaughtneil GAC v Kilcoo GAC at Athletic Grounds 2.30pm
UCFC Intermediate Final -
Pomeroy Plunketts GAC v Donaghmoyne Gaa at Páirc Esler 2.30pm
UCFC Junior Final -
Rock v Blackhill Emeralds GAA at Páirc Esler 12.30pm
Quote from: snoopdog on November 15, 2016, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 15, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
It will be a war of attrition that would take a brave man to call. Recent Ulster club finals have produced some classic games and I expect this to be another one.
Has the venue been announced? I assume the athletic grounds?
Athletic Grounds at 2.30pm. Pity they couldn't have played it at 6pm under lights.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 15, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 15, 2016, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 15, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
It will be a war of attrition that would take a brave man to call. Recent Ulster club finals have produced some classic games and I expect this to be another one.
Has the venue been announced? I assume the athletic grounds?
Athletic Grounds at 2.30pm. Pity they couldn't have played it at 6pm under lights.
This time of year the lights might be needed anyway.
It will be interesting to see how Slaughtneil deal with Niall Kane's kick outs as he more or less goes short every time. Rarely a long ball goes out to midfielders McGreevy or McClean.
From what I've seen so far no team has really been able to cope with Kilcoo breaking from deep. Daryl and Aaron Branagan are the main protagonists here. Slaughtneil's forwards will have to do a serious amount of chasing back.
Chrissy McKaigue be tasked with Laverty and Rogers on Johnston?
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 16, 2016, 10:51:52 AM
It will be interesting to see how Slaughtneil deal with Niall Kane's kick outs as he more or less goes short every time. Rarely a long ball goes out to midfielders McGreevy or McClean.
From what I've seen so far no team has really been able to cope with Kilcoo breaking from deep. Daryl and Aaron Branagan are the main protagonists here. Slaughtneil's forwards will have to do a serious amount of chasing back.
Chrissy McKaigue be tasked with Laverty and Rogers on Johnston?
The Slaughtneil forwards are shy of workrate. Karl McKaigue on Laverty i'd say. Chrissy may pick up Johnson. Is O'Hanlon not the real star in this Kilcoo side??
I suspect you mean aren't...
I really don't think Chrissy McKaigue would suit marking Laverty at all and suspect you are right that the younger McKaigue will mark him. Laverty is a hugely influential player who would be an absolute nightmare to mark.
This should be a close game. Hard to call. I have a feeling Kilcoo will win but could be wrong. Slaughtneil look to have improved a good bit this year with some younger guys in the half back line looking very good.
Sorry I mean aren't. It isn't in the DNA up there.
Yeah wee Feeney has added real pace and Cassidy in midfield and McGrath in half forward are athletes.
Its a shame Jerome Johnson will be missing but promises to be a cracker. Kilcoo seem a tough outfit which is not something usually associated with Down sides.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 16, 2016, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 16, 2016, 10:51:52 AM
It will be interesting to see how Slaughtneil deal with Niall Kane's kick outs as he more or less goes short every time. Rarely a long ball goes out to midfielders McGreevy or McClean.
From what I've seen so far no team has really been able to cope with Kilcoo breaking from deep. Daryl and Aaron Branagan are the main protagonists here. Slaughtneil's forwards will have to do a serious amount of chasing back.
Chrissy McKaigue be tasked with Laverty and Rogers on Johnston?
The Slaughtneil forwards are shy of workrate. Karl McKaigue on Laverty i'd say. Chrissy may pick up Johnson. Is O'Hanlon not the real star in this Kilcoo side??
Not for me. Daryl Branagan and Laverty are their two most important players for me IMO.
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 16, 2016, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 16, 2016, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 16, 2016, 10:51:52 AM
It will be interesting to see how Slaughtneil deal with Niall Kane's kick outs as he more or less goes short every time. Rarely a long ball goes out to midfielders McGreevy or McClean.
From what I've seen so far no team has really been able to cope with Kilcoo breaking from deep. Daryl and Aaron Branagan are the main protagonists here. Slaughtneil's forwards will have to do a serious amount of chasing back.
Chrissy McKaigue be tasked with Laverty and Rogers on Johnston?
The Slaughtneil forwards are shy of workrate. Karl McKaigue on Laverty i'd say. Chrissy may pick up Johnson. Is O'Hanlon not the real star in this Kilcoo side??
Not for me. Daryl Branagan and Laverty are their two most important players for me IMO.
Don't underestimate Paul Devlin influence - he is a superb link man and passing is second to none to the inside men particularly Laverty. A great game awaits.
Cannot understand why they couldn't have fitted in these 3 games over the Sat night and Sun afternoon. Now nobody can get to both venues and have to make a decision on which venue to attend. unfortunate to say the least.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 15, 2016, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 15, 2016, 05:32:29 PM
What's the AI semi fixtures for senior?
I think the Ulster champions are in London pre Christmas for the AI 1/4 final. After that I'm not sure. Kilcoo won't beat Slaughtneil minus Johnson.
Yeah weekend of 10th/11th December. Who are the British reps?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2016, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 15, 2016, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 15, 2016, 05:32:29 PM
What's the AI semi fixtures for senior?
I think the Ulster champions are in London pre Christmas for the AI 1/4 final. After that I'm not sure. Kilcoo won't beat Slaughtneil minus Johnson.
Yeah weekend of 10th/11th December. Who are the British reps?
St Kiernan's
I've a feeling Kilcoo will edge it even without Jerome Johnston. Slaughtneil have a tough defence but Laverty is practically unmarkable and will dive/buy frees at every opportunity. Kilcoos weakness is midfield and expect Slaughtneil to clean up here. Kilcoo weren't really tested against Maghery who were unbelievably naive in the space they afforded Laverty and not having anyone capable of stopping Ryan Johnston who was pivotal throughout. Doubt they'll get as much space v Slaughtneil, pressure is on them to get the clean sweep, think the magpies will ruin the party
Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
I've a feeling Kilcoo will edge it even without Jerome Johnston. Slaughtneil have a tough defence but Laverty is practically unmarkable and will dive/buy frees at every opportunity. Kilcoos weakness is midfield and expect Slaughtneil to clean up here. Kilcoo weren't really tested against Maghery who were unbelievably naive in the space they afforded Laverty and not having anyone capable of stopping Ryan Johnston who was pivotal throughout. Doubt they'll get as much space v Slaughtneil, pressure is on them to get the clean sweep, think the magpies will ruin the party
would drive a man around the bend, ref announced yet?
I think it will be Sean Hurson from Tyrone or Joe McQuillan to ref the final but maybe not.
Couple of high profile ref ruled out as they from the counties involved.
Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
I've a feeling Kilcoo will edge it even without Jerome Johnston. Slaughtneil have a tough defence but Laverty is practically unmarkable and will dive/buy frees at every opportunity. Kilcoos weakness is midfield and expect Slaughtneil to clean up here. Kilcoo weren't really tested against Maghery who were unbelievably naive in the space they afforded Laverty and not having anyone capable of stopping Ryan Johnston who was pivotal throughout. Doubt they'll get as much space v Slaughtneil, pressure is on them to get the clean sweep, think the magpies will ruin the party
Kilcoo are under as much pressure themselves, possibly more, having never won an Ulster title despite undisputed dominance in Down. I agree with your analysis though, if they tie up Laverty (ie avoid conceding score able free kicks since this is his speciality) and nullify Johnston then Slaughtneill have a good chance. However I wouldn't be surprised to see a low scoring 12 points each scoreline or something along those lines. Both sides are counter attacking teams and when 2 defensive set ups collide it could lead to a slug fest. That won't make it any less interesting, I think the choice of ref will have a big bearing on the result because it could be decided by the respective free takers on both sides.
If Kilcoo's kick out strategy is important then S'Neil need to make the keeper kick long into the area they are strong, midfield! For Kilcoo they will have to win dirty ball (which S'Neil are good at too) and get it into that space early!! Might head down for it
Slaughtneil 6/5
Kilcoo 11/8
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2016, 01:09:55 PM
Slaughtneil 6/5
Kilcoo 11/8
Where did you get those DF? PP have: Slaughtneil 8/11, Kilcoo evens.
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Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2016, 01:09:55 PM
Slaughtneil 6/5
Kilcoo 11/8
Where did you get those DF? PP have: Slaughtneil 8/11, Kilcoo evens.
Ladbrokes yesterday.
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2016, 04:42:07 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on November 23, 2016, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2016, 01:09:55 PM
Slaughtneil 6/5
Kilcoo 11/8
Where did you get those DF? PP have: Slaughtneil 8/11, Kilcoo evens.
Ladbrokes yesterday.
from ladbrokes; Match Betting Slaughtneil 4/5 Draw 13/2 Kilcoo 11/8
Some comments about marking Laverty and the way Laverty buys frees. Laverty certainly does dramatise fouls to make them look more apparent to the referee, and in this way gets more frees than most players. However having watched him a lot I have to say that on almost all occasions they are actual fouls, though slight fouls. Yes he fluffs them up but he is being fouled (e.g. shirt-pull).
Now the only way to prevent this, is for the defender not to hold his shirt or nudge him. That sounds great but what happens if a defender does try a clean approach? Laverty is lightening quick both in the turn and the take-off. The only reason defenders can stay with him is exactly because they are holding his shirt. So hold his shirt and he will go down, getting a free and probably a point. Don't hold his shirt and there will be no free but he will turn the defender inside out and be heading towards the sticks. It's not that Laverty can't score from play, it is simply that he generally doesn't have to, thanks to obliging defenders small fouls.
You would need to double mark Laverty if you want to mark him totally clean AND prevent him from creating scoring opportunities. But good luck with that because then you have to find another way to deal with Johnston, Devlin and young Brannigan breaking through.
Having said that I am not suggesting I think Kilcoo will win. Slaughtneil have been there and done it two years ago. They are battled hardened and the whole club is on a high at the moment. I would make them slight favorites.
It's been said by everyone that the two clubs are so similar and that's been my experience; ten years ago my bro-in-law was working in and around Slaughtneil and told me they were keeping the candle burning for Irish culture in a way he hadn't seen before; I told him it would have nothing on Kilcoo. I expect Sunday to come right down to the wire. While the magpies have really developed this siege mentality with everyone- latest opponent are the Down County Board ( unfairly and journalists like Declan Bogue should dig a bit deeper before judging)- they are a force of nature. The McKaigues, Rogers and Bradley have quality but whoever Kilcoo bring in seems to fit like a glove in their system. It will be a cold damp Athletic Grounds and this was the venue where Laverty played his best game for Down when he grabbed the Ulster S/F against Monaghan by the scruff of the neck in 2012. With 17 or 18 other men who will also do whatever it takes I take Kilcoo to win.
slaughtneil by 7. kilcoo are bottlers
Really looking forward to this. Think kilcoo will have too much nous for our neighbours, but I'd be delighted if all three Ulster Senior club titles reside at the foot of the Carn.
Good luck to the Emmets, family, friends and neighbours.
Quote from: ose 14 on November 25, 2016, 10:12:49 PM
slaughtneil by 7. kilcoo are bottlers
Lol coming from an Omagh man!!!!
Slaughtneil will be far too strong for them,
I have fancied Kilcoo for this game since their semi victory and also the fact that they are a quality team. However, having chatted with a few Derry brethren (non S'Neil gaels) this week, I am now considering switching tack. To a man they backed S'Neil and have total confidence that they will do it. Their back line will nullify Kilcoo, their middle is too strong and most importantly they play as a team - no real stars but tried and trusted men who don't wilt. I haven't seen enough of either team in recent times to be sure who will win but it sets up for a classic intriguing game.
Let's hope it lives up to the billing
Fancy Kilcoo for this but only just.
Slaughtneil by 3
Kilcoo for me too.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 27, 2016, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 26, 2016, 09:25:08 PM
Slaughtneil by 3
You're not bad.
Just absolutely delighted for Slaughtneil. It was a good tight game. Commiserations to Kilcoo.
The Connacht final was totally one-sided and the Munster final is shaping up to be even more so.
Well done to Slaughtneil. Great achievement. Hurling, Camogie and Football titles.
Yep amazing feat, so difficult to do nowadays... and no reason why the club cant reach both finals at this point!
Good win for Slaughtneil. They were the better team as for the football. Bring back Cross and Scotstown!
It was there for the taking for kilcoo. About 48 minute mark, O hanlon went for a short free instead of trying for a point. Was a big turning point as slaughtneil went straight down the pitch and put 2 between the sides. Saying that kilcoo were through on goal a few times near the end but couldn't take their chance.
Anyhow fair play to Slaughtneil. Serious achievement.
The number 10 could have goaled too a bit later.The wee small things mount up.
Probably deserved it but the game could have went either way at times.
Slaughtneil can be superb at controlling the play, if they are allowed to. All their players are very composed on the ball. But Kilcoo let them do it.. Prime example was after McMullan made a good save to deny a Kilcoo goal. S'neil had a free out. They proceeded to play keep ball inside their own 21yd line. There was no urgency from the Kilcoo players to tackle any of the 3 or 4 different S'neil players involved in the passing movement before McKaigue cleared and they won a free further up the pitch.
Deserved win and fair play to Slaughtneil. Great victory and they'll go on from here with confidence. Serious achievement with the Treble!!
Are St Finbarr's (Cork) the only other club to do provincial Football and Hurling double in the one year?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2016, 05:12:27 PM
Yep amazing feat, so difficult to do nowadays... and no reason why the club cant reach both finals at this point!
A notable achievement, although Kilcoo had their chances.
Presumably reaching both finals would rather strain the Derry men as both games would be in he same day!
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Slaughtneil went man for man at the back, they gave Kilcoo serious space at times. Would have served Kilcoo better to ditch the crowded defensive lines and push up as they would have known Slaughtneil would, and can play possession football all day long.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Agree completely
Quote from: Throw ball on November 27, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Agree completely
I also concur but such is the way of things. Corofin and Crokes at least try to play the game positively. While it was understandable that Slaughtniel were running the clock down it's dicey doing that in your own back line. A slip or miss pass and it's in the back of the net. The funny thing is they can play a very good attaching hand pass game and one score in particular was brilliant where they worked it at pace from back to front but it was very much the exception. They will find it hard to win the AI playing like that. Coordinate were the puck of the teams today and I reckon Vincent's will pull through in Leinster. Either if this will win it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 27, 2016, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 27, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Agree completely
I also concur but such is the way of things. Corofin and Crokes at least try to play the game positively. While it was understandable that Slaughtniel were running the clock down it's dicey doing that in your own back line. A slip or miss pass and it's in the back of the net. The funny thing is they can play a very good attaching hand pass game and one score in particular was brilliant where they worked it at pace from back to front but it was very much the exception. They will find it hard to win the AI playing like that. Coordinate were the puck of the teams today and I reckon Vincent's will pull through in Leinster. Either if this will win it.
Great corofination all over the field from Coordinate led to their big win.
Quote from: drici on November 27, 2016, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 27, 2016, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 27, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Agree completely
I also concur but such is the way of things. Corofin and Crokes at least try to play the game positively. While it was understandable that Slaughtniel were running the clock down it's dicey doing that in your own back line. A slip or miss pass and it's in the back of the net. The funny thing is they can play a very good attaching hand pass game and one score in particular was brilliant where they worked it at pace from back to front but it was very much the exception. They will find it hard to win the AI playing like that. Coordinate were the puck of the teams today and I reckon Vincent's will pull through in Leinster. Either if this will win it.
Great corofination all over the field from Coordinate led to their big win.
😂
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 27, 2016, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 27, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Agree completely
I also concur but such is the way of things. Corofin and Crokes at least try to play the game positively. While it was understandable that Slaughtniel were running the clock down it's dicey doing that in your own back line. A slip or miss pass and it's in the back of the net. The funny thing is they can play a very good attaching hand pass game and one score in particular was brilliant where they worked it at pace from back to front but it was very much the exception. They will find it hard to win the AI playing like that. Coordinate were the puck of the teams today and I reckon Vincent's will pull through in Leinster. Either if this will win it.
This for me is the big thing - this type of football where the focus is on retaining possession and keeping it tight, just isn't very successful in terms of winning All-Irelands.
I thought the standard of tackling by both sides was very poor - an amount of lazy poor tackling with the focus being on the man as opposed to the ball - ref could have blown for even more than he did - I reckon long term this does Ulster football no favours, as when they meet a ref who is strict on the definition of the tackle they struggle.
I would have said the best tackling performance of the day was by the Crokes who did very well in terms of putting pressure on the man in possession and turning the ball over, especially around the middle third.
I think the winner will come from the Corofin v Vincent's game (assuming Vincent's beat Rhode). Slaughtneill have a punchers chance against Crokes but in Croke Park in a final playing that style of football they haven't a prayer.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 08:20:37 PM
I think the winner will come from the Corofin v Vincent's game (assuming Vincent's beat Rhode). Slaughtneill have a punchers chance against Crokes but in Croke Park in a final playing that style of football they haven't a prayer.
Has the semi final draw been made?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 27, 2016, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 08:20:37 PM
I think the winner will come from the Corofin v Vincent's game (assuming Vincent's beat Rhode). Slaughtneill have a punchers chance against Crokes but in Croke Park in a final playing that style of football they haven't a prayer.
Has the semi final draw been made?
I heard earlier today that Ulster plays Munster maybe someone can confirm.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 27, 2016, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 08:20:37 PM
I think the winner will come from the Corofin v Vincent's game (assuming Vincent's beat Rhode). Slaughtneill have a punchers chance against Crokes but in Croke Park in a final playing that style of football they haven't a prayer.
Has the semi final draw been made?
I think it is Ulster v Leinster this year. Assuming Slaughtneil beat London champions
Quote from: Throw ball on November 27, 2016, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 27, 2016, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 08:20:37 PM
I think the winner will come from the Corofin v Vincent's game (assuming Vincent's beat Rhode). Slaughtneill have a punchers chance against Crokes but in Croke Park in a final playing that style of football they haven't a prayer.
Has the semi final draw been made?
I think it is Ulster v Leinster this year. Assuming Slaughtneil beat London champions
I thought it was Ulster v Leinster myself. Based on the previous years..
2016: Cross v Castlebar
2015: Slaughtneil v Crokes
2014: Ballinderry v Vincents
I was wrong again.
Congratulations to slaughtneil. All their big guns turned up, Rogers, McKaigue and patsy, but I was massively impressed with McNeill and feeney.
What happens from here is largely irrelevant; slaughtneil probably won't win any of the three All-Irelands, but they've done something no other club has ever done and most likely will ever do.
Enjoy tonight and the next few weeks, my fellow parishioners.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 27, 2016, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 27, 2016, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 27, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Agree completely
I also concur but such is the way of things. Corofin and Crokes at least try to play the game positively. While it was understandable that Slaughtniel were running the clock down it's dicey doing that in your own back line. A slip or miss pass and it's in the back of the net. The funny thing is they can play a very good attaching hand pass game and one score in particular was brilliant where they worked it at pace from back to front but it was very much the exception. They will find it hard to win the AI playing like that. Coordinate were the puck of the teams today and I reckon Vincent's will pull through in Leinster. Either if this will win it.
This for me is the big thing - this type of football where the focus is on retaining possession and keeping it tight, just isn't very successful in terms of winning All-Irelands.
I thought the standard of tackling by both sides was very poor - an amount of lazy poor tackling with the focus being on the man as opposed to the ball - ref could have blown for even more than he did - I reckon long term this does Ulster football no favours, as when they meet a ref who is strict on the definition of the tackle they struggle.
I would have said the best tackling performance of the day was by the Crokes who did very well in terms of putting pressure on the man in possession and turning the ball over, especially around the middle third.
It infuriates me the amount of nonsense that is written with regards possession football.
Possession football is a contrast to blanket defences, particularly well organised ones. It's the only effective way that you can play against it. If you go and try and play direct football against sides like Tyrone and Donegal at county level you are asking for trouble, you look at what happened Dublin in 2014. You look at the way Kerry now play, the way Mayo have changed tact this year and how they mirrored Tyrone in the quarter final.
You can win All Ireland's playing like that, last year's winners (Ballyboden) played a running game and won the final very convincingly.
What cost Slaughtneil in 2015 was I think that they were lacking a little bit in the forward line, young McGuigan is a massive boost in this regard this time round and also the fact that the they had a lot of older players who I think got found out against Corofin on the pace of the Croke Park pitch. The likes of McGrath, Feeney and Cassidy add much more pace and mobility in that side this time round. I think they have a reasonable chance though I would find it hard to look past Corofin this time round.
5 minutes left and 2 down Kilcoo should have went after the game. They set back with all 15 players in defence and allowed Slaughtneil to piss about with the ball in their own half and around midfield. They basically let Slaughtneil run down the clock. A decent first half and some quality players on show but I can't see an All Ireland in that Slaughtneil side. I was delighted for them to win the treble though. It really is unreal. How much of a population would they have to pick from?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2016, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 27, 2016, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 27, 2016, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 27, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
If ever a game summed up the hand pass solo blight of modern Gaelic football that was it. Dire game from a purists point of view. Two functional superbly athletic teams with very little in the way of skilled football. Johnstone and Branagans would have wanted their own ball at times such was their failure to get their head up and try and execute a kick pass. Stick the head down and take 2 or 3 solos before offloading. Rinse repeat. Then Slaughtneill tried to run the clock down by playing keep ball with over 5 minutes to go by going over and back the field in a possession type game. As an earlier poster said, bring back Scotstown and Cross who tried to play positive attacking football where players actually tried to kick pass the ball into space. Awful spectacle, the only thing that kept it interesting was th closeness of the contest.
Agree completely
I also concur but such is the way of things. Corofin and Crokes at least try to play the game positively. While it was understandable that Slaughtniel were running the clock down it's dicey doing that in your own back line. A slip or miss pass and it's in the back of the net. The funny thing is they can play a very good attaching hand pass game and one score in particular was brilliant where they worked it at pace from back to front but it was very much the exception. They will find it hard to win the AI playing like that. Coordinate were the puck of the teams today and I reckon Vincent's will pull through in Leinster. Either if this will win it.
This for me is the big thing - this type of football where the focus is on retaining possession and keeping it tight, just isn't very successful in terms of winning All-Irelands.
I thought the standard of tackling by both sides was very poor - an amount of lazy poor tackling with the focus being on the man as opposed to the ball - ref could have blown for even more than he did - I reckon long term this does Ulster football no favours, as when they meet a ref who is strict on the definition of the tackle they struggle.
I would have said the best tackling performance of the day was by the Crokes who did very well in terms of putting pressure on the man in possession and turning the ball over, especially around the middle third.
It infuriates me the amount of nonsense that is written with regards possession football.
Possession football is a contrast to blanket defences, particularly well organised ones. It's the only effective way that you can play against it. If you go and try and play direct football against sides like Tyrone and Donegal at county level you are asking for trouble, you look at what happened Dublin in 2014. You look at the way Kerry now play, the way Mayo have changed tact this year and how they mirrored Tyrone in the quarter final.
You can win All Ireland's playing like that, last year's winners (Ballyboden) played a running game and won the final very convincingly.
What cost Slaughtneil in 2015 was I think that they were lacking a little bit in the forward line, young McGuigan is a massive boost in this regard this time round and also the fact that the they had a lot of older players who I think got found out against Corofin on the pace of the Croke Park pitch. The likes of McGrath, Feeney and Cassidy add much more pace and mobility in that side this time round. I think they have a reasonable chance though I would find it hard to look past Corofin this time round.
The type of football I watched today was more akin to watching a rugby league match. Head down, 1/2 solos, handpass the ball laterally and repeat as nauseam. I'd say there were players who failed to kick a ball during the course of the match and I'd love to see the stats on the number of successful kick passes for both sides. It's the way players have been conditioned to play, risk averse and cutting out mistakes at the expense of unpredictable football and being allowed to pass 40 yards. They were 2 sets of teams who were well conditioned and prepared but it was simply an arm wrestle which was won by the team who made marginally fewer errors. Athleticism and cutting out mistakes in favour of skill and flair. Fear over risk.
I've seen Kilcoo quite a bit this year. Today I feel they underperformed. They also made a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes. Slaughtneil were marginally the better side and coped admirably with a misfiring Kilcoo forward line.
Their treble achievement is nothing short of unreal.
I'd agree with Bomber. Slaughtneil are stronger than 2 years ago, so definitely have a chance. I sat in the Canal End for the '14 final and watched Corofin slice the Robbies open with some incredible running lines and fast ball in. But as Bomber points out, the dynamic of the Slaughtneil team is different. Cassidy is very mobile in midfield, and Patsy is in the form of his life. The half forward and half back line are very fast and athletic and Shay is a great focal point in attack.
As with the Killyclogher game, Kilcoo were behind and insisted on holding onto their mass defence with the clock ticking down. Of course Slaughtneil will hold possession and wait for the gaps or the likes of ODoherty and McGuigan to break away from 2/3 defenders and win ball. It would have been suicide to lump balls in for the sake of it.
Quote from: JimStynes on November 27, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
5 minutes left and 2 down Kilcoo should have went after the game. They set back with all 15 players in defence and allowed Slaughtneil to piss about with the ball in their own half and around midfield. They basically let Slaughtneil run down the clock. A decent first half and some quality players on show but I can't see an All Ireland in that Slaughtneil side. I was delighted for them to win the treble though. It really is unreal. How much of a population would they have to pick from?
From looming at a map I was wondering do they get players from the Maghera area?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 27, 2016, 10:46:04 PM
I'd agree with Bomber. Slaughtneil are stronger than 2 years ago, so definitely have a chance. I sat in the Canal End for the '14 final and watched Corofin slice the Robbies open with some incredible running lines and fast ball in. But as Bomber points out, the dynamic of the Slaughtneil team is different. Cassidy is very mobile in midfield, and Patsy is in the form of his life. The half forward and half back line are very fast and athletic and Shay is a great focal point in attack.
As with the Killyclogher game, Kilcoo were behind and insisted on holding onto their mass defence with the clock ticking down. Of course Slaughtneil will hold possession and wait for the gaps or the likes of ODoherty and McGuigan to break away from 2/3 defenders and win ball. It would have been suicide to lump balls in for the sake of it.
Are they really ?
Is young feeney better than barry mc guigan ?
Are they better without Paudie Mc Guigan ?
That treble must be one of the rarest in the GAA. Fair play to all involved.
Quote from: time ticking away on November 28, 2016, 01:05:31 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 27, 2016, 10:46:04 PM
I'd agree with Bomber. Slaughtneil are stronger than 2 years ago, so definitely have a chance. I sat in the Canal End for the '14 final and watched Corofin slice the Robbies open with some incredible running lines and fast ball in. But as Bomber points out, the dynamic of the Slaughtneil team is different. Cassidy is very mobile in midfield, and Patsy is in the form of his life. The half forward and half back line are very fast and athletic and Shay is a great focal point in attack.
As with the Killyclogher game, Kilcoo were behind and insisted on holding onto their mass defence with the clock ticking down. Of course Slaughtneil will hold possession and wait for the gaps or the likes of ODoherty and McGuigan to break away from 2/3 defenders and win ball. It would have been suicide to lump balls in for the sake of it.
Are they really ?
Is young feeney better than barry mc guigan ?
Are they better without Paudie Mc Guigan ?
Well the fact these two boys weren't on the starting 15 would testify to that wouldn't it?
Quote from: time ticking away on November 28, 2016, 01:05:31 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 27, 2016, 10:46:04 PM
I'd agree with Bomber. Slaughtneil are stronger than 2 years ago, so definitely have a chance. I sat in the Canal End for the '14 final and watched Corofin slice the Robbies open with some incredible running lines and fast ball in. But as Bomber points out, the dynamic of the Slaughtneil team is different. Cassidy is very mobile in midfield, and Patsy is in the form of his life. The half forward and half back line are very fast and athletic and Shay is a great focal point in attack.
As with the Killyclogher game, Kilcoo were behind and insisted on holding onto their mass defence with the clock ticking down. Of course Slaughtneil will hold possession and wait for the gaps or the likes of ODoherty and McGuigan to break away from 2/3 defenders and win ball. It would have been suicide to lump balls in for the sake of it.
Are they really ?
Is young feeney better than barry mc guigan ?
Are they better without Paudie Mc Guigan ?
You tell me.....
Quote from: time ticking away on November 13, 2016, 07:03:27 PM
Messing aside Slaughtneil do look to be a better team than 2 years ago. Mc Guigan at full forward gave Gorman as much trouble as he has had in a long time. Credit must also go to Mickey Moran. Slaughtneils patience on the ball when playing into a blanket defence was really impressive. The final could be a clinker.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 28, 2016, 12:00:06 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 27, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
5 minutes left and 2 down Kilcoo should have went after the game. They set back with all 15 players in defence and allowed Slaughtneil to piss about with the ball in their own half and around midfield. They basically let Slaughtneil run down the clock. A decent first half and some quality players on show but I can't see an All Ireland in that Slaughtneil side. I was delighted for them to win the treble though. It really is unreal. How much of a population would they have to pick from?
From looming at a map I was wondering do they get players from the Maghera area?
Yes and the swatragh area but it all depends on who your father/mother/uncles/aunties played for.
I think the treble could be done again..........by Slaughtneil! Who will beat them next year in:
1. Derry football championship?
2. Ulster football championship?
3. Derry hurling championship?
4. Ulster football championship?
5. Derry camogie championship?
6. Ulster camogie championship?
The Trap
I think the treble could be done again..........by Slaughtneil! Who will beat them next year in:
1. Derry football championship? Magherafelt, Ballinderry Ballinascreen in a one off game.
2. Ulster football championship? Cross, Scotstown
3. Derry hurling championship? no one
4. Ulster football championship? Did you mean hurling? Loughguile, Cushendall
5. Derry camogie championship? Ballinascrenn, Swatragh
6. Ulster camogie championship? Loughguile
Yea Man Marker I meant hurling........not many teams to challenge them really are there? Probably more dependant on themselves as sooner or later they are bound to suffer from injuries, tiredness, was going to say lack of motivation but that doesn't seem to be a problem!!!!
Some achievement by Slaughtneil. You'd have to feel a bit sorry for their ladies football team though
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 28, 2016, 01:06:16 PM
Some achievement by Slaughtneil. You'd have to feel a bit sorry for their ladies football team though
I'm pretty sure they don't have one.
Is that correct that Leinster are exempt from going to London??!!
Not sure if this has been asked before of if the Central Council have published a contingency but what happens if Slaughtneil win both semi-finals? I would assume they would not be expected to play both finals on St Patrick's day.
I heard that one final would be played as normal on march 17, with the other final on easter sunday. This scenario is only an option at the minute as far as I know, and hasnt been announced officially. Apparently st patricks day and easter sunday are quite close in 2017.
Quote from: screenexile on December 01, 2016, 12:17:03 PM
Is that correct that Leinster are exempt from going to London??!!
I think I recall hearing that back in the day...something to do with them having to play more games generally. I could be wrong though
If Slaughtneil make both finals, they'd have to play them on different days. Therefore there's a space for curtain raisers on both final days. So bring back the Railway Cup finals, and give them an allocated yearly slot in the calendar, and the respect it deserves.
They don't have a great chance at all in the hurling. Not sure it will be a problem.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 08, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
They don't have a great chance at all in the hurling. Not sure it will be a problem.
The Cuala hurlers will be hard to beat alright. I'd be delighted if they beat them but it's unlikely.
Quote from: thebuzz on December 08, 2016, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 08, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
They don't have a great chance at all in the hurling. Not sure it will be a problem.
The Cuala hurlers will be hard to beat alright. I'd be delighted if they beat them but it's unlikely.
Of all the clubs they could meet Cuala are the toughest, but if S'Neil snuff out their forwards, as they have done with a potent loughgiel forward line then who knows, they won't lack fitness strength and resolve that's for sure, and given the journey the club has taken of late the won't lack confidence.....
Saying that Cuala could have won by more against Gaels, whom I thought were awful not just in that game but against OTB who totally lost the plot v Gaels when in a commanding position. Better stick work might be the difference here (thought that v Loughgiel)
I think they have half a chance against Cuala though as while Cuala have a lot of good hurlers their main strength to me seemed to be they were overrunning teams and also looked a bit too physical for them. I don't think they'll have either of those advantages against Slaughtneil but they do have some handy hurlers who will probably be a bit much for them.
Good luck to sloughtneil this weekend. Super ambassadors for all that is good in Ulster GAA.