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#31
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 20, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
There was doom and gloom in 2021. Actually, every year as far as I can remember. Win and you're great, lose and you're shite.
#32
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 19, 2023, 03:01:50 PM
R Canavan is below Daragh and McCurry in the pecking order.
McGleenan is below Mattie, Kennedy, Kilpatrick and Oguz.

I have yet to see any evidence that they should be starting. Believe the management can bring these young players through in their own time.
#33
OK comprehension clearly isn't one of your strong points. I think I would need to break it down word by word to get the meaning across at this stage as you don't understand the quoted rule.
#34
Read it again.
"or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"
#35
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 18, 2023, 07:25:12 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 06:54:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 18, 2023, 06:10:49 PM
It was stone wall. No other way about it. Though few other frees were weak as well, but in the usual bias viewing of your own team. But that call was just ridiculous. You could not have got a better example of where it should be implemented. I do not understand how a ref could get it so wrong. The players were in space so viewing was easy, there was no other potential defender to muddy the water. There was no grey area. The only explanation I can think of is that the ref obviously doesn't understand the rule, which would be a bit of a concern.
On the grand scheme it doesn't matter much, but imagine if that happened in a big game.
I'm not sure it is as cut & dried as you think though my understanding of the rules might not be 100%. I was under the impression that the foul had to be one of the black card offences. If so, which one is it? I don't think it would be a black card anywhere elsewhere on the pitch.

That said, it should be written into the rules.

Quote5.41 Notwithstanding provisions of existing Playing
Rules 2.2 Exception (i), 5 and specifically 5.40, if one of the following infractions-
(a) To deliberately pull down an opponent (5.10) or
(b) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand (s),arm, leg, or foot, (5.11) or
(c) To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play (5.12)  is committed on an attacking player who or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 (Football) Infraction, his team, is denied of a goal-scoring opportunity, as defined in Important Terms and Definitions 9, the following penalties shall apply:
(i) A Penalty Kick shall be awarded to the team affected.
(ii) The offender shall be issued with a BlackCard and be sent to the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.

I think the ref must have deceided that it wasn't a pull down - it was a pull back.

Why the rules committee drafted the rule this way I will never fathom - you see it all the time that defenders will do their best to pull/drag the player back but do their damdest not to make it look like they are pulling the player down in the direction of the ground.

Yeah, so my interpretation was right.

I'm with the ref that it wasn't a deliberate pull down.

I'm also with you that the rule is poorly written or just plain wrong.
Sorry for creating a mega-quote.
The incident today falls under part c surely so the result should have been black card and penalty. What is the argument against that?
#36
Quote from: JoG2 on June 18, 2023, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 18, 2023, 05:55:15 PM
If tyrone held out for a 1 point win it would have been:
1. Galway
2. Tyrone
3. Armagh

With such small groups the swings can be wild. It makes the third games exciting that's for sure.

If Healin had put that free over would Tyrone have been out on head to head?
Yes.

"As bad a decision as you're ever going to see" - Paddy Andrews on Kilpatrick penalty call
#37
If tyrone held out for a 1 point win it would have been:
1. Galway
2. Tyrone
3. Armagh

With such small groups the swings can be wild. It makes the third games exciting that's for sure.
#38
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 18, 2023, 05:52:21 PM
Can we ever have more than one forward play well at a time? It's either McCurry or D Canavan. Some basic skills very poor, it's all handpasses and sidesteps to get away with 8 steps. Tackling was good today but ref punished us for being the favourite.

All things considered we should probably be out tonight and licking our wounds until 2024.
#39
Ref nearly put tyrone out. Heslin kicking himself with that last free miss
#40
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 04:44:49 PM
Darragh Canavan is a very good player.

Which is lucky for Tyrone because they've fcuk all else.
Apart from 6 or 7 all stars
#41
Take a bow Stephen Sheridan.

Squeaky bum time now, likely Tyrone v Mayo/Monaghan/Roscommon
#42
Hurling - Valhalla
Football - basketball court
Soccer - oil field
#43
7. Any free kick awarded within the 45 but outside the "D" may be actually kicked 10 yards closer to the "D"
#44
https://youtu.be/izHPKwcg8bw

Knee drop.
Holding knee on face.

I can't see how anybody can deny either of those statements. The rabbit punch is debatable.

#45
RedHand88 can you please stop whingeing about Armagh's objection to the venue and their travelling support etc.? If the shoe was on the other foot, Tyrone would have done the exact same thing, probably with more litigators involved.