2017 All-Stars

[mrhardyannual]

I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player.  Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award. 
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him.  If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.

This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate

[westbound]

I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player.  Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award. 
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him.  If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.

This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate

That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!

[Hound]

I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player.  Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award. 
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him.  If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.

This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate

That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!

Yep that logic was not about splittling the Mayo/Dublin vote 50/50 but instead it was to ensure Cluxton was not a dead cert for the All Star. So the logic is that by putting Clarke up, there's still a race for the keeper's position. It makes sense to a certain degree. Until of course you remember the fact that Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year, which makes it a completely illogical decision, as you said!
Yeah, something that might have been logical was not in the slightest bit logical. Or as logical as making it 5 players up for it by adding Morgan.

[sid waddell]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

[Cunny Funt]

Of the starters last Sunday only Vaughan,Durcan,S O’Shea,P Andrews, E O’Gara didn't get nominated for All Star.

[Cunny Funt]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.

[sid waddell]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.

I'm not particularly interested in what Mayo will get - I suspect you're correct in your assertion that they will get only 6 or 7.

I'm interested in who should get what though.

[Syferus]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.

I'm not particularly interested in what Mayo will get - I suspect you're correct in your assertion that they will get only 6 or 7.

I'm interested in who should get what though.

Sure you are. That's why you've got a glorified free-taker at 14 over Geaney.

[blast05]

Anyone picking Cuxton ahead of Clarke seems to be doing so on basis of his better kickouts. The style of kick doesn't matter though.... it's whether your team retain possession. I don't have overall stats on that but I don't it is so clear cut. People also seem to be forgiving Cuxtons poor first half in the possession stats

[sid waddell]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.

I'm not particularly interested in what Mayo will get - I suspect you're correct in your assertion that they will get only 6 or 7.

I'm interested in who should get what though.

Sure you are. That's why you've got a glorified free-taker at 14 over Geaney.

If you're that obsessed with giving Kerry a token one, Donaghy's your man.

Geaney did nothing special this year and doesn't deserve one. He didn't produce from play in the second half of the replay against Mayo when Kerry needed him.

Cillian O'Connor is also well ahead of him in the queue.

Rock stood up for Dublin when it mattered. Four points from play in the final, three of them in the second half, and nailed the free that won it.

That's the kind of thing that wins you All-Stars.

And All-Irelands.

[Maroon Manc]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.

[sid waddell]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.

I'd beg to differ on that one. Mannion won that duel in the second half alright but it's not comparable to what happened in the other duel.

Fitzsimons was roasted all game by Moran. 0-3 in the first half, and then Moran was out in front to set up both the goal for chance for Doherty and the goal for Keegan on a plate. And then there were the other shots Moran should have put over. It was 1-3 but it should have been 2-5.

It was a proper roasting in the Ollie Murphy/Peadar Andrews mould. Jim Gavin would been roasted himself had Mayo won for not switching Fitzsimons off Moran.

[Maroon Manc]

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.

I'd beg to differ on that one. Mannion won that duel in the second half alright but it's not comparable to what happened in the other duel.

Fitzsimons was roasted all game by Moran. 0-3 in the first half, and then Moran was out in front to set up both the goal for chance for Doherty and the goal for Keegan on a plate. And then there were the other shots Moran should have put over. It was 1-3 but it should have been 2-5.

It was a proper roasting in the Ollie Murphy/Peadar Andrews mould. Jim Gavin would been roasted himself had Mayo won for not switching Fitzsimons off Moran.

Harrison only picked Mannion up in the 2nd half, in that time he kicked 3 points from play, set up a few others and skinned Harrison to create one of his 2 goal chances. Dress it up whatever way you want but Harrison was given the runaround in the 2nd half.

[mrhardyannual]

I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player.  Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award. 
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him.  If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.

This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate

That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!

Having attended all Mayo's games this year I'd beg to differ. A trawl through posts on the board will show that Andy was being written off as over the hill until the Cork match. The same could be said for Boyler. Keegan was a slow burner this year and both Keith and Durcan got sent off needlessly. SOS was poor, Parsons was carrying injuries, AOS didnt come into his own until the Derry game, Doherty until the Ros game, McLoughlinn until the Ros replay, both O Connors have had better seasons. If it weren't for Mr Dependable in goal we would have been gone early in the summer. So if he wasn't the second best player it might have been that he was the best.

[yellowcard]

I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player.  Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award. 
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him.  If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.

This. If Clarke hadn't been nominated then everyone would know that the POTY would be a foregone conclusion with Moran cruising it in a landslide. As it is I still think he'll win it since I can't exactly see Clarke splitting much of the Mayo vote. This award should be voted for by journalists instead of players as it is effectively a popularity contest.