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[The coalition will tear itself apart.]

Alt right is bullshit. It's about maintaining a white majority
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/21/alt-right-conference-richard-spencer-white-nationalists

The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum expressed alarm on Monday over "hateful speech" at a white nationalist meeting over the weekend, and a restaurant apologized for hosting the group after a woman tweeted a picture of herself making a Nazi salute.    The National Policy Institute, a think tank that is part of the alt-right movement that includes neo-Nazis, white supremacists and anti-Semites, held a gathering at the federally owned Ronald Reagan Building on Saturday.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.754493

The GOP is the immigration party. It drives wages down and means higher corporate profits. See Eamonn's chart.

It's going to be Bannon vs the GOP.
There is no way to please the poor voters, the rich funders and the Nazis at the same time.

The coalition will tear itself apart.

And the swing voters who voted for Trump might be happy,  if it tears the whole rotten machine down with it forcing America to hit a reset button and reset its priorities

So what are these desired, rethought out priorities?

[McCain/Palin]

Obama was a great president and I think will rightly go down in history as such. I think he'll be mentioned in the same breath as Kennedy and FDR in years to come. A true compassionate leader.

Pity he didn't get a 20 year term. It's sad so many Americans (and Irish apparently) are so naive and weak minded that they can be brainwashed into thinking he was a poor president. Obamination" is the mutterings of a total utter gobshite.

10 trillion debt in eight years, more than every other president combined makes him an absolute nightmare of a president, how is the country going to recover from that?

Obamacare has been a disaster, the rollout sums up this clampetts presidency, a total clusterfuck!

Black people are worse off now than they were ten years ago.

Great idea to give billions to the banking elite, first thing they did was give themselves big bonuses for losing trillions.

Benghazi was on his watch, he let terrorists go for a traitor, I could go on but can't be bothered.

Only a complete and utter moron would think Obama is a great president, Clinton ran on four more years of Obama and the country said no, that's how great he was.

The man is a decent human being, a far better one than the two arseholes who wanted has job, that said he has been a disaster and I pity the monkeys that cannot see it, so attached are they to their liberal ideals



Who pays the ten trillion back then?

I asked you before stew - what should Obama have done in terms of debt and poverty and jobs and so on, given the hand he was dealt.

The economy was losing 750K jobs a month when he took over, an absolutely extraordinary figure. Tell us what he should have done that he didn't (or what he did do that he shouldn't)?

20 million people have health insurance now that didn't before due to Obamacare (and it would be more if the GOP hadn't tried to stick to him and poor people in a number of states).

What should he have done to address the healthcare issue? The GOP negotiated in bad faith. Obamacare, their idea, is what we ended up with, but it gets the basics right with the mandate, the prohibition on pre-existing conditions penalization, extension of child coverage and so on. There is no addressing the health care problem without a mandate, as you need the buy-in from young people to fund affordable health care for the old and sick. But, a lot of people would rather pay the financial penalty and skip it, so the pool is older and sicker than it should be.

How would the world look now if McCain/Palin had won the White House?

Would it be better? If so, how?

When you say McCain / Palin, you mean McCain, as Palin would have been sidelined after the election.

Regarding McCain, he wasn't a bad candidate and had shown numerous times that he was prepared to work across the aisle so America wouldn't have been that much different that it is now, Obamacare wouldn't be in-place, but he would had dealt with the auto industry and Banks the exact same way.

Regarding foreign policy, who knows, but he voting record regarding the military was exactly the same as Hilary's so there might not be much different between the two

But who knows

I think you're right that McCain would have gone back to his true instincts of compromise and pragmatism in some areas had he won, but he would have had to throw some bones to the Palin crew in terms of appointments and policy, probably in terms of environmental and energy issues. McCain is still a conservative after all. Would he taken the actions Obama did to speed up gay marriage and so on? Doubtful, although that was probably coming to a head anyway. And for all the whinging and fingers pointed at Obama for BLM and police shootings, that stuff was coming too, no matter who was in charge, as it was driven by technology, NOT anything coming from Washington. Foreign policy-wise, who knows? There could be US troops in Syria, if McCain (or Romney) had won. I'm pretty sure McCain would have been in Libya and all the other stuff Obama did in response to the Arab Spring. Would he have followed the Status of Forces agreement in Iraq like Obama did? Given earlier rhetoric, he might not have pursued the Iran deal, but again, that's just speculation. Being in actual position of authority and criticizing from the sidelines are two totally different things.

As for healthcare, I guess McCain could have left it unaddressed, under the excuse that the economic collapse demanded the country's attention instead. Immigration, he was badly bitten under Bush, and I doubt if he would have risked the ire of the right again by trying to address it.

So after all that we're not going to "lock her up"

Another flip flop to go with countless before and countless other to follow!!

He was never going to pursue that. At least not if he was in any way pragmatic.

Doing so would set a serious precedent and break with tradition. Something he or his party colleagues could fall victim to himself in a few years.

I would cut interest rates even further and kept them low, I would have made the government smaller and I would have penalised American companies that shut up shop and facked off to say Mexico or Ireland etc.

Interest rates in the US have been rock-bottom since before Obama even took over!

That's been part of the problem - they haven't been able to use interest rates to stimulate the economy because you can't go any lower than virtually zero.

And its all well and good to say you'd make government smaller, but how and which departments?

And how are you going to penalize those companies? There's already a repatriation tax. Are you going to slap tariffs on everything they make?

I would have had cut all wasteful spending and I would grow the economy which would help lower the twenty trillion debt.

Just like that. Why didn't Obama think of that!

As with the previous shrink the government bit, what wasteful spending? How much duplication is there? How much bureaucracy is there that you can reduce? If you remove the multiple layers of oversight and approval, does the opportunity not increase for abuse of government funds and corruption?

I would use part of any surplus to reduce the debt and I would lower the legal drinking age to 18 years of age, further I would invest in opening government run pharmacies that sell drugs that are currently illegal, since there are said to be 100 million drug users in the states, the profits could be used to help the addicts, treatment centers would be funded and the surplus government taxes could go to reducing the national debt, you also eliminate the need for drug dealers and you .ca control the quality of the narcotics.

Ok, drug legalization. There's an argument to be made for it, but is it really something that is going to impact the federal budget and debt?

I write the above as a man who has never do much as has a drag of a cigarette!

I know I will get stick for the last paragraph but the vast I look at it is the shit is in the country and the government spend billions in a futile attempt to stop the flow.

Pertaining to Obama care, the French, Swiss and Brita have some of the best healthcare systems in the world, I would have studied the top ten with empasis on the bigger countries and built a healthcare system that works for all.
Obama's team claimed they studied other nations, given the horrendous rollout and implemrotation of Obama care I highly doubt that.

J70 you asked what I would do, that is what I would do.

OF course they studied other healthcare systems, but the public option was a non-starter from the very beginning. The right did so much crying and fear mongering over the modest changes brought in by Obamacare as it was (and they were GOP ideas, including the mandate, right up until 2008). How the hell do you think they would have reacted to Medicare For All, which many on the left advocated for? The whole tea party movement rose up in response to, first, the bailouts and measures to help underwater homeowners, and then was turbo-charged by the passing of Obamacare. Why do you think the GOP House "repealed" Obamacare 50 or 60 times?

I'm confused as to your opposition to Obamacare. Given your advocacy for the Swiss, British and French systems, you clearly have no problem with a health insurance mandate (the centrepiece of Obamacare) or publicly-funded healthcare.

Yes, the rollout was awful, but hardly unprecedented when it comes to computerizing a massive database system, across dozens of states, especially where government and personal security are in play. The problems since then come down to the GOP refusing to implement the rollout in a lot of states they control, and the failure of the penalty as a deterrent for ensuring younger, healthier individuals enroll.

Do you think the penalty for non-enrollment should be more severe?

Obama was a great president and I think will rightly go down in history as such. I think he'll be mentioned in the same breath as Kennedy and FDR in years to come. A true compassionate leader.

Pity he didn't get a 20 year term. It's sad so many Americans (and Irish apparently) are so naive and weak minded that they can be brainwashed into thinking he was a poor president. Obamination" is the mutterings of a total utter gobshite.

10 trillion debt in eight years, more than every other president combined makes him an absolute nightmare of a president, how is the country going to recover from that?

Obamacare has been a disaster, the rollout sums up this clampetts presidency, a total clusterfuck!

Black people are worse off now than they were ten years ago.

Great idea to give billions to the banking elite, first thing they did was give themselves big bonuses for losing trillions.

Benghazi was on his watch, he let terrorists go for a traitor, I could go on but can't be bothered.

Only a complete and utter moron would think Obama is a great president, Clinton ran on four more years of Obama and the country said no, that's how great he was.

The man is a decent human being, a far better one than the two arseholes who wanted has job, that said he has been a disaster and I pity the monkeys that cannot see it, so attached are they to their liberal ideals



Who pays the ten trillion back then?

I asked you before stew - what should Obama have done in terms of debt and poverty and jobs and so on, given the hand he was dealt.

The economy was losing 750K jobs a month when he took over, an absolutely extraordinary figure. Tell us what he should have done that he didn't (or what he did do that he shouldn't)?

20 million people have health insurance now that didn't before due to Obamacare (and it would be more if the GOP hadn't tried to stick to him and poor people in a number of states).

What should he have done to address the healthcare issue? The GOP negotiated in bad faith. Obamacare, their idea, is what we ended up with, but it gets the basics right with the mandate, the prohibition on pre-existing conditions penalization, extension of child coverage and so on. There is no addressing the health care problem without a mandate, as you need the buy-in from young people to fund affordable health care for the old and sick. But, a lot of people would rather pay the financial penalty and skip it, so the pool is older and sicker than it should be.

How would the world look now if McCain/Palin had won the White House?

Would it be better? If so, how?

Van Jones - there's an interesting contrast to Jeff Sessions.

Will Sessions' appointment to the Administration be held to something even approaching the standard to which the GOP held the Obama White House when it came to Van Jones and past statements?

Given that whitey reckons fake outrage is the Democratic M.O. and all...

[Donald J. Trump]

Donald J. Trump  ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I watched parts of @nbcsnl Saturday Night Live last night. It is a totally one-sided, biased show - nothing funny at all. Equal time for us?

Who is 'us'?

Does he still think he is in an election campaign?

The poor snowflake.

Lol....he's just after ripping a page out of the Democratic playbook....outraged at everything

Seriously??

You level that charge at Democrats after the past decade of conservative (including the president-elect himself) behaviour and rhetoric towards Obama and anyone who is not a "real American"?

Just a thought, is there such a thing as a job that is not respectful?

I am stocking shelves and doing manual labor for the first time in my life and I tell you what, I am enjoying the exercise.

I'd stock shelves in a heartbeat if I could afford to live off it. No stress, no worries to bring home, immediate satisfaction of a job completed.

As for the general point about a job being respectable, I think it all depends on the person occupying the job.

An immigrant from a poor country, with no education, working 70 hours a week on minimum wage would be seen as a hard-working person trying to get ahead, or at least would be by any non-prejudiced arsehole. Similarly, a 15 year old working a few hours on Saturday to make some pocket money.

I worked fast food, washed dishes, sold xmas trees, did clerical work and did other types of crappy jobs to keep myself going through college. Even had to do low wage work for a while after I moved back to the US before I got myself a decent job. I got patronized and talked down to many times. Of course, its amazing how quickly people's attitudes change when they find out that you're also working towards an advanced education.

Yep.....Trump doesn't give a fvck who he offends.

The crybabies would have been traumatized by whoever he appointed so it doesn't really matter

Well sure in that case, he should go all out and appoint David Duke... if it doesn't matter.

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is on the chopping block.

Weeks after the fraud at Wells Fargo was exposed.

So much for protecting the regular working man.

Could also go on the poppy watch thread

Is that Carol Vorderman?

Ease up on the paint, woman!

[FRACK OFF, ENVIRONMENTALISTS!]

He hasn't a f**king Scooby Doo!!!

Unfortunately, unlike with his unwanted sexual advances to women, Trump won't be able to be headed off at the pass this time.

Old Mr Trump sure had us fooled for a while. Well, a week,
The mastermind of an elite special interest  against american workers 

Mr Edell sure had us fooled for a while. He says that climate change is a myth. He's working for the Kochs, the ****

Well well if it isn't our friend the KKK, Mr Bannon is a f**king nazi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ozIHomn8Q

Britain's NUMBER ONE columnist turns both barrels on those idiot environmentalists today, and boy does he nail it! Stand by for some good, old-fashioned COMMON SENSE!

FRACK OFF, ENVIRONMENTALISTS!

JEREMY HOPKISS AT LARGE - BRITAIN'S NUMBER ONE!

So the moaning PC liberal fascists are still moaning.

Moaning about "the environment", now.

They say fracking is dangerous. They say the planet is "undergoing man-made climate change that will destroy the lives of countless millions of people".

Well I've got news for you whinging lefties - you haven't a clue what you're talking about! You can't spell "environmentalist" without "mentalist"!

Fracking is good for the environment. It releases natural carbons into the ground from which we all benefit. There's no evidence whatsoever that it has damaged people's water, and no amount of propaganda from tree-hugging crusties changes that fact, because it's a FACT. End of.

Now, if you want a real scandal about what's in your water, take fluoride. Fluoride is a mind-controlling chemical that is put in your water as a thought control technique. The sneering lefties are literally trying to brainwash you and your children!

There's also no evidence that humans are warming up the planet. Who created the Earth? God, that's who (although of course the Godless anti-religious pinko fascists deny his existence).
Do people really think that us humans can actually influence Mother Nature? What stupidity! What arrogance!

The fact is, the planet is going through one of its healthy warming cycles. And that's good - it means cheap holidays for you, me, and everybody else. No longer will we have to go to Magaluf or Torremolinos to get away to the sun. We can can just go to Bognor Regis instead. And people say a warmer planet is a bad thing!

Donald Trump has it right. He has appointed Myron Ebell, a man who actually understands real science, as opposed to the fake, politically-driven fake "science" being peddled in lefty liberal universities the world over, as his head of the Environmental Protection Agency in the US. I hope Ebell winds the damn thing up and destroys the EPA like Maggie Thatcher heroically destroyed the protected, cosseted coal miners in this country in the 1980s.

Our environment doesn't need protection. It needs to be run by efficient, wealth creating, private firms. We need to be protected from the politically correct liberal elite tree huggers who want to send us back to the dark ages.

Trump has it right. We need to burn more coal. We need to burn more fossil fuels. Trump is going to being the jobs back to coal mining areas. Carbon dioxide is a life-giving natural substance which benefits everybody.

So, I have a message for all you miserable, whining, tree hugging SJWs who want me to freeze to death in my own house on winter nights. Frack off!

Burn, baby, burn!

This HAS to be an Onion-type piece of satire, surely??

It's a real piece from today's Daily Heil.

He really tells it like it is!

Seriously?

Fluoride mind control? People cannot seriously impact the environment? Fracking releases beneficial carbons into the ground? More greenhouse gases are good?

Guy is a f**king moron.

[FRACK OFF, ENVIRONMENTALISTS!]

He hasn't a f**king Scooby Doo!!!

Unfortunately, unlike with his unwanted sexual advances to women, Trump won't be able to be headed off at the pass this time.

Old Mr Trump sure had us fooled for a while. Well, a week,
The mastermind of an elite special interest  against american workers 

Mr Edell sure had us fooled for a while. He says that climate change is a myth. He's working for the Kochs, the ****

Well well if it isn't our friend the KKK, Mr Bannon is a f**king nazi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ozIHomn8Q

Britain's NUMBER ONE columnist turns both barrels on those idiot environmentalists today, and boy does he nail it! Stand by for some good, old-fashioned COMMON SENSE!

FRACK OFF, ENVIRONMENTALISTS!

JEREMY HOPKISS AT LARGE - BRITAIN'S NUMBER ONE!

So the moaning PC liberal fascists are still moaning.

Moaning about "the environment", now.

They say fracking is dangerous. They say the planet is "undergoing man-made climate change that will destroy the lives of countless millions of people".

Well I've got news for you whinging lefties - you haven't a clue what you're talking about! You can't spell "environmentalist" without "mentalist"!

Fracking is good for the environment. It releases natural carbons into the ground from which we all benefit. There's no evidence whatsoever that it has damaged people's water, and no amount of propaganda from tree-hugging crusties changes that fact, because it's a FACT. End of.

Now, if you want a real scandal about what's in your water, take fluoride. Fluoride is a mind-controlling chemical that is put in your water as a thought control technique. The sneering lefties are literally trying to brainwash you and your children!

There's also no evidence that humans are warming up the planet. Who created the Earth? God, that's who (although of course the Godless anti-religious pinko fascists deny his existence).
Do people really think that us humans can actually influence Mother Nature? What stupidity! What arrogance!

The fact is, the planet is going through one of its healthy warming cycles. And that's good - it means cheap holidays for you, me, and everybody else. No longer will we have to go to Magaluf or Torremolinos to get away to the sun. We can can just go to Bognor Regis instead. And people say a warmer planet is a bad thing!

Donald Trump has it right. He has appointed Myron Ebell, a man who actually understands real science, as opposed to the fake, politically-driven fake "science" being peddled in lefty liberal universities the world over, as his head of the Environmental Protection Agency in the US. I hope Ebell winds the damn thing up and destroys the EPA like Maggie Thatcher heroically destroyed the protected, cosseted coal miners in this country in the 1980s.

Our environment doesn't need protection. It needs to be run by efficient, wealth creating, private firms. We need to be protected from the politically correct liberal elite tree huggers who want to send us back to the dark ages.

Trump has it right. We need to burn more coal. We need to burn more fossil fuels. Trump is going to being the jobs back to coal mining areas. Carbon dioxide is a life-giving natural substance which benefits everybody.

So, I have a message for all you miserable, whining, tree hugging SJWs who want me to freeze to death in my own house on winter nights. Frack off!

Burn, baby, burn!

This HAS to be an Onion-type piece of satire, surely??

One thing came up in conversation today that I hadn't even thought of before

Remember during the election we heard that Trump had all of his support coming from "non college educated white people".

How fvcking condescending can you get.....I know plenty of trades people over here.....electricians, diesel mechanics, HVAC guys .....who spend years at trade schools, learning trades and doing apprenticeships . They are just as smart and equally, if not more informed as many of the smarmy fvcks looking down their noses at them

Is it any more fucked up than looking down your nose at someone with an advanced education as "elitist"?

We're constantly hearing from conservatives about indoctrination in universities, as if being educated and learning how to analyze and critique and consider all sides of an issue were negative things.

If I was still a farmer in Donegal, I would be just as intelligent as I am now. But I would probably know a hell of a lot less about the wider world if I had not pursued the education and career I did.

"Experts"?

Pah, people are sick of experts!

Get with the programme!

Yep, especially when the experts don't tell you what you want to hear!

One thing came up in conversation today that I hadn't even thought of before

Remember during the election we heard that Trump had all of his support coming from "non college educated white people".

How fvcking condescending can you get.....I know plenty of trades people over here.....electricians, diesel mechanics, HVAC guys .....who spend years at trade schools, learning trades and doing apprenticeships . They are just as smart and equally, if not more informed as many of the smarmy fvcks looking down their noses at them

Is it any more fucked up than looking down your nose at someone with an advanced education as "elitist"?

We're constantly hearing from conservatives about indoctrination in universities, as if being educated and learning how to analyze and critique and consider all sides of an issue were negative things. (Of course, the reason it is a problem for them is because many such people tend to start to question things like religion and conservative "positions" on scientific and cultural issues)

If I was still a farmer in Donegal, I would be just as intelligent as I am now. But I would probably know a hell of a lot less about the wider world if I had not pursued the education and career I did.