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We thought it wouldn't happen.....
Of course it still mightn't .
Mayowestros and Galway will no doubt beat Letirim and Sligo respectively.
The other 2 games will be 50/50.

Roscommon will probably win it out if they've any defensive structure in place, which I'm sure Anthony Cunningham undoubtedly will.

Find it very hard to call , only thing I will say is it's an advantage to our bucks to have all games away from Castlebar . Roscommon have a lot going for them and are the only Connacht team on an upward curve , Galway have had setbacks last two games with weakness exposed in both defence and around the middle . We are what we are under Horan and he doesn't look like changing high press up the field and hope for the best the opposition don't expose the holes at the back , ros could score around 2-12 against us minimum, can we score more .

We need more from Diarmuid , Ruane . I'd love to see us play a sweeper system but I just can't see jh going that route at this stage . There were times yesterday I thought oh fook you cannot be serious one on one again , cox exposed it last year in championship too .

Smart money is on Galway , value bet is Roscommon at 11/2 . Mayo to lift Nestor . Lol

Saturday week in Salthill could be seriously embarrassing for us. Much more likely to emulate 1990 than 2012.

Connacht outright odds.

Galway 8/11
Mayo 15/8
Roscommon 8/1
Sligo 66/1
Leitrim 125/1

The long odds on Roscommon who won 2 of the last 3 Connacht titles is a surprise but it seems punters don't fancy them to beat both Mayo, Galway.

Going on those odds if Mayo beat Roscommon they will be favourites to win the final.

Match odds for this weekend.

Mayo 1/33
Leitrim 14/1

Mayo by 16 points or more at 2/1 is what punters expect the winning margin will be.

The COVID-19 break was not good for Galway, the squad is certainly not in good form at the moment, we are down too many key players and have too many lads that while decent players to a certain degree are not going to win an All Ireland for you. Played well in the spring but there was a bit too much over hype due to the PJ factor, could have easily lost or drew the Monaghan, Donegal and Meath matches on another day.
I'd expect Galway to beat Sligo (no offence intended, that's just the way it looks) but after that I don't know, could they win a Connacht final playing like this? Certainly on the day they might pull out a performance and improve, but it's only three weeks away and if the Rossies or Mayo turn up playing well and Galway continue in this vein of form they are in serious bother.
Would they have any chance against Kerry in a semi-final if they made through Connacht? I would say no.

Positives for Galway is that Sean Kelly is turning into a really fine player, that Conroy in the form of his life and that our most important player Shane Walsh is on the recovery trail and will be available for the Championship. Outside of that though...
Lightweight in too many areas of the pitch, some players are not IC county standard. Goalkeeping issue remains a problem, kickouts remain a huge problem, midfield is weak, not enough heavy scorers up front outside of Walsh (and Conroy at the minute to give him his due).
Too many lads unavailable like Cooke, John Daly and Comer that would be up there as the best players on that Galway team if they were fit and playing. Other players that were sometimes unfairly maligned like Cathal Sweeney and Declan Kyne that have left the panel of their own volition at least had good championship performances for Galway in their locker, some of the Corofin players who have bestrode the Galway and All Ireland club championships have never, ever done it in a Senior Galway jersey, reputations not earned at Senior IC level are not applicable at that level. There's a valid reason that a "good club player" is the biggest backhanded compliment that any IC squad player could get.
Gary O'Donnell and Paul Conroy performed best in the two final league games, they are very much the old guard of the team and while it is a credit to both of them - particularly Conroy who has come back from a double leg break at 29 that would have finished a lot of players to play some of the best football of his life in 2020 between the club and county - realistically you'd want to see other lads putting the hand up. Heaney who has been a stalwart player for Galway is not in good form.

Have to stick with Ó Maoilchiaráin at FB and let him take the lumps that might come although he has played ok to date, SAOC is certainly not the answer. Not to sound like a broken record about this but John Daly is a colossal loss, far and away the best player that Galway have in that line, you can't train the football smarts that lad has, he's going to do the right thing 9 times out of 10 even when the severe pressure is on. If you look at the shot maps (@colintrainor on Twitter has a nice breakdown on these) for Dublin and Mayo against Galway they are all tap overs, defence structure isn't working to put sufficient pressure on opposition.
Midfield is all over the shop, Steede is good for a couple of scores and has good passing vision but needs a serious athlete beside him, he's unavailable as it is as well. Flynn coming off injured yesterday is another headache you could do without. Would it be worth sticking the likes of McDaid in MF? D'Arcy is game enough but up against the likes of Fenton or other top midfielders it's a total mismatch for Galway.
Ian Burke on crutches after the game yesterday but he's not a massive loss on current form either which tells it's own tale. If PJ is looking at players who are in good club form get Conneely in there against Sligo and see what he's made of, we need another big scorer in the FF line and who are the other candidates? I mean I thought Con O'Callaghan didn't get a kick for most of the game yesterday to be honest and he still got 1-2, that's the type of player you need to keep the scoreboard ticking over. Finnerty might have the odd day or two but would wonder about consistency, he's certainly worth a start at the moment though.
Comer hasn't been fit in an eternity and his last good game for Galway was two years ago but he'd make everyone else look better just by the attention he'd draw, Galway don't have the squad of players to be without the likes of him unfortunately which is the problem in itself. Shane Walsh if he returns to spring form would give you a punchers chance against most teams but Galway needs other players to get up to their top level along with him.

Realistically Dublin were in second gear - at most - yesterday and were comfortable enough for a finish, Mayo mauled Galway only 8 days ago. What can you think after watching those matches. At least the effort levels were up yesterday but outside of Conroy who looked in great form a couple of weeks before the championship throw in against Sligo? Not enough unfortunately.

Given the time of year, a bad windy day in the Connacht final (whether it's in Pearse or the Hyde) might be the kind of leveller that will make it a slog for all concerned and more of a lottery but Mayo will remain favourites for the title, Rossies are going well and have a great recent record against Galway.
Galway might have a big Connacht final in them but a massive improvement in current form will be needed, you'd love to see it but realistically you have to take it as it is, some nice performances in the Spring but good fortune with injuries and overall form of players has deserted Galway at the worst possible time in 2020.

I think we'll probably stick with O'Shea at 14. That's where he was playing all summer for Breaffy and apparently Ciaran McDonald was doing some coaching with them.

Hopefully Keegan is moved back to centre half back with Durcan and Eoghan McLaughlin either side of him. Everyone talking about sweepers after yesterday but it's really down to the half back line to not be dragged out of position and leave us exposed.

I'm not very hopeful anyway. Any momentum we had in the Spring is well and truly gone between a combination of injury, absences for other reasons and the long break in between. While everyone was fit and firing in the Spring it now feels like PJ is trying to cobble together a team in jig time and I don't think he knows his best side at the moment. With due respect to Sligo I think Galway will likely beat them no matter what so they'll be in a Connacht final but just impossible to predict what kind of side will rock up on the day. There are just too many questions over them now and likely a few players will be struggling to even get back fit in time for a Connacht final. Especially badly hit around the middle three lines of the field where all of Comer, Cooke, Steede, Flynn and J Daly are all either gone or potentially gone. You could argue all five would be in a first choice team if everyone were available.

On the other side of the ledger the injury situation has cleared up a little for both Mayo and Roscommon compared to the Spring so you'd be hard pushed to look beyond whoever wins that semi-final.

This will be a poor mouthing thread, if you ever saw one. That said whoever wins Connacht won't be within 10 points of Kerry.

Quote from: weareros on October 26, 2020, 05:54:46 PM
This will be a poor mouthing thread, if you ever saw one. That said whoever wins Connacht won't be within 10 points of Kerry.

While Kerry should win i think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how competitive that semi final will likely be.

Leitrim v Mayo live on RTÉ News Now this Sunday. Its a good while since Leitrim had a championship game live on TV. Awful shame supporters aren't allowed to attend these games but it is what it is now.

The last time there was a knock out Connacht championship was in 2000 Galway won it and ended up losing to Kerry history to repeat itself?

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 26, 2020, 04:06:46 PM
Other players that were sometimes unfairly maligned like Cathal Sweeney and Declan Kyne that have left the panel of their own volition at least had good championship performances for Galway in their locker, some of the Corofin players who have bestrode the Galway and All Ireland club championships have never, ever done it in a Senior Galway jersey, reputations not earned at Senior IC level are not applicable at that level. There's a valid reason that a "good club player" is the biggest backhanded compliment that any IC squad player could get.

Bit harsh on the Corofin lads there? I can't think of any Corofin players who ever got on the panel in recent years without earning their place, if anything they've had to work harder when they've joined the panel late on the year. The goalkeeping position is a few problems rolled into one, Power was an improvement yesterday and is a better option than Gleeson in my opinion, Gleeson's kick outs are shocking but the problem is the lack of movement out the field, for Corofin Power generally goes short but he didn't have that option yesterday and our midfield was non existent when Flynn went off.  As mentioned already I think the biggest loss we have is John Daly this year, he was rock solid at 6. I could see Bradshaw coming back in there, he showed well yesterday when he came on and he's had a good year with Moycullen. Gary O'D another option for there, it'll probably be between the 2 of them for that jersey.

Quote from: Blowitupref on October 26, 2020, 04:02:17 PM


Mayo by 16 points or more at 2/1 is what punters expect the winning margin will be.

If it's 2/1 against, that means punters generally don't expect that margin to be met. You been taking punting lessons from seafoid?

Quote from: Hound on October 26, 2020, 09:03:23 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on October 26, 2020, 04:02:17 PM


Mayo by 16 points or more at 2/1 is what punters expect the winning margin will be.

If it's 2/1 against, that means punters generally don't expect that margin to be met. You been taking punting lessons from seafoid?

It's the shortest odds on the winning margin (where the money is going) . Betting the correct score is difficult and rarely has shorter than 2/1 for any margin.

Yes but the barometer you'd use is the handicap line which is 12 with pp and 13 with bet 365  both in and around even money . So Mayo to win by 13 points or more is what the bookies expect .

Quote from: Duine Eile on October 26, 2020, 08:44:43 PM

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 26, 2020, 04:06:46 PM
Other players that were sometimes unfairly maligned like Cathal Sweeney and Declan Kyne that have left the panel of their own volition at least had good championship performances for Galway in their locker, some of the Corofin players who have bestrode the Galway and All Ireland club championships have never, ever done it in a Senior Galway jersey, reputations not earned at Senior IC level are not applicable at that level. There's a valid reason that a "good club player" is the biggest backhanded compliment that any IC squad player could get.

Bit harsh on the Corofin lads there? I can't think of any Corofin players who ever got on the panel in recent years without earning their place, if anything they've had to work harder when they've joined the panel late on the year. The goalkeeping position is a few problems rolled into one, Power was an improvement yesterday and is a better option than Gleeson in my opinion, Gleeson's kick outs are shocking but the problem is the lack of movement out the field, for Corofin Power generally goes short but he didn't have that option yesterday and our midfield was non existent when Flynn went off.  As mentioned already I think the biggest loss we have is John Daly this year, he was rock solid at 6. I could see Bradshaw coming back in there, he showed well yesterday when he came on and he's had a good year with Moycullen. Gary O'D another option for there, it'll probably be between the 2 of them for that jersey.

No issue with the number of Corofin players in the squad at any point, maybe their club exploits have made it impractical and difficult for them to have the same impact at county level, but it's difficult to listen to talk that "xyz Corofin player will make a huge difference for Galway" versus what's actually happened on the pitch, Ian Burke had a great 2018, outside of that which of them have been tearing it up for Galway lately? Sice was a good player for Galway going back into the previous decade in fairness and he is not the type of player I would have in mind here.
I'd only love the Corofin players to have the same level of success with Galway as they've had at club level but it is what it is.

I think in Galway the longer a player isn't playing the better he seems to get! We've all heard the talk about the Corofin players that should be playing but the way the club championship was laid out in previous years really didn't allow them much time to beak into the first 15 or even the panel. Ironically, this year would have been the first year they got a clear run at it but that didn't work out either. I think Steede showed that you need time to settle in, didn't start off great but management persisted with him and he had a couple of great games, so much so that we're lamenting his loss now so I'd be slow to write off he likes of Jason Leonard just yet, he needs time to settle but may not get it this year with the way games are scheduled.

Quote from: larryin89 on October 26, 2020, 09:25:08 PM
Yes but the barometer you'd use is the handicap line which is 12 with pp and 13 with bet 365  both in and around even money . So Mayo to win by 13 points or more is what the bookies expect .

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I'm a wee bit confused here as I never was a betting man. Are the odds quoted here for the Connacht Final or for the game v Leitrim? IMO, Mayo winning the CF by a margin of 13 points is crazy. If I had to bet right now, I'd put a few bob oni the Rossies. Mayo's form is fluctuating wildly and si is Galway's.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 26, 2020, 09:53:04 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on October 26, 2020, 09:25:08 PM
Yes but the barometer you'd use is the handicap line which is 12 with pp and 13 with bet 365  both in and around even money . So Mayo to win by 13 points or more is what the bookies expect .

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I'm a wee bit confused here as I never was a betting man. Are the odds quoted here for the Connacht Final or for the game v Leitrim? IMO, Mayo winning the CF by a margin of 13 points is crazy. If I had to bet right now, I'd put a few bob oni the Rossies. Mayo's form is fluctuating wildly and si is Galway's.

Stall the digger lar , tis for the Leitrim game the odds are not Connacht outright .

Quote from: larryin89 on October 26, 2020, 10:12:30 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 26, 2020, 09:53:04 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on October 26, 2020, 09:25:08 PM
Yes but the barometer you'd use is the handicap line which is 12 with pp and 13 with bet 365  both in and around even money . So Mayo to win by 13 points or more is what the bookies expect .

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I'm a wee bit confused here as I never was a betting man. Are the odds quoted here for the Connacht Final or for the game v Leitrim? IMO, Mayo winning the CF by a margin of 13 points is crazy. If I had to bet right now, I'd put a few bob oni the Rossies. Mayo's form is fluctuating wildly and si is Galway's.

Stall the digger lar , tis for the Leitrim game the odds are not Connacht outright .

Thanks Larry. I kinda thought as much but wasn't sure.

Quote from: weareros on October 26, 2020, 05:54:46 PM
This will be a poor mouthing thread, if you ever saw one. That said whoever wins Connacht won't be within 10 points of Kerry.

If they are not they should go to bed for themselves. Kerry nothing special.

As AFA stated I'll be hoping for a bad day weather wise in Salthill should Galway as expected get to the Connacht final.

Any word on Steede's injury?

Steede is "on the mend" according to the manager, sure that could mean anything to be honest!
Comer confirmed as out for the Connacht championship, he's done for the year so it's time to leave him as part of the Galway consideration to 2021 and for November 2020 it's now for someone else in the squad to try and step up and make a name for themselves.

Whatever happens in the next few weeks, great to see that the Connacht championship will be played either way, Galway are in a difficult spot in a lot of areas but hopefully they will turn it around a bit, one off knockout games will bring a different dynamic as well.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 27, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
Steede is "on the mend" according to the manager, sure that could mean anything to be honest!
Comer confirmed as out for the Connacht championship, he's done for the year so it's time to leave him as part of the Galway consideration to 2021 and for November 2020 it's now for someone else in the squad to try and step up and make a name for themselves.

Whatever happens in the next few weeks, great to see that the Connacht championship will be played either way, Galway are in a difficult spot in a lot of areas but hopefully they will turn it around a bit, one off knockout games will bring a different dynamic as well.

Doesn't sound overly positive with a Connacht Final less than 3 weeks away. I can't say I've much optimism but winning Connacht from here would be a good achievement.

Anyone know anything on Cooke, whether he'll be back next year or if he's gone for good?

I have nothing but admiration for Corofin as a club. But in fairness it is hard to argue with the case that none of them have really done the business consistently for Galway aside from Sice (he was a very consistent performer for Galway over the years).
Liam Silke is undoubtedly a fine player but has yet to really shine in a maroon jersey for whatever reason.
Ian Burke was excellent against Kerry in 2017 in a well beaten team and had a very good 2018 also (although in no way did he deserve an All Star ahead of Shane Walsh imo).
Since then his form has fallen off a cliff even at club level. The Mountbellew game was his first decent game for Corofin even in a long time.
He plays as an inside forward and needs to score more fullstop. People talk about his assists and unselfish play but he needs to get back to doing damage on the scoreboard.
I do though accept 100% that it was very hard for the Corofin guys who were on the fringes of the team to get a look in when they effectively missed entire league campaigns. An illustration of this is the fact that Sunday was Bernie Powers first ever league start for Galway, despite him having played championship in 2016. This has also hindered Steede, Molloy, Wall and the Farraghers over the past few years.
It must be said though that the Farraghers haven't taken their chance to shine when they have been given chances (Martin Farraghers strop when taken off against Mayo last year pissed me off if I'm being honest - his first start, barely touched the ball and throws a strop when taken off. Talk about a lack of self awareness).

Anyhow looking towards the Connacht campaign, Daly & Comer obviously huge losses. I would argue that the fitness of Flynn & Steede is now crucially important for us. These two plus Conroy you would hope would improve our ball winning - the lack of a quality kick out strategy notwithstanding.
To have any chance of winning Connacht we need Shane fit and in form. That is to state the blatantly obvious.
A lot can change in a short space of time, so here's hoping we get some more bodies back over the next 3 weeks.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 27, 2020, 09:19:58 AM
As AFA stated I'll be hoping for a bad day weather wise in Salthill should Galway as expected get to the Connacht final.

Venue decided already??? :o :o

Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 27, 2020, 11:28:31 AM

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 27, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
Steede is "on the mend" according to the manager, sure that could mean anything to be honest!
Comer confirmed as out for the Connacht championship, he's done for the year so it's time to leave him as part of the Galway consideration to 2021 and for November 2020 it's now for someone else in the squad to try and step up and make a name for themselves.

Whatever happens in the next few weeks, great to see that the Connacht championship will be played either way, Galway are in a difficult spot in a lot of areas but hopefully they will turn it around a bit, one off knockout games will bring a different dynamic as well.

Doesn't sound overly positive with a Connacht Final less than 3 weeks away. I can't say I've much optimism but winning Connacht from here would be a good achievement.

Anyone know anything on Cooke, whether he'll be back next year or if he's gone for good?

I assumed he was only gone for the year but I could be mistaken. He's over in NYC with the girlfriend.

Quote from: Rossfan on October 27, 2020, 12:59:04 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 27, 2020, 09:19:58 AM
As AFA stated I'll be hoping for a bad day weather wise in Salthill should Galway as expected get to the Connacht final.

Venue decided already??? :o :o

If you look back at my original post where I talked about the weather for the Connacht final I made sure to specify Pearse Stadium or Hyde Park anyway!!!
Rossies in with a great chance, they won Connacht last year and are probably better again in 2020, look to be going very well.

Quote from: galwayman on October 27, 2020, 11:35:33 AM
I have nothing but admiration for Corofin as a club. But in fairness it is hard to argue with the case that none of them have really done the business consistently for Galway aside from Sice (he was a very consistent performer for Galway over the years).
Liam Silke is undoubtedly a fine player but has yet to really shine in a maroon jersey for whatever reason.
Ian Burke was excellent against Kerry in 2017 in a well beaten team and had a very good 2018 also (although in no way did he deserve an All Star ahead of Shane Walsh imo).
Since then his form has fallen off a cliff even at club level. The Mountbellew game was his first decent game for Corofin even in a long time.
He plays as an inside forward and needs to score more fullstop. People talk about his assists and unselfish play but he needs to get back to doing damage on the scoreboard.
I do though accept 100% that it was very hard for the Corofin guys who were on the fringes of the team to get a look in when they effectively missed entire league campaigns. An illustration of this is the fact that Sunday was Bernie Powers first ever league start for Galway, despite him having played championship in 2016. This has also hindered Steede, Molloy, Wall and the Farraghers over the past few years.
It must be said though that the Farraghers haven't taken their chance to shine when they have been given chances (Martin Farraghers strop when taken off against Mayo last year pissed me off if I'm being honest - his first start, barely touched the ball and throws a strop when taken off. Talk about a lack of self awareness).

Anyhow looking towards the Connacht campaign, Daly & Comer obviously huge losses. I would argue that the fitness of Flynn & Steede is now crucially important for us. These two plus Conroy you would hope would improve our ball winning - the lack of a quality kick out strategy notwithstanding.
To have any chance of winning Connacht we need Shane fit and in form. That is to state the blatantly obvious.
A lot can change in a short space of time, so here's hoping we get some more bodies back over the next 3 weeks.

It's probably no coincidence that Ian Burke's form has slipped when Comer has been injured, Comer takes a lot of minding freeing up a bit of space for the wee one. Agree that Shane Walsh would have made a better recipient of that All Star and a greater leader for Galway also. 

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 27, 2020, 01:58:55 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on October 27, 2020, 12:59:04 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 27, 2020, 09:19:58 AM
As AFA stated I'll be hoping for a bad day weather wise in Salthill should Galway as expected get to the Connacht final.

Venue decided already??? :o :o

If you look back at my original post where I talked about the weather for the Connacht final I made sure to specify Pearse Stadium or Hyde Park anyway!!!
Rossies in with a great chance, they won Connacht last year and are probably better again in 2020, look to be going very well.

I'd be happier if we had our London game to play.
We'll be going in  after a good/bad game v Armagh and a disrupted game v Cavan, both 2nd Division.
Meanwhile Mayowestros will have 2 Division 1 games and a Championship game under their belts.
If they hit the ground running and we're  needing time to get up to pace we could be in bother and hoping for them to relapse into their old habit of wide kicking.
As I said in the 1st post that game and the Final will be 50/50 and down to "on the day".

Quote from: MayoBuck on October 26, 2020, 04:12:56 PM
I think we'll probably stick with O'Shea at 14. That's where he was playing all summer for Breaffy and apparently Ciaran McDonald was doing some coaching with them.

Hopefully Keegan is moved back to centre half back with Durcan and Eoghan McLaughlin either side of him. Everyone talking about sweepers after yesterday but it's really down to the half back line to not be dragged out of position and leave us exposed.

to my minf Aidan has to be midfield  there is no one he cant handle there. I donthink think he has or ever had the footspeed to be a full forward and is wasted in there and while Lftus has done fine hre not really a midfielder at all and could easily get caught badly further down the Line.
is this team really the one Horan has in mind for the Champion ship  leaving out hennelly barrett higgins  boyle Parsons Carr boland etc  or was he just givimg lads a chance to claim theor place which I believe Mullin conroy Eoghan Mclouglin  made the most of . I wouldln't write off moran either
but I don think horan found what he needs most , a full back or center half back

How many of the Mayo old guard are still actually involved?

Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 04:41:40 PM
How many of the Mayo old guard are still actually involved?

Andy Moran is the only one retired. Doherty and Harrison are injured and won't be back this year. Everyone else is still involved I think. Barrett and Higgins were on the bench the last 2 games.

Quote from: MayoBuck on October 27, 2020, 04:55:32 PM

Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 04:41:40 PM
How many of the Mayo old guard are still actually involved?

Andy Moran is the only one retired. Doherty and Harrison are injured and won't be back this year. Everyone else is still involved I think. Barrett and Higgins were on the bench the last 2 games.

Strange that they weren't used at all if they are in his plans. Could have done with some game time I would have thought?
Unless Leitrim are earmarked to be that game time for them as that is a no danger game for Mayo in all honesty.
Barrett could do a job full back maybe? I know it's his debut season but Mullin could play there also. He's a big strong lad for an u20.

Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 04:41:40 PM
How many of the Mayo old guard are still actually involved?

No one really knows Angelo and i dont think we will know what Horan is thinking until the Roscommon game if we get that far.The team selections so far have been strange.Irs hard to see Aido been left at ff if we are losing midfield as badly as we did on sunday.Loftus is not an inter county midfielder IMO.

No one really knows Angelo.

Quote from: rosnarun on October 27, 2020, 04:32:27 PM

Quote from: MayoBuck on October 26, 2020, 04:12:56 PM
I think we'll probably stick with O'Shea at 14. That's where he was playing all summer for Breaffy and apparently Ciaran McDonald was doing some coaching with them.

Hopefully Keegan is moved back to centre half back with Durcan and Eoghan McLaughlin either side of him. Everyone talking about sweepers after yesterday but it's really down to the half back line to not be dragged out of position and leave us exposed.

to my minf Aidan has to be midfield  there is no one he cant handle there. I donthink think he has or ever had the footspeed to be a full forward and is wasted in there and while Lftus has done fine hre not really a midfielder at all and could easily get caught badly further down the Line.
is this team really the one Horan has in mind for the Champion ship  leaving out hennelly barrett higgins  boyle Parsons Carr boland etc  or was he just givimg lads a chance to claim theor place which I believe Mullin conroy Eoghan Mclouglin  made the most of . I wouldln't write off moran either
but I don think horan found what he needs most , a full back or center half back

He's shown enough in the last 2 games for us to stick with him at 14. He takes a lot of watching even when not scoring himself. The forwards are working pretty well so there's no point ripping it up at this stage.

The defeat to Tyrone has a lot of similarities to Roscommon in the championship last year. We went into both in good form, were too gung ho while attacking and got hit on the break numerous times. Colm Boyle was brought in after the Roscommon game, it gave our full back line much more protection and we went on a bit of a run then. A similar change is needed now as unfortunately Kevin McLoughlin cannot play the same role he did with Knockmore at county level. Moving Keegan to 6 seems the obvious choice.

Its amazing how unsettled mayo and Galway are coming into this championship

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2020, 06:16:21 PM
Its amazing how unsettled mayo and Galway are coming into this championship

Mayo looked unsettled coming into many recent championships (lucky to avoid relegation) and still managed to have good championships.  Galway failed to get out of Div 2 in 2016 but it didn't stop them winning Connacht beating both Mayo and Roscommon on route. Kevin Walsh in the build up to that championship talked about how many club players turned down the opportunity to play for Galway.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2020, 06:16:21 PM
Its amazing how unsettled mayo and Galway are coming into this championship

I'd tend to agree and that's what makes ros the value bet , just can't bring myself to back them . 11/2 though serious value

Roscommon definitely the only team coming into this on the up. Mayo & Leitrim relegated, Sligo mid table in D4 and Galway despite being the form team earlier in the year, coming off the back of 2 defeats.

Hard to see sligo or Leitrim troubling Galway or Mayo tbf. The other 2 games should be good and tight though so should be a few good weeks of football. I'd have this as our strongest 15

Clarke
Barrett Coen Mullins
Durcan Keegan Boyle
Ruane DOC
McLoughlin AOS McDonagh
Conroy COC Carr/Coen

Quote from: Blowitupref on October 27, 2020, 06:32:39 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2020, 06:16:21 PM
Its amazing how unsettled mayo and Galway are coming into this championship

Mayo looked unsettled coming into many recent championships (lucky to avoid relegation) and still managed to have good championships.  Galway failed to get out of Div 2 in 2016 but it didn't stop them winning Connacht beating both Mayo and Roscommon on route. Kevin Walsh in the build up to that championship talked about how many club players turned down the opportunity to play for Galway.

I think he said a total of 56 players, for one reason or another, made themselves unavailable that year.

Quote from: moysider on October 27, 2020, 12:03:58 AM

Quote from: weareros on October 26, 2020, 05:54:46 PM
This will be a poor mouthing thread, if you ever saw one. That said whoever wins Connacht won't be within 10 points of Kerry.

If they are not they should go to bed for themselves. Kerry nothing special.

So you don't rate Kerry, give me your top 5 in order  Are you expecting Cork to turn them over?

Kerry are nearest  to Dublin, mostly because of their outrageous talent in Clifford and Sean o se with a couple more not far behind but you'd still fancy Dublin to take them .  Kerry still not rock solid in defence and I'd argue perhaps not even as solid as mayo under Rochford .

I don't think Dublin will win the All Ireland this year. It's the most open championship in a long time.

Surprised Dessie Conneely didn't get a chance last Sunday, saw a couple of Moycullens championship games and he was outstanding especially in the final.

Are Matthew Tierney & James McLaughlin on the panel? Tierney looked to be carrying an injury against Dublin in the 20's semi final the last day; McLaughlin isn't even 18 until December apparently but is some size for his age.

Quote from: macdanger2 on October 27, 2020, 11:12:21 PM
Roscommon definitely the only team coming into this on the up. Mayo & Leitrim relegated, Sligo mid table in D4 and Galway despite being the form team earlier in the year, coming off the back of 2 defeats.

Hard to see sligo or Leitrim troubling Galway or Mayo tbf. The other 2 games should be good and tight though so should be a few good weeks of football. I'd have this as our strongest 15

If you look at the recent records teams who get relegated generally go on to have miserable championships in the same year.
On the flip side promoted teams generally tend to have decent enough championships.

Quote from: magpie seanie on October 28, 2020, 12:45:40 PM
I don't think Dublin will win the All Ireland this year. It's the most open championship in a long time.

I hope you're right but Dublin are 99.9% certain to make the Semis where they'll meet a worn out Ulster team who'll have had 3 or 4 tough games compared to the Leinster stroll.
Game will be a home one for Dublin as even with no spectators the  GAA won't be levelling the playing field by using a neutral venue.

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 28, 2020, 04:55:41 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on October 27, 2020, 11:12:21 PM
Roscommon definitely the only team coming into this on the up. Mayo & Leitrim relegated, Sligo mid table in D4 and Galway despite being the form team earlier in the year, coming off the back of 2 defeats.

Hard to see sligo or Leitrim troubling Galway or Mayo tbf. The other 2 games should be good and tight though so should be a few good weeks of football. I'd have this as our strongest 15

If you look at the recent records teams who get relegated generally go on to have miserable championships in the same year.
On the flip side promoted teams generally tend to have decent enough championships.

Yeah but when is the last time you had 6 months between the first 5 games and the last 2? Who would you say are in better shape going into the Championship - Mayo in March or Mayo in October? Galway in March or Galway in October?

Of course the nature of the whole thing this year makes the matches in February and March irrelevant at this point.
Clear enough what kind of form the various teams in Connacht are in at the minute.

Quote from: From the Bunker on October 28, 2020, 05:54:49 PM

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 28, 2020, 04:55:41 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on October 27, 2020, 11:12:21 PM
Roscommon definitely the only team coming into this on the up. Mayo & Leitrim relegated, Sligo mid table in D4 and Galway despite being the form team earlier in the year, coming off the back of 2 defeats.

Hard to see sligo or Leitrim troubling Galway or Mayo tbf. The other 2 games should be good and tight though so should be a few good weeks of football. I'd have this as our strongest 15

If you look at the recent records teams who get relegated generally go on to have miserable championships in the same year.
On the flip side promoted teams generally tend to have decent enough championships.

Yeah but when is the last time you had 6 months between the first 5 games and the last 2? Who would you say are in better shape going into the Championship - Mayo in March or Mayo in October? Galway in March or Galway in October?

Neither team have the time to sort out the obvious deficiencies.
Sligo and Leitrim probably aren't good enough to cause them problems but are Roscommon?

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 28, 2020, 04:55:41 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on October 27, 2020, 11:12:21 PM
Roscommon definitely the only team coming into this on the up. Mayo & Leitrim relegated, Sligo mid table in D4 and Galway despite being the form team earlier in the year, coming off the back of 2 defeats.

Hard to see sligo or Leitrim troubling Galway or Mayo tbf. The other 2 games should be good and tight though so should be a few good weeks of football. I'd have this as our strongest 15

If you look at the recent records teams who get relegated generally go on to have miserable championships in the same year.
On the flip side promoted teams generally tend to have decent enough championships.

Apart from Roscommon who won their last 3 Connacht titles off the back of league relegation.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 28, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
Of course the nature of the whole thing this year makes the matches in February and March irrelevant at this point.
Clear enough what kind of form the various teams in Connacht are in at the minute.

Only as good as your last game as they say, Galways competitive display v Dublin gives a better idea to what form they are in.

What is Galways strongest 15 at the moment?  I'd say only 6 or 7 that started in the farcical game against Mayo two weeks ago will be championship starters.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 28, 2020, 06:21:48 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on October 28, 2020, 05:54:49 PM

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 28, 2020, 04:55:41 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on October 27, 2020, 11:12:21 PM
Roscommon definitely the only team coming into this on the up. Mayo & Leitrim relegated, Sligo mid table in D4 and Galway despite being the form team earlier in the year, coming off the back of 2 defeats.

Hard to see sligo or Leitrim troubling Galway or Mayo tbf. The other 2 games should be good and tight though so should be a few good weeks of football. I'd have this as our strongest 15

If you look at the recent records teams who get relegated generally go on to have miserable championships in the same year.
On the flip side promoted teams generally tend to have decent enough championships.

Yeah but when is the last time you had 6 months between the first 5 games and the last 2? Who would you say are in better shape going into the Championship - Mayo in March or Mayo in October? Galway in March or Galway in October?

Neither team have the time to sort out the obvious deficiencies.
Sligo and Leitrim probably aren't good enough to cause them problems but are Roscommon?

With the weather getting wetter and pitches sluggish. A lot will come down to hunger.

Cillian O'Connor named to start for Mayo. 7 players making their championship debuts.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EllGE1gWkAcqJw2?format=jpg&name=medium)

you have to hand it to horan he love to throw in a surprise or two .
Delighted to see Jordan get a run he really adds something different to Mayo much stronger an aggressive than any od the rest of them , A mixture is always good

Leitrim team.

1.Brendan Flynn
2. Donal Casey
3. Donal Wrynn
4. Conor Reynolds
5. David Bruen
6. Aidan Flynn
7. Cillian Mc Gloin
8. Mark Plunkett
9. Domnnaill Flynn
10. Conor Dolan
11. Paddy Maguire (Captain)
12. Jack Gilheaney
13. Shane Quinn
14. Evan Sweeney
15. Keith Beirne

Hopefully Páirc Seán MacD will be in damp shape and with horrible weather as otherwise it will be a cricket score by the AI Champions elect.

With the quick turnaround in games, a big squad of players is going to be important.  The Leitrim game offers an opportunity to blood players while resting some of the older stalwarts.

Quote from: From the Bunker on October 30, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
With the quick turnaround in games, a big squad of players is going to be important.  The Leitrim game offers an opportunity to blood players while resting some of the older stalwarts.

One of the issues I have always had with J H has been his reluctance to make running changes during a game even when it's clear to everyone else that things aren't going well somewhere or other. Last Sunday was an example of what  I mean.
Tyrone were dominant throughout the first half from hb to hf as Mayo's youngsters were being horsed out of it.
They just didn't have the physicality to compete.
Okay, the second half was a different matter, one that Mayo could/should have won but there's no point moaning about it now. Leitrim are no Tyrone but the barbarians from the east will be a different matter. Leaving Chris or Boyler not to mention Diarmuid and the rest of the tried and trusted vets
without match practice when the going gets tough could be a costly mistake.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 31, 2020, 03:54:53 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on October 30, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
With the quick turnaround in games, a big squad of players is going to be important.  The Leitrim game offers an opportunity to blood players while resting some of the older stalwarts.

One of the issues I have always had with J H has been his reluctance to make running changes during a game even when it's clear to everyone else that things aren't going well somewhere or other. Last Sunday was an example of what  I mean.
Tyrone were dominant throughout the first half from hb to hf as Mayo's youngsters were being horsed out of it.
They just didn't have the physicality to compete.
Okay, the second half was a different matter, one that Mayo could/should have won but there's no point moaning about it now. Leitrim are no Tyrone but the barbarians from the east will be a different matter. Leaving Chris or Boyler not to mention Diarmuid and the rest of the tried and trusted vets
without match practice when the going gets tough could be a costly mistake.

I agree Lar. It's remarkable the amount of times he's waited until halftime to make his first sub. Maybe he believes that having subs in reserve is beneficial, which it usually is. This can leave players who are having bad days for whatever reason continue until halftime at least. Time ran out last Sunday.

Mayo Sub bench some of them will start?

Ruairi Byrne
Keith Higgins
Jack Coyne
Chris Barrett
Michael Plunkett
Colm Boyle
Darren Mc Hale
James Carr
Darren Coen
James Durcan
Diarmuid O Connor


Darragh Rooney,Shane Moran,Ryan O’Rourke are three important players not even on the Leitrim bench today

Sadly this is a case if what the margin will be.
Anyway C'MON LAYTHRUM!!!

10 minutes played. Leitrim 0-4 Mayo 0-0.

Half time Leitrim 0-6 Mayo 1-6. A competitive display by the home side in that half, Mayo have the strong wind advantage 2nd half.

Isn't Cora having a blinder? Easily the star of the show so far..

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 01, 2020, 01:57:19 PM
Isn't Cora having a blinder? Easily the star of the show so far..

You think?  ::)

50 minutes played. Leitrim 0-9 Mayo 2-9.

Full time Leitrim 0-10 Mayo 2-15. Brave effort by Leitrim but Mayo good value for their margin of victory.

Won easy in the end alright. Different kettle of fish next Sunday though.

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 01, 2020, 12:37:05 PM
Mayo Sub bench some of them will start?

Ruairi Byrne
Keith Higgins
Jack Coyne
Chris Barrett
Michael Plunkett
Colm Boyle
Darren Mc Hale
James Carr
Darren Coen
James Durcan
Diarmuid O Connor


Darragh Rooney,Shane Moran,Ryan O'Rourke are three important players not even on the Leitrim bench today

Who's Jack Coyne?

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 01, 2020, 03:41:53 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 01, 2020, 12:37:05 PM
Mayo Sub bench some of them will start?

Ruairi Byrne
Keith Higgins
Jack Coyne
Chris Barrett
Michael Plunkett
Colm Boyle
Darren Mc Hale
James Carr
Darren Coen
James Durcan
Diarmuid O Connor


Darragh Rooney,Shane Moran,Ryan O'Rourke are three important players not even on the Leitrim bench today

Who's Jack Coyne?

Ballyhaunis club man.

Cheers. Have never heard of him tbh, what position does he play? Young enough I presume?

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 01, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
Cheers. Have never heard of him tbh, what position does he play? Young enough I presume?

He was corner back on the U20 team earlier this year.

Brave effort Leitrim and th'oul pitch* did ye no harm.

*Rumours it was deemed unplayable Saturday night.

The pitch was awful and the mudbath aka the Hyde will be even worse and that about the only certainty we have going into our visit there next week.
This will be our fourth game in as many weeks on heavy waterlogged pitches and what surprises me is that, to date, we have gotten away with relatively few injuries.


In the other hand, the woolly jumpers will have had a good, long rest leading up to the encounter and we'll be lucky if we can keep the ball kicked out to them.
Still, we came out of Carrick with some positives. Cillian is getting back to his best form and he made all the difference today.  I couldn't find fault with any of the newcomers today. Some played better than others but none of them shirked at any time.
The future's looking good already! However, next Sunday is all that matters right now and we will emerge from the Hyde covered in glory or sheep shit!
Something tells me it will be the first option.

The Hyde has the best surface of the county grounds in Connacht.

Roscommon 15/8
Mayo 8/15
Draw 15/2

If I was a Rossie, I'd be all over that

Quote from: Tubberman on November 01, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
The Hyde has the best surface of the county grounds in Connacht.

Correct.
Lar is either living in the past or trying to wind us up.

Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 08:33:58 PM

Quote from: Tubberman on November 01, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
The Hyde has the best surface of the county grounds in Connacht.

Correct.
Lar is either living in the past or trying to wind us up.

He's stuck in 2016 by the looks of it.

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 01, 2020, 08:14:24 PM
Roscommon 15/8
Mayo 8/15
Draw 15/2

If I was a Rossie, I'd be all over that

The Rossies haven't have a hope. Mayo might put out the B again next week.  Mayo season will start against Kerry.

Quote from: kerryforsam20 on November 01, 2020, 08:47:41 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 01, 2020, 08:14:24 PM
Roscommon 15/8
Mayo 8/15
Draw 15/2

If I was a Rossie, I'd be all over that

The Rossies haven't have a hope. Mayo might put out the B again next week.  Mayo season will start against Kerry.

Another Roscommon poster planted under the guise of a different county .

Roscommon are favourites imo in a game which is at best 50/50 for optimistic mayo supporters . We are simply too light around the middle , Loftus is not going to make a midfielder for big games I don't know what that experiment is all about and Ruane has lost a lot of the positive impact he was making in his first season and a half or so . I have a really bad feeling ros will knock lumps out of our fresh on the scene lads but this is part of the process of transition I'm afraid .

Quote from: larryin89 on November 01, 2020, 08:54:16 PM

Quote from: kerryforsam20 on November 01, 2020, 08:47:41 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 01, 2020, 08:14:24 PM
Roscommon 15/8
Mayo 8/15
Draw 15/2

If I was a Rossie, I'd be all over that

The Rossies haven't have a hope. Mayo might put out the B again next week.  Mayo season will start against Kerry.

Another Roscommon poster planted under the guise of a different county .

Roscommon are favourites imo in a game which is at best 50/50 for optimistic mayo supporters . We are simply too light around the middle , Loftus is not going to make a midfielder for big games I don't know what that experiment is all about and Ruane has lost a lot of the positive impact he was making in his first season and a half or so . I have a really bad feeling ros will knock lumps out of our fresh on the scene lads but this is part of the process of transition I'm afraid .

That enough of yerra talk. Mayo to  win 8-12 points in first gear.

We don't say yerra, we say arra.  ;)

I just can't see us winning next week's game. A lot would need to go right for us and team selection will be key. Apart from Cillian O'Connor today nobody really stood out against Leitrim. My motm today. True the conditions didn't do any favours for anyone. I'm really worried about our middle third of the field. Mattie Ruane seems to drift in and out of games. Loftus isn't a dominant midfielder in my opinion. The number 6 position is a mystery. Three different players in the last three games. Plunkett is the most natural however. The Keegan corner back experiment must be going to continue. He's played there for the past three games and I'm not ok with it. Coen seems to fit Horan's full back approach but he's too slow for my liking. Cox or whoever could cause havoc if they're quick.

I could be wrong, but maybe Horan was treating the Leitrim game as an 'extra' league game, if you get me. But selection is going to be crucial next week, as are the use of subs if things go awkward early on. Add in the extra week rest and recovery, Roscommon are in a very good place ahead of next week.

You'd have to expect that we won't see any of the "old guard" of Higgins, Boyle, Barrett, Vaughan, etc. starting next weekend considering that none of them have seen any minutes yet

Edit: didn't notice earlier but Barrett got some game time today

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
We don't say yerra, we say arra.  ;)

I just can't see us winning next week's game. A lot would need to go right for us and team selection will be key. Apart from Cillian O'Connor today nobody really stood out against Leitrim. My motm today. True the conditions didn't do any favours for anyone. I'm really worried about our middle third of the field. Mattie Ruane seems to drift in and out of games. Loftus isn't a dominant midfielder in my opinion. The number 6 position is a mystery. Three different players in the last three games. Plunkett is the most natural however. The Keegan corner back experiment must be going to continue. He's played there for the past three games and I'm not ok with it. Coen seems to fit Horan's full back approach but he's too slow for my liking. Cox or whoever could cause havoc if they're quick.

I could be wrong, but maybe Horan was treating the Leitrim game as an 'extra' league game, if you get me. But selection is going to be crucial next week, as are the use of subs if things go awkward early on. Add in the extra week rest and recovery, Roscommon are in a very good place ahead of next week.

Debatable. 15 of the first choice 26 have been isolating for the last two weeks which is far from ideal preparation for a high stakes knock out championship game. Those players only seen game action in one game since the inter County season returned. 

hard to see many changes next week . I think horan has made his stand and decided the future is now.
there probably should have been more baby steps take in years previous but .

we are where we are

Quote from: Tubberman on November 01, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
The Hyde has the best surface of the county grounds in Connacht.

Which doesn't say a lot for any of the grounds in Connacht. Given the weather we've been having for the last few weeks and given the forecast for the coming week, the Hyde will be no better than Pairc Sean was today. Also, next Sunday will be Mayo's fourth game on the trot on heavy underfoot pitches and will have to be leg weary. Ross will have the benefit of a free weekend.
Janey Mac, I'm getting worried already!

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
We don't say yerra, we say arra.  ;)

100% and this is not widely enough known outside of Connacht.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 01, 2020, 10:15:32 PM

Quote from: Tubberman on November 01, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
The Hyde has the best surface of the county grounds in Connacht.

Which doesn't say a lot for any of the grounds in Connacht. Given the weather we've been having for the last few weeks and given the forecast for the coming week, the Hyde will be no better than Pairc Sean was today. Also, next Sunday will be Mayo's fourth game on the trot on heavy underfoot pitches and will have to be leg weary. Ross will have the benefit of a free weekend.
Janey Mac, I'm getting worried already!

Páirc Seán is a natural clay pitch and with all the rain in recent days it was probably lucky to get the go ahead. The Hyde Park pitch was relaid a few years ago, not just the best surface in Connacht but one of the best pitches in Ireland now.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 01, 2020, 10:22:15 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
We don't say yerra, we say arra.  ;)

100% and this is not widely enough known outside of Connacht.

I thought ye said "Musha" in Galway.

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 01, 2020, 10:27:56 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 01, 2020, 10:15:32 PM

Quote from: Tubberman on November 01, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
The Hyde has the best surface of the county grounds in Connacht.

Which doesn't say a lot for any of the grounds in Connacht. Given the weather we've been having for the last few weeks and given the forecast for the coming week, the Hyde will be no better than Pairc Sean was today. Also, next Sunday will be Mayo's fourth game on the trot on heavy underfoot pitches and will have to be leg weary. Ross will have the benefit of a free weekend.
Janey Mac, I'm getting worried already!

Páirc Seán is a natural clay pitch and with all the rain in recent days it was probably lucky to get the go ahead. The Hyde Park pitch was relaid a few years ago, not just the best surface in Connacht but one of the best pitches in Ireland now.

I don't disagree with you but I think you are missing my point.
Next Sunday will be Mayo's fourth straight game on heavy winter pitches. I suppose the Hyde is the best pitch in Connacht but given the long range weather forecast, all of Connacht will be lashed out of it. Roscommon town will be no exception.
I'm not particularly moaning about anything. We're lucky that the games are going ahead and it's better to see Mayo playing four games in a row than to be out of the running altogether.
That doesn't take fro the fact that I feel next Sunday will be one game too many for Mayo.

Quote from: weareros on November 01, 2020, 11:12:43 PM

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 01, 2020, 10:22:15 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
We don't say yerra, we say arra.  ;)

100% and this is not widely enough known outside of Connacht.

I thought ye said "Musha" in Galway.

Arra we say a biteen of musha too in my neck of the woods.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
We don't say yerra, we say arra.  ;)

I just can't see us winning next week's game. A lot would need to go right for us and team selection will be key. Apart from Cillian O'Connor today nobody really stood out against Leitrim. My motm today. True the conditions didn't do any favours for anyone. I'm really worried about our middle third of the field. Mattie Ruane seems to drift in and out of games. Loftus isn't a dominant midfielder in my opinion. The number 6 position is a mystery. Three different players in the last three games. Plunkett is the most natural however. The Keegan corner back experiment must be going to continue. He's played there for the past three games and I'm not ok with it. Coen seems to fit Horan's full back approach but he's too slow for my liking. Cox or whoever could cause havoc if they're quick.

I could be wrong, but maybe Horan was treating the Leitrim game as an 'extra' league game, if you get me. But selection is going to be crucial next week, as are the use of subs if things go awkward early on. Add in the extra week rest and recovery, Roscommon are in a very good place ahead of next week.

Ah come on! No offence meant Farran but this is rubbish!

I know a lot will say it's the aul Beal bocht but I've never heard as many supporters have such little confidence heading into a championship game v Ros , i just can't see how we can compete around the middle at present . And the defensive system Horan has is very old fashioned man marking which in turn leaves a massive problem when said defenders like to burst up the pitch a lot .

Could not bring myself to back Roscommon but there is some value in that 15/8 in a three horse race .

https://vimeo.com/user28836006/download/474131500/bc687da490

Quote from: weareros on November 01, 2020, 11:12:43 PM

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 01, 2020, 10:22:15 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
We don't say yerra, we say arra.  ;)

100% and this is not widely enough known outside of Connacht.

I thought ye said "Musha" in Galway.

Don't think they are mutually exclusive weareros!!

Arrah musha will ye shtop.

Hard to know how next Sunday will go.
Mayowestros have a Championship game under their belt which is a big plus but how much good will playing in the swamp in Carrick do them when they run out on the super pitch in the Hyde?
Anthony has virtually a full deck to choose from so we should see our strongest 15/26 for the first time since about 2016.
Big question is will Horan go back to the oul dogs or will he let his new lads out to sink or swim on what is a free hit for them?

My grandmother of achill island shtock used to say arrragh was the devils mother , whatever that was all about I don't know .

Yes the most interesting aspect to the build up to this game is guessing horans match day panel , he got fairly irate when asked by the press why he named Brickenden to start and then didn't . Hope I'm wrong but gave me the impression he was under pressure . Think he left the press waiting half hour after the game too.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 01, 2020, 10:15:32 PM

Quote from: Tubberman on November 01, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
The Hyde has the best surface of the county grounds in Connacht.

Which doesn't say a lot for any of the grounds in Connacht. Given the weather we've been having for the last few weeks and given the forecast for the coming week, the Hyde will be no better than Pairc Sean was today. Also, next Sunday will be Mayo's fourth game on the trot on heavy underfoot pitches and will have to be leg weary. Ross will have the benefit of a free weekend.
Janey Mac, I'm getting worried already!

Roscommon have hardly had ideal preparation for this game, We hadn't the manager or half the squad at training for the last two weeks.

Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
Big question is will Horan go back to the oul dogs or will he let his new lads out to sink or swim on what is a free hit for them?

I'd be pretty sure he won't go back to the old guard for his starting 15 anyway although they may be called on late in the game

MF is probably where we're weakest, Ruane plus AN Other, if it was me I'd start DOC there and bring AOS out to CHF to help with that problem

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 02, 2020, 04:35:33 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
Big question is will Horan go back to the oul dogs or will he let his new lads out to sink or swim on what is a free hit for them?

I'd be pretty sure he won't go back to the old guard for his starting 15 anyway although they may be called on late in the game

MF is probably where we're weakest, Ruane plus AN Other, if it was me I'd start DOC there and bring AOS out to CHF to help with that problem

Depends on what he's doing , personally I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see boyler and Vaughan involved on Sunday .

David Gough ref for Sunday so no funny stuff or dramatic diving.

Quote from: giveballaghback on November 02, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
David Gough ref for Sunday so no funny stuff or dramatic diving.

There are a few lads there that know how to simulate a free alright and throw in a nasty dig or knee

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 02, 2020, 07:34:34 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on November 02, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
David Gough ref for Sunday so no funny stuff or dramatic diving.

There are a few lads there that know how to simulate a free alright and throw in a nasty dig or knee

Name and shame these dastardly folk .

At least Gough will give some protection to Aidan inside.

Quote from: larryin89 on November 02, 2020, 08:22:25 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 02, 2020, 07:34:34 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on November 02, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
David Gough ref for Sunday so no funny stuff or dramatic diving.

There are a few lads there that know how to simulate a free alright and throw in a nasty dig or knee

Name and shame these dastardly folk .

Arra musha, ye can name them alright but what good would that do? Them Rossies have no shame whatever. Sure they'd be only doin' what comes natural to them.  ;D

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.the42.ie/david-gough-opts-out-2020-championship-5135418-Jun2020/%3famp=1

When did gough change his mind? I thought he was distancing himself from the lads this year?

Sligo sounding like they'll be the first team seriously affected by COVID-19 during the championship.

Quote from: highorlow on November 02, 2020, 09:51:03 PM
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.the42.ie/david-gough-opts-out-2020-championship-5135418-Jun2020/%3famp=1

When did gough change his mind? I thought he was distancing himself from the lads this year?

Months ago as he was the ref for a few of the recent NFL games.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1102/1175561-sligo-footballers-confirm-positive-covid-19-cases/  (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1102/1175561-sligo-footballers-confirm-positive-covid-19-cases/)

Galway to be parachuted into an All Ireland QF.

It's no good whatsoever to Galway if they get a walkover.

Seven players!! That's a lot coming into championship week. We know from Fermanagh's experience that sweet fcuk all will be done and Sligo will more than likely have to forfeit, or else make do with what they have left. Totally unfair.

Little Sligo will likely be told "tough luck folks".
Now if it was Dublin......

Push this match and the Connacht final out a week is the only slight room they have to manoeuvre on this one, there's three weeks from Connacht final to AI semi match whereas it's two weeks for all the other provinces, it could be done.
Precident for other matches where there is no wiggle room is the problem I'm sure.

Well if there's three weeks between cf and aisf I can't see why there would be a problem pushing the cf out a week to give Sligo a chance of fielding a team .

The GAA should have been clear on what the policy is for this from the start so that everyone knows where they stand. Whatever rule applies to sligo in this instance should apply to all other counties where it will inevitably happen also

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 03, 2020, 01:09:28 PM
The GAA should have been clear on what the policy is for this from the start so that everyone knows where they stand. Whatever rule applies to sligo in this instance should apply to all other counties where it will inevitably happen also

Can't see any county with a shout of winning something getting lads tested and taking the risk.

With Covid cases and contacts the Connacht GAA would have to push the match back two weeks for all those players to be available for selection. 

It's a wonder the CB hasn't issued a statement yet. Surely they must have anticipated a situation like this happening and have a set policy in place?

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 03, 2020, 03:04:57 PM
It's a wonder the CB hasn't issued a statement yet. Surely they must have anticipated a situation like this happening and have a set policy in place?

and give themselves no wriggle room?

Eamon O'Hara tweeting the game is off.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 03, 2020, 09:51:10 PM
Eamon O'Hara tweeting the game is off.

If true I presume most of their team are considered as close contacts.

It is off and forfeited

Tier 2 teams being to realise exactly what their place is in the GAA

Very unfortunate for all concerned, hope all the Sligo players who have tested positive get well soon and are not seriously affected in their personal health.

Health is the most important thing but obviously this is brutal for the Galway team, need matches the way this year is setup.

Galway Bay fm Sport understands that the Connacht SFC semi final between Galway and Sligo is OFF. A statement from the Sligo GAA county board is imminent but the game has been conceded so Galway are through to the Connacht final against either Mayo or Roscommon without kicking a ball.
It appears Sligo GAA felt a postponement of the game wasn't an option as the infected players and those waiting on test results would still have been unavailable for a refixture.
Reports emerged yesterday of multiple cases of Covid 19 in the Sligo panel, with only 18 to 20 players allegedly available for Saturday's game in Pearse Stadium. Seven positive cases have been confirmed, with test results awaited by several others from the Sligo squad in the next 24 hours.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 03, 2020, 10:43:33 PM
Galway Bay fm Sport understands that the Connacht SFC semi final between Galway and Sligo is OFF. A statement from the Sligo GAA county board is imminent but the game has been conceded so Galway are through to the Connacht final against either Mayo or Roscommon without kicking a ball.
It appears Sligo GAA felt a postponement of the game wasn't an option as the infected players and those waiting on test results would still have been unavailable for a refixture.
Reports emerged yesterday of multiple cases of Covid 19 in the Sligo panel, with only 18 to 20 players allegedly available for Saturday's game in Pearse Stadium. Seven positive cases have been confirmed, with test results awaited by several others from the Sligo squad in the next 24 hours.

They got their covid protocols completely wrong if that is the case

Best wishes to the players concerned. Hope no after effects.
Makes a farce of the Connacht Championship though.

I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

Sligo GAA statement.

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Sligo GAA have taken the tough decision to withdraw from this weekend's Connacht SFC semi-final versus Galway.

Paul Taylor and his management team along with the panel of 32 players have been working together since September. Due to the unforeseen circumstances of players testing positive for Covid-19 and other players deemed as close contacts, makes it impossible for Sligo to fulfil the fixture.

The county board executive along with the players and management are extremely upset at having to make this decision. The players themselves are hugely disappointed at not having the option of a re-fixture and feel the outcome has been forced on them, whilst understanding that in these unusual times it is not possible to take part this coming weekend.

All affected by Covid-19 findings are following the requisite HSE guidelines and we are glad to report doing well at this time. 

Sligo GAA have informed GAA officials at Croke Park and Connacht GAA of this regrettable but correct decision.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

I wouldn't say there are cover ups happening but I wouldn't be surprised if counties are choosing not to test because they don't want to know.

Disappointing for Sligo, I hope that all other counties are treated in a consistent manner. Probably not great for Galway's prep either

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 04, 2020, 02:19:34 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

I wouldn't say there are cover ups happening but I wouldn't be surprised if counties are choosing not to test because they don't want to know.

Disappointing for Sligo, I hope that all other counties are treated in a consistent manner. Probably not great for Galway's prep either

I'd say this is closer to the truth. If you don't test for Covid-19 you won't find it. This was always a possibility given the condensed season. When you look at the Covid situation in some counties like Cork, Donegal and Wexford it's amazing they haven't lost players

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

What are you on about? Plenty of more counties have been effected by covid. Antrim and Offaly hurlers. Wexford had four cases on their football team and two on their hurling team. Tyrone had a confirmed case on their football team as had Donegal a bit before the league. We ourselves were down 14 players and our manager for the league game against Cavan, We missed all those for two weeks training and only had them back last Saturday.

From what I understand, Sligo has 7 positive cases and a couple of close contacts while they await results on another group of players today. Why did they pull out before this 2nd group of players results came back? I have to say it smells to me like they took the opportunity to bail out of what they thought might be a hammering to Galway.

Sligo hurlers also conceded a game a few weeks ago, wasnt much of a word about that.

How many players did the Galway u20 have missing through Covid for an All Ireland semi, I'm fairly sure it was was at least 5?

Quote from: oliverkelly on November 04, 2020, 08:31:11 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

With the minimal testing in place it seems you have to be really unlucky to lose a player to Covid.

What are you on about? Plenty of more counties have been effected by covid. Antrim and Offaly hurlers. Wexford had four cases on their football team and two on their hurling team. Tyrone had a confirmed case on their football team as had Donegal a bit before the league. We ourselves were down 14 players and our manager for the league game against Cavan, We missed all those for two weeks training and only had them back last Saturday.

I think Sligo should fulfill the fixture but I suppose it was a paddling to nothing for them but it does take away from the integrity of the Championship.

You had Donegal and Tyrone facing off in the first weekend of Championship while Galway are parachuted into an All Ireland QF without having to play a game. It's a farce.

If they were doing a Championship this year, it should have been an open draw.

Quote from: dublin7 on November 04, 2020, 10:26:46 AM

Quote from: oliverkelly on November 04, 2020, 08:31:11 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

With the minimal testing in place it seems you have to be really unlucky to lose a player to Covid.

What are you on about? Plenty of more counties have been effected by covid. Antrim and Offaly hurlers. Wexford had four cases on their football team and two on their hurling team. Tyrone had a confirmed case on their football team as had Donegal a bit before the league. We ourselves were down 14 players and our manager for the league game against Cavan, We missed all those for two weeks training and only had them back last Saturday.

Cavan had plenty of issues from COVID, the entire Crosserlough team was missing for our league game against Kildare. Our issues started before most counties and effected the league more so that the championship. We had two potential starters missing against Monaghan but I am not sure why. Cavan also took extra precautions for their league games as a result, players driving individually to matches instead of using a team bus. Roscommon used a bus to Armagh and cost themselves 14 players. I dont know what Sligo were doing but maybe they werent following best practice. You also have no evidence to back up any alegations of COVID test "fraud" in any county.

Quote from: Itchy on November 04, 2020, 11:35:58 AM

Quote from: dublin7 on November 04, 2020, 10:26:46 AM

Quote from: oliverkelly on November 04, 2020, 08:31:11 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

With the minimal testing in place it seems you have to be really unlucky to lose a player to Covid.

What are you on about? Plenty of more counties have been effected by covid. Antrim and Offaly hurlers. Wexford had four cases on their football team and two on their hurling team. Tyrone had a confirmed case on their football team as had Donegal a bit before the league. We ourselves were down 14 players and our manager for the league game against Cavan, We missed all those for two weeks training and only had them back last Saturday.

Cavan had plenty of issues from COVID, the entire Crosserlough team was missing for our league game against Kildare. Our issues started before most counties and effected the league more so that the championship. We had two potential starters missing against Monaghan but I am not sure why. Cavan also took extra precautions for their league games as a result, players driving individually to matches instead of using a team bus. Roscommon used a bus to Armagh and cost themselves 14 players. I dont know what Sligo were doing but maybe they werent following best practice. You also have no evidence to back up any alegations of COVID test "fraud" in any county.

I never mentioned fraud, you did. What I did say was the testing is minimal compared to rugby and soccer. If you don't test players you won't find covid. I'm not the only cyncial one when it comes to testing. Club championshis have shown players are willing to cover up tests, Sean Cavanagh believes players will cover up symptoms avoid tests if they have to. Conor McKenna admitted Tyrone didn't take up the rapid test option from the GAA after one of their players tested positive for Covid a couple of weeks ago.

To be honest it's very disappointing to see people speculating when they do not know the full facts. And the full facts are to do with the health of amateur players it must be remembered.

Quote from: magpie seanie on November 04, 2020, 01:27:40 PM
To be honest it's very disappointing to see people speculating when they do not know the full facts. And the full facts are to do with the health of amateur players it must be remembered.

Totally agree, those speculating need to cop themselves on. The main story here is about the Sligo players that got the virus and I hope they all make a quick and fully recovery. Sligo GAA are right to be upset that this fixture isn't rescheduled and are forced to give a walk over, John Prenty staying very quiet I noticed.

Could easily have moved the Final back a week to facilitate Sligo.
There would still be 2 weeks to the AI semi.
Why do I keep thinking if it was Galway or Rhubarbia we'd see a different outcome.

Quote from: Rossfan on November 04, 2020, 01:53:53 PM
Could easily have moved the Final back a week to facilitate Sligo.
There would still be 2 weeks to the AI semi.
Why do I keep thinking if it was Galway or Rhubarbia we'd see a different outcome.

What happens if one of the teams in the final test positive? It's hardly fair to say "tough sh*t" to them.

So long as they don't make a different call on future games, every team has a fair shot

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 04, 2020, 01:46:16 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on November 04, 2020, 01:27:40 PM
To be honest it's very disappointing to see people speculating when they do not know the full facts. And the full facts are to do with the health of amateur players it must be remembered.

Totally agree, those speculating need to cop themselves on. The main story here is about the Sligo players that got the virus and I hope they all make a quick and fully recovery. Sligo GAA are right to be upset that this fixture isn't rescheduled and are forced to give a walk over, John Prenty staying very quiet I noticed.

He's not really - I've heard him on the news twice today saying that Sligo never requested a postponement and that a week wouldn't have been much good to them if they did because you need to isolate for 10 or 14 days.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 04, 2020, 09:46:41 AM
How many players did the Galway u20 have missing through Covid for an All Ireland semi, I'm fairly sure it was was at least 5?

6 or 7 I think.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 04, 2020, 01:46:16 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on November 04, 2020, 01:27:40 PM
To be honest it's very disappointing to see people speculating when they do not know the full facts. And the full facts are to do with the health of amateur players it must be remembered.

Totally agree, those speculating need to cop themselves on. The main story here is about the Sligo players that got the virus and I hope they all make a quick and fully recovery. Sligo GAA are right to be upset that this fixture isn't rescheduled and are forced to give a walk over, John Prenty staying very quiet I noticed.

Prenty was doing the rounds this morning.

QuoteConnacht Council CEO John Prenty says it wouldn't have been possible to postpone this Saturday's provincial semi-final between Sligo and Galway.

Sligo have withdrawn from the Championship due to a number of positive coronavirus tests among their panel and former Roscommon goalkeeper Shane Curran feels a postponement should have been afforded to the Yeats County.

"The regulations set up by the national CCCC is that unless there's a clear 13 days between the original fixture and the next fixture then you have to give a walkover," Prenty said on OTB AM.

"There isn't 13 days between the Connacht semi-finals and the final so Sligo took the decision to concede the game, they didn't look for a postponement because close contacts are out of action for 14 days so a postponement wouldn't have helped the situation.

"The situation not only involves Sligo, it also involves Mayo, Roscommon and Galway. If we had postponed the Connacht semi-final from Saturday to the following week that would also mean postponing the final.

"The Galway, Mayo or Roscommon could get in the same situation and then you're exasperating the problem down the line. There's no wiggle room really because of the national schedule and the unpredictability about what's going to happen with COVID."

The Connacht CEO also responded to claims that an accommodation would have been reached for one of the traditionally strong county teams.

"Everybody in this situation is going to be dealt with in exactly the same way. Everybody knew the situation when we were thrilled to be able to get the Championship going.

"I think last weekend for the whole country it was great for people who were isolated and at home to be able to watch and listen to games. Unfortunately Sligo are in this situation but this is an unprecedented pandemic and unfortunately Sligo are in the situation which they are.

"I'd like to compliment Sligo on the huge efforts they made, because their protocols have been A1 and they've dealt with this in the best and most appropriate manner possible, they've done exactly the right thing."

Whatever the ins and outs of all of this are - it's very disappointing for Sligo not to be able to play in this championship.
Best wishes to all affected players.

Quote from: galwayman on November 04, 2020, 03:23:19 PM
Whatever the ins and outs of all of this are - it's very disappointing for Sligo not to be able to play in this championship.
Best wishes to all affected players.

its an awful shame but if postponement were allowed its very easy to see the whole thing be coming a mess.  how many players wouls you need for a postpone ment /  do 5 subs = one star player how do you proved it covid related as oppose to a normal injury crisis ?
the 2021 championship would be finished before it

Quote from: dublin7 on November 04, 2020, 11:58:57 AM

Quote from: Itchy on November 04, 2020, 11:35:58 AM

Quote from: dublin7 on November 04, 2020, 10:26:46 AM

Quote from: oliverkelly on November 04, 2020, 08:31:11 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

With the minimal testing in place it seems you have to be really unlucky to lose a player to Covid.

What are you on about? Plenty of more counties have been effected by covid. Antrim and Offaly hurlers. Wexford had four cases on their football team and two on their hurling team. Tyrone had a confirmed case on their football team as had Donegal a bit before the league. We ourselves were down 14 players and our manager for the league game against Cavan, We missed all those for two weeks training and only had them back last Saturday.

Cavan had plenty of issues from COVID, the entire Crosserlough team was missing for our league game against Kildare. Our issues started before most counties and effected the league more so that the championship. We had two potential starters missing against Monaghan but I am not sure why. Cavan also took extra precautions for their league games as a result, players driving individually to matches instead of using a team bus. Roscommon used a bus to Armagh and cost themselves 14 players. I dont know what Sligo were doing but maybe they werent following best practice. You also have no evidence to back up any alegations of COVID test "fraud" in any county.

I never mentioned fraud, you did. What I did say was the testing is minimal compared to rugby and soccer. If you don't test players you won't find covid. I'm not the only cyncial one when it comes to testing. Club championshis have shown players are willing to cover up tests, Sean Cavanagh believes players will cover up symptoms avoid tests if they have to. Conor McKenna admitted Tyrone didn't take up the rapid test option from the GAA after one of their players tested positive for Covid a couple of weeks ago.

You implied it

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

No evidence produced, just shite talk

Quote from: Itchy on November 04, 2020, 07:26:38 PM

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Quote from: Itchy on November 04, 2020, 11:35:58 AM

Quote from: dublin7 on November 04, 2020, 10:26:46 AM

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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

With the minimal testing in place it seems you have to be really unlucky to lose a player to Covid.

What are you on about? Plenty of more counties have been effected by covid. Antrim and Offaly hurlers. Wexford had four cases on their football team and two on their hurling team. Tyrone had a confirmed case on their football team as had Donegal a bit before the league. We ourselves were down 14 players and our manager for the league game against Cavan, We missed all those for two weeks training and only had them back last Saturday.

Cavan had plenty of issues from COVID, the entire Crosserlough team was missing for our league game against Kildare. Our issues started before most counties and effected the league more so that the championship. We had two potential starters missing against Monaghan but I am not sure why. Cavan also took extra precautions for their league games as a result, players driving individually to matches instead of using a team bus. Roscommon used a bus to Armagh and cost themselves 14 players. I dont know what Sligo were doing but maybe they werent following best practice. You also have no evidence to back up any alegations of COVID test "fraud" in any county.

I never mentioned fraud, you did. What I did say was the testing is minimal compared to rugby and soccer. If you don't test players you won't find covid. I'm not the only cyncial one when it comes to testing. Club championshis have shown players are willing to cover up tests, Sean Cavanagh believes players will cover up symptoms avoid tests if they have to. Conor McKenna admitted Tyrone didn't take up the rapid test option from the GAA after one of their players tested positive for Covid a couple of weeks ago.

You implied it

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

No evidence produced, just shite talk

He's well known for that on here.

When do Roscommon usually name their team ?

Usually don't make it public.

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Quote from: dublin7 on November 04, 2020, 11:58:57 AM

Quote from: Itchy on November 04, 2020, 11:35:58 AM

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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
I am skeptical no other counties are affected, Sligo is in the bottom 5 number of cases compared to others. Leitrim is the lowest yet the only 3 counties affected by covid along with Fermanagh.

I'd say a fair few cover-ups happening within county setups. Before you comment look at what the Dodgers did in the world series final game.

Privately I did say I would be surprised if they get to finish the championship. Imagine if covid had hit Mayo, Roscommon and Galway would Sligo be Connacht champions by default? It's farcical.

For me I am disappointed in part because you always think you have a chance but also know we likely avoided a hammering. I just care about the wellbeing of everyone affected tbh and their families. Wishing all a speedy recovery.

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

With the minimal testing in place it seems you have to be really unlucky to lose a player to Covid.

What are you on about? Plenty of more counties have been effected by covid. Antrim and Offaly hurlers. Wexford had four cases on their football team and two on their hurling team. Tyrone had a confirmed case on their football team as had Donegal a bit before the league. We ourselves were down 14 players and our manager for the league game against Cavan, We missed all those for two weeks training and only had them back last Saturday.

Cavan had plenty of issues from COVID, the entire Crosserlough team was missing for our league game against Kildare. Our issues started before most counties and effected the league more so that the championship. We had two potential starters missing against Monaghan but I am not sure why. Cavan also took extra precautions for their league games as a result, players driving individually to matches instead of using a team bus. Roscommon used a bus to Armagh and cost themselves 14 players. I dont know what Sligo were doing but maybe they werent following best practice. You also have no evidence to back up any alegations of COVID test "fraud" in any county.

I never mentioned fraud, you did. What I did say was the testing is minimal compared to rugby and soccer. If you don't test players you won't find covid. I'm not the only cyncial one when it comes to testing. Club championshis have shown players are willing to cover up tests, Sean Cavanagh believes players will cover up symptoms avoid tests if they have to. Conor McKenna admitted Tyrone didn't take up the rapid test option from the GAA after one of their players tested positive for Covid a couple of weeks ago.

You implied it

Strange how come the championship none of the big counties seem to have been effected. Wexford for example has seen a massive spike in cases in the last few weeks mainly due to the GAA, but none of their players missed the game at the weekend. Cavan has one of the worst infection rates in the country yet they haven't lost any players.

No evidence produced, just shite talk

I'm confused. Your angry at my allegations of fraud even though I didn't make any. That's quality Donald Trumpesque points your making. You need to stop watching the US elections 

Feck off ye 2. This thread is for Connacht people.

Terribly unfortunate for the players involved and hope they make a full recovery.

I thought the following sentence from the Sligo board statement a bit curious:

QuoteDue to the unforeseen circumstances of players testing positive for Covid-19 and other players deemed as close contacts, makes it impossible for Sligo to fulfil the fixture.

Are they saying that players testing positive was unforeseen or that other players being deemed close contacts was unforeseen.
The former can't really be unforeseen, is somebody external to the panel telling them that other players must be deemed close contacts? I didn't think that was the case.

Of course, I could be reading too much into this and maybe they meant the unfortunate circumstances, rather than unforeseen.

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on November 05, 2020, 12:43:55 AM
Terribly unfortunate for the players involved and hope they make a full recovery.

I thought the following sentence from the Sligo board statement a bit curious:

QuoteDue to the unforeseen circumstances of players testing positive for Covid-19 and other players deemed as close contacts, makes it impossible for Sligo to fulfil the fixture.

Are they saying that players testing positive was unforeseen or that other players being deemed close contacts was unforeseen.
The former can't really be unforeseen, is somebody external to the panel telling them that other players must be deemed close contacts? I didn't think that was the case.

Of course, I could be reading too much into this and maybe they meant the unfortunate circumstances, rather than unforeseen.

Its the HSE who decide who are close contacts and who has to self isolate. Well that is who made the call when Roscommon panel had the case

FAO the Galway lads here - although it might only be for the sake of one game in Connacht this year!

Galway Senior Football Championship Panel 2020:
1.   Bernard Power (Corofin)
2.   Conor Gleeson (Dunmore MacHales)
3.   Ronan Ó Beolain (Mícheál Breathnach)
4.   Liam Silke (Corofin)
5.   Kieran Molloy (Corofin)
6.   Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
7.   Seán Kelly (Moycullen)
8.   Cathal Sweeney (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
9.   Johnny Duane (St James')
10.   James Foley (Mountbellew/Moylough)
11.   Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Naomh Anna, Leitir Mór)
12.   Seán Ó Maoilchiaráin (Aran Islands)
13.   Johnny Heaney (Killannin)
14.   Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
15.   Cillian McDaid (Monivea-Abbey)
16.   Conor Campbell (Claregalway)
17.   Ronan Steede (Corofin)
18.   Tom Flynn (Athenry)
19.   John Maher (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
20.   Maitias Ó Bairéid (Naomh Anna, Leitir Mór)
21.   Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Mícheál Breathnach)
22.   Cein D'Arcy (Caherlistrane)
23.   Ian Burke (Corofin)
24.   Jason Leonard (Corofin)
25.   Gary Sice (Corofin)
26.   Robert Finnerty (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
27.   Evan Murphy (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
28.   Dessie Conneely (Moycullen)
29.   Paul Kelly (Moycullen)
30.   Paul Conroy (St James')
31.   Michael Daly (Mountbellew/Moylough)
32.   Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin/Clonberne)
33.   Damien Comer (Annaghdown)
34.   Adrian Varley (Cortoon Shamrocks)
35.   Liam Costello (Milltown)
36.   Eamon Brannigan (St. Michael's)
37.   Matthew Tierney (Oughterard)

15 players from 2019 championship panel gone which shows the huge turnover in panel numbers year on year and in all honesty about 3/4 of those missing players I'd say would be in the starting team if they were fit and available which isn't that great really facing into a winner take all Connacht final in 9 days time.

Interesting to see Evan Murphy called in, no more than his clubmate Maher I wouldn't have predicted that based on club championship this year, although he was a good minor prospect in 2016, has been out of the frame since then from both playing soccer and also with a fairly serious injury.
Paul Kelly, Cathal Sweeney and Matthew Tierney in from the U20 team, whatever about this year Sweeney and Tierney in particular have the ability to be really special footballers for Galway down the road but making that leap from underage to Senior has proved very tricky for the lads that have looked our best U21/20 players over the last few years (Daly and McDaid looked world beaters at U21 level but Seán Kelly has been the most effective player for Galway Seniors from that team to date) so hopefully they pan out better in that respect.

Murphy can't have played much football since 2017, surprised he's back in. The last time I saw him play was in a minor quarter final against Cavan where he was poor.  Good to see Cathal Sweeney in, I thought he was the standout player from that minor team 2 years ago. I'd give McDaid plenty of time, barely played much football since he came back from Australia, had big injury problems last year and this. After Walsh & Comer he's the most impressive player I've seen at U21 level the last 7 or 8 years. Tierney looks to have all the ability to be a top player but looks like he's still got a lot of filling out to do.

Daly has been a major disappointment, wouldn't mind see him get a run out at midfield given the issues Galway have although I suspect they've done that in training and its not worked.

Interesting article on the Mayo midfield - https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-mayo-s-midfield-gamble-paying-off-so-far-1.4400462

Nice 32 player panel there.

According to local radio, after tests, 10 Sligo players and 1 back room team member have Covid.

Murphy, in his second year, was probably the best minor prospect ive seen for Galway since Michael Meehan. Maybe James McLaughlin last year would be close. Id say that leg injury has set him back no end but he's definitely talented and probably good experience with a view to next year. Realistically we're not going to see any real new faces this year, with the opposition to be Mayo/Ros and Kerry if lucky thereafter.

Eoin Finnerty was maybe the standout forward of the club championship so strange not to see him there, possibly his own reasons. One other player that's dropped off from the spring seems to be Daragh Silke. I sense Joyce really fancies Tierney, throwing him into that close game against Kerry in spring off the back of an u20 game indicated as much. Again, unlikely we'll see him though this championship in the circumstances. Dessie Connelly would be another one who's at the peak of his powers but probably won't see a field due to his lack of previous experience in a senior shirt.

Mayo team named...

1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Oisín Mullin - Kilmaine
3. Chris Barrett - Clontarf
4. Lee Keegan - Westport
5. Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Eoghan McLaughlin - Westport
8. Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
9. Conor Loftus - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
10. Bryan Walsh - Ballintubber
11. Ryan O'Donoghue - Belmullet
12. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
13. Tommy Conroy - The Neale
14. Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy (C)
15. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber

Is Kevin McLoughlin injured? Class player. Strange he is not in at 10.

I assume this isn't a dummy team as it wouldn't be Horan's style?

Quote from: galwayman on November 06, 2020, 01:43:35 PM
Is Kevin McLoughlin injured? Class player. Strange he is not in at 10.

I assume this isn't a dummy team as it wouldn't be Horan's style?

Horan rarely starts with his published team. I'd expect McLoughlin to start in the half forward line in place of Walsh or O Donoghue.

Roscommon team also named.

Colm Lavin – Éire Óg
David Murray – Padraig Pearses
Conor Daly – Padraig Pearses
Sean Mullooly – Strokestown
Ronan Daly – Padraig Pearses
Brian Stack – St Brigids
Niall Daly – Padraig Pearses
Cathal Compton – Strokestown
Tadhg O'Rourke – Tulsk
Niall Kilroy – Fuerty
Enda Smith – Boyle
Cian McKeon – Boyle
Donie Smith – Boyle
Conor Cox – Éire Óg
Cathal Cregg – Western Gaels

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 06, 2020, 02:06:19 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 06, 2020, 01:43:35 PM
Is Kevin McLoughlin injured? Class player. Strange he is not in at 10.

I assume this isn't a dummy team as it wouldn't be Horan's style?

Horan rarely starts with his published team. I'd expect McLoughlin to start in the half forward line in place of Walsh or O Donoghue.

Roscommon team also named.

Colm Lavin – Éire Óg
David Murray – Padraig Pearses
Conor Daly – Padraig Pearses
Sean Mullooly – Strokestown
Ronan Daly – Padraig Pearses
Brian Stack – St Brigids
Niall Daly – Padraig Pearses
Cathal Compton – Strokestown
Tadhg O'Rourke – Tulsk
Niall Kilroy – Fuerty
Enda Smith – Boyle
Cian McKeon – Boyle
Donie Smith – Boyle
Conor Cox – Éire Óg
Cathal Cregg – Western Gaels

one player from the county champions

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 06, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
one player from the county champions

Were you expecting more? Mayo have none from their county champions but Kevin McLoughlin will likely start.

It's an all County team (excepting 1 town sadly).
2 of Brigid's best players are only 17.
As strong a team as we've fielded or had available for a while.
The 11 subs will interesting and will no doubt include 2 Murtaghs, 2 Lennons, Finbarr Cregg, Conor Hussey, Conor Devaney, Ultan Harney and Shane Killoran.
Bring it on......!!!

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 06, 2020, 03:24:32 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 06, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
one player from the county champions

Were you expecting more? Mayo have none from their county champions but Kevin McLoughlin will likely start.

He wasn't in the 26 the last day.

Is it just me or is Stephen Coen a bit slow/cumbersome for intercounty football?
I thought he was easily turned when he lined out as fullback and moving him out to chb could leave him more exposed.
Other than that, I think the team is as good as it gets.......Conor Loftus?
I think Horan/ McDonald see  something there that''s not immediately obvious to me but he certainly has come in as a footballer compared to what he was before this year.
Finally, one big plus is the return to form of Cillian.
I felt he had lost his way in recent years where he seemed to spend far too much time handbagging and swapping petty insults with whoever came his way. Right now, I feel he'll make the difference tomorrow.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
Is it just me or is Stephen Coen a bit slow/cumbersome for intercounty football?
I thought he was easily turned when he lined out as fullback and moving him out to chb could leave him more exposed.
Other than that, I think the team is as good as it gets.......Conor Loftus?
I think Horan/ McDonald see  something there that''s not immediately obvious to me but he certainly has come in as a footballer compared to what he was before this year.
Finally, one big plus is the return to form of Cillian.
I felt he had lost his way in recent years where he seemed to spend far too much time handbagging and swapping petty insults with whoever came his way. Right now, I feel he'll make the difference tomorrow.

Mark it down Lar - I agree with everything you've said ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on November 06, 2020, 04:17:46 PM
It's an all County team (excepting 1 town sadly).

Some strong Ballagh connections all the same on the Ros team, more so than the Mayo team for a change. Hopefully a good omen.

Quote from: Tubberman on November 07, 2020, 01:29:12 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
Is it just me or is Stephen Coen a bit slow/cumbersome for intercounty football?
I thought he was easily turned when he lined out as fullback and moving him out to chb could leave him more exposed.
Other than that, I think the team is as good as it gets.......Conor Loftus?
I think Horan/ McDonald see  something there that''s not immediately obvious to me but he certainly has come in as a footballer compared to what he was before this year.
Finally, one big plus is the return to form of Cillian.
I felt he had lost his way in recent years where he seemed to spend far too much time handbagging and swapping petty insults with whoever came his way. Right now, I feel he'll make the difference tomorrow.

Mark it down Lar - I agree with everything you've said ;)

An rud is annamh, is iontach! ;D
What's seldom is wonderful!

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
Is it just me or is Stephen Coen a bit slow/cumbersome for intercounty football?
I thought he was easily turned when he lined out as fullback and moving him out to chb could leave him more exposed.
Other than that, I think the team is as good as it gets.......Conor Loftus?
I think Horan/ McDonald see  something there that''s not immediately obvious to me but he certainly has come in as a footballer compared to what he was before this year.
Finally, one big plus is the return to form of Cillian.
I felt he had lost his way in recent years where he seemed to spend far too much time handbagging and swapping petty insults with whoever came his way. Right now, I feel he'll make the difference tomorrow.

I'm probably in a minority here but I like Coen despite him being slow as you say and a disaster when it comes to shooting. I think a holding 6 is his best position

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 07, 2020, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
Is it just me or is Stephen Coen a bit slow/cumbersome for intercounty football?
I thought he was easily turned when he lined out as fullback and moving him out to chb could leave him more exposed.
Other than that, I think the team is as good as it gets.......Conor Loftus?
I think Horan/ McDonald see  something there that''s not immediately obvious to me but he certainly has come in as a footballer compared to what he was before this year.
Finally, one big plus is the return to form of Cillian.
I felt he had lost his way in recent years where he seemed to spend far too much time handbagging and swapping petty insults with whoever came his way. Right now, I feel he'll make the difference tomorrow.

I'm probably in a minority here but I like Coen despite him being slow as you say and a disaster when it comes to shooting. I think a holding 6 is his best position

Yeah, there seems to be more to Coen than meets the eye. He has been captain of Minor, Under 20 and Sigerson national titles.  He seems to be a leader.  Because of the standard of players available to Mayo in the past he has often ended up playing unorthodox roles.

(https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/3859859/original/?width=500&version=3859859)

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 07, 2020, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
Is it just me or is Stephen Coen a bit slow/cumbersome for intercounty football?
I thought he was easily turned when he lined out as fullback and moving him out to chb could leave him more exposed.
Other than that, I think the team is as good as it gets.......Conor Loftus?
I think Horan/ McDonald see  something there that''s not immediately obvious to me but he certainly has come in as a footballer compared to what he was before this year.
Finally, one big plus is the return to form of Cillian.
I felt he had lost his way in recent years where he seemed to spend far too much time handbagging and swapping petty insults with whoever came his way. Right now, I feel he'll make the difference tomorrow.

I'm probably in a minority here but I like Coen despite him being slow as you say and a disaster when it comes to shooting. I think a holding 6 is his best position

There's no harm having a 6 that's happy to sit back in front of the full back line. The problem will be when he comes up against a pacy centre half forward. Probably why he's been moved around so much.

Quote from: From the Bunker on November 07, 2020, 10:38:18 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 07, 2020, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
Is it just me or is Stephen Coen a bit slow/cumbersome for intercounty football?
I thought he was easily turned when he lined out as fullback and moving him out to chb could leave him more exposed.
Other than that, I think the team is as good as it gets.......Conor Loftus?
I think Horan/ McDonald see  something there that''s not immediately obvious to me but he certainly has come in as a footballer compared to what he was before this year.
Finally, one big plus is the return to form of Cillian.
I felt he had lost his way in recent years where he seemed to spend far too much time handbagging and swapping petty insults with whoever came his way. Right now, I feel he'll make the difference tomorrow.

I'm probably in a minority here but I like Coen despite him being slow as you say and a disaster when it comes to shooting. I think a holding 6 is his best position

Yeah, there seems to be more to Coen than meets the eye. He has been captain of Minor, Under 20 and Sigerson national titles.  He seems to be a leader.  Because of the standard of players available to Mayo in the past he has often ended up playing unorthodox roles.

(https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/3859859/original/?width=500&version=3859859)

I dont really rate him myself but he had some CV as you have pointed out so obviously has something  to not only make those successful teams but to captain them. He probably put in a man of the match performance against us tomorrow after me saying I dont really rate him. But managers seem to trust him for Mayo he has been played in numerous positions to do a job. I dont think he has a brilliant skill level to nail down a certain position for Mayo but he makes up for what he lacks skills wise with work rate. Similar in a way to O'Rourke for us who will never win you a game by kicking scores or doing a run but will do the basics right and rarely makes mistakes.

The Sligo saga hasn't run its course yet.
https://westernpeople.ie/2020/11/07/sligo-players-insist-they-wanted-to-play-galway/

SLIGO PLAYERS INSIST THEY WANTED TO PLAY GALWAY

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 07, 2020

Sligo GAA has been thrown into a state of turmoil by a statement released last night by the Sligo senior football panel which today had been due to travel to Pearse Stadium to play Galway in the semi-finals of the Connacht SFC.

The game was cancelled earlier this week after it emerged a number of Sligo players had tested positive for Covid-19, with the decision to withdraw the team from the competition relayed in a statement that was released on behalf of the county board, players and management.
However, the Sligo players who remained virus-free, available to play and who could have togged out against Galway later today moved to clarify their position on Friday night, saying that they wanted to fulfil the fixture but that the opportunity was taken from them.

"The perception that Sligo senior footballers did not want to fulfil this weekend's fixture is incorrect," read the statement. "All players who could feasibly make themselves available wanted to play the game.

"The players are disappointed the game could not proceed for reasons outside their control. No member of the panel will be making any further comment at this time," the statement concluded.

The fact the game does not proceed means Galway reach this year's Connacht SFC Final without playing a game. Mayo and Roscommon, meanwhile, will face off in Hyde Park this Sunday afternoon for the right to play the Tribesmen, with Mayo having already beaten Leitrim in a Connacht quarter-final.

Poor Rhubarbíns need 3 games to win Connacht while Herrins only need 1.

Quote from: Rossfan on November 08, 2020, 12:28:36 AM
Poor Rhubarbíns need 3 games to win Connacht while Herrins only need 1.

You mean "Herons" as in Heron chokers, don't you? That's what an oul' shawlie from the Claddagh told me anyway.


BTW, I thought I was the only one around who has got so used to the American election coverage that I am finding it hard to go to bed at a civilized time tonight.
What's your excuse? Shit scared ye won't keep the ball kicked out to us? >:( >:(

Hopefully we'll be able to kick an odd one to ourselves.
Fkn weird Ros v Rhubarbs in a Championship match and me nor anyone else going to it and it being played in November.
Also strange that Lar and his fellow travellers havent got this up to 100 pages.
Quare times we're livin in.
Anyway
UP ROS💛💙💛💙💛💙💛💙

Genuinely downbeat about this one but still the optimistic mindset tends to creep in as we get closer to throw in . Aido and Cillian are in very good form but we really need Diarmuid and Ruane to up the ante today . Ruane cannot persist with this bad habit he has of running down a cul  de sac . I hope JH is not afraid to change tactics if we are getting hammered in the middle, you have to change it if it's not working ie bring Aido out the field or dare I say it Oisín Mullen .

Benches to today a few may start especially for Mayo.

(https://i.ibb.co/4g3tFqX/Screenshot-20201108-110836-com-google-andro-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Vv2n76)

(https://i.ibb.co/F7fY60W/Screenshot-20201108-111221-2.png) (https://ibb.co/RHM62BS)

Quote from: Rossfan on November 08, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
Hopefully we'll be able to kick an odd one to ourselves.
Fkn weird Ros v Rhubarbs in a Championship match and me nor anyone else going to it and it being played in November.
Also strange that Lar and his fellow travellers havent got this up to 100 pages.
Quare times we're livin in.
Anyway
UP ROS💛💙💛💙💛💙💛💙

;D
Sez yer man who's put up 50% oif the posts and 90% of the shite on this thread.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 06, 2020, 08:38:39 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 06, 2020, 03:24:32 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 06, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
one player from the county champions

Were you expecting more? Mayo have none from their county champions but Kevin McLoughlin will likely start.

He wasn't in the 26 the last day.

To the surprise of no one Kevin McLoughlin is starting.

Good from mayo so far but it's a strong breeze. Compton is playing puck at MF

Mayo looking well the better team.
Not sure the wind is having a massive impact.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 08, 2020, 01:08:34 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 06, 2020, 08:38:39 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 06, 2020, 03:24:32 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 06, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
one player from the county champions

Were you expecting more? Mayo have none from their county champions but Kevin McLoughlin will likely start.

He wasn't in the 26 the last day.

To the surprise of no one Kevin McLoughlin is starting.

He's been excellent too along with the OConnors and Durcan. Roscommon's tackling is very poor it has to be said, all bluster and no technique

Half time Roscommon 0-5 Mayo 1-8. Mayo full value for the lead, fully tuned in and high intensity in their play Roscommon in comparison are flat and very loose in defence

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 08, 2020, 02:17:09 PM
Half time Roscommon 0-5 Mayo 1-8. Mayo full value for the lead, fully tuned in and high intensity in their play Roscommon in comparison are flat and very loose in defence

Probably should be further ahead but they kicked a clatter of wides in the last 15 minutes there. Has kept the Rossies just about in it still.

Mayo up and down. Playing with no midfield. Roscommon have to be commended for sticking at it after the goal, another team would have thrown the towel in. All to play for in the 2nd.

I wish Dessie would shut up about the benches

Unfortunately for the Rossies, Mayo are in the groove. All Ireland contenders versus non-contenders

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 02:29:27 PM
I wish Dessie would shut up about the benches

Wish he would just shut up period !
Captain Obvious

The Michael Owen of the Sunday game.

Wonder what odds Paddy Durcan is for FOTY

Div 1 verses Div 2

Well done Mayo, huge energy levels. Very flat from us.

Mayo have a tradition of flirting with NFL relegation and then late in the league putting in a couple of pure beat 'em up performances

They did it to Roscommon at the Hyde one Easter Sunday, 2016

Crushed them

This is straight from that page

They are on their bully pulpit again today

The persistent fouling by Mayo has gone largely unpunished. Referees will need to cop on to how they foul to kill momentum and started handing out cards accordingly.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
The persistent fouling by Mayo has gone largely unpunished. Referees will need to cop on to how they foul to kill momentum and started handing out cards accordingly.

ZZZZZZZZZZ

FT Roscommon 0-13 Mayo 1-16. Mayo into their first Connacht final in 5 years and on the evidence of today they will be hard beaten in that final.

Roscommon never got going looked extremely flat,  the covid issue perhaps played a part in their flat performance.

Mayo very impressive today. Durcan is a class act. Keegan seemed to make a lot of interceptions as well. 7 and 11 for Mayo were very good too.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
The persistent fouling by Mayo has gone largely unpunished. Referees will need to cop on to how they foul to kill momentum and started handing out cards accordingly.

Dessie called it strategic fouling 🙄🙄

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
The persistent fouling by Mayo has gone largely unpunished. Referees will need to cop on to how they foul to kill momentum and started handing out cards accordingly.

Every mark, free that Roscommon won a mayo player slowed it down.
Mayo the better team all round, Roscommon looked rudderless

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 08, 2020, 03:20:13 PM
Mayo very impressive today. Durcan is a class act. Keegan seemed to make a lot of interceptions as well. 7 and 11 for Mayo were very good too.

Durcan and James McCarthy two best wing backs in the country at the moment.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 08, 2020, 03:37:18 PM

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
The persistent fouling by Mayo has gone largely unpunished. Referees will need to cop on to how they foul to kill momentum and started handing out cards accordingly.

Every mark, free that Roscommon won a mayo player slowed it down.
Mayo the better team all round, Roscommon looked rudderless

Compton got free against him when took from wrong position but Mayo lad had stepped in front of him.

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 08, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
FT Roscommon 0-13 Mayo 1-16. Mayo into their first Connacht final in 5 years and on the evidence of today they will be hard beaten in that final.

Roscommon never got going looked extremely flat,  the covid issue perhaps played a part in their flat performance.

Mayo far and away the in form team, Rossies looked bad because Mayo made them look bad.
Galway will need to pull a big performance out of somewhere but going in without any matches is a killer really.

Mayo were well up for it early on and put the game away from Ros a long way from the finish and really coasted through the second half.  Surprised at Ros, they were just so slow and ponderous and really didn't lay a glove on Mayo.  That's 2 reasonable championship games under the belt now for Mayo and will deservedly start as warm favs for the Conn final.  Thankfully Galways many COVID related issues appear to have cleared up from the latter stages of the league but we will need to see a major improvement in performance and form of a few key players to trouble Mayo.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 08, 2020, 03:41:51 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 08, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
FT Roscommon 0-13 Mayo 1-16. Mayo into their first Connacht final in 5 years and on the evidence of today they will be hard beaten in that final.

Roscommon never got going looked extremely flat,  the covid issue perhaps played a part in their flat performance.

Mayo far and away the in form team, Rossies looked bad because Mayo made them look bad.
Galway will need to pull a big performance out of somewhere but going in without any matches is a killer really.

Galway having same issues as Roscommon with goalkeeper and midfield. Galway will struggle with the Mayo press on restarts.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 08, 2020, 03:41:51 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 08, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
FT Roscommon 0-13 Mayo 1-16. Mayo into their first Connacht final in 5 years and on the evidence of today they will be hard beaten in that final.

Roscommon never got going looked extremely flat,  the covid issue perhaps played a part in their flat performance.

Mayo far and away the in form team, Rossies looked bad because Mayo made them look bad.
Galway will need to pull a big performance out of somewhere but going in without any matches is a killer really.

Roscommon was bad and it had little to do with how Mayo made them look poor. Throughout the game allowed Mayo too much time and room on the ball, defensively far to loose allowing Mayo in for easy scores, The Diarmuid O'Connor goal highlighted that.  You won't win many championship matches playing like that especially against a top 6 side like Mayo.

If Galway defend well the final it might be a closer game but does PJ focus any effort on his defence?

Mayo seemed to be inspired by their countyman winning the US presidency

They nearly won Sam several times under Taoiseach Kenny but they have Uncle Sam in their corner now

Maybe they were just Biden their time until Ballina Joe came along, and therefore it's hard to see Galway bate them

Will Walsh be back for next weekend for Galway? Presume Comer is still missing

That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Had to go for a long walk after that.
Jases we were awful.
Stupidity started before the game not taking the wind when winning the toss.
Defence (which in fairness contains only 2 defenders) was so loose and the annoying walking pace funereal moving the ball backwards and sideways....don't get me started.
And of course Lavin got caught dawdling on the ball too once again.
No drive or pace and the odd ball into the forwards was so bad they could do feck all.
Anthony Cunningham hadn't his finest hour on the sideline either.
I'm hoping the Covid case and the 2 weeks isolation and missed training might be the reason we were so flat.
But jases why the fck we weren't tearing into those rhubarb jerseys .....?

Did you see any rhubarb growing on the side of the road when you were on the walk

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Seriously have you played championship football before - at club level I mean?
Going into a game cold is absolutely of zero benefit.
I'd much prefer to play three weeks on the bounce if I was a player

Congrats to Mayo. Best team from the throw-in, where we began with a foolish foul. A few things bothered me. Anyone who knows the wind patterns of the Hyde know it normally blows into graveyard end, so deciding to play against it when it was blowing into town end was high risk. No surprise it died down and advantage was lost. We would still have lost as Mayo were playing at higher pitch and intensity. Then at half time Cunningham should have changed to a 3 man full forward line of Murtagh, Lennon and Smith, but persisted with Cox double marked who simply does not have pace or skill to deal with that attention. He should have pulled Enda out to midfield as Durcan was winning that battle and winning it well, and brought Ciaran Murtagh into half forwards. Instead he brought Diarmuid on for 10 mins at end. I do think the majority not having played much since Armagh game due to Covid interruption was somewhat responsible for flatness. Well done to Mayo. They should go on to win Connacht and have every chance of being in an All-Ireland final again. Still very thankful to team  and management for earning promotion.

Two provincial champions beaten in one day. That's one for the record books

Best team won. Rossies were poor and must be disappointed. Galway will be a different animal.

Quote from: Mayo Border on November 08, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
Two provincial champions beaten in one day. That's one for the record books

Kevin McStay was having a good laugh about it. Hard to see Galway or Cork stopping Mayo in current form from reaching another All-Ireland final.

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 04:19:43 PM
Will Walsh be back for next weekend for Galway? Presume Comer is still missing

Walsh is back. Comer won't be.

Galway still favourites, we were relegated they nearly won the league . Game in Tuam was nothing more than a challenge game stroll for Galway .

Roscommon were useless today and are not going anywhere tbh , I really thought they had improved greatly under Cunningham but they are nowhere near fit to compete at the top level , still firmly a tier below top six .

Only thing that can stop Dublin is covid19 , sin e .

Quote from: larryin89 on November 08, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
Galway still favourites, we were relegated they nearly won the league . Game in Tuam was nothing more than a challenge game stroll for Galway .

Roscommon were useless today and are not going anywhere tbh , I really thought they had improved greatly under Cunningham but they are nowhere near fit to compete at the top level , still firmly a tier below top six .

Only thing that can stop Dublin is covid19 , sin e .

My bollix Galway are favourites. But sure then you say that for every Mayo game.

Quote from: weareros on November 08, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
Congrats to Mayo. Best team from the throw-in, where we began with a foolish foul. A few things bothered me. Anyone who knows the wind patterns of the Hyde know it normally blows into graveyard end, so deciding to play against it when it was blowing into town end was high risk. No surprise it died down and advantage was lost. We would still have lost as Mayo were playing at higher pitch and intensity. Then at half time Cunningham should have changed to a 3 man full forward line of Murtagh, Lennon and Smith, but persisted with Cox double marked who simply does not have pace or skill to deal with that attention. He should have pulled Enda out to midfield as Durcan was winning that battle and winning it well, and brought Ciaran Murtagh into half forwards. Instead he brought Diarmuid on for 10 mins at end. I do think the majority not having played much since Armagh game due to Covid interruption was somewhat responsible for flatness. Well done to Mayo. They should go on to win Connacht and have every chance of being in an All-Ireland final again. Still very thankful to team  and management for earning promotion.

I'd say 90% of the time if there's a wind in the first half it nearly always dies away by the time the second half begins, especially if the pitch isn't a sea-side pitch.
I'd love to hear Cunningham's reasoning for playing against the wind after winning the toss.

The flatness by Roscommon was unreal.
Was close enough to challenge match intensity by them.

Last 2 sentences says it all sadly.

Quote from: twohands!!! on November 08, 2020, 07:16:25 PM

Quote from: weareros on November 08, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
Congrats to Mayo. Best team from the throw-in, where we began with a foolish foul. A few things bothered me. Anyone who knows the wind patterns of the Hyde know it normally blows into graveyard end, so deciding to play against it when it was blowing into town end was high risk. No surprise it died down and advantage was lost. We would still have lost as Mayo were playing at higher pitch and intensity. Then at half time Cunningham should have changed to a 3 man full forward line of Murtagh, Lennon and Smith, but persisted with Cox double marked who simply does not have pace or skill to deal with that attention. He should have pulled Enda out to midfield as Durcan was winning that battle and winning it well, and brought Ciaran Murtagh into half forwards. Instead he brought Diarmuid on for 10 mins at end. I do think the majority not having played much since Armagh game due to Covid interruption was somewhat responsible for flatness. Well done to Mayo. They should go on to win Connacht and have every chance of being in an All-Ireland final again. Still very thankful to team  and management for earning promotion.

I'd say 90% of the time if there's a wind in the first half it nearly always dies away by the time the second half begins, especially if the pitch isn't a sea-side pitch.
I'd love to hear Cunningham's reasoning for playing against the wind after winning the toss.

The flatness by Roscommon was unreal.
Was close enough to challenge match intensity by them.

It's one thing that absolutely infuriates me about the Galway team - how they are so hot and cold in terms of being "up" for games in terms of the intensity with which they play.
In fairness to Mayo they rarely are found wanting in that department.

I was really impressed by the way the younger players played today. I was very nervous about this game. People have stated that Roscommon were awful, which they were. Mayo could have been 10 points up at halftime. Hard to find fault with any player because they all did well. The tackling and intensity that they all brought to the game was excellent. However, Roscommon might have made it look good.

Enough about Ros. Mayo are back in a Connacht final, against Galway in Salthill. What went on previously in Tuam will have no bearing on the outcome, of that one can be certain of. Mayo probably will be the bookies favourites. That in itself will be motivation enough for Galway to perform.

I thought the mixture of youth and experience was good today from Mayo so I'm glad to be proven wrong ;D

Very enjoyable Sunday punching down the noisy neighbours. Thought the aggression was at the required level. Shot conversion rate will have to improve. Paddy Durcan is a machine

Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

It doesn't and it's not.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

Why so ?

Quote from: larryin89 on November 08, 2020, 08:17:29 PM

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

Why so ?

Will always suit a big physical team, like Dublin, Donegal, Mayo are big and gifted but that Ruthless underbelly is missing!

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 08:19:32 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on November 08, 2020, 08:17:29 PM

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

Why so ?

Will always suit a big physical team, like Dublin, Donegal, Mayo are big and gifted but that Ruthless underbelly is missing!

A big physical team , Loftus and Ruane in midfield , don't think there has ever been lads so narrow with 8&9 on their back .

Quote from: larryin89 on November 08, 2020, 08:24:07 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 08:19:32 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on November 08, 2020, 08:17:29 PM

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

Why so ?

Will always suit a big physical team, like Dublin, Donegal, Mayo are big and gifted but that Ruthless underbelly is missing!

A big physical team , Loftus and Ruane in midfield , don't think there has ever been lads so narrow with 8&9 on their back .

Yeah, the current mayo team is fast rather than physical

So we are agreed it doesn't exactly suit Mayo when we have in fact mostly summer type footballers , ie dry sod good bounce fast football .

Quote from: twohands!!! on November 08, 2020, 07:16:25 PM

Quote from: weareros on November 08, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
Congrats to Mayo. Best team from the throw-in, where we began with a foolish foul. A few things bothered me. Anyone who knows the wind patterns of the Hyde know it normally blows into graveyard end, so deciding to play against it when it was blowing into town end was high risk. No surprise it died down and advantage was lost. We would still have lost as Mayo were playing at higher pitch and intensity. Then at half time Cunningham should have changed to a 3 man full forward line of Murtagh, Lennon and Smith, but persisted with Cox double marked who simply does not have pace or skill to deal with that attention. He should have pulled Enda out to midfield as Durcan was winning that battle and winning it well, and brought Ciaran Murtagh into half forwards. Instead he brought Diarmuid on for 10 mins at end. I do think the majority not having played much since Armagh game due to Covid interruption was somewhat responsible for flatness. Well done to Mayo. They should go on to win Connacht and have every chance of being in an All-Ireland final again. Still very thankful to team  and management for earning promotion.

I'd say 90% of the time if there's a wind in the first half it nearly always dies away by the time the second half begins, especially if the pitch isn't a sea-side pitch.
I'd love to hear Cunningham's reasoning for playing against the wind after winning the toss.

The flatness by Roscommon was unreal.
Was close enough to challenge match intensity by them.

Maybe the wind wasn't as strong as Dessie Dolan was making out? Mayo scored 1-8 with it and 0-8 without it.

Quote from: larryin89 on November 08, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
Only thing that can stop Dublin is covid19 , sin e .

Most of the punters money will be placed on a Dublin v Mayo All Ireland final now. Dublin with  no Jim Gavin, no Jack Mccaffrey and no supporters in Croke Park are there to beaten. On the downside for Mayo supporters won't be attendance to witness their county finally regaining the Sam Maguire.

I thought it was a genuinely 50:50 game beforehand so great to get the win today. We were 3-2 up after 10 minutes so the 1-3 before the water break was crucial. A lot of wides coming up to half-time but the strong start to the 2nd half put the game to bed.

Cillian and Paddy Durcan our 2 best players. Loftus got stuck in, won a lot of breaks and probably justified his selection. Ruane more disappointing, don't think he won any big kickout. He'll probably start next weekend but I'd bring on Jordan Flynn if his performance doesn't improve. Eoghan McLaughlin had a big game too.

Oisín Mullin had a tough 1st half on Smith, hopefully he'll be better for it. Tommy Conroy quiet enough apart from his point. Roscommon dealt with O'Shea well at FF.

Quote from: MayoBuck on November 08, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
I thought it was a genuinely 50:50 game beforehand so great to get the win today. We were 3-2 up after 10 minutes so the 1-3 before the water break was crucial. A lot of wides coming up to half-time but the strong start to the 2nd half put the game to bed.

Cillian and Paddy Durcan our 2 best players. Loftus got stuck in, won a lot of breaks and probably justified his selection. Ruane more disappointing, don't think he won any big kickout. He'll probably start next weekend but I'd bring on Jordan Flynn if his performance doesn't improve. Eoghan McLaughlin had a big game too.

Oisín Mullin had a tough 1st half on Smith, hopefully he'll be better for it. Tommy Conroy quiet enough apart from his point. Roscommon dealt with O'Shea well at FF.

Yeah, Ruane was disappointing. The young lads did well today but it was some of the older ones who lead the way - Durcan, McLoughlin, COC & Barrett.

Midfield is our biggest worry, while we did well on the breaks in the 2nd quarter, we just don't have the big men there to compete and our kickout strategy isn't good enough to compensate

Quote from: galwayman on November 08, 2020, 05:42:14 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Seriously have you played championship football before - at club level I mean?
Going into a game cold is absolutely of zero benefit.
I'd much prefer to play three weeks on the bounce if I was a player

Not sure what me playing championship football has to do with it

It will suit Galway a lot better to be planning for Mayo for three weeks rather than having to deal with little more than a challenge match against Sligo





And FWIW I've a senior county and provincial club medal  8)

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 10:35:15 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 08, 2020, 05:42:14 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Seriously have you played championship football before - at club level I mean?
Going into a game cold is absolutely of zero benefit.
I'd much prefer to play three weeks on the bounce if I was a player

Not sure what me playing championship football has to do with it

It will suit Galway a lot better to be planning for Mayo for three weeks rather than having to deal with little more than a challenge match against Sligo





And FWIW I've a senior county and provincial club medal  8)

There's a guy in my club has one, worst footballer ever!!

Quote from: larryin89 on November 08, 2020, 08:17:29 PM

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 08, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Winter football in the wind and rain suits a team like Mayo down to the ground. Things are poised perfectly for them to win the big one this year.

Why so ?

Don't be taking the f**king bait Lar.

Quote from: galwayman on November 08, 2020, 07:33:42 PM

Quote from: twohands!!! on November 08, 2020, 07:16:25 PM

Quote from: weareros on November 08, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
Congrats to Mayo. Best team from the throw-in, where we began with a foolish foul. A few things bothered me. Anyone who knows the wind patterns of the Hyde know it normally blows into graveyard end, so deciding to play against it when it was blowing into town end was high risk. No surprise it died down and advantage was lost. We would still have lost as Mayo were playing at higher pitch and intensity. Then at half time Cunningham should have changed to a 3 man full forward line of Murtagh, Lennon and Smith, but persisted with Cox double marked who simply does not have pace or skill to deal with that attention. He should have pulled Enda out to midfield as Durcan was winning that battle and winning it well, and brought Ciaran Murtagh into half forwards. Instead he brought Diarmuid on for 10 mins at end. I do think the majority not having played much since Armagh game due to Covid interruption was somewhat responsible for flatness. Well done to Mayo. They should go on to win Connacht and have every chance of being in an All-Ireland final again. Still very thankful to team  and management for earning promotion.

I'd say 90% of the time if there's a wind in the first half it nearly always dies away by the time the second half begins, especially if the pitch isn't a sea-side pitch.
I'd love to hear Cunningham's reasoning for playing against the wind after winning the toss.

The flatness by Roscommon was unreal.
Was close enough to challenge match intensity by them.

It's one thing that absolutely infuriates me about the Galway team - how they are so hot and cold in terms of being "up" for games in terms of the intensity with which they play.
In fairness to Mayo they rarely are found wanting in that department.

Would probably be under John O'Mahony since Mayo didn't bring the required intensity to a championship match.

Quote from: moysider on October 27, 2020, 12:03:58 AM

Quote from: weareros on October 26, 2020, 05:54:46 PM
This will be a poor mouthing thread, if you ever saw one. That said whoever wins Connacht won't be within 10 points of Kerry.

If they are not they should go to bed for themselves. Kerry nothing special.

Good call.

That second string the Rossies had out against Cavan should have started today.Felt sorry for Donie Smith when he was subbed.That prob hurt.
Mayo looking good

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 10:39:03 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 10:35:15 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 08, 2020, 05:42:14 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Seriously have you played championship football before - at club level I mean?
Going into a game cold is absolutely of zero benefit.
I'd much prefer to play three weeks on the bounce if I was a player

Not sure what me playing championship football has to do with it

It will suit Galway a lot better to be planning for Mayo for three weeks rather than having to deal with little more than a challenge match against Sligo





And FWIW I've a senior county and provincial club medal  8)

There's a guy in my club has one, worst footballer ever!!

It was more that this galway lad seems to think I need one to have a valid opinion

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 09, 2020, 08:34:09 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 10:39:03 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 10:35:15 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 08, 2020, 05:42:14 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Seriously have you played championship football before - at club level I mean?
Going into a game cold is absolutely of zero benefit.
I'd much prefer to play three weeks on the bounce if I was a player

Not sure what me playing championship football has to do with it

It will suit Galway a lot better to be planning for Mayo for three weeks rather than having to deal with little more than a challenge match against Sligo





And FWIW I've a senior county and provincial club medal  8)

There's a guy in my club has one, worst footballer ever!!

It was more that this galway lad seems to think I need one to have a valid opinion

Not what I meant at all - didn't mean it to come across that way.
Each to their own but genuinely as a player I would have fancied my teams chances a lot less going into a game with no meaningful preparation.
We would have beaten Sligo I have no doubt but we would at least have had a game to blow off some more cobwebs.
It does make a difference in terms of match fitness and sharpness.
No amount of A v B training games can replicate it.

Quote from: galwayman on November 09, 2020, 10:04:11 AM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 09, 2020, 08:34:09 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 10:39:03 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 10:35:15 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 08, 2020, 05:42:14 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 08, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Seriously have you played championship football before - at club level I mean?
Going into a game cold is absolutely of zero benefit.
I'd much prefer to play three weeks on the bounce if I was a player

Not sure what me playing championship football has to do with it

It will suit Galway a lot better to be planning for Mayo for three weeks rather than having to deal with little more than a challenge match against Sligo





And FWIW I've a senior county and provincial club medal  8)

There's a guy in my club has one, worst footballer ever!!

It was more that this galway lad seems to think I need one to have a valid opinion

Not what I meant at all - didn't mean it to come across that way.
Each to their own but genuinely as a player I would have fancied my teams chances a lot less going into a game with no meaningful preparation.
We would have beaten Sligo I have no doubt but we would at least have had a game to blow off some more cobwebs.
It does make a difference in terms of match fitness and sharpness.
No amount of A v B training games can replicate it.

Mayo had no prep before league game in Tuam and they were flying - because they had ovviously targeted that game.
Galway are doing lilewise for Sunday's game.

This will be our 5th weekend on the spin as well. Whatever about Galway being cold, that's not ideal preparation either.

Mayo having meaningful matches is a plus for them I think anyway, alright to say that you are targeting a game but Galway players don't know where they are at really with training games, no chance to even offset slightly with a challenge match in this truncated knockout football championship where half the teams are gone already.

Realistically if you had offered either team at the start of the year a path of each other in a knockout game and then Cork/Tipp in an All Ireland semi-final they would have taken your hand off, very realistic chance to get to an All Ireland final now (regardless whether it's only just to be a punchbag for the Dubs once you get there), Kerry got caught yesterday but on a normal day they are better than Cork/Tipp, even playing terrible they still should have won.

James Horan has been there and done it in terms of getting Mayo to All Ireland finals before, have no doubt that Mayo will be in great shape next Sunday to win, key players like COC are playing a lot better now than in the last couple of years.
Galway will need to come with a massive performance to match them, form isn't great at the minute so supporters are left hoping that a different Galway shows up from what we've seen since football resumed. Joyce first year in as a manager so unproven in Championship and nothing to go on there, he was schooled in the U20 semi-final last year and flattened by Mayo only weeks ago but might be no harm in the long run to have had those setbacks.

At the minute head says Mayo due to the form lines and the key players that are missing for Galway but by the time 1pm rolls around on Sunday I'm sure the logical analysis will be out the window in favour of following the heart!!!

Galway will surely be up for this after the clipping they got in Tuam, I'd expect them to tear into us from the start. Even in the game in Tuam, they had a couple of goal chances that they missed - one that Silke put over and two instances where they had men over and Keegan & COC made a last minute intercept; if 1/2 of those go in and they don't gift us a goal, it's a much tighter game.

Galway will have a couple of players back too which will improve them, esp at FB. 5th week on the trot for us but 3 of those 4 have been wins and we haven't really picked up any injuries. Galway on the other hand have had 3 weeks to prepare

Bookies have it pretty even:

Mayo 10/11
Galway 11/10
Draw 15/2

If I was a betting man i'd (honestly) stick 20 on Mayo for Sam this year.

Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 11:21:16 AM
If I was a betting man i'd (honestly) stick 20 on Mayo for Sam this year.

Backed them at 20-1, into 6-1 now, still decent odds, as are Galway


I think if Comer was fit we'd be talking completely differently about this game

Quote from: gortnaleck on November 09, 2020, 03:35:14 AM
That second string the Rossies had out against Cavan should have started today.Felt sorry for Donie Smith when he was subbed.That prob hurt.
Mayo looking good

8 of yesterdays team started against Cavan. The 7 brought back in after self isolating for 2 weeks were a mile off the pace of the game. As I said before the match the Covid issues within the panel was far from ideal preparation for a high stakes knock out championship game and so it proved.

I wonder where Syferus is these days?

Who cares, only person I ever put on ignore in the nearly 20 years I've been posting on gaaboard.com

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 09, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
I wonder where Syferus is these days?

Well where ever he is, I'd say the form isn't great with him today!  Mind you, I could be in the same boat myself next Monday!! 

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 09, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
I wonder where Syferus is these days?

Driving us all mad on stolensheep.
Told us last week that putting up flags was a breach of Covid restrictions ::)

Quote from: Rossfan on November 09, 2020, 03:55:15 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 09, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
I wonder where Syferus is these days?

Driving us all mad on stolensheep.
Told us last week that putting up flags was a breach of Covid restrictions ::)

He was a gas fella that came out with some awful nonsense. I'll always remember his post on Boards.ie saying that Roscommon a division 4 team at the time had a stronger panel than the one that won 4 Connacht titles in a row from 1977 to 1980.

A few points on yesterday's game-

For once, our game management was actually good. The game was effectively won mid way through the second half and we never looked like conceding a goal from then on. We kept possession, played it backwards when needed and took the sting out of the match. The lack of a crowd helped us in that regard, you often hear the disapproving roars coming from the Mayo crowd when we go backwards with the ball. All that does is increase pressure on the players but sometimes you just need to play keep-ball to see out a result.

Diarmuid O Connor gets a fair amount of criticism and while he's often quiet in league games, he usually steps up to the plate when it's do or die. He stepped up again yesterday.

While Galway's preparation has been far from ideal, there's no way that the likes of Shane Walsh, Michael Daly and Ronan Steede don't have one big performance in them. Particularly now with the more favourable path to an AI final. Expect a major battle next Sunday.

Quote from: Dubhaltach on November 09, 2020, 06:29:47 PM
A few points on yesterday's game-

For once, our game management was actually good. The game was effectively won mid way through the second half and we never looked like conceding a goal from then on. We kept possession, played it backwards when needed and took the sting out of the match. The lack of a crowd helped us in that regard, you often hear the disapproving roars coming from the Mayo crowd when we go backwards with the ball. All that does is increase pressure on the players but sometimes you just need to play keep-ball to see out a result.

Diarmuid O Connor gets a fair amount of criticism and while he's often quiet in league games, he usually steps up to the plate when it's do or die. He stepped up again yesterday.

While Galway's preparation has been far from ideal, there's no way that the likes of Shane Walsh, Michael Daly and Ronan Steede don't have one big performance in them. Particularly now with the more favourable path to an AI final. Expect a major battle next Sunday.

If Shane Walsh is marked by Durcan he will struggle to have an impact on the game. Daly has yet to establish himself at senior County level. Will Steede start? Played little for Galway seniors.

Mayo are made for winter football-pure warriors and dogs of men. They'll take some beating. What way are Tom Parsons and Seamie O'Shea, any chance of them featuring this year?

Daly's a quality player and has been one of the better Galway forwards over the last few years, although there is more in him than he has shown.

If Steede is fit, he'll start, he was beginning to establish a place for himself before covid hit and injury had him out the last few weeks.

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Mayo are made for winter football-pure warriors and dogs of men. They'll take some beating. What way are Tom Parsons and Seamie O'Shea, any chance of them featuring this year?

Say it has more to do with the fact it's always p1$$ing rain in Mayo. Highest rainfall in Ireland I believe

Do we know 100% that comer is out ?

Quote from: Dubhaltach on November 09, 2020, 07:00:33 PM
Daly's a quality player and has been one of the better Galway forwards over the last few years, although there is more in him than he has shown.

If Steede is fit, he'll start, he was beginning to establish a place for himself before covid hit and injury had him out the last few weeks.

I can count on one hand the number of Galway matches I haven't been at in the last few years, this is just not true, Daly has had a number of ok performances but he's never been near MOTM contention nor had one that I can recall where you'd think "this lad has it now". Could be forgetting a good performance maybe (off the bench in an FBD league game against Mayo where he turned the tide perhaps but that's just FBD anyway) but the fact that I can't think of it off the top of my head says it all.
I thought he had savage potential underage and ironically the first few Senior appearances were impressive, looked superb coming off the bench in 2017 league final while still U21. Got cleaned out by Murchan in that years U21 final and really that was when his lack of top level pace for IC showed up first.

Daly looked one of the better Galway club footballers in the summer at midfield for Mountbellew/Moylough but don't know if he's been tried there behind the scenes. Certainly has the skill and ability to play long and accurate passing from there, has enough size and height as well. I'd agree that there's more in him but we need to start seeing way more of it for Galway and soon.

Mayo are going to bring unreal pace, athleticism and intensity next weekend along with some serious ballers in good form, Galway will have to match them and outdo them in the intensity stakes because looking at the squad that is there is pick from there's too many lads there that don't match up well to the type of athletes that Mayo can line out.

It's a match that Galway will need players like Daly and a few others to kick on to the next level, would love to see it happen. Paul Conroy is the only regular Galway starting player in outstanding form at the minute, he's had an Indian summer in 2020, top class for club and county all year. Sean Kelly is another who has been superb through the year. O'Donnell another warrior for Galway this year but he is at the tail end of his career.
Outside of that too many off form or injured. Sice coming back in and in the shake up to play really has the alarm bells ringing for me but we'll see how it pans out.

Shane Walsh will need to take on and beat some of the best backs in the country, Durcan is immense at the moment. Can't leave it all to Walsh because he will be well marshalled at the very least some of the time, up to other players to prosper when the focus is on him.

Once Galway die with the boots then the support will be right behind them even if they lose, you say best of luck to Mayo and can look forward to 2021. Last two performances against Mayo in Limerick and Tuam were pathetic and don't want a see a similar performance and tame exit on Sunday, if you're beaten by a team that's better on the day but you've left it all out there then so be it.

Why the sudden downbeat narrative about Galway , where has it come from , cause of a poxy league game in Tuam that Galway couldn't be arsed laying a glove on the likes of mark Moran who has hardly played two full games yet .

More to this shite than meets the eye , Joyce is a shrewd ruthless business man irl , I suspect  he's taken that into football management with him along with plenty of advice from Donegal jimmy . Anyone that thinks it will be anything like the Galway from the Tuam game is in for a right shock come Sunday afternoon.

Lack of John Daly and Comer from the Spring is massive for me anyway, don't have the replacements to offset those absences.
Goalkeeping situation and kick out strategy is a mess and has been for a long time.
They would be the main issues but as I said once Galway turn up with a big performance then we'll see where it takes them.

Quote from: larryin89 on November 09, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
Why the sudden downbeat narrative about Galway , where has it come from , cause of a poxy league game in Tuam that Galway couldn't be arsed laying a glove on the likes of mark Moran who has hardly played two full games yet .

More to this shite than meets the eye , Joyce is a shrewd ruthless business man irl , I suspect  he's taken that into football management with him along with plenty of advice from Donegal jimmy . Anyone that thinks it will be anything like the sunGalway from the Tuam game is in for a right shock come Sunday afternoon.

G'man Larry!
And I thought I thought I was a prize bullshitter. ::)

Where did Shane Walsh play against Dublin? If I was Joyce, I'd leave him at 14 for the full game. Think he's much easier to mark out the field.

Shane only came on at half time in that game and was deep most of the time from what I could make out - but we were playing against a gale in that half.
On the points re Michael Daly - there's no doubt he has talent but he has absolutely 100% not been one of our better forwards over the last few seasons.
He has been a disappointment so far at senior level.
Playing wing forward a lot of the time hasn't helped him as he hasn't the pace to track bombing wing backs.
As already mentioned our inability to retain our own kick outs is a huge problem. We had this problem under Kevin Walsh as well so it's not something new but seems to be even worse this year.
Also for me we are extremely light on competent man markers in our defence.
There's just so many players not in form it's hard to see us pulling it out of the bag.
Stranger things have happened though I suppose

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1109/1177076-comer-out-of-connacht-final-confirms-joyce/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1109/1177076-comer-out-of-connacht-final-confirms-joyce/)

Comer out for Sunday. Brannigan, Varley and Steede also on the injury list so their status up in the air.

" Hamstring injuries take four to six weeks so unless a miracle happens between now and Sunday, we probably won't see him.".

Be interesting to see what others make of that , personally I wouldn't pass one bit of heed of p Joyce if I were James Horan and presume all are available for Galway .

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That's the worst I've see the Rossies play in a long time. No game plan at all, we had it all our own way. Wouldn't read too much into it

Don't believe missing the Sligo game will make one difference to Galway. It's an advantage if anything, chance to rectify the shambles that was Tuam

Seriously have you played championship football before - at club level I mean?
Going into a game cold is absolutely of zero benefit.
I'd much prefer to play three weeks on the bounce if I was a player

Not sure what me playing championship football has to do with it

It will suit Galway a lot better to be planning for Mayo for three weeks rather than having to deal with little more than a challenge match against Sligo





And FWIW I've a senior county and provincial club medal  8)

There's a guy in my club has one, worst footballer ever!!

It was more that this galway lad seems to think I need one to have a valid opinion

Not what I meant at all - didn't mean it to come across that way.
Each to their own but genuinely as a player I would have fancied my teams chances a lot less going into a game with no meaningful preparation.
We would have beaten Sligo I have no doubt but we would at least have had a game to blow off some more cobwebs.
It does make a difference in terms of match fitness and sharpness.
No amount of A v B training games can replicate it.

Fair enough, I took that up wrong

Quote from: larryin89 on November 10, 2020, 10:15:33 AM
" Hamstring injuries take four to six weeks so unless a miracle happens between now and Sunday, we probably won't see him.".

Be interesting to see what others make of that , personally I wouldn't pass one bit of heed of p Joyce if I were James Horan and presume all are available for Galway .

If Galway are throwing a half injured Comer into the fray - in a similar fashion to the disastrous Mayo match in Limerick last year where he made no impact and clearly shouldn't have been on the pitch - then it's a lost cause.
Other Galway players must make the step up to the high level required for top end Senior IC and make a name for themselves Sunday.

Lads Comer won't be playing. End of.
If he comes on he'll be gone off again within 5 mins with a recurrence.
I don't think Pj is foolish enough to do it.
I certainly hope not anyway

Quote from: larryin89 on November 09, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
Why the sudden downbeat narrative about Galway , where has it come from , cause of a poxy league game in Tuam that Galway couldn't be arsed laying a glove on the likes of mark Moran who has hardly played two full games yet .

More to this shite than meets the eye , Joyce is a shrewd ruthless business man irl , I suspect  he's taken that into football management with him along with plenty of advice from Donegal jimmy . Anyone that thinks it will be anything like the Galway from the Tuam game is in for a right shock come Sunday afternoon.

The narrative about Galway is down to them continually flunking it in big games against moderate enough opposition over the last four years

Tipperary 2016
Roscommon 2017
Monaghan 2018
Roscommon 2019

At one stage in 2018 it looked as if they might kick on but Monaghan knocked them right back on their feet

They didn't lay a glove on Dublin or Mayo in 2018 and 2019 and in the Mayo game last year they were bullied from literally before the first whistle

That's why there are serious question marks about them

Plus Mayo are a team that are already battle hardened since inter-county action started again and have historically been at their best after playing multiple weeks in a row

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Quote from: larryin89 on November 09, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
Why the sudden downbeat narrative about Galway , where has it come from , cause of a poxy league game in Tuam that Galway couldn't be arsed laying a glove on the likes of mark Moran who has hardly played two full games yet .

More to this shite than meets the eye , Joyce is a shrewd ruthless business man irl , I suspect  he's taken that into football management with him along with plenty of advice from Donegal jimmy . Anyone that thinks it will be anything like the Galway from the Tuam game is in for a right shock come Sunday afternoon.

The narrative about Galway is down to them continually flunking it in big games against moderate enough opposition over the last four years

Tipperary 2016
Roscommon 2017
Monaghan 2018
Roscommon 2019

At one stage in 2018 it looked as if they might kick on but Monaghan knocked them right back on their feet

They didn't lay a glove on Dublin or Mayo in 2018 and 2019 and in the Mayo game last year they were bullied from literally before the first whistle

That's why there are serious question marks about them

Plus Mayo are a team that are already battle hardened since inter-county action started again and have historically been at their best after playing multiple weeks in a row

The defeat to Tipperary is the hardest to explain, maybe Galway lost the run of themselves as in 2016 that was their first Connacht success for 8 years

Has been a good rivalry built up between Roscommon and Galway, played in the last 4 Connacht finals and shared 2 titles each, it's been the same in the pre season FBD.

Monaghan defeat was a dead rubber match for Galway as they were already into the All-Ireland semi final and in that semi final Galway was competitive 1st half only for Dublin to stroll to victory in the 2nd half the same happened for Mayo in the semi final last year.

Last year Mayo got off to a flying start 2-2 to 0-1 after 10 minutes from which Galway never recovered from. Prior to that match Galway beat Mayo in the championship three years in a row so Mayo will  feel they got the monkey off their back with that win last summer,   why that qualifier match wasn't played in Connacht is still a bit puzzling.

I think the big problem Galway will have against Mayo is there are at a distinct disadvantage athletically and intercounty football is increasingly about athleticism. Power, pace, dynamism, whatever you want to call it. I believe the Galway lads are just as good a footballers as the Mayo lads but we just don't have the horses athletically at the minute. Mayo probably have 5 or 6 really good athletes in their side. Keegan, Mullin, Durcan, Ruane, O'Shea, etc. And you could make a case for a couple others. Lads who have pace, can run all day and are strong enough to break tackles. O'Shea isn't quick but he's a powerful athlete.

I can't think of many good athletes on the Galway side. Shane Walsh for sure. Brannigan has pace and athletic ability even though he can be erratic. Maybe Sean Kelly at the back. Conroy at least has strength. McDaid had it at underage but we haven't seen enough of it at senior. That's it. Ironically probably two of the best athletes we have won't even be available. Comer is injured and Peter Cooke who kicked 0-4 from play against Mayo last year is over in the US for the year.

That's really the winning and losing of the game. You need those athletes at the top end in intercounty and we just don't have them. It's much less important at club level which is why Corofin, a club that actually don't have many good athletes (bar Daithi Burke who is a hurler first and foremost) can dominate. At club it's more about the football but football alone won't get it done at the top level of intercounty these days. You need to be able to run at pace and have power. Not all your players but enough of them.

It's no coincidence that the Galway hurlers finally made the breakthrough when they had a team full of big powerful athletes. Who were also well able to hurl. But the Galway footballers don't have the athletic ability of the Galway hurlers at the moment.

So I can't see a way Galway can win this bar some shenanigans with a tactical set up that negates Mayo's strengths. If the game goes up and down the pitch all afternoon then there is likely only one winner in the end. I think they could make it difficult for Mayo if they approach the game with a renewed intensity and work rate which you would hope to see after the last game but intensity and work rate have not always been there for Galway in recent years. Sometimes it's there. Sometimes it's not so it's difficult to rely on it. I think we'll have a good idea after the first 10 minutes whether they've turned up for this one.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 10, 2020, 02:18:25 PM
I think the big problem Galway will have against Mayo is there are at a distinct disadvantage athletically and intercounty football is increasingly about athleticism.

I said pretty much the same here already on that point but the key thing here as well is that those Mayo players also have the football in them as well to compliment that athleticism.

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Quote from: larryin89 on November 09, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
Why the sudden downbeat narrative about Galway , where has it come from , cause of a poxy league game in Tuam that Galway couldn't be arsed laying a glove on the likes of mark Moran who has hardly played two full games yet .

More to this shite than meets the eye , Joyce is a shrewd ruthless business man irl , I suspect  he's taken that into football management with him along with plenty of advice from Donegal jimmy . Anyone that thinks it will be anything like the Galway from the Tuam game is in for a right shock come Sunday afternoon.

The narrative about Galway is down to them continually flunking it in big games against moderate enough opposition over the last four years

Tipperary 2016
Roscommon 2017
Monaghan 2018
Roscommon 2019

At one stage in 2018 it looked as if they might kick on but Monaghan knocked them right back on their feet

They didn't lay a glove on Dublin or Mayo in 2018 and 2019 and in the Mayo game last year they were bullied from literally before the first whistle

That's why there are serious question marks about them

Plus Mayo are a team that are already battle hardened since inter-county action started again and have historically been at their best after playing multiple weeks in a row

Lot of truth there, would disregard the Monaghan match as that was an odd game and situation. The idea that it sank them for the next match against Dublin doesn't ring true to me, Galway put in a performance that was fine in the 1st half of that Dublin semi-final but the execution in front of the posts was appalling, created plenty of chances and played alright. To fair the Dubs did in the second half what they do to most teams.
You could add in Mayo 2019 to that list, a terrible outing for Galway.

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Quote from: larryin89 on November 09, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
Why the sudden downbeat narrative about Galway , where has it come from , cause of a poxy league game in Tuam that Galway couldn’t be arsed laying a glove on the likes of mark Moran who has hardly played two full games yet .

More to this shite than meets the eye , Joyce is a shrewd ruthless business man irl , I suspect  he’s taken that into football management with him along with plenty of advice from Donegal jimmy . Anyone that thinks it will be anything like the Galway from the Tuam game is in for a right shock come Sunday afternoon.

The narrative about Galway is down to them continually flunking it in big games against moderate enough opposition over the last four years

Tipperary 2016
Roscommon 2017
Monaghan 2018
Roscommon 2019

At one stage in 2018 it looked as if they might kick on but Monaghan knocked them right back on their feet

They didn't lay a glove on Dublin or Mayo in 2018 and 2019 and in the Mayo game last year they were bullied from literally before the first whistle

That's why there are serious question marks about them

Plus Mayo are a team that are already battle hardened since inter-county action started again and have historically been at their best after playing multiple weeks in a row

The defeat to Tipperary is the hardest to explain, maybe Galway lost the run of themselves as in 2016 that was their first Connacht success for 8 years

Has been a good rivalry built up between Roscommon and Galway, played in the last 4 Connacht finals and shared 2 titles each, it's been the same in the pre season FBD.

Monaghan defeat was a dead rubber match for Galway as they were already into the All-Ireland semi final and in that semi final Galway was competitive 1st half only for Dublin to stroll to victory in the 2nd half the same happened for Mayo in the semi final last year.

Last year Mayo got off to a flying start 2-2 to 0-1 after 10 minutes from which Galway never recovered from. Prior to that match Galway beat Mayo in the championship three years in a row so Mayo will  feel they got the monkey off their back with that win last summer,   why that qualifier match wasn't played in Connacht is still a bit puzzling.

That was a very good tipp Team aand I would not write them off against Cork.Tipps biggest problem(apart from their own county board) is getting there best players togged out . they did so in 2016 and look like they have this year again. plus they are still arrogant tipp f**kers

It was a very good team by Tipperary's historical standards of being a minnow

But in the real sense they were far from a top team

I think Galway will go full Jim McGuinness in this game because it is a tactic they have had success with against Mayo in the past, if they play an open game, Durcan and Keegan will kill them

Any time Galway play Mayo, they have to stop Mayo's running game as an absolute priority

Quote from: sid waddell on November 10, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
It was a very good team by Tipperary's historical standards of being a minnow

But in the real sense they were far from a top team

I think Galway will go full Jim McGuinness in this game because it is a tactic they have had success with against Mayo in the past, if they play an open game, Durcan and Keegan will kill them

Any time Galway play Mayo, they have to stop Mayo's running game as an absolute priority

There is zero chance of PJ implementing such a game plan, that is absolutely not his football philosophy and never will be.............

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Quote from: sid waddell on November 10, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
It was a very good team by Tipperary's historical standards of being a minnow

But in the real sense they were far from a top team

I think Galway will go full Jim McGuinness in this game because it is a tactic they have had success with against Mayo in the past, if they play an open game, Durcan and Keegan will kill them

Any time Galway play Mayo, they have to stop Mayo's running game as an absolute priority

There is zero chance of PJ implementing such a game plan, that is absolutely not his football philosophy and never will be.............

I would usually agree with you on that but it has to be said we played a lot more conservatively against Dublin in the last league game.
With the gale force wind behind us we got a lot of bodies back.
Not enough men up front I thought at the time.
Wouldn't have happened most likely but for what happened in Tuam the week before granted.

Quote from: sid waddell on November 10, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
It was a very good team by Tipperary's historical standards of being a minnow

But in the real sense they were far from a top team

I think Galway will go full Jim McGuinness in this game because it is a tactic they have had success with against Mayo in the past, if they play an open game, Durcan and Keegan will kill them

Any time Galway play Mayo, they have to stop Mayo's running game as an absolute priority

Which McGuinness game?  Under his watch they conceded 4-17 to Mayo in one game.

Key for Galway in their last 3 Connacht championship matches and wins against Mayo was a well organised defence. Under Kevin Walsh Galway made themselves hard to score against and beat and all Mayo scored in those games was 0-12,1-11, 0-12

Now they have a manager that doesn't seem to have a big focus on defence and I think that will suit Mayo who I'd expect to score in the region of 18 to 20 points on Sunday unless PJ changes his game plan/system of play.

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Quote from: sid waddell on November 10, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
It was a very good team by Tipperary's historical standards of being a minnow

But in the real sense they were far from a top team

I think Galway will go full Jim McGuinness in this game because it is a tactic they have had success with against Mayo in the past, if they play an open game, Durcan and Keegan will kill them

Any time Galway play Mayo, they have to stop Mayo's running game as an absolute priority

There is zero chance of PJ implementing such a game plan, that is absolutely not his football philosophy and never will be.............

I would usually agree with you on that but it has to be said we played a lot more conservatively against Dublin in the last league game.
With the gale force wind behind us we got a lot of bodies back.
Not enough men up front I thought at the time.
Wouldn't have happened most likely but for what happened in Tuam the week before granted.

If Galway go toe to toe with Mayo then there going to get beat comfortably, as pointed out by several posters and its a re-occurring them for the last 4 years there's just not enough pace in that team and especially in the middle 3rd. Pace isn't everything but its about finding the right balance and Galway simply don't have it.  We've probably only got one player in the half backs and half forwards in McDaid and Brannigan who are quick. Until that changes Galway are going nowhere quick, at least it does look like there's an abundance of quick half backs coming through the u20's this year.

Its proving very difficult to find any optimism for Sunday.

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Quote from: sid waddell on November 10, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
It was a very good team by Tipperary's historical standards of being a minnow

But in the real sense they were far from a top team

I think Galway will go full Jim McGuinness in this game because it is a tactic they have had success with against Mayo in the past, if they play an open game, Durcan and Keegan will kill them

Any time Galway play Mayo, they have to stop Mayo's running game as an absolute priority

There is zero chance of PJ implementing such a game plan, that is absolutely not his football philosophy and never will be.............

I would usually agree with you on that but it has to be said we played a lot more conservatively against Dublin in the last league game.
With the gale force wind behind us we got a lot of bodies back.
Not enough men up front I thought at the time.
Wouldn't have happened most likely but for what happened in Tuam the week before granted.

If Galway go toe to toe with Mayo then there going to get beat comfortably, as pointed out by several posters and its a re-occurring them for the last 4 years there's just not enough pace in that team and especially in the middle 3rd. Pace isn't everything but its about finding the right balance and Galway simply don't have it.  We've probably only got one player in the half backs and half forwards in McDaid and Brannigan who are quick. Until that changes Galway are going nowhere quick, at least it does look like there's an abundance of quick half backs coming through the u20's this year.

Its proving very difficult to find any optimism for Sunday.

Galway initially will most likely be conservative, would you blame them. Mayo are the more athletic team, however if it wet and or windy that advantage is minimized.
But at least these Mayo forwards have the potential to score a bit more than their predecessors.
Comer when fit and focused on football would be worth 4-5 points, in reality that most likely will be the difference.
Hopefully Mayo will keep the full 15 on the field for the first time in years v Galway.

Well they had 15 on the field at the final whistle last July if memory serves me.
It's hard to be optimistic about this game from a Galway perspective.

Any given Sunday and all that, Galway need to put a performance in and see what happens, Mayo deserved faves given the recent context coming into it but once Galway play to the best of what they have in them we should be happy enough regardless of result.
If it goes like the last two matches against Mayo then obviously it'll be time to say "f**k this".

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Quote from: sid waddell on November 10, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
It was a very good team by Tipperary's historical standards of being a minnow

But in the real sense they were far from a top team

I think Galway will go full Jim McGuinness in this game because it is a tactic they have had success with against Mayo in the past, if they play an open game, Durcan and Keegan will kill them

Any time Galway play Mayo, they have to stop Mayo's running game as an absolute priority

There is zero chance of PJ implementing such a game plan, that is absolutely not his football philosophy and never will be.............

I would usually agree with you on that but it has to be said we played a lot more conservatively against Dublin in the last league game.
With the gale force wind behind us we got a lot of bodies back.
Not enough men up front I thought at the time.
Wouldn't have happened most likely but for what happened in Tuam the week before granted.

Every single game with wind tends to end up defensive. The team against the wind isn't direct for obvious reasons and ends up playing laterally. The team with the wind ends up with loads behind the ball as they have loads of time to catch up to the slow build up.

However Joyce will push this to the extreme in telling players to stay up. I honestly think he'd nearly rather lose than play with a negative setup, which fills me with zero confidence heading into a tactical windy sloppy game which this is nearly certain to be

Galway going to have to do a lot better on Clarke's kickouts then they did in Tuam, along with Galway actually tuning up its going to play a big part in whether Galway have a chance. Clarke isn't a great kicker of the ball yet he was made to look like Cluxton in Tuam, I hope they've worked hard on it in training the last month otherwise forget about getting a result.

Got to slow Mayo down in the middle 3rd and when they transition, one way is too commit more fouls. Don't know what the foul count was between Mayo & Roscommon was last Sunday but it looked at first glance that Mayo were quick to foul Roscommon in that middle 3rd to slow them down whilst most of the fouls Roscommon committed were easy kickable scores for O'Connor.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 11, 2020, 12:29:39 PM
Galway going to have to do a lot better on Clarke's kickouts then they did in Tuam, along with Galway actually tuning up its going to play a big part in whether Galway have a chance. Clarke isn't a great kicker of the ball yet he was made to look like Cluxton in Tuam, I hope they've worked hard on it in training the last month otherwise forget about getting a result.

Got to slow Mayo down in the middle 3rd and when they transition, one way is too commit more fouls. Don't know what the foul count was between Mayo & Roscommon was last Sunday but it looked at first glance that Mayo were quick to foul Roscommon in that middle 3rd to slow them down whilst most of the fouls Roscommon committed were easy kickable scores for O'Connor.

We fouled persistently just outside our 45 in the 2nd half alright. I thought Roscommon did something similar in the first half though

I cant remember any game under either manager that Galway were good at pressing kickouts. Seem exceptionally poor at it currently though. Mayo had what seemed the easiest strategy in the world in Tuam, quick one to the wing it if was on, if not, everyone moves out the pitch, leaves space and somebody sprints short with the kick going to his outside. Unable to stop it and unable to replicate something similar at the other end

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 11, 2020, 12:29:39 PM
Galway going to have to do a lot better on Clarke's kickouts then they did in Tuam, along with Galway actually tuning up its going to play a big part in whether Galway have a chance. Clarke isn't a great kicker of the ball yet he was made to look like Cluxton in Tuam, I hope they've worked hard on it in training the last month otherwise forget about getting a result.

Got to slow Mayo down in the middle 3rd and when they transition, one way is too commit more fouls. Don't know what the foul count was between Mayo & Roscommon was last Sunday but it looked at first glance that Mayo were quick to foul Roscommon in that middle 3rd to slow them down whilst most of the fouls Roscommon committed were easy kickable scores for O'Connor.

And then stop quick frees by standing in front of player with ball or running alongside/across the player

Mayo also disrupted two marks from kickouts where a Roscommon player attempted to play on but was surrounded by mayo players but fouled the ball by over carrying.

All the top teams are cynical as required, I'd expect nothing less from Mayo next Sunday.
Horan turned Mayo from a "nice" team into a ruthless outfit, you don't have the success he had with them from 11-14 going up against all the top teams of that era without having the hard edge to compliment good footballers. If Galway don't approach this Sunday in the same mindset of "kill or be killed" they are at nothing but obviously I'm not talking about the likes of the needless dirt that some have resorted to in this fixture over the years either.

Quote from: Manning18 on November 11, 2020, 02:17:53 PM
I cant remember any game under either manager that Galway were good at pressing kickouts. Seem exceptionally poor at it currently though. Mayo had what seemed the easiest strategy in the world in Tuam, quick one to the wing it if was on, if not, everyone moves out the pitch, leaves space and somebody sprints short with the kick going to his outside. Unable to stop it and unable to replicate something similar at the other end

Sure Galway football followers are like broken records going on about the kickouts for years, it's inexplicable at this stage that it can't be coached up and then executed better by the team.

An All Ireland quarter final and Galway are there without lacing a boot. Win 3 games and you are AI Champions. With Kerry out of the way the path to an AI final has seemingly got easier.  If either of these two teams are not up for this game on the weekend, then they don't deserve anything.

"I'm not talking about the likes of the needless dirt that some have resorted to in this fixture over the years either. "

100% , the scummy shite been said to the same  couple of mayo players , one game after the next from 2016 onwards has been the conductor to all dust ups .

What's being referred to there? Diarmuid putting Paul Conroy in the hospital with a cowardly elbow? Or the two O'Connors cowardly hits that got them sent off back to back in the league game?

Big game for Diarmuid actually. Am I right in saying his last 4 games against Galway have been 17 - Humiliated by Comer, 18 - sent off for cowardly hit, 18 - sent off for cowardly elbow, 19 - missed penalty to lose FBD shootout?

Quote from: larryin89 on November 11, 2020, 09:32:05 PM
"I'm not talking about the likes of the needless dirt that some have resorted to in this fixture over the years either. "

100% , the scummy shite been said to the same  couple of mayo players , one game after the next from 2016 onwards has been the conductor to all dust ups .

Right...so that's the reason for Higgins' sending off in 2017 and Diarmaid O Connors in 2018 so is it?
Jesus wept.
You are some shit talker yourself I'll give you that.

At the end ofthe day does anyone really care who wins either championship in that will they ever be recognised as "real" all ireland champions?As a galway man our main hope is in hurling and they have a sort of back door but even if they went on and won it just dont think it would mean as much.Am I alone in my negative thoughts?😊

Quote from: cornetto on November 12, 2020, 10:39:25 AM
At the end ofthe day does anyone really care who wins either championship in that will they ever be recognised as "real" all ireland champions?As a galway man our main hope is in hurling and they have a sort of back door but even if they went on and won it just dont think it would mean as much.Am I alone in my negative thoughts?😊

Galways record book show them with all Ireland that they didn't even play in

Is Mark Moran still on panel?

Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
Is Mark Moran still on panel?

He'd surely have to start. Treated the Galway defence like boys last time out

yes. He came on against Roscommon as a second half substitute .

Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
Is Mark Moran still on panel?

We'll for sure know on Sunday, you'll have to just watch the clock Tik Tok down until then.

He might make the matchday 28

A Whats App doing the rounds is obviously bullshit then  ::)

Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
A Whats App doing the rounds is obviously bullshit then  ::)

Its a tik tok and he'll do well not to be thrown off the panel

Looks like some very wet days in store before Sunday and to no one's surprise, it's forecast to be fairly windy in Salthill on Sunday itself.

So a heavy pitch and a gale of wind.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 12, 2020, 04:14:06 PM

Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
A Whats App doing the rounds is obviously bullshit then  ::)

Its a tik tok and he'll do well not to be thrown off the panel

that tik tok was doing the rounds a few days after galway league game and he was still on panel afterwards,  so I'd say that's someone making up rumours

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 12, 2020, 04:14:06 PM

Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
A Whats App doing the rounds is obviously bullshit then  ::)

Its a tik tok and he'll do well not to be thrown off the panel

It was a tik tok sent round on Whats App  ;)

Like you I have no idea what he was thinking coming out with that

A highly stupid Tik Tok at that.

Quote from: galwayman on November 12, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
A highly stupid Tik Tik at that.

Yes. Clownish is being kind to him. ::)

Anyone else finds it a bit annoying that Northern Ireland v Slovakia has 1,060 supporters in attendance in Windsor Park tonight while the Connacht final in Pearse Stadium on Sunday will have no supporters in attendance.

No, I'm just thankful (although I mightn't be by 2.45pm on Sunday!) that the matches are on and being played, if the price for that is no fans in the gate then so be it.
The GAA was slaughtered after county final season and they aren't in any position to get people in the gate given everything else that is shut and restricted in the country.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Anyone else finds it a bit annoying that Northern Ireland v Slovakia has 1,060 supporters in attendance in Windsor Park tonight while the Connacht final in Pearse Stadium on Sunday will have no supporters in attendance.

No.
I wouldn't be going to either game ;)
Probably better with no one going than the 2 Co Boards having to decide who gets the 500 tickets .

Quote from: Rossfan on November 12, 2020, 08:41:50 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Anyone else finds it a bit annoying that Northern Ireland v Slovakia has 1,060 supporters in attendance in Windsor Park tonight while the Connacht final in Pearse Stadium on Sunday will have no supporters in attendance.

No.
I wouldn't be going to either game ;)
Probably better with no one going than the 2 Co Boards having to decide who gets the 500 tickets .

200 or 300 should be allowed to attend. As it stands only 26 from each panel are allowed to attend this provincial final on Sunday. With a crowd of 200 to 300 the extended panelists that have been training for months could attend and the rest of the tickets could be restricted to the family members of every player on the two 30+ panels.

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 12, 2020, 08:55:03 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 12, 2020, 08:41:50 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Anyone else finds it a bit annoying that Northern Ireland v Slovakia has 1,060 supporters in attendance in Windsor Park tonight while the Connacht final in Pearse Stadium on Sunday will have no supporters in attendance.

No.
I wouldn't be going to either game ;)
Probably better with no one going than the 2 Co Boards having to decide who gets the 500 tickets .

200 or 300 should be allowed to attend. As it stands only 26 from each panel are allowed to attend this provincial final on Sunday. With a crowd of 200 to 300 the extended panelists that have been training for months could attend and the rest of the tickets could be restricted to the family members of every player on the two 30+ panels.

We seen what happened in the club championships when they let crowds in, were some county boards were incapable or simply didn't bother implementing social distancing. Better to stick to the zero tolerance no fans approach

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 12, 2020, 07:55:18 PM
No, I'm just thankful (although I mightn't be by 2.45pm on Sunday!) that the matches are on and being played, if the price for that is no fans in the gate then so be it.
The GAA was slaughtered after county final season and they aren't in any position to get people in the gate given everything else that is shut and restricted in the country.

i'd be sorry for the 1060  who would have to watch that shite.
the criws#d isse has been accepted and weve move on , no point in whinging now

Quote from: dublin7 on November 13, 2020, 10:46:49 AM

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 12, 2020, 08:55:03 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 12, 2020, 08:41:50 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Anyone else finds it a bit annoying that Northern Ireland v Slovakia has 1,060 supporters in attendance in Windsor Park tonight while the Connacht final in Pearse Stadium on Sunday will have no supporters in attendance.

No.
I wouldn't be going to either game ;)
Probably better with no one going than the 2 Co Boards having to decide who gets the 500 tickets .

200 or 300 should be allowed to attend. As it stands only 26 from each panel are allowed to attend this provincial final on Sunday. With a crowd of 200 to 300 the extended panelists that have been training for months could attend and the rest of the tickets could be restricted to the family members of every player on the two 30+ panels.

We seen what happened in the club championships when they let crowds in, were some county boards were incapable or simply didn't bother implementing social distancing. Better to stick to the zero tolerance no fans approach

In our end of the country it was what went on in the pubs afterwards that did the harm.

Galway usually have their team named midweek. Why the sudden change for the Connacht final? Selection issues or fans issues with selections? Mayo will probably name their team tonight.

Didn't name the team early for the final league match against Dublin either, team was named the day before on the Saturday.
Maybe the hiding Mayo gave Galway changed the policy on that because it had been out the Tuesday every week prior to that.

Quote from: five points on November 13, 2020, 11:04:21 AM

Quote from: dublin7 on November 13, 2020, 10:46:49 AM

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 12, 2020, 08:55:03 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 12, 2020, 08:41:50 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Anyone else finds it a bit annoying that Northern Ireland v Slovakia has 1,060 supporters in attendance in Windsor Park tonight while the Connacht final in Pearse Stadium on Sunday will have no supporters in attendance.

No.
I wouldn't be going to either game ;)
Probably better with no one going than the 2 Co Boards having to decide who gets the 500 tickets .

200 or 300 should be allowed to attend. As it stands only 26 from each panel are allowed to attend this provincial final on Sunday. With a crowd of 200 to 300 the extended panelists that have been training for months could attend and the rest of the tickets could be restricted to the family members of every player on the two 30+ panels.

We seen what happened in the club championships when they let crowds in, were some county boards were incapable or simply didn't bother implementing social distancing. Better to stick to the zero tolerance no fans approach

In our end of the country it was what went on in the pubs afterwards that did the harm.

He's been told that on a number of occasions but continues to ignore it.

1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Oisín Mullin - Kilmaine
3. Chris Barrett - Clontarf
4. Lee Keegan - Westport
5. Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Eoghan McLaughlin - Westport
8. Conor Loftus - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
9. Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
10. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11. Mark Moran - Westport
12. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
13. Tommy Conroy - The Neale
14. Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy (C)
15. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber

Curious with Mayo why Darren Coen is no longer a starter. After Cillian he is the best point scoring forward. Despite the relative ease beating us, I still thought some of the shooting was poor enough. I suppose he and COC play same position so one or the other.

Quote from: weareros on November 13, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
Curious with Mayo why Darren Coen is no longer a starter. After Cillian he is the best point scoring forward. Despite the relative ease beating us, I still thought some of the shooting was poor enough. I suppose he and COC play same position so one or the other.

Yeah with AOS playing 14 there's one less spot available inside now. O Connor is a guaranteed starter while Conroy offers something different in there.
Not a bad sub to have I guess

Quote from: galwayman on November 13, 2020, 01:46:05 PM

Quote from: weareros on November 13, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
Curious with Mayo why Darren Coen is no longer a starter. After Cillian he is the best point scoring forward. Despite the relative ease beating us, I still thought some of the shooting was poor enough. I suppose he and COC play same position so one or the other.

Yeah with AOS playing 14 there's one less spot available inside now. O Connor is a guaranteed starter while Conroy offers something different in there.
Not a bad sub to have I guess

Lack of pace and inconsistency would be going against him. Conrory is lightening fast and a bit of an unknown quantity for opposition.

Quote from: Tubberman on November 13, 2020, 02:07:16 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 13, 2020, 01:46:05 PM

Quote from: weareros on November 13, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
Curious with Mayo why Darren Coen is no longer a starter. After Cillian he is the best point scoring forward. Despite the relative ease beating us, I still thought some of the shooting was poor enough. I suppose he and COC play same position so one or the other.

Yeah with AOS playing 14 there's one less spot available inside now. O Connor is a guaranteed starter while Conroy offers something different in there.
Not a bad sub to have I guess

Lack of pace and inconsistency would be going against him. Conrory is lightening fast and a bit of an unknown quantity for opposition.

Lack of workrate tracking back is perhaps going against D Coen? What impressed me most about T Conroy in the last few games was how hard he worked off the ball and how he made a number of turnovers including a few in his own back line.

Galway team to play Mayo on Sunday

1 Bernard Power
2 Seán Kelly
3 Seán Mulkerrin
4 Johnny Heaney
5 Liam Silke
6 Johnny Duane
7 Cillian McDaid
8 Cein D'Arcy
9 Tom Flynn
10 Paul Kelly
11 Paul Conroy
12 Michael Daly
13 Ian Burke
14 Shane Walsh
15 Dessie Conneely

Don't know will that team start but we'll see.

Galway team to play Mayo on Sunday

1 Bernard Power
2 Seán Kelly
3 Seán Mulkerrin
4 Johnny Heaney
5 Liam Silke
6 Johnny Duane
7 Cillian McDaid
8 Cein D'Arcy
9 Tom Flynn
10 Paul Kelly
11 Paul Conroy
12 Michael Daly
13 Ian Burke
14 Shane Walsh
15 Dessie Conneely

Some very tidy footballers on that team but not a lot of pace bar a couple of individuals.

Pj isn't usually one for dummy teams.
I can only assume O Donnell, Steede and Varley are injured if they are not starting.
Duane at number 6 fills me with trepidation. Imo it's too soon for Paul Kelly - he's not ready for this level just yet. Dessie for me also is just too small and lacking in power for senior county.
You have to be very good if you're that light in the current county game.
That's my opinion on it anyway. Would be delighted to be totally wrong on all
Counts

Is molloy gone off the boil altogether?
Came on that day in Limerick and made KW look a fool for not starting him.

Quote from: galwayman on November 13, 2020, 06:07:32 PM
Duane at number 6 fills me with trepidation.

I'm fairness I'd be in total agreement there, you could be nothing but concerned over the CHB position.
Way too many questions over that team due to absences and the key players that are out of form now but look hopefully they come out with a big performance and the young Moycullen bolters do damage.
Big day for the likes of Daly and Silke, past time for them to step up and deliver meaningfully in a massive match for the county.

Quote from: UpMeeyo on November 13, 2020, 06:31:40 PM
Is molloy gone off the boil altogether?
Came on that day in Limerick and made KW look a fool for not starting him.

Wasn't in form during the Galway club championship anyway, he's on the panel but hasn't played this year iirc.

A lot of change for both teams from last years round 4 tie in Limerick.

David Clarke; Keith Higgins, Chris Barrett, Brendan Harrison; Colm Boyle, Patrick Durcan, Donal Vaughan; Stephen Coen, Aidan O'Shea; Fionn McDonagh, Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty; James Carr, Darren Coen, Cillian O'Connor.

GALWAY: Bernard Power; Eoghan Kerin, Declan Kyne, Liam Silke; Gary O'Donnell, John Daly, Seán Kelly; Cillian McDaid, Peter Cooke; Johnny Heaney, Shane Walsh, Michael Daly; Martin Farragher, Ian Burke, Eamonn Brannigan

Quote from: galwayman on November 13, 2020, 06:07:32 PM
Pj isn't usually one for dummy teams.
I can only assume O Donnell, Steede and Varley are injured if they are not starting.
Duane at number 6 fills me with trepidation. Imo it's too soon for Paul Kelly - he's not ready for this level just yet. Dessie for me also is just too small and lacking in power for senior county.
You have to be very good if you're that light in the current county game.
That's my opinion on it anyway. Would be delighted to be totally wrong on all
Counts

I agree with the vast majority of that. Connelly must have continued his championship form into training to warrant inclusion having never started before, so i'm more ok with those than the others. Duane won't let you down but it's not the solution unfortunately. Haven't had the impression yet that the kid Kelly is ready, talent though he is. Would've preferred Tierney if you wanted an u20 bolter.  Ive a feeling we'll see Sice early in the second.

Quote from: Manning18 on November 13, 2020, 06:47:57 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 13, 2020, 06:07:32 PM
Pj isn't usually one for dummy teams.
I can only assume O Donnell, Steede and Varley are injured if they are not starting.
Duane at number 6 fills me with trepidation. Imo it's too soon for Paul Kelly - he's not ready for this level just yet. Dessie for me also is just too small and lacking in power for senior county.
You have to be very good if you're that light in the current county game.
That's my opinion on it anyway. Would be delighted to be totally wrong on all
Counts

I agree with the vast majority of that. Connelly must have continued his championship form into training to warrant inclusion having never started before, so i'm more ok with those than the others. Duane won't let you down but it's not the solution unfortunately. Haven't had the impression yet that the kid Kelly is ready, talent though he is. Would've preferred Tierney if you wanted an u20 bolter.  Ive a feeling we'll see Sice early in the second.

I think Tierney is carrying an injury which will have hindered his chances. He also lacks pace so that would have counted against him.
Cathal Sweeney was the u20 bolter for me if anyone was to be.
The problem with Duane is he is very slow so anyone that runs at him at all has him in real bother as he can be burned.

Quality analysis here from Mayo perspective ..Joyce will no doubt be taking notes !

https://open.spotify.com/episode/47U9cUWrF49WgCVxoPpZYd?si=tb-TXlICQDCkbqq8Lnt-GA&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A4BYfDmvckz1bRc5BfwETVT

Mayo by 1

https://t.co/u8wrGRtGED?amp=1

Best of luck to our lads tomorrow.  It's a lesser team without the likes of Daly, Comer and a not fully fit Steede but I'm a little more optimistic than some of the Galway lads here!  Whether right or wrong, I put little stock into that league result in Tuam as there were a lot of injuries and Covid related absentees - it will have zero bearing on tomorrow IMO.
Hopefully we will be good enough to get close to parity around the middle third, really test that Mayo FB line regularly,  pressurise Clarke's KO's and see where that takes us.  Let's hope the weather in Salthill is half decent and contributes to a great Conn Final.

i expect a good, hard game, no place for quitters but I can't see other than a solid Mayo victory.
I'd say anywhere between 3 and 5 points would do me fine but if the margin is any less or if Mayo don't win it could well be because of Mayo's trademark habit of roaring into a commanding lead and then losing the plot.

I'd love to say I don't fear Galway but I really do. I've left Tuam or Castlebar with my dreams broken and my spirits somewhere south of my arse so many times I've lost count. I always dreaded the last five minutes, especially so if Mayo happened to be in the lead or in contention. The Mayo support would grow quiet and the tension would be palpable. You knew, you just knew, the heron chokers were not finished and, more often than not, they weren't.
Mind you, there were far tooo many times when the end result wasn't in doubt by the half time whistle.
While I was growing up, and my nearest and dearest tells me I haven't finished the process yet, Galway had the Indian sign on Mayo.
Some of the more, ahem, mature posters here, maybe Larry or moysider, will remember the perceived wisdom that Mayo would need to be at least three points better than Galway if they were to have a hope of winning. Our woolly neighbours to the east fared out even worse. They'd need to be at least five points better if they were to have a hope of beating Galway.
Those days have long gone. I would say that the arrival of John Maughan in the mid-90s brought an end to the county's self-serving inferiority complex. I'd get the feeling that the majority of Mayo players were just as anxious as most of the supporters to get back to the hay or the turf before the weather broke.
James Horan took up the good work and we've never looked back. It has taken blood, sweat and tears from players who didn't know the meaning of defeat. something that couldn't be said of many wore wore the green and red in previous decades.
Now, I feel quite satisfied with the progress Mayo are making this year. No ingrained inferiority to be seen and no wild euphoria either. I think the arrival of Ciaran Mac on the scene has been the catalyst that re-awakened the sense of purpose that has been lacking in recent years.
Maybe Mayo are yet a year or two short of their undoubted potential but they are heading in the right direction. I fully expect them to toss their AI credentials into the mix tomorrow afternoon.

It would be very foolish to take Galway for granted- as we've found to our cost far too many times but if we don't take the game by the scruff of the neck and maintain the grip from throw-in to the long whistle, Dessie Farrell, Declan Bonner and various other worthies will breathe a little easier.

Best of luck to the Mayo lads later today. We all know the league game of 5 weeks ago will have no bearing whatsoever on today's game. As previous Galway posters have alluded to, it's the middle third of the pitch that will more than likely be the winning and losing of the match. Hopefully Mayo can win both. Up Mayo.

Is it possible to put a pic of the programme teams on here?
I'm really looking for a "tech" class on how to do it.😁

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 13, 2020, 05:44:41 PM
Galway team to play Mayo on Sunday

1 Bernard Power
2 Seán Kelly
3 Seán Mulkerrin
4 Johnny Heaney
5 Liam Silke
6 Johnny Duane
7 Cillian McDaid
8 Cein D'Arcy
9 Tom Flynn
10 Paul Kelly
11 Paul Conroy
12 Michael Daly
13 Ian Burke
14 Shane Walsh
15 Dessie Conneely

Don't know will that team start but we'll see.

7 changes for Galway from the league game (Daly didn't start but he came on for Comer) whereas we have only 2 changes I think - Barrett for McBrien and McLoughlin for McDonagh.

I expect Galway to be much better than they were in Tuam and that game will be serious motivation for them. I'm hopeful we'll win by a point or two but I wouldn't be surprised if we lose by 1 or 2

Galway subs as per programme
Gleeson
Bradshaw
Steede
O curraoin
Finnerty
Leonard
Costello
O Donnell
Sice
C.sweeney
Molloy

Quote from: cornetto on November 15, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
Galway subs as per programme
Gleeson
Bradshaw
Steede
O curraoin
Finnerty
Leonard
Costello
O Donnell
Sice
C.sweeney
Molloy

No Seán Andy or Adrian Varley, Varley could be a big loss yet

Ah balls. Varley is a quality player.

Mayo subs as per programme.
Hennelly
Plunkett
Brickenden
Higgins
Parsons
O hora
Flynn
O donohue
Walsh
Mcdonagh
Coen.

Quote from: Duine Eile on November 15, 2020, 10:50:16 AM

Quote from: cornetto on November 15, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
Galway subs as per programme
Gleeson
Bradshaw
Steede
O curraoin
Finnerty
Leonard
Costello
O Donnell
Sice
C.sweeney
Molloy

No Seán Andy or Adrian Varley, Varley could be a big loss yet

Comer isnt listed either yet he's warming up

Ryan O'D starting in place of Moran

Mayo to win by 6-8. Galway will struggle with Mayo physicality and press on restarts.

I'd say both teams will be under pressure from the restarts

Gary O'Donnell in for Tom Flynn

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 01:28:22 PM
I'd say both teams will be under pressure from the restarts

Gary O'Donnell in for Tom Flynn

Flynn not on the 26 today at all? Comer on the bench. Mayo unchanged from the Connacht semi final.

Mayo much superior in the first ten minutes but some very poor shot selection

Galway looking laboured in attack and open in defence

Galway have very big problems here

Quote from: sid waddell on November 15, 2020, 01:47:53 PM
Galway have very big problems here

They have, but they're only 3 behind. Wild shooting letting Mayo down again.

Early days yet! Galway looking a bit pensive. Galway doing well on kickouts. Mayo are winning a lot of the 50/50 balls and getting the 50/50 decisions from the referee.

Galway 0-2 Mayo 0-5 after 20 mins.

Power's save for the COC chance was comically bad goalkeeping! Blessed that his remaining standing leg collided with the ball as he turned sideways away from the ball  ;D

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 15, 2020, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on November 15, 2020, 01:47:53 PM
Galway have very big problems here

They have, but they're only 3 behind. Wild shooting letting Mayo down again.

We've been so bad it's hard to believe we're only 4 down.

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 01:59:49 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 15, 2020, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on November 15, 2020, 01:47:53 PM
Galway have very big problems here

They have, but they're only 3 behind. Wild shooting letting Mayo down again.

We've been so bad it's hard to believe we're only 4 down.

Winter football. Also despite less possession, Galway have made it hard for Mayo!

Wrong call there on Paddy Durcan!

I hope that wasn't intentional from Conroy on O'Shea.

Galway have been poor but are right in it. Mayo should be 10 up

We're not playing well but Hurson is giving us nothing.

Mayo are making awful eejits of themselves here

They haven't punished Galway at all and Galway have grown in confidence from that

Mayo should have had them put away

Galway probably happier at HT

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 02:12:49 PM
We're not playing well but Hurson is giving us nothing.

He gave ye the free for Durcan's shoulder  :o

Half time Galway 0-5 Mayo 0-8. Mayo should be further ahead but wasteful, Galway may be happy to be only 3 points behind though a simliar performance 2nd half won't get them close to winning this match.

Both young Kelly's doing well for Galway. Not sure the wind is as significant as it usually is in Salthill.

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 02:18:18 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 02:12:49 PM
We're not playing well but Hurson is giving us nothing.

He gave ye the free for Durcan's shoulder  :o

I'm talking about over the entire half.

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 02:22:18 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 02:18:18 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 02:12:49 PM
We're not playing well but Hurson is giving us nothing.

He gave ye the free for Durcan's shoulder  :o

I'm talking about over the entire half.

Fair statement, although I think Gary o Donnell May be on his fourth or fifth foul.
Anyhow, it is all up for grabs.
Shane Walsh if he gets enough ball could beat Mayo on his own with that wind assistance.

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Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 02:18:18 PM

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 02:12:49 PM
We're not playing well but Hurson is giving us nothing.

He gave ye the free for Durcan's shoulder  :o

I'm talking about over the entire half.

Fair statement, although I think Gary o Donnell May be on his fourth or fifth foul.
Anyhow, it is all up for grabs.
Shane Walsh if he gets enough ball could beat Mayo on his own with that wind assistance.

Shane even though he looks dangerous once he gets moving has kicked the ball away in good positions about 4 times as well.

Brilliant score there from Shane Walsh!

Mayo are losing their grip on this, need to slow it down

McLoughlin picked the right option, much needed score

Comer on

50 minutes played. Galway 0-9 Mayo 0-12. Comer on.

David Clarke's kick out cost Mayo the last point by Conroy

Kickout problems have haunted Mayo over the years

Galway are in a very good position to strike here

Mayo might need a goal

I fancy Galway here.

Galway making unforced handpassing errors

Mayo took about three minutes off the clock after that last error even though they didn't score

Very good again from Barrett there

Walsh is super tbf

Some save by Power from Eoghan McLoughlin

Think he was unsighted by the defender too

Potentially key moment there

O'Connor misses the 45, that breeze is very contrary

Conneely can't get away from Barrett at all.
Varley is such a loss inside for us.

Breakaway point by Brian Walsh, but should he have gone for goal?

The result will decide the narrative

Terrible wide by Michael Daly

Higgins very lucky there

Bad miss from Walsh there

Disgraceful from McLoughlin

You can forgot about McLaughlin as a man.

Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
Disgraceful from McLoughlin

Not a bit. What is he meant to do ffs

Well done Mayo

Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

That last play by Galway sums up why they lost. Sideline ball and he plays a hospital pass to his teammate that he loses and their last chance is gone. Too many basic errors by them gifted points to Mayo.

Clarke's kick outs at the end were killing Mayo. That last one over the sideline was like Dublin in 2017.

I have no idea how Mayo hung onto that

They fell over the line as much as you can fall over the line

McLoughlin's sliding tackle was one of the most important fouls I've ever seen

It won Mayo the match

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

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Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
Disgraceful from McLoughlin

Not a bit. What is he meant to do ffs

Attempt a tackle??

It's about the GAA started awarding automatic penalties for that shit. The punishment should fit the crime.

FT Galway 0-13 Mayo 0-14. Congrats to Mayo first Connacht title in 5 years. Galway improved a lot 2nd half have will be kicking themselves to not at least bring that game to extra time.

Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2020, 03:17:26 PM

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Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
Disgraceful from McLoughlin

Not a bit. What is he meant to do ffs

Attempt a tackle??

It's about the GAA started awarding automatic penalties for that shit. The punishment should fit the crime.

Did what anyone would do in the same situation

Mayo with a nice handy path to the final now too should see them as AI favourites

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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:13:42 PM

Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
Disgraceful from McLoughlin

Not a bit. What is he meant to do ffs

Attempt a tackle??

It's about the GAA started awarding automatic penalties for that shit. The punishment should fit the crime.

Did what anyone would do in the same situation

Says a lot about our game.

That was dire stuff, the only saving grace was that we were spared extra time. This years All Ireland final could be a turkey shoot based on the lop sided draw and Kerry's early exit.

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Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
Disgraceful from McLoughlin

Not a bit. What is he meant to do ffs

Attempt a tackle??

It's about the GAA started awarding automatic penalties for that shit. The punishment should fit the crime.

Did what anyone would do in the same situation

Absolutley but RTE don't call it out for what it is when certain counties do it.

Job done. Massive improvement needed up front to make it to the final.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 15, 2020, 03:18:51 PM
Mayo with a nice handy path to the final now too should see them as AI favourites

Absolutely nothing on show there is championship winning

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2020, 12:26:46 PM
Mayo by 1

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I'm a Galway man and utterly depressed after that but to be fair if we were in the same position I'd be screaming at our defenders to do the same.
I would have done exactly what he did

Our silly turnovers cost us that in the end.
It was there for the taking.

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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:13:42 PM

Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
Disgraceful from McLoughlin

Not a bit. What is he meant to do ffs

Attempt a tackle??

It's about the GAA started awarding automatic penalties for that shit. The punishment should fit the crime.

Did what anyone would do in the same situation

Says a lot about our game.

Lads want to win? Shock f**king horror!

Winners have a hard nosed mentality and do what they have to do

Maradona had it, Luis Suarez had it, Dublin had it in 1983, Tyrone had it in 2003, Dublin had it in 2013, Dublin had it when Cormac Costello stopped David Clarke taking a quick kickout in 2017

McLoughlin did what he had to do and it paid off

Galway can cry all they like they did in 1983 or like Trump is doing at the moment, it won't change the result

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 03:26:04 PM
I'm a Galway man and utterly depressed after that but to be fair if we were in the same position I'd be screaming at our defenders to do the same.
I would have done exactly what he did

Exactly. Galway were poor but still could have won that. Walsh is some player but will disappointed with those frees. Comer fully fit and starting would have been some help there obviously

Would have been happy with a decent performance this morning. By the end I was mad they didn't win it.

Last 6 or 7 minutes there Daly missed a sitter of a point from straight in front. Shane Walsh kicked two frees wide on the far side. Not the easiest angle alright but he's capable of nailing those. Then Kelly was cleaned out of it bearing down on goal just outside the area. Poor ball in from the sideline then to end it after Hurson pulled it back. The first kick in was actually on the money. The free out Hurson gave to Mayo just before all that after Higgins clambered all over the Galway forward was mind boggling though.

Think the lack of games didn't help in the end. Galway awful sloppy in possession at times. Kicked and hand passed away a mountain of ball needlessly. To be fair they really stuck at it though.

Quote from: sid waddell on November 15, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Winners have a hard nosed mentality and do what they have to do

Maradona had it, Luis Suarez had it, Dublin had it in 1983, Tyrone had it in 2003, Dublin had it in 2013, Dublin had it when Cormac Costello stopped David Clarke taking a quick kickout in 2017

McLoughlin did what he had to do and it paid off

Galway can cry all they like they did in 1983 or like Trump is doing at the moment, it won't change the result

Who's crying? f**k off like a good lad.

Great win but Tipp or Cork won't be too worried after that.

Back in 2015, who'd have thought we'd value a Connacht championship so much

While I was happy to see McLaughlin make that foul, I have to agree with J70 on it

Shane Walsh was the only shining light of quality in an otherwise forgettable match. Beautifully balanced footballer.

Quote from: yellowcard on November 15, 2020, 03:33:47 PM
Shane Walsh was the only shining light of quality in an otherwise forgettable match. Beautifully balanced footballer.

He fluffed those frees late on and the sideline ball

Fine player but there's a touch of self indulgence about him

Delighted to get the win.

Thought Eoghan McLaughlin was our MOTM but they couldn't give it to him after the black card. Ruane had a very good 3rd quarter but was hit and miss after that.

Shane Walsh and Sean Kelly were probably the 2 standout players overall IMO.

Well done Mayo. Disappointing but as said above would have taken a decent performance this morning but still hugely disappointing to lose by a point. You could really see the lack of match sharpens in the first half, passes down into the feet of the forwards, sloppy hand passes etc. Conroy was brilliant again as was Shane Walsh but Christ he's a frustrating player, had a complete melt down at the end. Kieran Molloy player well when he came on, McDaid is improving as are the two Kellys, don't think Johnny Heaney is going to cut it at corner back. Power in goal was great, that one foray up the pitch in the first half apart of course but his distribution and his saves were excellent. As for the last tackle on Seán Kelly, of course you want your team to do that when you're the defending team but no more than the hurling yesterday, there has to be a more severe punishment for it, conceding a penalty for those types of fouls would cut a lot of that out.

Galway not good enough today, simple as. Should have been beat out the gate in the first half, Mayo poor shooting was all that kept us in it. The lack of matches coming into this was a disaster as predicted, it took at least 15-20 minutes for them to get up to the pitch of it.
They didn't give up and there was plenty of effort so couldn't fault them on that but the amount of unforced errors was just incredible, handing the ball back to Mayo, loose passes, taking the ball into contact etc. That was the losing of the match.
When there was 2/3 points in it Galway made a few key mistakes although how Silke didn't get that free after the poor Clarke kick out was baffling given some of the frees called that went the other direction.
Special word for Sean Kelly there, what a player and unlucky to be caught for the tackle at the end, another two steps and it was a penalty, such are the margins.

Congrats to Mayo, made hard work of it but hard to argue that they weren't deserved winners over the course of the match.

Quote from: sid waddell on November 15, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Winners have a hard nosed mentality and do what they have to do

Maradona had it, Luis Suarez had it, Dublin had it in 1983, Tyrone had it in 2003, Dublin had it in 2013, Dublin had it when Cormac Costello stopped David Clarke taking a quick kickout in 2017

McLoughlin did what he had to do and it paid off

Galway can cry all they like they did in 1983 or like Trump is doing at the moment, it won't change the result

No one in Galway crying, we'd have done the same I'm sure in the same position, you can f**k off with your nonsense throwing the boot in after that match, as for your "touch of self indulgence" crack, Jesus wept. 

Extremely disappointing to lose a game that was there for the taking.
Some of our turnovers under not huge pressure were infuriating.
Conroy, Walsh (immense in the second half) and Sean Kelly (came of age today) were fantastic.
Power in goal showed he is far superior to Gleeson.
Cillian McDaid cost us a few scores with bad mistakes - he has simply got to improve his decision making when in possession.
Ian Burke was poor. Conneely found it hard to get away from Barrett.
One thing I found strange - why bring on (a not fit) Damo if you're not going to place him on the edge of the square? He spent most of the time out around the 45/middle area where he was no threat.

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Shane Walsh was the only shining light of quality in an otherwise forgettable match. Beautifully balanced footballer.

He fluffed those frees late on and the sideline ball

Fine player but there's a touch of self indulgence about him

Should never have taken on the first one, 2nd one a bad miss.

When will Mayo ever learn? Early in the game when 4 points up we kicked away possession when there was no need to at all and the old failing, not taking easy scores. Very frustrating.
On the bright side, Tommy Conroy and Eoghan McLaughlin were impressive, still a lot of work to do but we are in the semi of an AI.

Best team won that Connacht final but were very close to counting the cost of a very wasteful 1st half display. It was Sean Cavanagh like against Monaghan by Eoghan McLaughlin late on and if he didn't do it we could be talking about Galway win right now.

Shane Walsh the clear stand out forward on display 0-7 scored 3 top points from play but he and his team mates will be very disappointed with those two missed frees. As stated already the Kelly brothers performed well and Conroy showed some decent leadership. No Tom Flynn,John Daly proved to be big losses.

Tommy Conroy was Mayo best forward today and i'm surprised he was subbed off with 10 mins to go.  A O'Shea was very good first half faded somewhat 2nd half, Ruane had his best game for a while. Barrett is Mr Dependable at full back.

I'd expect Mayo to go on and reach another All Ireland final now and with 3 weeks to prepare should beat the Munster champions more comfortably than Galway today.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 15, 2020, 03:43:49 PM
Special word for Sean Kelly there, what a player and unlucky to be caught for the tackle at the end, another two steps and it was a penalty, such are the margins.

He was brilliant today, like a young Keith Higgins

weird game. i felt galway's lack of games really showed with their touch being a bit off etc but it looked like mayo were feeling the run of consecutive games they've been on too, looked a bit leggy in places. if it had gone to extra time, i would have fancied galway to nick it just based on freshness. mayo will be thankful for the break, i think. they need that time to get the bodies back in order. they'd fancy their chances against the Munster champions, but their midfield looks suspect. was surprised they gave motm to the Ruane lad, thought he was very hit and miss and wasn't really catching much ball in the middle. would have given it to the lad with the cynical foul at the end - you need that bit of badness. or barrett.

what was the logic in bringing on comer? didn't look fit and galway went backwards when he came on, i thought.

QuoteWill RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

Should have been a free out in the build up anyhow, watch it again.

Anyhow Tipp have nothing to worry about after that.

QuoteThe free out Hurson gave to Mayo just before all that after Higgins clambered all over the Galway forward was mind boggling though.

What's the story with the advantage rule? We were clear on goal there and Hurson blew for the free at a vital time. I think the decisions balanced up and Galway had a phantom point awarded also.

Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 04:36:06 PM

QuoteThe free out Hurson gave to Mayo just before all that after Higgins clambered all over the Galway forward was mind boggling though.

What's the story with the advantage rule? We were clear on goal there and Hurson blew for the free at a vital time. I think the decisions balanced up and Galway had a phantom point awarded also.

I wouldn't say they balanced up at all to be honest.
I think ye deserved the win but he was brutal.
What phantom point was that? Genuinely don't remember there being a dubious one?

Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 04:38:16 PM

Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 04:36:06 PM

QuoteThe free out Hurson gave to Mayo just before all that after Higgins clambered all over the Galway forward was mind boggling though.

What's the story with the advantage rule? We were clear on goal there and Hurson blew for the free at a vital time. I think the decisions balanced up and Galway had a phantom point awarded also.

I wouldn't say they balanced up at all to be honest.
I think ye deserved the win but he was brutal.
What phantom point was that? Genuinely don't remember there being a dubious one?

I can't remember a contentious point either. Was there one?

Enjoyable though error ridden game. Mayo started like they would have a similar style victory as that over Roscommon, and a 6 point half time lead looked likely. Galway's handling errors were shocking and the lack of games was telling. But they never lacked for effort and had a warrior out there in Conroy and a class forward in Walsh. Mayo were fortunate that Ruane finally found a bit of good  form and his points proved vital. I thought once Galway finally got to the pitch of game, they had the winning of it and in the end I think the ref cost them. He let Coen foul all day to compensate for a lack of pace and gave a shocking free out when Clark bungled another kick out and Higgins had clearly lost ball and fouled. He stopped their momentum other times. I suppose overall Mayo were best for 50 mins but definitely used a get out of jail card from what began brightly enough. They do have room to improve. If it's Cork, I'd still see that as 50/50. They would beat Tipp with a bit to spare.

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Quote from: galwayman on November 15, 2020, 04:38:16 PM

Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 04:36:06 PM

QuoteThe free out Hurson gave to Mayo just before all that after Higgins clambered all over the Galway forward was mind boggling though.

What's the story with the advantage rule? We were clear on goal there and Hurson blew for the free at a vital time. I think the decisions balanced up and Galway had a phantom point awarded also.

I wouldn't say they balanced up at all to be honest.
I think ye deserved the win but he was brutal.
What phantom point was that? Genuinely don't remember there being a dubious one?

I can't remember a contentious point either. Was there one?

There was one from Ian Burke in the 2nd half that looked very tight on TV

Ian Burke didn't score all game iirc, I cannot remember any contentious score in the match myself, what is this phantom point ye are on about?

Ian Burke hadn't a shot not to mind a point.

Well done to Mayo, got the win and that's all that counts - best of luck for the remainder of the championship.
As said elsewhere, it took us 20+ minutes to get to the pitch of the game and our turnovers, mostly self inflicted, were criminal at times.
Some huge performance and especially from Walsh, S Kelly and Conroy.
Never was John Daly as badly missed as the second half today - needed him in the middle of that half back line. 
Eoghan McLoughlin was Mayos standout player - Ruane wasn't in the top 5 players on the pitch and no idea how he ended up with MOTM.

They felt they couldn't give MOTM to the lad after him cynically taking a player out, only plausible reason.

Any reason Sice didn't take those last 2 frees? They would have suited the left footer. Not that he was good after he came on. Both himself and Higgins made big errors after coming on but Higgins was bailed out by the ref for his one at least.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 15, 2020, 05:04:42 PM
They felt they couldn't give MOTM to the lad after him cynically taking a player out, only plausible reason.

Yeah, that was probably the reasoning alright. He carried some great ball for Mayo today in fairness to him.  Shot selection is a bit suspect but he's a big addition to that HF line.  His overall performance highlighted the loss of John Daly even more unfortunately for us. 

honestly i felt walsh was the motm. he had a bit of a nightmare with the frees at the end, but i felt he otherwise had a great game. he is the stand out quality footballer on that galway team in my opinion.

on the ref, the ridiculous call of the day was giving a yellow to durcan for a totally fair shoulder. i swear to god, tough fair shoulders are part of the game. if the fella falls on the ground, then he falls on the ground. that doesn't make it a foul.

Only saw the last 15 minutes.
Mayowestros seemed to be making heavy weather of it but Galway blew a few opportunities at the end.

Padraig joyce summed the loss afterwards when he said basic mistakes by his team which he couldnt understand why they made them and giving away possession cheaply.He said they had trained well and hard for the match and wouldnt accept lack of a game prior to this as any excuse.he dually said the very best to mayo as connacht champions and hoped they do well.i think as supporters we should take it on the chin and in fairness only for powers great save which kept us in the game,the finish may not have been as close.

Padraic Joyce lamented the 'unforgivable' mistakes his side made in a narrow Connacht final loss to old rivals Mayo at Pearse Stadium.

The Tribesmen finished on the wrong side of a 0-14 to 0-13 scoreline, and the manner of defeat was most disappointing for the former All-Star.

Galway kicked 13 points, a tally the Killererin club man said is 'not good enough to win a provincial title, or any match'.

Coming into the game in the unusual position of having had no competitive championship action, Joyce was in no mood to make excuses.

"I'm not going into that," he told reporters after the game as to whether their lack of match preparation was a factor.

"We trained hard ourselves the last two weeks ourselves, the mistakes we made there today were just unforgivable from our point of view that, Mayo scored eight points in the first half, we made six handling errors giving the ball away for six of those eight scores. The lads battled hard, our game plan worked to a tee, but we just didn't execute the clinical edge at the end.

"We've only ourselves to blame, there's no point us looking for excuses, we'll take it on the chin. Mayo deserve credit, it's their fifth week in a row playing, they go on and represent Connacht and they'll do well going forward."

Although Galway had shown major promise in the early part of 2020, playing a delightful brand of attacking football, the suspension of activities brought about a downturn in their results. They lost all three of their matches since the restart - twice against Mayo, the other against All-Ireland champions Dublin.

"There's nothing we can do, it's knockout football, we'll learn huge lessons from it, the lads themselves will look at their performances and reevaluate what they're at and what they're at going forward. I'm proud of them, I'm proud to be their manager, but some of the mistakes there today, I don't know where they came from and I don't know how we didn't hold possession a lot of times, there's nothing we can say about it."

The Galway boss was also left frustrated by the performance of referee Sean Hurson.

"A lot of things annoyed me," Joyce observed after full-time.

"There was a time at the end, Liam Silke, there was definitely a man lying on his back fourteen yards from goal and I don't know how he didn't give a free for that. There was a time here at the back when Diarmuid O'Connor came in to nail one of our lads, he went down, the referee stopped the play, we had the ball gone to Mike Daly who was 40 yards free could have got a score the far side. A lot of decisions were baffling today, to be honest."

He said that he was content to be just three points down at the break against the breeze.

"I was happy with the position we were in at half time, three points down, even though I wasn't happy with the way they had played.

"They covered the ground really well and broke up the channels going into Aidan O'Shea. Sean Kelly had an immense game on him. They defended really well. But thirteen points is not enough to win any match.

"We will try and build on this though. It was a massive opportunity to get into an All-Ireland semi-final or final. It is a difficult year and it is heartbreaking to be out of it. It is tough, it is mentally draining to be there seven months of the year not knowing whether they would be playing football. We learned a lot as management this year, and we will come back whenever it is, January of February, we don't know and we will be stronger for it. Sometimes in defeat you learn more than you do in victory.

He said that for Damien Comer, if the game been a week later, he would have been nearly fully fit.

"But he hadn't the games, and his ball skills were in trouble. When you are marked by top class defenders like Chris Barrett, you cannot afford to spill a ball or they'll run through ya. He did well, but with more training he would have been immense.

He said that the attitude of Paul Conroy and Gareth Bradshaw has been laudable.

"They're great lads and they have given great service to Galway," he said.

Quote"We've only ourselves to blame, there's no point us looking for excuses, we'll take it on the chin. Mayo deserve credit, it's their fifth week in a row playing, they go on and represent Connacht and they'll do well going forward."

Quote"A lot of things annoyed me," Joyce observed after full-time.

"There was a time at the end, Liam Silke, there was definitely a man lying on his back fourteen yards from goal and I don't know how he didn't give a free for that. There was a time here at the back when Diarmuid O'Connor came in to nail one of our lads, he went down, the referee stopped the play, we had the ball gone to Mike Daly who was 40 yards free could have got a score the far side. A lot of decisions were baffling today, to be honest."

This is why we could never beat ye lads enough. Typical Galway lads talking out both sides of yer mouth. Anyhow good luck to ye in the hurling.

Quote from: WhoDat on November 15, 2020, 05:26:47 PM
honestly i felt walsh was the motm. he had a bit of a nightmare with the frees at the end, but i felt he otherwise had a great game. he is the stand out quality footballer on that galway team in my opinion.

on the ref, the ridiculous call of the day was giving a yellow to durcan for a totally fair shoulder. i swear to god, tough fair shoulders are part of the game. if the fella falls on the ground, then he falls on the ground. that doesn't make it a foul.

You do have to have at least one foot on ground for it to be a fair shoulder. Definitely looks like both feet off ground. Maybe not a yellow, but a free.

Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 07:40:02 PM

Quote"We've only ourselves to blame, there's no point us looking for excuses, we'll take it on the chin. Mayo deserve credit, it's their fifth week in a row playing, they go on and represent Connacht and they'll do well going forward."

Quote"A lot of things annoyed me," Joyce observed after full-time.

"There was a time at the end, Liam Silke, there was definitely a man lying on his back fourteen yards from goal and I don't know how he didn't give a free for that. There was a time here at the back when Diarmuid O'Connor came in to nail one of our lads, he went down, the referee stopped the play, we had the ball gone to Mike Daly who was 40 yards free could have got a score the far side. A lot of decisions were baffling today, to be honest."

This is why we could never beat ye lads enough. Typical Galway lads talking out both sides of yer mouth. Anyhow good luck to ye in the hurling.

Exactly and how could anyone take joyce serious ever again after him saying comer was out and it would take a miracle for him to be togged ,ffs blatant lies .

On the game itself we totally lost the run of ourselves , daft shot selection combined with clarkes bad kickouts , personally think we cannot expect to progress with Clarke in goal , kickouts have become more and more crucial in the game and Clarke a great servant and very good keeper besides but the kick out is becoming off the scale poor .

James Carr should be playing too ,just my opinion is all.

That's two games in a row that our shot selection has been questionable to say the least. As the clock ticked on towards the end of the game today I was sure we were going to lose. Thankfully Shane Walsh fluffed those two frees. Really must improve in the scoring areas to have any hope of going any further. As well as that, I'm sure JH is grateful for Galway's slow start and Mayo's defensive forte in the first half. It was heart stopping stuff at the end.

A win is a win however and a Connacht title is not to be sneezed at. It more than likely will be Cork in the semi final so we'll see if they will work on the issues at hand over the next three weeks.

I personally thought Eoghan McLaughlin was man of the match. I thought Ruane was poorish enough in the first half. The two O'Connors were quieter than usual also today I thought. Didn't think Durcan deserved a yellow.

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Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 04:36:06 PM

QuoteThe free out Hurson gave to Mayo just before all that after Higgins clambered all over the Galway forward was mind boggling though.

What's the story with the advantage rule? We were clear on goal there and Hurson blew for the free at a vital time. I think the decisions balanced up and Galway had a phantom point awarded also.

I wouldn't say they balanced up at all to be honest.
I think ye deserved the win but he was brutal.
What phantom point was that? Genuinely don't remember there being a dubious one?

I can't remember a contentious point either. Was there one?

There was one from Ian Burke in the 2nd half that looked very tight on TV

The one I was referring (I didn't call it a phantom point tbf) to was the Conroy point after a lay off from Burke. Looked tight but the commentators seemed to think it was in so fair enough

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Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 07:40:02 PM

Quote"We've only ourselves to blame, there's no point us looking for excuses, we'll take it on the chin. Mayo deserve credit, it's their fifth week in a row playing, they go on and represent Connacht and they'll do well going forward."

Quote"A lot of things annoyed me," Joyce observed after full-time.

"There was a time at the end, Liam Silke, there was definitely a man lying on his back fourteen yards from goal and I don't know how he didn't give a free for that. There was a time here at the back when Diarmuid O'Connor came in to nail one of our lads, he went down, the referee stopped the play, we had the ball gone to Mike Daly who was 40 yards free could have got a score the far side. A lot of decisions were baffling today, to be honest."

This is why we could never beat ye lads enough. Typical Galway lads talking out both sides of yer mouth. Anyhow good luck to ye in the hurling.

Exactly and how could anyone take joyce serious ever again after him saying comer was out and it would take a miracle for him to be togged ,ffs blatant lies .

On the game itself we totally lost the run of ourselves , daft shot selection combined with clarkes bad kickouts , personally think we cannot expect to progress with Clarke in goal , kickouts have become more and more crucial in the game and Clarke a great servant and very good keeper besides but the kick out is becoming off the scale poor .

James Carr should be playing too ,just my opinion is all.

I've been dithering all afternoon wondering if I should mention Clarke's poor kickouts. At this level there is no room for mistakes- one ropey kick out could mean the losing of a game and it could have today, should have against Roscommon and definitely did on the double against Tyrone. We'd still be in Division One if Clarkie hadn't goofed up a couple of kick outs.
He has every other skill a top notch goalie needs, with a bit to spare and yet his kick outs remain a liability. Its heresy for diehard Mayo fans to criticise man but he's no Stephen Cluxton when it comes to restarts. It's unfair I know but a full forward can miss all day but is still a hero if he nails one lucky goal in the last minute in extra time and it's a winner. On the other hand a goalie is under pressure from start to finish and all his good work will be forgotten of he gifts a single restart to the opposition  and the ball winds up in the net.
Mayo are riding their luck with Clarkie's kick outs. Problem is Bob Hennelly is not reliable.
Is there nobody else in the entire county??

I'd have thought Reape might have been called into the panel, might not be a starter this year but it'd help develop him as an option for next year. On the ah ref podcast, they were going on about one of the intermediate keepers, maybe kiltimagh?

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 11:34:10 PM
I'd have thought Reape might have been called into the panel, might not be a starter this year but it'd help develop him as an option for next year. On the ah ref podcast, they were going on about one of the intermediate keepers, maybe kiltimagh?

Probably the mayo minor keeper from last year. Jennings from Ballinrobe.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2020, 11:29:57 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on November 15, 2020, 08:28:17 PM

Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 07:40:02 PM

Quote"We've only ourselves to blame, there's no point us looking for excuses, we'll take it on the chin. Mayo deserve credit, it's their fifth week in a row playing, they go on and represent Connacht and they'll do well going forward."

Quote"A lot of things annoyed me," Joyce observed after full-time.

"There was a time at the end, Liam Silke, there was definitely a man lying on his back fourteen yards from goal and I don't know how he didn't give a free for that. There was a time here at the back when Diarmuid O'Connor came in to nail one of our lads, he went down, the referee stopped the play, we had the ball gone to Mike Daly who was 40 yards free could have got a score the far side. A lot of decisions were baffling today, to be honest."

This is why we could never beat ye lads enough. Typical Galway lads talking out both sides of yer mouth. Anyhow good luck to ye in the hurling.

Exactly and how could anyone take joyce serious ever again after him saying comer was out and it would take a miracle for him to be togged ,ffs blatant lies .

On the game itself we totally lost the run of ourselves , daft shot selection combined with clarkes bad kickouts , personally think we cannot expect to progress with Clarke in goal , kickouts have become more and more crucial in the game and Clarke a great servant and very good keeper besides but the kick out is becoming off the scale poor .

James Carr should be playing too ,just my opinion is all.

I've been dithering all afternoon wondering if I should mention Clarke's poor kickouts. At this level there is no room for mistakes- one ropey kick out could mean the losing of a game and it could have today, should have against Roscommon and definitely did on the double against Tyrone. We'd still be in Division One if Clarkie hadn't goofed up a couple of kick outs.
He has every other skill a top notch goalie needs, with a bit to spare and yet his kick outs remain a liability. Its heresy for diehard Mayo fans to criticise man but he's no Stephen Cluxton when it comes to restarts. It's unfair I know but a full forward can miss all day but is still a hero if he nails one lucky goal in the last minute in extra time and it's a winner. On the other hand a goalie is under pressure from start to finish and all his good work will be forgotten of he gifts a single restart to the opposition  and the ball winds up in the net.
Mayo are riding their luck with Clarkie's kick outs. Problem is Bob Hennelly is not reliable.
Is there nobody else in the entire county??

Clarkie is the best keeper we have ever had. One of the best the game has ever had. However, injuries have affected his ability to kick the dead ball. That happens. A hole in quad muscle or hamstring does that and nothing you can do about it. He's still excellent besides but it is a problem.
If you have a dodgy kick-out, you need a big thick ball-winning midfield. If you have a lightweight midfield, like we do, you need a keeper that can ping it. Clarke would still be grand with a Seamie and Parsons in their pomp but that's over. We don't have a Liameen or Willie Joe either. I know what Horan is trying to do with midfield but it's putting the cart before the horse.

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Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2020, 11:29:57 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on November 15, 2020, 08:28:17 PM

Quote from: highorlow on November 15, 2020, 07:40:02 PM

Quote"We've only ourselves to blame, there's no point us looking for excuses, we'll take it on the chin. Mayo deserve credit, it's their fifth week in a row playing, they go on and represent Connacht and they'll do well going forward."

Quote"A lot of things annoyed me," Joyce observed after full-time.

"There was a time at the end, Liam Silke, there was definitely a man lying on his back fourteen yards from goal and I don't know how he didn't give a free for that. There was a time here at the back when Diarmuid O'Connor came in to nail one of our lads, he went down, the referee stopped the play, we had the ball gone to Mike Daly who was 40 yards free could have got a score the far side. A lot of decisions were baffling today, to be honest."

This is why we could never beat ye lads enough. Typical Galway lads talking out both sides of yer mouth. Anyhow good luck to ye in the hurling.

Exactly and how could anyone take joyce serious ever again after him saying comer was out and it would take a miracle for him to be togged ,ffs blatant lies .

On the game itself we totally lost the run of ourselves , daft shot selection combined with clarkes bad kickouts , personally think we cannot expect to progress with Clarke in goal , kickouts have become more and more crucial in the game and Clarke a great servant and very good keeper besides but the kick out is becoming off the scale poor .

James Carr should be playing too ,just my opinion is all.

I've been dithering all afternoon wondering if I should mention Clarke's poor kickouts. At this level there is no room for mistakes- one ropey kick out could mean the losing of a game and it could have today, should have against Roscommon and definitely did on the double against Tyrone. We'd still be in Division One if Clarkie hadn't goofed up a couple of kick outs.
He has every other skill a top notch goalie needs, with a bit to spare and yet his kick outs remain a liability. Its heresy for diehard Mayo fans to criticise man but he's no Stephen Cluxton when it comes to restarts. It's unfair I know but a full forward can miss all day but is still a hero if he nails one lucky goal in the last minute in extra time and it's a winner. On the other hand a goalie is under pressure from start to finish and all his good work will be forgotten of he gifts a single restart to the opposition  and the ball winds up in the net.
Mayo are riding their luck with Clarkie's kick outs. Problem is Bob Hennelly is not reliable.
Is there nobody else in the entire county??

Clarkie is the best keeper we have ever had. One of the best the game has ever had. However, injuries have affected his ability to kick the dead ball. That happens. A hole in quad muscle or hamstring does that and nothing you can do about it. He's still excellent besides but it is a problem.
If you have a dodgy kick-out, you need a big thick ball-winning midfield. If you have a lightweight midfield, like we do, you need a keeper that can ping it. Clarke would still be grand with a Seamie and Parsons in their pomp but that's over. We don't have a Liameen or Willie Joe either. I know what Horan is trying to do with midfield but it's putting the cart before the horse.

I can't disagree with anything you wrote, especially the bolded bits - the fact remains that Clarkie's restarts have an element of the Hail Mary in every one of them.
Yes, a big ,thick midfield would help offset his wayward kickouts and its very obvious that there is no way he can signal his intention when he does restart to aim the ball at a particular colleague. He certainly cannot pinpoint  a kick to a well-placed colleague over 50 yards away like Cluxton can.
With all the resources at Mayo's disposal, it's bizarre that nothing has been done at coaching level to overcome this particular problem.
No amount of heroic efforts out the field can compensate for a couple of gifted goals as happened in the last Tyrone game. Clarke's goofed kickouts were bad enough but the failure of the Mayo backs to react quickly enough to get into position when possession was lost means they weren't anticipating an inaccurate kick out and that is something that is extremely avoidable.
Mayo out in a tremendous effort in the second half that should have overcome Tyrone yet it was all in vain because of two sloppy kick outs. If you are to have any serious designs on Sam Maguire next month, you can't afford to go cavalier with your restarts.

One thing about people blaming Clarke for Mckenna's goal against tyrone(not the bad kick out one). I don't think he could have got that. Watch his feet - McKenna was very clever and knew if he put the ball where he did Clarke would be wrong footed. If his feet weren't in that position McKenna would have put it elsewhere. That to me wasn't a mistake at all.

Mayo have reached all ireland semi final every year James Horan in charge. 3 week break now, ideal after 5 games in a row in terms of physical prep , hope it's Cork personally ...Cian O Neil is owed one 8)

Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2020, 08:44:53 AM
Mayo have reached all ireland semi final every year James Horan in charge. 3 week break now, ideal after 5 games in a row in terms of physical prep , hope it's Cork personally ...Cian O Neil is owed one 8)

Was he with Kerry when we beat them in 2017?

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Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2020, 08:44:53 AM
Mayo have reached all ireland semi final every year James Horan in charge. 3 week break now, ideal after 5 games in a row in terms of physical prep , hope it's Cork personally ...Cian O Neil is owed one 8)

Was he with Kerry when we beat them in 2017?

He was manager of Kildare in 2017.
Was involved with Kerry in 2013 and 2014 if memory serves me.
Took over Kildare then in 2015 until 2019.

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Quote from: Tubberman on November 16, 2020, 09:19:41 AM

Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2020, 08:44:53 AM
Mayo have reached all ireland semi final every year James Horan in charge. 3 week break now, ideal after 5 games in a row in terms of physical prep , hope it's Cork personally ...Cian O Neil is owed one 8)

Was he with Kerry when we beat them in 2017?

He was manager of Kildare in 2017.
Was involved with Kerry in 2013 and 2014 if memory serves me.
Took over Kildare then in 2015 until 2019.

Oh sure Jesus, how could I forget Newbridge or Nowhere! :D

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Just so disappointed after that, didn't have any expectation going in and once I saw the dry day and Flynn out injured I thought Galway were in for a really tough day. Given Galway were against the wind in that first half thats the best half Galway have had in a long time in terms of kickouts, won a lot of primary possession where you'd want to be winning it. As for what happened once they won the ball in the first half hour it was nothing short of diabolical, couldn't believe what I was watching from a team who's been playing Div 1 football for a good few years, 6 of those 8 Mayo scores came from Galway giving the ball away needlessly; There was no exceptional defensive work from Mayo during that 1st half it was all Galways own doing, 11 of Mayo's 14 scores came from turnovers and I think just 2 of them was really good work from Mayo. Galway scored 0-5 from Mayo giving the ball away so you can see its a chiasmic difference.  Shane Walsh gave it away 3 times when under no pressure with ridiculous balls, Silke carrying it over the sideline, McDaid handpassing over the sideline under no pressure, Ian Burke losing the ball twice through sloppiness and there's a good few more too.

Galway way to over reliant on Walsh & Conroy who kicked 6 points from play between them. Ian Burke & Michael Daly both non existent from an attacking sense, there another 2 that lack pace too which is a clear problem for Galway; Its all about having a balance and Galway just don't have it, I do think Joyce will certainly give some of the younger plays a chance though. Paul Kelly looks the part, did very well in that first for a lad who's ontly 18/19; He won 2 marks over Eoghan McLoughlin and flicked another of Powers kickouts to retain possession, McLoughlin only started to become a real influence once Kelly went off. Sean Kelly exceptional too, the lad has everything you want in a defender.

The subs had little impact, Steede well off the pace as was Comer which is hardly a surprise although don't understand why Comer wasn't thrown in on the edge of the square. The Sice experiement didn't work either, in fairness Bradshaw had a good game and Molloy looled lively but overall PJ didn't get them right. You'd wonder would Finnerty have kicked either of those frees that Walsh missed, hindsight is wonderful but reckon he'd have kicked one of them.

Tommy Conroy looks a real find, kicked 3 good scores from play and adds much needed pace to that Mayo forward line; Don't think he was responsible either for any of the daft shots that Mayo kicked yesterday in that 1st half. Haven't seen much of McLoughlin as a defender but he's clearly going to be a huge asset going forward with that pace.

As for Galway its the 2nd year in a row where they've been decimated by injuries come the championship and I don't think its coincidental.






Durcan's yellow was deserved, he hit O'Donnell before th

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Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 11:34:10 PM
I'd have thought Reape might have been called into the panel, might not be a starter this year but it'd help develop him as an option for next year. On the ah ref podcast, they were going on about one of the intermediate keepers, maybe kiltimagh?

Probably the mayo minor keeper from last year. Jennings from Ballinrobe.

Cheers. Would be good to have him and a couple of more young keepers brought in for some kicking sessions

The end of that match was a replica of the Armagh qualifier match last year, even with the late frees. That day Armagh copped on to us near the end and did the press and I remember leaving the match saying to folk that had Armagh copped onto us earlier we were goosed.

Can't understand why more of our lads don't "show" for the kickouts late on. This is a mental thing at this stage and something that badly needs to be addressed. Going on for years.

Agree with a lot of that. We need to inject some more new blood next year.
We need another keeper in there along with Bernie Power (who was excellent yesterday) as Gleeson isn't up to it.
Young lads like Cathal Sweeney, Conor Raftery, James McLoughlin, Cian Hernon, Matthew Tierney will hopefully be in there in the next year or two.
Sweeney would inject a bit more pace into our half back line - albeit he probably needs to mature a bit physically.

I hope Gary O Donnell doesn't retire now (he will be 33 next year). Even coming off the bench if not an automatic starter he would be invaluable.
Conroy will be 32 next year but we need him to stay on also. He (along with Gary) is a massive leader in a team short on leadership.
I agree especially with your comment on our reliance on Shane and PC. Other forwards need to step up to the plate.
Ian Burke doesn't even try to take his on marker anymore. If he wins the ball his first instinct is to just pass it off and the opposition defence know that now. A marker can afford to be that bit looser as a result and hang off him a bit.
He isn't a scoring threat anymore.

Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

That was one gobshite. And it was at a time when the black card was not in situ.

The rest all said, to a man, they would have done the same thing, and main debate and media coverage was around the sooner the better the black card comes in to punish this. Sean Cavanagh has let this go long ago, maybe you should follow his example!

Mayo weren't really punished, but they would have been had Galway took their chance to equalise as they would have had to play a portion of ET with a man less.

Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Sean Cavanagh got the full nine years because of Joe Brolly's emotional reaction- nothing more or less. IIRC, no intercounty player came out to say he was critical of what SC had done.
IMO, that's perfectly understandable.
Players in Cavanagh'as or McLoughlin's position will react instinctively if they see the game slipping away from them. Unlike spectators they can't sit back on their arses and worry about what armchair warriors are thinking.

Quote from: galwayman on November 16, 2020, 10:27:52 AM
Agree with a lot of that. We need to inject some more new blood next year.
We need another keeper in there along with Bernie Power (who was excellent yesterday) as Gleeson isn't up to it.
Young lads like Cathal Sweeney, Conor Raftery, James McLoughlin, Cian Hernon, Matthew Tierney will hopefully be in there in the next year or two.
Sweeney would inject a bit more pace into our half back line - albeit he probably needs to mature a bit physically.

I hope Gary O Donnell doesn't retire now (he will be 33 next year). Even coming off the bench if not an automatic starter he would be invaluable.
Conroy will be 32 next year but we need him to stay on also. He (along with Gary) is a massive leader in a team short on leadership.
I agree especially with your comment on our reliance on Shane and PC. Other forwards need to step up to the plate.
Ian Burke doesn't even try to take his on marker anymore. If he wins the ball his first instinct is to just pass it off and the opposition defence know that now. A marker can afford to be that bit looser as a result and hang off him a bit.
He isn't a scoring threat anymore.

It wasn't GOD's best day out though, one of those games where he couldn't seem to lay his hands on a player without fouling.

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Quote from: galwayman on November 16, 2020, 10:27:52 AM
Agree with a lot of that. We need to inject some more new blood next year.
We need another keeper in there along with Bernie Power (who was excellent yesterday) as Gleeson isn't up to it.
Young lads like Cathal Sweeney, Conor Raftery, James McLoughlin, Cian Hernon, Matthew Tierney will hopefully be in there in the next year or two.
Sweeney would inject a bit more pace into our half back line - albeit he probably needs to mature a bit physically.

I hope Gary O Donnell doesn't retire now (he will be 33 next year). Even coming off the bench if not an automatic starter he would be invaluable.
Conroy will be 32 next year but we need him to stay on also. He (along with Gary) is a massive leader in a team short on leadership.
I agree especially with your comment on our reliance on Shane and PC. Other forwards need to step up to the plate.
Ian Burke doesn't even try to take his on marker anymore. If he wins the ball his first instinct is to just pass it off and the opposition defence know that now. A marker can afford to be that bit looser as a result and hang off him a bit.
He isn't a scoring threat anymore.

It wasn't GOD's best day out though, one of those games where he couldn't seem to lay his hands on a player without fouling.

McDaid too, poor again although would persevere with him as he's another player who's been plagued by injury since returning from Australia. He's just not played enough football, he has that ability to inject pace into that middle 3rd that Galway lack.

What was Comer like pre covid Galway lads ? That ankle injury really messed up 2019 for him . Miles off the pace yesterday as expected , 3 weeks post significant hamstring injury.

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Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Sean Cavanagh got the full nine years because of Joe Brolly's emotional reaction- nothing more or less. IIRC, no intercounty player came out to say he was critical of what SC had done.
IMO, that's perfectly understandable.
Players in Cavanagh'as or McLoughlin's position will react instinctively if they see the game slipping away from them. Unlike spectators they can't sit back on their arses and worry about what armchair warriors are thinking.

Yeah, they'll all do it, no matter which county it is, but is that the way it should be?

If someone is clean through and gets taken out, it should be a penalty in addition to a straight red (and all the extras that brings). The punishment should fit the crime instead of the current cop out. This "taking one for the team" bullshit might end.

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Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2020, 12:02:32 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Sean Cavanagh got the full nine years because of Joe Brolly's emotional reaction- nothing more or less. IIRC, no intercounty player came out to say he was critical of what SC had done.
IMO, that's perfectly understandable.
Players in Cavanagh'as or McLoughlin's position will react instinctively if they see the game slipping away from them. Unlike spectators they can't sit back on their arses and worry about what armchair warriors are thinking.

Yeah, they'll all do it, no matter which county it is, but is that the way it should be?

If someone is clean through and gets taken out, it should be a penalty in addition to a straight red (and all the extras that brings). The punishment should fit the crime instead of the current cop out. This "taking one for the team" bullshit might end.

Surely not a penalty if the offence is outside the box though ?
Happy enough to see McLaughlin scythe Kelly down personally , I remember Meehan scoring a goal into that end in Connacht 2009 final to level things up and had 2 of our lads had chance to take him down and went the honourable route instead .

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Quote from: J70 on November 16, 2020, 12:49:21 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2020, 12:02:32 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Sean Cavanagh got the full nine years because of Joe Brolly's emotional reaction- nothing more or less. IIRC, no intercounty player came out to say he was critical of what SC had done.
IMO, that's perfectly understandable.
Players in Cavanagh'as or McLoughlin's position will react instinctively if they see the game slipping away from them. Unlike spectators they can't sit back on their arses and worry about what armchair warriors are thinking.

Yeah, they'll all do it, no matter which county it is, but is that the way it should be?

If someone is clean through and gets taken out, it should be a penalty in addition to a straight red (and all the extras that brings). The punishment should fit the crime instead of the current cop out. This "taking one for the team" bullshit might end.

Surely not a penalty if the offence is outside the box though ?
Happy enough to see McLaughlin scythe Kelly down personally , I remember Meehan scoring a goal into that end in Connacht 2009 final to level things up and had 2 of our lads had chance to take him down and went the honourable route instead .

Why not?

It might remove the urgency to just hack the player out of it just outside the box, instead of actually trying to close him off and get a tackle in.

How would you word the rule?

Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2020, 12:57:16 PM

Quote from: J70 on November 16, 2020, 12:49:21 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2020, 12:02:32 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Sean Cavanagh got the full nine years because of Joe Brolly's emotional reaction- nothing more or less. IIRC, no intercounty player came out to say he was critical of what SC had done.
IMO, that's perfectly understandable.
Players in Cavanagh'as or McLoughlin's position will react instinctively if they see the game slipping away from them. Unlike spectators they can't sit back on their arses and worry about what armchair warriors are thinking.

Yeah, they'll all do it, no matter which county it is, but is that the way it should be?

If someone is clean through and gets taken out, it should be a penalty in addition to a straight red (and all the extras that brings). The punishment should fit the crime instead of the current cop out. This "taking one for the team" bullshit might end.

Surely not a penalty if the offence is outside the box though ?
Happy enough to see McLaughlin scythe Kelly down personally , I remember Meehan scoring a goal into that end in Connacht 2009 final to level things up and had 2 of our lads had chance to take him down and went the honourable route instead .

Peadar Gardiner had the final say though  :D

Quote from: Rossfan on November 16, 2020, 01:05:36 PM
How would you word the rule?

With great difficulty!  ;D

No idea how you'd word it, especially with the ludicrous lengths counties go to with the legal bullshit.

I'm sure they could look to soccer and their wording for taking someone out when through on goal.

All I know is that the current "solution" offers no incentive whatsoever to play the game in an honest and sporting fashion.

A team should be embarrassed to have to win in that manner. But we all just accept it because we'd all do it under the same circumstances. The Irish way I guess.

Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2020, 12:44:19 PM
What was Comer like pre covid Galway lads ? That ankle injury really messed up 2019 for him . Miles off the pace yesterday as expected , 3 weeks post significant hamstring injury.

I would say certainly not back to anywhere near his best. He was okay in the early league games without standing out really.
Even when club championship was back up and running, he wasn't great for Annaghdown in the club championship.
He played a good chunk of games as he plays hurling for them also.

Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2020, 12:44:19 PM
What was Comer like pre covid Galway lads ? That ankle injury really messed up 2019 for him . Miles off the pace yesterday as expected , 3 weeks post significant hamstring injury.

He hasn't really had a run free from injury in probably 2 years now. The ankle injury was 2 years ago this Christmas. Was misdiagnosed and lingered for a year. Played some league football during the spring and was working his way back and got injured during the club championship I think. Wasn't due to play against Mayo in the league but they started him and he did his hamstring after 3 minutes. A pale shadow of himself at the moment but obviously a major weapon if they can get him fully fit and training regularly again as his ball work has really suffered with little football done.

Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:43 PM

Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Cavanagh was dead right too and Brolly a tube for thinking he wouldnt have done the same in thst situation. Sure you'd be raging if they didn't do it.

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Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Cavanagh was dead right too and Brolly a tube for thinking he wouldnt have done the same in thst situation. Sure you'd be raging if they didn't do it.

That may all be true. So what?

That the rules indulge and basically encourage this cynical and unsporting behaviour and attitude is a sad indictment of our sport.

Its a pathetic way to win a game and it needs to be stamped out. Leaving aside the personal stuff aimed at Cavanagh, Brolly was correct in raising it. It should be raised some more.

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What was Comer like pre covid Galway lads ? That ankle injury really messed up 2019 for him . Miles off the pace yesterday as expected , 3 weeks post significant hamstring injury.

He hasn't really had a run free from injury in probably 2 years now. The ankle injury was 2 years ago this Christmas. Was misdiagnosed and lingered for a year. Played some league football during the spring and was working his way back and got injured during the club championship I think. Wasn't due to play against Mayo in the league but they started him and he did his hamstring after 3 minutes. A pale shadow of himself at the moment but obviously a major weapon if they can get him fully fit and training regularly again as his ball work has really suffered with little football done.

Also, his body shape means he needs to be training. He can't get away with a smaller training load like some others guys could.
McDaid is the same. He missed almost the entire club season - only played their last relegation match.
I imagine that has had a part to play in his stuttering form.

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Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Cavanagh was dead right too and Brolly a tube for thinking he wouldnt have done the same in thst situation. Sure you'd be raging if they didn't do it.

That may all be true. So what?

That the rules indulge and basically encourage this cynical and unsporting behaviour and attitude is a sad indictment of our sport.

Its a pathetic way to win a game and it needs to be stamped out. Leaving aside the personal stuff aimed at Cavanagh, Brolly was correct in raising it. It should be raised some more.

Cynicism is always there, it just takes different forms throughout the years. Meath players used to jump on the opposition players heads until they outlawed that.

It's up to the rule makers to put proper deterrents in place. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Players are going to do whatever it takes.

The black card will act as a deterrent right now until the closing stages of a game when the punishment is not sufficient enough.

Bringing a professional foul offence into it like association football is probably the best approach but that requires an awful lot of discretion from referees and I'd have absolutely no confidence in the competence of GAA referees to put such major gamechanging decisions in their control.

Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2020, 08:44:53 AM
Mayo have reached all ireland semi final every year James Horan in charge.

Surprisingly some still underrate Horan. I always wonder where would Mayo have gone and where would they be now if he didn't take over in 2011 and return after the Newbridge or no where match.

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What was Comer like pre covid Galway lads ? That ankle injury really messed up 2019 for him . Miles off the pace yesterday as expected , 3 weeks post significant hamstring injury.

He hasn't really had a run free from injury in probably 2 years now. The ankle injury was 2 years ago this Christmas. Was misdiagnosed and lingered for a year. Played some league football during the spring and was working his way back and got injured during the club championship I think. Wasn't due to play against Mayo in the league but they started him and he did his hamstring after 3 minutes. A pale shadow of himself at the moment but obviously a major weapon if they can get him fully fit and training regularly again as his ball work has really suffered with little football done.

Also, his body shape means he needs to be training. He can't get away with a smaller training load like some others guys could.
McDaid is the same. He missed almost the entire club season - only played their last relegation match.
I imagine that has had a part to play in his stuttering form.

For Comer to be at his best next summer he really needs to stay injury free for the next 6 months, between club and county McDaid probably hasn't played more than 20 games in the last 3 years. He needs an injury free run with a good run of games to start looking like the player he was before he went to Australia.

On a positive note Power should start all the league games and Galway can hopefully make proper inroads on kickouts.

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What was Comer like pre covid Galway lads ? That ankle injury really messed up 2019 for him . Miles off the pace yesterday as expected , 3 weeks post significant hamstring injury.

He hasn't really had a run free from injury in probably 2 years now. The ankle injury was 2 years ago this Christmas. Was misdiagnosed and lingered for a year. Played some league football during the spring and was working his way back and got injured during the club championship I think. Wasn't due to play against Mayo in the league but they started him and he did his hamstring after 3 minutes. A pale shadow of himself at the moment but obviously a major weapon if they can get him fully fit and training regularly again as his ball work has really suffered with little football done.

Also, his body shape means he needs to be training. He can't get away with a smaller training load like some others guys could.
McDaid is the same. He missed almost the entire club season - only played their last relegation match.
I imagine that has had a part to play in his stuttering form.

For Comer to be at his best next summer he really needs to stay injury free for the next 6 months, between club and county McDaid probably hasn't played more than 20 games in the last 3 years. He needs an injury free run with a good run of games to start looking like the player he was before he went to Australia.

On a positive note Power should start all the league games and Galway can hopefully make proper inroads on kickouts.

Agreed. I'm probably being unfair to McDaid. He was effectively injured for the whole summer. Only just played his clubs final game which was a relegation play off. If he can get an injury free run hopefully he gets his mojo back. Ditto with Damo as you say.

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What was Comer like pre covid Galway lads ? That ankle injury really messed up 2019 for him . Miles off the pace yesterday as expected , 3 weeks post significant hamstring injury.

He hasn't really had a run free from injury in probably 2 years now. The ankle injury was 2 years ago this Christmas. Was misdiagnosed and lingered for a year. Played some league football during the spring and was working his way back and got injured during the club championship I think. Wasn't due to play against Mayo in the league but they started him and he did his hamstring after 3 minutes. A pale shadow of himself at the moment but obviously a major weapon if they can get him fully fit and training regularly again as his ball work has really suffered with little football done.

Also, his body shape means he needs to be training. He can't get away with a smaller training load like some others guys could.
McDaid is the same. He missed almost the entire club season - only played their last relegation match.
I imagine that has had a part to play in his stuttering form.

For Comer to be at his best next summer he really needs to stay injury free for the next 6 months, between club and county McDaid probably hasn't played more than 20 games in the last 3 years. He needs an injury free run with a good run of games to start looking like the player he was before he went to Australia.

On a positive note Power should start all the league games and Galway can hopefully make proper inroads on kickouts.

Yes, until he makes a mistake and gets dropped for the next in-form man. That was a good save in the second half but I think he lucked it a bit with COC's first half shot, appeared to be half turning away from it. I think all our keepers are of a muchness

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Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Sean Cavanagh got the full nine years because of Joe Brolly's emotional reaction- nothing more or less. IIRC, no intercounty player came out to say he was critical of what SC had done.
IMO, that's perfectly understandable.
Players in Cavanagh'as or McLoughlin's position will react instinctively if they see the game slipping away from them. Unlike spectators they can't sit back on their arses and worry about what armchair warriors are thinking.

Yeah, they'll all do it, no matter which county it is, but is that the way it should be?

If someone is clean through and gets taken out, it should be a penalty in addition to a straight red (and all the extras that brings). The punishment should fit the crime instead of the current cop out. This "taking one for the team" bullshit might end.

Surely not a penalty if the offence is outside the box though ?
Happy enough to see McLaughlin scythe Kelly down personally , I remember Meehan scoring a goal into that end in Connacht 2009 final to level things up and had 2 of our lads had chance to take him down and went the honourable route instead .

Why not?

It might remove the urgency to just hack the player out of it just outside the box, instead of actually trying to close him off and get a tackle in.

Why not?
Because the devil is in the details.
What both SK and Eoin Mac did was clear enough. What they did could be classed as straightforward cynical foul, designed to prevent the opposition scoring and maybe the award of a penalty in such cases would be appropriate.
Go back to the '17 (?) final.. Dublin were awarded a 40 methre free in the closing minutes.. The stakes could not have been higher. Then Lee Keegan tried to put Dean Rock off as he went to take the free. Rock didn't miss but the tsunamii of shite that swept social media was hard to stomach.
In the same game, Con O'Callaghan ran in and booted the ball off the tee and into the crowd as David Clarke prepared to restart. Several other Dublin players began pulling and dragging the opposition players to prevent Mayo getting the ball downfield.
How many penalties should/ could have been given in the manic last 5 minutes?
THe purpose of all those acts of "unsporting" behaviouir was no different to what SK and Eion Mac did.
It was noticeable that neither Dublin or Mayo players and officials went public on the shenanigans in any form. Cynical fouling is part and parcel of the modern game and whale scything a player down as he bears down on goal can be penalised easily enough, it's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

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Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Will RTE focus on that bit of outright cynicism from Mayo....hmm.....

nice boys win nothing.

Absolutley....however Sean Cavanagh endured a terrible time over his drag down, when prevening a goal...manhood questioned, analysed to death on RTE etc, tons of media coverage

Just wondering if Mayo will get the same treatment...or if it's all ok as it's not a Tyrone player

Sean Cavanagh got the full nine years because of Joe Brolly's emotional reaction- nothing more or less. IIRC, no intercounty player came out to say he was critical of what SC had done.
IMO, that's perfectly understandable.
Players in Cavanagh'as or McLoughlin's position will react instinctively if they see the game slipping away from them. Unlike spectators they can't sit back on their arses and worry about what armchair warriors are thinking.

Yeah, they'll all do it, no matter which county it is, but is that the way it should be?

If someone is clean through and gets taken out, it should be a penalty in addition to a straight red (and all the extras that brings). The punishment should fit the crime instead of the current cop out. This "taking one for the team" bullshit might end.

Surely not a penalty if the offence is outside the box though ?
Happy enough to see McLaughlin scythe Kelly down personally , I remember Meehan scoring a goal into that end in Connacht 2009 final to level things up and had 2 of our lads had chance to take him down and went the honourable route instead .

Why not?

It might remove the urgency to just hack the player out of it just outside the box, instead of actually trying to close him off and get a tackle in.

Why not?
Because the devil is in the details.
What both SK and Eoin Mac did was clear enough. What they did could be classed as straightforward cynical foul, designed to prevent the opposition scoring and maybe the award of a penalty in such cases would be appropriate.
Go back to the '17 (?) final.. Dublin were awarded a 40 methre free in the closing minutes.. The stakes could not have been higher. Then Lee Keegan tried to put Dean Rock off as he went to take the free. Rock didn't miss but the tsunamii of shite that swept social media was hard to stomach.
In the same game, Con O'Callaghan ran in and booted the ball off the tee and into the crowd as David Clarke prepared to restart. Several other Dublin players began pulling and dragging the opposition players to prevent Mayo getting the ball downfield.
How many penalties should/ could have been given in the manic last 5 minutes?
THe purpose of all those acts of "unsporting" behaviouir was no different to what SK and Eion Mac did.
It was noticeable that neither Dublin or Mayo players and officials went public on the shenanigans in any form. Cynical fouling is part and parcel of the modern game and whale scything a player down as he bears down on goal can be penalised easily enough, it's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

It's all so true Lar. I was fit to be tied watching Mayo trying to lose that game the last day - but of course they weren't trying to lose it. I gave myself a good talking to and came to my senses. We would have been over the moon about any type of Connacht win back in the lean days.
I would look at the McLaughlin foul maybe a bit differently than most. My take is thank God he was on pitch and the pace to get there. Like Stephen Coen could never get there.
There's a lot of stuff out there about Joyce and sour grapes. He's entitled to be bitter. Galway had a great opportunity there. He's not correct about all the ref. decisions but I can understand why he is sour.
For me, the closeness of the game was down to Mayo not being clinical and at it. That's not Joyce's concern and he is entitled to be devastated. For all Walsh's brilliance, Joyce will have expected him to manage that end game better too. I think, deep down, that really annoys him.

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 16, 2020, 03:35:29 PM
Surprisingly some still underrate Horan. I always wonder where would Mayo have gone and where would they be now if he didn't take over in 2011 and return after the Newbridge or no where match.

They came closer to winning the AI with Rochford in charge. None of Horan's teams ever looked likely to go the distance to me.

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Surprisingly some still underrate Horan. I always wonder where would Mayo have gone and where would they be now if he didn't take over in 2011 and return after the Newbridge or no where match.

They came closer to winning the AI with Rochford in charge. None of Horan's teams ever looked likely to go the distance to me.

Mayo was at their most consistent in 2013/14 under Horan and arguably would have won the 2014 AI if they had got over Kerry.

Rochford took over a side built by Horan with few and any new players introduced to the panel, he couldn't win a Connacht title and was lucky to win a number of qualifier games, his final game was a championship knock out by Kildare, the earliest Mayo had made their exit from the championship since 2010.

Those are some nice cherry-picked statistics. All I'm saying is that from a Dublin perspective, Rochford's Mayo came far closer to upsetting our apple cart than Horan's did. You can't refute that.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on November 17, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
Those are some nice cherry-picked statistics. All I'm saying is that from a Dublin perspective, Rochford's Mayo came far closer to upsetting our apple cart than Horan's did. You can't refute that.

Also can't refute the fact that Mayo are where they are right now and may never have got to the level they got 2011 to 2017 without the groundwork under Horan whom in his own words made them consistency competitive.

2013 was mayo's best chance of winning an all ireland in the last decade, in my opinion. they were the best team in the country that year and horan cost them on the line.

rochford was shrewd though and got match ups very good.

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honestly i felt walsh was the motm. he had a bit of a nightmare with the frees at the end, but i felt he otherwise had a great game. he is the stand out quality footballer on that galway team in my opinion.

on the ref, the ridiculous call of the day was giving a yellow to durcan for a totally fair shoulder. i swear to god, tough fair shoulders are part of the game. if the fella falls on the ground, then he falls on the ground. that doesn't make it a foul.

You do have to have at least one foot on ground for it to be a fair shoulder. Definitely looks like both feet off ground. Maybe not a yellow, but a free.

One foot was on the ground and both going for the ball , fair shoulder per rule book

Quote from: WhoDat on November 17, 2020, 07:26:14 PM
2013 was mayo's best chance of winning an all ireland in the last decade, in my opinion. they were the best team in the country that year and horan cost them on the line.

rochford was shrewd though and got match ups very good.

Was 2013 the year where Dublin played the last 6/7 minutes with effectively 13 men? Think they had used all the subs and O'Carroll had probably been concussed and O'Gara was limping about with a torn hamstring?

Quote from: WhoDat on November 17, 2020, 07:26:14 PM
2013 was mayo's best chance of winning an all ireland in the last decade, in my opinion. they were the best team in the country that year and horan cost them on the line.

rochford was shrewd though and got match ups very good.

2016 drawn All-Ireland final was IMO. Dublin produced probably their worst ever performance in a final scoring only 0-9, 0-6 from play.

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Quote from: WhoDat on November 17, 2020, 07:26:14 PM
2013 was mayo's best chance of winning an all ireland in the last decade, in my opinion. they were the best team in the country that year and horan cost them on the line.

rochford was shrewd though and got match ups very good.

Was 2013 the year where Dublin played the last 6/7 minutes with effectively 13 men? Think they had used all the subs and O'Carroll had probably been concussed and O'Gara was limping about with a torn hamstring?

That was 2013 alright and that was Dublin's most comfortable All Ireland final against Mayo. Went down to 14 with 20 min left and O'Gara tore his hamstring and couldn't move from corner forward. Rory O'Carroll then got concussed and played the last 10 minutes with 13 fit players on the pitch. Paul Flynn had to play FB when ROC got injured. That was the only reason Mayo got back to within a point that day and even then it was a free from the last kick of the game to bring the gap down to a point

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honestly i felt walsh was the motm. he had a bit of a nightmare with the frees at the end, but i felt he otherwise had a great game. he is the stand out quality footballer on that galway team in my opinion.

on the ref, the ridiculous call of the day was giving a yellow to durcan for a totally fair shoulder. i swear to god, tough fair shoulders are part of the game. if the fella falls on the ground, then he falls on the ground. that doesn't make it a foul.

You do have to have at least one foot on ground for it to be a fair shoulder. Definitely looks like both feet off ground. Maybe not a yellow, but a free.

One foot was on the ground and both going for the ball , fair shoulder per rule book

O'Donnell wasn't in possession of the ball which makes it a foul in this instance. The only way you can shoulder an opponent without the ball is when there both moving in the direction of the ball to play it.

Why did your guy score a point at the end should have went for goal you see that a lot in gaa players scared to go for goal when the really need one.

Should have GONE ffs!!!

Very interesting insight from Kevin McStay in the Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-croke-park-still-a-huge-advantage-to-dublin-1.4410744
Now, Mayo are terrific at generating those dispossessions through work rate and athleticism. But my feeling is they are still not accurate enough in front of goal. It is Mayo's Achilles heel. Against Galway, Mayo had 38 attacks and 29 shots and only 14 scores. That is a 48 percent conversion rate. So every time they shoot a score, they will, on average, miss on their next. Profligate shooting is a very old problem in Mayo's football tradition. It is time to figure out why that is.
My theory is that in Mayo we don't respect possession enough. Why? Because a lot of Mayo teams are populated by centre fielders - big strong, men who are raised in the belief that they can and will win the next ball. It leads to the notion among the forwards that: ah, we can get another chance easily enough.
Go back to Willie Joe Padden or Liam McHale and TJ Kilgallon and you get a picture of the proto-type Mayo midfielder: born ball-winners who will serve up a feast of possession for their forwards.
But that is a dangerous notion in the modern game. Because you won't get the ball back on the kick out. Galway illustrated that for Mayo on Sunday

Quote from: seafoid on November 18, 2020, 08:57:00 AM
Very interesting insight from Kevin McStay in the Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-croke-park-still-a-huge-advantage-to-dublin-1.4410744
Now, Mayo are terrific at generating those dispossessions through work rate and athleticism. But my feeling is they are still not accurate enough in front of goal. It is Mayo's Achilles heel. Against Galway, Mayo had 38 attacks and 29 shots and only 14 scores. That is a 48 percent conversion rate. So every time they shoot a score, they will, on average, miss on their next. Profligate shooting is a very old problem in Mayo's football tradition. It is time to figure out why that is.
My theory is that in Mayo we don't respect possession enough. Why? Because a lot of Mayo teams are populated by centre fielders - big strong, men who are raised in the belief that they can and will win the next ball. It leads to the notion among the forwards that: ah, we can get another chance easily enough.
Go back to Willie Joe Padden or Liam McHale and TJ Kilgallon and you get a picture of the proto-type Mayo midfielder: born ball-winners who will serve up a feast of possession for their forwards.
But that is a dangerous notion in the modern game. Because you won't get the ball back on the kick out. Galway illustrated that for Mayo on Sunday

Interesting insight?!!

More like a load of nonsense.

Mayo forwards would better at taking points if their midfield was shite  ;D ;D ;D ;D

"Let's pick a couple of useless lads in the middle, so the forwards won't get the notion that they don't have kick the ball over the bar"   ::)

Mayo pundits are genuinely the worst in the land.

Don't be worrying about little old mayo,  I've never in my life seen people get worked up as much about anything as dubs do about mayo , honestly all over the aul internetz you'll find it,  forums,blogs ,social media , yer friggin obsessed . I wish ye would find another interest I find it quite disturbing tbh , enjoy your wonderful team and all its success which looks like continuing for the next 100 years.

Quote from: WhoDat on November 17, 2020, 07:26:14 PM
2013 was mayo's best chance of winning an all ireland in the last decade, in my opinion. they were the best team in the country that year and horan cost them on the line.

rochford was shrewd though and got match ups very good.

2014 by far. Patently the better team than Kerry; should have beaten them the first day only for they neglected to mark Star. Again in the replay, everything that could go wrong did. Players colliding and taking themselves out of it. Ref giving everything to Kerry. Not letting Hennelly take long distance kicks, 45s just falling short, all as far as I can remember. They would have roared through Donegal in the final IMHO.

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Quote from: WhoDat on November 17, 2020, 07:26:14 PM
2013 was mayo's best chance of winning an all ireland in the last decade, in my opinion. they were the best team in the country that year and horan cost them on the line.

rochford was shrewd though and got match ups very good.

2014 by far. Patently the better team than Kerry; should have beaten them the first day only for they neglected to mark Star. Again in the replay, everything that could go wrong did. Players colliding and taking themselves out of it. Ref giving everything to Kerry. Not letting Hennelly take long distance kicks, 45s just falling short, all as far as I can remember. They would have roared through Donegal in the final IMHO.

Donegal v Mayo in 2014 would have been a very interesting one.

I think Donegal suffered in the final going in as favourites. I don't know whether it was complacency that the AI was won after beating Dublin, Kerry's cynicism or whether they their training too hard in the build up but their performance was just so flat and leggy on the day.

Mayo were clearly the better team both days against Kerry but contrived to lose it through a combination of wastefulness, jitters and terrible refereeing calls.

But I think the dynamic changes massively if Mayo win that game. Mayo absolutely trounced Donegal the year before, the scoreline didn't given a fair reflection on how much better they were over Kerry. So in that dynamic Mayo probably come in as favourties? Maybe Donegal are still favourites because they beat Dublin. Whatever way I think it's a much more evenly perceived final than it was with Kerry - Donegal were strong favourites for that and I think it weighed on them. Mayo have played so many All Ireland finals in the past 20-30 years but have they ever been outright favourites for one? In the majority of them they would have been underdogs and significantly so.

I would have fancied Donegal myself in that regard. I think they were really motoring that year. Ryan McHugh and MacNiallais had really exploded onto the scene that year and reenergised Donegal.

Quote from: larryin89 on November 18, 2020, 01:24:52 PM
Don't be worrying about little old mayo,  I've never in my life seen people get worked up as much about anything as dubs do about mayo , honestly all over the aul internetz you'll find it,  forums,blogs ,social media , yer friggin obsessed . I wish ye would find another interest I find it quite disturbing tbh , enjoy your wonderful team and all its success which looks like continuing for the next 100 years.

Wouldn't worry about it. Poster above your post has 15 posts in 2020, 9 of which are about Mayo and 1 about Dublin!

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Quote from: larryin89 on November 18, 2020, 01:24:52 PM
Don't be worrying about little old mayo,  I've never in my life seen people get worked up as much about anything as dubs do about mayo , honestly all over the aul internetz you'll find it,  forums,blogs ,social media , yer friggin obsessed . I wish ye would find another interest I find it quite disturbing tbh , enjoy your wonderful team and all its success which looks like continuing for the next 100 years.

Wouldn't worry about it. Poster above your post has 15 posts in 2020, 9 of which are about Mayo and 1 about Dublin!

Bedad, you must be having one real sloooow day if you can bother your posterior to take note of anything that laitcheko has to say.  ;D

QuoteI've never in my life seen people get worked up as much about anything as dubs do about mayo ,

It's because they are afraid of us this year, especially with Kerry gone. They wouldn't have minded losing to Kerry.

This year with no home crowd to urge them on and with Croker effectively neutral will be a truer reflection of how good Dublin are.

Unless and until they win the AI this year all the others will have a * beside them due to home advantage, biased media coverage, biased "game days", biased on field half time interviews, the "Artane" band, the hill, the king of the hill etc....

Just seen some of the stats from the match, Mayo scored 0-11 out of their 14 points from Galway turnovers although the majority of them were Galway giving it away under no pressure whilst Galway only scored 0-4 points from Mayo's turnovers. I can't remember a close match with this stat so different, shows how bad Galway were during that 1st half in possession and also how naive they were. Horan and Mayo often get labelled with naivety but its clear they were more the streetwise team. Galway did the more difficult part of winning primary possession against the wind and mostly in good positions in the middle of the pitch.

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2013 was mayo's best chance of winning an all ireland in the last decade, in my opinion. they were the best team in the country that year and horan cost them on the line.

rochford was shrewd though and got match ups very good.

Was 2013 the year where Dublin played the last 6/7 minutes with effectively 13 men? Think they had used all the subs and O'Carroll had probably been concussed and O'Gara was limping about with a torn hamstring?

That was 2013 alright and that was Dublin's most comfortable All Ireland final against Mayo. Went down to 14 with 20 min left and O'Gara tore his hamstring and couldn't move from corner forward. Rory O'Carroll then got concussed and played the last 10 minutes with 13 fit players on the pitch. Paul Flynn had to play FB when ROC got injured. That was the only reason Mayo got back to within a point that day and even then it was a free from the last kick of the game to bring the gap down to a point

Yes, it just goes to show you how far ahead Dublin really are/were. I'd say there will never be a team as good as them again. But the present team are as good if not better. And the next team will be as good.