Brexit.

[Rossfan]

Johnston is also an egotistical ballbag so hopefully their ego's mean they split the vote but unfortunately that t**ser cummings will ensure all brexiteer votes will be maximised.

Labour and the Lib Dems and the SNP have to do likewise in a GE. Come back, form a government, get a soft Brexit deal

Latest opinion polls have SNP taking 51 seats in Scotland.
All the 13 Scottish Conservative MPs supported Bozo in the Votes so will do well to get 3 seats.

[magpie seanie]

If Farage doesn't get into bed with the Tories in the GE then anything is really possible tbh, it certainly wont be a normal GE. Farage is as much an egotistical narcissist as the rest of them so he'll very likely not do a deal with them.

There was an interesting comment made by Moggies sister on Newsnight last night.

she said that the Brexit party which she's a member of, would not enter into an election pact with the Tories unless they stated that a No Deal Brexit was their main goal.

If Boris actually comes out and says he wants a No Deal Brexit then I think he's a goner and won't win the GE.

He needs to keep the illusion up that he's wanting a deal to keep a lot of the electorate onside.

In all honestly does anyone think there is anything other than a no deal Brexit on Boris's mind? It's absolutely ridiculous to think or suggest otherwise. He was put in by the Tories to do one thing and one thing only. By any and all means possible.

[yellowcard]

The solution is already here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-44054594

Border between norway and Sweden Is technology based. Over 1300 lorries pass through it a day without any issues. Waiting time is 20 minutes. People are hell bent on finding faults instead of looking at what the EU already has in place with other countries.

Ugh.

How long do you think it'd be before the dissidents decided to "free Ireland" by destroying the number plate recognition cameras?
Or attacking the customs posts there would need to be on the main routes?

It wouldn't even take dissidents, the people living close to the border areas would pull them down themselves with their bare hands.

[johnnycool]

If Farage doesn't get into bed with the Tories in the GE then anything is really possible tbh, it certainly wont be a normal GE. Farage is as much an egotistical narcissist as the rest of them so he'll very likely not do a deal with them.

There was an interesting comment made by Moggies sister on Newsnight last night.

she said that the Brexit party which she's a member of, would not enter into an election pact with the Tories unless they stated that a No Deal Brexit was their main goal.

If Boris actually comes out and says he wants a No Deal Brexit then I think he's a goner and won't win the GE.

He needs to keep the illusion up that he's wanting a deal to keep a lot of the electorate onside.

In all honestly does anyone think there is anything other than a no deal Brexit on Boris's mind? It's absolutely ridiculous to think or suggest otherwise. He was put in by the Tories to do one thing and one thing only. By any and all means possible.

Daniel Donaldson was still churning out the Tory mantra that Boris wants a deal this morning, so he either believes it or is still sniffing too many ar**h*l*s in Westminster.

[Hound]

My theory. Boris has no majority anymore and wants an election, preferably with Brexit sorted. DUP now no use to him. Surely the sensible thing is go for NI only backstop put that through parliament then when he's done that and can leave with a deal by 31 October, go for election

NI only backstop, but with a timelimit, say 5 years, is the obvious answer that everyone would eventually sign up to. (Even DUP could claim that as a win if they get a timelimit imposed). The 5 years (extendable if all sides agree) would give opportunity to do a new trade deal between EU and UK, such that no border would be required on our island.

There can't be a time limit on the backstop. It ceases to perform its (very necessary) purpose if there is. 'Even DUP....' nothing - they'd rip your hand off for it! And are on record as saying so.

Of course there can be a timelimit.

Insisting on a timelimit for the backstop means there ends up being no backstop at all (i.e. No Deal).

5 years gives time to move away from political nonsense and deal with social and commercial interests where nobody actually wants a border so a proper deal can be done.

There is no solution, technical or otherwise, that allows a free flowing border but still maintains checks on the goods and people crossing it.  It just doesn't and won't exist.

Everyone knows this and it's the main reason why the EU insist on the backstop and the Brits are so against it.

If we time limit the backstop all we'll get is the Brits sticking the border back up again in 5 years time, when the noise has died down and nobody is really looking any more.

A nonsense idea.

Think you mixed up what the backstop actually is!

It's a temporary arrangement designed to prevent a hard border and customs checks. When a trade agreement is reached between the EU and UK, the backstop ends (on the basis that the free movement of goods between north and south will form part of the trade agreement).

There is no proposal to stop people moving across the border. The Common Travel Area will remain no matter what happens re Brexit (UK and Ireland governments have already signed up to that).

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As I read earlier . . . Johnson has told his opponents Brexit is happening on Oct 31st do or die. . . they've decided to let him die!!

[Franko]

My theory. Boris has no majority anymore and wants an election, preferably with Brexit sorted. DUP now no use to him. Surely the sensible thing is go for NI only backstop put that through parliament then when he's done that and can leave with a deal by 31 October, go for election

NI only backstop, but with a timelimit, say 5 years, is the obvious answer that everyone would eventually sign up to. (Even DUP could claim that as a win if they get a timelimit imposed). The 5 years (extendable if all sides agree) would give opportunity to do a new trade deal between EU and UK, such that no border would be required on our island.

There can't be a time limit on the backstop. It ceases to perform its (very necessary) purpose if there is. 'Even DUP....' nothing - they'd rip your hand off for it! And are on record as saying so.

Of course there can be a timelimit.

Insisting on a timelimit for the backstop means there ends up being no backstop at all (i.e. No Deal).

5 years gives time to move away from political nonsense and deal with social and commercial interests where nobody actually wants a border so a proper deal can be done.

There is no solution, technical or otherwise, that allows a free flowing border but still maintains checks on the goods and people crossing it.  It just doesn't and won't exist.

Everyone knows this and it's the main reason why the EU insist on the backstop and the Brits are so against it.

If we time limit the backstop all we'll get is the Brits sticking the border back up again in 5 years time, when the noise has died down and nobody is really looking any more.

A nonsense idea.

Think you mixed up what the backstop actually is!

It's a temporary arrangement designed to prevent a hard border and customs checks. When a trade agreement is reached between the EU and UK, the backstop ends (on the basis that the free movement of goods between north and south will form part of the trade agreement).

There is no proposal to stop people moving across the border. The Common Travel Area will remain no matter what happens re Brexit (UK and Ireland governments have already signed up to that).

I know perfectly well what the backstop is.

The bit in bold is where your argument falls down.

The EU needs to maintain the integrity of the single market and the Brits are shit scared of brown skinned people slipping into the country via the back door.

How do you reckon that this unicorn free trade deal that the the EU and Brits will do will deal with that?  Because no matter how much Gove and Arlene and Sammy tell you, there is no technical solution.

The duplicitous and treacherous behaviour of Boris and Co over the last few days should have made it clear (if it wasn't already) that these people will only do something if they are absolutely forced and have no issue whatsoever with reneging on something that they have previously agreed.

NEVER trust a Tory.  The EU know it.

[t_mac]

Looks like the SNP are going fcuk it up and vote for an election on 15th. Can't understand their thinking why not wait.

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Looks like the SNP are going fcuk it up and vote for an election on 15th. Can't understand their thinking why not wait.

Word is they've maybe changed their tune on that one as well and that No Deal has to be completely off the table before they vote for an election And that "may well" mean Parliament is suspended next week without an election being called.

[Rossfan]

Don't 417 or so have to vote for an election before it can be held?
Bozos and DUPUDA seem to have 299 between them.
Labour can hold ut up as long as they wish then.

[t_mac]

Don't 417 or so have to vote for an election before it can be held?
Bozos and DUPUDA seem to have 299 between them.
Labour can hold ut up as long as they wish then.

No BoJo can introduce a bill that needs a simple majority hence SNP need to be on board with Luke Skywalker- sorry the rebel alliance.

[t_mac]

Bojo just said he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension. All opposition parties should hold firm and make him.

[bennydorano]

Cummins starting to get some well merited stick now, just watched an evisceration of him on Sky news by Oborne from the Mail and another former Boris advisor. Outside the Tory / Brexit echo chamber its starting to come undone.

[Solo_run]

Does that Dr Nicholl come across as very difficult to understand or am I being an idiot? Not saying he isn't right in what he is saying but there is a lot of bluster.

He said earlier on on sky that a no deal will be catastrophic for NHS and that means people will come to harm may die - or to that effect

Just asked the same questions  just said patients will come to harm .

[omaghjoe]

Heres another thought.... BoJos constituency Uxbridge and South Ruislip doesnt look to be the safest seat in the world especially with Brexit lingering the Tories would be susceptible to a no deal coalition.

Tho I wouldnt imagine hed risk running in that seat would he? prob just jump ship to the Suffolk countryside?