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The idea that disciplinary authorities could sit on evidence but only actual act on it if an entirely different player appeals is crazy. I am assuming that isn't true. If it is true it's shameful.

I don't want spurious appeals. If Armagh are appealing all 3 then I have to admit that one of them is spurious and wrong.

Nor should we prevent genuine appeals. I have no idea what 2 of the armagh players did and if they believe themselves to be innocent they are entitled to test the evidence against them.

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I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time?  I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.

I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible.  My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.

Who is the scorer in chief you lost?

So if Nugent is score in chief is Campbell the vice captain?

No. Try again

A lot will depend on whether Donegal can get a pair of shorts to fit McBrearty

So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??.  But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him!  Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!

Yeah Soupy seems unfortunate and its a bit bizarre that only two from Donegal. Probably little chance of being successful with any appeal as HQ are looking to clamp down on melees this year.

I think you have to separate the footage you have seen from the totality of what happened. The officials stood back watched which they seem to be under instruction to do and I think it's a wise strategy.

Just because we can't identify guilt on the footage doesn't mean something didn't happen that the officials saw. Likewise those who started the whole thing off are unlikely to have been caught be officials and will likely escape punishment

tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.

Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.

Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game

Name the guilty players then?

I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from

OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.

Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you

https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19

21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.

32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.

40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.

Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.

Laughable stuff.

You claim Tyrone have been the victim of trial by media many times. Asked to name some of those times and you come up with exactly nil. Is it possible that your argument didn't stand up to even your own scrutiny?

Secondly you claimed that armagh got off lightly in the Armagh Vs Tyrone match and when asked for examples you produce footage from a completely different game. And don't pretend you thought it was the Donegal game I was referring to as
A) it was your statement about the Tyrone game I was quoting and
B) Armagh can hardly got off lightly when the punishments from the Donegal haven't even been handed out yet.

Again it looks like you have no faith in your own argument

tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.

Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.

Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game

Name the guilty players then?

I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from

There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.

Which players are you talking about?

A nothing game and an action packed weekend. I think they can be forgiven for not dwelling on the game.

The reference to players having a case to answer if you slow the footage down was just trotted out and then left hanging. If there is clear footage just bloody show it.

Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.

Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.

The major difference between the incidents was that GAA upheld the red cards given to Tyrone and Armagh players by the referee but nothing else was done about the incident.

In this game I don't think any cards were given out at the end.  However, suspensions may come of it if they were able to single out players.

In my opinion it was nowhere near more violent.

The difference you point out is potentially important.

I wasn't at the match and haven't seen it. So I have no idea who is innocent and who is guilty. If there is guilt on any side I hope they are punished. If we are correctly punished I hope we take our medicine instead of any hopeless or Loganesque technical loophole appeal.

But these are all ifs. At this stage I have seen no guilt. Most others haven't either but it hasn't stopped assholes being assholes.

Am I correct in saying that the ref couldn't have issued cards as the game was over? In which case neither team can take any comfort from the fact that cards were not issued?

A new rule passed 4 weeks ago at Congress now  enables the ref to give cards before  the throw in , HT , and  after the game !

With effect from when?

Surely we have all seen evidence that supports a lot of Gough's decisions were correct.

I haven't seen any evidence that any of the red cards issued at the Athletics ground were wrong.

Teams have to learn to behave and if not, take their medicine. That includes us, if we have indeed transgressed

Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.

Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.

The major difference between the incidents was that GAA upheld the red cards given to Tyrone and Armagh players by the referee but nothing else was done about the incident.

In this game I don't think any cards were given out at the end.  However, suspensions may come of it if they were able to single out players.

In my opinion it was nowhere near more violent.

The difference you point out is potentially important.

I wasn't at the match and haven't seen it. So I have no idea who is innocent and who is guilty. If there is guilt on any side I hope they are punished. If we are correctly punished I hope we take our medicine instead of any hopeless or Loganesque technical loophole appeal.

But these are all ifs. At this stage I have seen no guilt. Most others haven't either but it hasn't stopped assholes being assholes.

Am I correct in saying that the ref couldn't have issued cards as the game was over? In which case neither team can take any comfort from the fact that cards were not issued?

Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.

It's not about TG4 who  imo do a brilliant service covering the GAA
All the div 1  and some div 2 games (not just the televised live and deferred ones), are being captured on camera live with commentary and are fed into  RTE studios live, what more does it take to stream out these games on GAAGO?
Any other sports association with two morsels of common sense can manage to send out live streams of all their premier games. Even the LOI can manage that to a professional standard and make money. AFAIR the LOI only started streaming games a few seasons ago,  beginning with an amateurish operation.
GAAGO are not doing anything more than streaming some of the games which are already being covered by the tv stations.
They could stream all those games and for other games not being covered by TG4/RTE/Sky,  GAAGO could hire a broadcast unit, a minimalist outfit - 4 people, 2 cameras, computer hardware, HD/SD standard  and stream those games. And afterwards have the games stored in the clouds  for a minimum amount of time. Even I who never pays for anything  would consider subscribing to that.

What would the attendance at those LOI matches be like?

I am all for better quality highlights programmes or deferred coverage being available but supporting attendance has a part to play.

I don't know when the TG4 contract ends but none of the things you mention are a runner in advance of that.

Shamrock Rovers probably get average 3/4k  attendance for games. The rest would be around 2k. Cork City used to get 5k at games when in Premier Division.

With those sort of numbers you can see why LOI want/need to access a wider audience. GAA have much bigger league attendances.

Not sure the LOI example is one for GAA to follow

Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.

It's not about TG4 who  imo do a brilliant service covering the GAA
All the div 1  and some div 2 games (not just the televised live and deferred ones), are being captured on camera live with commentary and are fed into  RTE studios live, what more does it take to stream out these games on GAAGO?
Any other sports association with two morsels of common sense can manage to send out live streams of all their premier games. Even the LOI can manage that to a professional standard and make money. AFAIR the LOI only started streaming games a few seasons ago,  beginning with an amateurish operation.
GAAGO are not doing anything more than streaming some of the games which are already being covered by the tv stations.
They could stream all those games and for other games not being covered by TG4/RTE/Sky,  GAAGO could hire a broadcast unit, a minimalist outfit - 4 people, 2 cameras, computer hardware, HD/SD standard  and stream those games. And afterwards have the games stored in the clouds  for a minimum amount of time. Even I who never pays for anything  would consider subscribing to that.

What would the attendance at those LOI matches be like?

I am all for better quality highlights programmes or deferred coverage being available but supporting attendance has a part to play.

I don't know when the TG4 contract ends but none of the things you mention are a runner in advance of that.

Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.

They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.

TG4 do so much with feck all! Like even this is innovative and I don't remember a Red Zone before?
I think Kildare will be relying on other results on Sunday but it would be amazing to stay up.

TG4 have been unreal in their GAA coverage over the years between club, college and National League. Absolutely fantastic coverage for the budget they're on.

They have raised the profile of these 3 without doubt then other sponsors like AIB boosted them even further.

RTÉ on a Sunday evening with the old boys club is a joke.

True, RTÉ's coverage of our national games is nothing short of disgraceful. Just on that...you wouldn't mind TG4 having their live game pundits outside in the cold given the budget they're on, but having RTÉ analysts out is terrible. Surely there's some sort of a studio room in Montrose they could use. I think the rugby analysts have a studio.

If it made commercial sense for RTE to show more do you not think they would do it? There are plenty of other calls on their limited budget other than GAA. But as for the quality of their output, I offer no defence.

Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.

They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.

Yip. They are doing a very good job. And they have the rights so no point in complaining about the other broadcasters