Conspiracy Theories

[imtommygunn]

Anyone aligning themselves with Jim Corr's views needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

[sid waddell]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-far-right-rises-its-growth-as-a-political-force-in-ireland-1.4358321

The far right always gathers pace when people are unhappy. History has shown that.

Inequality seems to me to be a real driving force

A prosperous, empathetic and relatively egalitarian society that simultaneously rewards initiative is the best way to stave off fascism, I think Ireland has done better than most in that regard over the last few decades, but at the same time we have stored up serious problems, the housing problem is a ticking time bomb ripe for exploitation by bad faith actors

Democracy isn't just a system of voting, it's a whole eco-system including the media and education, especially how history is taught, it depends on an informed populace

Sections of the media have always been bad faith actors, but that's a particular problem now, and economic changes exacerbate the situation - the business model for media organisations is collapsing, and sensationalism garners clicks, ratings and reaction, so media organisations are increasingly prone to indulging sensationalism, ie. disinformation and propaganda, for clicks, ratings and reaction

At the same time, you have a widespread distrust of the media and journalism itself, which is disastrous, because people just lump all sections of the media in together

This "RTE is the virus" stuff is crazy, though RTE certainly has its faults

A natural extension of that is the distrust of real knowledge in favour of snake oil salespeople - there are limits to the democratisation of information, because you reach a point where widespread disinformation becomes a real problem - we have certainly reached this point now

History as a subject has been roundly denigrated and since Reagan and Thatcher the whole emphasis in society is that there is no society, only individuals

This leaves the gates open for the consistent creation of division, which is also a foundation for the growth of real fascism

Look at Ireland even, everything is about the creation of division, division, division - Independent News and Media has been particularly bad for this, though it pales by comparison with UK and US media

Public v private
Urban v rural
Old v young
The denigration of those on any form of social welfare payment
The targetting of immigrants

Inequality creates confusion and anger, which are a toxic mix

Our current media environment is ripe for the pushing of confusion and anger, thus leads to people wanting easy answers and scapegoats - which is grist to the mill for fascists

There are also very few people around now who remember how fascism destroyed Europe

Folk memory of how evil flourished is a valuable thing, unfortunately it no longer exists, which means a lot of people around now don't understand the evils of fascism and how fascists always cloak themselves as something else - fascism is a con trick

Those who aim to destroy democracy can never be a legitimate part of the political eco-system

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance

We have certainly reached the stage now where there needs to be a bold and progressive re-imagining of politics internationally in a similar way to how politics was re-imagined after World War II

Sadly there are incredibly strong vested interests fighting against this, which does not bode well

[Lar Naparka]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-far-right-rises-its-growth-as-a-political-force-in-ireland-1.4358321

The far right always gathers pace when people are unhappy. History has shown that.

Ah now. How many far right movements worthy of the name have we ever had in Ireland? The Blueshirts is the only one I can think of.

Dunno about that. Are you overlooking the Catholic church and the other mainstream churches? The Legion, of Mary and Opus Dei, for instance were/are more right wing than Oliver Cromwell.

[GetOverTheBar]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-far-right-rises-its-growth-as-a-political-force-in-ireland-1.4358321

The far right always gathers pace when people are unhappy. History has shown that.

Ah now. How many far right movements worthy of the name have we ever had in Ireland? The Blueshirts is the only one I can think of.

Dunno about that. Are you overlooking the Catholic church and the other mainstream churches? The Legion, of Mary and Opus Dei, for instance were/are more right wing than Oliver Cromwell.

Threat about to derail....can, worms...everywhere.

[sid waddell]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-far-right-rises-its-growth-as-a-political-force-in-ireland-1.4358321

The far right always gathers pace when people are unhappy. History has shown that.

Ah now. How many far right movements worthy of the name have we ever had in Ireland? The Blueshirts is the only one I can think of.

Dunno about that. Are you overlooking the Catholic church and the other mainstream churches? The Legion, of Mary and Opus Dei, for instance were/are more right wing than Oliver Cromwell.

I think there are distinct similarities between the Catholic Church in this country and the far right, and the current far right in Ireland has an obvious overlap with ultra-conservative Catholic ideology, and yet the comparison doesn't quite fit

Certainly there has always been a considerable section of the Catholic Church in this country which has been sympathetic to fascism and fanatically anti-communist - that's a similarity with the far right

Catholic ideology is the reason we don't have a national public health system in this country and the reason our welfare state was always underdeveloped - the far right wants to destroy welfare states, no matter what it says

Catholicism in this country existed as a tool of social control, it preached a crushingly conservative, patriarchal conformity in which those who did not fit were ostracised and often subjected to cruel, inhuman treatment - the far right wants this back

And protection of the institution in the face of appalling wrongs was rife - the current far right, with their ludicrous claims to be anti-paedophilia, actually comes from a lineage which furiously protected paedophilia

And yet I think there are a lot of fundamentally very good people in the Catholic Church - the silent majority, as it were

But there are no good people in far right political movements

The future of the Catholic Church, and indeed all religions, lies in being a movement which genuinely champions the downtrodden in society and which preaches compassion, not dogma

The future of the Catholic Church is not people like David Quinn and Maria Steen fighting an insane right-wing culture, political and propaganda war while claiming to speak for Catholics, when they do not

[five points]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-far-right-rises-its-growth-as-a-political-force-in-ireland-1.4358321

The far right always gathers pace when people are unhappy. History has shown that.

Ah now. How many far right movements worthy of the name have we ever had in Ireland? The Blueshirts is the only one I can think of.

Dunno about that. Are you overlooking the Catholic church and the other mainstream churches? The Legion, of Mary and Opus Dei, for instance were/are more right wing than Oliver Cromwell.

The Legion of Mary was primarily a charitable organisation, the St Vincent De Paul of its day. A movement, but not very far-right. And the opposite of Cromwellian.

Opus Dei never did much in Ireland. In 1983, when Catholicism was on a crest of a wave here, its membership was estimated at only 750. https://magill.ie/archive/secrets-opus-dei#:~:text=Opus%20Dei%20first%20moved%20into,and%20the%20College%20of%20Surgeons. That's the opposite of a movement.

Keep trying.

[Rudi]

Anyone aligning themselves with Jim Corr's views needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Could be trying to get off with one of his sisters. Probably a bit of a conspiracy theory though.

[Rudi]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-far-right-rises-its-growth-as-a-political-force-in-ireland-1.4358321

The far right always gathers pace when people are unhappy. History has shown that.

Ah now. How many far right movements worthy of the name have we ever had in Ireland? The Blueshirts is the only one I can think of.

Dunno about that. Are you overlooking the Catholic church and the other mainstream churches? The Legion, of Mary and Opus Dei, for instance were/are more right wing than Oliver Cromwell.

Legion  of Mary made up of a few auld ones saying a few prayers and giving a few pound to charity. Disgusting and illogical to associate them with far right.

[Lar Naparka]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-far-right-rises-its-growth-as-a-political-force-in-ireland-1.4358321

The far right always gathers pace when people are unhappy. History has shown that.

Ah now. How many far right movements worthy of the name have we ever had in Ireland? The Blueshirts is the only one I can think of.

Dunno about that. Are you overlooking the Catholic church and the other mainstream churches? The Legion, of Mary and Opus Dei, for instance were/are more right wing than Oliver Cromwell.

Legion  of Mary made up of a few auld ones saying a few prayers and giving a few pound to charity. Disgusting and illogical to associate them with far right.

Cop yourself on. I have some knowledge of what some of "the few auld ones" got up to.  They had a say the running of parish affairs no surprise really as the parish priest was usually as intolerant as his advisors. Girls who got pregnant,often raped, were obliged to emigrate or at least leave town.
I know of some teachers who failed to get appointments because a few "auld ones" had a word with thev local parish priest.

[five points]

Cop yourself on. I have some knowledge of what some of "the few auld ones" got up to.  They had a say the running of parish affairs no surprise really as the parish priest was usually as intolerant as his advisors. Girls who got pregnant,often raped, were obliged to emigrate or at least leave town.
I know of some teachers who failed to get appointments because a few "auld ones" had a word with thev local parish priest.

My mother was in the Legion of Mary in Dublin when she was young. They spent their time bringing food to the homeless and to prostitutes on the street. Then and in later life, she'd no more fit the description you paint as the man in the moon.

[Lar Naparka]

Cop yourself on. I have some knowledge of what some of "the few auld ones" got up to.  They had a say the running of parish affairs no surprise really as the parish priest was usually as intolerant as his advisors. Girls who got pregnant,often raped, were obliged to emigrate or at least leave town.
I know of some teachers who failed to get appointments because a few "auld ones" had a word with thev local parish priest.

My mother was in the Legion of Mary in Dublin when she was young. They spent their time bringing food to the homeless and to prostitutes on the street. Then and in later life, she'd no more fit the description you paint as the man in the moon.

I appreciate what you say and I'm quite happy to accept that many legionnaires were decent, devout Christians- but not all were.
I have several cases in mind where a number of dominating individuals meddled, to put it mildly in parish affairs. On reflection, I realise that a blanket condemnation of all Legion members is unfair to probably the majority of them.

[five points]

Cop yourself on. I have some knowledge of what some of "the few auld ones" got up to.  They had a say the running of parish affairs no surprise really as the parish priest was usually as intolerant as his advisors. Girls who got pregnant,often raped, were obliged to emigrate or at least leave town.
I know of some teachers who failed to get appointments because a few "auld ones" had a word with thev local parish priest.

My mother was in the Legion of Mary in Dublin when she was young. They spent their time bringing food to the homeless and to prostitutes on the street. Then and in later life, she'd no more fit the description you paint as the man in the moon.

I appreciate what you say and I'm quite happy to accept that many legionnaires were decent, devout Christians- but not all were.
I have several cases in mind where a number of dominating individuals meddled, to put it mildly in parish affairs. On reflection, I realise that a blanket condemnation of all Legion members is unfair to probably the majority of them.

Thank you.

[GetOverTheBar]

Area 51....

So just what is going on in the Nevada Desert?

Aliens? Specialised aircraft?

[J70]

Area 51....

So just what is going on in the Nevada Desert?

Aliens? Specialised aircraft?

I think the aircraft and weapons system testing is the reasonable, logical conclusion.

[Eire90]

seems like the conspiracy theory people have won a few years ago it was only a few people that were into alternative thinking now its the whole place especially these middle age and young women in their 20s a lot of them seem very smug aswell.