China Coronavirus

[Angelo]

Hancock saying now that people will probably need to be vaccinated every 6 months. Or at least every year. 

This ain't going away. It was never meant to.

This isn't about fighting a virus. It's about selling vaccines.

Where's he said this? Can't find anything online to substantiate him or anyone else stating it as a fact.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-matt-hancock-says-latest-lockdown-will-be-the-last-but-coronavirus-jabs-might-be-needed-every-six-months-12181677

Yay more lockdowns.

I can see Franko here in 2037 arguing Lockdown #85 will be the one that finally rids us of this?

Or maybe by that stage we will have grown exhausted and seen the damage lockdowns do and just accept Covid deaths every year like we do flu?

There is going to be some egg on Franko's face in a few months time.

[Milltown Row2]

Milltown what's your take on the flu being totally eliminated?
Now take into consideration that this time every year we hear about our hospitals being overwhelmed and patients lying on beds in corridors.

Between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to Covid-19 compared to 13,600 from pneumonia/flu

We don't test for flu.

So these figures are incorrect?

[Angelo]

Milltown what's your take on the flu being totally eliminated?
Now take into consideration that this time every year we hear about our hospitals being overwhelmed and patients lying on beds in corridors.

Between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to Covid-19 compared to 13,600 from pneumonia/flu

We don't test for flu.

So these figures are incorrect?

They're not comparable.

If we tested every person who dies during the winter flu season and attribute every death who tests positive for flu as a flu death then it's absolutely logical that those death rates would increase tenfold.

If we tested every hospital admission for flu and assigned every person who tested positive for flu as a flu admission, those statistics would increase tenfold.

The metric to keep an eye on is excess death when it comes out. In a bad flu season in 2017/18 we hit 2,101 deaths in Jan 18 - we have yet to reach that no with Covid yet.

Apparently we are to believe we have no flu this year?

Imagine if the UK ran tests for 500k people every winter to see if they had the flu and assigned anyone who died who tested positive for flu as a flu death?

[imtommygunn]

Hospital cases are a much more relevant stat than case numbers. Case numbers are really more of a barometer of things to come for the hospitals.

[Rossfan]

Have the GAAboard daily Covid ROI V NI update stats dried up then?

Just for you benny
1st to 7th January incl
26 - 35,902
6 - 11,812 (equivalent c32k)
Our lot acted fast as numbers accelerated, the enforced 5 party Executive by it's very nature couldn't.

[Milltown Row2]

Milltown what's your take on the flu being totally eliminated?
Now take into consideration that this time every year we hear about our hospitals being overwhelmed and patients lying on beds in corridors.

Between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to Covid-19 compared to 13,600 from pneumonia/flu

We don't test for flu.

So these figures are incorrect?

They're not comparable.

If we tested every person who dies during the winter flu season and attribute every death who tests positive for flu as a flu death then it's absolutely logical that those death rates would increase tenfold.

If we tested every hospital admission for flu and assigned every person who tested positive for flu as a flu admission, those statistics would increase tenfold.

The metric to keep an eye on is excess death when it comes out. In a bad flu season in 2017/18 we hit 2,101 deaths in Jan 18 - we have yet to reach that no with Covid yet.

Apparently we are to believe we have no flu this year?

Imagine if the UK ran tests for 500k people every winter to see if they had the flu and assigned anyone who died who tested positive for flu as a flu death?

I've just given you figures for flu deaths, actual figures.. are people making up these figures?  We are 8 days into this so I'd give it more than 8 days to get the figures for this year

[Angelo]

Milltown what's your take on the flu being totally eliminated?
Now take into consideration that this time every year we hear about our hospitals being overwhelmed and patients lying on beds in corridors.

Between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to Covid-19 compared to 13,600 from pneumonia/flu

We don't test for flu.

So these figures are incorrect?

As I have said, they are not comparable.

We don't do tests to the extent we do for Covid. Of course there are going to be more recorded cases of Covid and more deaths contributed to Covid because of the criteria but they are simply not comparable.

The real metric we should be looking at this winter is excess deaths.

We had no problem with 50k excess deaths in 2017/18.

[Angelo]

Hospital cases are a much more relevant stat than case numbers. Case numbers are really more of a barometer of things to come for the hospitals.

Yet we can classify a hospital admission for someone who fell off a ladder and broke their hip as a Covid admission if they test positive, even if they show no signs of symptoms.

The level of misinformation being put out there is scary.

[imtommygunn]

It sure is

[Milltown Row2]

Milltown what's your take on the flu being totally eliminated?
Now take into consideration that this time every year we hear about our hospitals being overwhelmed and patients lying on beds in corridors.

Between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to Covid-19 compared to 13,600 from pneumonia/flu

We don't test for flu.

So these figures are incorrect?

As I have said, they are not comparable.

We don't do tests to the extent we do for Covid. Of course there are going to be more recorded cases of Covid and more deaths contributed to Covid because of the criteria but they are simply not comparable.

The real metric we should be looking at this winter is excess deaths.

We had no problem with 50k excess deaths in 2017/18.

Making stuff up and putting it on here doesn't make it true.. the year of 17/18 we had 22k deaths for flu.. not 50k, so going forward don't put 50k in your posts, that's tabloid shit.

The real metric we should be using is actual figures rather than sensational figures

Figures like I've given you are facts, and with the facts you can't spin it to work for you

[NAG1]

Hospital cases are a much more relevant stat than case numbers. Case numbers are really more of a barometer of things to come for the hospitals.

Yet we can classify a hospital admission for someone who fell off a ladder and broke their hip as a Covid admission if they test positive, even if they show no signs of symptoms.

The level of misinformation being put out there is scary.

You really aren't getting this whole virus and transmission thing are you? Doesn't matter what they came into the hospital with if they are positive, they pose a risk to the staff, the patients, their family and the wider community when released so they need to be tested and need to be classified.

It's not really that hard to get, please try to keep up.

[Itchy]

Went for a COVID test the other day, have to say was very impressed with how well it was organised. Within 2 mins of getting of the phone to my GP I got a text for where to go for the test with an eircode on it. Test was a little uncomfortable but over in 2 mins. Everything about the drive in was really well organised and the testers were friendly and informative. Result back in just over 24 hrs. Negative thankfully. So well done to those at least that are administering the tests in a difficult and risky environment

[Angelo]

Hospital cases are a much more relevant stat than case numbers. Case numbers are really more of a barometer of things to come for the hospitals.

Yet we can classify a hospital admission for someone who fell off a ladder and broke their hip as a Covid admission if they test positive, even if they show no signs of symptoms.

The level of misinformation being put out there is scary.

You really aren't getting this whole virus and transmission thing are you? Doesn't matter what they came into the hospital with if they are positive, they pose a risk to the staff, the patients, their family and the wider community when released so they need to be tested and need to be classified.

It's not really that hard to get, please try to keep up.

It's not me that's not getting it, it's you.

If we recorded cases and deaths for flu under the exact same criteria we do flu, the statistics regarding cases of flu and deaths would be through the roof.

Maybe if we had a daily testing capacity for flu of 500k we would find that flu admissions are through the roof.

Why are we classifying someone who has shown no sign or symptoms of flu, who was admitted to hospital because of appendicitis, falling of a ladder, food poisoning, a car accident, a slip on ice as a Covid admission because they tested positive for it

What do you think would happen if we used the same testing and reporting criteria for winter flu?

Are we expected to believe seasonal flu just fell off the planet this year?

[armaghniac]

Are we expected to believe seasonal flu just fell off the planet this year?

You tell us, you seem to be the resident expert on flu.

[Angelo]

Are we expected to believe seasonal flu just fell off the planet this year?

You tell us, you seem to be the resident expert on flu.

That looks to be the case and the gobdaws lap it up without questions.

A virus that kills people in its drove every winter just magically disappeared.

Hard to argue against winter lockdowns for flu anymore in that case? They are a must to save people's lives. Oh that's right - nobody gives a crap about those who die from flu.