Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

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Eire90


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also ira songs were song by clarke fans last night

oakleaflad

Quote from: Angelo on September 21, 2020, 08:04:58 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2020, 10:48:49 PM
Tyrone champions for Ulster this year  ;)

The Tyrone Championship has proven this year why it's the best about.

Maybe for entertainment but when loose in Ulster against the big boys, they are average.

You seem to be mistaking a club with a club championship. Would Cross, Scotstown, Ballinderry, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo etc have dominated the Tyrone club championship like they have their own in recent years?

They would in their hoop.
Slaughtneil win 3 Ulster titles in 4 years but wouldn't have won the Tyrone championship? That's laughable

Angelo

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2020, 10:48:49 PM
Tyrone champions for Ulster this year  ;)

The Tyrone Championship has proven this year why it's the best about.

I don't think Slaughtneil and Ballinderry would have had a monopoly on Tyrone Championships over the course of a decade like they did in Derry.

Once again, you seem to be conflating a club with a club championship.

Maybe for entertainment but when loose in Ulster against the big boys, they are average.

You seem to be mistaking a club with a club championship. Would Cross, Scotstown, Ballinderry, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo etc have dominated the Tyrone club championship like they have their own in recent years?

They would in their hoop.
Slaughtneil win 3 Ulster titles in 4 years but wouldn't have won the Tyrone championship? That's laughable
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Christmas Lights

Slaughtneil would no doubt have won the Tyrone championship but I still think they would have done well to dominate it for a number of years in a row.  Look, its impossible to tell, but it remains to look that the Tyrone championship is the most competitive with a number of teams capable of winning it every year.  No team has done 2 in a row in Tyrone since Carrickmore.   

Eire90

Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 21, 2020, 09:41:54 AM
Slaughtneil would no doubt have won the Tyrone championship but I still think they would have done well to dominate it for a number of years in a row.  Look, its impossible to tell, but it remains to look that the Tyrone championship is the most competitive with a number of teams capable of winning it every year.  No team has done 2 in a row in Tyrone since Carrickmore.


Probably cause its single game knockout format which i think all county championships should be if they have 16 teams

JuniorBAllstar

What a final that was, some excellent football played, I would say 99% of the county were supporting Dungannon just for the run they've had to the final and the fairy tale ending to it. The number 7 for Dungannon, McKerny I think he is?, was the best player on the pitch, most Dungannon attacks started with him and he dictated the game for them throughout.

Just want to add that the ref was absolutely brutal throughout and made some questionable calls, he blew Morgan up along the end line for too long which was never too long, Morgan had fisted the ball over the bar which if it had counted may have won Dungannon the game, not that it matters now or that they will care

sidelineball

Thought ref done well, a high intensity game and it was very enjoyable which usually means the ref handled it well enough and wasn't blowing too much. Mattie Donnelly was well shackled, really struggled to have any impact on the game. He seems to get a free pass when he is poor though, Peter Harte got an awful touch on here a few weeks ago.

Club boi

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2020, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 21, 2020, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on September 21, 2020, 12:07:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 21, 2020, 12:00:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2020, 10:48:49 PM
Tyrone champions for Ulster this year  ;)

The Tyrone Championship has proven this year why it's the best about.

Maybe for entertainment but when loose in Ulster against the big boys, they are average.

You seem to be mistaking a club with a club championship. Would Cross, Scotstown, Ballinderry, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo etc have dominated the Tyrone club championship like they have their own in recent years?

They would in their hoop.

No one is asking them to dominate, The Tyrone teams just need to work out how to do well in Ulster

The history of their involvement in Ulster is poor, which doesn't make good reading, whatever way you try and spin it

Tyrone straight knock out, 1 poor day and your gone so you must be at your peak week in week out. Takes a lot out of a team and then the celebrations that follow

In the other counties mentioned, are they also straight knock out?? Or knowing you have a "second chance" or playing poorer opposition early, you can rest your main men until later on, which puts them in peak condition and ready for the battle of Ulster Club. Tyrone teams are worn out and happy with a Tyrone title at that stage

If you win your own county 2 or 3 times in a row, and feel you no longer have stiff competition, then Ulster Club is the aim
Most Tyrone clubs see winning Tyrone as their ultimate goal, anything else a bonus

As stated, nobody has defended their Tyrone title in 15 years

PeterEli

I take back what I said about the price of the game, I would have paid it ten times over!

Fair play to the Clarke's winning the cup after 64 years, and doing it in some fashion, there's only so many times you can go to the well before it runs dry but by God do they have a deep well up on the hill of O'Neill.

Some excellent individual performances from the dungannon men, Matty Walsh had an amazing game to nulify Matty Donnelly, between Mark McKearney and the Jones brothers they covered every blade of grass twice over. Big Paudie and Oran Mallon where brilliant in the middle third with their high fielding and driving runs into the Trillick defence. As usual they got a huge impact from their bench with Paddy Quinn and Keifer both having great games and getting scores at crucial times. Finally, big Donaghey if there's one thing this fella doesn't lack is confidence, things weren't going his way with a few wides but he continued to keep plugging away at the whole thing and got a few scores and played some good ball into Quinn and Kiefer when they came on.

With that being said Trillick also had some outstanding preformances, Lee Brennans goal was as good a bit of individual creativity as we will see, young Ciaran Daly was very impressive for a 17 year old. When Lee kicked the equaliser at the end of extra time, the high press that Trillick went with put Dungannon under some pressure, the TV camera picked it up really well they had 5 players pushed up inside the 13 meter line hunting the ball with everything they had.

Regarding the penalities, TTM in their live video where reporting that had Barker missed the county board where ready to pull it before going to a third round. My only thought about penalties is that it is difficult enough to take one never mind having to step up to kick a second time, would it not be more viable to go with the 6th kicker etc. when it goes to sudden death?

Congrats to the Clarke's, another poster said how they had made an occasion out of the final and what an occasion it was! Enjoy

Angelo

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2020, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 21, 2020, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on September 21, 2020, 12:07:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 21, 2020, 12:00:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2020, 10:48:49 PM
Tyrone champions for Ulster this year  ;)

The Tyrone Championship has proven this year why it's the best about.

Maybe for entertainment but when loose in Ulster against the big boys, they are average.

You seem to be mistaking a club with a club championship. Would Cross, Scotstown, Ballinderry, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo etc have dominated the Tyrone club championship like they have their own in recent years?

They would in their hoop.

No one is asking them to dominate, The Tyrone teams just need to work out how to do well in Ulster

The history of their involvement in Ulster is poor, which doesn't make good reading, whatever way you try and spin it

How many goes did it take Kilcoo to win Ulster and they were within an inch of an All Ireland?

How many goes have Scotstown had now?

Most clubs in Tyrone might get one shot at Ulster in a decade, it's a tough slog to win their own Championship, other big clubs from counties with weaker championships are probably looking ahead to the provincial already and are tailoring for that. I don't think the likes of Crossmaglen or Kilcoo aim to peak in their county championship.

And it's not as if Tyrone clubs get disgraced in Ulster either, they are always very competitive, no matter what team of about 10 who could win it come out.
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Milltown Row2

Its a tough slog to win any championship, Cargin have won 3 in a row, and 4 out of 5 so dominating Antrim and can't get past the first round.

The ulster championship has been around for years, so every club that has aspirations of stepping out on Croke park will know what they have to do.. Its not a bonus to win Ulster or a club title, and while not winning your county championship for 64 years shouldn't be enjoyed, the focus should automatically be tuned in for the club titles.

Not sit and get completely shit faced for 2 weeks before the next match and be happy with what you've got, which seems to be the way in Tyrone, bar Carrickmore back then, they beat us in that run of theirs, brilliant team and managed to ref them once in a challenge game at ours, run ragged that day, I was!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Angelo

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2020, 10:41:42 AM
Its a tough slog to win any championship, Cargin have won 3 in a row, and 4 out of 5 so dominating Antrim and can't get past the first round.

The ulster championship has been around for years, so every club that has aspirations of stepping out on Croke park will know what they have to do.. Its not a bonus to win Ulster or a club title, and while not winning your county championship for 64 years shouldn't be enjoyed, the focus should automatically be tuned in for the club titles.

Not sit and get completely shit faced for 2 weeks before the next match and be happy with what you've got, which seems to be the way in Tyrone, bar Carrickmore back then, they beat us in that run of theirs, brilliant team and managed to ref them once in a challenge game at ours, run ragged that day, I was!

You're not getting it.

If Trillick/Omagh/Coalisland/Dromore/Killyclogher/Errigal etc were coming out of Tyrone every year then they are creating a winning mentality, they are gaining experience at a Provincial level, if they were coming through their club championship comfortably then they are looking ahead and planning for Provincial glory.

That sort of environment doesn't exist in Tyrone.

Kilcoo had 8 or 9 attempts at winning an Ulster in 11 years before they finally landed one.
Scotstown have had 5 attempts in 7 years at winning one and haven't landed one.
Cross come out in Armagh pretty much every year.
Derrygonnelly have dominated Fermanagh.
Derry has been a duopoly for the past decade.
Antrim and Cavan clubs generally ship some heavy beatings since Galls have regressed.

Donegal and Tyrone seem to be the only club championships in Ulster that there is a chance of more than 2 or 3 clubs emerging and holding their own on a consitent basis.

If Omagh had 6/7 shots at an Ulster in the past decade, they would have won one but the nature of the Tyrone Championship means you don't get repeat chances.

Galls in your own county had 5 successive runs at Ulster before they won one.
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imtommygunn

Did slaughtneil not win it at the second attempt? Loup won it with very little experience though going back a bit. What about Gaoth Dobhair? 

Angelo

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 10:54:06 AM
Did slaughtneil not win it at the second attempt? Loup won it with very little experience though going back a bit. What about Gaoth Dobhair?

The exception rather than the rule.

Slaughtneil were one of the best club teams in the country, but does that mean that the Derry club Championship was one of the best around when they were dominating it? No. Derry club football has been a duopoly for the past decade. Slaughtneil and Ballinderry shared 7 consecutive titles between them at one point, whenever they faced off it was the de facto final.

People seem to be getting confused about measuring the standard of the Club Championship on the basis of the winner it produces.

It's like proclaiming that the Leinster Championship is the best around because Dublin have done 5IAR AIs.
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