Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

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armaghniac

Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 15, 2018, 11:18:00 AM
Barry McElduff's resignation was most likely on the cards from last week. I'd guess that was the deal with the leadership, that he be allowed to resign and not be seen to be ousted by the sometimes faux outrage. Don't hold your breath on Unionist Politicians being held to the same standard, they have no shame.

I'd say the interview Alan Black had with Miriam over the weekend put the tin hat on it. You could see it genuinely hurt him and that as one of the victims there was no party politics at play. What McElduff did negligently or otherwise was wrong and he had to go.

Now they're saying it took too long which is true but hopefully it will allow us to hold the Unionists to a higher standard going forward as some of the stuff they have gotten away with is shocking especially Arlene!

You would think the seat is fairly safe although the Unionists are already suggesting a bi-partisan victims candidate which will make it very difficult for Sinn Fein

The cute thing to do would be for SF to support an agreed anti Brexit candidate, ideally a Protestant businessman. As Brexit is a once off this would not allow have their own candidate in the future.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

AQMP

Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 15, 2018, 11:18:00 AM
Barry McElduff's resignation was most likely on the cards from last week. I'd guess that was the deal with the leadership, that he be allowed to resign and not be seen to be ousted by the sometimes faux outrage. Don't hold your breath on Unionist Politicians being held to the same standard, they have no shame.

I'd say the interview Alan Black had with Miriam over the weekend put the tin hat on it. You could see it genuinely hurt him and that as one of the victims there was no party politics at play. What McElduff did negligently or otherwise was wrong and he had to go.

Now they're saying it took too long which is true but hopefully it will allow us to hold the Unionists to a higher standard going forward as some of the stuff they have gotten away with is shocking especially Arlene!

You would think the seat is fairly safe although the Unionists are already suggesting a bi-partisan victims candidate which will make it very difficult for Sinn Fein

This was tried before with Nigel Lutton in the Mid-Ulster by-election in 2013 without success (though I seem to remember that Lutton had some security force background?)

AQMP

Quote from: armaghniac on January 15, 2018, 11:30:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 15, 2018, 11:18:00 AM
Barry McElduff's resignation was most likely on the cards from last week. I'd guess that was the deal with the leadership, that he be allowed to resign and not be seen to be ousted by the sometimes faux outrage. Don't hold your breath on Unionist Politicians being held to the same standard, they have no shame.

I'd say the interview Alan Black had with Miriam over the weekend put the tin hat on it. You could see it genuinely hurt him and that as one of the victims there was no party politics at play. What McElduff did negligently or otherwise was wrong and he had to go.

Now they're saying it took too long which is true but hopefully it will allow us to hold the Unionists to a higher standard going forward as some of the stuff they have gotten away with is shocking especially Arlene!

You would think the seat is fairly safe although the Unionists are already suggesting a bi-partisan victims candidate which will make it very difficult for Sinn Fein

The cute thing to do would be for SF to support an agreed anti Brexit candidate, ideally a Protestant businessman. As Brexit is a once off this would not allow have their own candidate in the future.

First question...where do you stand on a United Ireland, Mr Protestant Businessman Anti-Brexit candidate??  This is West Tyrone we're talking about.

Applesisapples

Arelene has some neck on her, saying that SF has some way to go...Jesus wept.

armaghniac

Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2018, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 15, 2018, 11:30:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 15, 2018, 11:18:00 AM
Barry McElduff's resignation was most likely on the cards from last week. I'd guess that was the deal with the leadership, that he be allowed to resign and not be seen to be ousted by the sometimes faux outrage. Don't hold your breath on Unionist Politicians being held to the same standard, they have no shame.

I'd say the interview Alan Black had with Miriam over the weekend put the tin hat on it. You could see it genuinely hurt him and that as one of the victims there was no party politics at play. What McElduff did negligently or otherwise was wrong and he had to go.

Now they're saying it took too long which is true but hopefully it will allow us to hold the Unionists to a higher standard going forward as some of the stuff they have gotten away with is shocking especially Arlene!

You would think the seat is fairly safe although the Unionists are already suggesting a bi-partisan victims candidate which will make it very difficult for Sinn Fein

The cute thing to do would be for SF to support an agreed anti Brexit candidate, ideally a Protestant businessman. As Brexit is a once off this would not allow have their own candidate in the future.

First question...where do you stand on a United Ireland, Mr Protestant Businessman Anti-Brexit candidate??  This is West Tyrone we're talking about.

The diplomatic answer would be that if the Brexit is fecked up then there should be a border poll.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Armamike

I wouldn't be too critical of the timing. Politicians don't usually resign in a hurry so as resignations go it hasn't been too long drawn out.
It won't satisfy the DUP and TUV, but who cares about that.  Importantly for SF it restores a bit of credibility to them and their calls for respect etc.  They couldn't in all seriousness be seen to be continuing with that mantra, with the McElduff thing in the background.
That's just, like your opinion man.

armaghniac

Of course, you can only resign as a Westminster MP by being appointed to an office such as the Chiltern Hundreds, so Barry will be an officer of the Crown for a few minutes anyway.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Orior

Quote from: armaghniac on January 15, 2018, 12:48:10 PM
Of course, you can only resign as a Westminster MP by being appointed to an office such as the Chiltern Hundreds, so Barry will be an officer of the Crown for a few minutes anyway.

To hell with that and all thon british pomp and ceremony shit. He's resigned, full stop. Let the brits sort it out.
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

seafoid

Quote from: Itchy on January 15, 2018, 10:29:46 AM
Fair play to him for taking responsibility and doing the right thing. It may be a tad late but it is still now done. What this shows is that nationalists and republicans will hold their elected representatives to a high standard which is only right. Perhaps unionism now could think about doing the same given that they have some of the most vile individuals within their ranks doing things just as wrong as this and being held to no account. Same goes for the parties in the South who frequently allow unsavory individuals within their ranks. This is a good day for republicanism in my opinion.
I agree.
Very tough decision but the respect agenda is on again
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Dire Ear

Quote from: longballin on January 15, 2018, 10:12:04 AM
No chance of a  DUP politician resign after many of their shameful outbursts.
100%, and anyone who thinks they're going to change over this , are delusional

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2018, 11:20:56 AM
The result from the GE in June:

Barry McElduff (SF)            22,060        50.7%
Thomas Buchanan (DUP)    11,718        26.9%
Daniel McCrossan (SDLP)     5,635         13.0%
Alicia Clarke (UUP)              2,253          5.2%   
Stephen Donnelly (All)        1,000           2.3%
Ciaran McClean (Green)         427           1.0%
Barry Brown (CISTA)             393           0.9%

Majority                            10,342        23.8%

Turnout                            43,675        68.2%

On these figures it would take something earth shattering for SF to lose this seat.  McElduff got more than 50% of the vote.

What would happen if the candidate was to be a victim of the Omagh bomb running on a respect/reconciliation ticket? 

The SF vote maxed out in 2017, while in WT many voters opposed to SF no longer vote as it is pointless on a split vote trying to have their preferred candidate elected, only core non-SF voters turn out. 

There is plenty of scope to increase the non-SF vote if there was a prospect of sending a strong message to the politicians that the sectarian nonsense has no future. Someone like Stanley McComb would be capable of drawing a considerable non-partisan vote and would highlight the case for the victims of the Omagh bomb in their campaign for a proper inquiry.

Like West Belfast, West Tyrone has gained nothing from its SF representation in government in Belfast and elected to Westminster.  It has lost the acute hospital to FST and the A5 will begin at the other end in Foyle instead of an extension to the A4 dual carriageway (another serious accident at Garvaghy on Saturday night) due to decisions by SF ministers seeking party votes in other constituencies.  No new employment to replace the downgrading of the lost civil service jobs and at the Education Authority.  Yet SF supporters continue to return representatives every time, strange.

Keyser soze

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 15, 2018, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2018, 11:20:56 AM
The result from the GE in June:

Barry McElduff (SF)            22,060        50.7%
Thomas Buchanan (DUP)    11,718        26.9%
Daniel McCrossan (SDLP)     5,635         13.0%
Alicia Clarke (UUP)              2,253          5.2%   
Stephen Donnelly (All)        1,000           2.3%
Ciaran McClean (Green)         427           1.0%
Barry Brown (CISTA)             393           0.9%

Majority                            10,342        23.8%

Turnout                            43,675        68.2%

On these figures it would take something earth shattering for SF to lose this seat.  McElduff got more than 50% of the vote.

What would happen if the candidate was to be a victim of the Omagh bomb running on a respect/reconciliation ticket? 

The SF vote maxed out in 2017, while in WT many voters opposed to SF no longer vote as it is pointless on a split vote trying to have their preferred candidate elected, only core non-SF voters turn out. 

There is plenty of scope to increase the non-SF vote if there was a prospect of sending a strong message to the politicians that the sectarian nonsense has no future. Someone like Stanley McComb would be capable of drawing a considerable non-partisan vote and would highlight the case for the victims of the Omagh bomb in their campaign for a proper inquiry.

Like West Belfast, West Tyrone has gained nothing from its SF representation in government in Belfast and elected to Westminster.  It has lost the acute hospital to FST and the A5 will begin at the other end in Foyle instead of an extension to the A4 dual carriageway (another serious accident at Garvaghy on Saturday night) due to decisions by SF ministers seeking party votes in other constituencies.  No new employment to replace the downgrading of the lost civil service jobs and at the Education Authority.  Yet SF supporters continue to return representatives every time, strange.


Do you have any facts to back any of this up?

Avondhu star

McElduff has walked the plank ( he has taken one for the team) Now they are going for O Muilleoir. Who was it said what happens when you feed the crocodile ?
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

Rois

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 15, 2018, 03:09:42 PM
the A5 will begin at the other end in Foyle instead of an extension to the A4 dual carriageway (another serious accident at Garvaghy on Saturday night) due to decisions by SF ministers seeking party votes in other constituencies. 

I know you feel aggrieved by this, but there are plenty of WT voters in Strabane who welcome that the road between Strabane and Derry will be improved in our part of the world sooner rather than later (speaking as someone who was knocked down as a child on the road between Strabane and Derry!).

Wildweasel74

A week too late for any moral high ground!! Should gone on stupidity alone!!