Man Utd Thread:

[north_antrim_hound]

Players are out of position out of form and bad formations or inconsistent formations.

How poor was last years PL if this rabble made top four handily?

De Gea was in goals. There was the bounce of a new Manager. United were in the less squad taxing Europa League. Part of how well Liverpool are doing this season in the Premier League has to do with them being in the Europa League.

No the reason why Liverpool are doing so well and United are not is that United repeatedly spend obscene amounts of money on absolute guff. Klopp and Liverpool are alot more astute in the transfer market than ETH.

Don't know about that bro, Darwin cost a lot of money and his finishing is pretty average, kieta was a howler for the money. There has been a few in the klopp era. Having said that the likes of Suarez ( before klopp  ) and Salah were absolute bargains. I wish we would of bought Garnacho, absolute peach of a player and so very young.

[Blowitupref]

Changing the manager again would be pointless.
Man Utd has a much bigger problem.

Correct. The most successful and United teams had leaders all over the pitch - this team has none. If Bruno is the best you have to select as captain you are in big trouble.

They have the least number of drawn matches in the EPL (W10 D1 L9) so does that suggest they can't grind out a result when behind, something they've been famous for in the past.

Among those absent Martinez,Casemiro would be the current few leaders. Gone through various managers now and the likes of Wan Bissaka, Dalot,Rashford McTominay etc aren't going to mold into that type of player.

[Jeepers Creepers]

Don't underestimate the loss of a fully fit Martinez. He's that player who can drive a team even from Centre half. Most of that starting lineup last night should the subs bench. A good defensive midfielder could have possibly prevented those goals but last night Utd were chronic. ETH isn't doing himself any favours but what could anew mange do with that squad ?? It would be Groundhog Day. Again.

[nrico2006]

Don't underestimate the loss of a fully fit Martinez. He's that player who can drive a team even from Centre half. Most of that starting lineup last night should the subs bench. A good defensive midfielder could have possibly prevented those goals but last night Utd were chronic. ETH isn't doing himself any favours but what could anew mange do with that squad ?? It would be Groundhog Day. Again.

Thing is though, ETH has brought in a lot of crap since he joined.

[Milltown Row2]

Don't underestimate the loss of a fully fit Martinez. He's that player who can drive a team even from Centre half. Most of that starting lineup last night should the subs bench. A good defensive midfielder could have possibly prevented those goals but last night Utd were chronic. ETH isn't doing himself any favours but what could anew mange do with that squad ?? It would be Groundhog Day. Again.

Thing is though, ETH has brought in a lot of crap since he joined.

Crap or not, they ain't playing as a team, and while there's been injuries the effort shown by the players picked is woeful.

[marty34]

Strange thing about Man Utd is that they're in 7th position but have -5 of a goal difference.

Strange.

[shark]

Strange thing about Man Utd is that they're in 7th position but have -5 of a goal difference.

Strange.

Over a long enough period of time goals scored correlates to points gained. Utd are outperforming on points right now, given that they've only scored 22 goals.

[RedHand88]

Players are out of position out of form and bad formations or inconsistent formations.

How poor was last years PL if this rabble made top four handily?

De Gea was in goals. There was the bounce of a new Manager. United were in the less squad taxing Europa League. Part of how well Liverpool are doing this season in the Premier League has to do with them being in the Europa League.

No the reason why Liverpool are doing so well and United are not is that United repeatedly spend obscene amounts of money on absolute guff. Klopp and Liverpool are alot more astute in the transfer market than ETH.

Don't know about that bro, Darwin cost a lot of money and his finishing is pretty average, kieta was a howler for the money. There has been a few in the klopp era. Having said that the likes of Suarez ( before klopp  ) and Salah were absolute bargains. I wish we would of bought Garnacho, absolute peach of a player and so very young.

Keita was bought 5 and a half years ago! Sure if we're going that far back.....

If we're talking about this year let's compare.

Liverpool signings
Szoboszlai (one of the best buys in the league this year, has been outstanding)
MacAllister (doing well considering he's played out of position)
Endo (hot and cold, mostly hot recently. Probably doesn't start in a full midfield)
Gravenberch (decent, good squad player)

United signings
Onana (.....)
Mount (awful)
Hojlund (took to Christmas to get a league goal)

ETH has had an abysmal record in the transfer record at United. Can anyone point to one of his transfers that has turned into a success? I thought he had signed Garnacho then saw he was a youth system player so he can't even claim that.

[Milltown Row2]

Is this the Utd v Liverpool thread ?

[Blowitupref]

Can anyone point to one of Ten Hag transfers that has turned into a success? I thought he had signed Garnacho then saw he was a youth system player so he can't even claim that.

Martinez,Casemiro summer 2022 signings played in their part in United finishing 3rd in the league and reaching two cup finals last season.  Eriksen would fall into the decent squad player category. Mount hasn't played enough to be judged fully.

Is this the Utd v Liverpool thread ?

Imagine the traffic on here from both sets of supporters if both were having a decent season at same time. The two teams seem to swap places in recent seasons. After 20 games last year it was Liverpool doing the struggling.

[Armagh18]

Can anyone point to one of Ten Hag transfers that has turned into a success? I thought he had signed Garnacho then saw he was a youth system player so he can't even claim that.

Martinez,Casemiro summer 2022 signings played in their part in United finishing 3rd in the league and reaching two cup finals last season.  Eriksen would fall into the decent squad player category. Mount hasn't played enough to be judged fully.

Is this the Utd v Liverpool thread ?

Imagine the traffic on here from both sets of supporters if both were having a decent season at same time. The two teams seem to swap places in recent seasons. After 20 games last year it was Liverpool doing the struggling.

Both class players when they're motoring and been badly missed. Hopefully both can get back to their best asap.
 Casemiro cost a ridiculous amount and is on crazy money though.

[seafoid]

Fixing Man Utd under the Glazers will be harder than a 9 dart finish at the World Darts Championship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JH6tiovE-Q&t=120s

[trailer]

Lots of noise coming from the usual bullshit journos about what JR and Ineos are going to do. Trimming the wage bill seems to be of high priority. Will be interesting to see just how much of Sancho's wages Dortmund are willing to pay.

[Look-Up!]

Trimming the wage bill would be the smart thing to do. It's astronomical and very problematic going forward trying to sign players and build a squad. There's already debt of 1bn on the books and I'd say they're sailing very close to FFP breaches.

Only problem with that is it leaves them a bit in football limbo for a few years if they take that approach. Would have to accept being outside top 4/5 for a few years if they're genuinely prepared to cut back. You might ask how's that's any different to now but there's still the hope that they sign big, get in a big manager and glamour their way back to the big time. A pragmatic bread and water approach could have massive terrace backlash. Football mobs are not famous for their patience. 

Another approach could be to get in a different manager, try to work with some of the "flops and outcasts", get them playing again and either go forward with that or at least have more higher value assets for the shop window.

[trailer]

Trimming the wage bill would be the smart thing to do. It's astronomical and very problematic going forward trying to sign players and build a squad. There's already debt of 1bn on the books and I'd say they're sailing very close to FFP breaches.

Only problem with that is it leaves them a bit in football limbo for a few years if they take that approach. Would have to accept being outside top 4/5 for a few years if they're genuinely prepared to cut back. You might ask how's that's any different to now but there's still the hope that they sign big, get in a big manager and glamour their way back to the big time. A pragmatic bread and water approach could have massive terrace backlash. Football mobs are not famous for their patience. 

Another approach could be to get in a different manager, try to work with some of the "flops and outcasts", get them playing again and either go forward with that or at least have more higher value assets for the shop window.

I think fans need to be realistic. Utd are at least 4 transfer windows away from getting some sort of squad. If that meant a squad that could challenge then that's probably acceptable.
Changing the Manager hasn't worked the last 4 or 5 times they tried it. Think it is time for a clear-out of playing staff.