Premier League 2023-2024

[NAG1]

Are FFP and PSR completely different things? They have to be very linked but are presumably not exactly the same thing too?

FFP is UEFA/ FIFA - PSR is only for the PL clubs.

[lurganblue]

They really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.

[NAG1]

They really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.

From what I have heard the City charges go back nearly 10 years and therefore are taking longer to deal with, that and City are not cooperating.

Everton were working with the PL and thought that they were doing the right thing that is why they are so furious about the 10 point deduction.

It is a mess but it is supposed to be in place to stop clubs going to the wall.

[naka]

They really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.

i think everyone agrees with this
these teams co operated and are getting hammered
city dont cooperate and their case drags on forever

[Milltown Row2]

I think City's issues are completely different to Forrest and Everton's

It's not like for like

Forrest and Everton couldn't hide what they did wrong

City are able to stretch out their problems a lot longer

Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole and they are getting away with it at the minute or at least till that loophole can be sorted out..

As mentioned, it was to stop clubs going to the wall, City and Chelsea won't be going to the wall any day soon.

Forrest and to an extent Everton are not totally flushed, so for them and others its important

[shark]

I think City's issues are completely different to Forrest and Everton's

It's not like for like

Forrest and Everton couldn't hide what they did wrong

City are able to stretch out their problems a lot longer

Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole and they are getting away with it at the minute or at least till that loophole can be sorted out..

As mentioned, it was to stop clubs going to the wall, City and Chelsea won't be going to the wall any day soon.

Forrest and to an extent Everton are not totally flushed, so for them and others its important

It was created to stop another City or Chelsea happening. To pull up the ladder. And it is working as intended. Newcastle and, to a lesser extend Villa, have owners who are absolutely loaded but who cannot spend their way to the top like the aforementioned. Villa have indefinitely delayed the planned expansion of Villa Park as to do so would mean they will not be able to adequately invest in players over the next few years. Even though their owners can afford to do both.
FFP is complete horseshit, and only suits the clubs who happened to be at the top of the tree at the right time.

[Milltown Row2]

I think City's issues are completely different to Forrest and Everton's

It's not like for like

Forrest and Everton couldn't hide what they did wrong

City are able to stretch out their problems a lot longer

Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole and they are getting away with it at the minute or at least till that loophole can be sorted out..

As mentioned, it was to stop clubs going to the wall, City and Chelsea won't be going to the wall any day soon.

Forrest and to an extent Everton are not totally flushed, so for them and others its important

It was created to stop another City or Chelsea happening. To pull up the ladder. And it is working as intended. Newcastle and, to a lesser extend Villa, have owners who are absolutely loaded but who cannot spend their way to the top like the aforementioned. Villa have indefinitely delayed the planned expansion of Villa Park as to do so would mean they will not be able to adequately invest in players over the next few years. Even though their owners can afford to do both.
FFP is complete horseshit, and only suits the clubs who happened to be at the top of the tree at the right time.

So it's nothing to do with clubs over spending and going bankrupt?

I've said that certain clubs will not go under, others not in same position but will spend more than they have at trying to stay in the PL

[thewobbler]

FFP is working and has City worried. If the threat wasn't looming over them, they'd have reinforced heavily this window.

[shark]

Clubs who have gone under (Bury and Macclesfield are the only recent ones in England I can think of) or who have gone close in the past, have done so due to terrible owners. FFP does not prevent that. The rules have been enforced far more strenuously in the football league , and it hasn't stopped the current situation at Reading occurring.
The narrative that FFP is there to save clubs from themselves is a nice one. It's not true though. And it has created a ridiculous side effect of clubs selling off their academy players as the rules dictate that the profit does not have to be amortised.

[Blowitupref]

FFP is working and has City worried. If the threat wasn't looming over them, they'd have reinforced heavily this window.

Over 200 million spent in the summer transfer window is not bad going on a squad that just won the treble.

[trailer]

Clubs who have gone under (Bury and Macclesfield are the only recent ones in England I can think of) or who have gone close in the past, have done so due to terrible owners. FFP does not prevent that. The rules have been enforced far more strenuously in the football league , and it hasn't stopped the current situation at Reading occurring.
The narrative that FFP is there to save clubs from themselves is a nice one. It's not true though. And it has created a ridiculous side effect of clubs selling off their academy players as the rules dictate that the profit does not have to be amortised.

Gretna in Scotland is the best example of things going Pete Tong. Once the millionaire owner left the club folded. The rules are there to protect the clubs and the clubs all agreed and freely signed up to them.
You're allowed loads of degradations. Everton went to the PL and told them they were gonna be in breach. The league told them what to do to avoid a breach but they ploughed on buying players anyway.
The panel is totally independent.

[markl121]

They really really need to address the City issues. It isn't a good look to be imposing penalties on Everton and Forest, with seemingly no movement on the 115 charges against City.

115 charges takes a lot more time to sort than just one. Cities day will come, it has to now, after seeing the punishment for just one breach. Thing is city have being managing their finances using creative ways to get money into the club, the owner making shell companies to sponsor them etc. It's not exactly like Everton.

[J70]

Forest and Everton is black and white, out in the open, "we broke the rules".

City are accused of lying and conspiring with a bunch of foreign sponsors and are fighting the charges with high powered lawyers.

It takes time to build the case.

[manfromdelmonte]

Everton have created the hole themselves being very poorly run for almost a decade.

Splurge on crap players and huge wages.
Then pay offs for sacking managers
Low match day revenue and poor commercial sales of merchandise and rights.


Then COVID hit
The war in Ukraine - Usmanov money dried up
Building a stadium and the financing not properly in place

The proposed new owners have supposedly loaned £120m already to the club to keep them afloat.

[Captain Obvious]

West Ham United currently 6th in the Premier League knocked out of the FA Cup tonight by Bristol City 14th in the championship.