Should the gaa allow the Liam Miller testimonial in Pairc hi Caoimh - poll

Started by sligoman2, July 24, 2018, 12:59:52 PM

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Should the gaa allow the Liam Millar testimonial to be played in PUC

Yes
126 (70.4%)
No
37 (20.7%)
Not sure
16 (8.9%)

Total Members Voted: 179

Voting closed: July 31, 2018, 12:59:52 PM

sligoman2

Thought a poll might be a good idea considering the press this is getting.
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

sligoman2

Almost a 4 to 1 ratio at this point in favour of allowing the game, which is what I had expected.
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

rodney trotter

It shouldn't have even been a discussion. Dinosaurs as Damien Duff called them

  The Gaa weren't so old time about signing a deal with SKY

giveballaghback

Liam Miller [rip] was a top paid professional sportsman and played his football for some of the richest clubs in the world as well as a sport that is a multi billion euro business. Maybe his sport should look after their own and not put his family through the embarrassment of  a charity match played in a stadium owned by an amateur organisation.

Syferus

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 24, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
Liam Miller [rip] was a top paid professional sportsman and played his football for some of the richest clubs in the world as well as a sport that is a multi billion euro business. Maybe his sport should look after their own and not put his family through the embarrassment of  a charity match played in a stadium owned by an amateur organisation.

Shameful post.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 24, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
Liam Miller [rip] was a top paid professional sportsman and played his football for some of the richest clubs in the world as well as a sport that is a multi billion euro business. Maybe his sport should look after their own and not put his family through the embarrassment of  a charity match played in a stadium owned by an amateur organisation.
His sport are trying to raise funds for a hospice. Our sport wont help out.

thewobbler

There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

thewobbler

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

It's only very clear if it's the note you want to hear.

Regardless, the point still stands. If Cork County Board can produce a pamphlet that roughly says, PuC costs X annually to run without events, and each event costs between Y and Z in terms of insurance, maintenance, staffing, etc., so therefore we need N to cover the event at cost price, and P to make it worth our while, then I'd be very surprised.

But if they could, it changes the dimension of it all, as only events that can generate 20k+ attendances would consider approaching them.


thejuice

I think comments like Duffs probably don't paint an accurate picture of how things work. In some people's mind they probably thinks a load of dusty old men in suits clutching the proclamation shouting never etc. When it's probably a bit more mundane and bureaucratic. It is an association of volunteers after all so chances are there's probably a lack of clear leadership when it comes to making decisions to things that are a bit outside the box and away from Croke Park. In an organization like the GAA it probably takes a fair bit of time to get people round a table and properly sort things out, as we all should know by now. Look at the mess of Newbridge, Garth Brooks and club fixtures. There's a lot that has to come together and as an amateur organisation it isn't always up to scratch but at the same time I don't feel we're missing out by not having a John Delaney type figure running the place.

All that said I hope and I think the game will go ahead in Pairc Ui Caomh.
It won't be the next manager but the one after that Meath will become competitive again - MO'D 2016

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

It's only very clear if it's the note you want to hear.

Regardless, the point still stands. If Cork County Board can produce a pamphlet that roughly says, PuC costs X annually to run without events, and each event costs between Y and Z in terms of insurance, maintenance, staffing, etc., so therefore we need N to cover the event at cost price, and P to make it worth our while, then I'd be very surprised.

But if they could, it changes the dimension of it all, as only events that can generate 20k+ attendances would consider approaching them.
Its a note you really hope the GAA heard.

I hope you mean that in the general and not about the fundraiser in question.

trailer

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

thewobbler

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:17:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

It's only very clear if it's the note you want to hear.

Regardless, the point still stands. If Cork County Board can produce a pamphlet that roughly says, PuC costs X annually to run without events, and each event costs between Y and Z in terms of insurance, maintenance, staffing, etc., so therefore we need N to cover the event at cost price, and P to make it worth our while, then I'd be very surprised.

But if they could, it changes the dimension of it all, as only events that can generate 20k+ attendances would consider approaching them.
Its a note you really hope the GAA heard.

I hope you mean that in the general and not about the fundraiser in question.

I mean it in general. We are a members organisation. It should be pretty transparent how much it costs to host an event, and therefore how much profit is made from one.

I wouldn't expect profit from Miller's testimonial. But I would expect costs to be covered.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

Syferus

Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Where do you actually get the balls to dress up predjuice in flimsy reasoning like this?