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Title: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 18, 2016, 01:47:15 AM
O' Moore Park must have got bigger since last year as it was said it wouldn't be big enough to accommodate all the Dublin supporters. This year it is deemed big enough because if Carlow beat Wexford they will play Dublin in O'Moore Park.....   ::)
 
REIGNING Leinster senior football champions Dublin will open the defence of the Delaney Cup at a provincial venue in 2017.
Either O’Moore Park or Innovate Wexford Park will be the setting when the Dubs begin a quest to win a record breaking seventh Leinster title in a row.
Wexford and Carlow meet in a first round tie at Netwatch Cullen Park on Sunday May 21 for the right to face Dublin in a quarter final, which will take place on Saturday or Sunday, 3rd or 4th June.
If Wexford win, they will have the added incentive of entertaining the Dubs at home in Wexford Park. Should Carlow triumph, the game will take place at O’Moore Park, Portlaoise because the capacity of Netwatch Cullen Park would be insufficient.
Last June the Dubs played a Leinster SFC tie outside of Croke Park for the first time in 10 years when they took on Laois in Kilkenny’s Nowlan Park.
A meeting of Comhairle Laighean last night agreed to keep Jim Gavin’s Dubs ‘on the road’ for their opening fixture of the 2017 campaign.
The potential for concerts taking place at Croke Park has been another factor in deliberating on where matches will be played next summer.
Leinster Senior Hurling Championship games will commence on Sunday, 23rd April with the first series of matches in the round robin section, which next year involves Laois, Westmeath, Meath and Kerry.
Kilkenny will begin the defence of the Bob O’Keeffe Cup in a semi-final tie versus Wexford or one of the qualifiers from the round-robin group.
The Leinster senior hurling final has been confirmed for Sunday, July 2 and the senior football decider has been fixed for Sunday, July 16 at Croke Park.
 


LEINSTER GAA SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS 2017

23rd April (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Round Robin  -  Round One
Meath v Kerry  - Pairc Tailteann, Navan
Laois v Westmeath – O’Moore Park, Portlaoise
 
30th April (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Round Robin  -  Round Two
Westmeath v Kerry – TEG Cusack Park, Mullingar
Meath v Laois – Pairc Tailteann, Navan
 
14th May (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Round Robin  -  Round Three
Westmeath v Meath – TEG Cusack Park, Mullingar
Kerry v Laois – Austin Stack Park, Tralee
 
21st May (Sunday)
Leinster SFC  -  Round One
Louth v Wicklow - Parnell Park, Dublin
Laois v Longford – O’Moore Park, Portlaoise
Carlow  v  Wexford – Netwatch Cullen Park
 
27th May (Saturday) /28th May (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Quarter Finals
Round Robin Team  v  Offaly
Round Robin Team  v  Wexford
Both Q-Finals are home games for round-robin teams except for Kerry - that Q-Final be played at a Leinster venue.
 
28th  May (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Quarter Final 
Galway  v  Dublin – O’Connor Park, Tullamore
 
3rd June (Saturday)
Leinster SFC Quarter Final
Kildare  v  Laois/Longford – O’Connor Pk, Tullamore
IF Meath v Louth – Parnell Park, Dublin
 
3rd June (Saturday) or 4th June (Sunday)
Leinster SFC Quarter Final
Carlow/Wexford v Dublin – O'Moore Pk, Portlaoise/Innovate Wexford Park
 
4th June (Sunday)
Leinster SFC Quarter Final
IF Meath v Wicklow – Aughrim
 
10th June (Saturday) / 11th June (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Semi Final   
Kilkenny   v   RR Team/Wexford -     /Wexford
Leinster SFC Quarter Final   
Offaly  v  Westmeath – O’Connor Park, Tullamore
 
17th June (Sat)/18th June (Sun)
Leinster SHC Semi Final 
Galway/Dublin  v  RR Team/Offaly – TBC
 
25th June (Sunday)
Leinster SFC Semi Finals (investigating the feasibility of moving
the Louth/Wicklow/Meath v Longford/Laois/Kildare S-Final to previous weekend)

 
2nd July (Sunday)
Leinster SHC & MHC Final
 
16th July (Sunday)
Leinster SFC & MFC Final
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on November 18, 2016, 10:53:13 AM
Leinster Council chairman John Horan has defended the decision to fix Dublin to play in Portlaoise next summer - despite previously ruling the venue unsuitable.
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Should Carlow beat Wexford in their 2017 championship opener, the All-Ireland champions will travel to O'Moore Park to start the defence of their Leinster Championship on June 3/4.
The decision piqued interest in Laois who were unhappy they weren't permitted to face the Dubs at their home venue last summer and instead travelled to Kilkenny's Nowlan Park.

But Horan explained that they took the "cautious" decision in moving that game to the province's second largest stadium.
Read more: On the road again: Dublin to be taken out of Croke Park for Leinster opener in 2017

"Last year (2016) we done it on the basis that we were going to the biggest venue to test it out, and we were taking a cautious step," he said.
"It hadn't been done in 10 years, the Dublin that's there now is a different Dublin that was there 10 years ago. They have four All-Irelands under their belt in that sense, so we felt that we had to take that cautious step last year and test the market and we tested the market.

"Now we feel we can take another step forward and spread the actual base that Dublin would use. You'd be talking about Wexford, Portlaoise and Tullamore as possible venues, but again it'll be reviewed every year and just see how it goes.
"If there are problems out of it this year, we'll obviously have to review them. But we had no problems last year, Kilkenny did a great job and there was a great atmosphere for anyone that was there."

Leinster took a small financial hit that weekend but Horan puts that down to the fact that their double-header was moved to Saturday night from Sunday due to a Bruce Springsteen concert. And he hinted the arrangement will remain in place for the foreseeable future.
"I think once we had taken the step to take Dublin out, I think going forward that it's a good idea," he said.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Andy06 on November 18, 2016, 12:37:02 PM
What utter BS!!
"We assumed that more people would come to Nowlan Park to line our pockets, as this didnt happen we are now willing to put matches elsewhere. Those expensive salaries of the upper GAA have to be paid somehow ya know!"

All seeded teams in the Quarter Finals should be made travel to their opponents home ground, it would level the playing field to some degree and give the weaker counties a sniff of a chance in most cases.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on November 18, 2016, 08:58:38 PM
Absolute rubish of the highest order.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on November 18, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
What a load of shite. Did Portlaoise magically get a bigger stand in the last few months to seat all those Dublin season ticket holders who can't be expected to stand at a game?
I hope that lying f***er gets no votes in his GAA president campaign.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2016, 11:28:12 PM
Lads, I reckon Nolan Park was used this year to prove its worth for the 2023 Rugby bid. Nothing else made sense then or makes sense now.





Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on November 19, 2016, 01:04:46 AM
Trump has threatened to bomb Kilkenny back to the confederation days unless the County board takes football seriously. Trumps cabinet is full of hard core corned beef Irish American white nationalist alt right neoconservative Gaelic football purists.And they are determined to destroy Obama''s legacy including the black card and the GPA Obamacare plan. Even thought Trump is a fan of manliness he has reached the end of his tether with Cody and his contempt for the big ball.  Trump has offered Kilkenny positive coverage on Breitbart and for Thurles to  to be dissed as a kip across the dark Internet.  The Tipp lads think it is all above board but this is the post fact world lads.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on November 19, 2016, 09:07:59 AM
Trump has threatened to bomb Kilkenny back to the confederation days unless the County board takes football seriously. Trumps cabinet is full of hard core corned beef Irish American white nationalist alt right neoconservative Gaelic football purists.And they are determined to destroy Obama''s legacy including the black card and the GPA Obamacare plan. Even thought Trump is a fan of manliness he has reached the end of his tether with Cody and his contempt for the big ball.  Trump has offered Kilkenny positive coverage on Breitbart and for Thurles to  to be dissed as a kip across the dark Internet.  The Tipp lads think it is all above board but this is the post fact world lads.

Hard to argue with any of that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 06, 2017, 12:38:06 AM
Just updating this thread as its almost here now. Didn't think we'd be going into our first game coming from a disastrous league showing but as they say, "we are where we are" and we have to get behind the lads now and try to salvage something from this year.
It's now more important than ever that we put in a few good performances in the championship because if moral falls any lower we could be in real trouble with lads not committing to the panel for our stint in Div.4.
We have to put everything into the Longford game and just playing Kildare will bring out the best in us, whether that will be good enough I don't know but we have to go out and give it everything.
I still think we have the ability to pull of at least one good performance so lets get behind the lads and give it a real good go....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 06, 2017, 08:53:32 AM
Are we still going to field? Would not be as well just ask them to excuse us for this year maybe? That we're not feeling up to it, and we'll be back in 2018.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 06, 2017, 09:31:14 AM
It's hard to see anything other than a short summer.

If we manage to beat Longford our neighbours will do a number on us and as we've seen in recent years we have no appetite for the qualifiers. The lads will then have 4 or 5 weeks off before the start of the club championship.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 06, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Are we still going to field? Would not be as well just ask them to excuse us for this year maybe? That we're not feeling up to it, and we'll be back in 2018.

I know you said that tongue in cheek, but it's about all that's left for us to do. We're closer to not fielding than we are to winning anything, so why not? I'd be the sort of person who would never enter into anything if you can't win it, and I think that attitude is already out there. I heard an interview with Johnny Magee earlier in the year, and he as good as said he was laughed at by Wicklow lads when he invited them in. I wonder if some of the lads who come in and out of our own panel don't feel the same? Let's call a spade a spade, Croke Park don't give a bollix about us. We could drop off the map and they'd be happy as long as Dublin and Kerry are around. Our own CB are probably waiting for the Leinster position to come up, so who is actually fighting our corner? You wouldn't put a boxer into a contest three divisions above his weight, and that essentially is what Leinster and the All Ireland series has become. Dublin's second team would undoubtedly beat us, so I have to wonder what are we even at. It'd be some craic to ring up Aogan O Monkeycrap or whatever his name is and say we're opting out for a few years to get the house in order. Fanciful maybe, but it might get a proper debate started. It's souls destroying dropping further and further down the ladder.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 06, 2017, 10:02:18 AM
Our CB is even more deluded than I thought if they think one of them is getting a Leinster position.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 06, 2017, 12:04:55 PM
I'm actually looking forward to the championship - based purely on the fact that surely it can't get any worse than the league and there's a small chance we'll perform.

We never have a chance of actually winning it, High Fielder. We're always at least a division below the heavyweights (and 2-3 behind them now). Even in 2003 - 2006 we never really challenged the real top teams when it mattered and didn't get beyond quarters.

I'm not into the whole waving the white flag business - I know most of what you're saying is in jest but I'm of the opinion that we have to do the best we can, regardless of who commits or injuries etc..

For sure, we might lose to Longford and then Leitrim in the qualifiers, but there's ALWAYS that small chance that we can pull something off. Much like the Monaghan game a few years back, the 2-12 to 0-12 (when we were written off completely or the match or Tyrone in 06 after being written off vs the dubs.

Sometimes when Laois are written off the most, we come out with the best displays (just look at recent matches of us vs Dublin - being the extreme underdog seems to bring out the best in Laois teams. Yes we lost to Dubs but the displays were never embarrassing - in fact we put it up to them for large spells.) And for that reason and the 10% chance that well do well, I'm looking forward to it. We expect the worst anyway. Something just tells me that when our injuried parties return and we (fingers crossed) have almost all fit and ready, and we get serious about the task ahead, that we might actually have an ok championship.

I wonder is there any chance of Cahir coming back this year. I know he said he's likely back in 2018 but we could really need him in FB line.

Brody,
Healy, Timmons, Booth.

Now there's a fb line you can set your watch to.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Clubber Lang on April 06, 2017, 12:56:46 PM
I have constantly questioned the commitment of a couple our county players who remained on the panel/team year in year out and never committed to doing the hard work on the field of tackling and sacrificing themselves to cover back, win dirty ball etc.. It's that determination to win and give it your all for your county that has been sadly lacking. Due to serous lack of competition for places over the years these lads have got away with it and been pampered to their whole careers. If pulled up on their lack of appetite/commitment/work-rate their response has been generally to tell management to f**k off. In their eyes they are never to blame when teams like Tipperary, Antrim, Clare outwork us and show more desire to win in championship games. Now that we have been relegated to Division 4, maybe some soul searching might finally take place and that these lads might realise what is needed in order to complete at this level and hopefully we will get some response come the championship. I have read a number of posters on this forum questioning why Healy commits to the hurlers over the footballers. The last two performances by our hurlers against Wexford and Kerry showed huge heart, commitment and desire-while they mightn't win a Leinster championship there is still huge satisfaction knowing that you as a team have given everything to the cause on the field of play. Could all our footballers say the same after Sunday's game. I'm probably being naive but surely these lads will want to restore some self pride and put in a respectable championship run.     
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 06, 2017, 01:10:36 PM
I don't know Clubber Lang.

I think if the heart wasn't there, why would they even show up for training for Laois.

It's a mighty commitment for anyone, even a single man without a family. You wouldn't do that unless you really wanted to play for the jersey.

As for work-rate. I do see work-rate, I just don't see amazing ability with some of our players.

Ability or lack of natural athleticism sometimes seems like lack of effort but I don't subscribe to that. Haven't you ever been in a match where you're trying your heart out but you're failing because you're not good enough?

Any time I see Carlow play for example, they always run their guts out but they're rarely successful due to ability and lack of natural talent. I think the big question of someone's desire to play for their county is giving 6-8 months of commitment in training when they could be doing something else.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 06, 2017, 01:40:57 PM
I couldn't agree more Clubber Lang. I think you've hit the nail on the head on a number of fronts there. Just because you do the training and wear the jersey does not make you committed or good enough. It's like the Celtic banner that was held up there a while back which said "The Celtic jersey has shrunk to fit inferior players". You can see the lads who leave every ounce on the pitch. I could count them on one hand last Sunday.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 07, 2017, 12:54:46 AM
I agree with Tony, these lads, simply by turning up for training have shown they are interested and committed to playing for Laois. I thought only two or three looked liked they didn't want to work hard to win last Sunday but the majority worked their socks off. The ability is still lacking in some of them but there were a lot of young players on the team and that game was as much a championship match as you are likely to see. We also had some walking wounded out there and lads just back from injury who were far from the required fitness levels.
I say give them time and then make up your mind about the management, players and the skill and commitment of all of them. We know most of the squad but Creedon is still learning about them and he's not going to do it all in his first year.


Having said that I cant see too many turning up for the game against Longford at these prices....

LEINSTER S.F.C.  – LAOIS V LONGFORD -  21ST MAY 2017
O’MOORE PARK, PORTLAOISE @ 3.00PM

GENERAL
Stand - €20
Terrace - €15

FAMILY TICKETS:-
1 Adult and 2 Juveniles etc.
Family Tickets are available for Stand
Stand:- Adults €20 Juveniles €5 each
1 Adult and 2 Juveniles etc.
Family Tickets are available for Terrace

Terrace:- Adults €15 Juveniles €5 each
Senior Citizens & Students (Stand & Terrace):- Purchase full price tickets and on the day of the match they can claim a rebate of  €5 (when they produce appropriate I.D. at Stiles No: 2 (Stand) and Stiles No:20 (Terrace) PRIOR TO ENTRY INTO THE STADIUM.

Wheelchair Tickets:-
The Wheelchair Tickets is free of charge and the Assistant's ticket is €20
GROUP PASSES:- GROUP PASSES (Under 16's) –  STAND/TERRACE
Groups Passes are provided for groups of Juveniles U-16 - €3 each (Terrace) & €5 (Stand) (you are permitted to bring 1 adult free with every ten Juveniles) any additional adults pay full price for their tickets.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 09, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Great to see Kerry beat Dublin earlier. Can anyone in Leinster come close...Kildare?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 09, 2017, 09:14:15 PM
Dublin are fucked. Leinster is ours for the taking
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Helix on April 09, 2017, 09:17:53 PM
Dublin are fucked. Leinster is ours for the taking

That O'Byrne Cup win went to their heads 8).
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 10, 2017, 09:53:35 AM
Dublin are clearly in great shape but I think Kildare could get close to them. By close I mean 5 points or so. That's if they beat the mightly Laois or Longford along the way,
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 10, 2017, 09:58:37 AM
Dublin are clearly in great shape but I think Kildare could get close to them. By close I mean 5 points or so. That's if they beat the mightly Laois or Longford along the way,
I think we shouldn't get caught up focusing on the likes of Kildare or Longford, we should be working on the plan to take down Dublin this very week.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 10, 2017, 10:39:55 AM
Good man Don. Any opinions on the point or? This is the Leinster senior football forum. Do you have any opinion on if anyone can get close to Dublin in Leinster? Or you just going to troll all day. You're So funny; hilarious, Don trolling again, omg somebody stop me laughing  ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 10, 2017, 10:43:58 AM
Good man Don. Any opinions on the point or? This is the Leinster senior football forum. Do you have any opinion on if anyone can get close to Dublin in Leinster? Or you just going to troll all day. You're So funny; hilarious, Don trolling again, omg somebody stop me laughing  ;D
Thanks, I put a lot of thought into that last one, its nice to be appreciated.

Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 10, 2017, 11:17:32 AM
We seem to be the only team that Kildare put away properly. They had so many chances yesterday and in general are very wasteful. Forwards wouldn't be up to much with the exception of Niall Kelly. Half back line and midfield work well too. No reason why they lost that one yesterday other than an inability at times to see it through. most of their problems seem to be mental. Maybe they should imagine the teams they are playing wear the blue and white. Seems to be their red rag.....

Dublin can win Leinster in second gear. Great thing about having a good team is that you can afford to let them down for a while now before working towards August. Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on April 10, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
So do I. That game yesterday, good and all as it was to look at, was still a league game.
McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Cooper, McManamon, O'Donoghue, Enright, Young, Donaghy, Buckley all missing and probably a few more I've forgotten.
September is what counts - no-one remembers league titles (particularly in Kerry!).
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 10, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
So do I. That game yesterday, good and all as it was to look at, was still a league game.
McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Cooper, McManamon, O'Donoghue, Enright, Young, Donaghy, Buckley all missing and probably a few more I've forgotten.
September is what counts - no-one remembers league titles (particularly in Kerry!).


I think this league meant the world to Kerry

Reactions at the end said it all
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on April 10, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
So do I. That game yesterday, good and all as it was to look at, was still a league game.
McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Cooper, McManamon, O'Donoghue, Enright, Young, Donaghy, Buckley all missing and probably a few more I've forgotten.
September is what counts - no-one remembers league titles (particularly in Kerry!).


I think this league meant the world to Kerry

Reactions at the end said it all

I think it was beating Dublin they were getting a bit excited about - the league title was almost secondary to that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 11, 2017, 10:11:37 PM
Yeah, Bomber Liston was on the radio yesterday and articulated himself well. Kerry were celebrating mostly because they beat Dublin as they've come close over the last few years but couldn't get over the line. This will be a big psychological boost for them. The league title was secondary. Kerry have some nice younger footballers coming through, too. Themselves, Mayo, Donegal and Dublin are the only teams who can win the whole job.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 12, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Word is training has stepped up a notch and Creedon has got a lot harder on the lads(maybe realising the soft mearsured approach hadn't worked) but they are responding well and the vibe is up beat ..To quote a player "we were on the floor the first tuesday after the Offaly game and even the next session was torture with hardly a word spoken among the lads but the last week has been good hard very hard but good."

Everybody still involved and rumor of a few coming back as well ...I'm presuming its lads that left of were let go from the panel earlier in the year?Maybe Farrell Hanrahan?

They have a friendly game lined up next week I heard as well.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 12, 2017, 09:19:57 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.

Classic ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 12, 2017, 10:18:41 PM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 12, 2017, 11:58:56 PM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.

Mark was in the Graiguecullen squad last Sunday against St. Joseph's but didn't get a run.
He was out kicking the ball around at half time and looked a bit stiff but in reasonable shape..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Behindthefence on April 13, 2017, 12:26:22 AM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on April 13, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.
He's back doing light training with Laois. I'd imagine he's a non runner for the Longford game - he'd be too far off the pace.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 13, 2017, 09:07:34 AM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
That'd explain it so. He was doing fierce traveling there for a while.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 13, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.

Back doing a light bit in training hopes to step it up a bit in the coming weeks but its early to say if he will be available for a few weeks yet.

Will Prob play a club game first to try it out but at least he is back on the field and in around the squad which gives a boost to everyone as he is well liked and respected by young and old in the panel!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 13, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 16, 2017, 02:12:37 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 16, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Odd use of the phrase fit and autistic in that context. It was a valid query given the use of the term autistic at the time in question. The OP had no issue with explaining himself in due course.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 16, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 16, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
You've really hurt my feelings there. You cut me real deep Shrek.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 16, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
An apology is too classy for you don? That's what I hate about anon forums. If you said that in person to any of his friends or family you'd get a lovely smack in the mouth.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 16, 2017, 04:58:57 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
You've really hurt my feelings there. You cut me real deep Shrek.
Your welcome Thelonious .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 16, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
You've really hurt my feelings there. You cut me real deep Shrek.
Your welcome Thelonious .
"Don't blame me" is a great track. RIP Monk.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 17, 2017, 04:49:41 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Odd use of the phrase fit and autistic in that context. It was a valid query given the use of the term autistic at the time in question. The OP had no issue with explaining himself in due course.

You're reading things into posts that aren't there Donny boy.

Anyway, my post was clearly directed at your hypocrisy and not the other poster's apology, which you seem to think vindicates your original objection. However, it's your subsequent post, sneering at someone's weight, that de-bases your level of butt-hurt at the 'autistic' typo.

I, myself, will reserve the right to call anyone autistic, artistic, hypocritical or whatever. If you don't like one area of society referenced in a post, don't single anyone else out for cheap laughs in your own.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 17, 2017, 07:42:48 PM
Back to topic in hand ...

Laois played a v b game at the weekend anyone here how players went
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 17, 2017, 10:29:54 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Odd use of the phrase fit and autistic in that context. It was a valid query given the use of the term autistic at the time in question. The OP had no issue with explaining himself in due course.

You're reading things into posts that aren't there Donny boy.

Anyway, my post was clearly directed at your hypocrisy and not the other poster's apology, which you seem to think vindicates your original objection. However, it's your subsequent post, sneering at someone's weight, that de-bases your level of butt-hurt at the 'autistic' typo.

I, myself, will reserve the right to call anyone autistic, artistic, hypocritical or whatever. If you don't like one area of society referenced in a post, don't single anyone else out for cheap laughs in your own.
I find it disconcerting that you would see it to be ok to use Autistic as a term of abuse or amusement at such, but hey, its the internet, knock yourself out.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 17, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
Back to topic in hand ...

Laois played a v b game at the weekend anyone here how players went
All things considered, the fact that we have a B team is positive news at least.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 18, 2017, 04:08:27 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Are you seriously not going to apologise for that? Where's Ed when you need him. Disgraceful stuff about a well liked and respected gent.

In relation to Laois, bumped into a panel member over Easter. Things positive in the camp all things considered but still a lot of injuries not cleared up. Apparently VERY heavy going also. Looking back at games in the McNulty era, or even MO'D / Kearns era, we looked in far better condition and fitter compared to last few seasons. We're out of shape this season also, I doubt a heavy April is going to get us up to required speed in May but here we are. Season looks a write off but hoping for the minor chance that we can do something half decent in Summer. Apparently also Timmons has been doing other forms of training for last 2 months to keep up his cardio fitness / strength conditioning so he's likely not too far off the pace, just not at all match fit. He'll get some game time in challenge matches before Longford. We'll need him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 18, 2017, 04:12:05 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Are you seriously not going to apologise for that? Where's Ed when you need him. Disgraceful stuff about a well liked and respected gent.

In relation to Laois, bumped into a panel member over Easter. Things positive in the camp all things considered but still a lot of injuries not cleared up. Apparently VERY heavy going also. Looking back at games in the McNulty era, or even MO'D / Kearns era, we looked in far better condition and fitter compared to last few seasons. We're out of shape this season also, I doubt a heavy April is going to get us up to required speed in May but here we are. Season looks a write off but hoping for the minor chance that we can do something half decent in Summer. Apparently also Timmons has been doing other forms of training for last 2 months to keep up his cardio fitness / strength conditioning so he's likely not too far off the pace, just not at all match fit. He'll get some game time in challenge matches before Longford. We'll need him.

I wonder are they working on defending and tackling!

No amount of heavy work is going to put pace into the team.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 18, 2017, 04:23:30 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Are you seriously not going to apologise for that? Where's Ed when you need him. Disgraceful stuff about a well liked and respected gent.

In relation to Laois, bumped into a panel member over Easter. Things positive in the camp all things considered but still a lot of injuries not cleared up. Apparently VERY heavy going also. Looking back at games in the McNulty era, or even MO'D / Kearns era, we looked in far better condition and fitter compared to last few seasons. We're out of shape this season also, I doubt a heavy April is going to get us up to required speed in May but here we are. Season looks a write off but hoping for the minor chance that we can do something half decent in Summer. Apparently also Timmons has been doing other forms of training for last 2 months to keep up his cardio fitness / strength conditioning so he's likely not too far off the pace, just not at all match fit. He'll get some game time in challenge matches before Longford. We'll need him.

I wonder are they working on defending and tackling!

No amount of heavy work is going to put pace into the team.
Fitness work sadly lacking, 2 years in a row written off. Talk of needing Timmons, Mark is a great servant, but by the sounds of it Tommy Murphy will be needed at this rate.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Clubber Lang on April 18, 2017, 07:11:28 PM
I was hoping that some of Laois' poor league performances were down to them being heavy-legged due to putting in serious training sessions between league games but that it would ultimately pay off come the Summer. Sadly that's not the case and it's worrying to hear that they only stepping up training now. It might pay dividends but it feels like a last roll of the dice from the management in the hope that something positive will come of it.

Great to have a player of Timmons caliber back playing. One of few true leaders that we have. Realistically, he's not going to be 100% by the Summer but even at 80% would be well worth his place. I think management need to work on tweeking the zonal approach to defending that Laois teams seem to have adopted the last number of years-players happy enough to 'be in their zone' rather than fighting tooth and nail to win the ball ahead of their opponent and making life as difficult as possible for their direct opponent. I'd be happy if our backs put 100% concentration into defending/winning ball as opposed to making runs up the field and constantly looking to get on ball and provide a score. Too often when attacks break down (which they often do) we are left totally exposed on the counter attack and provide our opposition with too much space and room to run in to. We have a talented full-forward line in Kingston, O'Carroll and Walsh. Let's get the ball in to them quick and early and see what they can produce rather than having our half-backs/midfield carrying the ball up the field and allowing the opposition funnel back players who ultimately crowd out and break down our attacks. Kerry provided a blue print against Dublin of what can be achieved by moving ball quickly into your chief score getters.         
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on April 18, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
I was hoping that some of Laois' poor league performances were down to them being heavy-legged due to putting in serious training sessions between league games but that it would ultimately pay off come the Summer. Sadly that's not the case and it's worrying to hear that they only stepping up training now. It might pay dividends but it feels like a last roll of the dice from the management in the hope that something positive will come of it.

Great to have a player of Timmons caliber back playing. One of few true leaders that we have. Realistically, he's not going to be 100% by the Summer but even at 80% would be well worth his place. I think management need to work on tweeking the zonal approach to defending that Laois teams seem to have adopted the last number of years-players happy enough to 'be in their zone' rather than fighting tooth and nail to win the ball ahead of their opponent and making life as difficult as possible for their direct opponent. I'd be happy if our backs put 100% concentration into defending/winning ball as opposed to making runs up the field and constantly looking to get on ball and provide a score. Too often when attacks break down (which they often do) we are left totally exposed on the counter attack and provide our opposition with too much space and room to run in to. We have a talented full-forward line in Kingston, O'Carroll and Walsh. Let's get the ball in to them quick and early and see what they can produce rather than having our half-backs/midfield carrying the ball up the field and allowing the opposition funnel back players who ultimately crowd out and break down our attacks. Kerry provided a blue print against Dublin of what can be achieved by moving ball quickly into your chief score getters.         

It's Laois we're taking about here, we don't do defending, we love our wing backs to bomb forward.
This defending thing is for much lesser counties, you do realise a manager was hauled before an EGM not so long ago for attempting such heresy.
Seriously we had some notions back then" bullocks notions" perhaps but non the less we had notions.
What's real is we don't do defending that's now part of our culture.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on April 19, 2017, 10:18:08 AM
How can a well paid team manager, justify only now getting his team fit? What was he doing all winter? What is he being paid for?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 19, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
How can a well paid team manager, justify only now getting his team fit? What was he doing all winter? What is he being paid for?

Working on discipline  :D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 19, 2017, 06:00:08 PM
It takes more than a few months to get proper fit, you absolute donkeys.

 :)

Creedon was dealt a very poor hand, not sure why you can't see that. He doesn't have a magic wand - our players have been out of shape / not fit enough since we kicked Justin McNulty out. You can't get back to that shape in a few months.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 19, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
Not a happy camp in there at the minute,,,,our players are treating it like a club team and have been all year
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 19, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
It takes more than a few months to get proper fit, you absolute donkeys.

What are you basing this on?
The more you post here the more obvious it is that you know absolutely NOTHING about team preparation, management responsibilities, management function and a whole host of other things that are intrinsic to preparation and performance.

Laois are training since last November (I assume?).
You have seen more of Laois than I have this year. It is who claim they are not fit enough. What excuse is there for this? His own backroom team, county board support and the new pitches beside O' Moore Park.

Watch the "donkey" talk. You don't seem particularly knowledgeable in the area you are trying to hold court in.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on April 20, 2017, 12:08:10 AM
What I am hearing is that things are not going well at all at the moment . Training has changed but there is a distinct lack of professionalism to the set up and lot of players are just going through the motions which is disappointing to hear.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 20, 2017, 07:56:40 AM
It takes more than a few months to get proper fit, you absolute donkeys.

What are you basing this on?
The more you post here the more obvious it is that you know absolutely NOTHING about team preparation, management responsibilities, management function and a whole host of other things that are intrinsic to preparation and performance.

Laois are training since last November (I assume?).
You have seen more of Laois than I have this year. It is who claim they are not fit enough. What excuse is there for this? His own backroom team, county board support and the new pitches beside O' Moore Park.

Watch the "donkey" talk. You don't seem particularly knowledgeable in the area you are trying to hold court in.
What you're doing is just copying what others have posted and taking that as fact. "Oh they've upped the training in April so that means they weren't training properly before that". That is false. For Laois to make a right go of this season, we'd need to have a very good base fitness coming into the season. That was not present. Do you think Dublin, Mayo or Donegal lads or the top 8-12 counties came into December as unfit as our lads? Course not. It's just the culture in smaller unsuccessful counties. Not the players fault but to blame Creedon exposes your ignorance on the topic. Fitness = cardio, strength and conditioning. These can be improved in a few months but it takes YEARS to build up the levels that the top 8 - 12 teams in the country have. We're way off that required level but it seems that your only answer for that is Creedon. My opinion is that some posters are not looking at the whole picture and basing their opinion on a few posts on a forum.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Giovanni on April 20, 2017, 10:21:42 AM
As a matter of interest, how many years do you think it takes to achieve inter-county fitness levels?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 20, 2017, 12:55:42 PM
Tony, are you Peter Creedon or a member of the committee that appointed him?

When he was appointed we were being told by posters on here that he was here to save the day.
It just about stopped short of "he knows everything- long live Peter".

Now the excuses have rolled since.
1) Players out injured
2) We are not good enough anyways
3) Players being stupid and getting sent off (and again....and again)
4) Division 4 is about our level anyways
5) They are not fit because of the last two managers.
6) Leave him alone, you're so mean to Peter. I like Peter. Peter is lovely.

As a matter of interest what championship games did we lose last year because the other team were fitter than us?
We didn't look any less fit than Armagh for example last July. (peak season for both Armagh and Laois). So if McGeeney is as thorough in his preparations and particularly in terms of fitness as we think he is, and we didn't look any less fit than Armagh last July.......it sounds like our fitness side of things weren't exactly disastrous last year.
Creedon wasn't coming in to Fat Club or to try and coach the Underdogs to play Kerry.

What you're doing is just copying what others have posted and taking that as fact. "Oh they've upped the training in April so that means they weren't training properly before that". That is false.
I think you will find that you are the only poster that I referenced in my post- and your assertion that Laois are not fit enough. Unless of course you are saying that what you posted is "false"?

Fitness = cardio, strength and conditioning. These can be improved in a few months but it takes YEARS to build up the levels that the top 8 - 12 teams in the country have. We're way off that required level but it seems that your only answer for that is Creedon.

2 things.
1) I think you will find that I used the term "preparation" and not the term "fitness".There is a whole lot more to this than "fitness".
2) Why are you talking about the top 8-12 teams in the country? All we had to do was be as "fit" and well prepared as teams 20 & 21- in this years league Offaly and Longford- hardly powerhouses. Along with Louth, Antrim and Sligo they didn't exactly kick until late August in 2016. They haven't exactly been renowned for their incredible fitness levels for the past 3 years. What fantastic base did Colin Kelly have to work with in Louth? Or Pat Flanagan in Offaly?
NOBODY is asking for Laois to suddenly be as "fit" and well prepared as the top 8-12 teams. Stop deflecting.

but it seems that your only answer for that is Creedon.

Wrong, again. I have never stated that the only problem is Creedon. BUT the failings of this management team are at some stage going to have to be accepted for what they are.
How long more can everything be the fault of TOF and ML?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 20, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
Let's forget about Creedon for now.

The players aren't there. Simple as. We were exposed in the league as we've no strength in depth especially with the injuries. The seagulls in the sky could see that. Could you not see it? As you say I guess, you were hardly at any matches.

And yeah I was one of those delighted that Creedon got the job last autumn. But with this league and the last 10 seasons of poor performances : I finally realised: you know what, the players are not there in Laois at the moment and everyone knows we weren't helped with injuries. Division 3 is about our standard. When will you realise that too Keyser? Took me a while I must admit. And we don't have any beanos or joe higgins or tom kellys coming through can't you see that also? Creedon is irrelevant. He's doing the same job as the next man would. We are just not good and Jim Gavin wouldn't have us much better.

Still, on a positive note: I genuinely believe that even if your players have the ability of an average Junior B side, if they're trying their best, it's always a joy to support them win or lose. We'll likely just have to get used to the latter in the next 5 years anyway. Quite a lot of it I'd say.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 20, 2017, 09:28:29 PM
Let's forget about Creedon for now.

The players aren't there. Simple as. We were exposed in the league as we've no strength in depth especially with the injuries. The seagulls in the sky could see that. Could you not see it? As you say I guess, you were hardly at any matches.

And yeah I was one of those delighted that Creedon got the job last autumn. But with this league and the last 10 seasons of poor performances : I finally realised: you know what, the players are not there in Laois at the moment and everyone knows we weren't helped with injuries. Division 3 is about our standard. When will you realise that too Keyser? Took me a while I must admit. And we don't have any beanos or joe higgins or tom kellys coming through can't you see that also? Creedon is irrelevant. He's doing the same job as the next man would. We are just not good and Jim Gavin wouldn't have us much better.

Still, on a positive note: I genuinely believe that even if your players have the ability of an average Junior B side, if they're trying their best, it's always a joy to support them win or lose. We'll likely just have to get used to the latter in the next 5 years anyway. Quite a lot of it I'd say.

You just don't get it.
I give up.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on April 20, 2017, 10:47:34 PM
Depressing  if thats true about the players going thru the motions.

No matter what the level of ability in the squad the least they deserve is a  professional setup.

Very disappointing to hear . . .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 20, 2017, 11:24:20 PM
Depressing  if thats true about the players going thru the motions.

No matter what the level of ability in the squad the least they deserve is a  professional setup.

Very disappointing to hear . . .

Don't believe all you hear.....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 21, 2017, 10:08:01 AM
Hearsay is annoying.

The players DID NOT say "We're going through the motions".

You heard that quote interpretation from a poster who was talking to someone who knew a lad who knew a player once.

Take that quote with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 21, 2017, 10:22:53 AM
keyser soze some great points i think you are showing up tony here,,his lack of gaa knowledge def comming to the fore
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 21, 2017, 10:55:18 AM
This forum has become so ridiculously puerile. Really miss the Laoistalk forum which had editorial control to put managers on people.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 11:25:51 AM
Unfortunately the forum cannot be self moderated but I would agree with you some of the posts are getting very childish which takes from decent discussion on the subject.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on April 21, 2017, 12:04:07 PM
This forum has become so ridiculously puerile. Really miss the Laoistalk forum which had editorial control to put managers on people.

Ye, Hogan Standish
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 01:30:09 PM
Lads can't accept we're not good enough - at all levels. We do things particularly badly in Laois and we are where we are because of it. Whose precise fault it is remains unclear. I personally think everyone should shoulder some of the blame - even supporters, who have shown that they don't care. Maybe Peter Creedon is no good. I don't know enough about his methods to say that with certainty. I do know our players fairly well, and I don't think they are good enough. I don't think some of them are anywhere near county standard, and are only there because others don't fancy it. As for going through the motions, you'd wonder at any lad who commits time to a county panel and then swans about. Going back to Tullamore, I walked away thinking that a lad who did no training could be as effective as some of them who played. That's nothing to do with training. That's a lack of effort. Time to face the undeniable facts. Nobody wants to coach a very ordinary panel of footballers in a county where so many lads (be they on the panel or otherwise) don't put in the required effort. And, because nobody wants to coach a panel of ordinary footballers in a county where nobody gives a shite any more, you can't expect too much.

We are a patchwork quilt of a football team just now. So many lads out of position and so many lads not good enough. To me, they are beyond criticism. I can see the problems with my own two eyes. Young James Kelly and Strong got run over the entire league, targeted and passed on countless occasions. They are not corner backs. Hanrahan, Kehoe, Seale and Healy are. Problems that can't be fixed by Creedon. Square pegs in round holes.Not our only problem, but certainly one of our biggest. Creedon might be a problem, and again I can't say that with certainty, but he has what he has, and in my opinion he hasn't got what he should have, and what he does have, is not good enough.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 21, 2017, 04:46:36 PM
I don't think we are Div 1 team, but we certainly have the players to be mid table Div 2.  This is the sort of bollox talk of crap management in any business, or team.   I am not saying we would beat Kerry but we certainly have the players to beat Offaly, Antrim or Sligo.  It's childish that we pointed out the manager was a joke even before he started, but it is not childish to in the face of bare faced logic stand behind this farce.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
I just posted the names of four corner backs who have been replaced by half backs at best. Analyse the thing properly instead of spouting this half baked crap about being a division two team. We're not the f**king colour of it apart from when you're dreaming.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
You need good corner backs. Would we have won anything without the likes of Joe and Aidan Fennelly in the corners?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 06:22:22 PM
You need players playing in their natural position at the very least. You also need the best available person in each position. Lads on here don't care about the turnover of players or injuries and availability. They keep peddling this ridiculous notion that we can suck it up. Well here's the headline. We can't. Ballyroan saying we're Division 2 is the cherry. Even his own man McMahon is a long way shy of what's needed these days. Sad but true. Can we blame Peter Creedon for a lad getting older too? Dung. Absolute dung
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 21, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Unbelievable, from the very beginning I said this management choice was uninspired it turned out even worse.  At the beginning I was called an idiot and stupid.  So we are back full circle again I am an idiot and stupid, however I will say it now our players and clubs are no worse than 24 other counties.   We continually knock our own, be it managers or players.   We bring in clowns, pay them and then are shocked when it goes wrong.  Peter Creedon will have no success in Laois because he is a moderate, uninspired choice who has little knowledge of Laois football.   This county is a political minefield I said months ago that Creedon would get us relegated and even after relegation things will get worse.  This county is afraid of doing the right thing.  If you think knocking McMahon is the thing to do go right ahead,  I never said he had a divine right to be on the county team.   We would gladly have him back in Ballyroan where he is appreciated.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
I didn't knock the lad. He doesn't have the legs he once had. Neither do I. Just a fact of life. Nobody's fault, and of course I appreciate his commitment.

As for your ridiculous overrating of Laois football, I'll forgive your obvious bias. Your own club couldn't beat a one man team last year in the Championship. It is low grade football played in the main by poor footballers and poor teams. Start being realistic. If it was as good as all that, and let us suppose Peter Creedon was the class clown, we still wouldn't be in Division 4. There's much more to all this than the Senior management.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 08:43:01 AM
I think you will find quite a few County Teams had trouble with him too.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Nobody who is anybody wanted the Laois job Ballyroan. I think you know that. Nobody in Laois has the CV to get the job. I think you know that too. I don't know what your expectations are built on, but to me you can't see the glaringly obvious. A lot of the players on the panel are not good enough. Analyse the games. Look at the fault lines. Don't be as naive to say we have 15 players , we are Laois and I expect better. It doesn't work like that. We're more than a good senior coach away from turning the corner.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
I do think the players we have are talented enough to be knocking around Div 2,  Laois Football is no longer at a crossroads it's actually quite abit down the road to a desperate state.  At the core of this is the County Board & The Clubs.  Like it or lump we are not professional in our business (it's not easy when you are depending on volunteers).  I am with you on we cannot afford a huge Hollywood type manager but we could of went down the road of creating one.  We need inspiration and what's going on is a a never ending circle of downward performance.   We don't have a strategy or hope to take us out of this we are just waiting for it to happen.  Unfortunately as I get older this just does not happen you have to make it happen.  My thoughts on getting one of our own Club Managers to take the team is A) They are cheaper B) They know the task they face & C) One of them may just be the man.  This in turn would "hopefully pick up performances" leading to improvements off the pitch.  Maybe it's a fairy tale but I gasp in horror with the hurlers celebrating beating Kerry (should be a matter of fact) and the footballers heading for likewise scenario's.  I happened upon this article from 2009 this morning it was interesting.

ends
   
What happened the promising Laois minors?

Quote:
Laois kids' futures all in the past

They never built on their massive underage success and now there are too many egos and not enough honest effort to haul them to the top
Ewan MacKenna

Whitewash: Laois's 15-point defeat against Kildare in the Leinster SFC semi-final was one in a series of heavy losses they have suffered this year Back in 2005, as Laois made their way to Croke Park for an All Ireland quarter-final against Armagh, the first enemy outpost they reached was Athy. There was no hiding the fact either. The south Kildare town was draped with election-style posters, each one reading "Ulster Says No To The Queen's County". They were the work of one local man who'd spent dawn on a rickety stepladder but they encapsulated the sentiments of many in Kildare. There was a jealousy and bitterness that came from not just how well their rivals are doing, but how successful they could be.

Just four years on and Laois should be in a stronger position still, yet all that's left is the wreckage from last Saturday's Leinster semi-final against Kildare and there is very little to salvage from that. As good as their one provincial title and handful of years challenging as a top-eight team were, this is an underage superpower now acting like an irritating rogue state. Since 1996 they have won three All Ireland minor titles. That's more than Dublin, Galway, Mayo, Cork, Kerry and Armagh combined and only Tyrone have achieved more. They've won six Leinster minor titles in that same period too and have won three provincial under-21 titles since 1998.

Yet 40 minutes into last Saturday's clash with Kildare, Laois fans were deserting O'Connor Park and with all that has gone on, the side are in danger of being known as the Queens' County.

It's not a new phenomenon either. In fact it's the fourth time Laois have been embarrassed this year. Bernard Flynn may have talked about the ferocity of a training session he witnessed in the build-up to the game but that masked a side packed with too many egos and that had already been blitzed by Kildare, Monaghan and Cork in the league by an average of 12 points.

The problem is rooted in the past and it's developed into a culture of arrogance that's gone on too long to change. Mick O'Dwyer recently said of the side in this confession box, "He [Fergal Byron] was speaking from his heart because he gave me a wonderful commitment while I was there. Others couldn't say that. There was marvellous material in Laois but they were never as willing to give the same commitment as I got in Kildare. They didn't have the commitment or the same drive." But others there during O'Dwyer's four-year stint put that down as an understatement.

"Micko didn't care after a while because there was nothing he could do about what was going on," says a source familiar with what went on at the time. "But in Kildare guys would run up mountains for that man just because he said so. In Laois they needed explanations. Now that wasn't all of them but there were boys there who would fake injury during laps just to get out of them. All the talent in the world and most of it wasted in that place."

During O'Dwyer's final year, the most successful manager of them all was questioned by a side with just a single provincial title to their name. They ridiculed his methods, demanded change and modernisation and got the beating of a lifetime against Dublin. They didn't learn from that either though because O'Dwyer was far from the only manager to suffer at their hands. When Liam Kearns came to the county in 2007, it was to move forward a career that had seen him take Limerick to the brink of a Munster title. But there was a stage when he couldn't even find a player able to captain Laois. Ross Munnelly was said to be too selfish on the ball, Joe Higgins and Tom Kelly didn't show up for the league and after that there was a void when it came to finding a leader.

And Kearns faced far more startling problems than finding a recipient for an armband. Two players in the side had tried to move towards professionalism, refusing to play for Laois until they were sponsored to do so. What had once been ripe and vibrant was rotten to the core. A member of the Laois set-up at the time who wishes to remain nameless takes it further.

"They were put on a pedestal in Laois after winning those minor titles. If you go in to a pub there are pictures on the wall, there's someone there to buy them a pint and remind them of when they won underage All Irelands. You get that respect for winning senior titles in other counties. And they are making the same mistakes. Before it was Beano and Munnelly, now it's Donie Kingston and Tierney who are elevated too high. Some young guys go into the dressing room and think they rule it. The older guys never put them in their place. No leadership. It's gone too far in Laois and there's no going back. Mentally it's frightening just how weak they are."

Even current manager Seán Dempsey has experienced it and he's only in his first year. A former under-21 manager who dropped Donie Brennan before a 2006 All Ireland semi-final, he was forced to do it again this season officially for alcohol-related breaches of discipline but unofficially for a lack of effort in training. Yet within days, Brennan's club manager Nicky McGrath wrote to a local paper. "If this is correct then I would suggest that at least 50 per cent of the panel should have been dropped," he said.

It's not a coincidence that the only times Laois managed to act as a normal group of footballers were in '03 and '05, the year they captured Leinster and the year they peaked. Since then things have been out of control.

Late last year the players were all given gym membership, as was the case in Kildare, but last Saturday it was clear which group had been pushing themselves to the limit eight months ago. On top of that, three nights training each week doesn't cover for three nights socialising in the same week and while such accusations are aimed at limited numbers on the panel, last Saturday also showed that you can't cover for a colleague at the highest level.

In truth Dempsey neither commanded nor demanded respect from this side but if they weren't willing to respect O'Dwyer, then who will they respect? And when Dempsey realises he'd be better off doing pretty much anything else, who will want to take over such a group? After all, you can't force heart and dedication on a team and it appears they aren't going to force it upon themselves.

Not until Friday did the panel get back into training after their mauling six days previous. In the intervening period many had seen their pictures on the walls and glimpsed back at better days. They might have realised then that their future is buried deeply in the past.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on April 22, 2017, 12:12:50 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 01:34:53 PM
high fielder apart from portlaoise what other team in the last 4 year beat arles killeen??or do you no,,thats a cheap shot at ballyroan abu,,on tha article for me is a load of horshite from a kildare man yes,,,micko is gone what ten year now ,,,the players dont care about the management anyone that that is local knows how much there out and about socialising flat out every weekend,,as stated they treat it like a club team,,they dont care anymore they just like the thought of been recognised as a laois player in my eyes,,div 4 is an absolute disgrace,,,from top to bottom laois football stinks at the minute,
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 22, 2017, 02:02:29 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 02:55:26 PM
high fielder apart from portlaoise what other team in the last 4 year beat arles killeen??or do you no,,thats a cheap shot at ballyroan abu,,on tha article for me is a load of horshite from a kildare man yes,,,micko is gone what ten year now ,,,the players dont care about the management anyone that that is local knows how much there out and about socialising flat out every weekend,,as stated they treat it like a club team,,they dont care anymore they just like the thought of been recognised as a laois player in my eyes,,div 4 is an absolute disgrace,,,from top to bottom laois football stinks at the minute,

Arles Killeen are a one man team. On the subject of Portlaoise, why do so.many players out out? Some of the best players in the county too. Are they moral objectors, because Laois football is an "absolute disgrace"?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on April 22, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
How much of what McKenna wrote in that article is actually untrue?

A lot of what goes on here,wouldn't be tolerated in any mildly successful county
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on April 22, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.

Jealous of what exactly?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 04:50:35 PM
High Fielder be fair.
Michael Leigh (prob get on most teams in the county)
Donie Brennan(better that what we have)
Jason Enright (decent enough)
O Sheas Decent at club level
Shane Julian decent at club level
Paul Kingston (County Player)

BallyroanAbbey
McMahon, Conroy and Tierney & alot of chaps U19

I thought we did ok
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 07:18:58 PM
They were a one man team that day and they're a one man team today. I'm going to end my exchanges with you Ballyroan by asking you this question. Do you think the panel that Creedon has available to him is good enough to be a Division 2 team?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 07:23:17 PM
High fielder I'm asking you who was the last club team to beat Arles Killeen apart from portlaoise????????
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 08:35:21 PM
I haven't a clue. Your question is designed to put Killeen in a good light. I don't rate Killeen. I don't rate Stradbally and for what it's worth, I think Portlaoise dropped the ball in a big way by not winning 10 in a row in a piss poor county. There is little if no talent coming out of Laois at the moment. We can't tackle, we can't defend and we don't like hard work. In short, we are wasting our time. You and your buddy blame Creedon for all this, which to me is a joke. Do you know why Portlaoise players swerve the county set up? Can you tell me who is meant to replace them? And should we place the same expectations on players even though we know they are inferior from the get go? Look closer to home if you want to know why Laois is REALLY failing as a county.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 08:42:50 PM
I like the way you said you haven't a clue ,, in Leinster club championship portlaoise we're mostly beaten by Dublin teams who had a load of imported county players other than that they would have had a hat of Leinster crowns,,, you think our club foootball is bad? Go to an Offaly Kildare Wexford Meath club game there all poor,,, there is players in every county ,,, Meath beat Laois by 20-25 points in 2002,,2003 we win Leinster 2004 unlucky 2005 unlucky 20007 best team won,,, same players so yes high fielder you haven't a clue
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
And how many Portlaoise players are on the county panel?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 08:48:34 PM
Brody ....Dillon..Lilis... that makes 3
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 08:56:16 PM
Exactly. 3. Two subs and a goalie. How can a team as dominant as Portlaoise not have at least one outfield starter on the Laois team? Something badly wrong there don't you think? You and Ballyroan just love analysing things without facts. And these are the facts town180.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 09:01:20 PM
Is that  not a management issue??? Dillon for me ide start yes,, Lilis is hurt at the minute with his ankle and is he good enough to start i  have my doubts... cahaline does not want to commit Conor Boyle is up in Dundalk has played fek all league games it's his club and Healy is hurling so,,, tell me
Who else is good enough to play senior inter COUNTY in that club????????
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Ha ha. You keep tripping yourself up. You're basically saying that the most dominant team in Laois has nothing much to offer the county. That Peter Creedon is some bollix alright. Enjoy your football lad. You're not my cup of tea but Ballyroan Abu and yourself, assuming you're not friends or related already, will make good buddies
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 22, 2017, 09:39:30 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.
And spends his days getting into twitter rages with random sports people. An odd individual.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
I haven't a clue. Your question is designed to put Killeen in a good light. I don't rate Killeen. I don't rate Stradbally and for what it's worth, I think Portlaoise dropped the ball in a big way by not winning 10 in a row in a piss poor county. There is little if no talent coming out of Laois at the moment. We can't tackle, we can't defend and we don't like hard work. In short, we are wasting our time. You and your buddy blame Creedon for all this, which to me is a joke. Do you know why Portlaoise players swerve the county set up? Can you tell me who is meant to replace them? And should we place the same expectations on players even though we know they are inferior from the get go? Look closer to home if you want to know why Laois is REALLY failing as a county.

Can you tell me a club team in Leinster you do rate outside of Dublin so we can get a comparison.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 10:29:24 PM
I've a better idea Ballyroan. Let's just leave it. We don't agree. We're never likely to agree, and people probably just want to talk about the team. You and town are right about everything you say. We should burn Peter Creedon at the stake and Padraig Clancy should get the job immediately. Thank you both for showing us the light.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on April 22, 2017, 10:44:03 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.
And spends his days getting into twitter rages with random sports people. An odd individual.
Odd is kind. He's deranged.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 11:58:08 PM
But just for arguments sake can you name a club you admire outside of Dublin in Leinster to get a feel for how bad the players are in Laois.

I don't think we have particularly bad players I just think the overall strategy behind football development and preparation (if we have one) is dreadful.

I am open to any young Laois Man getting the job not particularly tied to anyone.   

Creedon is been paid which has sucked money from everywhere else as well as this to add insult to injury he has probably lost us quite abit in revenue as nobody is going to bothered going to Laois Matches except the die hards.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 23, 2017, 12:33:44 AM
Creedon is been paid which has sucked money from everywhere else as well as this to add insult to injury he has probably lost us quite abit in revenue as nobody is going to bothered going to Laois Matches except the die hards.

This is it.
You can be sure he is being well remunerated, along with his own extensive backroom team.

Meanwhile the overall problems with Laois football are not being addressed. Some extra money to spend on projects related to this would be handy!
We were told that this appointment would prove good value as it would be one that influence all facets of Laois football. He doesn't even appear to be doing the primary role of his job particularly well.

If we are shite anyway, well then stop wasting money on Creedon and his band of helpers. Give it to someone cheaper from within Laois and use the money saved to develop from the bottom up.
We can't exactly fall any further.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 23, 2017, 12:52:40 AM
Since 03 my high fielder give me the names from the town who av dominated our county team,,, i nvr said who to replace creedon,,, a good united club team yes ,,,don't have some quality to play inter county that's plain to be seen ,,, there lucky they get gimps like us who follow them to county finals and beyond but does that make inter county material my sir nooooooooo,,, Aidan fennelly yeees Kevin fitz yessss Ian fitz gave up early due to work after that give me names u clown ????????ur football knowledge is limited sir ,, I want our Laois lads full of pride and yes high fielder there's none there... because no manager can inspire our teams FACT or make them BELIEVE they can achieve that's why we're div 4....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 23, 2017, 01:01:15 AM
Oh and you have 14 years there to give me the names high fielder??? I'll be waiting
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 23, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
I wouldn't waste my time High Fielder. These lads are a right headache. Not acknowledging the clear facts. We at least acknowledge that Creedon isn't the best manager in the country by a long shot. But these other lads don't seem to acknowledge the state that laois football is in, in general, and seem to focus ONLY on creedon + his backround team. If it's so bad, why no players have left setup? I hear they have faith in setup and are determined to redeem themselves come championship. Anyway, Is a lose lose argument. Let's leave it there. I'll be tuning out until championship time. My prediction for what it's worth:

Laois to beat Longford by 4 - 6 points.
Laois to lose to Kildare by 5-7 points.
Laois to win 1 or 2 qualifiers.
The end.
See ye's in summer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on April 24, 2017, 06:22:29 PM
First post here so go easy on me. I used to post on the old Laoistalk forum. Recognise some old names here and I recognise some who have changed their usernames.

I think a lot of my posts on the old forum were defending Justin McNulty and also saying what a mistake it was to get rid of him. I think everyone accepts at this stage that it was a huge blunder and the results before and after his reign proves this. We had a team that was fit, strong, organised and most of all competitive. It wasn't all perfect but it was a lot better than what we have now.

He was ran out of the county because we in Laois were too good for that 'Northern style' football, we have natural, classy footballers, let's go out and attack teams! Well how did that go for us? We're now in division 4 instead of competing in division 1 or the higher part of division 2 and we've been knocked out by Clare, Antrim and Tipperary instead of running the reigning All Ireland champions Dublin and Donegal to a few points.

It's been a complete disaster of a move and let's not fool ourselves into thinking we had better players then. A lot of the players were the same and we didn't even have Donie when we were beating Monaghan and Meath in 2012. What would be the score against those teams now?

We have also seen in the last few years that everyone has accepted that you must organise yourselves defensively to compete, everyone! Dublin thought they could outscore teams at will and Donegal taught them a lesson, Kerry have had 'the blanket defense' for a good few years now. It's time we in Laois copped ourselves on.

Despite the myth that it's not in Laois players psyche to play defensive football, it clearly is the best method for us to compete. Defending in numbers and counter attacking at pace with Donie and another player playing inside is what we're best suited too. Our best performances in the past few years have all been when using this system.

We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Creedon hasn't made a good start but we should give him the championship to make a judgement. It's obvious to all that we don't have many players coming through but that's a separate issue to the current senior team. The development of players has to be done at a young age and we need serious change to how we go about this but the manager of the senior team has to work with what he has and Creedon has to do better than he has up to this.

There have been a lot of injuries though, get them right for the championship and implement the right system and I think we'll have a similar campaign to what Tony thinks above.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 25, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Welcome (back) nameless. I agree with almost everything you say except the pace part. We have power for sure but too many players that get burned too easily. O'Connor, Attride and Donagher have plenty of pace but after that, we are a pretty slow team. An organized defence also requires pace to get lads tracking back and disrupting runs. We let players run through us because we simply can't catch them. I too was a big McNulty fan. He never got the attacking system working but always said that you had to build a cultural foundation of defensive structure before evolving to that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 25, 2017, 11:30:54 AM
We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Welcome (back) nameless. I agree with almost everything you say except the pace part. We have power for sure but too many players that get burned too easily. O'Connor, Attride and Donagher have plenty of pace but after that, we are a pretty slow team. An organized defence also requires pace to get lads tracking back and disrupting runs. We let players run through us because we simply can't catch them. I too was a big McNulty fan. He never got the attacking system working but always said that you had to build a cultural foundation of defensive structure before evolving to that.
First post here so go easy on me. I used to post on the old Laoistalk forum. Recognise some old names here and I recognise some who have changed their usernames.

I think a lot of my posts on the old forum were defending Justin McNulty and also saying what a mistake it was to get rid of him. I think everyone accepts at this stage that it was a huge blunder and the results before and after his reign proves this. We had a team that was fit, strong, organised and most of all competitive. It wasn't all perfect but it was a lot better than what we have now.

He was ran out of the county because we in Laois were too good for that 'Northern style' football, we have natural, classy footballers, let's go out and attack teams! Well how did that go for us? We're now in division 4 instead of competing in division 1 or the higher part of division 2 and we've been knocked out by Clare, Antrim and Tipperary instead of running the reigning All Ireland champions Dublin and Donegal to a few points.

It's been a complete disaster of a move and let's not fool ourselves into thinking we had better players then. A lot of the players were the same and we didn't even have Donie when we were beating Monaghan and Meath in 2012. What would be the score against those teams now?

We have also seen in the last few years that everyone has accepted that you must organise yourselves defensively to compete, everyone! Dublin thought they could outscore teams at will and Donegal taught them a lesson, Kerry have had 'the blanket defense' for a good few years now. It's time we in Laois copped ourselves on.

Despite the myth that it's not in Laois players psyche to play defensive football, it clearly is the best method for us to compete. Defending in numbers and counter attacking at pace with Donie and another player playing inside is what we're best suited too. Our best performances in the past few years have all been when using this system.

We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Creedon hasn't made a good start but we should give him the championship to make a judgement. It's obvious to all that we don't have many players coming through but that's a separate issue to the current senior team. The development of players has to be done at a young age and we need serious change to how we go about this but the manager of the senior team has to work with what he has and Creedon has to do better than he has up to this.

There have been a lot of injuries though, get them right for the championship and implement the right system and I think we'll have a similar campaign to what Tony thinks above.

Sense at last, don't know if you wanted to be associated with me but I think these two are on point.  Pace is key but you don't have to be overly skilful to be good defensively just organised,fit, hardworking and willing. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 25, 2017, 12:17:11 PM
Welcome back Nameless...you'll be fine. Just trying to figure out who Huey is.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 25, 2017, 12:27:15 PM
Reading Jack Nolans column on Laoistoday.ie and he makes a point of having a go at underage coaching standards in the county over the past few years.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on April 25, 2017, 12:55:06 PM
Welcome back Nameless...you'll be fine. Just trying to figure out who Huey is.

High fielder   ?

I cant figure anyone else except the obvious