Clerical abuse!

Started by D4S, May 20, 2009, 05:09:14 PM

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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

The State
The Church
Split 50/50

muppet

They have learned nothing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/archbishop-jozef-wesolowski-extradition_n_4577241.html

Archbishop Jozef Wesolowski will not be extradited to his native Poland, despite accusations of sex abuse there and in the Dominican Republic, where he served as papal nuncio until his August 2013 dismissal.

The Warsaw Office of the Prosecutor reported the the Vatican had tersely replied to their extradition request, saying that "Archbishop Wesolowski is a citizen of the Vatican, and Vatican law does not allow for his extradition," according to Catholic Culture.

Polish TV channel N24 commented that "The Holy See's response is concise and fits in a half-page. The letter's authors noted that the Vatican is investigating the Catholic hierarch about the alleged practice of pedophilia," according to Dominican Today.

The Vatican recalled Wesolowski to Rome before Dominican prosecutors announced their investigation, though it said that it was cooperating with prosecutors. Wesolowski is the highest-ranking Vatican official to be investigated for sex abuse, and his case raises questions of sovereignty when it comes to prosecution.

At the time of the recall, Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi denied that the Vatican was trying to shield Wesolowski.

According to The Tablet, Wesolowski is currently believed to be living in the Vatican.
MWWSI 2017

orangeman

Quote from: muppet on January 12, 2014, 03:34:04 PM
They have learned nothing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/archbishop-jozef-wesolowski-extradition_n_4577241.html

Archbishop Jozef Wesolowski will not be extradited to his native Poland, despite accusations of sex abuse there and in the Dominican Republic, where he served as papal nuncio until his August 2013 dismissal.

The Warsaw Office of the Prosecutor reported the the Vatican had tersely replied to their extradition request, saying that "Archbishop Wesolowski is a citizen of the Vatican, and Vatican law does not allow for his extradition," according to Catholic Culture.

Polish TV channel N24 commented that "The Holy See's response is concise and fits in a half-page. The letter's authors noted that the Vatican is investigating the Catholic hierarch about the alleged practice of pedophilia," according to Dominican Today.

The Vatican recalled Wesolowski to Rome before Dominican prosecutors announced their investigation, though it said that it was cooperating with prosecutors. Wesolowski is the highest-ranking Vatican official to be investigated for sex abuse, and his case raises questions of sovereignty when it comes to prosecution.

At the time of the recall, Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi denied that the Vatican was trying to shield Wesolowski.

According to The Tablet, Wesolowski is currently believed to be living in the Vatican.[/i]


No change.

theskull1

Quote from: muppet on January 12, 2014, 03:34:04 PM
The Warsaw Office of the Prosecutor reported the the Vatican had tersely replied to their extradition request, saying that "Archbishop Wesolowski is a citizen of the Vatican, and Vatican law does not allow for his extradition," according to Catholic Culture.

They're only obeying their laws  ::)

As bare faced as ever
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

orangeman

Francis is making all the right soundings and hop just when you think that real change is in the offing, along comes this story.

What a shame.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: hardstation on January 13, 2014, 12:20:05 AM
Disgusting.
About the same as someone stealing your heating oil...

Disappointed in the new Pope. Had high hopes for him.

johnneycool

Quote from: orangeman on January 13, 2014, 12:29:47 AM
Francis is making all the right soundings and hop just when you think that real change is in the offing, along comes this story.

What a shame.

If it had of been an ordinary cleric then maybe, but an Archbishop?? He was never going to be put back into the judicial system for a trial!!

Big blot on Francis' copy book there..

theskull1

Just a blot?

Just another one who makes the right noises to appease a disgruntled flock but morals and principles go out the window if the wrong boy is rumbled.

Papacy is a synonym for duplicity
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

orangeman

It's ok to feed the babies in the Sistine chapel all the same.

orangeman

United Nations child protection experts pushed Vatican delegates today to reveal the scope of the decades-long sexual abuse of minors by Roman Catholic priests that Pope Francis called "the shame of the Church".
The delegates, answering questions from an international rights panel for the first time since the scandals broke more than two decades ago, denied allegations of a Vatican cover-up and said it had set clear guidelines to protect children from predator priests.
But members of the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, and abuse victims attending the session in Geneva, demanded far more transparency on crimes that have rocked the Church, from the United States to Europe and Australia.
"The best way to prevent abuses is to reveal old ones - openness instead of sweeping offences under the carpet," Kirsten Sandberg, chairwoman of the 18-strong UN committee, told the Vatican delegation. "It seems to date your procedures are not very transparent."
Ms Sandberg repeatedly pressed the officials to open up Vatican archives on cases of sexual abuse and pay compensation to young people raped or sodomised by priests.
"We will take your questions seriously but we are not in a position to answer now," Vatican delegation head Archbishop Silvano Tomasi told her at the end of the day-long session.
The Vatican angered victim support groups last month by refusing to answer the committee's written questions in advance, saying its inquiries were confidential and that responsibility for dealing with abusers lay with local bishops. Barbara Blaine, president of the US-based Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests (SNAP), said the Vatican response fell far short of what victims wanted. "What we want to see is the Vatican punish bishops who covered up sex crimes, and we want them to turn over information they have about crimes to police," she said. "The Vatican attempted to relegate the issue to the past and claim it is a new era," said Pam Spees, an attorney for the US-based Center for Constitutional Rights.
Victims accuse bishops of covering up crimes and switching priests to other parishes to avoid prosecution. Courts have ordered dioceses to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in damages, bankrupting a string of them in the United States. Pope Francis told worshippers at morning Mass in the Vatican today that abuse scandals had "cost us a lot of money, but (paying damages) is only right." He said bishops, priests and lay people were responsible for this "shame of the Church".
In December, the pontiff ordered the formation of a team of experts to look into the sexual abuse of minors in the Church, in his first major step to tackle the issue. Vatican officials long played down the abuse scandal as a limited problem, but shocking revelations in the United States, Ireland and then several European countries have turned it into a crisis in recent years.

theskull1

It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

give her dixie

How dare the UN interfere in the Vaticans business of protecting child abusing preists
next stop, September 10, for number 4......



guy crouchback

i don't know what to say to that first report. i wanted to post a reply but i am simply lost for words its beyond belief if its true even if its half true. did these woman's lives and their babies lives mean so little to society that they could to all intent and purposes be eradicated?

i say society because we the people, our parents and our grandparents allowed this to happen. we can blame the church and of course they are the main culprits no doubt about it and we can blame the governing class for allowing themselves to be controlled and used so completely by the church but at the end of the day nobody shouted stop.
we could send brigades to fight on both sides of the Spanish civil war, but nobody could stand up for Irish babies that were  being exterminated because they may have been morally corrupt at birth in the eyes of those who were supposed to care for them.