Clerical abuse!

[Hardy]

Monsignor speaks with the authority of considerable expertise. The Nuremberg Defence is for amateur liars. The pros use Mental Reservation.

[muppet]

I don't think anyone was really supporting him. Support isn't a fair enough assessment of people comments. Just because we agree with the message he is passing on about abortion doesn't mean we support him. More twisting from you muppet.
Great comments in the above message. If Enda is Catholic then be Catholic. At least have the balls to say you're not and vote whatever way you want. No spines.

So in the first part of your post are you saying you do not support Brady, or that you do? Or that you don't him, but support his 'message'? Or is there another flaky cop out you can hide behind?

As for the 'great comments'?

The unbelievable hypocrisy of attacking anyone for following orders, while issuing orders is staggering. This is the organisation that still refuses to reveal the parishes in the US that Brendan Smyth, a man of unquestionable evil, worked in. Brady of course was only following orders that time.

No spines? You are joking right? If the Church stands up for victims of child abuse instead of protecting itself they may have the moral gravitas to talk about spines, but right now it doesn't.

[The Iceman]

I don't think anyone was really supporting him. Support isn't a fair enough assessment of people comments. Just because we agree with the message he is passing on about abortion doesn't mean we support him. More twisting from you muppet.
Great comments in the above message. If Enda is Catholic then be Catholic. At least have the balls to say you're not and vote whatever way you want. No spines.

So in the first part of your post are you saying you do not support Brady, or that you do? Or that you don't him, but support his 'message'? Or is there another flaky cop out you can hide behind?

As for the 'great comments'?

The unbelievable hypocrisy of attacking anyone for following orders, while issuing orders is staggering. This is the organisation that still refuses to reveal the parishes in the US that Brendan Smyth, a man of unquestionable evil, worked in. Brady of course was only following orders that time.

No spines? You are joking right? If the Church stands up for victims of child abuse instead of protecting itself they may have the moral gravitas to talk about spines, but right now it doesn't.

I don't support Brady but I'm putting up with it until someone better is appointment instead of moaning about something over which I have no control. Muppet the frigging champion of the people and the abused.
The Church has every right to tell non-conforming members to leave. There shouldn't be any argument there. It doesn't matter if you think it is hypocritical or not.

[give her dixie]

Cardinal: Abortion is bigger sin than priest abuse

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/28/cardinal_abortion_is_worse_scandal_than_priest_abuse/

[Jeepers Creepers]

As said before, the church are champions of the unborn child yet seem to not give a flying .. to those abused at childhood

[The Iceman]

The Church isn't saying that at all.
It's saying abortion is a greater sin. It isn't saying abuse is not a sin but that abortion is a graver sin.
Not sure why everything has to be twisted all the time....

[Leo]

The Church isn't saying that at all.
It's saying abortion is a greater sin. It isn't saying abuse is not a sin but that abortion is a graver sin.
Not sure why everything has to be twisted all the time....

This is whataboutery gone mad..
Child abuse by clergy?
What about abortion?
So easily we remove the enormous evil of systematic child abuse (and institutionalised cover-up) to be replaced by a debating point in the "hierarchial" machinations of the church.

[Lar Naparka]

The Church isn't saying that at all.
It's saying abortion is a greater sin. It isn't saying abuse is not a sin but that abortion is a graver sin.
Not sure why everything has to be twisted all the time....

Is there such a concept as a 'graver' mortal sin?
I would like to think that if someone with a gun was going to shoot me, I wouldn't hang around long enough to find out what sort of firearm he intended using.
Derringer or machine gun; I think the end result would be the same.
In the same fashion, all those who die in a state of mortal sin will be cooked for eternity according to believers.
I feel clerical abusers and abortionists would end up sharing the same oven.

[muppet]

I don't think anyone was really supporting him. Support isn't a fair enough assessment of people comments. Just because we agree with the message he is passing on about abortion doesn't mean we support him. More twisting from you muppet.
Great comments in the above message. If Enda is Catholic then be Catholic. At least have the balls to say you're not and vote whatever way you want. No spines.

So in the first part of your post are you saying you do not support Brady, or that you do? Or that you don't him, but support his 'message'? Or is there another flaky cop out you can hide behind?

As for the 'great comments'?

The unbelievable hypocrisy of attacking anyone for following orders, while issuing orders is staggering. This is the organisation that still refuses to reveal the parishes in the US that Brendan Smyth, a man of unquestionable evil, worked in. Brady of course was only following orders that time.

No spines? You are joking right? If the Church stands up for victims of child abuse instead of protecting itself they may have the moral gravitas to talk about spines, but right now it doesn't.

I don't support Brady but I'm putting up with it until someone better is appointment instead of moaning about something over which I have no control. Muppet the frigging champion of the people and the abused.
The Church has every right to tell non-conforming members to leave. There shouldn't be any argument there. It doesn't matter if you think it is hypocritical or not.

Pardon me for 'moaning' about raped children. The Church's hierarchy is non-conforming to its own doctrine to a far greater extreme than a person casting a vote in a referendum. Will they leave?

Here is another problem. You talk about the Church as if it is a club, and as if the head of the club can throw out whoever it wants for breaking the rules of the club. That would be fine, if it weren't claiming to be God's one true religion. That may even be fine if it weren't claiming a lineage which it accepts itself is false.

Don't get me wrong, Jesus was a great man and prescribed a code, by which if we all abided the world, the world would be a magical place. You don't have to look beyond the Church's behaviour on child abuse to see that code being breached.

[orangeman]

It would make sense to have a hierarchy of sins alright.


What planet are these lads on ?

Next thing thry'll tell us is that there was no donkey at the birth of Jesus and that it all was made up.

[mylestheslasher]

A hierarchy of mortal sins, hmm. Sounds like the pope should bring in a penalty points system for sins. I am no expert but based on my observations the penalty points system should be something like this, where 12 points means straight to hell.

Raping Children - 1 point
Covering up rape of children (inc signing NDA's with children) - 1 point
Owning or sharing (intentionally or not) Gay porn - 2 points
Having sex with a man or a woman (for priests only) - 3 points
Rape of an adult - 4 points
Sex before Marriage (excluding children) - 4 points
Murder - 5 points
Disagreeing with doctrine (in general) - 6 points
Putting law of land above cannon law - 7 points
Being Gay - 8 points
Using contraception - 9 points
Getting a Divorce - 10 points
Supporting any level of abortion - 11 points
Carrying out abortions! - 12 points

They should probably note that some mortal sins have since been downgraded by God, no points shall be given to you for the following (although you may be frowned upon).

- Not going to mass every week
- Eating meat on a Friday
- Not kissing the bishops ring at every opportunity
- Working on the sabbath

[Tony Baloney]

A hierarchy of mortal sins, hmm. Sounds like the pope should bring in a penalty points system for sins. I am no expert but based on my observations the penalty points system should be something like this, where 12 points means straight to hell.

Raping Children - 1 point
Covering up rape of children (inc signing NDA's with children) - 1 point
Owning or sharing (intentionally or not) Gay porn - 2 points
Having sex with a man or a woman (for priests only) - 3 points
Rape of an adult - 4 points
Murder - 5 points
Disagreeing with doctrine (in general) - 6 points
Putting law of land above cannon law - 7 points
Being Gay - 8 points
Supporting any level of abortion - 10 points
Carrying out abortions! - 12 points

They should probably note that some mortal sins have since been downgraded by God, no points shall be given to you for the following (although you may be frowned upon).

- Not going to mass every week
- Eating meat on a Friday
- Not kissing the bishops ring at every opportunity
- Working on the sabbath

What about a fella having contraceptive sex before marriage with a woman separated from her husband?

[mylestheslasher]

Tony. I forgot some of those sins but I have updated my list. I assume you are talking about yourself and your other half. Bad news I am afraid...

Sex before Marriage (excluding children) = 4 points. I you were having sex with children it would not be so bad but with a woman, tut tut.
Using contraception = 9 points. Only one step down from abortion. Every used condom holds within a million lives that will never be thanks to your selfishness.
Getting a Divorce = 10 points. What god joins man cannot separate.

So you and your lady friend have 23 points between you. I believe that means one of you has to go to hell and the other has 1 point to play with for the rest of their life.

[Tony Baloney]

Tony. I forgot some of those sins but I have updated my list. I assume you are talking about yourself and your other half. Bad news I am afraid...

Sex before Marriage (excluding children) = 4 points. I you were having sex with children it would not be so bad but with a woman, tut tut.
Using contraception = 9 points. Only one step down from abortion. Every used condom holds within a million lives that will never be thanks to your selfishness.
Getting a Divorce = 10 points. What god joins man cannot separate.

So you and your lady friend have 23 points between you. I believe that means one of you has to go to hell and the other has 1 point to play with for the rest of their life.

My missus has never been previously married but horrifically is a prod! I may get straight into Brady's confessional box! It's either that or burning in the pits of hell with the other animals that have used condoms during consensual sex with an adult.

[The Iceman]

Just enough religion to hate and not enough to love.