Clerical abuse!

Started by D4S, May 20, 2009, 05:09:14 PM

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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

The State
The Church
Split 50/50

mylestheslasher

I think Brian D'arcy is a decent man and just like orangeman I find it pathetic, but not surprising, that the church has to be dragged kicking and screaming to own up to their raping and covering up of rape of young children but yet can act so swiftly when a priest says something they don't like. I don't know how anyone could give these lads the time of day.

orangeman

Stand by your man -


He said the memory of what he described as "this awful episode" would remain with him always.

"I deeply regret my failure to check, in advance, my presentation I had no knowledge of any offending imagery existing in it," Fr McVeigh said.

"After the images were inadvertently shown, I immediately removed the memory stick from the laptop. In my shock and upset and in my concern to ensure that the images would never be shown again, I destroyed it later that evening."

The priest added: "I appreciate that the incident was very serious in nature and caused much anxiety and distress, particularly to those who were present on the evening in question and I apologise unreservedly for the hurt caused."

"I want to assure you, however, that I was not responsible for the presence of the offending images and in this respect I ask you to accept my innocence."

The Archbishop of Armagh, Cardinal Seán Brady, has said he has accepted Fr McVeigh's request to take sabbatical leave on the understanding that he returns to the parish on its completion.

Cardinal Brady also said the diocese would now work to ensure that procedures and policies were put in place for the proper monitoring and use of computers in parishes.


armaghniac

I think the problem is that the church would have treated this presentation thing in the same way as child abuse, when it of little importance by way of comparison. The fact that it is being discussed in this thread suggests that some here are equally confused about the importance of things, perhaps for the opposite reasons.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Orangemac

I think what concerns most people is the reaction to this rather than the event itself. It is possible that someone else had downloaded these images but the whole thing stinks.

How can people accept that "the new procedures" line will solve everything. There was a computer that went missing, the priest destroyed the memory stick. Did the investigation determine who else may have had access to the computer?

Would you let your child serve on the altar in this parish?

theticklemister

#1354
Quote from: orangeman on April 27, 2012, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: Ulick on April 27, 2012, 12:11:22 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 26, 2012, 11:40:46 PM
Amazing how perverted some lads were all down the years whilst still claiming to be priests.

Even more amazing was the silence from the seats of power in Armagh and Rome ( they ignored the enquiries requests for information from Irish authorities ) whilst all the while they knew exactly what was going on, lads were simply moved around so that more innocent children could become victims, and when the abuse came to light, they were simply moved on again and again.

How dare Brian Darcy speak out !. It's reassuring that all of a sudden Rome and the bishops in Ireland are now able to listen and do something about such a bad man as Brian Darcy and the other bad priests who have the temerity to raise their heads above the parapet.

Better late than never.

What makes you think Darcy is being reprimanded over the sex abuse abuse scandals and not his frequent deviations from Catholic dogma in his weekly columns?

I didn't make that claim. Merely pointing out that Rome ( and you can include Armagh here too ) can speak out loudly, can take decisive action but only when it suits. For all other times, there's silence, denial, relocation packages etc.

A bit like the GAA then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hardy

Quote from: Orangemac on April 29, 2012, 09:33:32 PM
I think what concerns most people is the reaction to this rather than the event itself. It is possible that someone else had downloaded these images but the whole thing stinks.

How can people accept that "the new procedures" line will solve everything. There was a computer that went missing, the priest destroyed the memory stick. Did the investigation determine who else may have had access to the computer?

Would you let your child serve on the altar in this parish?

What? You seem to be very confused.  This is a case of pornography inadvertently being displayed to an unsuspecting audience. It's trivial. The question of whether it was owned by the priest or planted by some malfeasant or prankster is of no particular importance other than to the social reputation of the priest and his standing among his community. It has nothing at all to do with child safety.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Hardy on April 30, 2012, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: Orangemac on April 29, 2012, 09:33:32 PM
I think what concerns most people is the reaction to this rather than the event itself. It is possible that someone else had downloaded these images but the whole thing stinks.

How can people accept that "the new procedures" line will solve everything. There was a computer that went missing, the priest destroyed the memory stick. Did the investigation determine who else may have had access to the computer?

Would you let your child serve on the altar in this parish?



What? You seem to be very confused.  This is a case of pornography inadvertently being displayed to an unsuspecting audience. It's trivial. The question of whether it was owned by the priest or planted by some malfeasant or prankster is of no particular importance other than to the social reputation of the priest and his standing among his community. It has nothing at all to do with child safety.

+ 1000000

From the Bunker

The Shame of the Catholic Church on BBC1 at the moment

give her dixie

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17894419#?utm_term=BBC&utm_content=Newsline&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

New claims over Cardinal Brady's role in sex abuse inquiry

A BBC investigation has uncovered fresh revelations about the role of the Catholic primate of all-Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, in the failure to protect children from child abuse.

The BBC's This World programme revealed he had the names and addresses of children who were being abused or were at risk of abuse by paedophile priest Brendan Smyth but failed to ensure they were being protected.

The investigation centres on a secret church inquiry in 1975 when a 14-year-old was questioned about abuse.

In 1975, Cardinal Brady was a priest and teacher in County Cavan in the Republic of Ireland, when he was sent by his bishop to investigate a claim of child sexual abuse by a fellow priest.

That priest was later exposed as Ireland's most prolific paedophile, Father Brendan Smyth.

The first child to tell his parents about the abuse was 14-year-old Brendan Boland.

Smyth took him and other children on trips across Ireland, abusing them in guesthouses along the way.

The man tasked with the secret church investigation that followed would later become the most senior priest in Ireland.

Sean Brady's role in the affair was exposed in 2010, when he was forced to admit that he had been present when the abused boy was questioned.

He claimed, however, that the boy's father had accompanied him, and described his own role as that of a note-taker.

However, the BBC This World investigation has uncovered the notes Cardinal Brady took while the boy was questioned.

The child's father was not allowed in the room, and the child was immediately sworn to secrecy.

Interviewed
What Cardinal Brady failed to tell anyone in 2010 was that Brendan Boland had also given him and his colleagues the precise details of a group of children who were being abused by Smyth.

Cardinal Brady did interview one of them and swore him to secrecy.

None of the children's parents or the police were told, leaving one boy, his sister and dozens of other children exposed to Smyth's sex attacks for a further 13 years.

Cardinal Brady did consider his position as Primate of all-Ireland when his role in the secret inquiry was first exposed.

The Catholic Church has said that "the sole purpose of the oath" signed by Brendan Boland in Cardinal Brady's presence was "to give greater force and integrity to the evidence given by Mr Boland against any counter claim by Fr Brendan Smyth".

The church also points out that in 1975, "no state or church guidelines for responding to allegations of child abuse existed in Ireland."
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Dougal Maguire

Quote from: give her dixie on May 01, 2012, 11:12:53 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17894419#?utm_term=BBC&utm_content=Newsline&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

New claims over Cardinal Brady's role in sex abuse inquiry

A BBC investigation has uncovered fresh revelations about the role of the Catholic primate of all-Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, in the failure to protect children from child abuse.

The BBC's This World programme revealed he had the names and addresses of children who were being abused or were at risk of abuse by paedophile priest Brendan Smyth but failed to ensure they were being protected.

The investigation centres on a secret church inquiry in 1975 when a 14-year-old was questioned about abuse.

In 1975, Cardinal Brady was a priest and teacher in County Cavan in the Republic of Ireland, when he was sent by his bishop to investigate a claim of child sexual abuse by a fellow priest.

That priest was later exposed as Ireland's most prolific paedophile, Father Brendan Smyth.

The first child to tell his parents about the abuse was 14-year-old Brendan Boland.

Smyth took him and other children on trips across Ireland, abusing them in guesthouses along the way.

The man tasked with the secret church investigation that followed would later become the most senior priest in Ireland.

Sean Brady's role in the affair was exposed in 2010, when he was forced to admit that he had been present when the abused boy was questioned.

He claimed, however, that the boy's father had accompanied him, and described his own role as that of a note-taker.

However, the BBC This World investigation has uncovered the notes Cardinal Brady took while the boy was questioned.

The child's father was not allowed in the room, and the child was immediately sworn to secrecy.

Interviewed
What Cardinal Brady failed to tell anyone in 2010 was that Brendan Boland had also given him and his colleagues the precise details of a group of children who were being abused by Smyth.

Cardinal Brady did interview one of them and swore him to secrecy.

None of the children's parents or the police were told, leaving one boy, his sister and dozens of other children exposed to Smyth's sex attacks for a further 13 years.

Cardinal Brady did consider his position as Primate of all-Ireland when his role in the secret inquiry was first exposed.

The Catholic Church has said that "the sole purpose of the oath" signed by Brendan Boland in Cardinal Brady's presence was "to give greater force and integrity to the evidence given by Mr Boland against any counter claim by Fr Brendan Smyth".

The church also points out that in 1975, "no state or church guidelines for responding to allegations of child abuse existed in Ireland."

Yeah, I believe you
Careful now

mylestheslasher

A shame to cavan and Ireland that Brady. If there is a hell he'll be going there soon.

Tony Baloney

Brady should f**k right off. I saw him a few months glad-handing people up the town in Armagh. sc**bag.

Maguire01

Don't think he'll be able to hang on after this.

Dougal Maguire

Quote from: give her dixie on May 01, 2012, 11:12:53 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17894419#?utm_term=BBC&utm_content=Newsline&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


The church also points out that in 1975, "no state or church guidelines for responding to allegations of child abuse existed in Ireland."

So that made it ok to say nothing, do nothing and make those affected swear an oath of secrecy
Careful now

give her dixie

Yet more evidence that Brady is up to his neck in cover ups of abuse.

No wonder he became Cardinal and Primate of All Ireland.



next stop, September 10, for number 4......