Clerical abuse!

Started by D4S, May 20, 2009, 05:09:14 PM

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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

The State
The Church
Split 50/50

mylestheslasher

Memory stick? Ah that it explains it because when cannon law was written there was no such thing as memory sticks and since god has not given any direct updates to the pope on the use of memory sticks then no law was subsequently written. Now had the gay porn images been discovered on a scroll of some description, well that priest may have been moved parishes or some other equally tough punishment

muppet

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez-nuns-20120422,0,7617042.column

From:

Last year church officials paid $144 million to settle abuse allegations and cover legal bills, and although many of the cases went back decades, church auditors have warned of "growing complacency" about protecting children today.

So who's in trouble with the Vatican?

Nuns.

You know, the thousands of women who took vows of poverty to work with the poor, the sick and disabled.

Why?

They're just not toeing the line, says the Holy See. Instead of frittering away so much time on "issues of social justice," they should be speaking out against contraception and homosexuality. They should also muzzle themselves on the ordination of women and other "radical feminist themes."
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orangeman

#1337
Quote from: muppet on April 22, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez-nuns-20120422,0,7617042.column

From:

Last year church officials paid $144 million to settle abuse allegations and cover legal bills, and although many of the cases went back decades, church auditors have warned of "growing complacency" about protecting children today.

So who's in trouble with the Vatican?

Nuns.

You know, the thousands of women who took vows of poverty to work with the poor, the sick and disabled.

Why?

They're just not toeing the line, says the Holy See. Instead of frittering away so much time on "issues of social justice," they should be speaking out against contraception and homosexuality. They should also muzzle themselves on the ordination of women and other "radical feminist themes."


Makes sense alright. Ignore the obvious and put up a maddive smokescreen to try and cloud your vision. Age old tactic. They've got it nearly off to perfection at this stage ( or so they think ).

Orior

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Memory stick? Ah that it explains it because when cannon law was written there was no such thing as memory sticks and since god has not given any direct updates to the pope on the use of memory sticks then no law was subsequently written. Now had the gay porn images been discovered on a scroll of some description, well that priest may have been moved parishes or some other equally tough punishment

What about being innocent until proved guilty?

Was the laptop and memory stick shared by others?
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Never beat the deeler

Quote from: Orior on April 22, 2012, 11:30:58 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Memory stick? Ah that it explains it because when cannon law was written there was no such thing as memory sticks and since god has not given any direct updates to the pope on the use of memory sticks then no law was subsequently written. Now had the gay porn images been discovered on a scroll of some description, well that priest may have been moved parishes or some other equally tough punishment

What about being innocent until proved guilty?

Was the laptop and memory stick shared by others?

Guilty of what, exactly?
Hasta la victoria siempre

shezam

Quote from: Orior on April 22, 2012, 11:30:58 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Memory stick? Ah that it explains it because when cannon law was written there was no such thing as memory sticks and since god has not given any direct updates to the pope on the use of memory sticks then no law was subsequently written. Now had the gay porn images been discovered on a scroll of some description, well that priest may have been moved parishes or some other equally tough punishment

What about being innocent until proved guilty?

Was the laptop and memory stick shared by others?


+1

Yes and Yes! There more to the story than meets the eye!!


muppet

Quote from: shezam on April 23, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 22, 2012, 11:30:58 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Memory stick? Ah that it explains it because when cannon law was written there was no such thing as memory sticks and since god has not given any direct updates to the pope on the use of memory sticks then no law was subsequently written. Now had the gay porn images been discovered on a scroll of some description, well that priest may have been moved parishes or some other equally tough punishment

What about being innocent until proved guilty?

Was the laptop and memory stick shared by others?


+1

Yes and Yes! There more to the story than meets the eye!!

I hope users of that memory stick had protection.
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Maguire01

According to Radio Ulster this evening, the memory stick was destroyed by the priest himself. The stolen laptop story is suspicious. The Church appears, yet again, to have made a real mess in handling this.

As a general point, I have no real problem if a priest wants to have gay porn, apart from the hypocrisy of it.

Orior

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 23, 2012, 10:02:45 PM
According to Radio Ulster this evening, the memory stick was destroyed by the priest himself. The stolen laptop story is suspicious. The Church appears, yet again, to have made a real mess in handling this.

As a general point, I have no real problem if a priest wants to have gay porn, apart from the hypocrisy of it.

Yes I heard that on the radio as well. What a stupid thing to do. If you want to point the finger at yourself, then destroy the evidence. Dip stick.
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orangeman

Poor Brian Darcy getting the heat now from Rome.




Father Brian D'Arcy, one of Ireland's best known priests, has been censured by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the Vatican, according to the Tablet newspaper.

Fr D'Arcy, a broadcaster and newspaper columnist, is making no comment.

It is understood that his column is now run past a church censor, though none has been changed as a result.

The disciplining of Fr D'Arcy brings the number of Irish priests silenced by Rome to six.

The action against the priest was taken by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) last year after an anonymous complaint.

Fr D'Arcy has spoken out against mandatory celibacy for priests, church teaching on contraception and has been a vocal critic of the handling of clerical sexual abuse. In the wake of the Murphy Report into clerical abuse in the Archdiocese of Dublin Fr D'Arcy called for reformation of church structures and accused the Holy See of using legal procedures to shield itself from criticism over its handling of abuse.

The action came after Fr Ottaviano D'Egidio, the Passionist Superior General, was summoned by Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the CDF, 14 months ago.

"Some time ago the CDF was in touch with our General about some of Brian's views and since then Brian has been co-operating to ensure that he can continue to make a contribution to the religious journalism that he is involved in," Fr Pat Duffy, the Irish provincial of the Passionists told the Tablet.

muppet

#1345
Interesting to see that the Church in Rome can sanction a local priest after all. Presumably this sanction is issued under Canon Law or some other ancient internal procedure. It is also interesting to note that the office issuing that sanction is the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the Vatican. This function was set up to protect 'the integrity' of the faith in the 16th Century.

I find it repulsive that for decades the above process was unable to act properly upon complaints of pedophile priests. It is not credible for the Vatican to point to the local Church and say 'their fault' on child abuse while acting quickly against D'Arcy. It is hard to escape the conclusion that defending the 'integrity' was interpreted as covering up rather than what we would understand as natural justice.

And who was the last Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith? Joseph Ratzinger (November 25, 1981 - April 2, 2005)



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Ulick

Quote from: orangeman on April 26, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
Poor Brian Darcy getting the heat now from Rome.




Father Brian D'Arcy, one of Ireland's best known priests, has been censured by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the Vatican, according to the Tablet newspaper.

Fr D'Arcy, a broadcaster and newspaper columnist, is making no comment.

It is understood that his column is now run past a church censor, though none has been changed as a result.

The disciplining of Fr D'Arcy brings the number of Irish priests silenced by Rome to six.

The action against the priest was taken by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) last year after an anonymous complaint.

Fr D'Arcy has spoken out against mandatory celibacy for priests, church teaching on contraception and has been a vocal critic of the handling of clerical sexual abuse. In the wake of the Murphy Report into clerical abuse in the Archdiocese of Dublin Fr D'Arcy called for reformation of church structures and accused the Holy See of using legal procedures to shield itself from criticism over its handling of abuse.

The action came after Fr Ottaviano D'Egidio, the Passionist Superior General, was summoned by Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the CDF, 14 months ago.

"Some time ago the CDF was in touch with our General about some of Brian's views and since then Brian has been co-operating to ensure that he can continue to make a contribution to the religious journalism that he is involved in," Fr Pat Duffy, the Irish provincial of the Passionists told the Tablet.

There goes the only reason to buy the Sunday World. Used to get it the odd time just to be amazed at the how far away from Catholic doctrine a man can get whilst still claiming to be a priest.

orangeman

Amazing how perverted some lads were all down the years whilst still claiming to be priests.

Even more amazing was the silence from the seats of power in Armagh and Rome ( they ignored the enquiries requests for information from Irish authorities ) whilst all the while they knew exactly what was going on, lads were simply moved around so that more innocent children could become victims, and when the abuse came to light, they were simply moved on again and again.

How dare Brian Darcy speak out !. It's reassuring that all of a sudden Rome and the bishops in Ireland are now able to listen and do something about such a bad man as Brian Darcy and the other bad priests who have the temerity to raise their heads above the parapet.

Better late than never.

Ulick

Quote from: orangeman on April 26, 2012, 11:40:46 PM
Amazing how perverted some lads were all down the years whilst still claiming to be priests.

Even more amazing was the silence from the seats of power in Armagh and Rome ( they ignored the enquiries requests for information from Irish authorities ) whilst all the while they knew exactly what was going on, lads were simply moved around so that more innocent children could become victims, and when the abuse came to light, they were simply moved on again and again.

How dare Brian Darcy speak out !. It's reassuring that all of a sudden Rome and the bishops in Ireland are now able to listen and do something about such a bad man as Brian Darcy and the other bad priests who have the temerity to raise their heads above the parapet.

Better late than never.

What makes you think Darcy is being reprimanded over the sex abuse abuse scandals and not his frequent deviations from Catholic dogma in his weekly columns?   

orangeman

Quote from: Ulick on April 27, 2012, 12:11:22 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 26, 2012, 11:40:46 PM
Amazing how perverted some lads were all down the years whilst still claiming to be priests.

Even more amazing was the silence from the seats of power in Armagh and Rome ( they ignored the enquiries requests for information from Irish authorities ) whilst all the while they knew exactly what was going on, lads were simply moved around so that more innocent children could become victims, and when the abuse came to light, they were simply moved on again and again.

How dare Brian Darcy speak out !. It's reassuring that all of a sudden Rome and the bishops in Ireland are now able to listen and do something about such a bad man as Brian Darcy and the other bad priests who have the temerity to raise their heads above the parapet.

Better late than never.

What makes you think Darcy is being reprimanded over the sex abuse abuse scandals and not his frequent deviations from Catholic dogma in his weekly columns?

I didn't make that claim. Merely pointing out that Rome ( and you can include Armagh here too ) can speak out loudly, can take decisive action but only when it suits. For all other times, there's silence, denial, relocation packages etc.