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Title: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 18, 2018, 03:46:53 PM
As you may or may not be aware as a charity fundraiser a Man U XI plays a Celtic/Ireland XI, usual celebrity infux, to raise funds for charity and the family of Liam Miller.

The organisers asked could they use Pairc Ui Caoimh and were turned down. Game is in Turners Cross and will generate a lot less. Similar story happened in Omagh when the GAA refused to allow a game to raise money for the families.

So what do we think? The rules are the rules? Or with the €30m the taxpayer put into the venue should common sense applied and a gesture made? Especially as its a fundraiser. The PR isnt great.

Discuss
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on July 18, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 18, 2018, 03:46:53 PM
As you may or may not be aware as a charity fundraiser a Man U XI plays a Celtic/Ireland XI, usual celebrity infux, to raise funds for charity and the family of Liam Miller.

The organisers asked could they use Pairc Ui Caoimh and were turned down. Game is in Turners Cross and will generate a lot less. Similar story happened in Omagh when the GAA refused to allow a game to raise money for the families.

So what do we think? The rules are the rules? Or with the €30m the taxpayer put into the venue should common sense applied and a gesture made? Especially as its a fundraiser. The PR isnt great.

Discuss

When will the GAA come in to the 21st century? We have Ed Sheerin, American Football games etc allowed on our GAA PItche,s but when it comes to the 'foreign sport' it is completely frowned upon. The quicker the comb-overs within the organisation move on and let the more liberal brigade in the better.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Should they have allowed this? Of course. Could they without passing a motion at congress? Probably not.

The fact that this is nothing more than a charity game could perhaps have gotten around the rules but wasn't there even a thing in Longford where they allowed facilities be used for a kids summer camp for soccer and got punished by HQ??

That article in the rules needs to go especially f the American Football is somehow being allowed.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Boycey on July 18, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
Usual GAA bashing without even a checking of the facts and I do wonder about the original poster.. again!
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 18, 2018, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 18, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
Usually GAA bashing without even a checking of the facts and I do wonder about the original poster.. again!

What facts are wrong? Its in the papers.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/roy-keane-in-town-to-annnouce-ticket-details-for-liam-miller-tribute-match-856056.html

Wonder how?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2018, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 18, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
Usually GAA bashing without even a checking of the facts and I do wonder about the original poster.. again!

I'll admit I never checked the OP for truth but I don't think I bashed too much either.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 18, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Soccer people doing a charity soccer thing in memory of a soccer player  in a soccer pitch.
Fair play to them.
Nothing to do with the GAA.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 18, 2018, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Soccer people doing a charity soccer thing in memory of a soccer player  in a soccer pitch.
Fair play to them.
Nothing to do with the GAA.
So the GAA were right to not rent them the hall? Not very community spirited of you.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 18, 2018, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Soccer people doing a charity soccer thing in memory of a soccer player  in a soccer pitch.
Fair play to them.
Nothing to do with the GAA.

God, you are a joke.

And those hiding behind 'rule changes' as if this problem hasn't been flagged for years are equally a joke. You can't pretend it's an unforeseen situation and you're simply beholdent to some other organisation with no responsibility for that decision. If there was a will at the top this wouldn't even be a question.

People like the Cork County Board (aka Frank 'Job for Life' Murphy) just don't give enough of a shît to do something.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on July 18, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
The organisers confirmed that an approach was made with a view to hosting the match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh, but that this would require a rule change at GAA congress which won't be held until next spring.

Mr O'Flynn stressed, however, that Cork County Board were very receptive to their approaches and offered Pairc Ui Chaoimh's conferencing facilities free of charge.

Think the CCB did all they could in fairness. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 18, 2018, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 18, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
The organisers confirmed that an approach was made with a view to hosting the match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh, but that this would require a rule change at GAA congress which won't be held until next spring.

Mr O'Flynn stressed, however, that Cork County Board were very receptive to their approaches and offered Pairc Ui Chaoimh's conferencing facilities free of charge.

Think the CCB did all they could in fairness. Nothing to see here.
Nothing to see here? You sure?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on July 18, 2018, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2018, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Soccer people doing a charity soccer thing in memory of a soccer player  in a soccer pitch.
Fair play to them.
Nothing to do with the GAA.

God, you are a joke.

And those hiding behind 'rule changes' as if this problem hasn't been flagged for years are equally a joke. You can't pretend it's an unforeseen situation and you're simply beholdent to some other organisation with no responsibility for that decision. If there was a will at the top this wouldn't even be a question.

People like the Cork County Board (aka Frank 'Job for Life' Murphy) just don't give enough of a shît to do something.

Plus, isn't it a fundraiser for Liam Miller's family? Not much goodwill or compassion to be seen here.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on July 18, 2018, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 18, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
The organisers confirmed that an approach was made with a view to hosting the match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh, but that this would require a rule change at GAA congress which won't be held until next spring.

Mr O'Flynn stressed, however, that Cork County Board were very receptive to their approaches and offered Pairc Ui Chaoimh's conferencing facilities free of charge.

Think the CCB did all they could in fairness. Nothing to see here.

You can't use the pitch, but you can use our office and we won't even charge you!!! If that's not an insult to the family I don't know what is.

The sad thing is if cork co. board had shown any common sense, empathy or simple decency they could have allowed it, but unfortunately somone somewhere would complain about the rules and regulations and the game would have had to have been called off.

Cork co board clearly still have serious power. Only explanation for ridiculous decision to play wexford v clare qtr final in PuC last week.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on July 19, 2018, 12:37:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 18, 2018, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 18, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
The organisers confirmed that an approach was made with a view to hosting the match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh, but that this would require a rule change at GAA congress which won't be held until next spring.

Mr O'Flynn stressed, however, that Cork County Board were very receptive to their approaches and offered Pairc Ui Chaoimh's conferencing facilities free of charge.

Think the CCB did all they could in fairness. Nothing to see here.

You can't use the pitch, but you can use our office and we won't even charge you!!! If that's not an insult to the family I don't know what is.

The sad thing is if cork co. board had shown any common sense, empathy or simple decency they could have allowed it, but unfortunately somone somewhere would complain about the rules and regulations and the game would have had to have been called off.

Cork co board clearly still have serious power. Only explanation for ridiculous decision to play wexford v clare qtr final in PuC last week.

It was all going so well until your last paragraph. Which county board wields the power to play matches in Croke Park?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Itchy on July 19, 2018, 01:24:38 PM
I was not in favour of allowing rugby into Croke park as in my opinion that was the GAA promoting a rival. However this is a purely charitable event that would raise money for this mans family left behind after his untimely death. If they have something else on in the stadium that day fair enough but if the are citing rules about non GAA sports then that is pathetic. Even for Cork county board its poor form.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on July 19, 2018, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Should they have allowed this? Of course. Could they without passing a motion at congress? Probably not.

The fact that this is nothing more than a charity game could perhaps have gotten around the rules but wasn't there even a thing in Longford where they allowed facilities be used for a kids summer camp for soccer and got punished by HQ??

That article in the rules needs to go especially f the American Football is somehow being allowed.

Not unrelated to the fact that a Premiership soccer star jetted in and bragged to the local media something stupid about soccer taking over from Irish football in that part of the world.  He ended up paying the fine for the club. 
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: spuds on July 19, 2018, 02:44:01 PM
Each association has its rules rightly or wrongly, is this just a case of not being in the gift of the GAA to allow this worthy event to take place in PuC as it contravenes the rules as are laid out presently.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 19, 2018, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 19, 2018, 02:44:01 PM
Each association has its rules rightly or wrongly, is this just a case of not being in the gift of the GAA to allow this worthy event to take place in PuC as it contravenes the rules as are laid out presently.

This is such an incredibly weak excuse for all the reasons I outlined in my last post.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 19, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
Look - I'm all for it, but has anyone considered the liability issue here?

I'm involved in local events here in South Dublin and for all public events we have to have insurance in case anything happens.

So - the charity event goes ahead in PUC and there is an issue. Someone falls...........one of the players ruptures a tendon due to a mad tackle.

So - who covers this? The organisers..........PUC? Would PUC be exposed if it hosted an event that was, technically, in breach of the rules of the organisation that owns the stadium?

It's easy to pick a fight with the 'GAH', 'Grab Alls' etc but if you want this not to happen again get a motion passed to allow County Boards to decide on a case-by-case basis to open a stadium for events like these, as long as the organisers take full responsibility and have their own insurance in place. Acting ultra vires can never be in the GAA's interests.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Can of worms opening...

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680 (https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 03:15:57 PM
No. Much easier for half eejits to go off on a bit of "Gah" bashing.
Why didn't they kick up over Cork's soccer team not getting the Páirc for their game against a Polish team the other week?
Sure half the Poles in Ireland would have gone to it?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 19, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 03:15:57 PM
No. Much easier for half eejits to go off on a bit of "Gah" bashing.
Why didn't they kick up over Cork's soccer team not getting the Páirc for their game against a Polish team the other week?
Sure half the Poles in Ireland would have gone to it?

Disgusting. A charity match for a player who died in his 30s with a young family and this is your attempt at drawing equivalence.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: spuds on July 19, 2018, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2018, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 19, 2018, 02:44:01 PM
Each association has its rules rightly or wrongly, is this just a case of not being in the gift of the GAA to allow this worthy event to take place in PuC as it contravenes the rules as are laid out presently.

This is such an incredibly weak excuse for all the reasons I outlined in my last post.
A weak excuse you say but the rules of the association are laid out. If they create a precedent to allow this fundraiser do they open themselves up to complaints of other refusals of GAA ground to other sports past and future.

Personally all for the game to be played in PuC but can see the issue the GAA has with it, as surely should the organisers who should be aware of the GAAs stance from the Croke park only opening up during the construction of Landsdowne road.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 19, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
Look - I'm all for it, but has anyone considered the liability issue here?

I'm involved in local events here in South Dublin and for all public events we have to have insurance in case anything happens.

So - the charity event goes ahead in PUC and there is an issue. Someone falls...........one of the players ruptures a tendon due to a mad tackle.

So - who covers this? The organisers..........PUC? Would PUC be exposed if it hosted an event that was, technically, in breach of the rules of the organisation that owns the stadium?

It's easy to pick a fight with the 'GAH', 'Grab Alls' etc but if you want this not to happen again get a motion passed to allow County Boards to decide on a case-by-case basis to open a stadium for events like these, as long as the organisers take full responsibility and have their own insurance in place. Acting ultra vires can never be in the GAA's interests.

If a player gets injured the FAI would cover it as they would be overseeing, if not running the event. Its very silly to suggest a stadium owner would be liable for a sporting injury on their turf ahead of the organisers.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Can of worms opening...

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680 (https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680)
Now isn't that interesting. I cant see the organisers of this event going legal, but rugby might
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:45:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 03:15:57 PM
No. Much easier for half eejits to go off on a bit of "Gah" bashing.
Why didn't they kick up over Cork's soccer team not getting the Páirc for their game against a Polish team the other week?
Sure half the Poles in Ireland would have gone to it?
Because Turners Cross is more than capable of hosting that game and i assume PuC doesnt have a UEFA rating and when you remove the terracing is 20,000 capacity.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 18, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
The organisers confirmed that an approach was made with a view to hosting the match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh, but that this would require a rule change at GAA congress which won't be held until next spring.

Mr O'Flynn stressed, however, that Cork County Board were very receptive to their approaches and offered Pairc Ui Chaoimh's conferencing facilities free of charge.

Think the CCB did all they could in fairness. Nothing to see here.

National press and currently on Joe Duffy.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/anger-as-permission-refused-for-pirc-u-chaoimh-to-host-liam-miller-charity-match-37134405.html
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Can of worms opening...

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680 (https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680)
Now isn't that interesting. I cant see the organisers of this event going legal, but rugby might

No chance.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Can of worms opening...

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680 (https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680)
Now isn't that interesting. I cant see the organisers of this event going legal, but rugby might

No chance.
If that chap is right, and he looks to be, there is a 45,000 capacity venue in Cork that they have a right to use. Not as much use to soccer with the terracing, but Munster rugby have been talking about moving big games to Cork for years but Musgrave is too small. I can see a cheekly challenge to the ban in this instance.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: spuds on July 19, 2018, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Can of worms opening...

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680 (https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680)
Now isn't that interesting. I cant see the organisers of this event going legal, but rugby might

No chance.
If that chap is right, and he looks to be, there is a 45,000 capacity venue in Cork that they have a right to use. Not as much use to soccer with the terracing, but Munster rugby have been talking about moving big games to Cork for years but Musgrave is too small. I can see a cheekly challenge to the ban in this instance.
Are you getting his use of voluntary mixed up with the professional Munster rugby?  ;D
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on July 19, 2018, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Can of worms opening...

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680 (https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1019850077127495680)
Now isn't that interesting. I cant see the organisers of this event going legal, but rugby might

The bould Tim O'Connor BL whoever he is has me blocked even though I've never heard of him. His twitter pic would indicate he's a crank.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on July 19, 2018, 04:46:00 PM
@Baile Brigín 2
I have a party arranged for you house  next Tuesday make sure your out and leave a full fridge
the story is total bollix
soccer Ireland make millions but choose to give it  to people like John Delany and useless twats on the pitch and 2 of their clubs  could be out of business in a week or so unless they find another sucker to
leech money off . but the GAA get the laughable title of Grab all association
Sad for Liam Miller and his family  and they are lots of tragedies in all sports  but they  nothing to do with the GAA and the idea of trying to force soccer into GAA grounds using the stick of Charity is reprehensible .
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
Well said Ros.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 19, 2018, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 19, 2018, 04:46:00 PM
@Baile Brigín 2
I have a party arranged for you house  next Tuesday make sure your out and leave a full fridge
the story is total bollix
soccer Ireland make millions but choose to give it  to people like John Delany and useless t**ts on the pitch and 2 of their clubs  could be out of business in a week or so unless they find another sucker to
leech money off . but the GAA get the laughable title of Grab all association
Sad for Liam Miller and his family  and they are lots of tragedies in all sports  but they  nothing to do with the GAA and the idea of trying to force soccer into GAA grounds using the stick of Charity is reprehensible .

What's the weather like back in the Stone Age?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on July 19, 2018, 04:59:33 PM
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2018, 12:37:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 18, 2018, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 18, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
The organisers confirmed that an approach was made with a view to hosting the match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh, but that this would require a rule change at GAA congress which won't be held until next spring.

Mr O'Flynn stressed, however, that Cork County Board were very receptive to their approaches and offered Pairc Ui Chaoimh's conferencing facilities free of charge.

Think the CCB did all they could in fairness. Nothing to see here.

How else do you explain dragging Clare & wexford to PuC even though Thurles was closer for both counties. Only reason to play the game there is political.

You can't use the pitch, but you can use our office and we won't even charge you!!! If that's not an insult to the family I don't know what is.

The sad thing is if cork co. board had shown any common sense, empathy or simple decency they could have allowed it, but unfortunately somone somewhere would complain about the rules and regulations and the game would have had to have been called off.

Cork co board clearly still have serious power. Only explanation for ridiculous decision to play wexford v clare qtr final in PuC last week.

It was all going so well until your last paragraph. Which county board wields the power to play matches in Croke Park?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Kidder81 on July 19, 2018, 05:21:40 PM
Would Liam Miller not have made a fair few quid during his soccer career ?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: spuds on July 19, 2018, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2018, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 19, 2018, 04:46:00 PM
@Baile Brigín 2
I have a party arranged for you house  next Tuesday make sure your out and leave a full fridge
the story is total bollix
soccer Ireland make millions but choose to give it  to people like John Delany and useless t**ts on the pitch and 2 of their clubs  could be out of business in a week or so unless they find another sucker to
leech money off . but the GAA get the laughable title of Grab all association
Sad for Liam Miller and his family  and they are lots of tragedies in all sports  but they  nothing to do with the GAA and the idea of trying to force soccer into GAA grounds using the stick of Charity is reprehensible .

What's the weather like back in the Stone Age?
These one liners are all good and well but you are not dealing in reality. Ros makes very good points IMO but you rather just tarnish anyone (everyone) who has differing views to yourself.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Therealdonald on July 19, 2018, 05:42:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2018, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 19, 2018, 04:46:00 PM
@Baile Brigín 2
I have a party arranged for you house  next Tuesday make sure your out and leave a full fridge
the story is total bollix
soccer Ireland make millions but choose to give it  to people like John Delany and useless t**ts on the pitch and 2 of their clubs  could be out of business in a week or so unless they find another sucker to
leech money off . but the GAA get the laughable title of Grab all association
Sad for Liam Miller and his family  and they are lots of tragedies in all sports  but they  nothing to do with the GAA and the idea of trying to force soccer into GAA grounds using the stick of Charity is reprehensible .

What's the weather like back in the Stone Age?

You should know as you're legal knowledge seems to date from back then.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 19, 2018, 04:46:00 PM
@Baile Brigín 2
I have a party arranged for you house  next Tuesday make sure your out and leave a full fridge
the story is total bollix
soccer Ireland make millions but choose to give it  to people like John Delany and useless t**ts on the pitch and 2 of their clubs  could be out of business in a week or so unless they find another sucker to
leech money off . but the GAA get the laughable title of Grab all association
Sad for Liam Miller and his family  and they are lots of tragedies in all sports  but they  nothing to do with the GAA and the idea of trying to force soccer into GAA grounds using the stick of Charity is reprehensible .

Thats laughable.  What players do the FAI give money to? Did the state invest €30m in my fridge on the apparent clear understanding i shared it if requested?

Its a bit stoneage to not see that after taking €30m in public money for a venue that it might be wise to allow the broader community use it to raise funds for charity and a dead mans young family. The only people forcing anything is Croke Park.

We might know the nuances of the rules,  but to outsiders the Cork co board are saying they have no control over who uses their stadium. Baaaddd PR
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 06:33:48 PM
I think you'll find the €30m was given on the understanding that the GAA would change its rules to allow the Rugby World Cup games to be played in some GAA grounds of the Irish bid was successful.
But sure let's bash th'oul Gah.
It'll take attention away from 2 soccer clubs about to go under.

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 07:10:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 06:33:48 PM
I think you'll find the €30m was given on the understanding that the GAA would change its rules to allow the Rugby World Cup games to be played in some GAA grounds of the Irish bid was successful.
But sure let's bash th'oul Gah.
It'll take attention away from 2 soccer clubs about to go under.
You think this is a conspiracy by the soccer lads? Really? There seems to be a lot of Gaels unhappy with this too.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Bord na Mona man on July 19, 2018, 07:48:17 PM
It's surprising how a lot of people seemingly weren't aware of the rules around the use of GAA facilities until yesterday. Or that's what I gathered from the reaction on social media and elsewhere.

On the face of it, the cause here seems sound and so the GAA is invariably going to look like the Scrooges once the full weight of outrage has been unleashed.

It should open a wider debate. Perhaps a more flexible approach could be adopted to ground usage taking into account the cause and benefactors
However one of the few advantages the GAA has over other sports is the ability to evangelise its grassroots and develop pitches, grounds and facilities.
Is this something to be leveraged, or does it not matter in the greater scheme of things?

Other international sports have the advantage of not needing to lift a finger or spend a cent promoting their games.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 08:19:56 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 19, 2018, 05:21:40 PM
Would Liam Miller not have made a fair few quid during his soccer career ?
sure thats grand so. No need to honour the man and raise a few bob for charity.

Think how this looks to the broader world
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: CornUladh02 on July 19, 2018, 08:21:51 PM
Unfortunately the lack of flexibility and the often parochial nature of the GAA rulebook has left the GAA with our on its face with this one. Would have been a massive PR boost for the GAA to allow it to go ahead but it hasn't worked out. Maybe a sizable donation to the Miller foundation By the GAA would help?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
28 posts by Baile Brigín.
11 of them on this subject ::)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on July 19, 2018, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
28 posts by Baile Brigín.
11 of them on this subject ::)

What's wrong with that? How many posts before you consider his opinions are valid?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 19, 2018, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
28 posts by Baile Brigín.
11 of them on this subject ::)
So?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 19, 2018, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 19, 2018, 08:21:51 PM
Unfortunately the lack of flexibility and the often parochial nature of the GAA rulebook has left the GAA with our on its face with this one. Would have been a massive PR boost for the GAA to allow it to go ahead but it hasn't worked out. Maybe a sizable donation to the Miller foundation By the GAA would help?

That's debatable, looking at all the 'Grab All Association' beauties having a meltdown on social media.
In any event, PR is fleeting and precedents last much longer.
I personally think it would be a good and positive gesture to let PUC be used for this specific event, but ultimately we need a proposal at congress to ring-fence Croke Park, PUC, Clones & Pearse stadium (hypothetically) and give them autonomy to run whatever events they want, subject to approval by Central Council (if that's not an oxymoron).
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Franko on July 20, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 19, 2018, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 19, 2018, 08:21:51 PM
Unfortunately the lack of flexibility and the often parochial nature of the GAA rulebook has left the GAA with our on its face with this one. Would have been a massive PR boost for the GAA to allow it to go ahead but it hasn't worked out. Maybe a sizable donation to the Miller foundation By the GAA would help?

That's debatable, looking at all the 'Grab All Association' beauties having a meltdown on social media.
In any event, PR is fleeting and precedents last much longer.
I personally think it would be a good and positive gesture to let PUC be used for this specific event, but ultimately we need a proposal at congress to ring-fence Croke Park, PUC, Clones & Pearse stadium (hypothetically) and give them autonomy to run whatever events they want, subject to approval by Central Council (if that's not an oxymoron).

I think the proposal should be more wide ranging than that.  I think all grounds should be opened up, on the proviso that an application is made to Croke Park (or maybe the relevant provincial council) which they would then ratify on a case-by-case basis.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: tippabu on July 20, 2018, 09:16:37 AM
Great cause and would hope to see them raise good funds but what sort of attendance are they actually hoping to get for this? I would have thought in the 1st place Turners cross would have been ideal size for the event. I know this isn't the main argument here
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 20, 2018, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: Franko on July 20, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 19, 2018, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 19, 2018, 08:21:51 PM
Unfortunately the lack of flexibility and the often parochial nature of the GAA rulebook has left the GAA with our on its face with this one. Would have been a massive PR boost for the GAA to allow it to go ahead but it hasn't worked out. Maybe a sizable donation to the Miller foundation By the GAA would help?

That's debatable, looking at all the 'Grab All Association' beauties having a meltdown on social media.
In any event, PR is fleeting and precedents last much longer.
I personally think it would be a good and positive gesture to let PUC be used for this specific event, but ultimately we need a proposal at congress to ring-fence Croke Park, PUC, Clones & Pearse stadium (hypothetically) and give them autonomy to run whatever events they want, subject to approval by Central Council (if that's not an oxymoron).

I think the proposal should be more wide ranging than that.  I think all grounds should be opened up, on the proviso that an application is made to Croke Park (or maybe the relevant provincial council) which they would then ratify on a case-by-case basis.
IIRC, that is the position at present. Some years, can't remember how many, Galway Utd. qualified for an international competition and asked the Galway CB for permission to stage the home leg in Pearse Stadium.
This caused a predictable pumpus and, ASFAIK, permission was eventually granted. but it was made clear the what you mentioned above, would be the de facto position from there on.
Even earlier, there was a row of a similar nature, again in Galway, when a local club in Connemaa was asked by the soccer crowd there to let a soccer match go ahead on the GAA club's pitch. There were threats of writs and countersuits and everyone was having a great time until it was discovered that the gah didn't own the grounds. It was county council property so the game was allowed to go ahead.

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: TheClubman on July 20, 2018, 11:21:26 AM
I want to start off by saying how sad I was to hear of Liam Miller's death. Really admired him as a player and seemed like a good lad. The reaction of his fellow pros and the big names getting involved in this event is testament to this. I hope the venture is a huge success and fitting tribute.

However I have to say this is a clear case here of the blame being put in the wrong place.

The GAA rules are clear and have been spoken about at great length over the years. In fact, so much so that a previous iteration of this rule has lent itself to the name of one of if not the biggest online sports journals in the country. GAA rules can only change every year at congress.

Unfortunately, GAA rules as currently stated, do not allow for a game like this to take place anywhere (bar Croke Park if Central Council agree).

Soccer in this country is administered by the FAI. By and large they do a shocking job. As we see today, their biggest soccer stadium in the second biggest city in the country has a capacity of 7000. Lansdowne Road, owned by the IRFU, was redeveloped with the government paying 2/3 of the cost. League of Ireland clubs can't pay wages. They have a CEO on astronomical money for doing a terrible job. They have a national team that are unwatchable with the coaching team getting paid colossal money.

Yet it's the GAA's fault that there isn't a ground of sufficient size in Cork to host this charity match? In typical Irish fashion we want to bend the rules when it suits and tomorrow we'll be giving out about corruption and rule bending that we don't favour. Maybe we should break health and safety rules and let 20000 into Turners Cross? Of course not. As a nation we seriously need to cop on to ourselves and do a bit of thinking rather than reactionary barstool yapping.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: johnnycool on July 20, 2018, 11:26:04 AM
How big is Musgrave park?

Is it not an option?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on July 20, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 20, 2018, 11:21:26 AM
I want to start off by saying how sad I was to hear of Liam Miller's death. Really admired him as a player and seemed like a good lad. The reaction of his fellow pros and the big names getting involved in this event is testament to this. I hope the venture is a huge success and fitting tribute.

However I have to say this is a clear case here of the blame being put in the wrong place.

The GAA rules are clear and have been spoken about at great length over the years. In fact, so much so that a previous iteration of this rule has lent itself to the name of one of if not the biggest online sports journals in the country. GAA rules can only change every year at congress.

Unfortunately, GAA rules as currently stated, do not allow for a game like this to take place anywhere (bar Croke Park if Central Council agree).

Soccer in this country is administered by the FAI. By and large they do a shocking job. As we see today, their biggest soccer stadium in the second biggest city in the country has a capacity of 7000. Lansdowne Road, owned by the IRFU, was redeveloped with the government paying 2/3 of the cost. League of Ireland clubs can't pay wages. They have a CEO on astronomical money for doing a terrible job. They have a national team that are unwatchable with the coaching team getting paid colossal money.

Yet it's the GAA's fault that there isn't a ground of sufficient size in Cork to host this charity match? In typical Irish fashion we want to bend the rules when it suits and tomorrow we'll be giving out about corruption and rule bending that we don't favour. Maybe we should break health and safety rules and let 20000 into Turners Cross? Of course not. As a nation we seriously need to cop on to ourselves and do a bit of thinking rather than reactionary barstool yapping.

Except the rule that about home draws. Where the game would have gone ahead in Croke Park only for Kildare to kick up.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: TheClubman on July 20, 2018, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 20, 2018, 11:21:26 AM
I want to start off by saying how sad I was to hear of Liam Miller's death. Really admired him as a player and seemed like a good lad. The reaction of his fellow pros and the big names getting involved in this event is testament to this. I hope the venture is a huge success and fitting tribute.

However I have to say this is a clear case here of the blame being put in the wrong place.

The GAA rules are clear and have been spoken about at great length over the years. In fact, so much so that a previous iteration of this rule has lent itself to the name of one of if not the biggest online sports journals in the country. GAA rules can only change every year at congress.

Unfortunately, GAA rules as currently stated, do not allow for a game like this to take place anywhere (bar Croke Park if Central Council agree).

Soccer in this country is administered by the FAI. By and large they do a shocking job. As we see today, their biggest soccer stadium in the second biggest city in the country has a capacity of 7000. Lansdowne Road, owned by the IRFU, was redeveloped with the government paying 2/3 of the cost. League of Ireland clubs can't pay wages. They have a CEO on astronomical money for doing a terrible job. They have a national team that are unwatchable with the coaching team getting paid colossal money.

Yet it's the GAA's fault that there isn't a ground of sufficient size in Cork to host this charity match? In typical Irish fashion we want to bend the rules when it suits and tomorrow we'll be giving out about corruption and rule bending that we don't favour. Maybe we should break health and safety rules and let 20000 into Turners Cross? Of course not. As a nation we seriously need to cop on to ourselves and do a bit of thinking rather than reactionary barstool yapping.

Except the rule that about home draws. Where the game would have gone ahead in Croke Park only for Kildare to kick up.

That's what I mean. You're making my point for me. The CCCC misapplied the rules and Kildare forced them to apply them correctly.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: laoislad on July 20, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
Of course the GAA shouldn't be forced into doing anything they don't want to, rules are rules and they have their rules and all that.
As rules go though it's a pretty stupid one imo, also I doubt it would take very much or have much opposition if they were to bend the rules a little this time and make an exception.
There are some who are turning this into a soccer v Gaa debate. This is not a soccer event it's a charity event.
One tool on the radio this morning start going in about the Queen and the Union Jack and kept calling soccer a Brit sport and how no Brit sport should be played in PuC.
We're all Irish men at the end of the day,so was Liam Miller.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense or decency would know the right thing for the GAA to do would be to bend the rules on this occasion.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on July 20, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 20, 2018, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 20, 2018, 11:21:26 AM
I want to start off by saying how sad I was to hear of Liam Miller's death. Really admired him as a player and seemed like a good lad. The reaction of his fellow pros and the big names getting involved in this event is testament to this. I hope the venture is a huge success and fitting tribute.

However I have to say this is a clear case here of the blame being put in the wrong place.

The GAA rules are clear and have been spoken about at great length over the years. In fact, so much so that a previous iteration of this rule has lent itself to the name of one of if not the biggest online sports journals in the country. GAA rules can only change every year at congress.

Unfortunately, GAA rules as currently stated, do not allow for a game like this to take place anywhere (bar Croke Park if Central Council agree).

Soccer in this country is administered by the FAI. By and large they do a shocking job. As we see today, their biggest soccer stadium in the second biggest city in the country has a capacity of 7000. Lansdowne Road, owned by the IRFU, was redeveloped with the government paying 2/3 of the cost. League of Ireland clubs can't pay wages. They have a CEO on astronomical money for doing a terrible job. They have a national team that are unwatchable with the coaching team getting paid colossal money.

Yet it's the GAA's fault that there isn't a ground of sufficient size in Cork to host this charity match? In typical Irish fashion we want to bend the rules when it suits and tomorrow we'll be giving out about corruption and rule bending that we don't favour. Maybe we should break health and safety rules and let 20000 into Turners Cross? Of course not. As a nation we seriously need to cop on to ourselves and do a bit of thinking rather than reactionary barstool yapping.

Except the rule that about home draws. Where the game would have gone ahead in Croke Park only for Kildare to kick up.

That's what I mean. You're making my point for me. The CCCC misapplied the rules and Kildare forced them to apply them correctly.

And if they didn't force them the game would have gone ahead in Croke Park. Therefore breaking their own rules.

As Laoislad suggested there is surely a way to break the rules again for such an event.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: general_lee on July 20, 2018, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 20, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
Of course the GAA shouldn't be forced into doing anything they don't want to, rules are rules and they have their rules and all that.
As rules go though it's a pretty stupid one imo, also I doubt it would take very much or have much opposition if they were to bend the rules a little this time and make an exception.
There are some who are turning this into a soccer v Gaa debate. This is not a soccer event it's a charity event.
One tool on the radio this morning start going in about the Queen and the Union Jack and kept calling soccer a Brit sport and how no Brit sport should be played in PuC.
We're all Irish men at the end of the day,so was Liam Miller.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense or decency would know the right thing for the GAA to do would be to bend the rules on this occasion.
Totally agree. If you can have American football and concerts at GAA stadia why not a charity event. GAA are a joke at times
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2018, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 20, 2018, 11:26:04 AM
How big is Musgrave park?

Is it not an option?

No they are in the process of laying down a 3G pitch.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: The PRO on July 20, 2018, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 link=topic=28757.msg1830705#msg1830705

If a player gets injured the FAI would cover it as they would be overseeing, if not running the event. Its very silly to suggest a stadium owner would be liable for a sporting injury on their turf ahead of the organisers.
I wouldn't trust the FAI not to f**k that up. They are good at f**king things up.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 20, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
Isn't landowner responsible in law unless they're specifically indemnified by the Insurance taken out by event organisers.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2018, 02:52:22 PM


some #sportslaw  advice on Liam Miller event : prob no need to wait for a GAA Congress, s5 1(a) of GAA Guide could give Central Council discretion to sanction use of PuiC "for purpose not in conflict with Aims" of GAA & one in line with EU commission state aid decision on 30m.
6:43 AM - 20 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689 (https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 20, 2018, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
Isn't landowner responsible in law unless they're specifically indemnified by the Insurance taken out by event organisers.

The FAI have both public liability and player insurance. Thats absolutely not a reason to reject the request
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 20, 2018, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
Isn't landowner responsible in law unless they're specifically indemnified by the Insurance taken out by event organisers.

Your attempts at whatsbouting around the GAA stopping a charity event at a publicly funded ground passed the utterly inane and ridiculous pages ago.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 20, 2018, 04:01:30 PM
1 I never said was
2 - is FAI running the match?
3 - Does their insurance indemnify property owners where a game under their aegis takes place on someone else's property.
I'm still curious as to why  you are posting so much on this topic and hardly ever on anything else.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: larryin89 on July 20, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Tad confused here , how can the GAA break the rules ? Would that not just lead to chaos ?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: macdanger2 on July 20, 2018, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 20, 2018, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 20, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
Of course the GAA shouldn't be forced into doing anything they don't want to, rules are rules and they have their rules and all that.
As rules go though it's a pretty stupid one imo, also I doubt it would take very much or have much opposition if they were to bend the rules a little this time and make an exception.
There are some who are turning this into a soccer v Gaa debate. This is not a soccer event it's a charity event.
One tool on the radio this morning start going in about the Queen and the Union Jack and kept calling soccer a Brit sport and how no Brit sport should be played in PuC.
We're all Irish men at the end of the day,so was Liam Miller.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense or decency would know the right thing for the GAA to do would be to bend the rules on this occasion.
Totally agree. If you can have American football and concerts at GAA stadia why not a charity event. GAA are a joke at times

How does American Football get away with being held in Croker actually?

Would have thought that this could have been classified as a charity event rather than a sporting event and been allowed to go ahead
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: omaghjoe on July 20, 2018, 05:25:46 PM
There was a series of charity soccer matches played by Omagh Town in the wake of the 98 bomb.
Much the same debate was had about playing it in Healy Park, Omagh Town in the end withdrew their application and it was played in their ground.....they actually ended up being the Grab Alls.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: larryin89 on July 20, 2018, 05:59:11 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 20, 2018, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 20, 2018, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 20, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
Of course the GAA shouldn't be forced into doing anything they don't want to, rules are rules and they have their rules and all that.
As rules go though it's a pretty stupid one imo, also I doubt it would take very much or have much opposition if they were to bend the rules a little this time and make an exception.
There are some who are turning this into a soccer v Gaa debate. This is not a soccer event it's a charity event.
One tool on the radio this morning start going in about the Queen and the Union Jack and kept calling soccer a Brit sport and how no Brit sport should be played in PuC.
We're all Irish men at the end of the day,so was Liam Miller.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense or decency would know the right thing for the GAA to do would be to bend the rules on this occasion.
Totally agree. If you can have American football and concerts at GAA stadia why not a charity event. GAA are a joke at times

How does American Football get away with being held in Croker actually?

Would have thought that this could have been classified as a charity event rather than a sporting event and been allowed to go ahead

It's not croker they're asking for otherwise sure wouldn't the Aviva be the venue , surely ?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:44:01 PM
The latest GAA statement on this matter makes a bad situation worse!
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2018, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:44:01 PM
The latest GAA statement on this matter makes a bad situation worse!

Badly misjudged the tone.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Main Street on July 20, 2018, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2018, 02:52:22 PM


some #sportslaw  advice on Liam Miller event : prob no need to wait for a GAA Congress, s5 1(a) of GAA Guide could give Central Council discretion to sanction use of PuiC "for purpose not in conflict with Aims" of GAA & one in line with EU commission state aid decision on 30m.
6:43 AM - 20 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689 (https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689)
That professor of sports law doesn't have much legal sense, perhaps has a short attention span or just can't connect  dots.
5.1.b makes it crystal clear that
"Grounds controlled by Association units shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games others than those sanctioned by Central Council."

Addendum notes to article 5.1 make it clear what powers the CC have in 5.1.A and further define the powers of discretion the CC has.
  It is also clear that only congress can empower the CC to act any differently from the clear wording used in the constitution.

What the cork county board could have done is defy  the GAA constitution and risk the penalty.
"that body (county board) shall be subject to suspension or fine, as deemed appropriate."
What penalty could be imposed?  A slap on the wrist?


Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 20, 2018, 08:23:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 20, 2018, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2018, 02:52:22 PM


some #sportslaw  advice on Liam Miller event : prob no need to wait for a GAA Congress, s5 1(a) of GAA Guide could give Central Council discretion to sanction use of PuiC "for purpose not in conflict with Aims" of GAA & one in line with EU commission state aid decision on 30m.
6:43 AM - 20 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689 (https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689)
That professor of sports law doesn't have much legal sense, perhaps has a short attention span or just can't connect  dots.
5.1.b makes it crystal clear that
"Grounds controlled by Association units shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games others than those sanctioned by Central Council."

Addendum notes to article 5.1 make it clear what powers the CC have in 5.1.A and further define the powers of discretion the CC has.
  It is also clear that only congress can empower the CC to act any differently from the clear wording used in the constitution.

What the cork county board could have done is defy  the GAA constitution and risk the penalty.
"that body (county board) shall be subject to suspension or fine, as deemed appropriate."
What penalty could be imposed?  A slap on the wrist?

Fine them a tenner.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2018, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 20, 2018, 08:23:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 20, 2018, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2018, 02:52:22 PM


some #sportslaw  advice on Liam Miller event : prob no need to wait for a GAA Congress, s5 1(a) of GAA Guide could give Central Council discretion to sanction use of PuiC "for purpose not in conflict with Aims" of GAA & one in line with EU commission state aid decision on 30m.
6:43 AM - 20 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689 (https://twitter.com/sportslawMELB/status/1020303179345522689)
That professor of sports law doesn't have much legal sense, perhaps has a short attention span or just can't connect  dots.
5.1.b makes it crystal clear that
"Grounds controlled by Association units shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games others than those sanctioned by Central Council."

Addendum notes to article 5.1 make it clear what powers the CC have in 5.1.A and further define the powers of discretion the CC has.
  It is also clear that only congress can empower the CC to act any differently from the clear wording used in the constitution.

What the cork county board could have done is defy  the GAA constitution and risk the penalty.
"that body (county board) shall be subject to suspension or fine, as deemed appropriate."
What penalty could be imposed?  A slap on the wrist?

Fine them a tenner.
Throw Cork out of all competitions for 10 years
As a county they have a lot of weight due to number of clubs
They have been against a lot of the reforms of the GAA
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: LilySavage on July 20, 2018, 11:24:46 PM
[quote
Isn't landowner responsible in law unless they're specifically indemnified by the Insurance taken out by event organisers.
[/quote]

The FAI have both public liability and player insurance. Thats absolutely not a reason to reject the request


You sure about that?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: stephenite on July 21, 2018, 03:18:41 AM
There is a time to the right thing, this is one of those times.

Some of the attempts on here to defend our position, are a mirror of the gombeen men on the CCCC that had to back down on the Newbridge debacle after embarrassing themselves on national radio.

Embarrassing and disgraceful in equal measure

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2018, 08:22:20 AM
It's a pity the GAA couldn't come up with a bit of nuance in this case. Turners Cross is 7K. Pairc ui Chaoimh is 45 K.  The children of a deceased sportsman surely deserve better. It is a very  sad story. 

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: inthrough on July 21, 2018, 12:13:31 PM
Croke Park can't buy a break at the moment with challenges to their authority coming from everywhere.

Couldn't happer to a nicer bunch.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: larryin89 on July 21, 2018, 12:18:00 PM
It's just fookin anarchy ye want . There has to be rules .
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Boycey on July 21, 2018, 12:31:27 PM
Hopefully a solution will be reached but it's shocking disappointing to see so many who claim to be within the GAA community turning on them with such relish and glee.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:34:29 PM
This debacle does not deflect well on our organisation..

The game should go ahead in PuC.

To those who say it can't go ahead because of the rules: can we count at your enthusiastic support to change the rules at next Congress. If not, why not?

To those who say it shouldn't go ahead: why not? If Ulster Rugby had declined to facilitate a similar fund raiser coordinated aroun a GAA star what would the reaction have been?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 12:49:27 PM
That press release is horrendous. All the worst stereotypes of the GAA are being proven true this year.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2018, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 12:49:27 PM
That press release is horrendous. All the worst stereotypes of the GAA are being proven true this year.

It's too much like Apres Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC7Xv7kHiZ4
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 21, 2018, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: LilySavage on July 20, 2018, 11:24:46 PM
[quote
Isn't landowner responsible in law unless they're specifically indemnified by the Insurance taken out by event organisers.

The FAI have both public liability and player insurance. Thats absolutely not a reason to reject the request


You sure about that?
[/quote] are you suggesting they dont?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 21, 2018, 12:55:09 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-cold-and-ignorant-gaa-have-shown-a-basic-lack-of-decency-in-liam-miller-decision-37140546.html

Yhis isnt going away
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 20, 2018, 11:21:26 AM
I want to start off by saying how sad I was to hear of Liam Miller's death. Really admired him as a player and seemed like a good lad. The reaction of his fellow pros and the big names getting involved in this event is testament to this. I hope the venture is a huge success and fitting tribute.

However I have to say this is a clear case here of the blame being put in the wrong place.

The GAA rules are clear and have been spoken about at great length over the years. In fact, so much so that a previous iteration of this rule has lent itself to the name of one of if not the biggest online sports journals in the country. GAA rules can only change every year at congress.

Unfortunately, GAA rules as currently stated, do not allow for a game like this to take place anywhere (bar Croke Park if Central Council agree).

Soccer in this country is administered by the FAI. By and large they do a shocking job. As we see today, their biggest soccer stadium in the second biggest city in the country has a capacity of 7000. Lansdowne Road, owned by the IRFU, was redeveloped with the government paying 2/3 of the cost. League of Ireland clubs can't pay wages. They have a CEO on astronomical money for doing a terrible job. They have a national team that are unwatchable with the coaching team getting paid colossal money.

Yet it's the GAA's fault that there isn't a ground of sufficient size in Cork to host this charity match? In typical Irish fashion we want to bend the rules when it suits and tomorrow we'll be giving out about corruption and rule bending that we don't favour. Maybe we should break health and safety rules and let 20000 into Turners Cross? Of course not. As a nation we seriously need to cop on to ourselves and do a bit of thinking rather than reactionary barstool yapping.

The FAI is an organisation that I neither know nor care a lot about. I'm not here to defend them.

But it should be pointed out that your argument is without merit. Cork might well be the second city of RoI but GAA is a 32 County organisation. The second city is Belfast. The fundraiser for Anto Duffy would no doubt have been hosted in a GAA stadium but none with a capacity to even 2000 could be mustered in a city 240% the size of Cork or an urban area 600% the size of Cork? Where was your ire directed then? Or was it silenced by shame?

Fair play to Ulster Rugby. No good reason why GAA could not follow that example



Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
Being discussed right now on Newstalk.
What a shambles.
From a PR perspective, this has to be the association's annus horribilis.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on July 21, 2018, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:57:33 PM

The fundraiser for Anto Duffy would no doubt have been hosted in a GAA stadium but none with a capacity to even 2000 could be mustered in a city 240% the size of Cork or an urban area 600% the size of Cork? Where was your ire directed then? Or was it silenced by shame?

Fair play to Ulster Rugby. No good reason why GAA could not follow that example

What's this about? Who is / was Anto Duffy?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 01:43:10 PM
He means Anto Finnegan.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 21, 2018, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:57:33 PM

The fundraiser for Anto Duffy would no doubt have been hosted in a GAA stadium but none with a capacity to even 2000 could be mustered in a city 240% the size of Cork or an urban area 600% the size of Cork? Where was your ire directed then? Or was it silenced by shame?

Fair play to Ulster Rugby. No good reason why GAA could not follow that example

What's this about? Who is / was Anto Duffy?

Slip of the thumb
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: jmk on July 21, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:34:29 PM
This debacle does not deflect well on our organisation..

The game should go ahead in PuC.

To those who say it can't go ahead because of the rules: can we count at your enthusiastic support to change the rules at next Congress. If not, why not?

To those who say it shouldn't go ahead: why not? If Ulster Rugby had declined to facilitate a similar fund raiser coordinated aroun a GAA star what would the reaction have been?
Its very unlikely for Ulster Rugby to be asked to host a major fundraiser for a GAA  star as multiple GAA facilities in Ulster could be used . The people here who should be coming under criticism are the FAI. When have they ever put a decent stadium in place? No it is always a case of someone else can bale us out.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 21, 2018, 02:40:00 PM
I presume all those who are "outraged" have given a good donation to the cause!
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2018, 02:40:00 PM
I presume all those who are "outraged" have given a good donation to the cause!

Your position has been shown to be terrible and this is your response?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: laoislad on July 21, 2018, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: jmk on July 21, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:34:29 PM
This debacle does not deflect well on our organisation..

The game should go ahead in PuC.

To those who say it can't go ahead because of the rules: can we count at your enthusiastic support to change the rules at next Congress. If not, why not?

To those who say it shouldn't go ahead: why not? If Ulster Rugby had declined to facilitate a similar fund raiser coordinated aroun a GAA star what would the reaction have been?
Its very unlikely for Ulster Rugby to be asked to host a major fundraiser for a GAA  star as multiple GAA facilities in Ulster could be used . The people here who should be coming under criticism are the FAI. When have they ever put a decent stadium in place? No it is always a case of someone else can bale us out.
Nobody is being asked to bail the FAI out. This isn't a FAI event. It's a charity fundraiser.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: jmk on July 21, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:34:29 PM
This debacle does not deflect well on our organisation..

The game should go ahead in PuC.

To those who say it can't go ahead because of the rules: can we count at your enthusiastic support to change the rules at next Congress. If not, why not?

To those who say it shouldn't go ahead: why not? If Ulster Rugby had declined to facilitate a similar fund raiser coordinated aroun a GAA star what would the reaction have been?
Its very unlikely for Ulster Rugby to be asked to host a major fundraiser for a GAA  star as multiple GAA facilities in Ulster could be used . The people here who should be coming under criticism are the FAI. When have they ever put a decent stadium in place? No it is always a case of someone else can bale us out.

You are completely missing the point

Ulster Rugby have already facilitated the fundraiser. And why? Because the GAA didn't have a stadium and would stand accused of everything the FAI are being accused of in Cork.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 03:49:24 PM
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The GAA President and Ard Stiúrthóir, along with representatives of the Cork Committee, are to seek a meeting with the organising committee of the Liam Miller Tribute Match to discuss issues around the game.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1020673187229634561 (https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1020673187229634561)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 03:53:11 PM
The state of the GAA needing the public to tell them when they are being jackasses, always reactionary to the prevailing winds rather than showing any level of awareness. Do the bloody right thing.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
If they do see sense and resolve this issue, I will be delighted for the following reasons:
a) It is 100% the right & decent thing to do and will raise a lot of money for a great cause
and,
b) It will stick it right up all the GAAAAAHH/Grab All Association muppets on social media, who are using this issue as a vehicle for their virulent hatred of gaelic games.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
If they do see sense and resolve this issue, I will be delighted for the following reasons:
a) It is 100% the right & decent thing to do and will raise a lot of money for a great cause
and,
b) It will stick it right up all the GAAAAAHH/Grab All Association muppets on social media, who are using this issue as a vehicle for their virulent hatred of gaelic games.

Those who think B have been sadly proven very right on this one. The GAA relenting because they rightly got dog's abuse won't change that. Getting it right from square one was the only way they could have avoided playing into that image.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
If they do see sense and resolve this issue, I will be delighted for the following reasons:
a) It is 100% the right & decent thing to do and will raise a lot of money for a great cause
and,
b) It will stick it right up all the GAAAAAHH/Grab All Association muppets on social media, who are using this issue as a vehicle for their virulent hatred of gaelic games.

Those who think B have been sadly proven very right on this one. The GAA relenting because they rightly got dog's abuse won't change that. Getting it right from square one was the only way they could have avoided playing into that image.

That's correct. The gracelessness to date means there will be little positive publicity but the sooner the correct decision is made the sooner the negative publicity will end. This is now a case of damage limitation
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Nah, for them to be proven right the GAA would have to dig their heels in now and refuse to budge.
I'm already noticing quite a few of these types on social media saying the organisers should tell the GAA to stick it.
They don't want an outcome where people are saying, "Fair play to the GAA, they admitted they made a mistake."
This has little or nothing to do with Liam Miller for those people.
It's just a stick to beat the GAA with.
I would agree that HQ are basically walking around handing out sticks for the last couple of months, but if there is a reversal here it's because ordinary people, specifically ordinary GAA people, raised their voices, similar to the Newbridge fiasco.
It's interesting that the DG and President are meeting the organisers, which again leads me to believe there may be two distinct factions at play here.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: larryin89 on July 21, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Nah, for them to be proven right the GAA would have to dig their heels in now and refuse to budge.
I'm already noticing quite a few of these types on social media saying the organisers should tell the GAA to stick it.
They don't want an outcome where people are saying, "Fair play to the GAA, they admitted they made a mistake."
This has little or nothing to do with Liam Miller for those people.
It's just a stick to beat the GAA with.
I would agree that HQ are basically walking around handing out sticks for the last couple of months, but if there is a reversal here it's because ordinary people, specifically ordinary GAA people, raised their voices, similar to the Newbridge fiasco.
It's interesting that the DG and President are meeting the organisers, which again leads me to believe there may be two distinct factions at play here.

That's fair enough but where does all this giving into public outcry end , sure will there be any need for a governing body at all?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 04:43:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 21, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Nah, for them to be proven right the GAA would have to dig their heels in now and refuse to budge.
I'm already noticing quite a few of these types on social media saying the organisers should tell the GAA to stick it.
They don't want an outcome where people are saying, "Fair play to the GAA, they admitted they made a mistake."
This has little or nothing to do with Liam Miller for those people.
It's just a stick to beat the GAA with.
I would agree that HQ are basically walking around handing out sticks for the last couple of months, but if there is a reversal here it's because ordinary people, specifically ordinary GAA people, raised their voices, similar to the Newbridge fiasco.
It's interesting that the DG and President are meeting the organisers, which again leads me to believe there may be two distinct factions at play here.

That's fair enough but where does all this giving into public outcry end , sure will there be any need for a governing body at all?

It ends when you get things right and do so quickly.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 21, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Nah, for them to be proven right the GAA would have to dig their heels in now and refuse to budge.
I'm already noticing quite a few of these types on social media saying the organisers should tell the GAA to stick it.
They don't want an outcome where people are saying, "Fair play to the GAA, they admitted they made a mistake."
This has little or nothing to do with Liam Miller for those people.
It's just a stick to beat the GAA with.
I would agree that HQ are basically walking around handing out sticks for the last couple of months, but if there is a reversal here it's because ordinary people, specifically ordinary GAA people, raised their voices, similar to the Newbridge fiasco.
It's interesting that the DG and President are meeting the organisers, which again leads me to believe there may be two distinct factions at play here.

That's fair enough but where does all this giving into public outcry end , sure will there be any need for a governing body at all?

There was an outcry about the Newbridge issue because the optics were so bad, i.e. the big bad corporate GAA basically telling Kildare they had to play in Croke Park even though they were entitled to play at home. Issues like this, which are so inherently unfair, suck in the casual observer who will happily go to bat for 'the little guy'.
In the Miller case, we are talking about a young sportsman, with a young family, who died of cancer.
The money raised by the game will help support his family and cancer research.
The word 'cancer' is emotive enough at the best of times, but when you have someone like Vicky Phelan, who carries herself with such dignity and integrity tweeting extensively about the PUC issue, you need to understand that this is much much bigger than 'the soccer crowd want to use our pitch'.
This is a very specific set of circumstances, unlikely to be repeated again anytime soon.
And if they are repeated, the right thing to do now will still be the right thing to do then.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 21, 2018, 05:19:29 PM
Quote from: jmk on July 21, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:34:29 PM
This debacle does not deflect well on our organisation..

The game should go ahead in PuC.

To those who say it can't go ahead because of the rules: can we count at your enthusiastic support to change the rules at next Congress. If not, why not?

To those who say it shouldn't go ahead: why not? If Ulster Rugby had declined to facilitate a similar fund raiser coordinated aroun a GAA star what would the reaction have been?
Its very unlikely for Ulster Rugby to be asked to host a major fundraiser for a GAA  star as multiple GAA facilities in Ulster could be used . The people here who should be coming under criticism are the FAI. When have they ever put a decent stadium in place? No it is always a case of someone else can bale us out.
Did the IRFU  not host a game in Ravenhill because Belfast has no GAA stadium?

So your point is very silly. And wrong.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mrdeeds on July 21, 2018, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 21, 2018, 05:19:29 PM
Quote from: jmk on July 21, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:34:29 PM
This debacle does not deflect well on our organisation..

The game should go ahead in PuC.

To those who say it can't go ahead because of the rules: can we count at your enthusiastic support to change the rules at next Congress. If not, why not?

To those who say it shouldn't go ahead: why not? If Ulster Rugby had declined to facilitate a similar fund raiser coordinated aroun a GAA star what would the reaction have been?
Its very unlikely for Ulster Rugby to be asked to host a major fundraiser for a GAA  star as multiple GAA facilities in Ulster could be used . The people here who should be coming under criticism are the FAI. When have they ever put a decent stadium in place? No it is always a case of someone else can bale us out.
Did the IRFU  not host a game in Ravenhill because Belfast has no GAA stadium?

So your point is very silly. And wrong.

Yeah for Anto Finnegan.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 07:05:57 PM
Unofficial, but looks like it will go ahead in PUC according to those in the know.

https://twitter.com/cooper_m/status/1020729477519855617 (https://twitter.com/cooper_m/status/1020729477519855617)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 07:05:57 PM
Unofficial, but looks like it will go ahead in PUC according to those in the know.

https://twitter.com/cooper_m/status/1020729477519855617 (https://twitter.com/cooper_m/status/1020729477519855617)
If that is true it is fantastic news
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2018, 08:28:00 PM
Rumours intensified this evening that the GAA had agreed to open the stadium, but RTÉ Sport understands that there has been no update since this statement.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 08:29:01 PM
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Reports this evening that a @PaircUiCha0imh deal has been done have been dismissed by a well-placed source as premature - they're not aware of any deal. Also dismissed by source close to organisers - "adamant" no deal struck.
Expect clarification early in the week

https://twitter.com/SMurphyTV/status/1020750382300114944 (https://twitter.com/SMurphyTV/status/1020750382300114944)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Aviva not available? Bigger ground more money?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2018, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Aviva not available? Bigger ground more money?
It's not in Cork, boy
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Plain of the Herbs on July 21, 2018, 10:04:55 PM
That wouldn't have had the marketing potential that this week's exercise has produced.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Aviva not available? Bigger ground more money?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2018, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 21, 2018, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Aviva not available? Bigger ground more money?
It's not in Cork, boy

And? Dublin is only up the road, I'm sure the family want as much money as they can, Aviva would be obvious, plus playing for Ireland at the National stadium..

Hopefully it's resolved soon..
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 22, 2018, 08:23:49 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report)


If this is true it shows the hypocrisy of the GAA authorities who will allow this game to proceed but refused a similar charity game in Healy Park after 31 people were murdered and hundreds maimed for life by the IRA bombing in Omagh twenty years ago next month.

As sad as it is for Liam Miller's family to lose him due to cancer, I and I would suspect many outraged by the GAA refusal, had never heard of Liam Millar. I knew many of those murdered and maimed in Omagh.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: The Hill is Blue on July 22, 2018, 08:37:36 AM
Of course this event should go ahead in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. It's a disgrace that there should have to be any debate about it.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 22, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 22, 2018, 08:23:49 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report)


If this is true it shows the hypocrisy of the GAA authorities who will allow this game to proceed but refused a similar charity game in Healy Park after 31 people were murdered and hundreds maimed for life by the IRA bombing in Omagh twenty years ago next month.

As sad as it is for Liam Miller's family to lose him due to cancer, I and I would suspect many outraged by the GAA refusal, had never heard of Liam Millar. I knew many of those murdered and maimed in Omagh.

My sympathies on how you were impacted by the Omagh atrocity.

As for the GAA it is important that an embarrassingly awful decision in respect to Omagh is not used as a binding precedent to force a similarly awful decision in Cork.

When you stop following your own mistakes you will be accused of inconsistency and hypocrisy. But when the alternative is continuing the mistakes it's what you have to do
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 09:50:40 AM
Surely if soccer is your game or rugby or GAA, would you not want to remember having a charity game at the place were he was best remembered by? And In doing so finding the best, biggest venue?

For Liam the Aviva would have brought the biggest revenue plus his games for Ireland serving as a great reminder of his talent.. Even Celtic Park. Finishing his career back in Cork in Turners Cross would also be a better place

Playing in PUC has no relevance at all other than to generate money.. Aviva would bring a lot more money for his family I'd have thought.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 22, 2018, 08:23:49 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report)


If this is true it shows the hypocrisy of the GAA authorities who will allow this game to proceed but refused a similar charity game in Healy Park after 31 people were murdered and hundreds maimed for life by the IRA bombing in Omagh twenty years ago next month.

As sad as it is for Liam Miller's family to lose him due to cancer, I and I would suspect many outraged by the GAA refusal, had never heard of Liam Millar. I knew many of those murdered and maimed in Omagh.
It would be hypocritical of the GAA to open Croke Park to rugby 11 years ago.
It would be hypocritical of SF to go into government with Paisley. It would be hypocritical of QE 2 to speak irish

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 09:50:40 AM
Surely if soccer is your game or rugby or GAA, would you not want to remember having a charity game at the place were he was best remembered by? And In doing so finding the best, biggest venue?

For Liam the Aviva would have brought the biggest revenue plus his games for Ireland serving as a great reminder of his talent.. Even Celtic Park. Finishing his career back in Cork in Turners Cross would also be a better place

Playing in PUC has no relevance at all other than to generate money.. Aviva would bring a lot more money for his family I'd have thought.

Cork is the only county this would happen in.
Dublin is another country to them.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: spuds on July 22, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 09:50:40 AM
Surely if soccer is your game or rugby or GAA, would you not want to remember having a charity game at the place were he was best remembered by? And In doing so finding the best, biggest venue?

For Liam the Aviva would have brought the biggest revenue plus his games for Ireland serving as a great reminder of his talent.. Even Celtic Park. Finishing his career back in Cork in Turners Cross would also be a better place

Playing in PUC has no relevance at all other than to generate money.. Aviva would bring a lot more money for his family I'd have thought.

Cork is the only county this would happen in.
Dublin is another country to them.
+1
You got to understand that Cork people are not joking when on about peoples republic of Cork.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 22, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
While I've great sympathy with the family here I find that the GAA has been put in an invidious position. This is an FAI thing not a GAA thing. Play the game at Aviva. If the soccer community in Ireland want to support this worthwhile event then they will travel to Dublin. The FAI are loving this as it's bad news for the gaa and making them out to be terrible. If they had any balls they would have stepped in and said they would do it and provide a chartered train or planes to Dublin from
Cork to facilitate it but they have nothing in them so what would you expect.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I'm viewing this like someone going into Ashers and asking for a gay cake
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 22, 2018, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I'm viewing this like someone going into Ashers and asking for a gay cake
If Ashers had taken public money for capital works and signed a document explicitly saying they had to bake gay cakes if asked you may have a point.

But they didn't and Cork co board did sign a form allowing events like this. A fact the mayor of cork knew when he approached them.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 22, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 22, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
While I've great sympathy with the family here I find that the GAA has been put in an invidious position. This is an FAI thing not a GAA thing. Play the game at Aviva. If the soccer community in Ireland want to support this worthwhile event then they will travel to Dublin. The FAI are loving this as it's bad news for the gaa and making them out to be terrible. If they had any balls they would have stepped in and said they would do it and provide a chartered train or planes to Dublin from
Cork to facilitate it but they have nothing in them so what would you expect.
Its an impressive bit of spin to turn the FAI into the villians if this saga. There is loyalty and then there is stupidity.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2018, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 22, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
While I've great sympathy with the family here I find that the GAA has been put in an invidious position. This is an FAI thing not a GAA thing. Play the game at Aviva. If the soccer community in Ireland want to support this worthwhile event then they will travel to Dublin. The FAI are loving this as it's bad news for the gaa and making them out to be terrible. If they had any balls they would have stepped in and said they would do it and provide a chartered train or planes to Dublin from
Cork to facilitate it but they have nothing in them so what would you expect.

Not your finest hour it has to be said.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 22, 2018, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I'm viewing this like someone going into Ashers and asking for a gay cake
If Ashers had taken public money for capital works and signed a document explicitly saying they had to bake gay cakes if asked you may have a point.

But they didn't and Cork co board did sign a form allowing events like this. A fact the mayor of cork knew when he approached them.

So the mayor asked for PUC? Not the family?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
Liam Miller fundraiser reportedly confirmed to take place in Páirc Uí Chaoimh

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/liam-miller-fundraiser-take-place-pairc-ui-chaoimh-169453 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/liam-miller-fundraiser-take-place-pairc-ui-chaoimh-169453)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 22, 2018, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 22, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
While I've great sympathy with the family here I find that the GAA has been put in an invidious position. This is an FAI thing not a GAA thing. Play the game at Aviva. If the soccer community in Ireland want to support this worthwhile event then they will travel to Dublin. The FAI are loving this as it's bad news for the gaa and making them out to be terrible. If they had any balls they would have stepped in and said they would do it and provide a chartered train or planes to Dublin from
Cork to facilitate it but they have nothing in them so what would you expect.

That's an oversimplification of the issue.

It's a FAI thing that there is such limited capacity in Cork. Just as it was a GAA thing that there was such limited capacity in Belfast.

It's a GAA thing that a very reasonable request cannot be immediately engaged with positively

If the position is invidious it so of the GAA's own making
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: sid waddell on July 22, 2018, 08:55:58 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 22, 2018, 08:23:49 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/liam-miller-irish-sport-body-allows-charity-game-for-late-man-utd-star-report)


If this is true it shows the hypocrisy of the GAA authorities who will allow this game to proceed but refused a similar charity game in Healy Park after 31 people were murdered and hundreds maimed for life by the IRA bombing in Omagh twenty years ago next month.

As sad as it is for Liam Miller's family to lose him due to cancer, I and I would suspect many outraged by the GAA refusal, had never heard of Liam Millar. I knew many of those murdered and maimed in Omagh.
So what you're saying is that because the GAA were wrong 20 years ago, they should be wrong again here, just for the sake of consistency?

I'm not quite sure what you never having heard of Liam Miller has to do with anything, except to suggest that you may have been living under a rock for the past 15 years.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 22, 2018, 10:41:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 22, 2018, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I'm viewing this like someone going into Ashers and asking for a gay cake
If Ashers had taken public money for capital works and signed a document explicitly saying they had to bake gay cakes if asked you may have a point.

But they didn't and Cork co board did sign a form allowing events like this. A fact the mayor of cork knew when he approached them.

So the mayor asked for PUC? Not the family?
That is my understanding. The family arent involved in the logistics of the game. Yhete is a committee and Roy Keane and the mayor are on it.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I'm viewing this like someone going into Ashers and asking for a gay cake

???
What does... never mind.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: TheClubman on July 23, 2018, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 22, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
While I've great sympathy with the family here I find that the GAA has been put in an invidious position. This is an FAI thing not a GAA thing. Play the game at Aviva. If the soccer community in Ireland want to support this worthwhile event then they will travel to Dublin. The FAI are loving this as it's bad news for the gaa and making them out to be terrible. If they had any balls they would have stepped in and said they would do it and provide a chartered train or planes to Dublin from
Cork to facilitate it but they have nothing in them so what would you expect.

100% agree. This is down to the failures of the FAI. Some of them will never forgive the GAA for letting them into Croke Park when they were homeless.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Hound on July 23, 2018, 11:04:55 AM
I'm all for letting them play a charity match in PuC, but would you get a big crowd for watching oul lads jog/walk around a pitch, even if it is a very good cause?

ManU team confirmed as made up of Denis Irwin, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, Jaap Stam, Rio Ferdinand, Louis Saha and Quentin Fortune, plus some fillers in.

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
My gut feeling is the game will go ahead in PUC and will draw a crowd of around 20-25,000.
The last couple of days has demonstrated for me that there are a significant number of ordinary, decent, frustrated and annoyed people who would like this game to go ahead in PUC for all the right reasons, but there are also a lot of very bitter soccer fans who see this as an opportunity to stick the knife into the GAA.
The latter cohort have been very vocal on social media, however, I doubt they have any intention of attending the game.
Most of them seem to be Shamrock Rovers fans anyway.
When it was incorrectly reported that PUC was going to be opened for the game, it quickly became apparent that this wasn't really about Liam Miller for them.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Billys Boots on July 23, 2018, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: five points on July 19, 2018, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Should they have allowed this? Of course. Could they without passing a motion at congress? Probably not.

The fact that this is nothing more than a charity game could perhaps have gotten around the rules but wasn't there even a thing in Longford where they allowed facilities be used for a kids summer camp for soccer and got punished by HQ??

That article in the rules needs to go especially f the American Football is somehow being allowed.

Not unrelated to the fact that a Premiership soccer star jetted in and bragged to the local media something stupid about soccer taking over from Irish football in that part of the world.  He ended up paying the fine for the club.

Your first claim is false.  Your second claim is true.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?


Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?

Honestly I have no issue with it, if they are willing to cover the costs of opening PUC for the evening. No problem. It's for a good cause.
My issue is with people using it to bash the GAA. People who have no interest in GAA, who look over the fence and refuse to see the amount of good such an organisation does up and down the country. An organisation I am proud to be a member of. Yes it isn't perfect, but it's better run than most other sporting organisations in the world. McKenna and Brolly have latched onto it as another Arrow to their GAA bashing Bow. I also think a lot of soccer heads have jumped on it and made a huge issue out of it.

There are alternatives that weren't explored. The FAI and Cork City are looking like the amateurs they are. This could have been handled a lot better rather than the megaphone diplomacy that it has now descended to.
A rule change is needed. But I doubt it will pass congress.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

Good shout....
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 23, 2018, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
My gut feeling is the game will go ahead in PUC and will draw a crowd of around 20-25,000.
The last couple of days has demonstrated for me that there are a significant number of ordinary, decent, frustrated and annoyed people who would like this game to go ahead in PUC for all the right reasons, but there are also a lot of very bitter soccer fans who see this as an opportunity to stick the knife into the GAA.
The latter cohort have been very vocal on social media, however, I doubt they have any intention of attending the game.
Most of them seem to be Shamrock Rovers fans anyway.
When it was incorrectly reported that PUC was going to be opened for the game, it quickly became apparent that this wasn't really about Liam Miller for them.

Again, the GAA suits proved those people right this time, Jinxy. There's something horribly wrong culturally in GAA officialdom when you look at some of the insane decisions made in the last 12 months.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 23, 2018, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?

So the GAA took 30 mil, knowing they would have to break/change their rules.. I'd like to see the detail in that agreement, have you a link to the actual agreement? or are you just talking out your arse?

Surely Cork Gaa would have changed the rules to allow soccer games to be played at PUC on receiving that money?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on July 23, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 23, 2018, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
My gut feeling is the game will go ahead in PUC and will draw a crowd of around 20-25,000.
The last couple of days has demonstrated for me that there are a significant number of ordinary, decent, frustrated and annoyed people who would like this game to go ahead in PUC for all the right reasons, but there are also a lot of very bitter soccer fans who see this as an opportunity to stick the knife into the GAA.
The latter cohort have been very vocal on social media, however, I doubt they have any intention of attending the game.
Most of them seem to be Shamrock Rovers fans anyway.
When it was incorrectly reported that PUC was going to be opened for the game, it quickly became apparent that this wasn't really about Liam Miller for them.

Again, the GAA suits proved those people right this firm Jinxy. There's something horribly wrong culturally in GAA officialdom when you look at some of the insane decisions made in the last 12 months.

Whoever their PR guy is, he needs to go. There will be case studies done in future using the GAA's handling of events recently as WHAT NOT TO DO when dealing with a crisis.

Their latest screw up is yet another own goal. It's one thing to announce they plan on meeting with the organisers of the game but it turns out they released this statement on twitter before they had even picked up the phone/sent an e-mail to set it up!!!

They really are their own worst enemy. It seems the suits in Croke Park think they are right and everyone else is in the wrong. Clearly they have learned nothing from the Newbridge fiasco
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:10:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 23, 2018, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?

So the GAA took 30 mil, knowing they would have to break/change their rules.. I'd like to see the detail in that agreement, have you a link to the actual agreement? or are you just talking out your arse?

Surely Cork Gaa would have changed the rules to allow soccer games to be played at PUC on receiving that money?
The agreement was linked to a couple of pages in in a Tweet and hsd bern mentioned in tbe media at kength.

Surely is the word.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?

Honestly I have no issue with it, if they are willing to cover the costs of opening PUC for the evening. No problem. It's for a good cause.
My issue is with people using it to bash the GAA. People who have no interest in GAA, who look over the fence and refuse to see the amount of good such an organisation does up and down the country. An organisation I am proud to be a member of. Yes it isn't perfect, but it's better run than most other sporting organisations in the world. McKenna and Brolly have latched onto it as another Arrow to their GAA bashing Bow. I also think a lot of soccer heads have jumped on it and made a huge issue out of it.

There are alternatives that weren't explored. The FAI and Cork City are looking like the amateurs they are. This could have been handled a lot better rather than the megaphone diplomacy that it has now descended to.
A rule change is needed. But I doubt it will pass congress.
What have Cork City got to do with this?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 23, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 23, 2018, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
My gut feeling is the game will go ahead in PUC and will draw a crowd of around 20-25,000.
The last couple of days has demonstrated for me that there are a significant number of ordinary, decent, frustrated and annoyed people who would like this game to go ahead in PUC for all the right reasons, but there are also a lot of very bitter soccer fans who see this as an opportunity to stick the knife into the GAA.
The latter cohort have been very vocal on social media, however, I doubt they have any intention of attending the game.
Most of them seem to be Shamrock Rovers fans anyway.
When it was incorrectly reported that PUC was going to be opened for the game, it quickly became apparent that this wasn't really about Liam Miller for them.

Again, the GAA suits proved those people right this firm Jinxy. There's something horribly wrong culturally in GAA officialdom when you look at some of the insane decisions made in the last 12 months.

Whoever their PR guy is, he needs to go. There will be case studies done in future using the GAA's handling of events recently as WHAT NOT TO DO when dealing with a crisis.

Their latest screw up is yet another own goal. It's one thing to announce they plan on meeting with the organisers of the game but it turns out they released this statement on twitter before they had even picked up the phone/sent an e-mail to set it up!!!

They really are their own worst enemy. It seems the suits in Croke Park think they are right and everyone else is in the wrong. Clearly they have learned nothing from the Newbridge fiasco

Lisa Clancy used to be head of communications and prior to that role she worked for the HSE I think.
It's Alan Milton now, but he comes from a journalism background as far as I'm aware.
He was an absolute disaster on the radio after the Newbridge affair was resolved.
This is why big organisations need professional PR types.
They are hard-wired to think a couple of steps ahead and understand the importance of optics.
Once the public turn on you, you're into damage limitation territory.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on July 23, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 23, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 23, 2018, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
My gut feeling is the game will go ahead in PUC and will draw a crowd of around 20-25,000.
The last couple of days has demonstrated for me that there are a significant number of ordinary, decent, frustrated and annoyed people who would like this game to go ahead in PUC for all the right reasons, but there are also a lot of very bitter soccer fans who see this as an opportunity to stick the knife into the GAA.
The latter cohort have been very vocal on social media, however, I doubt they have any intention of attending the game.
Most of them seem to be Shamrock Rovers fans anyway.
When it was incorrectly reported that PUC was going to be opened for the game, it quickly became apparent that this wasn't really about Liam Miller for them.

Again, the GAA suits proved those people right this firm Jinxy. There's something horribly wrong culturally in GAA officialdom when you look at some of the insane decisions made in the last 12 months.

Whoever their PR guy is, he needs to go. There will be case studies done in future using the GAA's handling of events recently as WHAT NOT TO DO when dealing with a crisis.

Their latest screw up is yet another own goal. It's one thing to announce they plan on meeting with the organisers of the game but it turns out they released this statement on twitter before they had even picked up the phone/sent an e-mail to set it up!!!

They really are their own worst enemy. It seems the suits in Croke Park think they are right and everyone else is in the wrong. Clearly they have learned nothing from the Newbridge fiasco

Lisa Clancy used to be head of communications and prior to that role she worked for the HSE I think.
It's Alan Milton now, but he comes from a journalism background as far as I'm aware.
He was an absolute disaster on the radio after the Newbridge affair was resolved.
This is why big organisations need professional PR types.
They are hard-wired to think a couple of steps ahead and understand the importance of optics.
Once the public turn on you, you're into damage limitation territory.
Alan Milton was out of his depth in that Newbridge interview.
The GAA has had a few nightmares recently and has a serious problem understanding social media and how to deal with it.
They don't seem to know how to act strategically- when to make their point, and when to cede what doesn't actually matter.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Billys Boots on July 23, 2018, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better

But not the spelling.   :P
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better

;)
Welcome aboard, Paul.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 23, 2018, 11:26:43 PM
Bernard Flynn tweeting game now on in PuC
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:32:31 PM
You can take it to the bank so...
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 23, 2018, 11:49:34 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 23, 2018, 11:26:43 PM
Bernard Flynn tweeting game now on in PuC

There will be a sickening number of autographs signed after this one..
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rrhf on July 24, 2018, 08:21:55 AM
Big day for John Horan. Following this he needs to put our house in order.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: johnnycool on July 24, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

Just to clarify this point, The GAA didn't go to Ulster Rugby for access to Ravenhill, it was the team organising the fundraiser with Anto, just like the FAI have nothing to do with the Liam Millar fund raiser.

I presume Anto and their fundraising team had their own public liability insurance as well.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on July 24, 2018, 10:12:31 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on July 23, 2018, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: five points on July 19, 2018, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Should they have allowed this? Of course. Could they without passing a motion at congress? Probably not.

The fact that this is nothing more than a charity game could perhaps have gotten around the rules but wasn't there even a thing in Longford where they allowed facilities be used for a kids summer camp for soccer and got punished by HQ??

That article in the rules needs to go especially f the American Football is somehow being allowed.

Not unrelated to the fact that a Premiership soccer star jetted in and bragged to the local media something stupid about soccer taking over from Irish football in that part of the world.  He ended up paying the fine for the club.

Your first claim is false.  Your second claim is true.

So Carragher didn't make the statement that the Longford Leader, among others, reported?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
I must be missing something, but why don't the Liam Miller organising committee call it a GAA match?
If none of the players handle the ball then so be it.

Sorted!
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: blanketattack on July 24, 2018, 12:34:55 PM
Why does someone who earned over £10 million, has a large PFA pension and has the mortgage paid off need a fundraiser for his family?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 24, 2018, 12:38:39 PM
You seem nice
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: smelmoth on July 24, 2018, 12:52:19 PM
For those who claim this is a FAI problem and reflects badly on that organisation, can they help me with these;

1. The GAA decline to host a charity fund raiser notwithstanding that they have the most suitable facility. This does not reflect badly on the GAA because.......?

2. GAA claim it's their own rules that prevent their support of a good cause and that these rules cannot be reviewed until next year. This does not reflect badly on the GAA because.......?

3. GAA cannot agree if their own rules allow them to support this good cause in the manner requested. This does not reflect badly on the GAA because.......?

4. The GAA accept funding on the condition that they use a specific facility to support charitable activity and then proceed to refuse the requested use of the facility for a charitable event. This does not reflect badly on the GAA because.......?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: sligoman2 on July 24, 2018, 12:54:49 PM
In my opinion the gaa need to be more proactive. This is 2018 and they won't get away with doing things the old way.  I'm not saying they are at fault here but they are relying on a system that can only change things once a year, which won't cut it in the modern era.  People are tuned in to social media, phones, websites Etc, not like the old days when all the news you got was from one tv station, the indo or the neighbour while smoking a fag outside the church after mass.
The days of dictates like the ban or changing venues for profit are over.  This is not about promoting another sport it's about charity and I hope common sense prevails.  The gaa need some policy changes to allow them to deal with "unforeseen events" on the fly and not waiting foe a congress that could be 12 months away...
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: joemamas on July 24, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:32:31 PM
You can take it to the bank so...

::) ::)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: heffo on July 24, 2018, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 23, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 23, 2018, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
My gut feeling is the game will go ahead in PUC and will draw a crowd of around 20-25,000.
The last couple of days has demonstrated for me that there are a significant number of ordinary, decent, frustrated and annoyed people who would like this game to go ahead in PUC for all the right reasons, but there are also a lot of very bitter soccer fans who see this as an opportunity to stick the knife into the GAA.
The latter cohort have been very vocal on social media, however, I doubt they have any intention of attending the game.
Most of them seem to be Shamrock Rovers fans anyway.
When it was incorrectly reported that PUC was going to be opened for the game, it quickly became apparent that this wasn't really about Liam Miller for them.

Again, the GAA suits proved those people right this firm Jinxy. There's something horribly wrong culturally in GAA officialdom when you look at some of the insane decisions made in the last 12 months.

Whoever their PR guy is, he needs to go. There will be case studies done in future using the GAA's handling of events recently as WHAT NOT TO DO when dealing with a crisis.

Their latest screw up is yet another own goal. It's one thing to announce they plan on meeting with the organisers of the game but it turns out they released this statement on twitter before they had even picked up the phone/sent an e-mail to set it up!!!

They really are their own worst enemy. It seems the suits in Croke Park think they are right and everyone else is in the wrong. Clearly they have learned nothing from the Newbridge fiasco

Lisa Clancy used to be head of communications and prior to that role she worked for the HSE I think.
It's Alan Milton now, but he comes from a journalism background as far as I'm aware.

Her contract wasn't renewed.

Alan was the GAA editor of the Irish Sun, he's also very involved with his club.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Kidder81 on July 24, 2018, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 24, 2018, 12:34:55 PM
Why does someone who earned over £10 million, has a large PFA pension and has the mortgage paid off need a fundraiser for his family?

It's a fair question, all money raised should go directly to charity
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better

;)
Welcome aboard, Paul.

I thought it was obvious some while back.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 24, 2018, 03:14:47 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 24, 2018, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 24, 2018, 12:34:55 PM
Why does someone who earned over £10 million, has a large PFA pension and has the mortgage paid off need a fundraiser for his family?

It's a fair question, all money raised should go directly to charity

Yes - agree 100%.

Jesus - if I popped my clogs tomorrow my family will be well catered for financially due to the insurance policies I've had since I could afford one. Why do the family need a dig-out?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 24, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
If the GAA wanted to go questioning the worthiness of this charity event they ship has sailed given their earlier statment:

"The Association re-affirms its offer to provide hospitality facilities at the venue free gratis to assist fundraising efforts around the Liam Miller Tribute Match and wish the event organisers every success in their endeavours."


It's not purely about the GAA and PuC, nothing else.

/Jim.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 04:25:26 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
I must be missing something, but why don't the Liam Miller organising committee call it a GAA match?
If none of the players handle the ball then so be it.

Sorted!
Because its 2018 and for a hospice.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on July 24, 2018, 04:54:57 PM
Why can't they have hurling and football in De Páirc so between Cork legends and  rest of Ireland legends?
Have the "outraged" and the Gahbashers made their contributions to the fund  yet?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better

;)
Welcome aboard, Paul.

I thought it was obvious some while back.
You seriously think im paul kimmage? Thats nuts fellas
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2018, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2018, 04:54:57 PM
Why can't they have hurling and football in De Páirc so between Cork legends and  rest of Ireland legends?
Have the "outraged" and the Gahbashers made their contributions to the fund  yet?

Because he's a fûcking professional soccer player. Are you incapable of accepting that you might be wrong?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2018, 05:30:50 PM
https://twitter.com/mlverney/status/1021788928356102144 (https://twitter.com/mlverney/status/1021788928356102144)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 24, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
Bernard Flynn either:

(i) a prophet
(ii) a gobshite
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dec on July 24, 2018, 06:35:19 PM
5.1 Uses of Property
(a) All property including grounds, Club Houses, Halls,
Dressing Rooms and Handball Alleys owned or
controlled by units of the Association shall be used
only for the purpose of or in connection with the
playing of the Games controlled by the Association,
and for such other purposes not in conflict with
the Aims and Objects of the Association, that may
be sanctioned from time to time by the Central
Council.


Is a charity soccer game "in conflict with the Aims and Objects of the Association"?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 24, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
Bernard Flynn either:

(i) a prophet
(ii) a gobshite

He can be both.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on July 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 24, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 24, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
Bernard Flynn either:

(i) a prophet
(ii) a gobshite

He can be both.

Who in God's me is advising the GAA. Release a statement saying they met Liam Miller committee and will further discuss the matter. Do they just want more media attention and enjoy being the bad guys????
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 24, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 24, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
Bernard Flynn either:

(i) a prophet
(ii) a gobshite

He can be both.

Who in God's me is advising the GAA. Release a statement saying they met Liam Miller committee and will further discuss the matter. Do they just want more media attention and enjoy being the bad guys????

Even naming the GAA attendees by title and the committe members by name. Thats plain rude.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on July 24, 2018, 07:21:58 PM
If you're going to bring the committee lads up to dublin from Cork surely it's just to say lads we've decided to let you use PuC. To bring them up only to tell them its a definite no or even what they've done and basically said we will think about it and get back to you is just ridiculous
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2018, 07:26:36 PM
It is really incredible that this is still on-going. The GAA are just buying themselves bad publicity by not just saying they're making the Murphy Bowl available for the charity match. Let the technicalities be ironed out behind the scenes and not in a media circus.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2018, 08:13:35 PM
I'd say the conversation was along the lines of, the game will go ahead in PUC, but let us take it from here in terms of managing the announcement/message so we can claw back some goodwill.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2018, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 24, 2018, 08:13:35 PM
I'd say the conversation was along the lines of, the game will go ahead in PUC, but let us take it from here in terms of managing the announcement/message so we can claw back some goodwill.

Uhh, if that's really how it went the GAA really needs a new PR head.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Stall the Bailer on July 24, 2018, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: dec on July 24, 2018, 06:35:19 PM
5.1 Uses of Property
(a) All property including grounds, Club Houses, Halls,
Dressing Rooms and Handball Alleys owned or
controlled by units of the Association shall be used
only for the purpose of or in connection with the
playing of the Games controlled by the Association,
and for such other purposes not in conflict with
the Aims and Objects of the Association, that may
be sanctioned from time to time by the Central
Council.


Is a charity soccer game "in conflict with the Aims and Objects of the Association"?
One of the aims of the GAA is
The Association shall actively support the Irish
language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song,
and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster
an awareness and love of the national ideals in
the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a
community spirit through its clubs 

I feel this charity event meets the last line, of promoting a community spirit. I also feel the actions to date from HQ on this do nothing for the promotion of our games and pass times.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on August 09, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
soccer/other-soccer/revealed-man-united-legends-confirmed-for-liam-miller-tribute-match-in-starstudded-lineups-37199690.html

It was also agreed that the most suitable way to celebrate and recognise Liam's involvement in GAA sport at a juvenile level is to have juvenile exhibition games, in both football and hurling, at half time involving young boys and girls from Liam's club Éire Óg," Mr O'Flynn said.


An classy ar fad
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: magpie seanie on August 09, 2018, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 09, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
soccer/other-soccer/revealed-man-united-legends-confirmed-for-liam-miller-tribute-match-in-starstudded-lineups-37199690.html

It was also agreed that the most suitable way to celebrate and recognise Liam's involvement in GAA sport at a juvenile level is to have juvenile exhibition games, in both football and hurling, at half time involving young boys and girls from Liam's club Éire Óg," Mr O'Flynn said.


An classy ar fad

Dinosaurs Ted.  ;D
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on August 09, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on July 24, 2018, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: dec on July 24, 2018, 06:35:19 PM
5.1 Uses of Property
(a) All property including grounds, Club Houses, Halls,
Dressing Rooms and Handball Alleys owned or
controlled by units of the Association shall be used
only for the purpose of or in connection with the
playing of the Games controlled by the Association,
and for such other purposes not in conflict with
the Aims and Objects of the Association, that may
be sanctioned from time to time by the Central
Council.


Is a charity soccer game "in conflict with the Aims and Objects of the Association"?
One of the aims of the GAA is
The Association shall actively support the Irish
language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song,
and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster
an awareness and love of the national ideals in
the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a
community spirit through its clubs 

I feel this charity event meets the last line, of promoting a community spirit. I also feel the actions to date from HQ on this do nothing for the promotion of our games and pass times.

this is an appreciation game  not a charity match . for the for the family of a well paid ex-profesional who died young leaving an estate Valued 14 Million
even in a no sporting context  that put him a the hifher end of the wealth spectrum not a charity case
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: The PRO on August 10, 2018, 07:34:45 AM
Is Duff happy to play in the "dinosaurs" stadium now? The p***k.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: laoislad on September 25, 2018, 03:53:57 PM
Massive crowd in Páirc Uí Chaoimh. Great to see.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 25, 2018, 03:53:57 PM
Massive crowd in Páirc Uí Chaoimh. Great to see.

42,878

Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I'm sure details will be released when they are available
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: snoopdog on September 25, 2018, 06:14:05 PM
Sh1t song choice for lap of honour.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on September 25, 2018, 07:01:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0925/998060-liam-miller/
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Hound on September 25, 2018, 07:37:35 PM
Fair play to all, seemed like a good event. I imagine ManU fans in particular would have enjoyed it, some great moments from the class of 92, even an ABU like me loved the banter between Butt and Neville!

Although, given it was played in a GAA ground, it was sticking out that Dublin still managed to win it!
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on September 25, 2018, 10:34:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 25, 2018, 07:37:35 PM
Fair play to all, seemed like a good event. I imagine ManU fans in particular would have enjoyed it, some great moments from the class of 92, even an ABU like me loved the banter between Butt and Neville!

Although, given it was played in a GAA ground, it was sticking out that Dublin still managed to win it!

Very good.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: LeoMc on September 27, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway

Who did they sell out?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on September 28, 2018, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,
Let it go. The fact so many players turned up for this to me shows how popular he was with his teamates. If you're so bitter you can't let a wdiow and kids have a day dedicated to their husband/father then I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,

Its not a red herring. The specific document they signed explicitly ceding control has been linked to. Cork County Board took money explicitly on the agreement they would host events like this.

It was a chatiry event, for a hospice, and you have no idea what individuals contributed.

You are blaming Delaney because there is more money in English soccer than Irish? Really? Out of interest what does his GAA equivalent earn?

They own plenty of decent stadia, thats a red herring. They just dont need a 45,000 seater in Cork. The place they have there is fit for purpose and better than most county grounds.

Its not about 'allieviating' his death. It was abour Cork celebrating him and making money for the hospice he died in. That this offends you says more about you then them. Duff wasnt completely wrong, you need watching.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: snoopdog on September 28, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,

Its not a red herring. The specific document they signed explicitly ceding control has been linked to. Cork County Board took money explicitly on the agreement they would host events like this.

It was a chatiry event, for a hospice, and you have no idea what individuals contributed.

You are blaming Delaney because there is more money in English soccer than Irish? Really? Out of interest what does his GAA equivalent earn?

They own plenty of decent stadia, thats a red herring. They just dont need a 45,000 seater in Cork. The place they have there is fit for purpose and better than most county grounds.

Its not about 'allieviating' his death. It was abour Cork celebrating him and making money for the hospice he died in. That this offends you says more about you then them. Duff wasnt completely wrong, you need watching.
Where are these decent stadia the FAI own? Bar Tallaght which was built by the city council. ?  Didnt cork citys shed blow away last year.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on September 28, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
Rosnarun  isn't the only one who "needs watching" .
The " great Gael" Brigín is showing his soccer loving narrow mindedness again.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 28, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,

Its not a red herring. The specific document they signed explicitly ceding control has been linked to. Cork County Board took money explicitly on the agreement they would host events like this.

It was a chatiry event, for a hospice, and you have no idea what individuals contributed.

You are blaming Delaney because there is more money in English soccer than Irish? Really? Out of interest what does his GAA equivalent earn?

They own plenty of decent stadia, thats a red herring. They just dont need a 45,000 seater in Cork. The place they have there is fit for purpose and better than most county grounds.

Its not about 'allieviating' his death. It was abour Cork celebrating him and making money for the hospice he died in. That this offends you says more about you then them. Duff wasnt completely wrong, you need watching.
Where are these decent stadia the FAI own? Bar Tallaght which was built by the city council. ?  Didnt cork citys shed blow away last year.
Soccer assosciations dont generally own stadia, usually the clubs do. The FAI as far as I know own (half) of LR, Turners Cross, Deacy Park and United Park. But my point was LoI faciities are the same as county grounds. Some good, some bad, some terrible, and rarely full. The difference is size, why would they build bigger?

I recall that. During a hurricane was it not? Is there a point there?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
Rosnarun  isn't the only one who "needs watching" .
The " great Gael" Brigín is showing his soccer loving narrow mindedness again.
Yeah, thinking that the GAA ballsed this up makes me the narrow minded one. Thinking that hating soccee should not guide GAA policy meams I love it.

Get up the yard you clown
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on September 28, 2018, 05:34:47 PM
The nasty comment -typical soccer yobbishness ;)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: omaghjoe on September 28, 2018, 06:04:19 PM
I was ok with soccer b4 this fiasco and ok with this match being played in PuC, Croker being opened up, and Healy being used inn 98.

But some of crap that has come from the soccer crowd has made me think twice about that. The entitlement and self righteousness they have displayed makes me think fuk em for any future tournaments they want to hold using GAA grounds.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: snoopdog on September 28, 2018, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 28, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,

Its not a red herring. The specific document they signed explicitly ceding control has been linked to. Cork County Board took money explicitly on the agreement they would host events like this.

It was a chatiry event, for a hospice, and you have no idea what individuals contributed.

You are blaming Delaney because there is more money in English soccer than Irish? Really? Out of interest what does his GAA equivalent earn?

They own plenty of decent stadia, thats a red herring. They just dont need a 45,000 seater in Cork. The place they have there is fit for purpose and better than most county grounds.

Its not about 'allieviating' his death. It was abour Cork celebrating him and making money for the hospice he died in. That this offends you says more about you then them. Duff wasnt completely wrong, you need watching.
Where are these decent stadia the FAI own? Bar Tallaght which was built by the city council. ?  Didnt cork citys shed blow away last year.
Soccer assosciations dont generally own stadia, usually the clubs do. The FAI as far as I know own (half) of LR, Turners Cross, Deacy Park and United Park. But my point was LoI faciities are the same as county grounds. Some good, some bad, some terrible, and rarely full. The difference is size, why would they build bigger?

I recall that. During a hurricane was it not? Is there a point there?
I would say very few soccer grounds are up to most county ground standards.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on September 28, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
The GAA has too many large grounds around the country. Thurles, Limerick and now cork all with 40k seater stadiums in munster alone. Might only be full once or twice a year if they are lucky.

Cork city have a ground with a capacity of 7/8k which suits  them perfectly. Hopefully Waterford co board show some common sense unlike their provincial colleagues and build a smaller ground more suitable to their needs.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on September 28, 2018, 08:32:00 PM
Thurles, Limerick or De Páirc haven't got 40,000 seats.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: omaghjoe on September 28, 2018, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 28, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
The GAA has too many large grounds around the country. Thurles, Limerick and now cork all with 40k seater stadiums in munster alone. Might only be full once or twice a year if they are lucky.

Cork city have a ground with a capacity of 7/8k which suits  them perfectly. Hopefully Waterford co board show some common sense unlike their provincial colleagues and build a smaller ground more suitable to their needs.

GAA and soccer capacity requirements are different. Soccer clubs are looking to make their grounds as small as possible to suit their average gate as they need to turn a profit by keeping costs down. And the while GAA is also cost constrained it is geared much more towards its members needs than profit. So it leans more to accommodating its members and followers by allowing their grounds to be big enough so that everyone can attend big matches

7/8k seems large for a soccer club. How often do Cork city fill it?  Also didn't they go bust a few years back?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on September 28, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 28, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
The GAA has too many large grounds around the country. Thurles, Limerick and now cork all with 40k seater stadiums in munster alone. Might only be full once or twice a year if they are lucky.

Cork city have a ground with a capacity of 7/8k which suits  them perfectly. Hopefully Waterford co board show some common sense unlike their provincial colleagues and build a smaller ground more suitable to their needs.
Waterford had to play all of their home round robin games away this year. The new format increases demand for the bigger capacity grounds.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2018, 09:26:08 PM
In the super counties. Not the rest.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 28, 2018, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 28, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
The GAA has too many large grounds around the country. Thurles, Limerick and now cork all with 40k seater stadiums in munster alone. Might only be full once or twice a year if they are lucky.

Cork city have a ground with a capacity of 7/8k which suits  them perfectly. Hopefully Waterford co board show some common sense unlike their provincial colleagues and build a smaller ground more suitable to their needs.

GAA and soccer capacity requirements are different. Soccer clubs are looking to make their grounds as small as possible to suit their average gate as they need to turn a profit by keeping costs down. And the while GAA is also cost constrained it is geared much more towards its members needs than profit. So it leans more to accommodating its members and followers by allowing their grounds to be big enough so that everyone can attend big matches

7/8k seems large for a soccer club. How often do Cork city fill it?  Also didn't they go bust a few years back?
My IQ lowered reading that.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 28, 2018, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 28, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,

Its not a red herring. The specific document they signed explicitly ceding control has been linked to. Cork County Board took money explicitly on the agreement they would host events like this.

It was a chatiry event, for a hospice, and you have no idea what individuals contributed.

You are blaming Delaney because there is more money in English soccer than Irish? Really? Out of interest what does his GAA equivalent earn?

They own plenty of decent stadia, thats a red herring. They just dont need a 45,000 seater in Cork. The place they have there is fit for purpose and better than most county grounds.

Its not about 'allieviating' his death. It was abour Cork celebrating him and making money for the hospice he died in. That this offends you says more about you then them. Duff wasnt completely wrong, you need watching.
Where are these decent stadia the FAI own? Bar Tallaght which was built by the city council. ?  Didnt cork citys shed blow away last year.
Soccer assosciations dont generally own stadia, usually the clubs do. The FAI as far as I know own (half) of LR, Turners Cross, Deacy Park and United Park. But my point was LoI faciities are the same as county grounds. Some good, some bad, some terrible, and rarely full. The difference is size, why would they build bigger?

I recall that. During a hurricane was it not? Is there a point there?
I would say very few soccer grounds are up to most county ground standards.

I disagree. How many county grounds are to the standard of Turners Cross or Tallaght? 5 or 6 tops. At club level GAA facilities are generally superior, but county grounds are neglected, especially in Leinster.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
Tullamore, portlaoise, nowlan park and maybe even wexford park (if that is what you call wexford's ground) are decent.

Munster is generally poorer i think.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: armaghniac on September 28, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
Munster is generally poorer i think.

Do you mean better, or are you talking about Waterford?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 10:55:51 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
Tullamore, portlaoise, nowlan park and maybe even wexford park (if that is what you call wexford's ground) are decent.

Munster is generally poorer i think.

And Louth, Meath and Wicklow dont have grounds approaching fut for purpose. Nor do Dublin, but at least its fit for humans.

Those mocking soccer facilities at stadium level are 10 years behind the times
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Minder on October 30, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
Liam Miller tribute match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh raises €1.5m. €1m goes to Miller family, €250,000 to Marymount Hospice, eight other charities share the remaining quarter of a million euro
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on October 30, 2018, 04:01:36 PM
And Cork Co Board get €000 :o?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on October 31, 2018, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
Liam Miller tribute match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh raises €1.5m. €1m goes to Miller family, €250,000 to Marymount Hospice, eight other charities share the remaining quarter of a million euro

Scandalous.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: tiempo on October 31, 2018, 10:29:03 AM
Quote from: five points on October 31, 2018, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
Liam Miller tribute match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh raises €1.5m. €1m goes to Miller family, €250,000 to Marymount Hospice, eight other charities share the remaining quarter of a million euro

Scandalous.

Apparently Cork CB/GAA signed up for this by accepting a state grant to support redevelopment, in the previous page of this thread its referred to as a charity event for a hospice, well if the family of a sadly deceased millionaire footballer got x4 what the hospice did from proceedings then anyone associated with that should hang their heads in shame.

I'm sure the GAA will be wise to this next time, event titled "Player X Tribute Match" (devil in the detail eh...) should probably be turned away, event titled "Charity Event for Hospice X" I guess would be very welcome.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mrdeeds on October 31, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Doesn't most of the money that goes to the family just pay the medical bills as he was treated in America.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 31, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Doesn't most of the money that goes to the family just pay the medical bills as he was treated in America.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Wonder how much will be raised and what they will do with the money? Was a figure released does anyone know?

I hope the Cork county board got their 30 pieces of silver anyway
was the issue not the 30m pieces they took?
every sport gets grants and it doest mean they no longer have any control over what happens their stadiums or facilities.that is a complete red herring

Who did they sell out . read a history book on the GAA will ye.
they opened the pitch to a crowd of backslapping  millionaires i what even they were ashamed to call a charity match .it was a PR excercize  most of them could easily written a cheque to cover what was made in ticket sales .  Soccer Is  the major competitor to the GAA and allowing them to Freeload on the stadiums built by hard Working GAA Club members while John Delaney pockets a fortune every year to lead what they claim is the biggest sport in the country which does not own one decent pitch and any decent players are sent aboard
ts vey sad That a young family man like Liam Miller died but playing a match in PUC will not do anything to alleviate that ,

Its not a red herring. The specific document they signed explicitly ceding control has been linked to. Cork County Board took money explicitly on the agreement they would host events like this.

It was a chatiry event, for a hospice, and you have no idea what individuals contributed.

You are blaming Delaney because there is more money in English soccer than Irish? Really? Out of interest what does his GAA equivalent earn?

They own plenty of decent stadia, thats a red herring. They just dont need a 45,000 seater in Cork. The place they have there is fit for purpose and better than most county grounds.

Its not about 'allieviating' his death. It was abour Cork celebrating him and making money for the hospice he died in. That this offends you says more about you then them. Duff wasnt completely wrong, you need watching.
do you still think  this was a Charidee event . as I said all along it was a publicly event for the participants and a fundraiser for a millionaire's widow .
their tragedy was losing a husband and father not being poor  , if the players wer so worried about the millers finances they could easily have done a whip round amonst themselves and raised a lot more
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 31, 2018, 10:42:03 AM
There's going to have to be some very extenuating circumstances to warrant Liam Miller's family receiving a million from the match.

I know what Liam Miller earned at United, he was one of the highest paid players at the time as he came on a free and his contract reflected that.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2018, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 31, 2018, 10:42:03 AM
There's going to have to be some very extenuating circumstances to warrant Liam Miller's family receiving a million from the match.

I know what Liam Miller earned at United, he was one of the highest paid players at the time as he came on a free and his contract reflected that.

Yeah I never liked the look of this from the start, should have been far more heavily weighted towards charities but had a feeling it wouldn't be.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on October 31, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
I was castigated for calling this what it was. A gather up for a millionaire. The hospice angle was essentially throwing a bit over of cover over it. Liam Miller earned over 10m euro in his career. I wouldn't be surprised if the players got appearance money.
No one would really have cared had the organisers not taken the stance they did in forcing the GAA's hand.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 31, 2018, 10:42:03 AM
There's going to have to be some very extenuating circumstances to warrant Liam Miller's family receiving a million from the match.

I know what Liam Miller earned at United, he was one of the highest paid players at the time as he came on a free and his contract reflected that.

Christ there's some serious bitterness on this thread. If you seen his medical expenses you'd see where the money went. He had treatment in america and tried specialist trials which didn't come cheap. Also anyone who thinks he made 10m is living in dreamworld. He had two seasons at Utd and that's were he made the majority of his money.  While he was on decent wages at Leeds & Sunderland it's nothing compared to the wages players are on today.

You'd like to think people would have sympathy for the widow and 3 young kids, but not in this country. The local hospice got €250,000 through the event, but people don't even acknowledge that. We really are a nation of begrudgers.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 02:07:24 PM
This thread is disgusting.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 31, 2018, 10:42:03 AM
There's going to have to be some very extenuating circumstances to warrant Liam Miller's family receiving a million from the match.

I know what Liam Miller earned at United, he was one of the highest paid players at the time as he came on a free and his contract reflected that.

Christ there's some serious bitterness on this thread. If you seen his medical expenses you'd see where the money went. He had treatment in america and tried specialist trials which didn't come cheap. Also anyone who thinks he made 10m is living in dreamworld. He had two seasons at Utd and that's were he made the majority of his money.  While he was on decent wages at Leeds & Sunderland it's nothing compared to the wages players are on today.

You'd like to think people would have sympathy for the widow and 3 young kids, but not in this country. The local hospice got €250,000 through the event, but people don't even acknowledge that. We really are a nation of begrudgers.
its not about his wife and kids . thats a variation  the hit me with the child in the arms defense to avoid examining what exactly happened here .
8,000 people were on hospital Trolleys almost every month last year and you call a fundraiser for a millionaire kids a charity match . 
Treatment was sought in America because he could afford it ,
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
Something is badly wrong in Ireland when we give to a Millionaires family and won't shelter the homeless. This is a very public manifestation of everything that is wrong with modern Ireland. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2018, 04:15:52 PM
How much have you given to shelter the homeless?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.

Can you please explain?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: tiempo on October 31, 2018, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 02:07:24 PM
This thread is disgusting.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Cute. You've already had your say, keep your shame to yourself.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.

Can you please explain?

In the US when american people see other successful Americans their attitude is I'm going to be like him/her one day. In Ireland the attitude is he/she will get what's coming to him/her someday and I can't wait to be there to see it

The amount of hate eminating from the posters on this thread is  depressing and frankly a little bit frightening. God forbid some of you or your family ever need help from the community you live in.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.

Can you please explain?

In the US when american people see other successful Americans their attitude is I'm going to be like him/her one day. In Ireland the attitude is he/she will get what's coming to him/her someday and I can't wait to be there to see it

The amount of hate eminating from the posters on this thread is  depressing and frankly a little bit frightening. God forbid some of you or your family ever need help from the community you live in.

Unless you're an ex footballer you'll not get much from the community you live in it seems
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 31, 2018, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.

Can you please explain?

In the US when american people see other successful Americans their attitude is I'm going to be like him/her one day. In Ireland the attitude is he/she will get what's coming to him/her someday and I can't wait to be there to see it

The amount of hate eminating from the posters on this thread is  depressing and frankly a little bit frightening. God forbid some of you or your family ever need help from the community you live in.

Unless you're an ex footballer you'll not get much from the community you live in it seems
so we should all be bitter sods?

His family were always getting money to cover medical costs, and charities did well. There is an edge to some of tbe comments that quite  frankly are proving some critics right.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2018, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 31, 2018, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.

Can you please explain?

In the US when american people see other successful Americans their attitude is I'm going to be like him/her one day. In Ireland the attitude is he/she will get what's coming to him/her someday and I can't wait to be there to see it

The amount of hate eminating from the posters on this thread is  depressing and frankly a little bit frightening. God forbid some of you or your family ever need help from the community you live in.

Unless you're an ex footballer you'll not get much from the community you live in it seems
so we should all be bitter sods?

His family were always getting money to cover medical costs, and charities did well. There is an edge to some of tbe comments that quite  frankly are proving some critics right.

I couldn't care less tbh, what people want to do with their money is up to them, I fund plenty of people running marathons for charity and I've received plenty in return for various things.


Did  he pay for his medical bills first, or did he owe them money for his treatments?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 31, 2018, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2018, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 31, 2018, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.

Can you please explain?

In the US when american people see other successful Americans their attitude is I'm going to be like him/her one day. In Ireland the attitude is he/she will get what's coming to him/her someday and I can't wait to be there to see it

The amount of hate eminating from the posters on this thread is  depressing and frankly a little bit frightening. God forbid some of you or your family ever need help from the community you live in.

Unless you're an ex footballer you'll not get much from the community you live in it seems
so we should all be bitter sods?

His family were always getting money to cover medical costs, and charities did well. There is an edge to some of tbe comments that quite  frankly are proving some critics right.

I couldn't care less tbh, what people want to do with their money is up to them, I fund plenty of people running marathons for charity and I've received plenty in return for various things.


Did  he pay for his medical bills first, or did did he owe them money for his treatments?

I have no idea. And guess what, none of the heads on here do. One of the best paid players at Man U? When Ronaldo, Rooney, Van Nistelrooy Giggs, Forlan, Scholes, Heinze, Saha Pique etc were there? Some scutter being talked.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Kidder81 on October 31, 2018, 11:00:58 PM
A shakedown, plain and simple. Including the hospice and charities were a cold hard business decision, without them they wouldn't have raised as much I'm sure of it. Hospice and charities should have got every penny
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
Must be a lot of Widows of GAA members out there wishing they could get some of the proceeds of games held in GAA Stadia.
But sure theyll have to make do with th'oul widda's pension.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 07:14:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
Must be a lot of Widows of GAA members out there wishing they could get some of the proceeds of games held in GAA Stadia.
But sure theyll have to make do with th'oul widda's pension.
Im sure they said thecsame about Gooches game.

Hardly soccers fault they look after their own
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 07:53:50 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 07:14:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
Must be a lot of Widows of GAA members out there wishing they could get some of the proceeds of games held in GAA Stadia.
But sure theyll have to make do with th'oul widda's pension.
Im sure they said thecsame about Gooches game.

Hardly soccers fault they look after their own

Can the mods just close this thread? When people are taking cheap shots at a dead man and his widow/children surely that's crossing the line for simple human decency
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2018, 07:55:47 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 31, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 31, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
. In reality there is only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over the population.

Can you please explain?

In the US when american people see other successful Americans their attitude is I'm going to be like him/her one day. In Ireland the attitude is he/she will get what's coming to him/her someday and I can't wait to be there to see it

The amount of hate eminating from the posters on this thread is  depressing and frankly a little bit frightening. God forbid some of you or your family ever need help from the community you live in.

You won't bate a bit if begrudgery.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2018, 07:58:14 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 07:14:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
Must be a lot of Widows of GAA members out there wishing they could get some of the proceeds of games held in GAA Stadia.
But sure theyll have to make do with th'oul widda's pension.
Im sure they said thecsame about Gooches game.

Hardly soccers fault they look after their own

The Aviva wasn't used, they'd have made more money for the charities there.

Nothing handled properly during this. Lots of people with different agendas and there was always going to be resentment surrounding it..
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 09:13:06 AM
If the money was going to be used to pay his medical bills why is being held in a trust?

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 09:13:06 AM
If the money was going to be used to pay his medical bills why is being held in a trust?

Usually to ensure the money goes where it should.

Eight other charity, fundraising and community initiatives will share another half a million euro, with the Marymount Hospice receiving €250,000, Mr O'Flynn confirmed.

A special fund set up for Cork youngster Jack O'Driscoll, who sustained life-changing injuries as a result of a freak accident during Storm Emma earlier this year, will benefit to the tune of €100,000. Jack played hurling and football with Mayfield and soccer with St. Mary's.


Any comment on this bit?

A  special fund set up for Cork youngster Jack O'Driscoll, who sustained life-changing injuries as a result of a freak accident during Storm Emma earlier this year, will benefit to the tune of €100,000. Jack played hurling and football with Mayfield and soccer with St. Mary's.

Other recipients from the Miller fund are the Mercy University Hospital (€35,000), the Oesophageal Cancer Fund (€35,000), with €20,000 each awarded to Enable Ireland, Cork Simon Community, Cork Penny Dinners and Down Syndrome Cork.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
Look, there are two ways of looking at this.

1. Cork said goodbye to one of its own, raised money for charity, paid medical bills and gave his kids a few bob. The community ultimately pulled together.

2. A suspected millionaires family manipulated the GAA into hosting an event against their will to shakedown the Cork public, who only went along because a veneer of charity was involved.

Its your personality type that makes you pick one really.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 10:32:19 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
Look, there are two ways of looking at this.

1. Cork said goodbye to one of its own, raised money for charity, paid medical bills and gave his kids a few bob. The community ultimately pulled together.

2. A suspected millionaires family manipulated the GAA into hosting an event against their will to shakedown the Cork public, who only went along because a veneer of charity was involved.

3. A cynical money-making industry organised a PR gesture event for key industry figures and threw a grieving family a million quid that they didn't particularly need.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 10:32:19 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
Look, there are two ways of looking at this.

1. Cork said goodbye to one of its own, raised money for charity, paid medical bills and gave his kids a few bob. The community ultimately pulled together.

2. A suspected millionaires family manipulated the GAA into hosting an event against their will to shakedown the Cork public, who only went along because a veneer of charity was involved.

3. A cynical money-making industry organised a PR gesture event for key industry figures and threw a grieving family a million quid that they didn't particularly need.

And you know their financial circumstances how?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Miller would have earned around £7m after tax in his career, there's far more deserving cases of the money.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Miller would have earned around £7m after tax in his career, there's far more deserving cases of the money.

Would he? He was on a kids contract at Celtic, 2 years at Man U, 2 years at Sunderland,  then contracts at clubs like Hibs, Cork City and mid level Aussie places. 7m seems high to me.

But does it matter? Who are you to decide this is not deserving?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Miller would have earned around £7m after tax in his career, there's far more deserving cases of the money.

Would he? He was on a kids contract at Celtic, 2 years at Man U, 2 years at Sunderland,  then contracts at clubs like Hibs, Cork City and mid level Aussie places. 7m seems high to me.

But does it matter? Who are you to decide this is not deserving?

If Liam's family were indeed broke, we'd have heard it a long time ago. Was financial need ever mentioned  by any authoritative source in the run-up to the game, including the campaign to embarrass the GAA?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: tiempo on November 01, 2018, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Miller would have earned around £7m after tax in his career, there's far more deserving cases of the money.

Would he? He was on a kids contract at Celtic, 2 years at Man U, 2 years at Sunderland,  then contracts at clubs like Hibs, Cork City and mid level Aussie places. 7m seems high to me.

But does it matter? Who are you to decide this is not deserving?

An Irish citizen who sees this as an unnecessary cash award to the individual family of a sporting celebrity when basic hospital provision across the country is on its knees.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: tiempo on November 01, 2018, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Miller would have earned around £7m after tax in his career, there's far more deserving cases of the money.

Would he? He was on a kids contract at Celtic, 2 years at Man U, 2 years at Sunderland,  then contracts at clubs like Hibs, Cork City and mid level Aussie places. 7m seems high to me.

But does it matter? Who are you to decide this is not deserving?

An Irish citizen who sees this as an unnecessary cash award to the individual family of a sporting celebrity when basic hospital provision across the country is on its knees.
Healthcare related charities are well up on this event.  So do a fundraiser for hospitals then. There will always be other worthy causes. Doesnt mean soccer are wrong to look after their own.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on November 01, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: tiempo on November 01, 2018, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Miller would have earned around £7m after tax in his career, there's far more deserving cases of the money.

Would he? He was on a kids contract at Celtic, 2 years at Man U, 2 years at Sunderland,  then contracts at clubs like Hibs, Cork City and mid level Aussie places. 7m seems high to me.

But does it matter? Who are you to decide this is not deserving?

An Irish citizen who sees this as an unnecessary cash award to the individual family of a sporting celebrity when basic hospital provision across the country is on its knees.
Healthcare related charities are well up on this event.  So do a fundraiser for hospitals then. There will always be other worthy causes. Doesnt mean soccer are wrong to look after their own.

No Soccer are not wrong to look after their own. However to launch a sustained attack on the GAA, using amongst other Damien Duff and Journalists sympathetic to Soccer, while all the time marketing this as a fundraiser for charities, when in fact the lion share of the money was going to a millionaires family, in my eyes is grossly offensive.
That's been the crux of my issue all along.
I have no issue with raising money for his family, where I do have a problem is the blacking of the GAA's good name in the process of doing so.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:36:22 AM
That infers the GAA are blameless. They knew from day 1 they had to open puc. They called it wrong, stunningly missed the public mood and got calledout from all quarthers, including from within the GAA.

Its groupthink. How dare soccer have the high moral ground.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 11:40:12 AM
The GAA should have stuck by its guns. One of its core principles is never to permit the use of its facilities to enrich individuals. This was thrown out the window here, with great force.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: tiempo on November 01, 2018, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: tiempo on November 01, 2018, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Miller would have earned around £7m after tax in his career, there's far more deserving cases of the money.

Would he? He was on a kids contract at Celtic, 2 years at Man U, 2 years at Sunderland,  then contracts at clubs like Hibs, Cork City and mid level Aussie places. 7m seems high to me.

But does it matter? Who are you to decide this is not deserving?

An Irish citizen who sees this as an unnecessary cash award to the individual family of a sporting celebrity when basic hospital provision across the country is on its knees.
Healthcare related charities are well up on this event.  So do a fundraiser for hospitals then. There will always be other worthy causes. Doesnt mean soccer are wrong to look after their own.

The family got x4 times the amount of the biggest charity donation.
Who are you to say soccer are looking after their own, reeks of a shakedown and PR exercise for the great and good.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:43:03 AM
LOTS of assumptions about the families circumstances here chaps. And all cynical.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Rossfan on November 01, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Did "soccer look after its own" though.
Money was provided by the people who bought tickets to the "event", facilities provided free by the GAA after the usual campaign of blackmail by soccer spongers and their cheerleaders in the media.
The 30 odd ex players who appeared that day could each have thrown their loose change c€25k each into the pot but much easier to bleed everyone else.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 12:50:40 PM
Bleed? Jesus wept. Imagune a journalist reading this bile
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Did "soccer look after its own" though.
Money was provided by the people who bought tickets to the "event", facilities provided free by the GAA after the usual campaign of blackmail by soccer spongers and their cheerleaders in the media.
The 30 odd ex players who appeared that day could each have thrown their loose change c€25k each into the pot but much easier to bleed everyone else.

This is fantasy garbage but I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

A young man died of cancer and this is the angle you take.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 11:40:12 AM
The GAA should have stuck by its guns. One of its core principles is never to permit the use of its facilities to enrich individuals. This was thrown out the window here, with great force.

Say what? What are you on about here?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:05:55 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 11:40:12 AM
The GAA should have stuck by its guns. One of its core principles is never to permit the use of its facilities to enrich individuals. This was thrown out the window here, with great force.

Say what? What are you on about here?

Speaks for itself, I would have thought?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:05:55 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 11:40:12 AM
The GAA should have stuck by its guns. One of its core principles is never to permit the use of its facilities to enrich individuals. This was thrown out the window here, with great force.

Say what? What are you on about here?

Speaks for itself, I would have thought?

Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

Thats not what you said though. Explain paid administrators and managers?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Hound on November 01, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 09:13:06 AM
If the money was going to be used to pay his medical bills why is being held in a trust?

Usually to ensure the money goes where it should.

Eight other charity, fundraising and community initiatives will share another half a million euro, with the Marymount Hospice receiving €250,000, Mr O'Flynn confirmed.

A special fund set up for Cork youngster Jack O'Driscoll, who sustained life-changing injuries as a result of a freak accident during Storm Emma earlier this year, will benefit to the tune of €100,000. Jack played hurling and football with Mayfield and soccer with St. Mary's.

Other recipients from the Miller fund are the Mercy University Hospital (€35,000), the Oesophageal Cancer Fund (€35,000), with €20,000 each awarded to Enable Ireland, Cork Simon Community, Cork Penny Dinners and Down Syndrome Cork.
That's great to see. Each of those very deserving.
I am surprised a lot more wasn't handed out to other deserving charities and that so much went to the family, but not my concern as I didn't contribute.

I didn't pay a whole lot of attention at the time, but I presume the promos for the event were clear the family were going to be the primary beneficiaries and therefore everyone who gave money did so with their eyes open.

The GAA didn't generate the revenues (nor lose any money) so I don't think we're into amateur status issues.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2018, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council
. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

Thats not what you said though. Explain paid administrators and managers?

I think that's covered.. Managers get paid 'expenses' from a club, money comes from generally a rich clubman who'll put his hand in his pocket and pay someone.. not the club
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2018, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council
. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

Thats not what you said though. Explain paid administrators and managers?

I think that's covered.. Managers get paid 'expenses' from a club, money comes from generally a rich clubman who'll put his hand in his pocket and pay someone.. not the club
Irrelevant to his point where the money comes from...
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.

Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

Thats not what you said though. Explain paid administrators and managers?

The bit I've highlighted.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:58:44 PM
Irrelevant to his point where the money comes from...

No it's not. The GAA can't control contracts between private individuals.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

'...in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games'.

Therefore they didn't break one of their core principles.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

'...in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games'.

Therefore they didn't break one of their core principles.

Read the first sentence of 1.10 again
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

'...in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games'.

Therefore they didn't break one of their core principles.

Read the first sentence of 1.10 again

The GAA likes to think of itself as an amateur organisation. But it's not.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

'...in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games'.

Therefore they didn't break one of their core principles.

Read the first sentence of 1.10 again

The GAA likes to think of itself as an amateur organisation. But it's not.

Beside the point. BB asked where the principle was documented.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

'...in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games'.

Therefore they didn't break one of their core principles.

Read the first sentence of 1.10 again
So concerts are banned too...?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 01:07:16 PM
Is that principle documented anywhere or just wheeled out because the GAA agreed to share here?

1.10 Amateur Status
The Association is an Amateur Association. A player, team,
official or member shall not accept payment in cash or
in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.
A player, team, official or member shall not contract
himself/itself to any agent other than those officially
approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials,
players, and members shall not exceed the standard
rates laid down by the Central Council. Members of the
Association may not participate in full-time training. This
Rule shall not prohibit the payment of salaries or wages to
employees of the Association.
Penalty: Twenty four weeks Suspension or Expulsion

'...in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games'.

Therefore they didn't break one of their core principles.

Read the first sentence of 1.10 again

The GAA likes to think of itself as an amateur organisation. But it's not.

Beside the point. BB asked where the principle was documented.

You quoted me and not BB.

You said one of it's principles was not to enrich individuals. That's not strictly true.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 02:26:48 PM
Its not almost true
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
You said one of it's principles was not to enrich individuals. That's not strictly true.

Maybe check what enrichment means: making people rich.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
You said one of it's principles was not to enrich individuals. That's not strictly true.

Maybe check what enrichment means: making people rich.
Like Ed Sheerin? Garth Brookes? Westlife?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
You said one of it's principles was not to enrich individuals. That's not strictly true.

Maybe check what enrichment means: making people rich.

I'm well aware of what enrichment means.

Could you point out the word enrichment in the principle that you quoted?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on November 01, 2018, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
You said one of it's principles was not to enrich individuals. That's not strictly true.

Maybe check what enrichment means: making people rich.
Like Ed Sheerin? Garth Brookes? Westlife?
not members of the association , not competitors of the GAA indeed not sports men at all
complete red herring
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:59:00 PM

Could you point out the word enrichment in the principle that you quoted?

Doesn't the word amateur ring a bell? ::)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 01, 2018, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
You said one of it's principles was not to enrich individuals. That's not strictly true.

Maybe check what enrichment means: making people rich.
Like Ed Sheerin? Garth Brookes? Westlife?
not members of the association , not competitors of the GAA indeed not sports men at all
complete red herring

Hold up. It has been stated that its against the 'policy' of the GAA to rent facilities if those using would 'enrich' themselves. A charity sports event is out but concerts arent?

People are going down mad cul de sacs here
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 01, 2018, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 05:20:48 PM

Hold up. It has been stated that its against the 'policy' of the GAA to rent facilities if those using would 'enrich' themselves. A charity sports event is out but concerts arent?

People are going down mad cul de sacs here

Not exactly. It's against GAA policy to allow testimonials and the like for the purpose of enriching people. There's no issue with renting out a ground or clubhouse to a business venture - except where it involves or is run by a competing sport.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:59:00 PM

Could you point out the word enrichment in the principle that you quoted?

Doesn't the word amateur ring a bell? ::)

I take it by retort that you can't.  8)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 01, 2018, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
You said one of it's principles was not to enrich individuals. That's not strictly true.

Maybe check what enrichment means: making people rich.
Like Ed Sheerin? Garth Brookes? Westlife?
not members of the association , not competitors of the GAA indeed not sports men at all
complete red herring

What about where clubs have fundraisers for members?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:27:29 PM
Sorry Baile Brigin but why are you even replying to the trolls on this thread. If they want to abuse/slag off a dead man and the widow and children he left behind let them. It's disgusting, but it is what it is. This thread should have been closed/locked days ago.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 05:20:48 PM

Hold up. It has been stated that its against the 'policy' of the GAA to rent facilities if those using would 'enrich' themselves. A charity sports event is out but concerts arent?

People are going down mad cul de sacs here

Not exactly. It's against GAA policy to allow testimonials and the like for the purpose of enriching people. There's no issue with renting out a ground or clubhouse to a business venture - except where it involves or is run by a competing sport.

What a load of bull.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:27:29 PM
Sorry Baile Brigin but why are you even replying to the trolls on this thread. If they want to abuse/slag off a dead man and the widow and children he left behind let them. It's disgusting, but it is what it is. This thread should have been closed/locked days ago.

Get a grip. Nobody here has slagged off the Miller family nor Liam RIP, let alone abused them nor his memory.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 05:48:49 PM

Not exactly. It's against GAA policy to allow testimonials and the like for the purpose of enriching people. There's no issue with renting out a ground or clubhouse to a business venture - except where it involves or is run by a competing sport.

What a load of bull.

What exactly is "bull" about it?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2018, 10:16:01 AM
The world spins on its axis
One man struggles while another relaxes

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool/david-kelly-liverpool-in-croke-park-would-be-perfect-fundraiser-for-sen-cox-37484259.html
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 04:49:05 PM
Doesn't the word amateur ring a bell? ::)

I take it by retort that you can't.  8)

Projection, much?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 05:48:49 PM

Not exactly. It's against GAA policy to allow testimonials and the like for the purpose of enriching people. There's no issue with renting out a ground or clubhouse to a business venture - except where it involves or is run by a competing sport.

What a load of bull.

What exactly is "bull" about it?

There is no such policy. Gooch. Anto Finnegan.

Just stop, its demeaning
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 05:48:49 PM

Not exactly. It's against GAA policy to allow testimonials and the like for the purpose of enriching people. There's no issue with renting out a ground or clubhouse to a business venture - except where it involves or is run by a competing sport.

What a load of bull.

What exactly is "bull" about it?

There is no such policy. Gooch. Anto Finnegan.

Just stop, its demeaning
You're claiming Anto Finnegan's fundraiser was to enrich him? Seriously?

The GAA had nothing to do with Gooch's wheeze, nor did it allow any of its facilities to be used to host or promote it.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on November 02, 2018, 12:01:09 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:27:29 PM
Sorry Baile Brigin but why are you even replying to the trolls on this thread. If they want to abuse/slag off a dead man and the widow and children he left behind let them. It's disgusting, but it is what it is. This thread should have been closed/locked days ago.

Get a grip. Nobody here has slagged off the Miller family nor Liam RIP, let alone abused them nor his memory.

mocking them for recieving the money from the charity is ok then?? What a joke
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 02, 2018, 12:01:09 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:15:04 AM
Get a grip. Nobody here has slagged off the Miller family nor Liam RIP, let alone abused them nor his memory.

mocking them for recieving the money from the charity is ok then?? What a joke

OK, show me the mockery.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 12:29:18 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 05:48:49 PM

Not exactly. It's against GAA policy to allow testimonials and the like for the purpose of enriching people. There's no issue with renting out a ground or clubhouse to a business venture - except where it involves or is run by a competing sport.

What a load of bull.

What exactly is "bull" about it?

There is no such policy. Gooch. Anto Finnegan.

Just stop, its demeaning
You're claiming Anto Finnegan's fundraiser was to enrich him? Seriously?

The GAA had nothing to do with Gooch's wheeze, nor did it allow any of its facilities to be used to host or promote it.

You made 2 points.

1. You linked rule 42 to amateur status. Absurd.

2. You stated the GAA don't allow fundraisers/testimonials. Absurd squared.

I dont think the other game was to 'enrich' the Miller kids, so no, Finnegans fundraiser wasnt either. Your word.


You are all over the place.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 12:59:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 12:29:18 PM
1. You linked rule 42 to amateur status. Absurd.

Beside the point here.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 12:29:18 PM
You made 2 points.

2. You stated the GAA don't allow fundraisers/testimonials. Absurd squared.

Telling that you left out the " for the purpose of enriching people" bit.


Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 12:29:18 PM

I dont think the other game was to 'enrich' the Miller kids, so no, Finnegans fundraiser wasnt either. Your word.

A million quid to the family of a millionaire may not be enriching them but it's certainly adding to a decent pile. Anto Finnegan isn't a millionaire and its disgusting that he's dragged into this.

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 12:29:18 PM
You are all over the place.

Quite the irony there.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 02:03:42 PM
My IQ is lowering the more you post.

You just declared your own point beside the point...  ;D
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: five points on November 01, 2018, 04:49:05 PM
Doesn't the word amateur ring a bell? ::)

I take it by retort that you can't.  8)

Projection, much?

Avoidance, much.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:23:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 02:03:42 PM
You just declared your own point beside the point...  ;D

You do understand the concept of an aside?  ;D

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 02:03:42 PM
My IQ is lowering the more you post.

We've been noticing that for a while.  8)
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:22:41 PM
Avoidance, much.

Goose, sauce.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:28:58 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:22:41 PM
Avoidance, much.

Goose, sauce.

Shameful assertion by you stating that Liam Millers family are millionaires. How do you know this?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:28:58 PM

Shameful assertion by you stating that Liam Millers family are millionaires. How do you know this?

Did I say that? And the point was dealt with earlier on the thread, not by me.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:28:58 PM

Shameful assertion by you stating that Liam Millers family are millionaires. How do you know this?

Did I say that? And the point was dealt with earlier on the thread, not by me.

Yes you did.

'A million quid to the family of a millionaire.........'

You are not covering yourself in glory here.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:28:58 PM

Shameful assertion by you stating that Liam Millers family are millionaires. How do you know this?

Did I say that? And the point was dealt with earlier on the thread, not by me.

Yes you did.

'A million quid to the family of a millionaire.........'

You are not covering yourself in glory here.

Indeed. I never said they were millionaires. Its beyond dispute that Liam RIP was a millionaire.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Liam Miller will have earned about £7m after tax in his career, his family don't have any financial worries.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: five points on November 02, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:28:58 PM

Shameful assertion by you stating that Liam Millers family are millionaires. How do you know this?

Did I say that? And the point was dealt with earlier on the thread, not by me.

Yes you did.

'A million quid to the family of a millionaire.........'

You are not covering yourself in glory here.

Indeed. I never said they were millionaires. Its beyond dispute that Liam RIP was a millionaire.

So if Liam Miller was a millionaire when he died then what happened/will happen to his money?

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Liam Miller will have earned about £7m after tax in his career, his family don't have any financial worries.

Again I ask - how do you know this?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Liam Miller will have earned about £7m after tax in his career, his family don't have any financial worries.
we did this before. Very unlikely.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Liam Miller will have earned about £7m after tax in his career, his family don't have any financial worries.

Again I ask - how do you know this?

I know exactly what he earned at United and it surprised me at the time but he was on a free transfer so he did extremely well out of that. He spent two and half years at Sunderland and would have earned very good money their too although nothing like he was on at United.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rosnarun on November 02, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
and the wedge thickens
now Liverpool are looking to push their brand on the back of Sean cox  by having a match in Croker.
a far more worthy case but  if Liverpool feel guilt over what happened to Sean cox they should cover his medical bill and not use him as a promotional tool
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Liam Miller will have earned about £7m after tax in his career, his family don't have any financial worries.

Again I ask - how do you know this?

I know exactly what he earned at United and it surprised me at the time but he was on a free transfer so he did extremely well out of that. He spent two and half years at Sunderland and would have earned very good money their too although nothing like he was on at United.

I was referring to the second part of your statement.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Liam Miller will have earned about £7m after tax in his career, his family don't have any financial worries.

Again I ask - how do you know this?

I know exactly what he earned at United and it surprised me at the time but he was on a free transfer so he did extremely well out of that. He spent two and half years at Sunderland and would have earned very good money their too although nothing like he was on at United.
Well if a random bloke online says it....

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
When Liam Miller signed for United he was on £25k a week as he was in the last 6 months of his comtract with Celtic and had no signing on fee. He was at United for 2 years so his income for his time at United would have been just over £2.5m. He had about 6 other years at a decent level with I'd say and average wage of at least £15k. This would be another £4.5m. It's not unreasonable to say he earned £7m in his career.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
When Liam Miller signed for United he was on £25k a week as he was in the last 6 months of his comtract with Celtic and had no signing on fee. He was at United for 2 years so his income for his time at United would have been just over £2.5m. He had about 6 other years at a decent level with I'd say and average wage of at least £15k. This would be another £4.5m. It's not unreasonable to say he earned £7m in his career.
which 6 years?

But the statement was he retired with 7m in the bank. Not he grossed 7m over his career.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 04:54:18 PM
Liam Miller was on a lot more than 25k a week at United, Celtic were pretty much offering him that to stay their.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 03, 2018, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 02, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
and the wedge thickens
now Liverpool are looking to push their brand on the back of Sean cox  by having a match in Croker.
a far more worthy case but  if Liverpool feel guilt over what happened to Sean cox they should cover his medical bill and not use him as a promotional tool

Who says they are? Some Indo journalist suggesting they should?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 03, 2018, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 04:54:18 PM
Liam Miller was on a lot more than 25k a week at United, Celtic were pretty much offering him that to stay their.

He was on 12k before he left Celtic and united offered him double his money.

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
When Liam Miller signed for United he was on £25k a week as he was in the last 6 months of his comtract with Celtic and had no signing on fee. He was at United for 2 years so his income for his time at United would have been just over £2.5m. He had about 6 other years at a decent level with I'd say and average wage of at least £15k. This would be another £4.5m. It's not unreasonable to say he earned £7m in his career.
which 6 years?

But the statement was he retired with 7m in the bank. Not he grossed 7m over his career.

The year or two before he went to United he was on £12k a week. The 4 odd years after when he was at Sunderland, QPRand Hibernian he would have been on minimum £15-20k a week. There's no doubt he grossed at lest £7m in his career and that's not even touching signing on fees or commercial stuff through sponsorship etc. To suggest otherwise is wrong
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on November 03, 2018, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 02, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
and the wedge thickens
now Liverpool are looking to push their brand on the back of Sean cox  by having a match in Croker.
a far more worthy case but  if Liverpool feel guilt over what happened to Sean cox they should cover his medical bill and not use him as a promotional tool

Cop on lad. A journalist wrote a story in the paper suggesting the idea. To somehow believe that it's  Liverpool wanting to use Croke Park for money and as some PR exercise is ridiculous.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rrhf on November 03, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
To me there is something here. It might be worth taking a step back and looking at what maybe can be achieved here. The fundraising capability of the gaa as a whole is huge, the vast majority of our organisation are givers not takers, we are wasting money at many levels on creating a civil service of our own to maintain, we have to level out our coChing accross the board and create a level playing field in terms of our access to facilities accross the communities and counties. When we plan for all this and if we can cater for this do we need to make profits. In my head no. The surpluses generated can help our families our ex players and our people in difficulties. If an event for Sean Cox occurred in Croke Park I'd be at it but I would be keen that it be part of a wider hardship fund for our ex players members and officials. Every little helps. I would love if thebIntercounty model was a benevolent model for community's in the future instead of millions going to the gpa and other unnecessary expenses.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: trailer on November 03, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: rrhf on November 03, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
To me there is something here. It might be worth taking a step back and looking at what maybe can be achieved here. The fundraising capability of the gaa as a whole is huge, the vast majority of our organisation are givers not takers, we are wasting money at many levels on creating a civil service of our own to maintain, we have to level out our coChing accross the board and create a level playing field in terms of our access to facilities accross the communities and counties. When we plan for all this and if we can cater for this do we need to make profits. In my head no. The surpluses generated can help our families our ex players and our people in difficulties. If an event for Sean Cox occurred in Croke Park I'd be at it but I would be keen that it be part of a wider hardship fund for our ex players members and officials. Every little helps. I would love if thebIntercounty model was a benevolent model for community's in the future instead of millions going to the gpa and other unnecessary expenses.

People already give loads to the GAA and the GAA already gives loads to the local community. One off fund raising matches are ok, but if they were to become more regular people would soon get fucked off and rightly so.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:15:58 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 03, 2018, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 04:54:18 PM
Liam Miller was on a lot more than 25k a week at United, Celtic were pretty much offering him that to stay their.

He was on 12k before he left Celtic and united offered him double his money.

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2018, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
When Liam Miller signed for United he was on £25k a week as he was in the last 6 months of his comtract with Celtic and had no signing on fee. He was at United for 2 years so his income for his time at United would have been just over £2.5m. He had about 6 other years at a decent level with I'd say and average wage of at least £15k. This would be another £4.5m. It's not unreasonable to say he earned £7m in his career.
which 6 years?

But the statement was he retired with 7m in the bank. Not he grossed 7m over his career.

The year or two before he went to United he was on £12k a week. The 4 odd years after when he was at Sunderland, QPRand Hibernian he would have been on minimum £15-20k a week. There's no doubt he grossed at lest £7m in his career and that's not even touching signing on fees or commercial stuff through sponsorship etc. To suggest otherwise is wrong
Hibs have a wage cap of £1.5k a week, you are way off there.  Assuming your figures are right, and they clearly arent,  he made 4-5m and then what he made at smaller clubs.

We are a long way from retiring with 7m in the bank.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on November 04, 2018, 01:48:34 PM
All these  idiotic and inflated guesstimates at his wages are hilarious. Never new we had so many football agents posting here. Also all the wage figure are gross not net. He would have had to pay tax as well
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
Won't be getting into it on here but I know for a fact what Liam Miller earned at United and its way in excess of 25k a week, absolutely miles off; Hence why I have strong views on this.



Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: snoopdog on November 05, 2018, 11:56:33 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
Won't be getting into it on here but I know for a fact what Liam Miller earned at United and its way in excess of 25k a week, absolutely miles off; Hence why I have strong views on this.
Do the charity have to post where the money goes from this fund raiser?. Professional footballers in the last 20 yrs  all earn substantially.more than 90% of the population. While it was a very sad think that happenend to liam and his family. Id be very suprised if he hadnt made enough in his career to last tge family a lifetime. Taxed or not. 25k a week for a year is 1.3 million. More than most earn in a lifetime.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
Won't be getting into it on here but I know for a fact what Liam Miller earned at United and its way in excess of 25k a week, absolutely miles off; Hence why I have strong views on this.
if you refude to get into it, why should we accept it as fact?
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2018, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
Won't be getting into it on here but I know for a fact what Liam Miller earned at United and its way in excess of 25k a week, absolutely miles off; Hence why I have strong views on this.
if you refude to get into it, why should we accept it as fact?

If there was a letter from his bank detailing his salary you wouldn't accept it
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 05, 2018, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
Won't be getting into it on here but I know for a fact what Liam Miller earned at United and its way in excess of 25k a week, absolutely miles off; Hence why I have strong views on this.
if you refude to get into it, why should we accept it as fact?

If there was a letter from his bank detailing his salary you wouldn't accept it

The fella claimed earlier he was one of Uniteds top earners. At a time when Rio, Rooney, Van Nistelroy etc were there? Nope. Not buying it.  He was a fringe young player.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 01:28:35 PM
He arrived on a free transfer and plenty of big clubs were in for him. You've got to be very naive to think this wasn't factored in with his salary.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rodney trotter on November 05, 2018, 01:44:01 PM
Put up a link then . He arrived on a free transfer and United doubled the wages Celtic were offering, which was 12 k a week. He wasn't on 12k a week at Celtic. Celtic aren't big wage spenders.  Especially not that type of money in 2004 ,to a 22 year old.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 01:54:49 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 05, 2018, 01:44:01 PM
Put up a link then . He arrived on a free transfer and United doubled the wages Celtic were offering, which was 12 k a week. He wasn't on 12k a week at Celtic. Celtic aren't big wage spenders.  Especially not that type of money in 2004 ,to a 22 year old.

Do you realise Celtic's wage bill was more in 2004 then it was in 2016?

Celtic were well able to compete financially back then with the vast majority of premier league clubs.

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2018, 01:58:30 PM
According to media reports of the time, Liam Miller was on £42,000 a year at Celtic, and was approaching the end of his contract. Celtic were OFFERING him £12k a week, but Man United went to £25k.

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: rodney trotter on November 05, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Still no link?  He wasn't even in the Celtic first team that long
as a regular  he had a loan spell in Denmark. Yet you think Celtic were offering 25k a  week
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 02:16:21 PM
You're all believing those wages on the basis of an article in one newspaper.

Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 02:27:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 05, 2018, 02:16:21 PM
You're all believing those wages on the basis of an article in one newspaper.
The other alternative is a random bloke on the internet....
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: Syferus on November 06, 2018, 03:39:24 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.

+1

There's an incredible disconnect between what even a top professional sportsperson earns and what they have at the end of their career because most are not prepared to manage those amounts of money responsibly and the lifestyle is almost by its nature expensive. Indeed most American professional basketball players are bankrupt within three years of retiring and they earn far more than Miller ever did.

That Liam Miller's family should suffer because he didn't make perfect financial decisions, and that most if not all of any remaining wealth was spent trying to keep the man alive in the first place, is utterly cruel to me.

But for this forum cruelty masquerading as 'common sense' is par for the course.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 06, 2018, 07:56:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2018, 03:39:24 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.

+1

There’s an incredible disconnect between what even a top professional sportsperson earns and what they have at the end of their career because most are not prepared to manage those amounts of money responsibility and the lifestyle is almost by its nature expensive. Indeed most American professional basketball players are bankrupt within three years of retiring and they earn far more than Miller ever did.

That Liam Miller’s family should suffer because he didn’t make perfect financial decisions and that most if not all of any remaining wealth was spent trying to keep the man alive in the first place, is utterly cruel to me.

But for this forum cruelty masquerading as ‘common sense’ is par for the course.

Two great posts.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: dublin7 on November 06, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
Quote from: mup on November 06, 2018, 07:56:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2018, 03:39:24 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.

+1

There's an incredible disconnect between what even a top professional sportsperson earns and what they have at the end of their career because most are not prepared to manage those amounts of money responsibility and the lifestyle is almost by its nature expensive. Indeed most American professional basketball players are bankrupt within three years of retiring and they earn far more than Miller ever did.

That Liam Miller's family should suffer because he didn't make perfect financial decisions and that most if not all of any remaining wealth was spent trying to keep the man alive in the first place, is utterly cruel to me.

But for this forum cruelty masquerading as 'common sense' is par for the course.

Two great posts.
It's rare to see a well thought out, considered, reasonable post on this thread considering the verbal diarrhoea that's been thrown at Liam Miller and his family.  Maybe now all the "football experts" posting s**te about how much Liam Miller earned might back off.

I was really disappointed in the Tom Ryan's first real interview recently as director general of GAA. Like alot of posters on this thread he couldn't see how GAA does anything wrong. Didn't mention the annual fixture chaos or issues with onfield/off the field violence at club matches. What upsets him is that the negative publicity the GAA received for how they handled holding the Liam Miller testimonial in PuC.   
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: seafoid on November 06, 2018, 08:46:13 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.
Maybe the stress of the crash contributed to the development of the cancer that killed him.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: JoG2 on November 06, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.

You underestimate some people's want and need to be offended, it's insatiable. This thread is a rather sad snapshot of the modern (online) world.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: imtommygunn on November 06, 2018, 10:17:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 06, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.

You underestimate some people's want and need to be offended, it's insatiable. This thread is a rather sad snapshot of the modern (online) world.

100% this.
Title: Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
Post by: mup on November 06, 2018, 03:58:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 06, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
Quote from: mup on November 06, 2018, 07:56:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2018, 03:39:24 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 06, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Lads, it's fairly well known down around Cork  but Michael O'Flynn (one of the chief organisers of the event) was pushing this so strongly out of a lot of guilt. Both he and Liam Miller are from the same area around Ovens and Miller invested heavily in property with O'Flynn around the boom time..he lost big, like a lot of others. O'Flynn could afford to take the hit, but others not so much.

This added to well known awful financial management by a lot of Soccer players is the reason the family were left so short on Liam's death. There were all sorts of rumours, but from speaking to people I believe he didn't have any alochol or substance abuse problems and the issue above is the main reason for the all the fundraising.

Some of the begrudgery and horsesh*t posted in this thread when you look back at it makes me wonder what is wrong with some people. I'm just happy the right thing was done in the end and the event went well. Great to see so much being raised and the donation to the Jack O'Driscoll fund aswell. Jack is a 19 year old Footballer and Hurler who was paralysed in a freak accident earlier this year during the snowstorms. Great to see him and his family benefitting from this also.

+1

There's an incredible disconnect between what even a top professional sportsperson earns and what they have at the end of their career because most are not prepared to manage those amounts of money responsibility and the lifestyle is almost by its nature expensive. Indeed most American professional basketball players are bankrupt within three years of retiring and they earn far more than Miller ever did.

That Liam Miller's family should suffer because he didn't make perfect financial decisions and that most if not all of any remaining wealth was spent trying to keep the man alive in the first place, is utterly cruel to me.

But for this forum cruelty masquerading as 'common sense' is par for the course.

Two great posts.
It's rare to see a well thought out, considered, reasonable post on this thread considering the verbal diarrhoea that's been thrown at Liam Miller and his family.  Maybe now all the "football experts" posting s**te about how much Liam Miller earned might back off.

I was really disappointed in the Tom Ryan's first real interview recently as director general of GAA. Like alot of posters on this thread he couldn't see how GAA does anything wrong. Didn't mention the annual fixture chaos or issues with onfield/off the field violence at club matches. What upsets him is that the negative publicity the GAA received for how they handled holding the Liam Miller testimonial in PuC.

I don't always agree with you on the football side of things but I'm with you on this one. Nothing but utter tripe being written.