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Annie Mac. BBC 1 DJ

Fritz Kalkbrenner Turnpike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5DJk9b5E98

[they are still there]

The Unionists may be losers,but 50 years later they are still there and people like Fearon think they are justified.

Where do you propose that they go?

I don't suggest they move anywhere, but that they move into the 21st century and stop trying to wreck the country in pursuit of their 17th century colonial project.

Does anyone know what goes on in the Prod schools from the point of view of indoctrination? Do they use the same history books as catholics, for example ?

Include either born in Ireland or with Irish parents

I'll kick off with Morrissey, Johnny Rotten, the Oasis brothers  and  Lisa Gerrard

The definition of murder is clear. Maybe some republican murders might have been manslaughter but the rest are clearly murder. Put forward a legally accepted authority that states otherwise or just accept that they were murder.

Some state killings are lawful (including the death penalty in some US states or the taking down of jihadists in a Paris shootout) and some state killings in the troubles will fall into this category. Others were murder.

My posts to date have focused on the republican murders because there are some on this site that think that these murders were or are justified. Though there remains none who have outlined that justification. What is the big secret? Or is it just shame?

Were those killed in War of Independence murders or killings?

The war of independence was just as grubby. The only difference was that it had a very high level of popular support. Some dreadful things happened.

Exactly but the romanticism of the War of the Independence and vilification of the Troubles is sickening to see. How some of the free staters can celebrate quisling Collins and barracks Adams about the Provos is an irony lost on most of the electorate. The two main parties of the free state were born from the gun and openly practice hypocrisy about armed militant action.

.  History is written by winners so the War of Independence had that glow, which was undeserved. Whatever big houses are left have been turned into boutique hotels.  I think a lot of the romanticism of the war of independence has faded away TBH

The Troubles are far more recent. Even calling them the troubles FFS. Anyone growing up with them down south would have listened to countless Poilin ni Chiarain our northern correspondent in Belfast reports about murders in the mainly loyalist Shankill or mainly nationalist Twinbrook areas yesterday. And the hunger strike was hard to understand.  It was easy to see the thuggery of the killing. And it went on for so long.

Some of the killings stand out in their pointlessness and nihilism such as that of Margaret Wright , a Protestant alcoholic who was killed after she went into a loyalist  drinking den and was mistaken for a catholic.

Bands such as Depeche Mode, Bronski beat, Visage, Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, Blamanche, Human League, Heaven 17, Japan, Ultravox, Gary Numan despite creating some cheesy tracks also created some classics that would mould a lot todays modern sound. In many cases the sounds and ideas were so new there was bound to be some dodgy tracks but this was outweighed by other creative stuff. There was a post punk Gay underground movement with most of these groups containing a gay message.

I feel love by Donna Summer was 1977 but it sounds ultra modern even now

What exactly do you think drove so many people into such a movement?

You entirely miss the point. Believing in a cause does not justify any means.The means has to be justified.

Believing in a cause is one thing. The miserable conditions they were subjected to would be another. I don't think you can discount that as a factor in why people did what they did.

When I ask for those who seek to justify murder to spell out their justification the "justifiers" fall silent entirely or engage in side arguments. Very, very strange that these clearly justifications are entirely missing. And it is murder we are talking about. Some fairly clear cut justification is actually required/

Not being a doormat to the ethnic cleansing of Ireland as a whole and laterly the 6 counties. The free state for example is predicted upon the murder of the occupying force until their surrender which continued during the war in the 6 counties.

The occupiers had already lost the people in the South. Not the case in the north. And then the psychopaths like the Shanklill butcher rowed in.
Violence was a solution in the South but it ended in a stalemate in the north, because of the Plantation.

The Unionists would have been better off cooking up a deal with the civil rights crowd in 1968. They had too much faith in their dud  ideology. Over the last 50 years they have been the biggest losers.

It is interesting what of the old stuff gets recycled now. Bronski Beat had some great tunes. I think they were very underrated at the time. and the message of the lyrics was way ahead of its time. The Pet shop Boys were very good as well as were Frankie goes to Hollywood. 

Simple Minds didn't really stand the test of time. Same goes for Duran Duran. They were a lot of image more than anything else  . I remember reading Smash Hits at the time as a teenager. Simon Le Bon was impossibly glamorous, married to a supermodel. Sigue Sigue Sputnik got a lot of attention in 1986 but the music was shite.

Kate Bush was a standout genius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6Dm4yY7Do

Christ,  lot of the old stuff was shite. Stock Aitken and Waterman, Mariah Carey, the Lightouse family, Black Box etc  etc ad nauseum 

All wars are grubby and awful things are done.

the war of Independence was the first in over 400 years where very few Irish people actually died, in relative terms

The definition of murder is clear. Maybe some republican murders might have been manslaughter but the rest are clearly murder. Put forward a legally accepted authority that states otherwise or just accept that they were murder.

Some state killings are lawful (including the death penalty in some US states or the taking down of jihadists in a Paris shootout) and some state killings in the troubles will fall into this category. Others were murder.

My posts to date have focused on the republican murders because there are some on this site that think that these murders were or are justified. Though there remains none who have outlined that justification. What is the big secret? Or is it just shame?

Were those killed in War of Independence murders or killings?

The war of independence was just as grubby. The only difference was that it had a very high level of popular support. Some dreadful things happened. 

I'm flat out at the Rave / Techno mostly tbh. I genuinely love it, the harder the better. Great cycling music on trainers etc..

House music just gets better and better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2dvXs-olc
from 25 minutes on

Imagine having Fritz in Croke Park after the hurling final

Mayo need a bit more work on the psychological side. You never know, this could be the year.

How many more music threads can seafoid start?

I'm trying to head off Fearon posting that the Board is dead and will never recover
It is only a few more days to the FBD so the quantum of new music threads should reduce