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Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.

Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.

I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.

Was it dangerous yet?  Nasty and underhand?  Yes.

But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play

He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a  finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.

A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.

A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.

A knee to the groin/thigh  is very likely to give someone a dead leg.

Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.

Whether he was trying to break fingers or not is irrelevant as it was a cheap, cowardly act that should be punished in the harshest way the rules allow.

Yes but it's not unusual, we've all heard the story of famous olden day full backs greeting their marker with a knee to the thigh and such. It's something that's always been common in the game and still is.

I don't see anything worse about bending someone's fingers back than standing on their toes or delivering sneaky close fist shots to the ribcage or knees to the thigh. All are common in the game and none are recent developments.

Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.

Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.

I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.

Was it dangerous yet?  Nasty and underhand?  Yes.

But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play

No problem with McGee getting a long ban, what he did is completely unacceptable.

However I wouldn't stop there, the assault on Murphy by Donaghy at the start was equally as dangerous, equally unacceptable & equally deserving of a long ban.

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And this is my issue, McGee was out of order and if the rules are in place should be banned but I have a big problem in the isolating of him when actions on  a par with that went on in a game were ignored.

Is it any worse than a sneaky dig to the ribs or from behind, somebody deliberately stepping on an opponents toes or the other various forms of antagonism and provocation that regularly happens in the game across all teams? No, it's not,

I would say yes, its much worse.
We are talking about deliberately trying to inflict an injury that would have at least took him out of that game and potential been out for a while. Its far worse than a dig in the ribs or standing on the toes (which is more annoying than anything)

I would also say, while i have seen that done before a few times ( and Mcgee being one of them) I certainly wouldn't say its a common occurrence.

Are you saying he was deliberately trying to break his fingers?  Ridiculous assertion to make.

Fitzgerald should have not been sent off, what was he meant to do?

Of course he should have been sent off, he threw about 4 punches.
I have every sympathy for him and I would say most of us would have done the same, but the referee had no choice really.

as someone said earlier, along the lines of 'provocation is highly rewarded' in football, which is so true. By the letter of the law,AF had to go. I'd rescind the red card and ban McGee, send out a message

You can't just change the rules to retrospectively ban someone, there is an incredibly selective and unfair aspect to that.

I do agree the rule should be changed to stop serious provocation being rewarding and encouraged, which the rules in their current guise do.

I do have a problem with the hysteria being made out around McGee at the minute though, what he did was nasty and underhand, no question.

Is it uncommon in today's game? No.

Is it any worse than a sneaky dig to the ribs or from behind, somebody deliberately stepping on an opponents toes or the other various forms of antagonism and provocation that regularly happens in the game across all teams? No, it's not, The Screaming Marys are out in force to pillar McGee as a pariah on a saintly game where only a marginal band of reprobates engage in such actions.

The rules should be changed from here on in but knowing the GAA, probably won't, allowing for such tactics to fester and prosper.

Last year, we had the watershed moment of McCann's dive and the hysterical outrage in the aftermath that saw McCann  hit with a makey up ban. What the GAA should have done was say enough is enough, from here on in, players who engage in such simulation run the risk of being retrospectively banned. As far as I am aware they have failed to change any rule after the farce they made of the McCann ban.

Evan MacKenna fairly savaging these bastards on twitter now. 

Does every GAA row now have to be about Tyrone? Damian Harvey and others tweeting about Kerry-Donegal game saying 'if that was Tyrone blah blah'... we're getting an awful complex altogether...

It is true. Tiernan McCann goes down easily and the country goes crazy - plastered over back pages, banned for months, harassed, abused online etc. But Kerry and Donegal game ends after several fist fights with blood drawn from quite a few players and it'll be forgotten after a day.

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And it has an impact, look at how all the nonsense in recent years put forward about Tyrone has played out. The young lads at the centre of the sledging incidents last year had their names dragged through the mud, untoward pressure was put on the disciplinary body to make up rules to ban McCann with similar incidents involving other counties going unpunished, the u21s had their AI title capture devalued by a load of sour grapes from Tipperary, instead of talking about the great performance of our players, all we were hearing was talk about sledging, cynicism etc.

We seem to be only one that has our history recorded in a log book and brought under the spotlight when it comes to unsavoury incidents, although I certainly believe any of the other northern sides would have to deal with the same treatment if they got up to our level.

Kerry, Mayo, Dublin etc have all been involved in a number of unsavoury, cynical and unsporting incidents in the past 4/5 years but these are all paid scant lip service to and don't follow them around as a result.

I do believe over the last 10-15 years Armagh have been up at 'your level' and don't recall them having to deal with such issues.  Maybe its because they didn't bring it upon themselves. 

I do agree that the whole Tiernan McCann thing was blown completely out of proportion and proposing an 8 week ban was ludicrous. But maybe a few bad apples have given the team and county a bad name, the actions of McMeniman over the years wouldn't have helped, nor the diving. But McCann was lucky not to get a suspension for his elbow in the McKenna Cup, and I don't believe there was much of a witch hunt after that?

But I don't doubt there is a very different approach when it comes to teams like Kerry, Dublin etc than Tyrone. I suppose we'll not know how the media react til any of the other northern teams get up you 'your level' 

Armagh had about a 6/7 year period at the top and they certainly did have a lot of shit to put up with as well in that time.

As for the McCann thing, were you oblivious to the fall out after the McKenna Cup match, a pre-season, non-televised game, I may add.

Does every GAA row now have to be about Tyrone? Damian Harvey and others tweeting about Kerry-Donegal game saying 'if that was Tyrone blah blah'... we're getting an awful complex altogether...

It is true. Tiernan McCann goes down easily and the country goes crazy - plastered over back pages, banned for months, harassed, abused online etc. But Kerry and Donegal game ends after several fist fights with blood drawn from quite a few players and it'll be forgotten after a day.

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And it has an impact, look at how all the nonsense in recent years put forward about Tyrone has played out. The young lads at the centre of the sledging incidents last year had their names dragged through the mud, untoward pressure was put on the disciplinary body to make up rules to ban McCann with similar incidents involving other counties going unpunished, the u21s had their AI title capture devalued by a load of sour grapes from Tipperary, instead of talking about the great performance of our players, all we were hearing was talk about sledging, cynicism etc.

We seem to be only one that has our history recorded in a log book and brought under the spotlight when it comes to unsavoury incidents, although I certainly believe any of the other northern sides would have to deal with the same treatment if they got up to our level.

Kerry, Mayo, Dublin etc have all been involved in a number of unsavoury, cynical and unsporting incidents in the past 4/5 years but these are all paid scant lip service to and don't follow them around as a result.

Where did all the Aidy McCrory haters go to?

Delighted for him as the abuse he gets is very unfair, he's been very consistent in the past two years and is deserving of his place. He's certainly one of the guys whose spot will be under pressure now but at the moment the jersey is his and it's up to somebody else to take it off him, he is making the team on merit.

It shows the level of hypocrisy when you compare the slaughtering that Tiernan McCann got last year for the barbaric act of diving compared with the ludicrous defence by Dolan of the 2 punches that could have seriously injured an opponent. Double standards.

Well you lads all jumped to McCanns defence at the time and went with your customary whataboutery whereas the Donegal lads have all come on here and agreed straight away that it was a lousy act and they're sick of it... Double standards indeed!

McCann was roundly condemned by the Tyrone fans on here for his actions, what he was defended on was the disparity in coverage of similar incidents, one of which happened in that game with Rory Beggan.

And I would say the same about McGee, he got a box after antagonising the Kerry lad but the hysteria is in full drive here. Does anyone actually believe he tried to break his fingers? When lads tread on someone's toes to get a reaction, are they trying to break his toes? When the playful cusp of the genitals happens, are they trying to castrate their opponent? When the sneaky dig in the ribs happens off the ball, are they trying to break their ribcage?

McGee was wrong but the hysteria and overreaction is ridiculous.

One code?
Ros played Armagh in the Rackard final last year, we also had minor and U21 hurling teams.
Most of our football panel at u21 and senior are based outside the County so travel costs quite a bit as the bus can't gather everyone at the one time.

I'd say the football costs dwarves the hurling costs in both these counties.

Huge money being pumped into these counties who underachieved last year. Roscommon have their own bus which means their travel expenses should be significantly less than other counties.

you're right.
Roscommon need a personal taxi for each player living in dublin, galway or wherever for training during the week

You seem to be of the opinion Roscommon are unique, they're not, every county has these problems. Roscommon lads on here love to make excuses as to why they haven't made any imprint on championship football in recent years.

The bottom line is Roscommon have one of the highest expenses of a predominant football county and they havery thus far failed to deliver.

You seem to have awful set against Roscommon for some reason did some rossie on here hurt your feelings about something they said about Tyrone.

Plenty on that list that has spent big and underachived in the championship however they aren't holding their own in division one like Roscommon.

The way some of your lads behaved after they took a fair and square beating last year was disgraceful. I would say a lot of them have shown themselves to be hypocrites since then. Nobody likes a hypocrite, especially when they display a baseless arrogance when running away from their conflictions.

One code?
Ros played Armagh in the Rackard final last year, we also had minor and U21 hurling teams.
Most of our football panel at u21 and senior are based outside the County so travel costs quite a bit as the bus can't gather everyone at the one time.

I'd say the football costs dwarves the hurling costs in both these counties.

Huge money being pumped into these counties who underachieved last year. Roscommon have their own bus which means their travel expenses should be significantly less than other counties.

you're right.
Roscommon need a personal taxi for each player living in dublin, galway or wherever for training during the week

You seem to be of the opinion Roscommon are unique, they're not, every county has these problems. Roscommon lads on here love to make excuses as to why they haven't made any imprint on championship football in recent years.

The bottom line is Roscommon have one of the highest expenses of a predominant football county and they havery thus far failed to deliver.

One code?
Ros played Armagh in the Rackard final last year, we also had minor and U21 hurling teams.
Most of our football panel at u21 and senior are based outside the County so travel costs quite a bit as the bus can't gather everyone at the one time.

I'd say the football costs dwarves the hurling costs in both these counties.

Huge money being pumped into these counties who underachieved last year. Roscommon have their own bus which means their travel expenses should be significantly less than other counties.

The money spent by Armagh and Roscommon last year. 

I presume the money spent is on Senior Football and Senior Hurling? If yes, then this makes the Galway spend naturally a lot more than a county like Mayo.

Are Minor/u-21/Juniors included as well?

I'm assuming your logic is  correct. Both codes from minor up.

The money spent on particularly single code counties like Armagh and Roscommon is an awful lot considering how they've underperformed in Championship.