Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[BG_Gael]

Jaysus that was a boring match.

Tyrone were poor.

Soft goal to give away in the context of the game and so so slow and ponderous in the build up.

Match summed up in one passage where Harte had the ball 2v2 at the 45 with a clear  break on and proceeded to turn in circles before offloading backwards.

McQuillan was as expected.

McQuillan done nothing wrong to Tyrone all game to be fair to him. Kilpatrick was lucky to avoid a Black card in the 1st half. Gave Tyrone ample time to rescue a draw but no leaders stepped forward to have a shot in dying seconds even though numerous opportunities were on.

If people are relying on McCurry, McShane, Meyler and Mattie coming back to transform that team then they are in for a massive reality check. Not near good enough. This is a long term issue and come as a result of Mickey not wanting to bleed new players and the current management only realising now you can't play to your 40.

The only decent player that's come through in recent times is Darragh Canavan. Besides him, the players that have come through are leaving Tyrone are a division 2 team at best. We're lightyears in terms of physical development behind the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Derry and Armagh. Out of that starting 15 today how many lads were over 6ft? How many over 13 or 14 stone?
Tyrone are light-years away from challenging from an All Ireland, and serious work and change needs implemented at development level. We're bringing though good footballers, not athletes. The day of a 5ft 6,  11st intercounty footballer are long gone. Pace power strength are the name of the game now, and that's were we're ultimately lacking. As I've said carried too many squad players for years without bringing new blood in, to get them on conditioned plans for inter county football, now we're throwing young lads in at the deep end against teams who are at 3 or 4 years deep in their development and wondering why they look like men against boys. Lots of questions to be answered of the development coaches and structures in place. Spend millions on Garvaghy yet still getting left behind.

[Tyrone Dreamer]

Jaysus that was a boring match.

Tyrone were poor.

Soft goal to give away in the context of the game and so so slow and ponderous in the build up.

Match summed up in one passage where Harte had the ball 2v2 at the 45 with a clear  break on and proceeded to turn in circles before offloading backwards.

McQuillan was as expected.

McQuillan done nothing wrong to Tyrone all game to be fair to him. Kilpatrick was lucky to avoid a Black card in the 1st half. Gave Tyrone ample time to rescue a draw but no leaders stepped forward to have a shot in dying seconds even though numerous opportunities were on.

If people are relying on McCurry, McShane, Meyler and Mattie coming back to transform that team then they are in for a massive reality check. Not near good enough. This is a long term issue and come as a result of Mickey not wanting to bleed new players and the current management only realising now you can't play to your 40.

The only decent player that's come through in recent times is Darragh Canavan. Besides him, the players that have come through are leaving Tyrone are a division 2 team at best. We're lightyears in terms of physical development behind the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Derry and Armagh. Out of that starting 15 today how many lads were over 6ft? How many over 13 or 14 stone?
Tyrone are light-years away from challenging from an All Ireland, and serious work and change needs implemented at development level. We're bringing though good footballers, not athletes. The day of a 5ft 6,  11st intercounty footballer are long gone. Pace power strength are the name of the game now, and that's were we're ultimately lacking. As I've said carried too many squad players for years without bringing new blood in, to get them on conditioned plans for inter county football, now we're throwing young lads in at the deep end against teams who are at 3 or 4 years deep in their development and wondering why they look like men against boys. Lots of questions to be answered of the development coaches and structures in place. Spend millions on Garvaghy yet still getting left behind.

Laughable that anyone could try and blame Harte for the current issues. He left 3 years ago and left behind a team where the oldest players were around the 30 mark. And already had brought through a good squad of players from the 2015 u21 winning team and younger boys like Kennedy and Canavan.

It was obvious that a change was needed this year in the management and it didnt happen. For some reason there are numerous players not involved that would add to the squad.

I wouldn't be too harsh on the players as there are so many coming in at the one time.

[trailer]

A good few lean years ahead you would expect unless something drastic happens. Tyrone very ordinary. Would be handy in Div 2 but in Div 1 we're struggling.
Don't want to be to hard on the lad at the end but forwards need to shoot. It's coached out of them. That lad takes that shot on for his club and he scores it 10 / 10 times.

The goal was awful to give away.

[MC]

Not sure Peter Harte had options going forward that time - I thought the same - but not clear on TV view? He would normally be looking for an opportunity to play it in if available.
Some poor enough play at various stages of the game - I thought Tyrone even in development mode would have enough for this Galway team but some tackling and closing off seemed poor - including the goal - and almost a second goal!
Difficult choices for an equalising chance - not sure any great shot option was on - may have been cuter to work it for a mark.
Difficult on size and strength - i think there are quite a few who need the S&C time in the gym and another year or two of development - but Con o Callaghan, Eoin Murchan, Lee Keegan, etc. all under 6'. Maybe you just can't have too many of them at any one time!
No real mention of Tierney's collision tackle and a possible red - not that I wanted to see one - but Conn Kilpatrick must have felt even more hard done by.

[time ticking away]

A good few lean years ahead you would expect unless something drastic happens. Tyrone very ordinary. Would be handy in Div 2 but in Div 1 we're struggling.
Don't want to be to hard on the lad at the end but forwards need to shoot. It's coached out of them. That lad takes that shot on for his club and he scores it 10 / 10 times.

The goal was awful to give away.

The lad you are talking about kicked 3 points. Had another kick from the left corner.
Don't think you can say he is afraid to shoot.
But its hard to beat a good generalisation

[trailer]

A good few lean years ahead you would expect unless something drastic happens. Tyrone very ordinary. Would be handy in Div 2 but in Div 1 we're struggling.
Don't want to be to hard on the lad at the end but forwards need to shoot. It's coached out of them. That lad takes that shot on for his club and he scores it 10 / 10 times.

The goal was awful to give away.

The lad you are talking about kicked 3 points. Had another kick from the left corner.
Don't think you can say he is afraid to shoot.
But its hard to beat a good generalisation

I wasn't been hard on him more then fact that he didn't take the shot because it wasn't a 100% chance and that's coached out of kids. The point I am trying to make is that for his club he'd take that shot. And he would score it.
He was afraid to shoot in that instance. Anyway he has been one of the rare positives this year.

[Tyrone Dreamer]

Yesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

[God14]

Yesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

Great shout. The stand wasnt even full yesterday, we are getting particularly poor crowds. There is no justification now playing all home games in Omagh. 

[Aaron Boone]

The two points for Galway straight after HT set the tone for yesterday's second half. Like the second period in Celtic Park, there was a real lethargy.

Things can be rosy again in 5 days with a win v Mayo. The lads will want to turn it around and the Canavan bros won't have been in Tralee this gameweek.

[Ancharraig123]

Mccurry?

[tyrone08]

Why wasn't mccurry or McShane playing

[God14]

McShane is only back in training following a lengthy lay off. It would be pretty desperate to throw him on. We have a lot of men that need a good pre season training - Oguz, McShane, McGleenan, McGeary, Mattie Donnelly. It'll take a while to get them up to speed. They do require match fitness as well, im not sure how thats achieved in the present condensed season.

Some of the basics was really poor on Sunday. A couple of basic kick passes from Kennedy that went astray, the mark Niall Devlin missed was poor - got to be scoring that
Very sloppy at the beggining of second half, allowing Galway those first two scores were just as critical as the goal
No urgency coming out of defence, even after a good turnover and with pockets of space to run and kick into. No real purposeful running off the shoulder - all too lateral and slow

The FF interchange system we persist with doesnt really work. We had kilpatrick in there for a few spells - never once kicked an early ball into him. What a waste. Cormac Quinn had a 5 minutes spell in there, Im still confused about that

Correcting some fairly basic stuff would make a significant improvement straight away

[Tyrone95]

Yesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

Great shout. The stand wasnt even full yesterday, we are getting particularly poor crowds. There is no justification now playing all home games in Omagh. 

The only justification probably is the media tower in which Omagh have that other club grounds don't. Not sure if RTE/TG4 would work as well in Carmen etc.. Dungannon sure to be an option but parking is a serious issue at Dungannon if they were to host a big NFL game.

[NotedObserver]

What changes will make if any?

Morgan
cormac Quinn
Hampsey
Clarke/devlin
odonnell
Mckernan
Cullen
Conn
Kennedy
Oguz
Harte
Canavan
McCurry
Canavan
Daly

Will they give mcglennon mcgeary a game?

[Mikhailov]

Yesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

Great shout. The stand wasnt even full yesterday, we are getting particularly poor crowds. There is no justification now playing all home games in Omagh. 

The only justification probably is the media tower in which Omagh have that other club grounds don't. Not sure if RTE/TG4 would work as well in Carmen etc.. Dungannon sure to be an option but parking is a serious issue at Dungannon if they were to host a big NFL game.

Don't think parking is an issue in Dungannon. Never was or has been and it has held many big games in the 90's and 2000's. The crowd that was there on Sunday v Galway wouldn't cause a problem to Dungannon