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#1
Not much word about this group yet!

Do Tyrone have the likes of Harte and Meyler coming back?

I'm assuming Kilpatrick is fully fit now?
#2
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2024, 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side
Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

You sound like someone who just likes to argue just for the sake of it.

I've already said, multiple times, that Biden has to follow the long-standing US broad consensus on Israel.

But believe it or not, the US, like most countries, has a multitude of other problems and policy areas outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If you're saying there's no difference between Biden and Trump, or the Dems and GOP in general, on anything, then you haven't got a clue.

Biden has to support Israeli genocide because..... He has to. That's brilliant. Thanks for explaining the complex American political landscape.

I think you support democrats as they are "your team" and as a result you are making excuses for a Genocide supporting piece of shit.

Where have I made excuses? I'm simply stating facts. You can shout all you want, but it doesn't make me wrong.

It's a two party system. You take what you can get. I can either go with the one that most mirrors my own views, or I can opt out and have zero say in the democratic process in the country in which I'm raising a family. I have the choice of a far-right, christian nationalist, personality cult, or a coalition of various interests united in opposition to that cult. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, while support for them and opposition to the extremism of Netanyahu Israel is growing within the ranks of the Democratic coalition, that support does not yet translate into enough influence to seriously moderate traditional US policy towards Israel. If Biden is perceived to go too far in opposing Netanyahu (again, he got an official rebuke from the House last week), it will split his party (and it may already have), and 100% guarantee the election of Trump and a GOP Congress and all that that will bring, including for the Palestinians.
 
#3
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2024, 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side
Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

You sound like someone who just likes to argue just for the sake of it.

I've already said, multiple times, that Biden has to follow the long-standing US broad consensus on Israel.

But believe it or not, the US, like most countries, has a multitude of other problems and policy areas outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If you're saying there's no difference between Biden and Trump, or the Dems and GOP in general, on anything, then you haven't got a clue.
#4
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2024, 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side
Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).
#5
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2024, 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side
Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.
#6
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Was Biden responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Hamas attack on October 7?

#7
It's degree lads. The Republicans want to give carte blanche to Israel. They're going mad at Biden for even pausing the shipments of 2000 lb bombs, with the House officially "rebuking" him recently. They're on tv arguing that the Gazan civilians are fair game because they elected and support Hamas. You think it's bad for the Palestinians now? Just wait till Trump wins and the GOP take back the Senate this autumn.
#8
I remember the "Keep Rovers at Milltown" movement in the late 80s when the owners sold the stadium out from under the club to property developers. They floated around for years after that before they ended up in Tallaght.

I think Shelbourne were originally out in Ringsend, but moved to Tolka Park after Home Farm absorbed Drumcondra and eventually left Tolka before finally going back to amateur and youth football.
#9
Quote from: J70 on May 20, 2024, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 20, 2024, 01:42:28 PMWill Klopp be deemed a successful manager,  Not a great soccer fan, but can only remember winning the premier league. Rescue them from the downward trajectary, will only remember the smile.

Paisley won more and transformed them into the best team in Europe, but Klopp's transformation of the club was second only to Shankly in scale.

He's definite top three and arguably top two in the greatest ever Liverpool managers.
#10
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 20, 2024, 01:42:28 PMWill Klopp be deemed a successful manager,  Not a great soccer fan, but can only remember winning the premier league. Rescue them from the downward trajectary, will only remember the smile.

Paisley won more and transformed them into the best team in Europe, but Klopp's transformation of the club was second only to Shankly.

He's definite top three and arguably top two in the greatest ever Liverpool managers.
#11
General discussion / Re: Premier League 2023-2024
May 20, 2024, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 20, 2024, 08:48:53 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2024, 07:30:26 PMDon't worry, the much talked about City "16 wins in a row streak" is right around the corner  ::)  ::)  ::)

Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 06:54:16 PMThat's our Erling! Scores 5 against Luton. #beststrikerintheworld.

Not to fear though, City will go on a 15 game winning streak (tm) any. day. now.

Just the 9 game winning streak required this season.

16 wins, 3 draws, 0 losses in second half of the season.
#12
General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
May 19, 2024, 11:15:27 PM
Knicks out, but that was a superb effort overall given the incredible amount of injuries they suffered. Hope they can build on this.
#13
What's with the crowds on the pitch?
#14
Derry shooting just like they did against us.
#15
What was he thinking?