The first of this years championships gets underway in the next couple of weeks, here is my four picks for the provincials and my outright winner,
Dublin
Kerry
Armagh
Roscommon
Champs Dublin.
Quote from: giveballaghback on February 16, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
The first of this years championships gets underway in the next couple of weeks, here is my four picks for the provincials and my outright winner,
Dublin
Kerry
Armagh
Roscommon
Champs Dublin.
Cork have 8 or 9 of the team that destroyed Kerry in Tralee last year available again..and will, correctly, be big favourites to beat Kerry in Cork.
Leinster starts next week
1. Wexford v Laois 25.2.2015 Bellefield, Enniscorthy 7.30
2. Louth v Carlow 25.2.2015 Clan na Gael 7.30
3. Wicklow v Longford 25.2.2015 Newtowncashel 7.30
4. Offaly v
5. Winners 2 v Winners 3 4.3.2015 Clan na Gael / Newtowncashel / Carlow IT 7.30
6. Dublin v Winners 1 4.3.2015 Parnell Park / Portlaoise 7.30
7. Meath v Westmeath 4.3.2015 Pairc Tailteann 7.30
8. Offaly v Kildare 4/5.3.2015 Portlaoise 7.30
9. 5 v 6 18.3.2015 7.30
10. 7 v 8 18.3.2015 7.30
Final 9 v 10 2.4.2015 7.30
My info is Kerry have put in a lot of work with the lads this year and by all accounts are going well, as always there will be a lot of 50-50 games out there and tipp will be in the munster mix as well, any of 3 in connacht, leinster dubs are firm favs and ulster is a minefield, any one of 5. Let the games begin.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 16, 2015, 10:21:25 PM
8. Offaly v Kildare 4/5.3.2015 Portlaoise 7.30
Portlaoise? What is wrong with Gracefield's pitch outside Portarlington?
First thread started by this fella and he started it because he knows 'it won't all come down to Mayo' ;) been in the business end of it. Fair dues chief, fair dues.
Reason for the wink isn't because I think we'll pull off one of the greatest shocks ever, but because you hate all things that breathe in Co. Mayo but because you continually harp on about threads leading to things Mayo.
Would be surprised if Kerry don't beat Cork. Maybe they were over-hyped last year but from what I saw in highlights and in the AISF they were much more fragile than I anticipated. We should have made easier work of them in AISF, and we would have save for two talented corner forwards and our shoddy defensive tactics.
Anyways, that's a very fine Kerry team and one I can see beating even Dublin in the AISF.
For us, just beat Sligo. Then we can worry about Connacht titles and AISFs.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 16, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on February 16, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
The first of this years championships gets underway in the next couple of weeks, here is my four picks for the provincials and my outright winner,
Dublin
Kerry
Armagh
Roscommon
Champs Dublin.
Cork have 8 or 9 of the team that destroyed Kerry in Tralee last year available again..and will, correctly, be big favourites to beat Kerry in Cork.
Was a 4 point defeat last year. Much changed Kerry team now with a pick from 2013 Munster minor and last September All Ireland winning teams. Mayo the same won minor AI 2013 and provincial title last year both will be short odds to win this years U21 All Ireland.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 17, 2015, 01:47:42 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 16, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on February 16, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
The first of this years championships gets underway in the next couple of weeks, here is my four picks for the provincials and my outright winner,
Dublin
Kerry
Armagh
Roscommon
Champs Dublin.
Cork have 8 or 9 of the team that destroyed Kerry in Tralee last year available again..and will, correctly, be big favourites to beat Kerry in Cork.
Was a 4 point defeat last year. Much changed Kerry team now with a pick from 2013 Munster minor and last September All Ireland winning teams. Mayo the same won minor AI 2013 and provincial title last year both will be short odds to win this years U21 All Ireland.
Heres hoping Tyrone sort themselves out this year at u-21, should have as good a chance as anyone.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2015, 07:55:20 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 17, 2015, 01:47:42 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 16, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on February 16, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
The first of this years championships gets underway in the next couple of weeks, here is my four picks for the provincials and my outright winner,
Dublin
Kerry
Armagh
Roscommon
Champs Dublin.
Cork have 8 or 9 of the team that destroyed Kerry in Tralee last year available again..and will, correctly, be big favourites to beat Kerry in Cork.
Was a 4 point defeat last year. Much changed Kerry team now with a pick from 2013 Munster minor and last September All Ireland winning teams. Mayo the same won minor AI 2013 and provincial title last year both will be short odds to win this years U21 All Ireland.
Heres hoping Tyrone sort themselves out this year at u-21, should have as good a chance as anyone.
Tyrone should make an impact in Ulster, but I can't see beyond Dublin for the title.
Some amazing players - esp upfront...and they play just like the Senior fellas...some team
Dublin will be handy enough but they wouldn't be favourites given the fact that no team has really dominated minor football the past 3 years.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2015, 12:57:25 PM
Dublin will be handy enough but they wouldn't be favourites given the fact that no team has really dominated minor football the past 3 years.
Dublin will be heavy favourites regardless.
Dublin will be hard to stop, but you can also expect the likes of Kerry, Cork, Galway and Mayo etc to be very strong. The provincial championships will have a real cutting edge due to the lack of a back door system.. Despite what some of the Mayo posters say, they should be very strong contenders being backboned by their 2013 Minor winners.
The CBs decision not to appoint a specific U21 manager will severely impact our chances of being competitive here.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 17, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
The CBs decision not to appoint a specific U21 manager will severely impact our chances of being competitive here.
I thought they did, and ye didn't like him :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 17, 2015, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 17, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
The CBs decision not to appoint a specific U21 manager will severely impact our chances of being competitive here.
I thought they did, and ye didn't like him :)
Nah, he was only in there as coach to give Cribbin a dig out until word got out and he had to be revoked.
What shock are ye going to pull off farrandeelin, are ye going to beat Galway? Its turning to mayo already.
God help us all.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2015, 12:57:25 PM
Dublin will be handy enough but they wouldn't be favourites given the fact that no team has really dominated minor football the past 3 years.
Dublin got to all Ireland final in 2011, winners in 2012 and the AI semi final in 2014
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2015, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2015, 12:57:25 PM
Dublin will be handy enough but they wouldn't be favourites given the fact that no team has really dominated minor football the past 3 years.
Dublin got to all Ireland final in 2011, winners in 2012 and the AI semi final in 2014
Wouldn't be many still underage from the 2011 minors and who beat the Dublin 2013 minors?
Longford I think
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2015, 07:35:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2015, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2015, 12:57:25 PM
Dublin will be handy enough but they wouldn't be favourites given the fact that no team has really dominated minor football the past 3 years.
Dublin got to all Ireland final in 2011, winners in 2012 and the AI semi final in 2014
Wouldn't be many still underage from the 2011 minors and who beat the Dublin 2013 minors?
Kildare
My prediction for provincial U21 winners is Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon & Armagh.
Based on results in the 2015 Hastings Cup Roscommon will be right in the All Ireland mix along with Kerry. In Connacht Mayo appear to be stronger than Galway. Both were beaten by Roscommon in the Hastings Cup, Mayo by 5 points & Galway by 13 points in the Hastings Cup final. Leitrim also acquitted themselves well losing the semi final to Galway in extra time. In Leinster Meath despite being all Ireland minor finalists in 2012 will not feature as they suffered a series of heavy defeats in the Hastings Cup. Kildare also failed to shine. The only Ulster team to compete in the Hastings Cup was Cavan who appear not to be as strong as the Cavan U21 teams from the last 3 years. Kerry won the Hastings shield having won all of their games except for a draw against Roscommon. Tipp failed to shine.
Dublin are the team to beat at U 21 with forwards Cormac Costello & Conor Mc Hugh leading the way. Roscommon's I believe have more quality players than either Mayo or Galway this year but a lot depends on the performance on the day. Their chances of All Ireland glory depend on whether midfielder Thomas Corcoran recovers from his ankle injury in time & whether they can improve on the defensive system that wasn't up to the task against Dublin in last years final.
Think we will make the munster final but come up short, we beat cork once and kerry twice at minors in 2012 but are missing our best two forwards in philip quirke and coleman kennedy and without these think we'll lack the firepower required.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 17, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
The CBs decision not to appoint a specific U21 manager will severely impact our chances of being competitive here.
Cannot understand this and I think it was the same last year with Bealin having the ladies manager training the team.Any reason why this is the case or is it a cost saving exercise?
Roscommon are oozing class,style and arrogance. Add that to kerry know how with evand and kerins(a very good addition to backroom) all in all rossies to get promoted to div 1 with galway) we will win connaught and maybe sneak last 4 if all falls rite.
By the way the u21 under a top top manager in mark dowd and a top top player if corcoran is fit. If he is rossies to win3rd time lucky ;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2015, 07:35:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2015, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2015, 12:57:25 PM
Dublin will be handy enough but they wouldn't be favourites given the fact that no team has really dominated minor football the past 3 years.
Dublin got to all Ireland final in 2011, winners in 2012 and the AI semi final in 2014
Wouldn't be many still underage from the 2011 minors and who beat the Dublin 2013 minors?
we won the 2012 minor title and its there year.
Nowhere near a fair compli but with conor mc hugh and Costello up front it's not a bad start. Shane Carthy at midfield. David Byrne at full back . Gavin Burke at wing forward. Niall Scully the other side. Colm Basquel, Eoin Murchan
It's a tasty team
No one mentioning Cavan for Ulster? From the outside looking in we seemed to totally experiment in the Hastings cup. We still have the spine of last year's team and unlike last year I think we have some natural forwards in Conor Madden, Ryan Connolly and Tom Hayes. Be interesting to see whether we change tactics at u21 level like our seniors are doing.
We have a strong-ish side on paper.
A game against Mayo could go either way.
I don't think this particular Galway side would beat Roscommon though.
They are definitely a step above us this year.
Quote from: gibbs32 on February 17, 2015, 11:35:35 PM
Roscommon are oozing class,style and arrogance. Add that to kerry know how with evand and kerins(a very good addition to backroom) all in all rossies to get promoted to div 1 with galway) we will win connaught and maybe sneak last 4 if all falls rite.
Quote from: gibbs32 on February 17, 2015, 11:38:17 PM
By the way the u21 under a top top manager in mark dowd and a top top player if corcoran is fit. If he is rossies to win3rd time lucky ;D
Is that you Sean from Kilmovee? have lost count of the amount of usernames you have created both on here and on SS. Your deep rooted obsession with us is not healthy.
Quote from: DonAsh on February 17, 2015, 08:50:14 PM
My prediction for provincial U21 winners is Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon & Armagh.
Based on results in the 2015 Hastings Cup Roscommon will be right in the All Ireland mix along with Kerry. In Connacht Mayo appear to be stronger than Galway. Both were beaten by Roscommon in the Hastings Cup, Mayo by 5 points & Galway by 13 points in the Hastings Cup final. Leitrim also acquitted themselves well losing the semi final to Galway in extra time. In Leinster Meath despite being all Ireland minor finalists in 2012 will not feature as they suffered a series of heavy defeats in the Hastings Cup. Kildare also failed to shine. The only Ulster team to compete in the Hastings Cup was Cavan who appear not to be as strong as the Cavan U21 teams from the last 3 years. Kerry won the Hastings shield having won all of their games except for a draw against Roscommon. Tipp failed to shine.
Dublin are the team to beat at U 21 with forwards Cormac Costello & Conor Mc Hugh leading the way. Roscommon's I believe have more quality players than either Mayo or Galway this year but a lot depends on the performance on the day. Their chances of All Ireland glory depend on whether midfielder Thomas Corcoran recovers from his ankle injury in time & whether they can improve on the defensive system that wasn't up to the task against Dublin in last years final.
Impressive first post. Hasting cup is pre season competition to test the strength of panels, the championship a different level with first 15s facing off against each other.
Quote from: Itchy on February 17, 2015, 11:45:30 PM
No one mentioning Cavan for Ulster? From the outside looking in we seemed to totally experiment in the Hastings cup. We still have the spine of last year's team and unlike last year I think we have some natural forwards in Conor Madden, Ryan Connolly and Tom Hayes. Be interesting to see whether we change tactics at u21 level like our seniors are doing.
Non talk should suit Cavan fine. Tough Ulster draw for you guys though?
Quote from: maigheo on February 17, 2015, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 17, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
The CBs decision not to appoint a specific U21 manager will severely impact our chances of being competitive here.
Cannot understand this and I think it was the same last year with Bealin having the ladies manager training the team.Any reason why this is the case or is it a cost saving exercise?
Yep, same last year and purely a cost saving exercise. Clubs did their best this year to get dedicated U21 manager in but were outmanoeuvred.
Quote from: DonAsh on February 17, 2015, 08:50:14 PM
My prediction for provincial U21 winners is Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon & Armagh.
In Leinster Meath despite being all Ireland minor finalists in 2012 will not feature as they suffered a series of heavy defeats in the Hastings Cup.
I know feck all about Meath, but thought I read that they have a number of U21s on their senior panel now, including both starting midfielders. Presumably they wouldnt have been involved in the Hastings Cup so the U21 championship team should be significantly stronger
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2015, 11:43:58 PM
we won the 2012 minor title and its there year.
Nowhere near a fair compli but with conor mc hugh and Costello up front it's not a bad start. Shane Carthy at midfield. David Byrne at full back . Gavin Burke at wing forward. Niall Scully the other side. Colm Basquel, Eoin Murchan
It's a tasty team
We've lost some big players from last year's team - McCaffrey, Small, Mannion and the two Raheny midfielders.
But we've 8 players who started both the 2012 minor and the 2014 U21 All Ireland finals, which is a nice starting base. And we can add Carthy, Burke, Basquel and Murchan, who for various reasons didn't feature in last year's U21 final, so on paper we're very strong alright.
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
Quote from: DonAsh on February 17, 2015, 08:50:14 PM
My prediction for provincial U21 winners is Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon & Armagh.
In Leinster Meath despite being all Ireland minor finalists in 2012 will not feature as they suffered a series of heavy defeats in the Hastings Cup.
I know feck all about Meath, but thought I read that they have a number of U21s on their senior panel now, including both starting midfielders. Presumably they wouldnt have been involved in the Hastings Cup so the U21 championship team should be significantly stronger
I'd actually have Meath as favourites for the Leinster u21 this year. Can they handle the favourites tag is the issue for them
I believe Tyrone bet Monaghan in some Ulster U21 thingy today.
Obviously Ulster sewn up and sure who from the weak Provinces could stop them.
Tonights Leinster u21 Results
Longford 4-13 Wicklow 1-05
Laois 4-12 Wexford 1-11
Louth 3-11 Carlow 2-10
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
I believe Tyrone bet Monaghan in some Ulster U21 thingy today.
Obviously Ulster sewn up and sure who from the weak Provinces could stop them.
Fancy Derry for Ulster . Handy enough home tie against Down to start off.
Big win for the Larries :o
Wexford had a lad called Robert Vaillejo playing corner-back.
Favourite GAA name I've seen so far this year.
The rossies will will make it third time lucky. Far better team along with dubs
Quote from: elk on February 25, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
I believe Tyrone bet Monaghan in some Ulster U21 thingy today.
Obviously Ulster sewn up and sure who from the weak Provinces could stop them.
Fancy Derry for Ulster . Handy enough home tie against Down to start off.
Cavan must have ten or eleven of last years U21s still underage they remain the team to beat in Ulster.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 26, 2015, 12:57:15 AM
Quote from: elk on February 25, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
I believe Tyrone bet Monaghan in some Ulster U21 thingy today.
Obviously Ulster sewn up and sure who from the weak Provinces could stop them.
Fancy Derry for Ulster . Handy enough home tie against Down to start off.
Cavan must have ten or eleven of last years U21s still underage they remain the team to beat in Ulster.
I think so, some of the team will be going for their 2nd and 3rd Ulster U21, some experience to have.
Quote from: Old yeller on February 26, 2015, 08:40:04 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 26, 2015, 12:57:15 AM
Quote from: elk on February 25, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
I believe Tyrone bet Monaghan in some Ulster U21 thingy today.
Obviously Ulster sewn up and sure who from the weak Provinces could stop them.
Fancy Derry for Ulster . Handy enough home tie against Down to start off.
Cavan must have ten or eleven of last years U21s still underage they remain the team to beat in Ulster.
I think so, some of the team will be going for their 2nd and 3rd Ulster U21, some experience to have.
Someone from down that way said to me a while back that the Kerry team is likely to have a highish chunk of the lads who won minor involved in the starting 15 and as a result they might struggle physically. Anyone know more on this?
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Quote from: Old yeller on February 26, 2015, 08:40:04 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 26, 2015, 12:57:15 AM
Quote from: elk on February 25, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
I believe Tyrone bet Monaghan in some Ulster U21 thingy today.
Obviously Ulster sewn up and sure who from the weak Provinces could stop them.
Fancy Derry for Ulster . Handy enough home tie against Down to start off.
Cavan must have ten or eleven of last years U21s still underage they remain the team to beat in Ulster.
I think so, some of the team will be going for their 2nd and 3rd Ulster U21, some experience to have.
Someone from down that way said to me a while back that the Kerry team is likely to have a highish chunk of the lads who won minor involved in the starting 15 and as a result they might struggle physically. Anyone know more on this?
Looking at their Hastings cup teams Kerry were only starting 3 or 4 of last years minors and another few on the bench. Kerry won Munster minor in 2013 a large chunk of their U21 team will likely be from that side.
You never want to be starting more than three or four graduated minors their first year at minor.
Anyone got odds on the all Ireland championship or the ulster championship
Quote from: Syferus on February 26, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
You never want to be starting more than three or four graduated minors their first year at minor.
Mayo started 6 minors when they won the title in 2006 so I guess thats another Syferus theory debunked
Quote from: maigheo on February 26, 2015, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 26, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
You never want to be starting more than three or four graduated minors their first year at minor.
Mayo started 6 minors when they won the title in 2006 so I guess thats another Syferus theory debunked
Looking at your under-cooked minor AI winners at U21 last year tells a different story.
Huge amount of physical and mental development happens in the two years following minor. Your spine should always be second and third year players unless the minors are exceptional or you're desperate.
Dublin have seven All-Ireland winners in their starting team to face Laois in tonights n Leinster U21 FC quarter-final.
Goalkeeper Lorcan Molloy, defenders David Byrne, Ross McGowan, Eric Lowndes and Conor Mulally, and attackers Niall Scully and Conor McHugh all starred in last year's All-Ireland U21 final victory over Roscommon.
The defending champions will be without Cormac Costello from the start, although the county senior star has been named on the bench for the Wednesday night trip to Portlaoise.
Eoghan O'Gara's younger brother Killian has been handed the No.13 shirt by manager Dessie Farrell.
Dublin (Leinster U21 FC v Laois): Lorcan Molloy; Emile Mullan, David Byrne, Ross McGowan; Eric Lowndes, Conor Mulally, Eoin Murchan; Stephen Cunningham, Shane Carthy; Robbie Gaughan, Michael Deegan, Niall Scully; Killian O'Gara, Conor McHugh, Colm Basquel.
Meath manager Sean Barry has named his starting fifteen to take on Westmeath in the Leinster U21 football championship.
The team includes six of the current Meath senior squad - Brian Power, Adam Flanagan, Harry Rooney, Paraic Harman and brothers Joey and Eamonn Wallace.
Eamonn Wallace gets his first competitive start after picking up a cruciate ligament injury against Louth in last year's U21FC replay at Pairc Tailteann.
Ratoath's Gavin McGowan, who lined out for the minor hurlers and footballers last year, mans the full back position.
St Peters Dunboyne's Shane McEntee will captain the team while county champions Navan O'Mahonys are represented by Ruairi O'Cioleain.
On their way to the 2012 All-Ireland Minor Football Championship final Meath defeated Westmeath in the Leinster semi final at Cusack Park Mullingar 3-14 to 1-7, but none of the six forwards who started that day are in the Meath team for Wednesday night's game.
Throw in at Pairc Tailteann is 7.30pm
Meath (U21FC v Westmeath) - Jack Hannigan (Donaghmore Ashbourne), Michael Flood (St Brigids), Gavin McGowan (Ratoath), Liam Ferguson (Gaeil Colmcille), Shane Dowling (St Patricks), Brian Power (Ratoath), Shane McEntee (St Peters Dunboyne), Adam Flanagan (Clonard), Harry Rooney (Skryne), Paraic Harnan (Moynalvey), Ruairi O'Coileain (Navan O'Mahonys), Joey Wallace (Ratoath), Shane Lenehan (Moynalvey), Paddy Kennelly (Dunderry), Eamon Wallace (Ratoath).
Offaly U21s v Kildare tomorrow night in Portlaoise
Jamie Colgan, Tubber; Jim Hendy, Bracknagh, James Lalor, Raheen, Aaron Whelan, Gracefield;Darragh Corbett, Shannonbridge, Joseph Kinahan, Tubber, Conor McNamee, Rhode;
Eoin Carroll, Cappincur, Declan Byrne, Raheen; Sean Moriarty, Edenderry, Joseph Maher, Ferbane, Jamie Evans, Gracefield; Ruairi McNamee, Rhode, Johnny Kavanagh, Tullamore, Luke Kelly, Clara;
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Offaly U21s v Kildare tomorrow night in Portlaoise
Jamie Colgan, Tubber; Jim Hendy, Bracknagh, James Lalor, Raheen, Aaron Whelan, Gracefield;Darragh Corbett, Shannonbridge, Joseph Kinahan, Tubber, Conor McNamee, Rhode;
Eoin Carroll, Cappincur, Declan Byrne, Raheen; Sean Moriarty, Edenderry, Joseph Maher, Ferbane, Jamie Evans, Gracefield; Ruairi McNamee, Rhode, Johnny Kavanagh, Tullamore, Luke Kelly, Clara;
I presume the two McNamee's of Rhode are related to Niall - what's the relationship there and more importantly do they have any of his talent?
They are brothers of each other, and cousins of Niall and Alan. I've heard good things about Ruarí, but Conor, as a back, gets a bit less press I suppose. Lone Shark is probably better placed to give an opinion there.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 04, 2015, 03:06:34 PM
Offaly U21s v Kildare tomorrow night in Portlaoise
Jamie Colgan, Tubber; Jim Hendy, Bracknagh, James Lalor, Raheen, Aaron Whelan, Gracefield;Darragh Corbett, Shannonbridge, Joseph Kinahan, Tubber, Conor McNamee, Rhode;
Eoin Carroll, Cappincur, Declan Byrne, Raheen; Sean Moriarty, Edenderry, Joseph Maher, Ferbane, Jamie Evans, Gracefield; Ruairi McNamee, Rhode, Johnny Kavanagh, Tullamore, Luke Kelly, Clara;
No Cunningham? Injured?
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 04, 2015, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 04, 2015, 03:06:34 PM
Offaly U21s v Kildare tomorrow night in Portlaoise
Jamie Colgan, Tubber; Jim Hendy, Bracknagh, James Lalor, Raheen, Aaron Whelan, Gracefield;Darragh Corbett, Shannonbridge, Joseph Kinahan, Tubber, Conor McNamee, Rhode;
Eoin Carroll, Cappincur, Declan Byrne, Raheen; Sean Moriarty, Edenderry, Joseph Maher, Ferbane, Jamie Evans, Gracefield; Ruairi McNamee, Rhode, Johnny Kavanagh, Tullamore, Luke Kelly, Clara;
I presume the two McNamee's of Rhode are related to Niall - what's the relationship there and more importantly do they have any of his talent?
When we're on process of linking players with other people, I headd the corner forward for Offaly is some singer
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Quote from: twohands!!! on March 04, 2015, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 04, 2015, 03:06:34 PM
Offaly U21s v Kildare tomorrow night in Portlaoise
Jamie Colgan, Tubber; Jim Hendy, Bracknagh, James Lalor, Raheen, Aaron Whelan, Gracefield;Darragh Corbett, Shannonbridge, Joseph Kinahan, Tubber, Conor McNamee, Rhode;
Eoin Carroll, Cappincur, Declan Byrne, Raheen; Sean Moriarty, Edenderry, Joseph Maher, Ferbane, Jamie Evans, Gracefield; Ruairi McNamee, Rhode, Johnny Kavanagh, Tullamore, Luke Kelly, Clara;
I presume the two McNamee's of Rhode are related to Niall - what's the relationship there and more importantly do they have any of his talent?
When we're on process of linking players with other people, I headd the corner forward for Offaly is some singer
Yea but he is a Dubliner.
Tonights Leinster championship results
Longford 1-17 Louth 1-4
Laois 2-10 Dublin 2-21
Meath 1-10 Westmeath 1-8
Westmeath's decision not to appoint a separate U21 manager was genius.
As was their decision not to do any training until January 1st.
Blind leading the blind
Laois actually took the lead early in the second half. Sleepy performance by Dublin or were Laois just a solid outfit that ran out of gas?
Or else Dublin are over hyped and not as good as we think.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 05, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
Or else Dublin are over hyped and not as good as we think.
They scored 23 times in 60 mins. The A I is their's to lose
Quote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 05, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
Or else Dublin are over hyped and not as good as we think.
They scored 23 times in 60 mins. The A I is their's to lose
Rossfan, that has to be the, whatever the opposite to in-depth analysis I've ever read.
Would you agree that there would be other factors to consider?
Quote from: Esmarelda on March 05, 2015, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 05, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
Or else Dublin are over hyped and not as good as we think.
They scored 23 times in 60 mins. The A I is their's to lose
Rossfan, that has to be the, whatever the opposite to in-depth analysis I've ever read.
Would you agree that there would be other factors to consider?
Were the posts wider? Had Laois no defence? :D
It's still a fearsome stat. and they did sweep all before them at minor on 2012.
Give them the Cupeen now.
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 05, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
Or else Dublin are over hyped and not as good as we think.
They scored 23 times in 60 mins. The A I is their's to lose
Rossfan, that has to be the, whatever the opposite to in-depth analysis I've ever read.
Would you agree that there would be other factors to consider?
Were the posts wider? Had Laois no defence? :D
It's still a fearsome stat. and they did sweep all before them at minor on 2012.
Give them the Cupeen now.
The posts been wider would make little difference. The crossbar however............. ;)
Strong wind, injured Laois defenders, many strokes of luck; all possible reasons along with Dublin being quite good.
Kildare 1-8 Offaly 0-4 at half time.
Full time Kildare 3-12 Offaly 0-9
Leinster semi finals played in neutral venues
Dublin v Longford
Kildare v Meath
Longford seem to thrive when playing Dublin at underage. Should be an interesting one. The other semi, it's hard to see past Kildare but maybe Meath can draw something out of themselves that they've yet to show.
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 09:24:00 PM
Longford seem to thrive when playing Dublin at underage. Should be an interesting one. The other semi, it's hard to see past Kildare but maybe Meath can draw something out of themselves that they've yet to show.
True they've beaten us once in ............................................................
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 05, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
Or else Dublin are over hyped and not as good as we think.
Completely overhyped.
We all know this is Roscommon's to lose
Kind of hard to play that game when the last thing you posted was a dismissal of Longford.
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Kind of hard to play that game when the last thing you posted was a dismissal of Longford.
Tell me what part of my statement was infactual.
I only deal in the facts Syferus . I leave the bullshit to you
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Kind of hard to play that game when the last thing you posted was a dismissal of Longford.
Tell me what part of my statement was infactual.
I only deal in the facts Syferus . I leave the bullshit to you
To be fair all you have to do is mention Dublin's sugar mountain of money or the Hastings Cup and you spray scat everywhere.
Longford team and management looking forward to having a crack at the Dubs . We are best when we are the underdogs , we seldom preform in games where we're favourites. Hugely impressive workrate last night and having been caught out a couple of years ago Dessie Farrell will be expecting a tough game . Last year had a bit of damage limatation about it but this year we have more belief in what could be achieved.
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Kind of hard to play that game when the last thing you posted was a dismissal of Longford.
Tell me what part of my statement was infactual.
I only deal in the facts Syferus . I leave the bullshit to you
To be fair all you have to do is mention Dublin's sugar mountain of money or the Hastings Cup and you spray scat everywhere.
Well the Hastings Cup came in handy on Wednesday night
Quote from: The Insider on March 05, 2015, 10:29:45 PM
Longford team and management looking forward to having a crack at the Dubs . We are best when we are the underdogs , we seldom preform in games where we're favourites. Hugely impressive workrate last night and having been caught out a couple of years ago Dessie Farrell will be expecting a tough game . Last year had a bit of damage limatation about it but this year we have more belief in what could be achieved.
Its a very good Longford team and won't be taking lightly by Dublin
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Kind of hard to play that game when the last thing you posted was a dismissal of Longford.
Tell me what part of my statement was infactual.
I only deal in the facts Syferus . I leave the bullshit to you
To be fair all you have to do is mention Dublin's sugar mountain of money or the Hastings Cup and you spray scat everywhere.
Well the Hastings Cup came in handy on Wednesday night
Most counties dont have 5 or 6 third level colleges in the county to train their players.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2015, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Kind of hard to play that game when the last thing you posted was a dismissal of Longford.
Tell me what part of my statement was infactual.
I only deal in the facts Syferus . I leave the bullshit to you
To be fair all you have to do is mention Dublin's sugar mountain of money or the Hastings Cup and you spray scat everywhere.
Well the Hastings Cup came in handy on Wednesday night
Most counties dont have 5 or 6 third level colleges in the county to train their players.
True we help train most of Roscommon's
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 09:32:13 PM
We all know this is Roscommon's to lose
Mayo seniors 2013 Dublin seniors 2014 & your own club St Vincents this year all had the to lose tag so thanks Indy but Dublin U21s can keep the is to lose tag :P
Quote from: INDIANA on March 05, 2015, 11:10:25 PM
True we help train most of Roscommon's
More to the point our lads help Dublin colleges to win most of their tournaments.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 05, 2015, 08:52:51 PM
Full time Kildare 3-12 Offaly 0-9
Leinster semi finals played in neutral venues
Dublin v Longford
Kildare v Meath
Decent performance but the margin of victory clearly flattered us in the end. The first two goals arrived at key stages in the game and Heaney in goal pulled off a number of good stops to keep Offaly out. The sending off ended it as a contest. Sherry was impressive and if they could only bottle whatever Niall Kelly has and give it to the rest of the Kildare seniors we wouldn't be in half the mess we are currently in.
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Would you ever fûck off. You'll get no one to do it by spamming it like a robot.
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Irony ;D
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2015, 02:58:46 PM
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Irony ;D
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Not really.
From mayogaa website.
The Connacht G.A.A. U-21 Football Championship gets underway this week where Mayo take on Leitrim in the Quarter-Final with the winner progressing to the Semi-Final against Galway. Mayo U-21 Manager Niall Heffernan will be keen to get off to a winning START after last years defeat to Roscommon in the first outing. The Mayo U-21 team will be boosted by the presence of some of the senior players such as Diarmuid O'Connor, STEPHEN Coen and Patrick Durcan. The Mayo U-21 Football Team to face Leitrim in the Connacht G.A.A. U-21 Football Championship Quarter-Final this Wednesday 11th March at 7.30p.m. at Elverys MacHale Park is as follows:
Matthew Flanagan - Balla
2.) Michael Hall - Breaffy
3.) David Kenny - Aghamore
4.) James Stretton - Claremorris
5.) Sean Regan - Ballina Stephenites
6.) Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7.) Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
8.) Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
9.) T.J. Byrne - Kiltimagh
10.) Val Roughneen - Balla
11.) Adam Gallagher - Mayo Gaels (Capt.)
12.) Darren McHale - Knockmore
13.) Cian Burke - Ballymun Kickhams
14.) Brian Reape - Bohola Moy Davitts
15.) James Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
16.) Sean Shaughnessy - Ballinrobe
17.) Kevin Lynch - Mayo Gaels
18.) Eoin O'Donoghue - Belmullet
19.) Eddie Doran - Achill
20.) Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
21.) Morgan Lyons - Ballyhaunis
22.) Conor Loftus - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
23.) Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
24.) Steven Conroy - The Neale
Niall Heffernan - Manager
What is the story with Seamus Cunniffe? I would have expected that he would be on the U21 panel at this stage?
Wednesday, March 11
Connacht U21 Football Championship Preliminary Round
Mayo v Leitrim, Elverys MacHale Park, Castlebar, 7.30pm
Munster U21 Football Championship Quarter-Finals
Limerick v Cork, Gaelic Grounds, 7.30pm
Clare v Waterford, Milltown Malbay, 7.30pm
Ulster U21 Football Championship Preliminary Round
Derry v Down, Celtic Park, 8pm
There is full live radio coverage of Mayo Leitrim game on MidWest Radio this evening.
LIMERICK:
James O'Mara (Fr Caseys);
Shane Cusack (Monaleen),
Stephen Cahill (Mountcollins),
Sean Barrett (Bruff);
Chris Smith (Fr Caseys),
Cillian Fahy (Dromcollogher-Broadford),
Tony McCarthy (Kildimo-Pallaskenry);
William O'Donoghue (Na Piarsaigh),
Gearoid Hegarty (St Patricks);
Evan Quinlan (Monaleen),
Cian Sheehan (Newcastle West),
Killian Ryan (Mungret);
Kevin Moore (Glin),
Jack English (Adare),
Jason Mullins (St Patricks).
CORK:
Michael Martin;
Dylan Quinn,
Jamie Davis,
Stephen Cronin;
Tomas O'Rourke,
Sean White,
Kevin Crowley;
Darragh Murphy,
Ian Maguire;
Alan O'Donovan,
Conor Horgan,
Ryan Harkin;
Cathal Vaughan,
Peter Kelleher,
Sean O'Donoghue.
***
Clare (Munster U21 FC V Waterford):
Killian Normoyle;
Cian O'Mahoney,
Jack O'Dea,
Conor Brennan;
Darren Nagle,
Conor O'Brien,
Cian O'Dea;
Dara Walsh,
Jamie Malone;
Liam Corry,
Paddy O'Malley,
Dale Masterson;
Martin O'Leary,
Keelan Sexton,
Eimhin Courtney.
Waterford
1 David Whitty Gaultier (Captain)
2 Stephen Dalton De La Salle
3 Conor Walsh Rathgormack
4 Jamie de Barún An Rinn
5 Jack Mullaney Stradbally
6 Tom Devine Modeligo
7 Jonathon Fenton Bunmahon
8 Dermot Ryan Nire
9 Seamus Keating Ardmore
10 Michael Curry Rathgormack
11 Ferghal Ó Cuirrín An Rinn
12 Jason Curry Rathgormack
13 Conor Murray Rathgormack
14 Jason Gleeson Rathgormack
15 Conor Gleeson Nire
Leitrim Panel
1 Brendan Flynn St Mary's Kiltoghert
2 James Mitchell Mohill
3 Gary Butler Fenagh-St Caillins
4 Keelan McHugh Ballinamore-Sean O Heslin's
5 Oisin Madden Mohill
6 Nicholas Moore Allen Gaels
7 Jack De Lacy St Mary's Kiltoghert
8 Donal Wynnn Fenagh-St Caillins
9 Felim McHugh Drumkeerin
10 James Rooney Glencar/Manorhamilton
11 Mark Plunkett Aughawillan
12 Daire Farrell St Mary's Kiltoghert
13 Gary Plunkett Aughawillan
14 Dean McGovern Ballinamore-Sean O Heslin's
15 Conor Gaffney Drumreilly
16 Diarmuid McKiernan Allen Gaels
17 Michael Clancy St Patrick's Dromahair
18 Tommy Rogan Drumkeerin
19 Darragh Gordon Mohill
20 Kevin Shanley Bornacoola
21 Kenny Cox Annaduff
22 Niall Brady Glencar/Manorhamilton
23 Declan Daly Drumkeerin
24 Luke Murphy Ballinamore-Sean O Heslin's
25 Niall McLoughlin Glencar-Manorhamilton
26 Gary Fowley St Patrick's Dromahair
27 Padraig Gallagher Gortletteragh
28 John Reynolds Gortletteragh
29 Barry Nash Carrigallen
30 Enda Fowley St Patrick's Dromahair
31 Aaron McLoughlin Leitrim Gaels
I don't know much about Leitrim, but I hope Mayo aren't as bad as last year. I wouldn't say we are and I predict a Mayo win. Hope my optimism doesn't bite me on the arse!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 11, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
I don't know much about Leitrim, but I hope Mayo aren't as bad as last year. I wouldn't say we are and I predict a Mayo win. Hope my optimism doesn't bite me on the arse!
There's about 5 players who have featured for the seniors there, so a solid base to work on.
Paddy Power Odds
1/20 Mayo U21 v Leitrim U21 20/1 Draw 8/1
14/1 Limerick U21 v Cork U21 1/66 Draw 33/1
4/11 Clare U21 v Waterford U21 5/2 Draw 8/1
8/15 Derry U21 v Down U21 15/8 Draw 7/1
Quote from: moysider on March 11, 2015, 01:39:06 PM
From mayogaa website.
The Connacht G.A.A. U-21 Football Championship gets underway this week where Mayo take on Leitrim in the Quarter-Final with the winner progressing to the Semi-Final against Galway. Mayo U-21 Manager Niall Heffernan will be keen to get off to a winning START after last years defeat to Roscommon in the first outing. The Mayo U-21 team will be boosted by the presence of some of the senior players such as Diarmuid O'Connor, STEPHEN Coen and Patrick Durcan. The Mayo U-21 Football Team to face Leitrim in the Connacht G.A.A. U-21 Football Championship Quarter-Final this Wednesday 11th March at 7.30p.m. at Elverys MacHale Park is as follows:
Matthew Flanagan - Balla
2.) Michael Hall - Breaffy
3.) David Kenny - Aghamore
4.) James Stretton - Claremorris
5.) Sean Regan - Ballina Stephenites
6.) Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7.) Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
8.) Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
9.) T.J. Byrne - Kiltimagh
10.) Val Roughneen - Balla
11.) Adam Gallagher - Mayo Gaels (Capt.)
12.) Darren McHale - Knockmore
13.) Cian Burke - Ballymun Kickhams
14.) Brian Reape - Bohola Moy Davitts
15.) James Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
16.) Sean Shaughnessy - Ballinrobe
17.) Kevin Lynch - Mayo Gaels
18.) Eoin O'Donoghue - Belmullet
19.) Eddie Doran - Achill
20.) Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
21.) Morgan Lyons - Ballyhaunis
22.) Conor Loftus - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
23.) Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
24.) Steven Conroy - The Neale
Niall Heffernan - Manager
The Mayo minor team from 2013:
Mayo: Mark Mulligan; Eddie Doran, Seamus Cunniffe, David Kenny; Michael Hall, Stephen Coen, Sean Conlon; Val Roughneen, Diarmuid O'Connor; Conor Loftus, Michael Plunkett, Padraig Prendergast; Darragh Doherty, Liam Irwin, Tommy Conroy.
Four starters by my count, 3 of which have played senior, which is probably around average considering they've another year at U21.
Reape was minor last year, very handy CF
10 mins gone Mayo 0-2 leitrim 0-2
Mayo kicking a lot of wides - 5 by my count already.
Leitrim 0-4 Mayo 0-2
Cork 2-1 Limerick 0-6 after 20 minutes.
20 mins gone Mayo 1-2 Leitrim 0-4. Hall with the goal.
Mayo 1-4 Leitrim 0-5 - 25 minutes
Sounds like a very decent game of ball.
Leitrim hit the post with a 14 m free. :'(
25 mis: Jamie Malone goals for Clare, laid on by Martin O'Leary. Clare 1-4 Waterford 0-1
Leitrim miss another 14m free from a tight angle by a different free-taker.
Sounds like 2 points gone a beggin very cheaply
Mayo up to 10 wides now according to the radio.
Half time Mayo 1-4 Leitrim 0-5. Mayo kicked 10 wides in that half been forced to shoot from distance.
Leitrim making a mockery of the bookies anyway
Cork 3-4 Limerick 0-8 at HT
Clare 1-4 Waterford 0-2 HT
Derry out of the gates sharpish - throw-in at 8
Derry 0-03 Down 0-00
Mayo 1-6 Leitrim 0-6. Donal Wrynn one of Leitrim best players black carded.
Christ, mid-west have lost the link to MacHale park and we have to endure some god-awful Country & Western shite!
Oops -Technical Difficulties on MWR and some diddly-aye comes on to assault the ears.
Cork 3-6 Limerick 1-12 40 minutes
Limerick really putting it up to Cork
Another Mayo goal O Connor
This is a much better song!
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2015, 08:32:09 PM
This is a much better song!
much better is a very relative term
Looks like Mayo will be comfortable now
Mayo 2-07 Leitrim 0-06
Cork with another goal
Cork 4-6 Limerick 1-12 44 minutes
Someone at the match says there is a bad injury from the lead up to the goal.
MWR being equal opportunity offenders with a dirge in praise of Leitrim.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2015, 08:36:29 PM
Source at the match says there is a bad injury from the lead up to the goal.
Twitter saying it's the keeper and he's still down.
Clare 2-10 Waterford 0-2 41 minutes.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2015, 08:36:29 PM
Someone at the match says there is a bad injury from the lead up to the goal.
Sounds bad unfortunately. Teams taken off the pitch.
It's the Leitrim full back.
No ambulance at the pitch. It doesn't have to come too far thankfully, but surely there should be one on standby?
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2015, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2015, 08:36:29 PM
Someone at the match says there is a bad injury from the lead up to the goal.
Sounds bad unfortunately. Teams taken off the pitch.
It's the Leitrim full back.
Always horrible to see/hear.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2015, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2015, 08:36:29 PM
Someone at the match says there is a bad injury from the lead up to the goal.
Sounds bad unfortunately. Teams taken off the pitch.
It's the Leitrim full back.
No ambulance at the pitch. It doesn't have to come too far thankfully, but surely there should be one on standby?
No official requirement for it - the thing is that it's not really feasible to have an ambulance parked at a pitch for every game and it might not be the best place to have an ambulance parked to respond to other calls.
Cork 4-8 Limerick 1-12 55 minutes
Seems like Limerick really put it up to Cork
Clare 2-11 : 0-3 Waterford FT
Sounds like a very comfortable win for Clare.
Play Tipp next week who should be a serious step up in quality for a place in the Munster final.
Cork 5-8 Limerick 2-12 FT
Looks like a real positive performance by Limerick. Cork face Kerry next week.
Teams back out on the field now.
A neck injury for Gary Butler. Hopefully it's precautionary and he makes a full recovery very soon.
3rd goal for Mayo, all over now anyway.
4th goal for Mayo - Adam Gallagher.
4-07 to 0-07 now.
Hope the Leitrim lad will be OK.
The AI between Rhus and Dublin :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on March 11, 2015, 09:44:06 PM
Hope the Leitrim lad will be OK.
The AI between Rhus and Dublin :-\
Yeah, that's the only logical conclusion in fairness....
I also echo the sentiment held by all here and I hope the Leitrim full back is ok. Onto the game itself, it consisted of 2 teams playing blanket defences. At least we got the goals! Leitrim were always chasing the game even after we got the first goal I thought. Credit to Mayo though, Leitrim probably should have been level for the sheer workrate at halftime. Mayo upped the ante in the 2nd half and all subs were a good addition.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 11, 2015, 10:26:44 PM
I also echo the sentiment held by all here and I hope the Leitrim full back is ok. Onto the game itself, it consisted of 2 teams playing blanket defences. At least we got the goals! Leitrim were always chasing the game even after we got the first goal I thought. Credit to Mayo though, Leitrim probably should have been level for the sheer workrate at halftime. Mayo upped the ante in the 2nd half and all subs were a good addition.
+1. Hopefully it was not as bad as it looked. Fingers crossed. Hope he is well and back playing ball real soon.
Until we know more, any observations I have about the match can wait. For parents at a match or listening in something like that is a nightmare.
Good news!
Check out @LeitrimGAA's Tweet: https://twitter.com/LeitrimGAA/status/575801959271251968
Good news update on Gary Butler injury v Mayo in Castlebar tonight. Thankfully no lasting serious injury sustained.
Delighted to hear that.
Mayo for sausage.
Quote from: moysider on March 11, 2015, 11:26:37 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 11, 2015, 10:26:44 PM
I also echo the sentiment held by all here and I hope the Leitrim full back is ok. Onto the game itself, it consisted of 2 teams playing blanket defences. At least we got the goals! Leitrim were always chasing the game even after we got the first goal I thought. Credit to Mayo though, Leitrim probably should have been level for the sheer workrate at halftime. Mayo upped the ante in the 2nd half and all subs were a good addition.
+1. Hopefully it was not as bad as it looked. Fingers crossed. Hope he is well and back playing ball real soon.
Until we know more, any observations I have about the match can wait. For parents at a match or listening in something like that is a nightmare.
Well said and great news the young man is ok.
I see the Ros/Sligo game is down for next Wednesday. Would the clowns not have been better to fix that game for the previous day, seeing as most people would be off work on St Patrick's day? I'd say the players would prefer that too. pure stupidity.
Glad to hear the Leitrim U21 player's injury was not serious and he is recovering.
It's fine the way it is.
Hope neither of us die of shock :o but I agree with Seànie's comment.
I remember us playing the Rhus on St P's day in 2010 and a grand crowd turned up.
Maybe the CC has enough €s ::)
The bus is probably in the parade.
Jealousy AZ.... Tut tut.
Nonsense. Why would we be jealous?
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 12, 2015, 03:46:57 PM
Hope neither of us die of shock :o but I agree with Seànie's comment.
I remember us playing the Rhus on St P's day in 2010 and a grand crowd turned up.
Maybe the CC has enough €s ::)
Yeah - they're normally very adept at maximising revenue.
I'm just thinking the Rossie lads might want a pint to drown their sorrows on St Patricks Day after the game. ;D
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2015, 02:18:17 PM
I see the Ros/Sligo game is down for next Wednesday. Would the clowns not have been better to fix that game for the previous day, seeing as most people would be off work on St Patrick's day? I'd say the players would prefer that too. pure stupidity.
Glad to hear the Leitrim U21 player's injury was not serious and he is recovering.
There's a serious chunk of the U21 games down for next Wednesday - even aside from the March 17th factor, the scheduling doesn't look the most sensible overall with Connacht, Munster, and Leinster all having their semi-finals next Wednesday , while Ulster will only be having their quarter-finals.
Busiest night of U21 football action of the year by far with 10 games on that night.
The last thing I'd want to be doing at 7:30pm on Paddy's Night is freezing my tits off in Kiltoom.
Quote from: Syferus on March 12, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
The last thing I'd want to be doing at 7:30pm on Pady's Night is freezing my tits off in Kiltoom.
Next Wednesday is the 18th so I'd imagine if you turned up on Paddy's night it might be a tad quiet in Kiltoom given there'll hardly be any team training on Paddy's night.
The game would likely be in the Hyde at 4 if it was on St P day.
I didn't know you had becomea girleen Syf.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 12, 2015, 09:21:31 PM
The game would likely be in the Hyde at 4 if it was on St P day.
I didn't know you had becomea girleen Syf.
Nah, he's just a fatty.
U21 pp
Dub 7\4
Ross 3\1
Kerry 9\1
Mayo 10\1
Galway16\1
Kerry serious value
Only because they have a chancey game against Cork (they should win). Galway and Mayo are only so low because they have two chancey games to get the AISF.
Quote from: mjg on March 13, 2015, 07:11:35 AM
U21 pp
Dub 7\4
Ross 3\1
Kerry 9\1
Mayo 10\1
Galway16\1
Kerry serious value
But, but, but I thought from this thread that Roscommon didn't have a snowball's chance this year. These odds can't be right.
Agree that Kerry will imo have a serious say in this year's championship. Kildare can't be written off either.
Syf running down Kerry can only have one outcome if 2014 is anything to go by. :-\
Tyrone would need to be doing something considering the vast amount of money that has been invested this year
Quote from: Rossfan on March 13, 2015, 11:03:41 AM
Syf running down Kerry can only have one outcome if 2014 is anything to go by. :-\
What? I said the only reason they're so low is they have a serious match against Cork to get over with, and that they should win it. How is that running them down? After Dublin I think they have the best shot at winning the AI. Connacht is a crapshoot no matter how good your team is.
What's a "crapshoot" -- firing faeces from a gun or firing a gun into a pile of sh1te ???
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 12, 2015, 04:08:11 PM
Nonsense. Why would we be jealous?
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The one with the pointy ears on the left had many children and grandchildren that played for Roscommon.
While the two on the right played for Mayowestros.
Congrats to Roscommon CBS on winning the Connacht Colleges 'A' title today by beating Summerhill College, Sligo in the final by 0-8 to 0-7.. Let's hope it's the first of a Rossie underage double over Sligo teams this week.
Kerry Team named for Wednesday's game against Cork
6 starters from last year's winning minor team.
QuotePairc Uí Rinn Wednesday March 18th 7:30 pm
The Kerry Team to play Cork in the Cadburys Munster GAA Under 21 Football Championship Semi Final in Páirc Uí Rinn on Wednesday evening next contains just one of last year's starting 15 against the same opposition (Gavin Crowley)as well as 6 of the successful Kerry Minor side from last year namely, Shane Ryan, Cormac Coffey, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Barry O'Sullivan, Micheál Burns and Matthew Flaherty.
The team, captained by Gavin Crowley from Templenoe is as follows:
1. Shane Ryan (Rathmore)
2. Cormac Coffey (Kerins O'Rahillys)
3. Gavin Crowley (Templenoe)
4. Brian Ó Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht)
5. Ronan Murphy (Beaufort)
6. Denis Daly (St Marys)
7. Cathal Ó Lúing (An Ghaeltacht)
8. Jack Barry Na Gaeil)
9. Barry O'Sullivan (Dingle)
10. Brian Crowley (Templenoe)
11. Jack Savage (Kerins O'Rahillys)
12. Micheal Burns (Dr Crokes)
13. Matthew Flaherty (Dingle)
14. Dara Roche (Glenflesk)
15. Conor Keane (Killarney Legion)
Fir Ionaid
16. Darragh O'Shea (Ballydonoghue)
17. Cathal Murphy (Rathmore)
18. Greg Horan (Austin Stacks)
19. Conor Jordan (Austin Stacks)
20. Gary O'Sullivan (Listry)
21. Kevin McCarthy (Kilcummin)
22. Eanna Ó Conchúir (An Ghaeltacht)
23. Donal Maher (Kilcummin)
24. Liam Carey (Beaufort)
Bainistíocht: Darragh Ó Sé (Bainisteoir), Seamus Moynihan, John Shanahan, Ciarán McCabe.
The following players are part of the extended Kerry training panel:
Adrian Spillane (Templenoe), Cillian Fitzgerald (Churchill), David Foran (St Senans), Killian Spillane (Templenoe), Niall Sheehy (John Mitchels), Padraig Ó Conchúir (Dingle), Sean T. Dillon (St Senans), Tom O'Sullivan (Dingle).
Top players even on that extended Kerry panel the Cork Munster U21 dominance could be coming to end on Wednesday night.
I tipped Kerry to win munster in my first post here but with 6 of last years minors starting I dont know, may be a little light weight, we will see on wednesday.
I see Liam Carey named on the subs.
He came off the bench for the minors last year a few times and I thought he looked a brilliant player.
I was wondering how he didn't make the starting team after watching his cameos.
You'd have to fancy Kerry to win this one
Ahead of Ros v Sligo, what do we know about the Sligo team? Do they have any players on the Sligo Senior team?... From the Ros point of view, it's a game they should win. Mark Dowd will have to ponder team selection and who his first 15 are. Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Ultan Harney will all be on a high after Newbridge as will young Noel Gately after his Connacht medal with Roscommon CBS.
Interested to find out, perhaps the Kerry men can shed some light. Are those players on the 'extended Kerry panel' not expected to take any part in the U21 championship? Are they on a fast track to the Kerry senior panel as such??
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 16, 2015, 01:38:20 PM
Ahead of Ros v Sligo, what do we know about the Sligo team? Do they have any players on the Sligo Senior team?... From the Ros point of view, it's a game they should win. Mark Dowd will have to ponder team selection and who his first 15 are. Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Ultan Harney will all be on a high after Newbridge as will young Noel Gately after his Connacht medal with Roscommon CBS.
so you don't know anything about the Sligo team but it's a game ye should win? That makes sense alright!
Yes Seanie, it makes sense to me anyway. I don't know much about the Sligo team, but regardless of who they have, i don't expect them to beat Roscommon... Surprised you passed up the chance to tell us about them while you were Posting.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 16, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 16, 2015, 01:38:20 PM
Ahead of Ros v Sligo, what do we know about the Sligo team? Do they have any players on the Sligo Senior team?... From the Ros point of view, it's a game they should win. Mark Dowd will have to ponder team selection and who his first 15 are. Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Ultan Harney will all be on a high after Newbridge as will young Noel Gately after his Connacht medal with Roscommon CBS.
so you don't know anything about the Sligo team but it's a game ye should win? That makes sense alright!
To be fair he's far from alone in that assumption. Is he wrong?
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 16, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
Yes Seanie, it makes sense to me anyway. I don't know much about the Sligo team, but regardless of who they have, i don't expect them to beat Roscommon... Surprised you passed up the chance to tell us about them while you were Posting.
It just seems strange to me that you'd make an assertion about something you know nothing about.
There's no need for me to tell you anything about Sligo - sure you know you're going to win.
Criostoir Davey,Kevin McDonnell, Cian Breheny would be a few Sligo seniors that will line out for their U-21s on Wedneday i can imagine then all the Henrys Cathal,Kevin,Liam,Stephen who are all good footballers. Sligo have given us good competitive games at both minor,U21 the last two years and i would expect more of the same in Kiltoom. Hopefully weatherwise its a good night for football & of course we win.
How dare you have the temerity to suggest that ye're boys won't just roll over in the face of the Rossie juggernaut, Seanie
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 05:32:55 PM
How dare you have the temerity to suggest that ye're boys won't just roll over in the face of the Rossie juggernaut, Seanie
Coming from the Globetrotters themselves that's some going Mac.
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 05:32:55 PM
How dare you have the temerity to suggest that ye're boys won't just roll over in the face of the Rossie juggernaut, Seanie
Keep yer rhubarb nose put of this :P
I'd be surprised if we don't do the business but expect a full blooded challenge from the Shliigos.
I didn't say that i expected Sligo to roll over, only that i expect Ros to win... No need for that attitude Seanie.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2015, 04:14:21 PM
Interested to find out, perhaps the Kerry men can shed some light. Are those players on the 'extended Kerry panel' not expected to take any part in the U21 championship? Are they on a fast track to the Kerry senior panel as such??
I would assume that they are just part of the training panel - Conor Keane came on in the league for Kerry this year so you would think he's the player closest to the senior setup.
Looking at the Kerry squad and surname and clubs is like playing a game of spot the relative - the Spillanes of Templenoe are the ones that obviously jump out.
Does anyone know if Niall Sheehy is anything to Mikey Sheehy - looks like the wrong Tralee club though?
Is Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin anything to Michael McCarthy?
Is Cathal Murphy Rathmore anthing to Paul Murphy?
Antrim v Armagh U21 Football Championship
1 Ronan Hanna Naomh Seamus
2 Conor O Rawe Naomh Treasa
3 Jack Hannigan Naomh Eoin
4 Gerard Mc Corley Clann Eireann
5 Ruairi Wilson Naomh Gall
6 Patrick Mc Aleer Naomh Uile
7 Conor Mc Cann Ciceim
8 Ronan Mc Cafferty Naomh Eoin
9 Conor Burke Naomh Gall
10 Conor Mallon Naomh Treasa
11 Dermot Mc Aleese Mhic Asmaint Captain
12 Joe Scullion Con Mac Aoidh
13 Ruairi Scott Naomh Eanna
14 Matthew Fitzpatrick Naomh Eoin
15 Rory Mc Cann Ciceim
16 Tiernan Hughes Ard Eoin
17 James O Connell Naomh Muire
18 Padraig Mc Partland Daibhid
19 Pearse Fitzsimmons Lamh Dhearg
20 Conor Mc Neill Con Mac Aoidh
21 Declan Trainor Con Mac Aoidh
22 Kristen Healy Naomh Eanna
23 Seamus Mc Garry Naomh Seamus
24 Matthew Lapping Lamh Dhearg
25 Mark Cummings Naomh Gall
26 Ciaran Loney Naomh Seosamh
27 James Mc Auley Naomh Eanna
28 Donal Nugent Naomh Eoin
29 Conor Dooey Cuchullian
30 Oisin Hamill Naomh Seosamh
Team News
The Tipperary U21 Football team to play Clare this Wednesday night in Semple Stadium at 7.30pm, in the Eirgrid Munster Under 21 Football Championship semi-final includes 5 of the starting line up that defeated Louth in the Allianz Football League on Sunday last, March 15th, in Drogheda plus John McGrath and Bill Maher from the Senior Hurling panel. The team is managed by Tommy Toomey of Arravale Rovers and he is assisted by the other selectors from the Tipperary Senior Football management team.
Evan Comerford (Kilsheelan Kilcash)
Kevin Fahey (Clonmel Commercials)
Jimmy Feehan (Killenaule)
Colm O'Shaughnessy (Ardfinnan)
Colin O'Riordan Capt. (JK Brackens)
Ross Mulcahy (Moyle Rovers)
Bill Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash)
Liam Casey (Cahir)
Steven O'Brien (Ballina)
Paul Shanahan (Upperchurch Drombane)
Ian Fahey (Clonmel Commercials)
Jason Lonergan (Clonmel Commercials)
Paul Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash)
John McGrath (Loughmore Castleiney)
Josh Keane (Golden Kilfeacle)
Cork team lines out as follows:
1. Micheál Martin (Nemo Rangers)
2. Michael Mc Sweeney (Newcestown)
3. Jamie Davis (Douglas)
4. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)
5. Tomas O'Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
6. Sean White (Clonakilty)
7. Kevin Crowley (Millstreet)
8. Alan O'Donovan (Nemo Rangers)
9. Darragh Murphy (Valley Rovers)
10. Brian O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh) Capt.
11. Kevin Davis (O'Donovan Rossa)
12. Ryan Harkin (Mallow)
13. Cathal Vaughan (Iveleary)
14. Peter Kelleher Kilmichael
15. Sean O'Donoghue (Inniscarra)
Subs:
16. Anthony Casey (Kiskeam)
17. Dylan Quinn (St. Finbarr's)
18. Kevin Cremin (Boherbue)
19. Cian Kiely (Ballincollig)
20. Dan O'Callaghan (Clyda Rovers)
21. Colm Hyde (Naomh Abán)
22. Conor Horgan (Nemo Rangers)
23. Cillian McIntyre (Carrigaline)
24. Michael Hurley (Castlehaven)
Extended panel:
Ross O'Donovan (Nemo Rangers), Niall Motherway (Dungourney),
Michael Desmond (Cill Na Martra), Cian Dorgan (Ballincollig),
Anthony O'Connor (Knocknagree).
Not considered due to injury:
Ian Maguire (St. Finbarr's), Sam Ryan (St. Finbarr's), Kieran Histon (Cobh).
I think Sligo may run Ros close. I'm hearing sligo have a decent u21 team and throw in the Roscommon arrogance and possible complacency and a shock could be on the cards.
Roscommon arrogance!!!
Jasis but that's a new one.
:o
If anyone thinks Roscommon will be complacent against Sligo they have zero sense for the recent history between the teams at minor and U21. Most of this panel were almost ambushed last Spring in Sligo.
Sligo's approach to their U21 team has left much to be desired regardless of the result on Wednesday.
If anything will fell Ros it's the amount of football the young lads have already played this year, between Colleges and both grades of county. You can be sure Murtagh and Smith will be required again on Sunday for the game against Meath - 3 big games in 1 week. That's on top of the heavy duties DCU required of Smith. Serious burnout territory.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 16, 2015, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2015, 04:14:21 PM
Interested to find out, perhaps the Kerry men can shed some light. Are those players on the 'extended Kerry panel' not expected to take any part in the U21 championship? Are they on a fast track to the Kerry senior panel as such??
I would assume that they are just part of the training panel - Conor Keane came on in the league for Kerry this year so you would think he's the player closest to the senior setup.
Looking at the Kerry squad and surname and clubs is like playing a game of spot the relative - the Spillanes of Templenoe are the ones that obviously jump out.
Does anyone know if Niall Sheehy is anything to Mikey Sheehy - looks like the wrong Tralee club though? - No relation.
Is Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin anything to Michael McCarthy? - Younger brother.
Is Cathal Murphy Rathmore anthing to Paul Murphy?- Younger, bigger, potentially better brother!
FYI Dhá Láimh.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 16, 2015, 06:12:32 PM
I didn't say that i expected Sligo to roll over, only that i expect Ros to win... No need for that attitude Seanie.
What attitude? Are you confusing me with someone else?
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2015, 12:17:32 AM
:o
If anyone thinks Roscommon will be complacent against Sligo they have zero sense for the recent history between the teams at minor and U21. Most of this panel were almost ambushed last Spring in Sligo.
Sligo's approach to their U21 team has left much to be desired regardless of the result on Wednesday.
There's also the possibility that Ros players have the wrong studs in which could turn the game too.
Sligo U21 team
1 Eoin Mc Donagh Coolaney/Mullinabreena
2 Dara Long Drumcliffe/Rosses Point
3 Kevin Mc Donnell (Capt) Castleconnor
4 Barry Walsh Tourlestrane
5 Conor Kerins St.John's
6 John Francis Carr Tourlestrane
7 Cathal Surlis Tubbercurry
8 Brian Smith St.Mary's
9 Cian Breheny St.Mary's
10 Kevin Henry Geevagh
11 Cathal Henry Tourlestrane
12 Criostoir Davey Coolaney/Mullinabreena
13 Stephen Curley Castleconnor
14 Seamus Cawley St.Marys
15 Michael Casey Owenmore Gaels
Is the Cork keeper any relation to the leader of FF? I know hes a Nemo man?
Quote from: LilySavage on March 17, 2015, 01:08:12 PM
Is the Cork keeper any relation to the leader of FF? I know hes a Nemo man?
His son.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 17, 2015, 05:26:41 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 16, 2015, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2015, 04:14:21 PM
Interested to find out, perhaps the Kerry men can shed some light. Are those players on the 'extended Kerry panel' not expected to take any part in the U21 championship? Are they on a fast track to the Kerry senior panel as such??
I would assume that they are just part of the training panel - Conor Keane came on in the league for Kerry this year so you would think he's the player closest to the senior setup.
Looking at the Kerry squad and surname and clubs is like playing a game of spot the relative - the Spillanes of Templenoe are the ones that obviously jump out.
Does anyone know if Niall Sheehy is anything to Mikey Sheehy - looks like the wrong Tralee club though? - No relation.
Is Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin anything to Michael McCarthy? - Younger brother.
Is Cathal Murphy Rathmore anthing to Paul Murphy?- Younger, bigger, potentially better brother!
FYI Dhá Láimh.
Niall Sheehy is great grandson of John Joe Sheehy, grandson of Niall Sheehy, grand nephew of Paudie and Sean Og Sheehy, all with distinguished Kerry careers. He was on the U21 panel last year and more than likely would be starting tomorrow only for injury.
One of the big games of the week will be Mayo v Galway next Saturday..Who will be favourites? I think it's in Castlebar.
Mayo will win that one with a bit to spare, saw both teams in the hastings cup and Mayo had a lot more structure to their set up and more marque players than Galway, unless Galway were hiding something it should be Mayo, Rossies should beat Sligo but Sligo scared the daylights out of us the last 2 times we met then at this level and by all accounts I hear will be well organised so those Rossies coming to see a stroll
in the park would do well to bring the blood pressure tablets,well if both Mayo and the Rossies win it sets up a mouth watering game in Kiltoom on the 4th April but a bit of football to be played before that.
If it's Ros v Rhus JP will declare Kiltoom unfit for a Final.
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 17, 2015, 07:25:41 PM
Mayo will win that one with a bit to spare, saw both teams in the hastings cup and Mayo had a lot more structure to their set up and more marque players than Galway, unless Galway were hiding something it should be Mayo, Rossies should beat Sligo but Sligo scared the daylights out of us the last 2 times we met then at this level and by all accounts I hear will be well organised so those Rossies coming to see a stroll
in the park would do well to bring the blood pressure tablets,well if both Mayo and the Rossies win it sets up a mouth watering game in Kiltoom on the 4th April but a bit of football to be played before that.
Galway were missing a fair few players during the Hastings but for all I know Mayo might have been as well so who knows. I would have Mayo as favourites though. They are at home and I think Galway might have a decent side this year but should have a better one next year.
Armagh Team and Squad
1 Blaine Hughes
2 Gregory McCabe
3 Shea Heffron
4 Jamie Cosgrove
5 Fionnán Burns
6 Dónal Ó Néill
7 Daniel Nugent
8 Ciaron O'Hanlon
9 Ethan Rafferty
10 Niall Grimley
11 Callum Comiskey
12 Connaire Mackin
13 Aodan Nugent
14 Cathal McKenna
15 Ryan McShane
Steven McDonnell has named 37 players who are part of this year's Armagh Under 21 football panel.
16 Ryan Gilmore
17 Gareth Mackin
18 Peter Campbell
19 Mick Murphy
20 Jack Grugan
21 Bryan Murphy
22 Aaron McKay
23 Conor Martin
24 Michael Finnegan
25 Conor McGivern
26 Conor Hoey
27 Blaine Malone
28 Stephen Renaghan
29 Conor Boyle
30 Sean Connell
31 James McDade
32 Drew McKenna
33 Jack Rafferty
34 Ryan McCabe
35 Patrick McEntaggart
36 Pauric Keating
37 Joe McElroy
DUBLIN (U21FC v Longford)
1 Loran Molloy (St Anne's)
2 Emile Mullan (Na Fianna)
3 David Byrne (Nh Olaf)
4 Ross McGowan (Kilmacud Crokes)
5 Eric Lowndes (St Peregrine's)
6 Conor Mulally (Cuala)
7 Eoin Murchan (Na Fianna)
8 Stephen Cunningham (St Sylvester's)
9 Shane Carthy (Nh Mearnóg
10 Robbie Gaughan (Ballinteer St John's)
11 Michael Deegan (Donaghmore Ashbourne)
12 Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge St)
13 Killian O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St)
14 Conor McHugh (Na Fianna)
15 Colm Basquel (Ballyboden St Enda's)
Bookies odds on tomorrow's games
19:30 1/7 Dublin U21 v Longford U21 5/1
Draw 12/1
19:30 8/11 Kildare U21 v Meath U21 11/8
Draw 7/1
19:30 1/10 Roscommon U21 v Sligo U21 11/2
Draw 14/1
19:30 evens Cork U21 v Kerry U21 evens
Draw 7/1
19:30 2/9 Tipperary U21 v Clare U21 7/2
Draw 10/1
20:00 1/10 Tyrone U21 v Fermanagh U21 11/2
Draw 14/1
20:00 4/5 Donegal U21 v Cavan U21 5/4
Draw 13/2
20:00 5/6 Monaghan U21 v Derry U21 6/5
Draw 13/2
20:00 1/12 Armagh U21 v Antrim U21 6/1
Draw 16/1
Overall odds
Dublin 7/4
Roscommon 3/1
Kerry 9/1
Tyrone 10/1
Mayo 10/1
Cork 11/1
Tipperary 16/1
Cavan 16/1
Armagh 22/1
Kildare 22/1
Meath 28/1
Derry 33/1
Donegal 33/1
Longford 40/1
Monaghan 50/1
Sligo 80/1
Clare 100/1
Antrim 200/1
Fermanagh 250/1
Obviously the strength of the provinces/path to the final is a key factor here. Also the Ulster teams odds aren't helped by the fact that they are at the quarter final stages, whereas all the other provinces are at the semi-final stages.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 17, 2015, 08:31:26 PM
Overall odds
Dublin 7/4
Roscommon 3/1
Kerry 9/1
Tyrone 10/1
Mayo 10/1
Cork 11/1
Tipperary 16/1
Cavan 16/1
Armagh 22/1
Kildare 22/1
Meath 28/1
Derry 33/1
Donegal 33/1
Longford 40/1
Monaghan 50/1
Sligo 80/1
Clare 100/1
Antrim 200/1
Fermanagh 250/1
Obviously the strength of the provinces/path to the final is a key factor here. Also the Ulster teams odds aren't helped by the fact that they are at the quarter final stages, whereas all the other provinces are at the semi-final stages.
Galway?
Galway 16/1
not sure what happened
I was heading to the bookies to back galway at better than 250 to1, so back to basics
Sligo have a solid looking side on paper. However the absence of the team from the Hastings Cup and the fact that Roscommon won the tournament would suggest Roscommon have the better preparation and would know their strongest team. Personally I would have McDonnell out the field in midfield or centre half back where Roscommon are very strong physically with Harney, Compton, Killoran and move Breheny into the forwards. I would assume John Kelly and Ray Connolly (starters last year) are injured as they should be starting.
Quote from: Mano on March 18, 2015, 02:03:07 PM
Sligo have a solid looking side on paper. However the absence of the team from the Hastings Cup and the fact that Roscommon won the tournament would suggest Roscommon have the better preparation and would know their strongest team. Personally I would have McDonnell out the field in midfield or centre half back where Roscommon are very strong physically with Harney, Compton, Killoran and move Breheny into the forwards. I would assume John Kelly and Ray Connolly (starters last year) are injured as they should be starting.
I know John Kelly is reported to be injured alright and I think I heard Raymond Connolly is also. I agree about McDonnell. doing well at FB for seniors but at this level especially he is wasted back there. I'd leave Breheny in midfield, he will do fine there I think. I wouldn't have thought this way 2 weeks ago but what I've seen has changed my view.
I go along with the first line about the preparation too and it's a shame because we've a decent enough team on paper.
Meath Team
1. Jack Hannigan Donaghmore Ashbourne
2. Michael Flood St. Brigid's
3. Gavin Mc Gowan Ratoath
4. Liam Ferguson Gaeil Colmcille
5. Shane Dowling St. Patrick's
6. Brian Power Ratoath
7. Shane McEntee (C) St. Peters Dunboyne
8. Adam Flanagan Clonard
9. Harry Rooney Skryne
10. Padraic Harnan Moynalvey
11. Rúairí Ó Caoilinn Navan O Mahony's
12. Conor Rooney Ratoath
13. Joseph Wallace Ratoath
14. Paddy Kennelly Dunderry
15. Eamon Wallace Ratoath
Kildare Team
Colin Heeney Celbridge
Brian Byrne Naas
Darren Maguire Maynooth
Paul Mescal Maynooth
Ryan Houilhan Moorefield
Pascal Connell Athy
David Hyland Athy
Ryan Moore Moorefield
David Fitzpatrick Raheens
Chris Fenner St Laurances
Mark Sherry Two Mile House
Niall Kelly Athy
Neil Flynn Maynooth
Declan Flatherty St Kevins
Cein McMonagle Clogherinkoe
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 18, 2015, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: Mano on March 18, 2015, 02:03:07 PM
Sligo have a solid looking side on paper. However the absence of the team from the Hastings Cup and the fact that Roscommon won the tournament would suggest Roscommon have the better preparation and would know their strongest team. Personally I would have McDonnell out the field in midfield or centre half back where Roscommon are very strong physically with Harney, Compton, Killoran and move Breheny into the forwards. I would assume John Kelly and Ray Connolly (starters last year) are injured as they should be starting.
I know John Kelly is reported to be injured alright and I think I heard Raymond Connolly is also. I agree about McDonnell. doing well at FB for seniors but at this level especially he is wasted back there. I'd leave Breheny in midfield, he will do fine there I think. I wouldn't have thought this way 2 weeks ago but what I've seen has changed my view.
I go along with the first line about the preparation too and it's a shame because we've a decent enough team on paper.
Ray Connolly was by far the best player in last yrs club championship for me, that is gut wrenching that he is injured, this man is ready for the seniors too, i didn't know he was still u21, huge loss, are ye sure hes injured?
Sligo have 9 of last yrs starting 15 and with those 2 missing that would mean 11 were available, you'd think with that amount available the county board would of took it more seriously this yr, we shoot ourselves in the foot, cannot believe brady isn't starting from my club, our best player last yr..
I'm not 100% sure Connolly is injured but I thought I heard he was. I was asking around about him when I didn't see him feature for the seniors and I think I heard he was out for a while.
I knew you'd be surprised about Brady and I am too. Hopefully he can make an impact when introduced.
Nine for tonight, no insult intended to any team only concern is that Rossies win
Dublin, Kildare,Kerry,Tipp,Tyrone, Armagh,Donegal, Derry,The Rossies.
Will do well to get 5 out of nine.
Predictions
Dublin
Kildare
Roscommon
Kerry
Tipperary
Tyrone
Donegal
Derry
Armagh
Dublin, Roscommon, Tipperary, Tyrone, and Armagh are all strong favourites.
Not a whole lot to go on for Kildare, Kerry, Donegal, and Derry.
Armagh TV are broadcasting the Armagh v Antrim game live online for £2 if anyone's interested.
Monaghan will be favorites against Derry anyway but we have a better side than previous years so hopefully we'll cause the upset.
Seems as though the Roscommon starting line up won't be revealed until close to throw in time.
Is this the Meath minor age group that got to the All Ireland final? Outsiders v Kildare
Good luck to young Rossies.. the real business starts tonight.
I'm a bit bemused by everyone tipping Donegal to beat Cavan. Quite a few from last years team still present and I would say a better forward line than last year. Donegal have no mcbrearty either anymore. I predict Cavan to win by a goal. Of course it could go the other way just find it strange everyone thinks Donegal
Seems like Roscommon are running away with it, 2-2 up already!
All over Roscommon 2-4 to no score after 10 minutes. Pathetic. Questions need to be answered by county board/manager about preparation or lack of preparation of this team.
Looks likes Rossies have the right stud's in. 3-4 to 0-1!
I expected us to win fairly comfortably but this is just ridiculous!
Enda Smith with a hat-trick already
Roscommon 5-09 Sligo 0-04 HT. Enda with 11 points by my count.
Monaghan team:
1 D Kirk
2 R Wylie
3 M Murnaghan
4 K Loughran
5 D Ward
6 B Hanratty
7 F Malone
8 C Lavelle
9 B Greenan
10 R McAnespie
11 D Freeman
12 P Keenan
13 C McCarthy
14 F McGeough
15 F McMahon
Dowd will surely give kilcline an gately a shot now smith anmurtagh need resting
Quote from: mjg on March 18, 2015, 08:14:20 PM
Does will surely give kilcline an barely a shot now smith anmurtagh need resting
All three county seniors starting tonight are still on to start the second half.
Tyrone 8 points to 2 up against Fermanagh; 26mins gone.
Tipp beat Clare handily 0-15 to 0-7. Tipp were favourites but I thought Clare would give it a better shake than that.
Cork beat Kerry 1-12 to 1-9 so it's a Tipp Cork final.
Ros won 6-18 to 0-12
Cant wait for final v dublin. We are due to turn them over and we have a very shrewd manager in mark dowd and some serious sharp shooters
Armagh vs Antrim score? Tried to get armaghtv, but no luck. So, the Rossies played Sligo in hurling, then?
11-4 to Tye Rone
10 mins second half
Bradley causing havoc
Its on teamtalkmag
11-5
Ooops, just noticed the Ulster U-21 thread. Are we out of the All-Ireland already?
Thanks, drici. I'll settle for the 80 degree temps here and try and get armaghtv.
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 18, 2015, 08:55:04 PM
Cant wait for final v dublin. We are due to turn them over and we have a very shrewd manager in mark dowd and some serious sharp shooters
Did you log into the wrong account Larryin.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 18, 2015, 08:50:39 PM
Ros won 6-18 to 0-12
God between us and all harm.
Looks like Mayo and Galway will be trying to lose other semi.
Not sure who d infamous larryin is but you certainly have a soft spot. The reality is this roscommon u21/senior is the best we have produced in a generation. Which is why we are streets ahead of mayo/galway in u21 and will win connaught with a bit to spare.no other team bar dublin are on this level. Its not scientific or a coincidence ourselves and dubs have a top top underage structure which we in roscommon worked damned hard since 2005.the fruits we are bearing but now we have depth,coaching model,financial structure and a very loyal fan base.other counties could do this if they followed roscommons blueprint from 2005. Which is just after we went bust. Ee should be an example for teams around the country
Galway Mayo semi on Saturday could go either way but neither of them will beat Ros.
That's the reality this year.
This is an exceptional Roscommon team.
I thought at the outset of the year they would win the All Ireland and haven't changed my mind since.
Just as a matter of interest - the goalie that was on the Sigerson winning team in DCU this year - is he the u21 goalie for Ros this year?
Quote from: galwayman on March 18, 2015, 09:36:51 PM
Galway Mayo semi on Saturday could go either way but neither of them will beat Ros.
That's the reality this year.
This is an exceptional Roscommon team.
I thought at the outset of the year they would win the All Ireland and haven't changed my mind since.
Just as a matter of interest - the goalie that was on the Sigerson winning team in DCU this year - is he the u21 goalie for Ros this year?
Overage since 2013, Lowe is doing a Masters in DCU now. He was the keeper in 2013 against ye in the Connacht final at the Hyde.
Quote from: galwayman on March 18, 2015, 09:36:51 PM
Galway Mayo semi on Saturday could go either way but neither of them will beat Ros.
That's the reality this year.
This is an exceptional Roscommon team.
I thought at the outset of the year they would win the All Ireland and haven't changed my mind since.
Just as a matter of interest - the goalie that was on the Sigerson winning team in DCU this year - is he the u21 goalie for Ros this year?
no shane mannion st brigids
That's crazy talk imo , how can you even know for sure how good roscommon are ,I'm not saying it won't happen but how anyone can know that stuff for definite about an underage team .
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 18, 2015, 09:18:01 PM
Not sure who d infamous larryin is but you certainly have a soft spot. The reality is this roscommon u21/senior is the best we have produced in a generation. Which is why we are streets ahead of mayo/galway in u21 and will win connaught with a bit to spare.no other team bar dublin are on this level. Its not scientific or a coincidence ourselves and dubs have a top top underage structure which we in roscommon worked damned hard since 2005.the fruits we are bearing but now we have depth,coaching model,financial structure and a very loyal fan base.other counties could do this if they followed roscommons blueprint from 2005. Which is just after we went bust. Ee should be an example for teams around the country
Thirteen posts an already a pain in the hole
gibbs, you forgot to mention the bus!!...To be honest, i don't know how you can say we are better than Mayo or Galway at U-21 when that fact still has to be proven this year.
Bit of straight talkin from Gibbs and his confidence seems to be well placed judging on that result anyway.
Mayo, in contrast, huffed and puffed against Leitrim and were anything but convincing. Maybe that game will act as a sighter for Saturday's match but no more than hopeful of a result v Galway.
I heard that Dublin beat Longford ,2-15 to 3-7 and Kildare beat Meath.
Modest enough by the Dubs. Roscommon's to lose.
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
Bit of straight talkin from Gibbs and his confidence seems to be well placed judging on that result anyway.
Mayo, in contrast, huffed and puffed against Leitrim and were anything but convincing. Maybe that game will act as a sighter for Saturday's match but no more than hopeful of a result v Galway.
Yea, I'm hoping more than expecting v Galway. I don't know if this management is getting the best out of the players, or the players aren't good enough.
From what i saw in the hastings mayo would be ahead off galway.Surprised kerry got beat with all those all irelands on the sideline
I must say it is a beautiful bus.there is a bit of class about it.im told its used 3 times per week on average whether that is senior,underage,ladies or club. Mayo are poor u21.i think galway wil beat them but as i said earlier we are a good bit ahead.bookies rarely wrong and we are 2nd favs after dubs. Mark dowd is being groomed for senior. I dont think anyone would begrudge us winning as we have been knocking and very consistent over last 3 years at u21. Roscommon being roscommon there is always the fear of winning nothing over nxt couple of years but we will have no excuses as everything is in place for this team u21/seniorto succeed. I had doubts about johnny evans but i dont mind saying i was wrong. Massive game on sunday v meath.win that and promotion is in our hands
Longford gave a good account of themselves versus the Dubs.
Final score shows Dubs won by 5 (2-15 to 3-07) but it was only in the last 5 minutes that they pulled away.
Had we been able to win even 25% of our own kickouts the result may have been different :-\
Good game played in a good spirit.
I think Diarmuid Murtagh scored about 2-5 tonight before going off. Enda Smith got about 3-1 before he went off. ..Heard that Thomas Corcoran is about 5 weeks away from fitness.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 18, 2015, 10:11:35 PM
I think Diarmuid Murtagh scored about 2-5 tonight before going off. Enda Smith got about 3-1 before he went off. ..Heard that Thomas Corcoran is about 5 weeks away from fitness.
Might need to get to an AI final if we don't want that massacre in Tullamore to be Thomas' last U21 game.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
Bit of straight talkin from Gibbs and his confidence seems to be well placed judging on that result anyway.
Mayo, in contrast, huffed and puffed against Leitrim and were anything but convincing. Maybe that game will act as a sighter for Saturday's match but no more than hopeful of a result v Galway.
Yea, I'm hoping more than expecting v Galway. I don't know if this management is getting the best out of the players, or the players aren't good enough.
We need a few changes from Leitrim game. a couple of lads made a bit of a name for themselves as minors but it was incidental stuff rather than real quality. But the consensus around me the last night was good players, poorly coached. Harsh, and maybe the problem is not just U21 management, but it s frustrating to see bad habits that have been endemic and hugely costly to the county down the years still cropping up in players of this ability and age. Some hard questions needs to be asked about what is being done in these so called development squads and Ted Webb teams.
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
Bit of straight talkin from Gibbs and his confidence seems to be well placed judging on that result anyway.
Mayo, in contrast, huffed and puffed against Leitrim and were anything but convincing. Maybe that game will act as a sighter for Saturday's match but no more than hopeful of a result v Galway.
Yea, I'm hoping more than expecting v Galway. I don't know if this management is getting the best out of the players, or the players aren't good enough.
We need a few changes from Leitrim game. a couple of lads made a bit of a name for themselves as minors but it was incidental stuff rather than real quality. But the consensus around me the last night was good players, poorly coached. Harsh, and maybe the problem is not just U21 management, but it s frustrating to see bad habits that have been endemic and hugely costly to the county down the years still cropping up in players of this ability and age. Some hard questions needs to be asked about what is being done in these so called development squads and Ted Webb teams.
Don't know how ye kept the same management after last season. Ted Webb teams have been doing their jobs recently, sure ye won it in 2013. Don't ye have an academy for 17-23 year olds or something? Doesn't sound like cosching structures are the problem.
As a fan of corcoran it would be fitting for him to maybe leave on a high or hopefully stay and get into senior set up. Injury depending as its pretty regular for the lad
You make sence majority of time syf
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
Bit of straight talkin from Gibbs and his confidence seems to be well placed judging on that result anyway.
Mayo, in contrast, huffed and puffed against Leitrim and were anything but convincing. Maybe that game will act as a sighter for Saturday's match but no more than hopeful of a result v Galway.
Yea, I'm hoping more than expecting v Galway. I don't know if this management is getting the best out of the players, or the players aren't good enough.
We need a few changes from Leitrim game. a couple of lads made a bit of a name for themselves as minors but it was incidental stuff rather than real quality. But the consensus around me the last night was good players, poorly coached. Harsh, and maybe the problem is not just U21 management, but it s frustrating to see bad habits that have been endemic and hugely costly to the county down the years still cropping up in players of this ability and age. Some hard questions needs to be asked about what is being done in these so called development squads and Ted Webb teams.
Don't know how ye kept the same management after last season. Ted Webb teams have been doing their jobs recently, sure ye won it in 2013. Don't ye have an academy for 17-23 year olds or something? Doesn't sound like cosching structures are the problem.
Structures/academies are there yeah but what is the product?
I d know 2 of that U21 teams since they were kids. 2 very different but very good players. I was a bit disappointed where they were the last night. I don t think they have developed into the players they could have. Just sayin. Their weaknesses still there and they haven t got to a level they ought to have. One in particular could kick the ball better at 14/15 than he can now.
The captain Adam Gallagher seems to be going backwards at a rate of knots. A bag of nails. Shot selection/execution off. Can t kick a free anymore!
Felt sorry for him because he made some great runs the last night which were not seen/ignored (after all these years I dunno which is worse). The awful decision making in general is a malaise in all our teams.
The quality of Sligo may be questioned but the quality of Roscommons play and more importantly the quality of our score taking was top drawer, they are really a big physical team of top class footballers playing to the highest possible standard, a totally flawless performance from start to finish. Stiffer tests lie ahead for sure and a team can get caught on any given day ( our u21 in the 2013 Connacht final against Galway being the perfect example of the better team losing)and a little luck may be needed at some stage but all things being equal this Rossie team can go all the way, one step at a time but I think we can beat Mayo or Galway and anything ulster has to offer, wont call the last one just yet but if we are there bring on the super dubs.
Kevin mcstay was the man for mayo moysider and probably win d elusive all irealand. When mayo county board turned their noses on one of the best tactical,strategic man managers who won a club all ireland for brigids which no other manager would do,well it defies belief.croynism in mayo stinks. Am i right in saying vice county chairmans brother got the gig with his side kick?ive always wanted mayo to win all ireland but that boat has sailed. Thankfully i can concentrate fully on the rossies making a march
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
Bit of straight talkin from Gibbs and his confidence seems to be well placed judging on that result anyway.
Mayo, in contrast, huffed and puffed against Leitrim and were anything but convincing. Maybe that game will act as a sighter for Saturday's match but no more than hopeful of a result v Galway.
Yea, I'm hoping more than expecting v Galway. I don't know if this management is getting the best out of the players, or the players aren't good enough.
We need a few changes from Leitrim game. a couple of lads made a bit of a name for themselves as minors but it was incidental stuff rather than real quality. But the consensus around me the last night was good players, poorly coached. Harsh, and maybe the problem is not just U21 management, but it s frustrating to see bad habits that have been endemic and hugely costly to the county down the years still cropping up in players of this ability and age. Some hard questions needs to be asked about what is being done in these so called development squads and Ted Webb teams.
Don't know how ye kept the same management after last season. Ted Webb teams have been doing their jobs recently, sure ye won it in 2013. Don't ye have an academy for 17-23 year olds or something? Doesn't sound like cosching structures are the problem.
Structures/academies are there yeah but what is the product?
I d know 2 of that U21 teams since they were kids. 2 very different but very good players. I was a bit disappointed where they were the last night. I don t think they have developed into the players they could have. Just sayin. Their weaknesses still there and they haven t got to a level they ought to have. One in particular could kick the ball better at 14/15 than he can now.
The captain Adam Gallagher seems to be going backwards at a rate of not. A bag of nails. Shot selection off. Can t kick a free anymore!
Felt sorry for him because he made some great runs the last night which were not seen/ignored (after all these years I dunno which is worse). The awful decision making in general is a malaise in all our teams.
All the last four Conan ht champions have made the AI final; we lost to Dublin, the eventual champions, in 2010 too. There's a real concentration of good teams in Connacht at U21 in recent years. Apart from last year Mayo have been competitive pretty much through it all. Again I was surprised the management team survived but aside from that Mayo have one of the best underage programs in the country - two minor AI finals, one win and one loss, AISF last year, a great U21 run a decade ago (which was probably the impotedous for both Galway and us getting our acts together so) and one that produced the core of a senior team that almost won the AI.
Looking at the cycles success goes through Mayo are pretty much where they should be overall. Horan doesn't seem to have left the young players coming through during his reign in a great place alright and it might be contributing to C&H's 'struggles' so far. We have the benefit of operating at lower levels so lads like the Smiths and Murtaghs are well used to senior football at ages when Mayo counterparts mightn't get a minute's game-time.
Tbh with you Syferus , we don't have any smiths or murtaghs comin through but on the other hand these roscommon kids have yet to play big league and as was pointed out to me during the weekend of analysis at home,this is where they should be judged .
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 18, 2015, 10:56:43 PM
Kevin mcstay was the man for mayo moysider and probably win d elusive all irealand. When mayo county board turned their noses on one of the best tactical,strategic man managers who won a club all ireland for brigids which no other manager would do,well it defies belief.croynism in mayo stinks. Am i right in saying vice county chairmans brother got the gig with his side kick?ive always wanted mayo to win all ireland but that boat has sailed. Thankfully i can concentrate fully on the rossies making a march
Any county that puts in good work deserves all the rewards that come their way.
Our problems in Mayo are with us I m afraid. Any relative success we ve had has been in spite of ourselves. Ah, well.
Syf, just enjoy days like last Sunday and tonight and don't be worrying yer little head in about you Rhus mates ;D
We fairly blew Sligo away tonight. You'd feel sorry for the poor devils but they plugged away anyway fair play to them.
Of course tonight will count for nothing if we don't win the Final.
No doubt Mark will be drilling that message home in a bit way.
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2015, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
Bit of straight talkin from Gibbs and his confidence seems to be well placed judging on that result anyway.
Mayo, in contrast, huffed and puffed against Leitrim and were anything but convincing. Maybe that game will act as a sighter for Saturday's match but no more than hopeful of a result v Galway.
Yea, I'm hoping more than expecting v Galway. I don't know if this management is getting the best out of the players, or the players aren't good enough.
We need a few changes from Leitrim game. a couple of lads made a bit of a name for themselves as minors but it was incidental stuff rather than real quality. But the consensus around me the last night was good players, poorly coached. Harsh, and maybe the problem is not just U21 management, but it s frustrating to see bad habits that have been endemic and hugely costly to the county down the years still cropping up in players of this ability and age. Some hard questions needs to be asked about what is being done in these so called development squads and Ted Webb teams.
Don't know how ye kept the same management after last season. Ted Webb teams have been doing their jobs recently, sure ye won it in 2013. Don't ye have an academy for 17-23 year olds or something? Doesn't sound like cosching structures are the problem.
Structures/academies are there yeah but what is the product?
I d know 2 of that U21 teams since they were kids. 2 very different but very good players. I was a bit disappointed where they were the last night. I don t think they have developed into the players they could have. Just sayin. Their weaknesses still there and they haven t got to a level they ought to have. One in particular could kick the ball better at 14/15 than he can now.
The captain Adam Gallagher seems to be going backwards at a rate of not. A bag of nails. Shot selection off. Can t kick a free anymore!
Felt sorry for him because he made some great runs the last night which were not seen/ignored (after all these years I dunno which is worse). The awful decision making in general is a malaise in all our teams.
All the last four Conan ht champions have made the AI final; we lost to Dublin, the eventual champions, in 2010 too. There's a real concentration of good teams in Connacht at U21 in recent years. Apart from last year Mayo have been competitive pretty much through it all. Again I was surprised the management team survived but aside from that Mayo have one of the best underage programs in the country - two minor AI finals, one win and one loss, AISF last year, a great U21 run a decade ago (which was probably the impotedous for both Galway and us getting our acts together so) and one that produced the core of a senior team that almost won the AI.
Looking at the cycles success goes through Mayo are pretty much where they should be overall. Horan doesn't seem to have left the young players coming through during his reign in a great place alright and it might be contributing to C&H's 'struggles' so far. We have the benefit of operating at lower levels so lads like the Smiths and Murtaghs are well used to senior football at ages when Mayo counterparts mightn't get a minute's game-time.
Jaysus Sy. you re like a dog with a bone!! Trust me on this one. Structures in Mayo are not productive enough and in some cases are being destructive. The county is too big and diverse to be cherrypicking so young and I wouldn t mind we re not developing players we do groom to justify it. We used be better when we had only one Ted Webb team.
Like who decides what kids go to development squads? I aware of a club I know the U16 manager nominated some players to go forth to a dev. squad. Other kids - with a lot od justification - said ' why them and not us, we re just as good, just because they're lickarses'.
The other kids were right. Some sent up had no business being sent up. Other kids then just walked away and the club could not field a team for championship. We re talking about a senior club that had 2 teams playing at U14. That silly buggers got rid of 10 footballers in one swoop.
Too easy against a Sligo side that more or less gave up after our 2nd goal on 7mins, i expected much better from them after the test they gave us last year. So we go into Connacht final without a competitive game under our belts since January while Mayo or Galway will be fine tuned from their meeting this Saturday not ideal but we'll have to get on with it.
Not sure why Dowd didn't take Harney,Murtagh,Smith off at half time? anyway well done to the lads and management on clinical performance tonight.
P.S Sean the Mayo man must be busy posting from his numerous usernames tonight because "You are ignoring this user" shows up for every 2nd post on this thread tonight :D
That me ross4life :( I thought we were friends :'(
Being from louth is a better laugh gaa :D
The louth football team that is. Louth as a county isnt too bad.just to clarify
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 18, 2015, 09:18:01 PM
Not sure who d infamous larryin is but you certainly have a soft spot. The reality is this roscommon u21/senior is the best we have produced in a generation. Which is why we are streets ahead of mayo/galway in u21 and will win connaught with a bit to spare.no other team bar dublin are on this level. Its not scientific or a coincidence ourselves and dubs have a top top underage structure which we in roscommon worked damned hard since 2005.the fruits we are bearing but now we have depth,coaching model,financial structure and a very loyal fan base.other counties could do this if they followed roscommons blueprint from 2005. Which is just after we went bust. Ee should be an example for teams around the country
No genuine Roscommon supporter would heap pressure on young lads like that. You are clearly a wind up merchant.. We did to Mayo in the first half last year what we did to Sligo this year and then got hammered by Dublin in the final. Kerry beat us in a recent challenge and were our measure in the HC and they got knocked out by Cork. Mayo have an All-Ireland winning minor team to draw on and some lads who are playing Div 1 senior. Galway have seen off talented Ros U21 teams over the last 5 years. Unfortunately for Sligo they were clearly not prepared and should consider entering Hastings Cup next year.
Pressure smeshure.no wind up from me. Just watch our u21 win the all ireland,seniors to b promoted to div 1,connaught senior and a bit of luck maybe last 4.a genuine statement
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 19, 2015, 12:42:12 AM
Pressure smeshure.no wind up from me. Just watch our u21 win the all ireland,seniors to b promoted to div 1,connaught senior and a bit of luck maybe last 4.a genuine statement
We may and I hope we do all that but a genuine Roscommon supporter would leave the bragging until it was achieved on the field of play. And tell us were you in Kiltoom yesterday with your Yiddishisms? Was that you dismissively shouting Sligo Schligo before a ball was even thrown in.
How kildare didnt look at mcstay defies logic.kildare gaa reminds me of tan man in charge of us. Kildare reap what they sew and mayo going that way too. Mcstay the master.whichever team gets him get to bookies and back them.thats how good he is.as syf said look at the work mchale is doing at cavan.he is making hyland look good!
Confident predictions is not bragging. I wasnt at kiltoom but i will be at the hyde shouting meath smheath :)
Quote from: moysider on March 18, 2015, 11:56:15 PM
That me ross4life :( I thought we were friends :'(
Mo chara i only add trolls to my ignore list & especially those pretending to be a rossie like gibbs32.
Do you want my birth cert ross4life. Do you think any of my predictions is off the wall for this year??i stuck a few bob on promotion and connaught and that is looking a cracking bet. If i can russle up more dough i will back the u21 for title.font be afraid of optimism. It should b seized
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 19, 2015, 01:16:39 AM
Do you want my birth cert ross4life. Do you think any of my predictions is off the wall for this year??i stuck a few bob on promotion and connaught and that is looking a cracking bet. If i can russle up more dough i will back the u21 for title.font be afraid of optimism. It should b seized
Ok. I hope Roscommon win U21, get promoted, and make AISF at senior level if it makes you money...
If you're looking at developing young talent then Roscommon are doing the best job in Connacht by far. Up to minor level its usually more natural ability that gets you as far as you go. In that grade there's not much between Mayo Galway and Roscommon over the last 10 years.
Look at u21 though and we see that Roscommon tend to lose far fewer lads than Mayo for instance. It's amazing that for one reason or another we have none of our deadly accurate 2013 minor forwards still involved with the county setup.
Galway have won two AI at u21 but they then seem to struggle to integrate them into the senior setup. The Rossies look to be ticking that box too.
This is all crystal ball stuff though as regards Roscommon, Ye keep making reference to a model that has yet to produce anything remotely successful at senior level. Now it may well come to fruit and in fairness it's looking increasingly likely but I repeat this model has not produced any final results as of yet.
Some people still reckon come the White Heat of senior championship these gausuns will be still trailing behind Higgins,Boyle and co.
We are working hard with limited resources.
We now have a bigger number of talented young lads than before.
Where will that take us? Time will tell but let's walk before we start trying to run.
Our u21s are in a Connacht Final, our Seniors are a bit up and down in D2.
Hopefully a better end of season report but let's wait and see.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 08:48:19 PM
Tipp beat Clare handily 0-15 to 0-7. Tipp were favourites but I thought Clare would give it a better shake than that.
Cork beat Kerry 1-12 to 1-9 so it's a Tipp Cork final.
Darragh O Sé not setting the world alight. Neither did Fitzmaurice before him though I suppose.
I wish Roscommon well. Ye are doing the work and your underage teams are run excellently, pursuing excellence and that's a credit to ye. There seems to be a savage intensity to what is being done and that is needed to move up the number of levels ye have in the last decade or so. Good luck in the Connacht final and if ye win that I hope ye win the whole thing.
In Sligo we should be copying your underage template but progressing Sligo football is not high on the agenda for most of the people on the county board. I fell sorry for our players. I know they're not bad players and they don't deserve to be humiliated like this but you simply can't go into a game against one of the top teams in the country (if not the top team) with no preparation. Still - the suits in Croke Park think our lads are doing a great job and keeping them happy is the only game in town unfortunately.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 09:36:14 AM
This is all crystal ball stuff though as regards Roscommon, Ye keep making reference to a model that has yet to produce anything remotely successful at senior level. Now it may well come to fruit and in fairness it's looking increasingly likely but I repeat this model has not produced any final results as of yet.
Some people still reckon come the White Heat of senior championship these gausuns will be still trailing behind Higgins,Boyle and co.
Like roscommon we put aa a plan in place 10 years ago or so for football and yes we're not exactly winning all Irelands or anything but we are lightyears away from where we were. This year we are in our 7th muster under 21 final in 9 years, had massive success at minor and our seniors are in the best position we've been in in an awfully long time. Definitely merit to getting your house in order and having a plan.
Decent win for us last night, we look strong defensively and around the middle but are lacking a bit up front
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 19, 2015, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 08:48:19 PM
Tipp beat Clare handily 0-15 to 0-7. Tipp were favourites but I thought Clare would give it a better shake than that.
Cork beat Kerry 1-12 to 1-9 so it's a Tipp Cork final.
Darragh O Sé not setting the world alight. Neither did Fitzmaurice before him though I suppose.
Kerry just aren't that bothered about the u-21 grade.
Neither are we.
Actually we're not that bothered about any grade lately.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 19, 2015, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 19, 2015, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 08:48:19 PM
Tipp beat Clare handily 0-15 to 0-7. Tipp were favourites but I thought Clare would give it a better shake than that.
Cork beat Kerry 1-12 to 1-9 so it's a Tipp Cork final.
Darragh O Sé not setting the world alight. Neither did Fitzmaurice before him though I suppose.
Kerry just aren't that bothered about the u-21 grade.
Neither are we.
Actually we're not that bothered about any grade lately.
Amen brother. Sure it's a lovely day, no point getting too worked up about it.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 19, 2015, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 08:48:19 PM
Tipp beat Clare handily 0-15 to 0-7. Tipp were favourites but I thought Clare would give it a better shake than that.
Cork beat Kerry 1-12 to 1-9 so it's a Tipp Cork final.
Darragh O Sé not setting the world alight. Neither did Fitzmaurice before him though I suppose.
He's stepped down officially now. That was his 3rd year, and 3 defeats by Cork.
Would. I be right in saying Kerry have only two Munster titles this century?
Yep 2002 and 2008. They won the All Ireland in 2008.
Yearrah lookit, it's only doul U21s.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 19, 2015, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 19, 2015, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 08:48:19 PM
Tipp beat Clare handily 0-15 to 0-7. Tipp were favourites but I thought Clare would give it a better shake than that.
Darragh O Sé not setting the world alight. Neither did Fitzmaurice before him though I suppose.
Cork beat Kerry 1-12 to 1-9 so it's a Tipp Cork final.
Kerry just aren't that bothered about the u-21 grade.
Neither are we.
Actually we're not that bothered about any grade lately.
not boddered
Tipperary football is another great example of 10 years of planning. They beat the rossies at minor in 2011 snd were impressive.i tipped them to get promoted but i didnt ecpect fermanagh to be there. It can work as it is presently in tossie,dub and tipp land
I must spell check from now on :(
Surprised O'Se's reign fizzled out without any real impact. This year in particular he seemed to have geared up for an AI run.
U21 failure not always an indication of senior results. An u21 team with Gooch, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon, Kieran Donaghy, Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan and a few other Kerry seniors lost to Waterford u21s. A fair few of those have gone on to win 4 or 5 All-Ireland medals.
I tipped kerry to beat cork on the back of the prep they had put in this year, when I heard they were lining out with 6 of last years minor team I was puzzled, too many young lads in what has become a very competitive physical grade.
To all those ye have won nothing yet at senior level well this Rossie team is going to be the best we have seen since the seventies, I have no doth about that, I have seen their 4 league games so far and we are changing as a team, playing better football and learning from playing at a higher level, we are one level away from div 1 and maybe we can make it this year but our midfield and defence needs tweaking and in doing that their may be reversals, our u21 team is the best we have ever had and I saw both our all-ireland u21 teams win their titles, dare to dream boys dare to dream.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 19, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
U21 failure not always an indication of senior results. An u21 team with Gooch, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon, Kieran Donaghy, Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan and a few other Kerry seniors lost to Waterford u21s. A fair few of those have gone on to win 4 or 5 All-Ireland medals.
Ssssshhhhh, the Rossies will absolutely throw in the towel if thats the case.
In fairness though an excellent under 21 team does a lot of the time bring you success at senior level.
Going back to even 83 with Mayo brought a lot lads to where we got to in 89, we had a couple of good under 21 sides in the early nineties too , which in turn gave us good senior period 96-99 and this present team have a fair few from 2006 under 21 team .
Kerry won 21 titles in 95/96 and 98. Etc etc etc
Only team I think it has failed a biteen as a model is Galway. 02/05/11/13 champions and not done bugger all at senior level since 01 to present day.
Blanketattack you cannot compare Kerry football or what they do to any other county, they are a law unto themselves, they always have a team capable of winning al ire senior, every year without fail, they have never missed an all ire quarter final since the back door started, you cannot use them as a template for any other county because they are just the nuts and no county can or will ever replicate that, we can all aspire to it but no one will ever achieve it, so saying look at Kerry this or Kerry that is a load of bull, the rest of us have to try and build as best we can, Tyrone 3 all ire senior out of a good under structure, Dubs 2, Donegal got most of their current team from 2 good u21 teams even though they did not win an all ire and look at tipps success from a county that has rarely been competitive in football and I could list many more follow on success from good under age teams.
Tyrone are the best example
two U21 winning teams, 2000 and 2001 were the launchpad for their success at senior in the mid 2000s
Big win for the Rossies
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/roscommon-quick-to-dismiss-sligo-and-claim-final-spot-1.2144627
Roscommon quick to dismiss Sligo and claim final spot
Roscommon 6-18 Sligo 0-12
Enda Smith bagged a first-half hat-trick as Roscommon went on a scoring rampage in Kiltoom. The reigning Connacht champions led by 5-9 to 0-4 at the break as Diarmuid Murtagh and Paul Kenny (from a penalty) also raised green flags for an impressive home side.
Sligo never gained any traction in the contest and all they had to show for their efforts were a brace of frees from Cathal Henry, a free from Michael Casey and a point from play in the 21st minute by Kevin Henry.
Things didn't improve for the Yeats County in the second half as Diarmuid Murtagh cracked home Roscommon's sixth goal six minutes into the new half. That score signalled a raft of changes as Roscommon minds started drifting towards a Connacht final against Mayo or Galway on April 4th.
There was still time for wing back Ronan Daly to kick his third point of the afternoon. Centre back Cathal Kenny also got in on the action with a score as Roscommon qualified for their sixth provincial under-21 final in succession.
ROSCOMMON: S Mannion; N McInerney, S Mullooly, D Barron; C Hussey, C Kenny (0-1), R Daly (0-3); C Compton, T O'Rourke; S Killoran (0-2), U Harney (0-2, one free), J Earley (0-1); D Murtagh (2-5, 0-3 frees), E Smith (3-1), P Kenny (1-2, 0-2 frees).
Subs: N Gately for Smith (37 mins), K Kilcline for Killoran (42 mins), M Murtagh for Earley (44 mins), D McGann (0-1) for Murtagh (44 mins), E McGrath for Daly (54 mins), P Neilan for Barron (58 mins).
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 19, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
U21 failure not always an indication of senior results. An u21 team with Gooch, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon, Kieran Donaghy, Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan and a few other Kerry seniors lost to Waterford u21s. A fair few of those have gone on to win 4 or 5 All-Ireland medals.
Ssssshhhhh, the Rossies will absolutely throw in the towel if thats the case.
In fairness though an excellent under 21 team does a lot of the time bring you success at senior level.
Going back to even 83 with Mayo brought a lot lads to where we got to in 89, we had a couple of good under 21 sides in the early nineties too , which in turn gave us good senior period 96-99 and this present team have a fair few from 2006 under 21 team .
Kerry won 21 titles in 95/96 and 98. Etc etc etc
Only team I think it has failed a biteen as a model is Galway. 02/05/11/13 champions and not done bugger all at senior level since 01 to present day.
Sometimes young fellas learn more losing an underage all Ireland. Eg Galway 94 minors who turned into great seniors in 98.
I think Galway really struggled to cope with puke football post say 2005.
And a lot of good players lost interest/didn't make the cut.
Eg 2009 league vs Donegal D1
GALWAY : P Doherty; N Coyne, F Hanley, D Burke; G Bradshaw (0-2) , D Blake, D Mullahy; J Bergin, B Cullinane; S Armstrong (0-1), P Joyce (0-1) , M Lydon; D Dunleavy (0-2), M Meehan (1-9, three frees), N Joyce (0-1).
Meehan had dreadful injuries but only Hanley and Bradshaw are still around AFAIK.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 19, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
U21 failure not always an indication of senior results. An u21 team with Gooch, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon, Kieran Donaghy, Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan and a few other Kerry seniors lost to Waterford u21s. A fair few of those have gone on to win 4 or 5 All-Ireland medals.
Think that team might have been managed also by Jack O'Connor. Might be wrong about that but remember some grumbling at the time he got the senior gig.
Quote from: Canalman on March 20, 2015, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 19, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
U21 failure not always an indication of senior results. An u21 team with Gooch, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon, Kieran Donaghy, Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan and a few other Kerry seniors lost to Waterford u21s. A fair few of those have gone on to win 4 or 5 All-Ireland medals.
Think that team might have been managed also by Jack O'Connor. Might be wrong about that but remember some grumbling at the time he got the senior gig.
Donaghy was only a sub that day and Sheehan was in nets.
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2015, 09:19:45 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 19, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
U21 failure not always an indication of senior results. An u21 team with Gooch, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon, Kieran Donaghy, Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan and a few other Kerry seniors lost to Waterford u21s. A fair few of those have gone on to win 4 or 5 All-Ireland medals.
Ssssshhhhh, the Rossies will absolutely throw in the towel if thats the case.
In fairness though an excellent under 21 team does a lot of the time bring you success at senior level.
Going back to even 83 with Mayo brought a lot lads to where we got to in 89, we had a couple of good under 21 sides in the early nineties too , which in turn gave us good senior period 96-99 and this present team have a fair few from 2006 under 21 team .
Kerry won 21 titles in 95/96 and 98. Etc etc etc
Only team I think it has failed a biteen as a model is Galway. 02/05/11/13 champions and not done bugger all at senior level since 01 to present day.
Sometimes young fellas learn more losing an underage all Ireland. Eg Galway 94 minors who turned into great seniors in 98.
I think Galway really struggled to cope with puke football post say 2005.
And a lot of good players lost interest/didn't make the cut.
Eg 2009 league vs Donegal D1
GALWAY : P Doherty; N Coyne, F Hanley, D Burke; G Bradshaw (0-2) , D Blake, D Mullahy; J Bergin, B Cullinane; S Armstrong (0-1), P Joyce (0-1) , M Lydon; D Dunleavy (0-2), M Meehan (1-9, three frees), N Joyce (0-1).
Meehan had dreadful injuries but only Hanley and Bradshaw are still around AFAIK.
I totally agree with you on the context of Galway not being able to cope with the modern game, the fancy Dan type culture in Galway has seen them left behind in recent times , maybe Walsh will toughen things up defensively and tactically but there hasn't been any indicator as of yet that it will be the case. On their day the forwards available to Galway at the moment are as good as you get , you only have to look at Corofin this year . Against kerry last year I really thought there were times they looked like they were capable of winning that game but kerry simply got there scores too handy in the end but if I my memory serves me right when Galway ran at them they had kerry in trouble .
Galway in their championship games last year against Mayo,Tipperary,Kerry were wide open in defence. Corofin have shown the Galway county team how its done. A well organised defence brings success.
Mayo were at evens at the beginning of the week to beat Galway ,then the odds disappeared from PP all week and now they're back in there at 8/15. I just can't fathom some of the betting patterns GAA takes.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2015, 11:46:02 AM
Mayo were at evens at the beginning of the week to beat Galway ,then the odds disappeared from PP all week and now they're back in there at 8/15. I just can't fathom some of the betting patterns GAA takes.
Given our recent record at U21 level, Evens wasn't over-generous. Anyone backing us at 8/15 must be demented.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2015, 11:46:02 AM
Mayo were at evens at the beginning of the week to beat Galway ,then the odds disappeared from PP all week and now they're back in there at 8/15. I just can't fathom some of the betting patterns GAA takes.
Ros and Kildare money distorts markets, as far as I can see
quote seafoid " Ros and Kildare money distorts markets"
Sometimes I just sit and wonder. Cues outside Ros and Kildare bookies betting on a Mayo v Galway u21 game??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Any word on a mayo team for tomorrow?
In fairness, i find Seafoid's posts to be great entertainment. That deep lying bitterness towards the Rossies that cannot be suppressed, once he touches a keyboard is providing some great one liners..
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 20, 2015, 07:52:19 PM
In fairness, i find Seafoid's posts to be great entertainment. That deep lying bitterness towards the Rossies that cannot be suppressed, once he touches a keyboard is providing some great one liners..
Where were you last week after the laois match ? We missed you.
Rossies are great fun.
1.) Matthew Flanagan - Balla
2.) Michael Hall - Breaffy
3.) David Kenny - Aghamore
4.) James Stretton - Claremorris
5.) Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
6.) Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7.) Sean Regan - Ballina Stephenites
8.) Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
9.) Val Roughneen - Balla
10.) T.J. Byrne - Kiltimagh
11.) Adam Gallagher - Mayo Gaels (Capt.)
12.) Darren McHale - Knockmore
13.) Cian Burke - Ballymun Kickhams
14.) Conor Loftus - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
15.) James Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
16.) Sean Shaughnessy - Ballinrobe
17.) Kevin Lynch - Mayo Gaels
18.) Eddie Doran - Achill
19.) Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
20.) Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
21.) Brian Reape - Bohola Moy Davitts
22.) Eoghan Lavin - Kiltimagh
23.) Darragh Ruane - Bohola Moy Davitts
24.) Steven Conroy - The Neale
Manager - Niall Heffernan
Seafoid, i posted a few days after the Laois game about the alleged verbal abuse of some of the Ros players...Didn't realise my activity on this board was being monitored.
Matthew Ruane should be starting, he was one of the best Mayo players against Ros in the hastings. dont know about Sean Regan as a halfback.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 20, 2015, 10:26:04 PM
Seafoid, i posted a few days after the Laois game about the alleged verbal abuse of some of the Ros players...Didn't realise my activity on this board was being monitored.
I just noticed less verbiage. If ye lose this weekend will normal chatter levels be maintained? And is 5 /4 a good price for Ros to get promoted?
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 20, 2015, 07:52:19 PM
In fairness, i find Seafoid's posts to be great entertainment. That deep lying bitterness towards the Rossies that cannot be suppressed, once he touches a keyboard is providing some great one liners..
He likes to pick on targets that he perceives to have no comeback. That is why he always picks on the Kildare lads. I called him out on this a while back with the Cavan boys as well.
I prefer to banter with the Nordie lads. It is more craic when both sides have a decent comeback.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2015, 09:43:08 PM
1.) Matthew Flanagan - Balla
2.) Michael Hall - Breaffy
3.) David Kenny - Aghamore
4.) James Stretton - Claremorris
5.) Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
6.) Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7.) Sean Regan - Ballina Stephenites
8.) Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
9.) Val Roughneen - Balla
10.) T.J. Byrne - Kiltimagh
11.) Adam Gallagher - Mayo Gaels (Capt.)
12.) Darren McHale - Knockmore
13.) Cian Burke - Ballymun Kickhams
14.) Conor Loftus - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
15.) James Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
16.) Sean Shaughnessy - Ballinrobe
17.) Kevin Lynch - Mayo Gaels
18.) Eddie Doran - Achill
19.) Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
20.) Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
21.) Brian Reape - Bohola Moy Davitts
22.) Eoghan Lavin - Kiltimagh
23.) Darragh Ruane - Bohola Moy Davitts
24.) Steven Conroy - The Neale
Manager - Niall Heffernan
One change. We didn t get the hang of the extra defender at all the last day until the second half. Obviously continuing down this road in case we beat Galway and have to batten down the hatches against the Rossie hoards. Shudders :'( :'(
Don't be giving me that Moysider. Force of habit and tradition will ensure that many Mayo and Galway people really view today's match as the actual Connacht Final.
Galway under 21 football team to play Mayo
1 Tadhg O'Malley (Leitir Mór), 2 Eoghan Kerin (Anach Cuain), 3 Jack Wyndam (An Cheathrú Rua), 4 Kieran Molloy (Corafinne), 5 Johnny Heaney (Cill Ainín), 6 Adrian Nolan (Cill Fhir Iarainn), 7 Liam Silke (Corafinne), 8 Michael Day (Áth Cinn), 9 Dylan Corbett (Ath Cinn), 10 Enda Tierney (Uachtar Ard), 11 Damien Comer (Anach Cuain), 12 Colin Brady (Corafinne), 13 Micheal Daly (An Creagán/Magh Locha), 14 Gary Kelly (Baile Liam) agus 15 Eamon Brannigan (Naomh Micheál)
10mins gone Mayo 0-1 Galway 0-2
Mayo in trouble here .Down 0.04 to 1.04 and D.O connor black carded
Ht mayo 0.05 Galway 1.06.Mayo have been unable to contain Daimien Comer and have it all to do to turn this around.
Not getting any better for Mayo .down.07 to 1.09 10 min gone in 2ind half
Mayo 0.07 Galway 1.11.Mayo taking another tanking for the 2ind year in a row
Comer the star of the show with 1-5. Galway 1-12 Mayo 0-9 with about 10 mins to go.
FT Mayo 0.11 Galway 1.12.Patrick Durcan straight red right after a disallowed goal.First Galway win over Mayo since 2005 at this level
Quote from: maigheo on March 21, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
FT Mayo 0.11 Galway 1.12.Patrick Durcan straight red right after a disallowed goal.First Galway win over Mayo since 2005 at this level
That's not true , sure it was only in tuam in 13 since they beat us
Quote from: maigheo on March 21, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
FT Mayo 0.11 Galway 1.12.Patrick Durcan straight red right after a disallowed goal.First Galway win over Mayo since 2005 at this level
Another year and yet again a poor enough show.
........... salthill on easter saturday for ...k sake
Quote from: larryin89 on March 21, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: maigheo on March 21, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
FT Mayo 0.11 Galway 1.12.Patrick Durcan straight red right after a disallowed goal.First Galway win over Mayo since 2005 at this level
That's not true , sure it was only in tuam in 13 since they beat us
yes you are right.Forgot about that game.Another disappointing day for Mayo.Read an interview with Niall Heffernan in the Mayo News and it did not leave me with much hope for this panel.The aim of this competition is to win the dam thing and not waffling on about preparing players for the senior team.I hope Stephen Rochsford comes into the reckoning for the job ,and thats if he isn't still ticked off at how he was treated the last time
Must say I'm not one bit surprised by the result. Pity the final is in Salthill. Hopefully whoever wins it can go and win the AI.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 21, 2015, 07:09:42 PM
Must say I'm not one bit surprised by the result. Pity the final is in Salthill. Hopefully whoever wins it can go and win the AI.
The last underage championship match between Roscommon and Galway in Galway was in Tuam. Wouldn't be calling it for Salthill just yet. It would suit both teams better so it would make more sense all-round.
Good win today for the lads. Pretty much led for the entire game. Didn't really have any big expectations before the match to be honest. Damien Comer seemed to be head and shoulders above everyone else on the field. Roscommon will justly be warm favourites in the final but sure you never know on the day. Might need a lucky break or two though.
To all mayo clowns i was right and remain to be right with my predictions. By the way lpool rossies and barca treble of sunday.get on
GBB is correct in saying that Roscommon will be favourites, but this is going to be a hard game to call. I see 2 advantages for Galway. Firstly, home advantage, although that might not be that crucial at the end of the day.. The second advantage is having had a closely fought competitive game and emerging successfully from it.. They seem to have been in control throughout, but they were still tested and came out of Castlebar with a win...Roscommon on the other hand would have learnt very little about themselves in the Sligo game. They've had harder training sessions.. Ros hammered Galway in the Hastings Cup Final, when both teams were understrength, but that will have no bearing on a Connacht Final.
Quote from: Syferus on March 21, 2015, 07:12:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 21, 2015, 07:09:42 PM
Must say I'm not one bit surprised by the result. Pity the final is in Salthill. Hopefully whoever wins it can go and win the AI.
The last underage championship match between Roscommon and Galway in Galway was in Tuam. Wouldn't be calling it for Salthill just yet. It would suit both teams better so it would make more sense all-round.
Hard luck again, 2 defeats in a week for your boys and up against it with Cork tomorrow as well
How far did Ros minors get in 2012?
Last time ros v galway u21 match at a galway venue it was salthill in 2011, Ros cbs were in all-ire colleges b final same day and there were at least 2 families with lads on both teams, Galway would not agree either to a change of time or venue when requested by Ros, you can bet your bottom dollar it will be salthill again, Ros minors beaten in 2012 in all-ire quarter by Kerry and were most unlucky on the day, lost by a point and missed a peno and much more, minor of 3 years ago is no way a reflection of this years u21 form, minor is a one year thing but u21 is the best of 3 years minors and a much truer reflection of where a county is going, on everything I have seen this year ros should win this one but sport is sport and you never can be sure.
Roscommon beat Galway handy enough in the Hastings final although it is a much changed Galway team now with about 5 lads returning along with the Corofin lads. Not sure it will be enough to bridge the gap but would hope for a more keenly contested game than the last time anyway.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 21, 2015, 08:26:11 PM
Roscommon beat Galway handy enough in the Hastings final although it is a much changed Galway team now with about 5 lads returning along with the Corofin lads. Not sure it will be enough to bridge the gap but would hope for a more keenly contested game than the last time anyway.
Roscommon's to lose overall .
How long are you out in indiana, have ye radio or tele or internet out there
Since Mayos last Connacht U-21 final appearance/win in 2009 a similar pattern has been developing at this grade.
2010 Roscommon
2011 Galway
2012 Roscommon
2013 Galway
2014 Roscommon
Can we break that pattern or will Galway win again this year? With Galways record of winning U-21 All Irelands & home advantage in this Connacht final the odds will certainly be interesting.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 21, 2015, 07:21:45 PM
Good win today for the lads. Pretty much led for the entire game. Didn't really have any big expectations before the match to be honest. Damien Comer seemed to be head and shoulders above everyone else on the field. Roscommon will justly be warm favourites in the final but sure you never know on the day. Might need a lucky break or two though.
How much expectations had you and other Galway supporters before the 2011,2013 championships? After the manner of our 2013 U-21 final defeat i think it is us that are probably due a luck break or two.
Can't believe I gave up the 3rd rugby match to go watch our U21s!
Really this was a 4 point hammering.
The game was over as a contest when Mayo were dealth 2 hammer blows. First O Connor blackcarded and then the Galway goal. That the ref missed the push in the back on the full back was laughable. He didn t miss the one before the Mayo goal which was disallowed which shows he wasn't completely useless. He probably got the cards correct but the Galway black was arguably a red.
Even before the goal Galway were well on top anyway and a couple of late frees by Mayo put a more respectable look on it. It's hard to put a finger on what was wrong with us - there was so much.
No midfield after O Connor. No authority at fb. No one at ff to go long to. No urgency until game was lost and not enough quality either if I m honest. An exception was Conor Loftus.
We need to look seriously at this grade. Can't win em all but no reason we can't be competitive.
Rossies going to win tomoro and hurling for a sprinkle
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 21, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
How long are you out in indiana, have ye radio or tele or internet out there
No we converse with smoke signals. Having a hamlet myself
Smoke is in your eyes indiana
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 21, 2015, 08:15:50 PM
Last time ros v galway u21 match at a galway venue it was salthill in 2011, Ros cbs were in all-ire colleges b final same day and there were at least 2 families with lads on both teams, Galway would not agree either to a change of time or venue when requested by Ros, you can bet your bottom dollar it will be salthill again, Ros minors beaten in 2012 in all-ire quarter by Kerry and were most unlucky on the day, lost by a point and missed a peno and much more, minor of 3 years ago is no way a reflection of this years u21 form, minor is a one year thing but u21 is the best of 3 years minors and a much truer reflection of where a county is going, on everything I have seen this year ros should win this one but sport is sport and you never can be sure.
Didn't Galway scrape past Ros' in the Hyde in 2013?
Last time at a Galway venue it was played in salthill, that was the question asked by syf, will be salthill again id say, on an easter saturday
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 21, 2015, 11:20:58 PM
Last time at a Galway venue it was played in salthill, that was the question asked by syf, will be salthill again id say, on an easter saturday
Wasn't asking a question though. The 2012 minor SF was played in Tuam between the sides, incidentally with much of the same players as this year's U21 final. The final is no cert for Salthill.
We have a poor record v Galway at u21 in recent times (Dublin and Galway have been our bogey teams) and a fancied Ros team fell apart last time in Salthill. Ergo the final will be in Salthill. If we play to our best, we'll put an end to the poor record against Galway.
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 21, 2015, 08:15:50 PM
Last time ros v galway u21 match at a galway venue it was salthill in 2011, Ros cbs were in all-ire colleges b final same day and there were at least 2 families with lads on both teams, Galway would not agree either to a change of time or venue when requested by Ros, you can bet your bottom dollar it will be salthill again, Ros minors beaten in 2012 in all-ire quarter by Kerry and were most unlucky on the day, lost by a point and missed a peno and much more, minor of 3 years ago is no way a reflection of this years u21 form, minor is a one year thing but u21 is the best of 3 years minors and a much truer reflection of where a county is going, on everything I have seen this year ros should win this one but sport is sport and you never can be sure.
Galway psy ops. Or at least perception of.
Galway came in under the radar this year. Ros have had more press to date. May the best team win and go on to win tbe all ireland.
Mayo's recent u21 form isn't great either. Ros and Galway might be harvesting connacht senior titles for a few years .
Galway are sure to play this in the seaside wind tunnel to make it as hard as possible for us.
Would ya blame them?
We need to lay this particular bogey once and for all. Won't be easy as Galway got a test while we had a training spin.
Dunno Rossfan, Galway didn't score for the last 19 mins of the game and still won by 4. I wasn't at the match but that suggests they weren't tested too much.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 22, 2015, 12:37:56 AM
Galway are sure to play this in the seaside wind tunnel to make it as hard as possible for us.
Would ya blame them?
We need to lay this particular bogey once and for all. Won't be easy as Galway got a test while we had a training spin.
if ye are good enough ye will win
To never have considered losing
As if to win is by your choosing
Damo Comer was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch.
He stood out a mile.
Conor Cunningham was also really good when he came on.
We have problems up front though.Our free taking was pathetic.
There was at least 3 frees that you would normally consider to be routine that were missed as well as other more difficult ones.
Along with that Comer was the only player really in the forwards that stood out.
Each of the other 5 didn't do an awful lot.
Mayo were very poor on the night.Very pedestrian.
Have been going to Galway-Mayo underage games for a long time and that was the poorest Mayo team/performance I can remember seeing.
Agree totally seafoid, may the best team win and go all the way, Mayo have been poor at u21 level for several years and this will follow on the bigger stage as sure as night follows day, Galway never have poor underage teams, natural footballers and will always give a good account of themselves, as for rosfans assessment that we did not have a hard game against Sligo and wont be properly prepared well thats just an insult to years of hard work put in by players and back room staff and sounds like Mayo whining a couple of years ago when they had a handy Connacht senior championship, just hope the game is in that great football theatre Tuam stadium, the best venue in the province by a mile, why or why did ye not bring that great stadium up to modern standards instead of salthill, im sure Galway football people are as puzzled as the rest of Connacht football supporters, so heres to a cracker, could be a football feast, really looking forward to it.
Is the pitch in Salthill in really poor condition, or did I imagine that on the RTE program two weeks ago?
Pitch is fine if you dont fall into one of the 200 drains, whatever chance of playing football I do not know how they played hurling on it, its time Galway abandoned this place, with property rising again its a premium piece of ground and its sale would go a long way to developing tuam stadium and a nice hurling pitch in the south of the county or even one pitch away from the winds and rain of the Atlantic sea with proper access and parking for patrons
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 22, 2015, 11:41:43 AM
Pitch is fine if you dont fall into one of the 200 drains, whatever chance of playing football I do not know how they played hurling on it, its time Galway abandoned this place, with property rising again its a premium piece of ground and its sale would go a long way to developing tuam stadium and a nice hurling pitch in the south of the county or even one pitch away from the winds and rain of the Atlantic sea with proper access and parking for patrons
the sawdoctors should really write a song about bringing county matches back to Tuam
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 22, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Dunno Rossfan, Galway didn't score for the last 19 mins of the game and still won by 4. I wasn't at the match but that suggests they weren't tested too much.
Not tested at all. Second year in a row where we offered no threat in the championship. The warning signs were there in Leitrim game.
Not sure it matters much. As likely to get senior players out of a losing team as a winning team and I think there are 4 seniors in that team which is a decent enough return.
One caveat I would have for future oppositions regarding Galway is that, even with our obvious inadequacies, they looked very well organised defensively. Realising that Mayo's game depended on runners like Hall, Durkan, Regan Burke and O Connor, they dropped off and put a mass of players in a band accross the middle forcing Mayo over and back the field. The didn t press up on kick-out conceding possession to Mayo each time and more often than not turned it over before long. Their midfield was on top for their own kick-outs.
Playing a sweeper ourselves we were ounumbered ourselves inside as well with no real size for target either.
The Galway Gaa website has the Connacht final down for 2:30pm on Easter Saturday in Hyde Park.
Is this a mistake? The last Galway-Ros game in u21 was the final of 2013 which was also in the Hyde so I would have assumed it would be a Galway venue?
Quote from: galwayman on March 23, 2015, 08:47:42 AM
The Galway Gaa website has the Connacht final down for 2:30pm on Easter Saturday in Hyde Park.
Is this a mistake? The last Galway-Ros game in u21 was the final of 2013 which was also in the Hyde so I would have assumed it would be a Galway venue?
The word from yer side of the Suck is that it's down for Tuam, it's definitely a home game for Galway. I think both sides would be happy about that choice of a venue.
Galway due a home game. Some on stolensheep saying it's in Tuam which I suspect may be wishful thinking.
Venue will be announced tonight as far as i know.
I imagine JP and the Connacht Treasurer will want it in Tuam but if it's Galway CB's choice....Wind tunnel.
Rossies looking good.3/1 to win al. Get on get on get on
Quote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2015, 09:12:51 AM
I imagine JP and the Connacht Treasurer will want it in Tuam but if it's Galway CB's choice....Wind tunnel.
JP won out. Tuam 6 pm.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2015, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2015, 09:12:51 AM
I imagine JP and the Connacht Treasurer will want it in Tuam but if it's Galway CB's choice....Wind tunnel.
JP won out. Tuam 6 pm.
It's been known to be Tuam since the morning after the Mayo-Galway match.. Galway had their venue decided immediately. I doubt JP had anything to do with it.
Probably think th oul bad pitch will even things a biteen. Although the wind tunnel pitch looks like no man's land in WW1 lately.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
Probably think th oul bad pitch will even things a biteen. Although the wind tunnel pitch looks like no man's land in WW1 lately.
Tuam has been a home away from home for us at all grades. I don't think there's an away venue I enjoy going to more than the archbishop's town. With the Hyde going down for repairs we could look to rent it out for a year sure..
Next Saturday is a different kettle of fish after that debacle in the hyde today, when have we ever beaten Galway when it mattered, I am not looking forward to it, our senior players will find it hard to recover after that defeat today, our u21s should not have been played today, Dowd can not be a happy manager, he will have to try and pick those lads up and motivate them for the weekend, it will not be easy, could be a bad week for us Rossies after such high expectations, still you never know............
I don't know how you couldn't look forward to a game like this. It's days like Saturday you live for.
"Still you never know"
Roscommon are raging hot favs ffs.
I don't know ! yer starting to climb down already about yer " bestisyettocome" revolution and it not even easter Sunday yet. Ba ba ba ba ba ba
Current odds
Wed 8/15 Tyrone U21 v Armagh U21 15/8
Draw 7/1
Wed 8/11 Donegal U21 v Monaghan U21 11/8
Draw 7/1
Thur 2/7 Dublin U21 v Kildare U21 10/3
Draw 9/1
Sat 15/8 Galway U21 v Roscommon U21 8/15
Draw 15/2
Overall odds
Dublin U21 7/4
Roscommon U21 11/4
Cork U21 13/2
Galway U21 13/2
Tyrone U21 10/1
Tipperary U21 12/1
Kildare U21 14/1
Donegal U21 18/1
Armagh U21 20/1
Monaghan U21 25/1
Odds are affected by the fact that Ulster are only at the semi-final stage, whereas all other provinces are at the final stage.
Also because Ulster is poor at U21 the year. ;)
See u found your way home from Cork larrin89, ye let the cat out of the bag there, but its not the first time of late and it wont be the last, we still have a good shot of promotion next sunday and next saturday for the sixth time in a row we will have a Connacht u21 final with a Rossie team in it oh and for the sixth time in a row we will have a Connacht u21 final without a Mayo team in it, put that on your rhubarb crumble to sweeten it up.
Just got Kildare at 18/1 at Ladbrokes. Hope I lose my money on Thursday, but they've as good a chance as anyone of beating the Dubs so worth a few quid.
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2015, 05:52:38 PM
Just got Kildare at 18/1 at Ladbrokes. Hope I lose my money on Thursday, but they've as good a chance as anyone of beating the Dubs so worth a few quid.
Why are they playing the Leinster final on Thursday of all days? Are the Dubs going to the Pro-Cathedral on Spy Wednesday or something?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
Probably think th oul bad pitch will even things a biteen. Although the wind tunnel pitch looks like no man's land in WW1 lately.
What a load of rubbish Rossfan.Have you ever played a football match in Tuam Stadium?
I've played there countless times.It's an excellent pitch.
Quote from: galwayman on March 31, 2015, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
Probably think th oul bad pitch will even things a biteen. Although the wind tunnel pitch looks like no man's land in WW1 lately.
What a load of rubbish Rossfan.Have you ever played a football match in Tuam Stadium?
I've played there countless times.It's an excellent pitch.
Well it is a serious patch-work of turf and Astro-turf at this stage in fairness. Certainly seen better days. That said, it's no Hyde.
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 31, 2015, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
Probably think th oul bad pitch will even things a biteen. Although the wind tunnel pitch looks like no man's land in WW1 lately.
What a load of rubbish Rossfan.Have you ever played a football match in Tuam Stadium?
I've played there countless times.It's an excellent pitch.
Well it is a serious patch-work of turf and Astro-turf at this stage in fairness. Certainly seen better days. That said, it's no Hyde.
Told by a current County player it's not a good pitch any more.
Don't think there's much wrong with the pitch in Tuam unless it's taken a bad turn in recent weeks. It looked perfectly fine last time I was there which was just before Christmas. It's the rest of the ground that's the problem.
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2015, 05:58:30 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2015, 05:52:38 PM
Just got Kildare at 18/1 at Ladbrokes. Hope I lose my money on Thursday, but they've as good a chance as anyone of beating the Dubs so worth a few quid.
Why are they playing the Leinster final on Thursday of all days? Are the Dubs going to the Pro-Cathedral on Spy Wednesday or something?
Why do Connacht Council have the u21 finals on a Saturday?, the day before the final round in the League..
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2015, 05:52:38 PM
Just got Kildare at 18/1 at Ladbrokes. Hope I lose my money on Thursday, but they've as good a chance as anyone of beating the Dubs so worth a few quid.
I could be wrong but I think the side that had the best chance of beating Dublin in Leinster was Longford.
Kildare have one of the best forwards at this grade in Niall Kelly.
O Gara will be a loss for Dublin. Injured in the same game as his brother.
It'd be pushing it to say Kelly was much (if anything) ahead of McHugh or Costello. Shane Carthy would be there or thereabouts too. Dublin don't look stellar this year but they didn't last year and still won it.
One of, not the best, Longford U21's don't have any forwards starting on the Senior team.
Quote from: galwayman on March 31, 2015, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
Probably think th oul bad pitch will even things a biteen. Although the wind tunnel pitch looks like no man's land in WW1 lately.
What a load of rubbish Rossfan.Have you ever played a football match in Tuam Stadium?
I've played there countless times.It's an excellent pitch.
It was crap when Armagh played there last year.
Weather permitting the Armagh v Tyrone game should be a good match tomorrow. If Ethan Rafferty has recovered from the serious kick he got on the head on Saturday's match v Louth I would expect Armagh to win midfield. If the defence can handle the Tyrone forwards is another matter.
The pitch was always good when i was there as a rossie. It was just lashing rain every time we play there. I would saythe same will be saturday. I fancy rossies but galway rain and comer have me a little worried
DUBLIN (U21FC v Kildare)
1 Loran Molloy (St Anne's)
2 Shane Clayton (Ballyboden St Enda's)
3 David Byrne (Naomh Olaf)
4 Ross McGowan (Kilmacud Crokes)
5 Eric Lowndes (St Peregrine's)
6 Conor Mulally (Cuala)
7 Eoin Murchan (Na Fianna)
8 Stephen Cunningham (St Sylvester's)
9 Shane Carthy (Naomh Mearnóg)
10 Gavin Burke (St Vincent's)
11 Andrew Foley (Clontarf)
12 Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge St)
13 Cormac Costello (Whitehall Colmcille)
14 Conor McHugh (Na Fianna)
15 Colm Basquel (Ballyboden St Enda's)
Quote from: Throw ball on March 31, 2015, 09:55:44 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 31, 2015, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
Probably think th oul bad pitch will even things a biteen. Although the wind tunnel pitch looks like no man's land in WW1 lately.
What a load of rubbish Rossfan.Have you ever played a football match in Tuam Stadium?
I've played there countless times.It's an excellent pitch.
It was crap when Armagh played there last year.
Would ya stop, us westies don't have access to the Queens loot :)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 01, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
DUBLIN (U21FC v Kildare)
1 Loran Molloy (St Anne's)
2 Shane Clayton (Ballyboden St Enda's)
3 David Byrne (Naomh Olaf)
4 Ross McGowan (Kilmacud Crokes)
5 Eric Lowndes (St Peregrine's)
6 Conor Mulally (Cuala)
7 Eoin Murchan (Na Fianna)
8 Stephen Cunningham (St Sylvester's)
9 Shane Carthy (Naomh Mearnóg)
10 Gavin Burke (St Vincent's)
11 Andrew Foley (Clontarf)
12 Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge St)
13 Cormac Costello (Whitehall Colmcille)
14 Conor McHugh (Na Fianna)
15 Colm Basquel (Ballyboden St Enda's)
12 of 2012 minor All Ireland winning team? Could be more on the bench, that's some return from any minor team.
Armagh Facebook page saying that tonight's match has been switched from Enniskillen to Breffni Park due to an unplayable pitch.
CILL DARA U21 (v Áth Cliath)
1 Colin Heeney (Celbridge)
2 Brian Byrne (Naas)
3 Darren Maguire (Maynooth)
4 Paul Mescal (Maynooth)
5 Ryan Houlihan (Moorefield)
6 David Hyland (Athy)
7 David Duke (Kilcock)
8 Ryan Moore (Moorefield)
9 Pascal Connell (Athy)
10 Chris Fenner (St Laurence's)
11 David Fitzpatrick (Raheens)
12 Niall Kelly (Athy)
13 Neil Flynn (Maynooth)
14 Mark Sherry (Two Mile House)
15 Chris Healy (Two Mile House)
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 31, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
The pitch was always good when i was there as a rossie. It was just lashing rain every time we play there. I would saythe same will be saturday. I fancy rossies but galway rain and comer have me a little worried
The Rossies are favourites but will that rest easily on the primrose shoulders ?
Updated odds with all 4 provinces at the semi-final stage
Dublin U21 7/4
Roscommon U21 11/4
Galway U21 13/2
Cork U21 13/2
Tyrone U21 8/1
Donegal U21 10/1
Tipperary U21 12/1
Kildare U21 14/1
Kildare crowd keeping their €100 notes in their wallets :D
Meanwhile RTÉ showing their usual Dublin 4 interest in Gaelic games - aertel tells us the CF is in the Hyde at 2 pm :'(
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 05:09:30 PM
Updated odds with all 4 provinces at the semi-final stage
Dublin U21 7/4
Roscommon U21 11/4
Galway U21 13/2
Cork U21 13/2
Tyrone U21 8/1
Donegal U21 10/1
Tipperary U21 12/1
Kildare U21 14/1
Donegal look a good bet there.
Radio link to Kildare v Dublin coverage
Currently Kildare 0-1 Dublin 0-0 Niall Kelly with point
http://www.kfmradio.com/listen-live-player.html
Kildare 0-2 Dublin 0-1 Neil Flynn with a point from a free and Costello with a point from play 13 minutes gone.
Sounds like a decent pace to the game.
Shane Carty with a point to level things. 0-2 apiece
Costello with a point from a free to put the Dubs 3 points to 2 up 17 minutes.
Neil Flynn with a free to make it 0-3 apiece 20 minutes gone.
Neill Flynn from play to make it 0-4 0-3 to Kildare
Goal for Dublin - Basquel to make it Kildare 0-4 Dublin 1-3
Another goal for Dublin - Costello to make it Dublin 2-3 to Kildare 0-4
Flynn from play to make it
Dublin 2-3 to Kildare 0-5 26 minutes
Dublin have kicked 9 wides - a lot of them fairly scoreable by the sounds of it
Dublin 2-4 to Kildare 0-5 28 minutes
Andy Foley from play
Dublin 2-5 to Kildare 0-5 29 minutes
Lowdnes from play
Flipping Dublin.
Dublin 2-5 to Kildare 0-6
Flynn with a 45
Goal for Kildare late late in injury time
Dublin 2-5 to Kildare 1-6 HT
Great time for Kildare to score a goal. Makes for interesting 2nd half.
Hardly on TV or being streamed anywhere?
Kildare 1-9 Dublin 2-5, 40 mins gone
Kildare 1-10 Dublin 3-5
Dublin goal COstello Basquel
Kildare 1-10 Dublin 3-6
50mins gone Kildare 1-11 Dublin 3-7
Kildare 1-11 Dublin 3-6 Flynn with a free
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
50mins gone Kildare 1-11 Dublin 3-7
Nearly 100% that the radio have given Dublin an extra point.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
50mins gone Kildare 1-11 Dublin 3-7
Nearly 100% that the radio have given Dublin an extra point.
Yup just corrected it down Dublin still 3-6
Kildare 1-11 Dublin 3-7 McHugh from play
Kildare 1-12 Dublin 3-7 45 from Flynn
Kildare 1-12 Dublin 3-8 Lowdnes from play
Penalty for Dublin - goal or point decision?
Mc Hugh takes his point in injury time (could be a bit)
Dublin 3 up
Kildare 1-12 Dublin 3-10 FT
McHugh with the insurance point
Flynn kicked 11 points 8 from deadballs.
Dublin with 14 wides Kildare with 5
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 08:49:06 PM
Kildare 1-12 Dublin 3-10 FT
McHugh with the insurance point
Flynn kicked 11 points 8 from deadballs.
Dublin with 14 wides Kildare with 5
Good win in the end by all accounts but we're no higher then 3rd favourites for this and without Hastings Cup form it's hard to know where we stand really.
All joking aside Roscommon look the best team in this.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 02, 2015, 09:29:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2015, 08:49:06 PM
Kildare 1-12 Dublin 3-10 FT
McHugh with the insurance point
Flynn kicked 11 points 8 from deadballs.
Dublin with 14 wides Kildare with 5
Good win in the end by all accounts but we're no higher then 3rd favourites for this and without Hastings Cup form it's hard to know where we stand really.
All joking aside Roscommon look the best team in this.
..based on a single match against a team as prepared as a pub side.
Just accept it Sy.
Quote from: moysider on April 02, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
Just accept it Sy.
I'll accept it if we hammer Galway out of the gate in Tuam.
Syferus shiteing his togs again.
Galway team v Roscommon
Tadgh O'Malley (Leitir Moir)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Jack Wyndham (An Cheathru Rua)
Kieran Molloy (Corofin)
Dylan Corbett (Headford)
Adrian Nolan (Killererin)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Michael Day (Headford)
Conor Cunningham (Corofin)
Enda Tierney (Oughterard)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Colin Brady (Corofin)
Eamon Brannigan (St Michael's)
Damien Comer (Annaghdown)
Gary Kelly (Williamstown)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2015, 11:10:46 PM
Galway team v Roscommon
Tadgh O'Malley (Leitir Moir)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Jack Wyndham (An Cheathru Rua)
Kieran Molloy (Corofin)
Dylan Corbett (Headford)
Adrian Nolan (Killererin)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Michael Day (Headford)
Conor Cunningham (Corofin)
Enda Tierney (Oughterard)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Colin Brady (Corofin)
Eamon Brannigan (St Michael's)
Damien Comer (Annaghdown)
Gary Kelly (Williamstown)
No Michael Daly or Martin Farragher? Forwards aren't exactly the most prolific so they must hope that home advantage really is worth a few points.
Quote from: Syferus on April 02, 2015, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 02, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
Just accept it Sy.
I'll accept it if we hammer Galway out of the gate in Tuam.
Accept it, don't let it turn the screw
Accept it and let it scream back at you
Best of luck to the young Rossies today. If they play to their potential, they will be hard to beat. But of course, the big question is, will they be able to play to their potential. What will Galway have up their sleeve to thwart the Rossies? That's what it makes sport so unpredictable..Best wishes to Manager Mark Dowd and ex Ros senior footballers, now selectors, Frankie Dolan, John Rogers, John Nolan etc.
Does anyone know how many of that Galway team played in the hastings cup final?. Best of luck to the young Rossies today, a big day for them and their families of course, we should have enough firepower to out gun Galway today, I expect Galway to set up defenceively for this one but I think it will be a mistake if they do, will be a packed midfield today and whoever comes away with the breaks will be in pole position, that said I believe that this is one of the best prepared underage teams to leave our county and on that basis I expect a win today, but sport being sport you never know, Galway as defending all-ire champs did not expect to lose to Leitrim last year.
What time is the game on?Would have to fancy Ros by 5 or 6 points
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
What time is the game on?Would have to fancy Ros by 5 or 6 points
6pm
thanks
Connacht final throws in, perfect conditions according to the radio.
Liam Silke picks up Enda Smith, Murtagh kicks a free to put Roscommon one up.
Live on http://www.shannonside.ie
Roscommon 0-2 Galway 0-1 3 minutes gone and Galway miss a goal chance.
Ultan Harney has 2 points from play and won the free for Murtagh's score but Comer now has a goal for Galway.
0 - 3 to 1 - 1.
Roscommon reply - 0-4 to 1-1, 10 minutes gone.
Enjoy listening to Willie Hegerty but Donie Shine would explode your head
'Damien Comer would score in a confessional box' :) :) :) :) Where does he get them from?
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2015, 06:11:18 PM
Enjoy listening to Willie Hegerty but Donie Shine would explode your head
Yeah according to him Roscommon lads are being poleaxed left right and centre.
Roscommon 0-5 Galway 2-3
Roscommon seem to be missing a lot of chances whereas Galway are missing little or nothing.
"Galway sparkling like wine"
"the teeth of the knife"
"Could we have an unexpected Easter rising in Tuam?"
Galway 2-5 Roscommon 0-7, sounds like a cracking game.
An utterly bizarre analogy about kissing the nails of the Cross there.
Dont do drugs kids.
Goal Roscommon!! 1-7 to 2-5
"This is like a ladies hair saloon getting ready for a wedding there's so many highlights.Who'll get married? Who's the bride?"
Level 1-8 to 2-5.
1-10 to 2-6
A point each to make it 1-9 to 2-6 but a free in for Roscommon with 2 minutes to go to half time which they score now Roscommon lead 1-10 to 2-6.
"Both teams are like Siamese twins, they are so evenly matched"
GotY stuff so far. Fantastic football from both sides.
HT 1-10 to 2-6, Roscommon lead by the minimum. Great game.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 06:31:51 PM
HT 1-10 to 2-6, Roscommon lead by the minimum. Great game.
What radio is broadcasting the match?
http://www.shannonside.ie/
Rossie with 7 wides versus Galway's 1
Sounds like the game is being played at a serious pace.
u21 grade usually throws up a lot of great games but nobody really sees them.If Dublin and Derry had not been on Tv last week there would be no crisis in gaelic ootball this week
Not true.
Brannigan gets his fourth point to level it up.
Now they lead. 2-8 to 1-10.
Another Galway point now and all 6 forwards have scored, 2-9 to 1-10.
"He was almost amputated."
Roscommon 1-11 Galway 2-9.
'they would cut your throat without shaving cream'
goal for Ros 2.11 to 2.09
Goal Roscommon!! 2-11 to 2-9 Roscommon lead.
Goal Roscommon!! 3-11 to 2-9 Roscommon lead.
Roscommon kicking for home 3-13 to 2-11 with about 5 to go.
Goal for Galway -
Roscommon 3-14 Galway 3-11
Goal Galway from Branigan!! Roscommon 3-14 Galway 3-11, game nearly over though.
Looks like the 2 quick goals about 10 minutes from time will win it for Roscommon. Was tit for tat until then. Have a nice cushion now.
And another Galway goal as I type. Time against them though.
"The goal will not be seen on Match of the Day tonight"
2 minutes of injury time
"full duck no dinner" :o :o :o :o
" Is it the last supper for Galway?"
Roscommon 3-14 Galway 3-11 FT
Roscommon win it by 3 after a cracking game. Congratulations to both teams on a great game and best of luck to Roscommon in the All Ireland championship now.
Diarmuid Murtagh is announced as the Man of the Match according to twitter though it didn't sound like it on the radio.
Well done Ros. Go and win the all ireland for Connacht now.
Two very cynical teams.
Harney was my MotM. Was catalyst for the goals and points that won the match.
What a match. Nothing like a good game of football to make the world seem right. The Galway monkey is off our back now. We'll see about the other monkey now.
What a game exhausted watching it
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8715/17007672836_18ac7d94a9_o_d.jpg)
Anyone else watching it think Smith looked a bit tired at stages? He was brilliant in the lead up to Kenny's goal but didn't look himself for quite a bit of the match. Cracking game though and nice to get the Galway hoodoo off our backs.
What a game. Would like to pay tribute to both teams for serving up a cracker of a match. We knew Roscommon had a good team, but fair play to Galway, they matched us stride for stride, with only a kick of a ball in the end. The future of both counties Senior teams is in safe hands if this evening is anything to go by.. After the cricket score win over Sligo, a lot of people were asking how Ros would react when they would meet a test. This evening answered that. This game will have done this team a power of good. Great to see Thomas Corcoran coming on.
What do you think of that Joe Brolly, as good a game of football that you will see this year or any year, both teams threw the kitchen sink at it and it was end to end all tru, top class scores by both team and the very highest quality of team play, it was a forwards day the only negative for the Rossies was their wide tally but Galway had pressure on the kick at all times, to win and learn is the ultimate result and Ros will have learned a lot about themselves this evening, Murtagh got motm but imo both Harney and Compton had better games not that it matters, onwards and upwards< Ulster champs next in 2 weeks time cant wait but there is a little matter of Mullingar tomorrow, have my pacemaker on charge after this evening, hope tomorrow is not as hard on it, come on the Rossies, THE BEST IS YET TO COME.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 04, 2015, 10:09:09 PM
What do you think of that Joe Brolly, as good a game of football that you will see this year or any year, both teams threw the kitchen sink at it and it was end to end all tru, top class scores by both team and the very highest quality of team play, it was a forwards day the only negative for the Rossies was their wide tally but Galway had pressure on the kick at all times, to win and learn is the ultimate result and Ros will have learned a lot about themselves this evening, Murtagh got motm but imo both Harney and Compton had better games not that it matters, onwards and upwards< Ulster champs next in 2 weeks time cant wait but there is a little matter of Mullingar tomorrow, have my pacemaker on charge after this evening, hope tomorrow is not as hard on it, come on the Rossies, THE BEST IS YET TO COME.
Are you saying if you do meet the Dubs you'll meet fire with fire rather than setting up defensivley?
I hope that's the case but I doubt it
Why would you doubt it? It seems the strength of this Roscommon team is in their forwards and unlike many other U21 teams they might even have the edge on the Dubs in that department so I'd expect Roscommon to go toe to toe with the Dubs should they meet.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
Why would you doubt it? It seems the strength of this Roscommon team is in their forwards and unlike many other U21 teams they might even have the edge on the Dubs in that department so I'd expect Roscommon to go toe to toe with the Dubs should they meet.
Like f**k we'd go toe-to-toe with Dublin.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
Why would you doubt it? It seems the strength of this Roscommon team is in their forwards and unlike many other U21 teams they might even have the edge on the Dubs in that department so I'd expect Roscommon to go toe to toe with the Dubs should they meet.
You must have missed the All Ireland final last year.
Management will be glad to have a few issues to raise, which will ensure that the team comes back down to earth quickly..Apart from the wides, no doubt the concession of 3 goals will be scrutinised.
Give the poor mouth a rest Syferus, you'll win or lose it no matter what anyone here says so just enjoy having a cracking football team to support. Many of the rest of us would love to have one!
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 04, 2015, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
Why would you doubt it? It seems the strength of this Roscommon team is in their forwards and unlike many other U21 teams they might even have the edge on the Dubs in that department so I'd expect Roscommon to go toe to toe with the Dubs should they meet.
You must have missed the All Ireland final last year.
What happened?
We have an all ireland semi-final to play first and unlike the dubs there is no way we will look past that, show a bit of respect to the Munster champions before ye start playing the final, maybe ye should have showed Donegal a bit of respect last year as well.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:24:40 PM
Give the poor mouth a rest Syferus, you'll win or lose it no matter what anyone here says so just enjoy having a cracking football team to support. Many of the rest of us would love to have one!
Did you see the 2014 U21 AI final by any chance?
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:24:40 PM
Give the poor mouth a rest Syferus, you'll win or lose it no matter what anyone here says so just enjoy having a cracking football team to support. Many of the rest of us would love to have one!
Did you see the 2014 U21 AI final by any chance?
That was then, this is now. Best of luck to Ros.
You mean the one where Roscommon lost to Dublin?
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
You mean the one where Roscommon lost to Dublin?
By 'lost' don't you mean 19 points down after 35 minutes?
I tip my hat to both sides a thrilling game that had everything. More often than not we lose games like that so i'm delighted to come out the right end this time. Galway jinx is over at U21 level 1999 since we beat them or 1982 since we beat them in a Connacht final. Harney,Murtagh two key players for us today & while Smith looked leg weary he still created two of our goals. Our strong sub bench played important role in the win also. Congrats to all our the players and management.
On to the All Ireland semi final we go now where i would expect a more defensive contest.
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2015, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
You mean the one where Roscommon lost to Dublin?
By 'lost' don't you mean 19 points down after 35 minutes?
And you understand that one game doesn't define a team, especially at underage where lads mature and others become overage? Roscommon should either win or lose their games on the basis of what they are, an exceptional U21 football team. If that means they lose to Donegal, Tyrone, Tipp, Cork or Dublin then so be it but there's no need for them to change their philosophy, especially against the Dubs who'll allow them play to their strengths.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2015, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
You mean the one where Roscommon lost to Dublin?
By 'lost' don't you mean 19 points down after 35 minutes?
And you understand that one game doesn't define a team, especially at underage where lads mature and others become overage? Roscommon should either win or lose their games on the basis of what they are, an exceptional U21 football team. If that means they lose to Donegal, Tyrone, Tipp, Cork or Dublin then so be it but there's no need for them to change their philosophy, especially against the Dubs who'll allow them play to their strengths.
We'll play to our strengths but our strengths aren't being a gun ho all-out attack team. We have talented players in the middle and in defence too. We're going to play with more balance than we did last year in the AI series. Anything less and we won't win the AISF and we can forget about Dublin, Cork or Tipp.
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2015, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
You mean the one where Roscommon lost to Dublin?
By 'lost' don't you mean 19 points down after 35 minutes?
And you understand that one game doesn't define a team, especially at underage where lads mature and others become overage? Roscommon should either win or lose their games on the basis of what they are, an exceptional U21 football team. If that means they lose to Donegal, Tyrone, Tipp, Cork or Dublin then so be it but there's no need for them to change their philosophy, especially against the Dubs who'll allow them play to their strengths.
We'll play to our strengths but our strengths aren't being a gun ho all-out attack team. We have talented players in the middle and in defence too. We're going to play with more balance than we did last year in the AI series. Anything less and we won't win the AISF and we can forget about Dublin, Cork or Tipp.
"We"?? You do know Mayo lost in the semi final, oh wait I see what you did there, you are hopping onto the Roscommon bandwagon now, sure why not, its handy to be able to follow two counties when things aren't going well for one.
Syf would you ever shut up about last years final and all that goes with it, on such a possitive evening for ros football all you can come out with is thoughts of our worst nightmare last year, for feck sake cop on and move on, every other rossie has, enjoy our success for one night at least.
Dublin team U21 shadow. Rossies beautiful.
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2015, 06:42:01 PM
u21 grade usually throws up a lot of great games but nobody really sees them.
Just on this - anyone any idea why TG4 aren't doing more as regards the U21 championship?
Even if it was only the provincial finals - both the Leinster final and the Connacht final have been very good if not exceptional games by all accounts and the Ulster and Munster finals at the very least are likely to be interesting.
Seems a no-brainer to me, especially when you look at how important GAA games are in terms of attracting audiences to TG4.
Not sure as they seem to show way more U21 hurling games, I'm pretty sure the munster U21 hurling final is always shown anyway.
I wonder has any player in the past, achieved a similar feat as young Noel Gately. In the last few weeks, he has won a Connacht Colleges 'A' medal and a Connacht U-21 medal.. He has the All Ireland Hogan Cup Final with Roscommon CBS coming up in Croke Park and then an All Ireland U-21 Semi Final (came on as sub in Tuam)..Not to mention his leaving cert in June.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 05, 2015, 01:16:07 PM
I wonder has any player in the past, achieved a similar feat as young Noel Gately. In the last few weeks, he has won a Connacht Colleges 'A' medal and a Connacht U-21 medal.. He has the All Ireland Hogan Cup Final with Roscommon CBS coming up in Croke Park and then an All Ireland U-21 Semi Final (came on as sub in Tuam)..Not to mention his leaving cert in June.
Yep Mike Frank Russell on his own
All ireland minor, hogan cup, u21, senior and club. will never be beaten. He won hogan cup, minor and u21 in the same year
He's some man to win a Connacht Colleges A title in Kerry in fairness Indy.
Quote from: Syferus on April 05, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
He's some man to win a Connacht Colleges A title in Kerry in fairness Indy.
There was no reference to it being limited to Connacht players Syferus.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 05, 2015, 01:21:10 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 05, 2015, 01:16:07 PM
I wonder has any player in the past, achieved a similar feat as young Noel Gately. In the last few weeks, he has won a Connacht Colleges 'A' medal and a Connacht U-21 medal.. He has the All Ireland Hogan Cup Final with Roscommon CBS coming up in Croke Park and then an All Ireland U-21 Semi Final (came on as sub in Tuam)..Not to mention his leaving cert in June.
Yep Mike Frank Russell on his own
All ireland minor, hogan cup, u21, senior and club. will never be beaten. He won hogan cup, minor and u21 in the same year
Paddy O'Rourke has the same record afaik.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 05, 2015, 01:21:10 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 05, 2015, 01:16:07 PM
I wonder has any player in the past, achieved a similar feat as young Noel Gately. In the last few weeks, he has won a Connacht Colleges 'A' medal and a Connacht U-21 medal.. He has the All Ireland Hogan Cup Final with Roscommon CBS coming up in Croke Park and then an All Ireland U-21 Semi Final (came on as sub in Tuam)..Not to mention his leaving cert in June.
Yep Mike Frank Russell on his own
All ireland minor, hogan cup, u21, senior and club. will never be beaten. He won hogan cup, minor and u21 in the same year
I think Mike Frank Russell's medal collection is the most comprehensive of anyone in football.
I have an inkling that the list at the link might not even be fully complete as I recall reading somewhere the Laune Rangers underage teams he was part of won a rake of county titles on the way up through underage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Frank_Russell
That was some game of football in Tuam last night and thankfully we came out the winners.
Started brightly but then the problem of it being our first real test came to the fore as our midfield and some defenders struggled and we leaked 2 goals. This brought out the best in us as Smith and Harney especially took the lead and we came from 5? down to lead by one at h/t.
Galway left us waiting for 4 or 5 minutes at the start of the second half and again we dropped off a bit conceding three quick points. A few wides by Galway, substitutions, tightening up and more work rate in defence and another mighty effort saw us outscore Galway by 2-5 to 0-2. We then were hit by a thunderbolt of a goal and byjases the last couple of minutes were nerve wracking as we were only one score ahead.
Great evening in Tuam, two excellent teams who played their part in a classic and having made history in 2012 by winning our first ever Connacht Minor back to back an awful lot of the same lads have now given us our first U21 back to back.
Happy days....... but a tough road awaits.
True Rossfan. A tough road indeed. Still Dublin's to lose, and well they know it.
Cork's team named
1. Micheál Martin (Nemo Rangers)
2. Michael McSweeney (Newcestown)
3. Tom O'Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
4. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)
5. Jamie Davis (Douglas)
6. Sean White (Clonakilty)
7. Cian Kiely (Ballincollig)
8. Alan O'Donovan (Nemo Rangers)
9. Dan O'Callaghan (Clyda Rovers)
10. Brian O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh) Capt.
11. Sean O'Donoghue (Inniscarra)
12. Darragh Murphy (Valley Rovers)
13. Cathal Vaughan (Uibh Laoire)
14. Peter Kelleher (Kilmichael)
15. Conor Horgan (Nemo Rangers)
Subs:
16. Anthony Casey (Kiskeam)
17. Dylan Quinn (St. Finbarrs)
18. Colm Hyde (Naomh Abán)
19. Sean O'Leary (Bantry)
20. Michael Desmond (Cill na Martra)
21. Cillian McIntyre (Carrigaline)
22. Kevin Davis (O'Donovan Rossa)
23. Cian Dorgan (Ballincollig)
24. Anthony O'Connor (Knocknagree)
At least Cadogan is gone - that boy is some f**king terror!!
Quote from: Syferus on April 06, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
At least Cadogan is gone - that boy is some f**king terror!!
Cuthbert will be lauded forever by the Cork County Board for his great work with the footballers (and probably the Kerry county Board as well) - getting Aidan Walsh, Damien Cahalane and Alan Cadogan and getting a whole host of others to walk away.
Anyone heard anything about the possibility of Colin O'Riordan or Ian Madigan featuring?
I heard talk that Madigan's issue is something with his back which can be an utter terror to get right.
Both counties didnt play any of their U21s with the seniors
Dont really know how strong cork are but it appesars they are missing ian mcguire who is a massive loss. I feel we dont have enough fire power to win thursday night, if we are to win it will be a low scoring game like our win over kerry a couple of years ago. Would be brilliant to get another munster under 21 but it will be a shock if we are to
Quote from: tippabu on April 06, 2015, 06:01:20 PM
Dont really know how strong cork are but it appesars they are missing ian mcguire who is a massive loss. I feel we dont have enough fire power to win thursday night, if we are to win it will be a low scoring game like our win over kerry a couple of years ago. Would be brilliant to get another munster under 21 but it will be a shock if we are to
Cork missing the younger Hurley brother as well who is supposed to be a decent prospect.
Quote from: tippabu on April 06, 2015, 06:01:20 PM
Dont really know how strong cork are but it appesars they are missing ian mcguire who is a massive loss. I feel we dont have enough fire power to win thursday night, if we are to win it will be a low scoring game like our win over kerry a couple of years ago. Would be brilliant to get another munster under 21 but it will be a shock if we are to
How many of the 2011 All Ireland minor winners are on the Tipperary U-21 team this year?
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Quote from: tippabu on April 06, 2015, 06:01:20 PM
Dont really know how strong cork are but it appesars they are missing ian mcguire who is a massive loss. I feel we dont have enough fire power to win thursday night, if we are to win it will be a low scoring game like our win over kerry a couple of years ago. Would be brilliant to get another munster under 21 but it will be a shock if we are to
How many of the 2011 All Ireland minor winners are on the Tipperary U-21 team this year?
Without knowing the team probably
Evan comerford in goal
Bill maher and Colin o riordan in the half back line
Stephen o brien midfield
ian fahy and jason lonergan half forward
couple more were on the panel but didn't play, we are missing Coleman Kennedy (collage in america) Philip quirke and John mcgrath (iinjured ) add the 3 of them in and I'd be fairly confident of winning
so its the rossies V tyrone next saturday week, we owe them more than one, where will that be played, maybe sligo, that would suit rossie supporters and handy for tyrone as well.
No chance it's Sligo. Pearse, Mullingar or Breffni (Pearse and Mullingar are truly neutral venues, however) if it's a standalone. I can see scope for a double header in Tullamore no matter which Munster team wins, though.
Tyrone are in bonus territory now, pleased to be back on national stage at this level.
Tyrone will have their eyes firmly set on the All Ireland now and with their record at underage you can't rule them out. Roscommon should be forewarned as Tyrone are not in the business of entertaining and will do whatever it takes to win.
We know all about Tyrone at this stage.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 08, 2015, 11:53:31 PMTyrone are not in the business of entertaining and will do whatever it takes to win.
Like Kerry. Hopefully a good strong ref will be appointed.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 08, 2015, 11:53:31 PM
Tyrone will have their eyes firmly set on the All Ireland now and with their record at underage you can't rule them out. Roscommon should be forewarned as Tyrone are not in the business of entertaining and will do whatever it takes to win.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1574639559472598&set=vb.1489952987941256&type=2&theater
That would have counted as a down moment in the Connacht final..
How many black cards have Tyrone got in the under 21 championship this year so far. I make in 5 in 3 matches - and one red. Maybe that is what Captain Obvious is getting at.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 08, 2015, 11:53:31 PM
Tyrone will have their eyes firmly set on the All Ireland now and with their record at underage you can't rule them out. Roscommon should be forewarned as Tyrone are not in the business of entertaining and will do whatever it takes to win.
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also be forewarned. Any more statements like this should be prefixed with 'plonkers viewpoint.'
I was at last night's game & I found it most entertaining especially the second half.
Yes, there were 14 men behind the ball at times but there were also some great scores taken & nothing was gotten easy.
A proper final.
Tipperary (U21 FC v Cork) – Evan Comerford; Kevin Fahey, Jimmy Feehan, Colm O'Shaughnessy; Ross Mulcahy, Luke Boland, Bill Maher; Steven O'Brien, Liam Casey; Jason Lonergan, Ian Fahey, Paul Shanahan; Kevin O'Halloran, Josh Keane, Paul Maher
Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2015, 09:34:58 PM
No chance it's Sligo. Pearse, Mullingar or Breffni (Pearse and Mullingar are truly neutral venues, however) if it's a standalone. I can see scope for a double header in Tullamore no matter which Munster team wins, though.
How would a two venues less than an hour from the majority of Roscommon fans and well over two hours from the majority of Tyrone fans be truly neutral? Clones or Enniskillen would be slightly closer to Omagh than Roscommon, Sligo slightly closer to Roscommon, but Cavan will almost certainly get the shout - unless they want to go with a double header of course.
http://balls.ie/gaa/crazy-gaa-result-weekend/
They also used a picture of last year's U21s. The bastards.
While it sounds like the game last night didn't hit the heights of the other two U21 provincial finals it sounded like a decent enough game with a very competitive finish.
Can anyone explain the logic in not broadcasting these games?
You imagine that the U21 management team are pretty much nailed on to replace Harte next year after winning an Ulster title.
Munster final Tipp 0-5 Cork 0-1, Colin Riordan plays and is playing well. Tipp seem to be well on top at the moment.
Tipp 0-7 Cork 0-2 18 minutes gone. Tipp's Stephen O'Brien sounds like the games outstanding player so far. Surprising the way the game is going so far as Cork would have been favourites and Tipp are short a few forwards.
Tipp 0-8 Cork 0-4 with the first half coming to a close.
Goal for Cork on the stroke of half time, could be decisive. HT Tipp 0-8 Cork 1-4.
Tipperary won the minor fixture between the two in 2012. Six point lead to just one point at break a good comeback by cork and it makes for interesting second half.
Another goal for Cork at the start of the second half!
Tipp 0-10 Cork 2-5, about 5 minutes gone in the second half.
Goal Tipp!! This one is really warming up now, Tipp 1-11 Cork 2-5.
Tips hit the post but get a point out of it and now Tipp lead by 4 points with 10 left, right good game now.
2-7 to 1-13 now.
Goal Cork!! Cork 3-7 Tipp 1-15, 2 in it.
Tipp 1-15 Cork 3-8, Tipp 1 up time though is up, no sign of additional time.
Cork miss with the last kick off the game and Tipp are champions on a scoreline of 1-15 to 3-8, sounded like a great game.
Only Roscommon and Dublin defended their titles this year.
Well done Tipperary Munster champions for only the 2nd time? Exciting finish would have been cruel if Tipperary let it slip.
Delighted for the Tipp lads. Absolutely delighted for them. Such an important win for Tipp football, just to keep the momentum going. Thrilled for them. Fair play Tommy and the lads.
Good win for Tipp. O Riordan was fit to start, which would have been a big help.
great win for tipp,
Congrats to Tipp, absolutely brilliant achievement. With all due respect to them, you'd get sick ,year after year, of watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Cork etc winning everything in sight at all age levels. This win will mean more to Tipperary people than it would have done in Cork..What the Gaa really needs now is a Tipperary v Roscommon Final.
Fair play to Tipp. Munster needs them to break up the Cork / Kerry duopoly. I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that they had targeted a Senior football All-Ireland by 2020. Good on them to keep at it.
Congrats Tipp, mighty stuff! :)
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 09, 2015, 09:08:34 PM
Congrats to Tipp, absolutely brilliant achievement. With all due respect to them, you'd get sick ,year after year, of watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Cork etc winning everything in sight at all age levels. This win will mean more to Tipperary people than it would have done in Cork..What the Gaa really needs now is a Tipperary v Roscommon Final.
I really couldn't care who we got if we beat Tyrone. And we or Tipp are hardly Cinderellas at underage these days. Time to become the team that annoys others with their consistency.
Syferus, compared to the long standing traditions of Dublin, Kerry and Cork, the likes of Ros and Tipp are indeed cinderellas at underage level, and that was my original point.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 09, 2015, 09:19:58 PM
Syferus, compared to the long standing traditions of Dublin, Kerry and Cork, the likes of Ros and Tipp are indeed cinderellas at underage level, and that was my original point.
Tyrone moved past that phase themselves. It's only natural that we have to as well if we have ambition.
I want to see a Ros v Dublin Final. Roscommon have boxed far above their weight at underage for a number of years, played fantastic football and been involved in some wonderful games. They deserve a chance to get another crack at Dublin and bring back the All Ireland. Smith, Murtagh and Costello are the 3 best U21 players in Ireland.
O'Riordan from Tipp is a savage footballer.
Delighted for Tipp and especially to hear O'Riordan was fit to play and played so well after his unfortunate injury against Sligo.
Quote from: Westside on April 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM
I want to see a Ros v Dublin Final. Roscommon have boxed far above their weight at underage for a number of years, played fantastic football and been involved in some wonderful games. They deserve a chance to get another crack at Dublin and bring back the All Ireland. Smith, Murtagh and Costello are the 3 best U21 players in Ireland.
Thanks for the sentiment.. but watch out for Harney. The lad is every bit as talented as Murtagh and Smith, he had injury troubles last year but still scored that screamer of a goal against Cork. My MotM in the Connacht final. He was great for the 2013 minors when they played Tyrone in an AISF as well so it will be interesting how he gets on this time. McKenna was some player for that Tyrone team too.
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2015, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 09, 2015, 09:08:34 PM
Congrats to Tipp, absolutely brilliant achievement. With all due respect to them, you'd get sick ,year after year, of watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Cork etc winning everything in sight at all age levels. This win will mean more to Tipperary people than it would have done in Cork..What the Gaa really needs now is a Tipperary v Roscommon Final.
I really couldn't care who we got if we beat Tyrone. And we or Tipp are hardly Cinderellas at underage these days. Time to become the team that annoys others with their consistency.
A bit like you Syf. :D
Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2015, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 09, 2015, 09:08:34 PM
Congrats to Tipp, absolutely brilliant achievement. With all due respect to them, you'd get sick ,year after year, of watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Cork etc winning everything in sight at all age levels. This win will mean more to Tipperary people than it would have done in Cork..What the Gaa really needs now is a Tipperary v Roscommon Final.
I really couldn't care who we got if we beat Tyrone. And we or Tipp are hardly Cinderellas at underage these days. Time to become the team that annoys others with their consistency.
A bit like you Syf. :D
Someone has to be right.
Serious win for Tipperary. Fair play to them. Hope they get some backing from GAA people and the board in the county and push on at Senior level.
Cork management have been getting away with poor decisions due to the talent at their disposal, but it caught up with them eventually. Kerry could easily have beaten them with a bit of tactical nous as they were brutal in the middle of the field. Ian Maguire a huge loss to them in fairness.
Dublin-Tipp is down for Tullamore.
Quote from: tippabu on April 09, 2015, 11:08:30 PM
Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
They were saying pretty much the same on their prospects against Cork all week,best not to be driven by media opinion but drive it by your own success.Wonderful win for The Premier and I dare say there`ll be an extra bit o swagger with the tipp boys and girls round town this weekend,aris abu.
Dublin 5/4
Roscommon 5/4
Tyrone 13/2
Tipp 7/1
Quote from: mjg on April 10, 2015, 10:44:27 AM
Dublin 5/4
Roscommon 5/4
Tyrone 13/2
Tipp 7/1
With a strong interest in underage and colleges football I have seen quite a few of these lads progressing in all 4 provinces. I would place Dublin as odds on favs followed by Tipperary and Roscommon with Tyrone as the weakest of the 4
Ros v the moanies Breffni Pk 7pm Sat 18th.
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Quote from: tippabu on April 09, 2015, 11:08:30 PM
Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
They were saying pretty much the same on their prospects against Cork all week,best not to be driven by media opinion but drive it by your own success.Wonderful win for The Premier and I dare say there`ll be an extra bit o swagger with the tipp boys and girls round town this weekend,aris abu.
I was saying that but I also believed it, I thought cork were better than they actually were. I presume Dublin had scouts down and will have a game plan to deal with our influential players. Last night we made two subs, 1 through injury, I think that shows that we haven't really the depth. We'll travel to tullamore in hope rather than expectation but it will be a massive shock if we pull off a win
Dublin didn't look overly convincing in the Leinster Final. Their full forward line is exceptional but they can't do anything without the ball. Kildare just didn't have the strength at midfield to get on top for long enough.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2015, 01:52:55 PM
Ros v the moanies Breffni Pk 7pm Sat 18th.
Why so late.
Tipp will utterly dominate Dublin at midfield if the Dubs are weak there. Tipp probably have the best U21 midfield in Ireland, possibly by a long way. Tipp's problem could be getting enough scores from their possession as the Dubs have a good backline and the forwards to make good use of their possession.
Could be a venue change for tyrone v ros game.
Quote from: tippabu on April 10, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
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Quote from: tippabu on April 09, 2015, 11:08:30 PM
Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
They were saying pretty much the same on their prospects against Cork all week,best not to be driven by media opinion but drive it by your own success.Wonderful win for The Premier and I dare say there`ll be an extra bit o swagger with the tipp boys and girls round town this weekend,aris abu.
I was saying that but I also believed it, I thought cork were better than they actually were. I presume Dublin had scouts down and will have a game plan to deal with our influential players. Last night we made two subs, 1 through injury, I think that shows that we haven't really the depth. We'll travel to tullamore in hope rather than expectation but it will be a massive shock if we pull off a win
Eh, the guts of that team won the AI minor in 2011. Biteen of Kerrying there I think.
Some of the Dublin players anyway will be still sore after that minor defeat and won't lack for motivation.
Will be close.
Really looking forward to seeing this Roscommon team in flesh on TG4 . Have gone into joint favourites now I see so must have some amount of money wagered on them.
Quote from: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 02:42:05 PM
Tipp will utterly dominate Dublin at midfield if the Dubs are weak there. Tipp probably have the best U21 midfield in Ireland, possibly by a long way. Tipp's problem could be getting enough scores from their possession as the Dubs have a good backline and the forwards to make good use of their possession.
Cunningham,Carthy are a good midfield pairing for Dublin I'm not sure about their defence though as they have leaked alot of scores against Laois,Longford and Kildare.
Although they have conceded a fair bit I think they've a good few defenders that will challenge for a senior spot in the years to come so I don't think they're a weak link. Cathy is certainly a fine footballer, potentially a great one. I'm not really familiar with Cunningham but O'Brien and Riordan are exceptional midfielders and Dublin will do well to challenge that pair.
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Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
They were saying pretty much the same on their prospects against Cork all week,best not to be driven by media opinion but drive it by your own success.Wonderful win for The Premier and I dare say there`ll be an extra bit o swagger with the tipp boys and girls round town this weekend,aris abu.
I was saying that but I also believed it, I thought cork were better than they actually were. I presume Dublin had scouts down and will have a game plan to deal with our influential players. Last night we made two subs, 1 through injury, I think that shows that we haven't really the depth. We'll travel to tullamore in hope rather than expectation but it will be a massive shock if we pull off a win
Eh, the guts of that team won the AI minor in 2011. Biteen of Kerrying there I think.
Some of the Dublin players anyway will be still sore after that minor defeat and won't lack for motivation.
Will be close.
Really looking forward to seeing this Roscommon team in flesh on TG4 . Have gone into joint favourites now I see so must have some amount of money wagered on them.
Isn't there something only six 2011 panelists available to Tipp this year? This U21 team is the guts of the team team that followed the AI winners. They won their year's Munster minor title too. If they can beat Cork they can beat Dublin.
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 10, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: tippabu on April 10, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
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Quote from: tippabu on April 09, 2015, 11:08:30 PM
Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
They were saying pretty much the same on their prospects against Cork all week,best not to be driven by media opinion but drive it by your own success.Wonderful win for The Premier and I dare say there`ll be an extra bit o swagger with the tipp boys and girls round town this weekend,aris abu.
I was saying that but I also believed it, I thought cork were better than they actually were. I presume Dublin had scouts down and will have a game plan to deal with our influential players. Last night we made two subs, 1 through injury, I think that shows that we haven't really the depth. We'll travel to tullamore in hope rather than expectation but it will be a massive shock if we pull off a win
Eh, the guts of that team won the AI minor in 2011. Biteen of Kerrying there I think.
Some of the Dublin players anyway will be still sore after that minor defeat and won't lack for motivation.
Will be close.
Really looking forward to seeing this Roscommon team in flesh on TG4 . Have gone into joint favourites now I see so must have some amount of money wagered on them.
Isn't there something only six 2011 panelists available to Tipp this year? This U21 team is the guts of the team team that followed the AI winners. They won their year's Munster minor title too. If they can beat Cork they can beat Dublin.
Maybe they can . If we turn up in good form I doubt they will beat us. I wasn't expecting Cork to beat us either . Dublin were AI minor champions in 2012 at this grades players
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Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
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Quote from: cuconnacht on April 10, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: tippabu on April 09, 2015, 11:08:30 PM
Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
They were saying pretty much the same on their prospects against Cork all week,best not to be driven by media opinion but drive it by your own success.Wonderful win for The Premier and I dare say there`ll be an extra bit o swagger with the tipp boys and girls round town this weekend,aris abu.
I was saying that but I also believed it, I thought cork were better than they actually were. I presume Dublin had scouts down and will have a game plan to deal with our influential players. Last night we made two subs, 1 through injury, I think that shows that we haven't really the depth. We'll travel to tullamore in hope rather than expectation but it will be a massive shock if we pull off a win
Eh, the guts of that team won the AI minor in 2011. Biteen of Kerrying there I think.
Some of the Dublin players anyway will be still sore after that minor defeat and won't lack for motivation.
Will be close.
Really looking forward to seeing this Roscommon team in flesh on TG4 . Have gone into joint favourites now I see so must have some amount of money wagered on them.
Isn't there something only six 2011 panelists available to Tipp this year? This U21 team is the guts of the team team that followed the AI winners. They won their year's Munster minor title too. If they can beat Cork they can beat Dublin.
Maybe they can . If we turn up in good form I doubt they will beat us. I wasn't expecting Cork to beat us either . Dublin were AI minor champions in 2012 at this grades players
Still think the team that lost to Tipp were a better Dublin minor team. The 2012 team was mainly Costello taking games by the scruff of the neck. Not unlike like that year's minor hurling team, actually. And ye did get gimmes in the Leinster and AI finals, Lord knows how Mayo bungled their AISF against Meath but they managed to anyways. We played the Kerry team off the field in our AIQF but couldn't shoot for shite and they put up little resistant to that Dublin team in the AISF too.
Clearly the panel has developed in the intervening years, though.
Roscommon will play Tyrone on Saturday 18th April at 6pm in the All Ireland U-21 semi final in Markievicz Park, Sligo
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 10, 2015, 03:51:32 PM
Roscommon will play Tyrone on Saturday 18th April at 6pm in the All Ireland U-21 semi final in Markievicz Park, Sligo
Much better, but what the hell caused the immediate change?
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2015, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 10, 2015, 03:51:32 PM
Roscommon will play Tyrone on Saturday 18th April at 6pm in the All Ireland U-21 semi final in Markievicz Park, Sligo
Much better, but what hell caused the immediate change?
7pm in Cavan was far too late, yeah it's very unusual to have it changed so soon after the initial announcement.
A nice run up the N61 and N4 is better than batin yer way through the twisty roads of Laythrum not to mention Killeshandra.
I heard Breffni is being used for some other purposes that day??
Told ye it might go to Sligo, lets hope its a fine day and no wind, sligo can be very windy at times, the small pitch will suit Tyrone and their non game stop football at all costs system, they played it in the minor semi final a couple of years ago against us and our sideline did not react and they won a game they should have been beaten out the door in, thankfully Mayo were ready for them in the final and did beat them out the door. Wont be a game like Tuam but I think the Rossies have enough to get the win.
Quote from: mjg on April 10, 2015, 10:44:27 AM
Dublin 5/4
Roscommon 5/4
Tyrone 13/2
Tipp 7/1
Great value on Tyrone.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 10, 2015, 07:19:50 PM
Told ye it might go to Sligo, lets hope its a fine day and no wind, sligo can be very windy at times, the small pitch will suit Tyrone and their non game stop football at all costs system, they played it in the minor semi final a couple of years ago against us and our sideline did not react and they won a game they should have been beaten out the door in, thankfully Mayo were ready for them in the final and did beat them out the door. Wont be a game like Tuam but I think the Rossies have enough to get the win.
Mayo won by one score. 2-13 to 1-13.
Beat them in every line of the field, Tyrone were lucky not to have lost by ten.
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2015, 03:49:47 PM
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Quote from: cuconnacht on April 10, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: tippabu on April 09, 2015, 11:08:30 PM
Brilliant performance tonight, we were far better than cork who after Vaughan were very limited. I wasn't overly optimistic tonight given all the players we are missing but got brilliant performances throughout. I don't think we have anywhere near enough for Dublin, tonight we only used two subs one was for an injury, weak enough bench. That's for another day though, let's just celebrate this tonight. To the person who named 3 players as "the " best at under 21, trust me Stephen o brien and Colin o riordan are up there with as good as you'll see, Colin under 21 again next year
They were saying pretty much the same on their prospects against Cork all week,best not to be driven by media opinion but drive it by your own success.Wonderful win for The Premier and I dare say there`ll be an extra bit o swagger with the tipp boys and girls round town this weekend,aris abu.
I was saying that but I also believed it, I thought cork were better than they actually were. I presume Dublin had scouts down and will have a game plan to deal with our influential players. Last night we made two subs, 1 through injury, I think that shows that we haven't really the depth. We'll travel to tullamore in hope rather than expectation but it will be a massive shock if we pull off a win
Eh, the guts of that team won the AI minor in 2011. Biteen of Kerrying there I think.
Some of the Dublin players anyway will be still sore after that minor defeat and won't lack for motivation.
Will be close.
Really looking forward to seeing this Roscommon team in flesh on TG4 . Have gone into joint favourites now I see so must have some amount of money wagered on them.
Isn't there something only six 2011 panelists available to Tipp this year? This U21 team is the guts of the team team that followed the AI winners. They won their year's Munster minor title too. If they can beat Cork they can beat Dublin.
Maybe they can . If we turn up in good form I doubt they will beat us. I wasn't expecting Cork to beat us either . Dublin were AI minor champions in 2012 at this grades players
Still think the team that lost to Tipp were a better Dublin minor team. The 2012 team was mainly Costello taking games by the scruff of the neck. Not unlike like that year's minor hurling team, actually. And ye did get gimmes in the Leinster and AI finals, Lord knows how Mayo bungled their AISF against Meath but they managed to anyways. We played the Kerry team off the field in our AIQF but couldn't shoot for shite and they put up little resistant to that Dublin team in the AISF too.
Clearly the panel has developed in the intervening years, though.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Conor Mc Hugh has developed into one of the best u21's in the country. Two lads off the minors last year Collie Basquel and eoin Murchan have been stars this year. This team is a far better team then won the 2012 AI Minor Title and it will be hard bet.
I'm a lot more confident now then I was a few weeks back. I'd expect us to make the final- not sure after that.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 10, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
Beat them in every line of the field, Tyrone were lucky not to have lost by ten.
Wouldn't agree. In the first half Mayo were held scoreless from play were behind 0-5 to 0-4 and scored a goal just before the break that was a turning point that set Mayo on their way to winning that final.
Not much point discussing that team, that will be next years U21 team. The main player on that team for Tyrone is playing AFL now, Conor McKenna
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 10, 2015, 09:35:22 PM
Not much point discussing that team, that will be next years U21 team. The main player on that team for Tyrone is playing AFL now, Conor McKenna
I was listening to the Ulster final on Ocean FM and there was a McKenna for Tyrone playing, I'd thought it was that lad. Is he related?
Is Frank Burns(If I recall his name correctly) playing for the Tyrone U-21s? He really stood out in that minor team playing the sweeper role.
Arguably the main players from the 2012 and 2013 Tyrone minor teams are not playing anymore. What has happened James McGahan since minor level? As for the 2013 minor match between Tyrone and Roscommon, the best team won that day fair and square.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 10, 2015, 10:36:52 PM
Is Frank Burns(If I recall his name correctly) playing for the Tyrone U-21s? He really stood out in that minor team playing the sweeper role.
Yep, played in the win against Donegal on Wednesday evening.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 10, 2015, 11:49:43 PM
Arguably the main players from the 2012 and 2013 Tyrone minor teams are not playing anymore. What has happened James McGahan since minor level? As for the 2013 minor match between Tyrone and Roscommon, the best team won that day fair and square.
Please don't mention fairness. Your fair team kicked away our keeper's kick-out at one stage in that match.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 10, 2015, 11:49:43 PM
Arguably the main players from the 2012 and 2013 Tyrone minor teams are not playing anymore. What has happened James McGahan since minor level? As for the 2013 minor match between Tyrone and Roscommon, the best team won that day fair and square.
That's very debatable :P Almost 2 years ago now so leave it be.
That minor match aside and back to the topic at hand, not overly keen on the venue tbh. It's certainly more convenient than a late trek to Cavan but Markievicz is a very tight pitch, can't see that suiting us.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 10, 2015, 11:57:21 PM
That minor match aside and back to the topic at hand, not overly keen on the venue tbh. It's certainly more convenient than a late trek to Cavan but Markievicz is a very tight pitch, can't see that suiting us.
Breffni is supposed to be very heavy. Marky is at least a half decent surface and that suits runners like Harney and Smith more. I do think the width of pitches is over-played sometimes, even a 'small' gaelic pitch is a large playing area. We saw what Tyrone did in Croke Park two years ago and what Sligo did in Marky last year so if we need a guide for that stuff we have it.
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2015, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 10, 2015, 11:57:21 PM
That minor match aside and back to the topic at hand, not overly keen on the venue tbh. It's certainly more convenient than a late trek to Cavan but Markievicz is a very tight pitch, can't see that suiting us.
Breffni is supposed to be very heavy. Marky is at least a half decent surface and that suits runners like Harney and Smith more. I do think the width of pitches is over-played sometimes, even a 'small' gaelic pitch is a large playing area. We saw what Tyrone did in Croke Park two years ago and what Sligo did in Marky last year so if we need a guide for that stuff we have it.
Fair point, and considering our attacking strengths a decent playing surface definitely more important :P
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2015, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 10, 2015, 11:57:21 PM
That minor match aside and back to the topic at hand, not overly keen on the venue tbh. It's certainly more convenient than a late trek to Cavan but Markievicz is a very tight pitch, can't see that suiting us.
Breffni is supposed to be very heavy. Marky is at least a half decent surface and that suits runners like Harney and Smith more. I do think the width of pitches is over-played sometimes, even a 'small' gaelic pitch is a large playing area. We saw what Tyrone did in Croke Park two years ago and what Sligo did in Marky last year so if we need a guide for that stuff we have it.
Tyrone will hardly give them a chance to run.
Roscommon may have better players overall but Tyrone have some very decent players and a way of playing that is very effective. They are also very good at stopping the oppositions best players playing.
Black catd will be a big help in this game
Quote from: mjg on April 11, 2015, 02:08:06 AM
Black catd will be a big help in this game
Tyrone have picked up 5 black cards in 3 under 21 matches. They won every game.
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Quote from: mjg on April 11, 2015, 02:08:06 AM
Black catd will be a big help in this game
Tyrone have picked up 5 black cards in 3 under 21 matches. They won every game.
That many!?! They really are intent on stopping the opposition playing then :P
If this thread is anything to go by, Ros must be overwhelming favourites
Match odds
Dublin 2/5 Tipperary 5/2 Draw 15/2
Roscommon 4/9 Tyrone 9/4 Draw 15/2
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 11, 2015, 07:34:34 AM
If this thread is anything to go by, Ros must be overwhelming favourites
Only if there's a strong ref it seems.
How does one judge Roscommon to have the 'better' players? Have both teams been watched frequently? What have the feeder teams to both these u-21 teams achieved? Tyrones teams at underage level have been as good as there is on average, and this present squad is made up of players who won the 2012 Ulster Minor title, were All Ireland minor runners up in 2013 and have loads of players from fairly successful college teams. Roscommon must have cleaned up at minor level as they are apparently unbeatable
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 11, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
How does one judge Roscommon to have the 'better' players? Have both teams been watched frequently? What have the feeder teams to both these u-21 teams achieved? Tyrones teams at underage level have been as good as there is on average, and this present squad is made up of players who won the 2012 Ulster Minor title, were All Ireland minor runners up in 2013 and have loads of players from fairly successful college teams. Roscommon must have cleaned up at minor level as they are apparently unbeatable
Sure we only won the 2014 AI U21 Title, the corresponding 2012 AI Minor Title, AI minor semi-finalists in 2014. We've no chance.
nrico the best team at not playing football won in 2013 minor, my original post pointed this out, now if you want to take match results(and maybe thats all that matters) Tyrone may be slightly ahead over the last couple of meetings but as regards footballers in our team and lads who go out to play the game well Ros are a mile ahead, ulster teams have destroyed our game (except Down), have turned people away and televisions off with cynicle tactics and unsporting conduct, I see richie is denying doing the gooch when the whole country saw what was going on and maybe ye have 3 senior all-irelands but along with Donegals and Armaghs medals the shine is tainted at the expense of the game of football that we all love.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 11, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
How does one judge Roscommon to have the 'better' players? Have both teams been watched frequently? What have the feeder teams to both these u-21 teams achieved? Tyrones teams at underage level have been as good as there is on average, and this present squad is made up of players who won the 2012 Ulster Minor title, were All Ireland minor runners up in 2013 and have loads of players from fairly successful college teams. Roscommon must have cleaned up at minor level as they are apparently unbeatable
Who's said we're unbeatable? :P That 2013 team got very lucky and the scoreline in the AI final flattered them.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
nrico the best team at not playing football won in 2013 minor, my original post pointed this out, now if you want to take match results(and maybe thats all that matters) Tyrone may be slightly ahead over the last couple of meetings but as regards footballers in our team and lads who go out to play the game well Ros are a mile ahead, ulster teams have destroyed our game (except Down), have turned people away and televisions off with cynicle tactics and unsporting conduct, I see richie is denying doing the gooch when the whole country saw what was going on and maybe ye have 3 senior all-irelands but along with Donegals and Armaghs medals the shine is tainted at the expense of the game of football that we all love.
I'd say you know loads about the footballers in the Tyrone team to make that claim alright. ???
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
nrico the best team at not playing football won in 2013 minor, my original post pointed this out, now if you want to take match results(and maybe thats all that matters) Tyrone may be slightly ahead over the last couple of meetings but as regards footballers in our team and lads who go out to play the game well Ros are a mile ahead, ulster teams have destroyed our game (except Down), have turned people away and televisions off with cynicle tactics and unsporting conduct, I see richie is denying doing the gooch when the whole country saw what was going on and maybe ye have 3 senior all-irelands but along with Donegals and Armaghs medals the shine is tainted at the expense of the game of football that we all love.
Aye fair play to Down for resisting the temptation to play men behind the ball. Down still play the game the right way.
It's a pity the others wouldn't do the same.
:o
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
nrico the best team at not playing football won in 2013 minor, my original post pointed this out, now if you want to take match results(and maybe thats all that matters) Tyrone may be slightly ahead over the last couple of meetings but as regards footballers in our team and lads who go out to play the game well Ros are a mile ahead, ulster teams have destroyed our game (except Down), have turned people away and televisions off with cynicle tactics and unsporting conduct, I see richie is denying doing the gooch when the whole country saw what was going on and maybe ye have 3 senior all-irelands but along with Donegals and Armaghs medals the shine is tainted at the expense of the game of football that we all love.
And we all know what they say about opinions.
Quote from: orangeman on April 11, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
nrico the best team at not playing football won in 2013 minor, my original post pointed this out, now if you want to take match results(and maybe thats all that matters) Tyrone may be slightly ahead over the last couple of meetings but as regards footballers in our team and lads who go out to play the game well Ros are a mile ahead, ulster teams have destroyed our game (except Down), have turned people away and televisions off with cynicle tactics and unsporting conduct, I see richie is denying doing the gooch when the whole country saw what was going on and maybe ye have 3 senior all-irelands but along with Donegals and Armaghs medals the shine is tainted at the expense of the game of football that we all love.
Aye fair play to Down for resisting the temptation to play men behind the ball. Down still play the game the right way.
It's a pity the others wouldn't do the same.
:o
Poor oul Fermanagh and Antrim dragged into the mire i see.
Funny thing about analysis these days, expert or otherwise, its impossible to tell the difference between the wind up merchant, flippant comment, amadan and genius.
Way out to the fresh air the lot of ye.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
nrico the best team at not playing football won in 2013 minor, my original post pointed this out, now if you want to take match results(and maybe thats all that matters) Tyrone may be slightly ahead over the last couple of meetings but as regards footballers in our team and lads who go out to play the game well Ros are a mile ahead, ulster teams have destroyed our game (except Down), have turned people away and televisions off with cynicle tactics and unsporting conduct, I see richie is denying doing the gooch when the whole country saw what was going on and maybe ye have 3 senior all-irelands but along with Donegals and Armaghs medals the shine is tainted at the expense of the game of football that we all love.
I wouldn't give two fúcks about boo boys if we won the amount of AIs Tyrone have by playing way they did. I doubt they do either. Sure CBS got the 'puke' treatment from Radio Kerry today, this a county that won last year's AI by imitating Donegal.
Lots of hypocrisy in the GAA. All we should be worried about is how to beat Tyrone on Saturday.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
nrico the best team at not playing football won in 2013 minor, my original post pointed this out, now if you want to take match results(and maybe thats all that matters) Tyrone may be slightly ahead over the last couple of meetings but as regards footballers in our team and lads who go out to play the game well Ros are a mile ahead, ulster teams have destroyed our game (except Down), have turned people away and televisions off with cynicle tactics and unsporting conduct, I see richie is denying doing the gooch when the whole country saw what was going on and maybe ye have 3 senior all-irelands but along with Donegals and Armaghs medals the shine is tainted at the expense of the game of football that we all love.
An idiot is missing his village (with apologies to all decent Ros folk over the age of 10)! :P ;)
Look if people had the choice to either lose playing good football or win playing ugly, I'm sure most would go with the latter.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 11, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Look if people had the choice to either lose playing good football or win playing ugly, I'm sure most would go with the latter.
I remember Spillane before he learnt 'puke' sneeringly calling the way we played 'glamour football'. It's all one big rigged game to create noise.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 11, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Look if people had the choice to either lose playing good football or win playing ugly, I'm sure most would go with the latter.
Problem is many people seem to be happy to see their team lose ugly without ever trying to win playing good football.
Who's happy to lose Zulu??
Rossfan, it's a daft question to ask if you'd rather lose playing good football or win playing ugly as it's the same thing as asking if you'd rather win or lose? However, Tyrone posters have been defending their defensive football while getting relegated, some lads are defending Roscommon CBS today who lost, Donegal posters defend Donegal who haven't won an All Ireland over the past two years and won't win it this year so supporters seem to be defending ultra negative football while losing. The mass defence stuff has been figured out and I don't think you'll see anyone win anything of note playing that way anymore yet some people seem to defend it even when it no longer gets results so I'm presuming they are fine with losing as long as it's a by a bit less than if they went for it.
It must be nice not supporting teams. Looking at a sport as some sort of curio to be admired or maligned. It's not reality.
I wouldn't want any team I support not to give themselves the very best chance to win because of aesthetics.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 08:39:57 PM
Rossfan, it's a daft question to ask if you'd rather lose playing good football or win playing ugly as it's the same thing as asking if you'd rather win or lose? However, Tyrone posters have been defending their defensive football while getting relegated, some lads are defending Roscommon CBS today who lost, Donegal posters defend Donegal who haven't won an All Ireland over the past two years and won't win it this year so supporters seem to be defending ultra negative football while losing. The mass defence stuff has been figured out and I don't think you'll see anyone win anything of note playing that way anymore yet some people seem to defend it even when it no longer gets results so I'm presuming they are fine with losing as long as it's a by a bit less than if they went for it.
This thread is going down the same route of about 10 other threads but anyway, Zulu, if you were in charge of Offaly or Longford going to Croke Park to play the Dubs in the first round of the Leinster Championship. How would you set the team up?
Yeah that's it alright ::) ::) ::) But sure lets reduce the game to win at all costs and prioritise the short term satisfaction of a few while not worrying about the game overall. Unlike you, I played and coached the game from the lowest to the highest levels and I'm concerned about the direction the game is going. I completely understand why a coach might employ certain tactics but they are no longer particularly effective so they only serve to produce poor games without the payoff of a result.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2015, 08:51:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 08:39:57 PM
Rossfan, it's a daft question to ask if you'd rather lose playing good football or win playing ugly as it's the same thing as asking if you'd rather win or lose? However, Tyrone posters have been defending their defensive football while getting relegated, some lads are defending Roscommon CBS today who lost, Donegal posters defend Donegal who haven't won an All Ireland over the past two years and won't win it this year so supporters seem to be defending ultra negative football while losing. The mass defence stuff has been figured out and I don't think you'll see anyone win anything of note playing that way anymore yet some people seem to defend it even when it no longer gets results so I'm presuming they are fine with losing as long as it's a by a bit less than if they went for it.
This thread is going down the same route of about 10 other threads but anyway, Zulu, if you were in charge of Offaly or Longford going to Croke Park to play the Dubs in the first round of the Leinster Championship. How would you set the team up?
I'm not sure Benny though I might well set up defensively to give my team a better chance but Offaly or Longford are recently promoted division 4 sides. If I was managing Tyrone or Donegal I certainly wouldn't get 14 behind the ball as those teams can do as well by being more adventurous than that.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2015, 08:51:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 08:39:57 PM
Rossfan, it's a daft question to ask if you'd rather lose playing good football or win playing ugly as it's the same thing as asking if you'd rather win or lose? However, Tyrone posters have been defending their defensive football while getting relegated, some lads are defending Roscommon CBS today who lost, Donegal posters defend Donegal who haven't won an All Ireland over the past two years and won't win it this year so supporters seem to be defending ultra negative football while losing. The mass defence stuff has been figured out and I don't think you'll see anyone win anything of note playing that way anymore yet some people seem to defend it even when it no longer gets results so I'm presuming they are fine with losing as long as it's a by a bit less than if they went for it.
This thread is going down the same route of about 10 other threads but anyway, Zulu, if you were in charge of Offaly or Longford going to Croke Park to play the Dubs in the first round of the Leinster Championship. How would you set the team up?
I'm not sure Benny though I might well set up defensively to give my team a better chance but Offaly or Longford are recently promoted division 4 sides. If I was managing Tyrone or Donegal I certainly wouldn't get 14 behind the ball as those teams can do as well by being more adventurous than that.
But the concept is the same whether you are a Tyrone or an Offaly. You set up your team to give you the best chance of a victory. At what point do you cross over to be a team that's too good to set up defensively.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 08:54:13 PM
Yeah that's it alright ::) ::) ::) But sure lets reduce the game to win at all costs and prioritise the short term satisfaction of a few while not worrying about the game overall. Unlike you, I played and coached the game from the lowest to the highest levels and I'm concerned about the direction the game is going. I completely understand why a coach might employ certain tactics but they are no longer particularly effective so they only serve to produce poor games without the payoff of a result.
OK, Johnno.
As a supporter of a particular team I'd always want that team to win no matter a damn what way they did it.
As a neutral armchair viewer I want to see games like last year's three All Ireland Semi finals.
The administrators of the game should always be looking at ways of ensuring the games are better to watch, and rewarding atticking flair etc. But first they need to look at allowing defenders to defend . The man with the ball can do anything - 7 or 8 steps, hand off into the face, jump into a back and God knows what else and no free against him. Not to mention catching the tacklers hand!!!
Once a defender makes any challenge it's nearly always a free and if he doesn't get one all he has to do is hit the deck and it's a nailed on free.
Let defenders defend - even if a new tackle has to come about.
I wouldn't set up a team as Donegal have for example, i.e. you play 12-14 behind the ball whoever you play. However, I would have it in my bag of tactics so if I felt we were well outgunned we could use it or if the other crowd were ultra defensive that we would keep our half back line in place. However, I would (I hope) always prepare a team that goes out to win any game it can by playing positive kicking football. As long as we had a reasonable chance of beating a team in a traditional game of football thats how we'd play and if I was the manager of Tyrone or Donegal I think I'd be confident of that against most teams.
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2015, 09:02:30 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 08:54:13 PM
Yeah that's it alright ::) ::) ::) But sure lets reduce the game to win at all costs and prioritise the short term satisfaction of a few while not worrying about the game overall. Unlike you, I played and coached the game from the lowest to the highest levels and I'm concerned about the direction the game is going. I completely understand why a coach might employ certain tactics but they are no longer particularly effective so they only serve to produce poor games without the payoff of a result.
OK, Johnno.
Who's Johnno and what does that mean?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2015, 09:04:49 PM
As a supporter of a particular team I'd always want that team to win no matter a damn what way they did it.
As a neutral armchair viewer I want to see games like last year's three All Ireland Semi finals.
The administrators of the game should always be looking at ways of ensuring the games are better to watch, and rewarding atticking flair etc. But first they need to look at allowing defenders to defend . The man with the ball can do anything - 7 or 8 steps, hand off into the face, jump into a back and God knows what else and no free against him. Not to mention catching the tacklers hand!!!
Once a defender makes any challenge it's nearly always a free and if he doesn't get one all he has to do is hit the deck and it's a nailed on free.
Let defenders defend - even if a new tackle has to come about.
Agree. Today the PCD defender clearly caught the Roscommon corner forwards arm and pulled him down but got the free out which i couldn't believe but that's a different discussion.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2015, 09:04:49 PM
As a supporter of a particular team I'd always want that team to win no matter a damn what way they did it.
As a neutral armchair viewer I want to see games like last year's three All Ireland Semi finals.
The administrators of the game should always be looking at ways of ensuring the games are better to watch, and rewarding atticking flair etc. But first they need to look at allowing defenders to defend . The man with the ball can do anything - 7 or 8 steps, hand off into the face, jump into a back and God knows what else and no free against him. Not to mention catching the tacklers hand!!!
Once a defender makes any challenge it's nearly always a free and if he doesn't get one all he has to do is hit the deck and it's a nailed on free.
Let defenders defend - even if a new tackle has to come about.
Or to boil it down to the immortal words of Ice-T - don't hate the playa, hate the game.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 11, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Look if people had the choice to either lose playing good football or win playing ugly, I'm sure most would go with the latter.
Problem is many people seem to be happy to see their team lose ugly without ever trying to win playing good football.
Thats the bit I struggle with because most of these teams are just training to lose better
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2015, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 11, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Look if people had the choice to either lose playing good football or win playing ugly, I'm sure most would go with the latter.
Problem is many people seem to be happy to see their team lose ugly without ever trying to win playing good football.
Thats the bit I struggle with because most of these teams are just training to lose better
Lose better or give themselves as good a chance as they possibly can of winning?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 11, 2015, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2015, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 11, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Look if people had the choice to either lose playing good football or win playing ugly, I'm sure most would go with the latter.
Problem is many people seem to be happy to see their team lose ugly without ever trying to win playing good football.
Thats the bit I struggle with because most of these teams are just training to lose better
Lose better or give themselves as good a chance as they possibly can of winning?
Tommy these teams never win.
Donegal are a very poor example because they had the players to play a far better system and still win. Its a myth to think these counties can recreate what they did and win. Its just a better form of losing. Somewhere along the line you have to be able to play a bit if you want to win.
Who's to say they are doing that? Making it hard for the other team to score is always likely to keep the score a bit closer but why is necessarily a better way of trying to win the game? If you're a division 1 team I don't think it is, if you're a division 4 team playing a division 1 team then fair enough.
Why are 2015 scoring averages per game in the ascendant, if this anti-football scourge, according to the doomsayers, is growing ever more pervasive? ::)
To get back to the U 21 Championship..,......
I suppose Dublin will bate Tipp handy enough while us and the Tys could go either way.
Should be a good crowd in Markypark while Tullamore will be virtually deserted.
Think Tipp will give Dublin their fill and hope Roscommon beat Tyrone. I reckon a Dublin Roscommon final would be a cracking game.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2015, 10:04:13 PM
To get back to the U 21 Championship..,......
I suppose Dublin will bate Tipp handy enough while us and the Tys could go either way.
Should be a good crowd in Markypark while Tullamore will be virtually deserted.
Let's call a spade a spade all the pressure is on Roscommon to win the u21 this year. You're under exactly the same pressure we were last year and it's not as easy as it looks
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
Horrible. To think I used to play wing forward underage 15 years ago and never crossed in to the defensive half of the field!!
Of course against this modern day tactical stuff it is pure naivity but once we got the ball around the middle or the forwards it was turn quick and let it in to the FF line....
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2015, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2015, 10:04:13 PM
To get back to the U 21 Championship..,......
I suppose Dublin will bate Tipp handy enough while us and the Tys could go either way.
Should be a good crowd in Markypark while Tullamore will be virtually deserted.
Let's call a spade a spade all the pressure is on Roscommon to win the u21 this year. You're under exactly the same pressure we were last year and it's not as easy as it looks
Spade? you are certainly digging for a reaction now :D
Pressure which is mostly for tyres was on us in the Connacht final last Saturday, away to Galway having not beaten them at this level since 1999 & have never in our history won back to back Connacht U21 titles
Since 2010 the team that beat us (Galway twice Dublin three times) has won that All Ireland so if Tyrone win next Saturday it might be worth putting a few euro on them.
P.S hard luck to CBS today a good effort against a fine side. Those looking in from the outside probably don't realise how far CBS have come. Last year CBS were Connacht B level & were knocked out in the 1st round well beaten. Their management took the brave decision to compete at A level. The improvement is all down to solid defensive system & they won their first Connacht A title since 1998 & reached their first ever Hogan cup final.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
holy mo. Number 10 near went for it at a stage and then thought better of it!
Quote from: JoG2 on April 11, 2015, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
holy mo. Number 10 near went for it at a stage and then thought better of it!
I saw that St Eunans side against Pats Cavan in the QF and it was more of the same, they never left their own 40 even when well behind in a knock out game.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
That's indefensible, however, it is a bunch of kids whose understanding of the gameplan they are playing has gone to shite altogether. As you have no doubt gathered, I have no problem with defensive plans, pulling men back etc, but what I've consistently said is that team MUST also attack in waves and get men forward when in possession. That's the aspect of the defensive system that teams seem to forget or maybe, not even work on. I agree, when teams do not apply the attacking aspect to the gameplan it is just a mess.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
I knew St Pats Armagh were winning nothing the last while because there were too many Tyrone teachers coaching them!
Please Benny stop. When your defence is that a bunch of kids don't understand the game plan then you've lost the argument. Schools football should be devoid of that shite.
U21 only please....... >:(
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2015, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 11:04:40 PM
Please Benny stop. When your defence is that a bunch of kids don't understand the game plan then you've lost the argument. Schools football should be devoid of that shite.
Was I defending that? Read my first sentence again there. My point is that it's not always the tactics that's the problem, it's the way in which they are implemented and a defensive system with no thought to attack is wrong and will lead to shite games and this is more likely the lower down the grades we go. Though, I've seen plenty of shite games where both teams kick the ball loads.
Did you not watch the clip through to the end??? I know it was difficult! Eunans eventually turned it over the second the other crowd ran into their blanket, stormed up the field and had it popped over the bar in a matter of seconds. Their tactics worked perfectly. They sat patient, didn't foul (not even putting a hand in!!!), smothered the opposition and burst up the field at pace resulting in a quick score. Absolute bolox of a style but within the rules. Those coaches need brought out and shot. Feck them.
Does anyone know yet who the referee will be for Ros v Tyrone. Whilst we welcome Sligo as the venue, we certainly don't want a Sligo referee!!..The reality is, this is going to be a difficult match for Ros. But you'd expect nothing else from an All Ireland Semi Final. We got a monkey off our back by beating Galway, but we need to get rid of the Tyrone monkey. Our recent record against them at Senior and underage is not good. They'll be well organised and will have their homework done on us..This game could be the exact opposite to the scorefests we witnessed against Sligo and Galway, where we scored a combined 9-32..
Both Duffys are down for it.
One in each half.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 11, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
I knew St Pats Armagh were winning nothing the last while because there were too many Tyrone teachers coaching them!
"The death of Gaelic Football" Exhibit A....f**k me. Did Jerome Quinn get his journalism training from joe Brolly? What a load of w**k.
So anyway, these u21s....
Better hurry up and play this Eugene McGee wants rid of it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-its-high-time-to-ditch-u21-grade-once-and-for-all-31137250.html
I think the U21 grade is a great competition, and provides a vital stepping stone for young lads to stay around county panels until they are ready for senior. In a county like Tipp, the club scene is not strong enough, so unless the young lad is good enough to bring straight into Senior, he would be in danger of stagnating, or worse.
In Tipp we have made a conscious decision to use Junior to keep lads from Minor to U21 who might not be good enough to make U21s until they are of the age, and then from U21 they stay with Junior until they will either make or not make the senior panel.
If U21 is to be done away with, the Junior would need to be made an U23 competition or something, and made more prominent.
Yeah, I think U21s is a good grade. If something was to be done away with, I'd vote for Sigerson over U21s
Quote from: Mac2 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
Better hurry up and play this Eugene McGee wants rid of it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-its-high-time-to-ditch-u21-grade-once-and-for-all-31137250.html
I always enjoy reading Eugene's articles.
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Quote from: Mac2 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
Better hurry up and play this Eugene McGee wants rid of it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-its-high-time-to-ditch-u21-grade-once-and-for-all-31137250.html
McGee continues to amuse.
Gaelic Football may have its flaws but the U21 grade is not one of them! Some of the best inter-county matches I have seen have been at this grade and I would include the recent Connacht Final as one of them - superb game by two teams totally committed to playing attacking football and going at it hammer and tongs over the hour plus.
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
Better hurry up and play this Eugene McGee wants rid of it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-its-high-time-to-ditch-u21-grade-once-and-for-all-31137250.html
McGee continues to amuse.
It would be amusing if he wasn't Chairman of The football Review Committee.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 13, 2015, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
Better hurry up and play this Eugene McGee wants rid of it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-its-high-time-to-ditch-u21-grade-once-and-for-all-31137250.html
McGee continues to amuse.
It would be amusing if he wasn't Chairman of The football Review Committee.
'In most club teams at least half the players are minors at present, '
jesus :-[
Quote from: Mac2 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
Better hurry up and play this Eugene McGee wants rid of it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-its-high-time-to-ditch-u21-grade-once-and-for-all-31137250.html
Wanted to get rid of it back in 2007 but was shot down. This competition has gone from strength to strength since then and it produces some of the best football at any grade. Attendance wise is strong also at U21 level though McGee has the view that nobody notices this grade?
Hang on, I just read the article. It seems he's NOT actually looking to abolish U21, he just wants to combine it and minor into the one grade (U21). Or am I losing it entirely? Or is he. He definitely seems to contradict himself.
QuoteThe hard decision and the correct one for the GAA to face up to is to scrap both U-18 and U-21 as separate entities and opt instead for an U-21 competition at club and county level. There are so many positives for such a proposal that it is astonishing that enough thinking GAA members will not bite the bullet on this.
Combining the two grades is taking a sledgehammer to a problem that needs a surgeon's scalpel. It remains the dumbest, most unambitious proposal that keeps popping up.
Yeah, but does that one sentence not completely contradict the rest of his article? He's going on about there being no need for U21, it serves no purpose blah blah blah, then he says do away with Minor and have it all U21.
Then in the next paragraph he wants U17 and U19 competitions. He's losing the run of himself. If you were to list his 'proposals' here what he actually wants is :
Abolish Minor, and incorporate into U21 (not eliminate U21).
Set up U19 and U17 competitions to 'help with scheduling'.
I defy anyone to read this, and tell me what the f**k he is talking about?
QuoteThe hard decision and the correct one for the GAA to face up to is to scrap both U-18 and U-21 as separate entities and opt instead for an U-21 competition at club and county level. There are so many positives for such a proposal that it is astonishing that enough thinking GAA members will not bite the bullet on this.
Players aged 19 today are well able to play inter-county football if they are good enough, thereby undermining the original purpose for county U-21. Young men today are much more mature and more knowledgeable about the science of sport than their predecessors of 50 years ago so this proposed change is necessary.
In most club teams at least half the players are minors at present, which defeats the purpose of U-21 in the first place. An U-19 grade, preceded by U-17 grade, would work wonders for fixture-making. Students, in many cases including Leaving Cert and A-Level students, would be freed from the pressure of county minor competitions to the relief of thousands of parents annually.
I think, and I hasten to emphasise 'think', that he is saying do away with U18 entirely, and have an U21 competition at club and county level. And at club only have an U19 and U17 grade. But I'm only guessing. I think he's losing his marbles.
Im glad im not the only one confused :-\
As someone else has said, it would be funny if he wasnt on the Football Review Committee
He's a clown of the highest order although what else do you expect from the Indo except rubbish
I was confused by that too, I assumed there was a misprint and that he meant just opt for an u19 grade at club and county. Though, it's virtually impossible to decipher what the feck he means.
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Combining the two grades is taking a sledgehammer to a problem that needs a surgeon's scalpel. It remains the dumbest, most unambitious proposal that keeps popping up.
The u-21 grade being abolished must be the stuff of nightmares for you Syf.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Combining the two grades is taking a sledgehammer to a problem that needs a surgeon's scalpel. It remains the dumbest, most unambitious proposal that keeps popping up.
The u-21 grade being abolished must be the stuff of nightmares for you Syf.
It would lead to
rotten football.
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
That reminds me of this, only with less testosterone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c-bMycWm2A&spfreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c-bMycWm2A&spfreload=10)
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 13, 2015, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 13, 2015, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
Better hurry up and play this Eugene McGee wants rid of it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-its-high-time-to-ditch-u21-grade-once-and-for-all-31137250.html
McGee continues to amuse.
It would be amusing if he wasn't Chairman of The football Review Committee.
'In most club teams at least half the players are minors at present'jesus :-[
Wonder who told him that
I presume he means there that most club U21 teams are half full of minors. Half might be stretching it, but there are a lot of minors playing U21.
It always surprises me when I hear people talk about Markievicz being a "tight" pitch. Never thought of it as that myself and I had many good and some bad days on it. What other grounds would ye regard as having "tight" pitches.
Might make it in to support the mother's county. The underdogs need all the support they can get.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 13, 2015, 10:21:27 PM
Might make it in to support the mother's county. The underdogs need all the support they can get.
Good man! ;)
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Combining the two grades is taking a sledgehammer to a problem that needs a surgeon's scalpel. It remains the dumbest, most unambitious proposal that keeps popping up.
The u-21 grade being abolished must be the stuff of nightmares for you Syf.
It would lead to rotten football.
It might actually make you justify your existence at senior level. Some counties live their lives through their underage teams.
And then they grow up................
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2015, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Combining the two grades is taking a sledgehammer to a problem that needs a surgeon's scalpel. It remains the dumbest, most unambitious proposal that keeps popping up.
The u-21 grade being abolished must be the stuff of nightmares for you Syf.
It would lead to rotten football.
It might actually make you justify your existence at senior level. Some counties live their lives through their underage teams.
And then they grow up................
We wouldn't have risen from div 4 2011 to div 1 2016 without our underage teams and Tipp seniors thanks to underage teams should rise within the next few years also.
INDIANA you use to have a lot of time for Roscommon for whatever reason that has now changed.
Quote from: ross4life on April 13, 2015, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2015, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Combining the two grades is taking a sledgehammer to a problem that needs a surgeon's scalpel. It remains the dumbest, most unambitious proposal that keeps popping up.
The u-21 grade being abolished must be the stuff of nightmares for you Syf.
It would lead to rotten football.
It might actually make you justify your existence at senior level. Some counties live their lives through their underage teams.
And then they grow up................
We wouldn't have risen from div 4 2011 to div 1 2016 without our underage teams and Tipp seniors thanks to underage teams should rise within the next few years also.
INDIANA you use to have a lot of time for Roscommon for whatever reason that has now changed.
To a point it's helped as much as underage can help you but you're kidding youself if you think if u21 was abolished that it still can't happen. if anything it would ensure counties would identify talent a lot earlier and in the long run would level standards across the board
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/123992616 Jesus wept!
Reminds me of basketball games in the 1950s before the shot clock, when there might be just 8 baskets in 60 minutes of play with the rest of the time the tall fellas just passed it around themselves.
Since Ros started their development panels way back in 2003 we have worked from u14 right up to u21 now you cant spot them much earlier than 13 or 14, under 21 is essential in keeping players interested after minor and the work done with those players can only help and improve them which is an asset for their clubs and gives the late developers a chance to make it at county level, Mayo current success came off the back of 4 Connacht u21 titles and their downfall will be their neglect of that grade over the last several years, its even more important for smaller counties like ros to develop at underage level and it was our neglect of underage for nearly 2 decades that left us in the sorry state that we are just now recovering from.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 13, 2015, 11:04:13 PM
Since Ros started their development panels way back in 2003 we have worked from u14 right up to u21 now you cant spot them much earlier than 13 or 14, under 21 is essential in keeping players interested after minor and the work done with those players can only help and improve them which is an asset for their clubs and gives the late developers a chance to make it at county level, Mayo current success came off the back of 4 Connacht u21 titles and their downfall will be their neglect of that grade over the last several years, its even more important for smaller counties like ros to develop at underage level and it was our neglect of underage for nearly 2 decades that left us in the sorry state that we are just now recovering from.
Not massively convinced. The replacement of minor and u21 with u19 or u20 level would still identify most of the talent for me.
Players don't develop at 22/23 anymore bar the odd exception because their inter county careers will be over by 28 in a few years time. 5-7 years from now you won't see players playing inter county beyond 30/31 due to work and family.
You must be delighted that we're neglecting u21. I on the other hand despair when I think four/five years down the line. Yes we won a minor 2 years ago, but it's no use when lotd of them aren't with any inter county setup now.
Well said indiana
Reading McGees article I think he wants to abolish the u21 grade and minor grade and then bring back the u21 grade and also create an u 19 and u17 grades.I think my head is about to explode but its my own fault for reading his article in the first place. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2015, 10:46:03 PM
To a point it's helped as much as underage can help you but you're kidding youself if you think if u21 was abolished that it still can't happen. if anything it would ensure counties would identify talent a lot earlier and in the long run would level standards across the board
I said underage teams meaning all the way down to development. For example we won the Ted Webb (Connacht U16 competition) 5 years ago & around 12 of those players are now on this years U21 panel.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2015, 11:17:55 PM
Players don't develop at 22/23 anymore bar the odd exception because their inter county careers will be over by 28 in a few years time. 5-7 years from now you won't see players playing inter county beyond 30/31 due to work and family.
Certain players continue to develop at different rates & inter county careers will only be over by 28 if those players are troubled with injury & probably think enough is enough. Others will feel its better to retire early from county to prolong their club careers.
What's the U21 club scene like in Roscommon (or elsewhere)?
Its a bit of of a shambles in Dublin. And Dublin club football would generally be well run at most levels (at least in comparsion to most counties I'd say - still plenty that could be done better of course), but U21s is bottom of the pile in terms of priorities.
This year it clashed with league playoffs across most divisions and minor championships. So some clubs didnt even enter, a heap had to concede because they couldn't field due to fixture clashes, and U21 championships were won with teams playing 1 or 2 games. You also had the comical situation of a lad who is a starter on the Dublin U21 team playing for the U21 2nd team of his club in the Dublin U21 C championship!
Yep, Hound. U 21 championship in Dublin is a bit of an "add on" competition at the end of the year alright.
Nowhere near as prestigious as it was .
Good way though to keep some former underage players "involved" who have no interest in playing junior football regularly but will happily commit to a knockout competition with their mates with maybe a few weeks training beforehand.
Quote from: Canalman on April 14, 2015, 10:24:42 AM
Yep, Hound. U 21 championship in Dublin is a bit of an "add on" competition at the end of the year alright.
Nowhere near as prestigious as it was .
Good way though to keep some former underage players "involved" who have no interest in playing junior football regularly but will happily commit to a knockout competition with their mates with maybe a few weeks training beforehand.
Unfortunatley Tyrone is the same.
It used to be a much better competition when it was just a knockout championship, but the league type format they use now just doesnt work and there isnt realy room for it in teh calendar.
One of the issues is that you have to pay registration fees for another team when entering an U21 team, and alot of club where reluctant to do that for what could be just one game, so they introduced a league format to insure more games. Unfortunately this wasnt the best solution.
It would have been far better to reduce the registration fees (or scrap them for U21s if you have entered minor & senior teams) and leave the competion as a straight knockout championship.
More games wasnt what was needed.
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Since Ros started their development panels way back in 2003 we have worked from u14 right up to u21 now you cant spot them much earlier than 13 or 14, under 21 is essential in keeping players interested after minor and the work done with those players can only help and improve them which is an asset for their clubs and gives the late developers a chance to make it at county level, Mayo current success came off the back of 4 Connacht u21 titles and their downfall will be their neglect of that grade over the last several years, its even more important for smaller counties like ros to develop at underage level and it was our neglect of underage for nearly 2 decades that left us in the sorry state that we are just now recovering from.
Not massively convinced. The replacement of minor and u21 with u19 or u20 level would still identify most of the talent for me.
Players don't develop at 22/23 anymore bar the odd exception because their inter county careers will be over by 28 in a few years time. 5-7 years from now you won't see players playing inter county beyond 30/31 due to work and family.
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Have you any empiricial evidence for this?? Or did you just make it up?
There seems to be fairly universal agreement that u21 club competitions are not priority with many counties and maybe the competition should be left optional at club level but it is very important at county level for the development of players, there are several success stories of u21 success being the start of a successful senior team, Dublin current team have mostly come from the grade, Ros is building a team from u21, Tyrone did so in the early 00s, Donegals team of 1992 were made up from the teams of 82 and 87 and a lot of their current team came from that 2010 team that lost the u21 final to the dubs, even go back to the great Kerry team of the seventies and they all have u21 medals, now I know you can say that if they are good players that naturally they would play at u21 but it is very important for counties that are rebuilding or in our own case building from scratch, and most important it is a great grade of football to watch with good open games for the most part and well attended for the time of year.
Quote from: Hound on April 14, 2015, 09:49:44 AM
What's the U21 club scene like in Roscommon (or elsewhere)?
Its a bit of of a shambles in Dublin. And Dublin club football would generally be well run at most levels (at least in comparsion to most counties I'd say - still plenty that could be done better of course), but U21s is bottom of the pile in terms of priorities.
This year it clashed with league playoffs across most divisions and minor championships. So some clubs didnt even enter, a heap had to concede because they couldn't field due to fixture clashes, and U21 championships were won with teams playing 1 or 2 games. You also had the comical situation of a lad who is a starter on the Dublin U21 team playing for the U21 2nd team of his club in the Dublin U21 C championship!
3 division competition with semi finals played from October to December, very stop start with the weather so poor the final was played after Christmas one year. This October will be our last U21 club championship as it will become U20 & plans are to play at spring time.
Don't be surprised to see a bit more of Thomas Corcoran against Tyrone than we saw against Galway. Our midfield struggled at times in the Connacht Final, and with another 2 weeks training under his belt, i would expect Corcoran in earlier this time if we struggle there..Ros don't have any injury concerns and are rearing to go.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 14, 2015, 09:37:12 PM
Don't be surprised to see a bit more of Thomas Corcoran against Tyrone than we saw against Galway. Our midfield struggled at times in the Connacht Final, and with another 2 weeks training under his belt, i would expect Corcoran in earlier this time if we struggle there..Ros don't have any injury concerns and are rearing to go.
Tyrone have tried to avoid midfield from kick outs in matches to date. Their two midfielders are very good ball players though.
Went to see the ulster 21 final last week and the following night went to see the munster 21 final,how they were two different contrasting games.While in ulster both teams(Donegal and Tyrone) with two sweepers each the teams in munster openly played entertaining football.Unbelievably tipperary were 5 points up with three minutes to go and still went man to man 6 backs against 6 forwards while the night before tyrone played one big fella inside and other 13 behind the ball,Murtagh wont get any ball sat so roscommon be prepared because if you try kick ball in it will come back straight out,they will need to be patient.Tyrone were poor in midfield when they had to kick the ball out,donegal only contested the kick outs with ten minutes to go and won every one of them,if only they did it from the start.Tipperary are awesome in the middle,o brien and o riordan cleaned cork out and done untold damage,but they are toothless up front(good free taker however)but very little from play.roscommon to win by 4-5pts if patient and dublin by 10pts
To say there is a universal agreement u21 not taken seriously by counties. I suspect you live in your own world. What an idiotic statement
Quote from: Canalman on April 14, 2015, 10:24:42 AM
Yep, Hound. U 21 championship in Dublin is a bit of an "add on" competition at the end of the year alright.
Nowhere near as prestigious as it was .
Good way though to keep some former underage players "involved" who have no interest in playing junior football regularly but will happily commit to a knockout competition with their mates with maybe a few weeks training beforehand.
Same in Mayo. Started the day of last year's All Ireland. The final replay was the Sunday before Christmas.
Quote from: treviola on April 15, 2015, 11:42:07 PM
Went to see the ulster 21 final last week and the following night went to see the munster 21 final,how they were two different contrasting games.While in ulster both teams(Donegal and Tyrone) with two sweepers each the teams in munster openly played entertaining football.Unbelievably tipperary were 5 points up with three minutes to go and still went man to man 6 backs against 6 forwards while the night before tyrone played one big fella inside and other 13 behind the ball,Murtagh wont get any ball sat so roscommon be prepared because if you try kick ball in it will come back straight out,they will need to be patient.Tyrone were poor in midfield when they had to kick the ball out,donegal only contested the kick outs with ten minutes to go and won every one of them,if only they did it from the start.Tipperary are awesome in the middle,o brien and o riordan cleaned cork out and done untold damage,but they are toothless up front(good free taker however)but very little from play.roscommon to win by 4-5pts if patient and dublin by 10pts
Out of curiosity have you actually seen the dubs or just going on reports? I do agree they should beat us but we'll see.as you say we arent great up front. I'm sure Dublin management were at the munster final and will have a plan for looking to bypass our midfield, one of our forwards biggest job should be to be on top of the dublin kick outs and try to make them kick it long. Without having seen Dublin in the flesh they don't seem to be near as good as last year and I feel if Longford and Kildale can push them all the way I think we should be able do the same
Dublin (U-21 FC v Tipperary) - Lorcan Molloy; Emile Mullan, David Byrne, Eoin Murchan; Eric Lowndes, Conor Mulally, Ross McGowan; Stephen Cunningham, Shane Carthy; Gavin Burke, Andrew Foley, Niall Scully; Cormac Costello, Conor McHugh, Colm Basquel
Will be very surprised if we don't go with the same team that played cork
Highlights from the finals last week. Tipp's game is from 9 minutes in. Some nice scores, but some scrappy goals. Look at the run the Tipp Full back (I think it's Jimmy Feehan from Killenaule) makes for the point that puts Tipp at 1-12. Unreal, and should have been a goal really.
Not long to go now. Widespread predictions everywhere of a tight, low scoring dogfight between Ros and Tyrone. I see in the local media where Ros manager, Mark Dowd, is quoted as saying that a score of 1-10 could be good enough to win this game.. I think that was our half time score against Galway!!... Joint captain, Cathal Compton, has said that Ros came down to earth very quickly after the Connacht Final, and didn't get carried away by that success. Interestingly, he says that Ros need to improve by another 10-15 per cent if they're going to beat Tyrone. I reckon the strength in depth of Roscommon's bench is going to be crucial coming up the home straight.
Read it again gibbs, you are the village idiot on this site, your posts are a joke and I am in agreement that you are a rhubarb posing as a Rossie. Cop yourself on.
Team News
The Tipperary U21 team to play Dublin in the EirGrid GAA All-Ireland Football Semi-final on Saturday next, April 18th, at 4pm in O'Connor Park, Tullamore has been announced.
Following on from last week's thrilling Munster Final victory over Cork, manager Tommy Toomey and his management team have remained faithful to that side and announced the same starting XV for Saturday.
Therefore Captain Colin O'Riordan leads the charge at midfield with Steven O'Brien, while up front man of the match from the final Ian Fahey and last week's debutant Kevin O'Halloran will be looking to add to their exciting profile. In defence the impressive Evan Comerford will hold station between the posts once more as he provides cover for a solid backline.
The team in full is as follows;
Evan Comerford (Kilsheelan Kilcash), Kevin Fahey (Clonmel Commercials), Jimmy Feehan (Killenaule), Colm O'Shaughnessy (Ardfinnan), Ross Mulcahy (Moyle Rovers), Luke Boland (Moyle Rovers), Bill Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash), Steven O'Brien (Ballina), Colin O'Riordan Capt. (JK Brackens), Jason Lonergan (Clonmel Commercials), Ian Fahey (Clonmel Commercials), Liam Casey (Cahir),Kevin O'Halloran (Portroe), Josh Keane (Golden Kilfeacle), Paul Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash).
Tippabu i have indeed seen dublin play,i saw them against laois and kildare in the final and i would be the first to agree with you that i dont believe they are as good as last year.Personally i dont believe tipp are as good either but if they win midfield which tipp should,who knows.I really hope Tipp do it but i fear costello and mchugh will do damage and i just cant see tipp scoring enough(though dublin defo weaker at backs this year)
and the heart tipp showed last week is hard to match
Quote from: treviola on April 17, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
Tippabu i have indeed seen dublin play,i saw them against laois and kildare in the final and i would be the first to agree with you that i dont believe they are as good as last year.Personally i dont believe tipp are as good either but if they win midfield which tipp should,who knows.I really hope Tipp do it but i fear costello and mchugh will do damage and i just cant see tipp scoring enough(though dublin defo weaker at backs this year)
That's fair enough and I'd agree with you. Last years team was stronger than this for me. We are missing 4/5 starting forwards. The ones who came in have stepped up to be fair but they aren't the same standard of what's missing. We haven't really gotten anything on the bench either. I think all of that made the minster win all the more special. Hopefully we get a performance tomorrow at the very least and win or lose these lads will have given us a brilliant start to the year
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Tippabu i have indeed seen dublin play,i saw them against laois and kildare in the final and i would be the first to agree with you that i dont believe they are as good as last year.Personally i dont believe tipp are as good either but if they win midfield which tipp should,who knows.I really hope Tipp do it but i fear costello and mchugh will do damage and i just cant see tipp scoring enough(though dublin defo weaker at backs this year)
That's fair enough and I'd agree with you. Last years team was stronger than this for me. We are missing 4/5 starting forwards. The ones who came in have stepped up to be fair but they aren't the same standard of what's missing. We haven't really gotten anything on the bench either. I think all of that made the minster win all the more special. Hopefully we get a performance tomorrow at the very least and win or lose these lads will have given us a brilliant start to the year
Yea i thought Tipp had some real good forwards last year but whys yous took quinlivan out the pitch after ten mins in pair ui rinn bewildered me,only when he went back in when it was too late he done the damage.Was impressed with fahy corner back last day too.Maybe O Riordan will inspire them again tomorrow.
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Tippabu i have indeed seen dublin play,i saw them against laois and kildare in the final and i would be the first to agree with you that i dont believe they are as good as last year.Personally i dont believe tipp are as good either but if they win midfield which tipp should,who knows.I really hope Tipp do it but i fear costello and mchugh will do damage and i just cant see tipp scoring enough(though dublin defo weaker at backs this year)
That's fair enough and I'd agree with you. Last years team was stronger than this for me. We are missing 4/5 starting forwards. The ones who came in have stepped up to be fair but they aren't the same standard of what's missing. We haven't really gotten anything on the bench either. I think all of that made the minster win all the more special. Hopefully we get a performance tomorrow at the very least and win or lose these lads will have given us a brilliant start to the year
Yea i thought Tipp had some real good forwards last year but whys yous took quinlivan out the pitch after ten mins in pair ui rinn bewildered me,only when he went back in when it was too late he done the damage.Was impressed with fahy corner back last day too.Maybe O Riordan will inspire them again tomorrow.
For me management last year was our biggest failing in the final, our corner back, can't remember which o sullivan it was got absolutely roasted by Alan cadogan and we never once changed his marker to see if we could contain him. Coleman Kennedy came on far too late and I just think we could have reacted an awful lot better to the game than we did.
GAA Beo
15:30
Live coverage of Dublin v Tipperary in the Eirgrid All-Ireland U21 Football Championship Semi Final from O'Connor Park, Tullamore. Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary by Brian Tyers.
GAA Beo
17:40
Live coverage of Tyrone v Roscommon in the Eirgrid All-Ireland U21 Football Championship Semi Final from Markievicz Park, Sligo. Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary by Brian Tyers.
All Ireland semi final day again for the Ros U21s.
Let's hope we continue our March to the Final.
Won't be easy but I'm confident we are good enough to do it.
Once the Ref is on top of things and stops any dirty tricks early.
Best of luck to Tyrone today, hopefully our plucky underdogs can spoil the party of the champions elect.
Dublin are the "champions elect" as usual.
Are any of the games being shown on tg4?
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Are any of the games being shown on tg4?
Both on tg4.
Best of luck to tipp today, are already after doing us proud with our munster win, would be brilliant to reach an Ai final with these lads
Best of luck to the young Rossies today. Would also like to wish Tipperary the best of luck in the other game. A Roscommon v Tipp final would be a breath of fresh air.
Despite all the hype behind this Roscommon team I think Tyrone are a great price at 5 to 2. Roscommon conceded 3 11 against Galway which would suggest they're open at the back and Tyrone can exploit this on the break. I'd be surprised if they managed to get such a high score against us given that we defend in large numbers.
Although we get men behind the ball don't confuse this with us not having a good attacking footballers. We have 3 players in the half back line that can bomb forward and wouldn't look out of place up the pitch. We also have another forward in midfield.
That Donegal win was a big boost for the county and for all the talk about Roscommon they're yet to deliver on the national stage. Tyrone have won 5 minor all irelands, 4 u21 all irelands and 3 seniors in the last 25 years, that pedigree helps build up a confidence in a county and gives our teams extra confidence when getting to this stage of competitions.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 18, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Despite all the hype behind this Roscommon team I think Tyrone are a great price at 5 to 2. Roscommon conceded 3 11 against Galway which would suggest they're open at the back and Tyrone can exploit this on the break. I'd be surprised if they managed to get such a high score against us given that we defend in large numbers.
Although we get men behind the ball don't confuse this with us not having a good attacking footballers. We have 3 players in the half back line that can bomb forward and wouldn't look out of place up the pitch. We also have another forward in midfield.
That Donegal win was a big boost for the county and for all the talk about Roscommon they're yet to deliver on the national stage. Tyrone have won 5 minor all irelands, 4 u21 all irelands and 3 seniors in the last 25 years, that pedigree helps build up a confidence in a county and gives our teams extra confidence when getting to this stage of competitions.
Let your lads do their talking on the field, if they can.
A Tyrone man trying to put pressure on a Roscommon U21 team. The mind boggles.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 18, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Despite all the hype behind this Roscommon team I think Tyrone are a great price at 5 to 2. Roscommon conceded 3 11 against Galway which would suggest they're open at the back and Tyrone can exploit this on the break. I'd be surprised if they managed to get such a high score against us given that we defend in large numbers.
Although we get men behind the ball don't confuse this with us not having a good attacking footballers. We have 3 players in the half back line that can bomb forward and wouldn't look out of place up the pitch. We also have another forward in midfield.
That Donegal win was a big boost for the county and for all the talk about Roscommon they're yet to deliver on the national stage. Tyrone have won 5 minor all irelands, 4 u21 all irelands and 3 seniors in the last 25 years, that pedigree helps build up a confidence in a county and gives our teams extra confidence when getting to this stage of competitions.
It was that big a win and boost for the county that the Tyrone CCC insisted that the U21 players played with their clubs last Saturda in the league, and if they win today they have to play in the league games tomorrow. You wouldn't be prone to a bit of exaggeration?
Don't think he's putting pressure on Ros Syferus, he's simply stating that Tyrone shouldn't fear the challenge (you're being a bit hyper sensitive). I think this Tyrone team is a good one with every man knowing his role in the side. If Mark Bradley is fit and firing I'd back us to win. May the best team win and good luck to all four sides participating in the semi finals today.
Not sure how much pedigree counts for at underage if it did then Cork and Galway would be playing in todays All Ireland semi finals. Looking forward to both games should be good viewing.
The past is a foreign country.
Today's game is between two sets of lads born in 1994/1995,
Canavan or Dermot Earley aren't playing.
UPROS!!!
Dublin 0.07 Tipp 0.03 HT.Tipp with the breeze for the second half
any links for the games today? tg4 live player not showing it for me at the minute.
Dublin 0.09 Tipperary 0.07
Dublin 0.09 Tipp 0.11. 9 min to go
Really good game. Take costello away and tipp much better. Goals in him though.
3 min to go Dublin 0.11 Tipp 0.11
Dublin 0.12 Tipp 0.12 time up
Dublin 0.12 Tipp 0.13
Dublin 0.12 Tipp 0.14 FT.Super win for Tipp
Some result for tipp! Well deserved too.
Well done Tipp - gutted for the Dubs but great to see real progress being made in the Premier football wise.
Well done Tipp. Great to see a new team in the spotlight.
Future very bright for Tipp football
Tipp were the better side overall. Fantastic win for them and some finish to the game, both teams going at it hammer and tongs. Very enjoyable.
Well done Tipp, great to see a new face at the footballing top table.
Fully deserved win.
Imagine a Tipp v Ros final?
Just goes to show what you can do with a lot of hard work.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2015, 05:22:32 PM
Fully deserved win.
Imagine a Tipp v Ros final?
Just goes to show what you can do with a lot of hard work.
Quite right jinxy, a lot less moaning & a lot more work would serve some counties well.
Well done Tipp, like Roscommon you're doing something right down there - keep her lit
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2015, 05:22:32 PM
Fully deserved win.
Imagine a Tipp v Ros final?
Just goes to show what you can do with a lot of hard work.
sunglass hut.
Watching the first ten minutes of this game, I can't help thinking that someone walked into the dressing room during the Rossies team talk and roared, "THE DUBS WERE BET LADS!"
Thats a fair mighy no.8 for roscommon there
Some great points in this game. A
A lot of this in the game........
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Worst performance by us since last year's AI final. Some of our passing has been very, very poor. We can play much better but who knows. Tyrone might be a bit disappointed to only be three up after that half.
We deserve more. Probably should have had a penalty as well to be fair. Think we have the all round better footballers and a better balance in our team but I expect Roscommon to slip off the duvet and come at us more this half.
Quote from: rrhf on April 18, 2015, 06:42:49 PM
We deserve more. Probably should have had a penalty as well to be fair. Think we have the all round better footballers and a better balance in our team but I expect Roscommon to slip off the duvet and come at us more this half.
Lol
Tyrone keeping Ros at arms length. A Tyrone sort of game. A goal is what Ros need! Rocket science stuff there in those comments!!! :-\
The Rossies look very flat here.
They're doing a fair bit of crying at the ref when they're conceding even blatant fouls.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 18, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
Tyrone keeping Ros at arms length. A Tyrone sort of game. A goal is what Ros need! Rocket science stuff there in those comments!!! :-\
Enlighten me?
Great stuff. Well done team and management. Tyrone v tips final.
ref has been shocking. As bad as the rossies, individual errors all over the pitch
Great stuff! Congratulations Tyrone. We haven't gone away you know!!
So the unbeatables have been beaten. :o
Two best teams on the day won.
Would have been a travesty had we beaten Tipp. Slaughtered us everywhere except the scoreboard. Best of luck to them in the final.
Tyrone motm could barely contain his grin when he was told Tipp had beaten Dublin.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 18, 2015, 07:26:15 PM
So the unbeatables have been beaten. :o
Dublin been beaten was a shock. but not Roscommon.
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Tyrone keeping Ros at arms length. A Tyrone sort of game. A goal is what Ros need! Rocket science stuff there in those comments!!! :-\
Enlighten me?
Not open! Hard to get scores. War of attrition! The game Tyrone has been used to in Ulster. Roscommon had not encountered this type of game in Connacht!
Enlightened?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 18, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
Tyrone motm could barely contain his grin when he was told Tipp had beaten Dublin.
A Dangerous complacency!
what hype about an average team no answer to tyrones superior management team men against boys sideline wise
It wasn't a grin it was an involuntary nervous twitch of sheer fear.
Quote from: rrhf on April 18, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
It wasn't a grin it was an involuntary nervous twitch of sheer fear.
;D
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 18, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
Tyrone keeping Ros at arms length. A Tyrone sort of game. A goal is what Ros need! Rocket science stuff there in those comments!!! :-\
Enlighten me?
Not open! Hard to get scores. War of attrition! The game Tyrone has been used to in Ulster. Roscommon had not encountered this type of game in Connacht!
Enlightened?
Tyrone play in a war of attrition, Connacht team can't handle it because they don't play like that in the west ::) Rocket science level analysis there. Any other Pat Spillane style stereotypes you want to throw in there to enlighten us further?
Well, well, maybe the bookies can take their heads out of their well feathered arses now! 8) Commiserations Rossies.
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Tyrone keeping Ros at arms length. A Tyrone sort of game. A goal is what Ros need! Rocket science stuff there in those comments!!! :-\
Enlighten me?
Not open! Hard to get scores. War of attrition! The game Tyrone has been used to in Ulster. Roscommon had not encountered this type of game in Connacht!
Enlightened?
Tyrone play in a war of attrition, Connacht team can't handle it because they don't play like that in the west ::) Rocket science level analysis there. Any other Pat Spillane style stereotypes you want to throw in there to enlighten us further?
I said that already about my Comment. Did you not read it?
Out-thought, out-fought. Better team by a very clear margin won. We had no answer to the Tyrone system that still remains as difficult a proposition when played correctly as it ever has.
Like Cork and Cavan before us, that's four recent provincials with no national trophy to show for all that work. Underage is in good fettle in the county but today was just as bitterly disappointing a performance as last year's AI final. The parralels to Mayo at senior are becoming a little too true for comfort.
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 07:46:56 PM
Out-thought, out-fought. Better team by a very clear margin won. We had no answer to the Tyrone system that still remains as difficult a proposition when played correctly as it ever has.
Like Cork and Cavan before us, that's four recent provincials with no national trophy to show for all that work. Underage is in good fettle in the county but today was just as bitterly disappointing a performance as last year's AI final. The parralels to Mayo at senior are becoming a little too true for comfort.
At this stage of competition you will not get away (normally) with anything. Ros were flat, but only because Tyrone (to their credit) made them flat. That coupled with a referee who got a bit lost in what sort of a game he was refereeing! So much so that the Ros players even felt agrieved even when they were in the wrong!
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 18, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
Tyrone keeping Ros at arms length. A Tyrone sort of game. A goal is what Ros need! Rocket science stuff there in those comments!!! :-\
Enlighten me?
Not open! Hard to get scores. War of attrition! The game Tyrone has been used to in Ulster. Roscommon had not encountered this type of game in Connacht!
Enlightened?
Tyrone play in a war of attrition, Connacht team can't handle it because they don't play like that in the west ::) Rocket science level analysis there. Any other Pat Spillane style stereotypes you want to throw in there to enlighten us further?
I said that already about my Comment. Did you not read it?
My apologies, I thought your comment was in reference to someone else's analysis! I do think though, that the Tyrone performance deserves a little more credit that a "typical Tyrone" "war of attrition" stereotypical style analysis. They scored 17 points and were dominant throughout against a very good Roscommon team. But I get your point.
Absolutely delighted. Fan f**king tastic.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2015, 08:01:52 PM
Absolutely delighted. Fan f**king tastic.
I should say I am referring to Tipp.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 18, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
Tyrone keeping Ros at arms length. A Tyrone sort of game. A goal is what Ros need! Rocket science stuff there in those comments!!! :-\
Enlighten me?
Not open! Hard to get scores. War of attrition! The game Tyrone has been used to in Ulster. Roscommon had not encountered this type of game in Connacht!
Enlightened?
Tyrone play in a war of attrition, Connacht team can't handle it because they don't play like that in the west ::) Rocket science level analysis there. Any other Pat Spillane style stereotypes you want to throw in there to enlighten us further?
I said that already about my Comment. Did you not read it?
My apologies, I thought your comment was in reference to someone else's analysis! I do think though, that the Tyrone performance deserves a little more credit that a "typical Tyrone" "war of attrition" stereotypical style analysis. They scored 17 points and were dominant throughout against a very good Roscommon team. But I get your point.
Oh total credit to Tyrone, they controlled the pace and tone of the game. The analysis is stereotypical. But hey that's Ulster Football at the moment. What annoys me is other counties who do the same and get zero sh1te for doing it and are AI champions?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2015, 08:01:52 PM
Absolutely delighted. Fan f**king tastic.
I should say I am referring to Tipp.
Get your house on them! ;)
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 18, 2015, 06:42:49 PM
We deserve more. Probably should have had a penalty as well to be fair. Think we have the all round better footballers and a better balance in our team but I expect Roscommon to slip off the duvet and come at us more this half.
Lol
Indeed
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2015, 08:01:52 PM
Absolutely delighted. Fan f**king tastic.
I should say I am referring to Tipp.
Ah feck. You should have left the last comment out, just to screw with the minds of some of those that don't pay attention.
Congrats to Tyrone. By a long shot, the better team. Fitter, physically more imposing, better game plan and man could they score their points. Some amazing scores there today and Tyrone would not have been flattered with a 10 point winning margin. Bitterly disappointed as I did believe this Roscommon team had the talent and players to go all the way - but I spared them the hype that some in the local media and others heaped on them, foolishly ignoring that Ros don't handle favourtism well and these are young lads after all and that kind of stuff does them no favours. Lads like Dairmuid Murtagh, Ultan Harney and Enda Smith (burned out from Sigerson, senior and U21) will have better days. Poor ref who didn't know the rules (picking up the knees let go lots of times) but contributed in no way to the overall result and bad for both teams. Very disappointing that 4 Connacht U21 titles has not led to any silverware but the important thing is we are producing some good players that will hopefully lead us to being competitive in Connacht at senior again. Hard luck to the lads and well done Tyrone. Will be a very interesting final.
Just a few random thoughts for now. Congratulations to Tyrone on an excellent performance and victory. Looked the likely winners from the word go..Tyrone had the ability to run through Ros at will with our lads brushed aside. Thought some of the Ros players looked lightweight up against that Tyrone team. The defence is the weakness in this team, as evidenced by the concession of 0-12, 3-11 and 0-17 in our 3 games. Can't see too many future Seniors out of that defence. I'm afraid that Ros were an overhyped team, but it has to be stated that a lot of this hype was fuelled from outside the county. Thanks to this group of players for another Connacht title. They'll go their seperate ways now, some onto Senior, whilst some of them will probably never wear a Ros jersey again. But that's for another day. They came up against a better team, best of luck to Tyrone in the final.
Well done Tipp.
Semi finals are there to be won, simple as.
Tyrone had the homework done and exploited the deficiencies in the Ros back line and midfield.
Serious experience on the sideline for Tyrone
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 18, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
Well done Tipp.
Semi finals are there to be won, simple as.
Tyrone had the homework done and exploited the deficiencies in the Ros back line and midfield.
Serious experience on the sideline for Tyrone
I fancy Tipp to win it myself based on the two games today. They've a terrific spine to their team. Will be a very close run thing.
Two best teams in the final by far.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2015, 08:36:20 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 18, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
Well done Tipp.
Semi finals are there to be won, simple as.
Tyrone had the homework done and exploited the deficiencies in the Ros back line and midfield.
Serious experience on the sideline for Tyrone
I fancy Tipp to win it myself based on the two games today. They've a terrific spine to their team. Will be a very close run thing.
Two best teams in the final by far.
Tipp played in the Hastings Shield final though, Indy. Bound to be worth a few points for Tyrone at least.
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2015, 08:36:20 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 18, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
Well done Tipp.
Semi finals are there to be won, simple as.
Tyrone had the homework done and exploited the deficiencies in the Ros back line and midfield.
Serious experience on the sideline for Tyrone
I fancy Tipp to win it myself based on the two games today. They've a terrific spine to their team. Will be a very close run thing.
Two best teams in the final by far.
Tipp played in the Hastings Shield final though, Indy. Bound to be worth a few points for Tyrone at least.
true game over for then so
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2015, 08:36:20 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 18, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
Well done Tipp.
Semi finals are there to be won, simple as.
Tyrone had the homework done and exploited the deficiencies in the Ros back line and midfield.
Serious experience on the sideline for Tyrone
I fancy Tipp to win it myself based on the two games today. They've a terrific spine to their team. Will be a very close run thing.
Two best teams in the final by far.
Tipp played in the Hastings Shield final though, Indy. Bound to be worth a few points for Tyrone at least.
Disappointing for Ros.
Only caught the 2nd game. Serious amount of unforced errors by Roscommon. They should have pushed big 14 up on the square as he was doing more harm than good out the field.
2 teams in all ireland semi should not have had to play a match on a purdy field like they did today
Fair play to Tipp, great result
Tyrone far better team deserved the win. Awful stuff from us at times, sloppy passing and just looked very lethargic. Piss poor referee didn't help the game but the better team won in the end. Guess we don't have to worry about resting the U-21s next week so ....
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 18, 2015, 08:27:25 PM
Just a few random thoughts for now. Congratulations to Tyrone on an excellent performance and victory. Looked the likely winners from the word go..Tyrone had the ability to run through Ros at will with our lads brushed aside. Thought some of the Ros players looked lightweight up against that Tyrone team. The defence is the weakness in this team, as evidenced by the concession of 0-12, 3-11 and 0-17 in our 3 games. Can't see too many future Seniors out of that defence. I'm afraid that Ros were an overhyped team, but it has to be stated that a lot of this hype was fuelled from outside the county. Thanks to this group of players for another Connacht title. They'll go their seperate ways now, some onto Senior, whilst some of them will probably never wear a Ros jersey again. But that's for another day. They came up against a better team, best of luck to Tyrone in the final.
There's no doubt that ros as a county are pushing forward and have a great 10 years ahead of them. Something took them off the boil today. That happens.. We are delighted to get to the final after a number of average years and we will take on an immense new force in tipp. We will give it our best shot. Real hard luck to the young dubs and rossies. Well done to tipp and Tyrone. Any word on fixture.
Better team won.
All the cynical Tyrone stuff as usual. Thought a few of them were shot at times the way they went down.
Piss poor Ref and not good enough for an A I S F.
Biting my tongue at the moment except for one comment-
Is there anyone in Co Roscommon who knows how to defend or anyone that can coach defenders ?
We haven't a fcukin clue how to defend either by man marking or blanket.
Enough said. Time for a pint.
Disappointing from a Ros perspective. But Tyrone were easily the better team. Well done to them. Beat Roscommon in every department. Wasted very little whereas we fumbled and misplaced a lot of ball. The Tyrone backs were nearly always out in front when we let it in. In contrast whatever ball they put in direct their forwards were out first, but in general they carried strongly through the middle and made it look easy ghosting past our lads. I find the running game hard on the eye and a major gripe of mine with the modern game is that players are allowed take 6,7,8 steps while being tackled. Credit to Tyrone they did not resort to this and soloed around our boys like they weren't there. As mentioned their score kicking was top notch. Once they got into the scoring zone it was going over. We found it very difficult to get the ball to stick in the forwards as the Tyrone backs were everywhere.
Overall they were the more tenacious and composed team and won fairly comfortably. The favourites tag didn't suit us though. You could feel the ambush was coming. Before throw in a Tyrone man said to me 'don't bate us too badly' with a chuckle. They found themselves in a lovely position whereas us with nothing but a few underage Connachts and plenty of failures to go with it were somehow second favourites for an AI!
Anyway hopefully a few of these players will deliver us a senior provincial title or two over the next number of years. Hon the Ros.
Next thinh seafoid will be along belittling Ros's efforts outside Connacht. All Irelands are very hard won. Only caught the last 15 mins on tv, but Tyrone took some lovely scores. Ros laboured with theirs. Tyrone backs on top for most of the bit I saw.
When will our managements and players stop worrying about favourites tags.
As for next year - I fear we won't be going too far as 2013 was the start of bad minor teams.
Congratulations to bot Tipp & Tyrone on todays semis.
Really looking forward to the final.
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 07:46:56 PM
Out-thought, out-fought. Better team by a very clear margin won. We had no answer to the Tyrone system that still remains as difficult a proposition when played correctly as it ever has.
Like Cork and Cavan before us, that's four recent provincials with no national trophy to show for all that work. Underage is in good fettle in the county but today was just as bitterly disappointing a performance as last year's AI final. The parralels to Mayo at senior are becoming a little too true for comfort.
Really!! I can t see any meaningful parallels myself and cant understand why you would try to drag Mayo into this ;D ;D
When you choke, you choke. Every county is on it s own.
Well done Tyrone a well drilled side who came through a tough Ulster championship. Accomplished performance led from the first minute till last & kept us at arms length throughout, defensively Tyrone were superb were as solid as a unit as i have seen at this grade.
From our own point of view apart from Murtagh none of our key players performed to any where near their ability simply put our lads didn't do themselves justice on the day. Corcoran still rusty after a long injury lay off,Harney not right with the shoulder injury he is carrying & Smith could do with a month break. Defensively we were so loose giving away scores without even putting a hand on the Tyrone shooters. This is common theme whatever the level we play at.
Also well done to Tipp like Tyrone they held the a much talked about forward line to just 0-12 and simply put thats why the May 2nd final will be Tipp v Tyrone.
So you beat Roscommon & get to play Tipp, it's like the old Tommy Murphy Cup.
How many of that Tipp team have AI minor medals from 2011? They won't be easily beaten!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
When will our managements and players stop worrying about favourites tags.
As for next year - I fear we won't be going too far as 2013 was the start of bad minor teams.
Aye - whoever heard of that Murtagh lad in the corner or that Harney buck at midfield since 2013 Rossfan.
Only getting to a minor AISF - like, that's not on at all at all!
Hard luck to Roscommon. I don't mean to rub salt into an open wound but I'm hoping ye have another defeat at Markievicz later this year......
Quote from: sligoman2 on April 18, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
Hard luck to Roscommon. I don't mean to rub salt into an open wound but I'm hoping he have another defeat at Markievicz later this year......
London calling first.
Just back. Roscommon U21 are like Mayo senior - they have a weakness there in terms of winning mentality. Not to mention manliness but they'll improve on that.
Not a vintage Tyrone U21 team but enough physical presence to dominate a weaker side. Roscommon were disappointingly defensive and didn't really know how to play that game.
Great win for Tipp. Only caught the last 20 minutes but some good play in that.
Was not surprised that Tyrone won. They have a way of playing that is hard to play against. A bit like Chelsea in soccer, it may not look great but is highly effective. A well managed team who know how to win. Though they got lucky with a couple of decisions but always looked in control.
The final will be interesting. Tipp will have a bit of work to do.
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
When will our managements and players stop worrying about favourites tags.
As for next year - I fear we won't be going too far as 2013 was the start of bad minor teams.
Aye - whoever heard of that Murtagh lad in the corner or that Harney buck at midfield since 2013 Rossfan.
Only getting to a minor AISF - like, that's not on at all at all!
That was because we met a sh1te Kildare who won a soft Leinster.
Was talking to a very senior Ros GAA man tonight.
He told me funding/coaching of youth seriously cut back.(SS removed).
Serious mistake which will come back to bite us as we let the Rhus and herrings takeover again.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2015, 02:58:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
When will our managements and players stop worrying about favourites tags.
As for next year - I fear we won't be going too far as 2013 was the start of bad minor teams.
Aye - whoever heard of that Murtagh lad in the corner or that Harney buck at midfield since 2013 Rossfan.
Only getting to a minor AISF - like, that's not on at all at all!
That was because we met a sh1te Kildare who won a soft Leinster.
Was talking to a very senior Ros GAA man tonight.
He told me funding/coaching of youth seriously cut back.(SS removed).
Serious mistake which will come back to bite us as we let the Rhus and herrings takeover again.
Calm down! One bad game doesn't undo all the positive things that appear to be going on in the county. From an outsider looking in, Roscommon seem to be one of the counties that are making massive strides forward with plenty of underage success and the senior team now in division one with a fairly young team. I don't think yesterday's game means all is doom and gloom again. Remember, that wasn't a bad Tyrone team.
Tyrone will now face the irresistible force that is Tipperary. Having taken out the Dubs and Cork, they are a serious outfit with the momentum to win that all ireland. If Tipp can cope with the title of being massive favourites they will be very difficult to beat. Cant wait to see their star players. What a great story it could be...
Quote from: rrhf on April 19, 2015, 08:20:24 AM
Tyrone will now face the irresistible force that is Tipperary. Having taken out the Dubs and Cork, they are a serious outfit with the momentum to win that all ireland. If Tipp can cope with the title of being massive favourites they will be very difficult to beat. Cant wait to see their star players. What a great story it could be...
Tyrone are actually favourites with the bookies, 8/11.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 19, 2015, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 19, 2015, 08:20:24 AM
Tyrone will now face the irresistible force that is Tipperary. Having taken out the Dubs and Cork, they are a serious outfit with the momentum to win that all ireland. If Tipp can cope with the title of being massive favourites they will be very difficult to beat. Cant wait to see their star players. What a great story it could be...
Tyrone are actually favourites with the bookies, 8/11.
What do they know? Sure Tipp were 3/1 and Tyrone 5/2 yesterday.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2015, 02:58:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
When will our managements and players stop worrying about favourites tags.
As for next year - I fear we won't be going too far as 2013 was the start of bad minor teams.
Aye - whoever heard of that Murtagh lad in the corner or that Harney buck at midfield since 2013 Rossfan.
Only getting to a minor AISF - like, that's not on at all at all!
That was because we met a sh1te Kildare who won a soft Leinster.
Was talking to a very senior Ros GAA man tonight.
He told me funding/coaching of youth seriously cut back.(SS removed).
Serious mistake which will come back to bite us as we let the Rhus and herrings takeover again.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:58:07 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2015, 02:58:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
When will our managements and players stop worrying about favourites tags.
As for next year - I fear we won't be going too far as 2013 was the start of bad minor teams.
Aye - whoever heard of that Murtagh lad in the corner or that Harney buck at midfield since 2013 Rossfan.
Only getting to a minor AISF - like, that's not on at all at all!
That was because we met a sh1te Kildare who won a soft Leinster.
Was talking to a very senior Ros GAA man tonight.
He told me funding/coaching of youth seriously cut back.(SS removed).
Serious mistake which will come back to bite us as we let the Rhus and herrings takeover again.
Calm down! One bad game doesn't undo all the positive things that appear to be going on in the county. From an outsider looking in, Roscommon seem to be one of the counties that are making massive strides forward with plenty of underage success and the senior team now in division one with a fairly young team. I don't think yesterday's game means all is doom and gloom again. Remember, that wasn't a bad Tyrone team.
I'd wonder. Ganquin has a small army with him at minor this year and likewise they were plenty of folks at U16 too last year. Where exactly are the corners being cut? It's not like the Minor CB ever had an astronomical budget to begin with. Didn't we send the lads into Applegreens for burgers and chips after one of our minor AISFs..
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 18, 2015, 10:00:48 PM
Next thinh seafoid will be along belittling Ros's efforts outside Connacht. All Irelands are very hard won. Only caught the last 15 mins on tv, but Tyrone took some lovely scores. Ros laboured with theirs. Tyrone backs on top for most of the bit I saw.
They are, Farra. It depends on what teams learn from losses.
It's all about incremental progress.
Building a winning mentality in Ros will take time.
But it would be great to see and better than blind optimism.
Syf there's more to underage success than having half the County on the Minor back room team.
Need to have a lot of work done before lads reach 17/18.
If your basic level of young Ladeen's is raised then you have a higher level of player coming through to County teams.
No surprise that our last few U 16s and Minor teams were poor.
Awful to see a set up that worked so well being run down.
You can't sit back and think a good Senior County team will inspire young lads.
See Meath for instance.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 19, 2015, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 19, 2015, 08:20:24 AM
Tyrone will now face the irresistible force that is Tipperary. Having taken out the Dubs and Cork, they are a serious outfit with the momentum to win that all ireland. If Tipp can cope with the title of being massive favourites they will be very difficult to beat. Cant wait to see their star players. What a great story it could be...
Tyrone are actually favourites with the bookies, 8/11.
This has been coming down Tipp way. Multiple Munster minor finals recently, an All-Ireland minor, 7 Munster finals in the last 9 years at U21....they're on the cusp of something.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 19, 2015, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 19, 2015, 08:20:24 AM
Tyrone will now face the irresistible force that is Tipperary. Having taken out the Dubs and Cork, they are a serious outfit with the momentum to win that all ireland. If Tipp can cope with the title of being massive favourites they will be very difficult to beat. Cant wait to see their star players. What a great story it could be...
Tyrone are actually favourites with the bookies, 8/11.
This has been coming down Tipp way. Multiple Munster minor finals recently, an All-Ireland minor, 7 Munster finals in the last 9 years at U21....they're on the cusp of something.
Good to see Tipp fuball on the up
The clubs seem to be all different to the hurling.
Make no mistake, the Tipp U21s are a serious footballing outfit, and our lads will need to banish any ideas of being favourites for this one; 'twould be a fatal assumption.
The bookies are full of shite! :)
Having said that, one might, just might expect our lads to prevail if they go at the final with the same clinical intent and industry, but it ain't going to be straightforward, make no mistake.
Is it not basically a north south split?
Wouldn't know their clubs but recognise moyle rovers due to declan browne.
If dubs had won they'd be favourites yet tipp won due to being the best team and aren't favourites. I guess a factor for odds must be tradition.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 19, 2015, 12:03:54 PM
Is it not basically a north south split?
Wouldn't know their clubs but recognise moyle rovers due to declan browne.
If dubs had won they'd be favourites yet tipp won due to being the best team and aren't favourites. I guess a factor for odds must be tradition.
Would agree with that.
Tipp have now beaten Cork and Dublin. So it's no fluke.
Tipp should be favourites in my book.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 19, 2015, 12:03:54 PM
Is it not basically a north south split?
Wouldn't know their clubs but recognise moyle rovers due to declan browne.
If dubs had won they'd be favourites yet tipp won due to being the best team and aren't favourites. I guess a factor for odds must be tradition.
Football dominates in the south but part of the development work is to increase the numbers from north and mid especially. Stephen o brien is Ballina and young halloran is portroe. Both north clubs. At minor and below you have more lads again but as we know at adult level its hard to play both. O Riordan I'd jk brackens which is mid.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 12:32:49 AM
Just back. Roscommon U21 are like Mayo senior - they have a weakness there in terms of winning mentality. Not to mention manliness but they'll improve on that.
Not a vintage Tyrone U21 team but enough physical presence to dominate a weaker side. Roscommon were disappointingly defensive and didn't really know how to play that game.
Stay classy, O'Neill.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 12:32:49 AM
Just back. Roscommon U21 are like Mayo senior - they have a weakness there in terms of winning mentality. Not to mention manliness but they'll improve on that.
Not a vintage Tyrone U21 team but enough physical presence to dominate a weaker side. Roscommon were disappointingly defensive and didn't really know how to play that game.
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;D
Tyrone played that game yesterday on their own terms, helped in no small part by some very naive Roscommon defending. Conor McShane was lucky he didn't see red losing him could have swung the contest however the number 6 for Roscommon was also lucky to stay on.
I watched the highlights of the Munster final and feared the worst for Tipperary however they greatly improved in defence and if they produce a similar performance in the final they will win this All Ireland.
There was n incident in the second half when a Roscommon forward and McGeary were codding about and handbagging. The Ros defender then fell like a sack of spuds, holding his face. He tried to get the Tyrone man sent off. Luckily the game played on around him and after looking at this through his hands he sprung up and played on. It was a despicable act. Real Premier League stuff.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 06:58:52 PM
There was n incident in the second half when a Roscommon forward and McGeary were codding about and handbagging. The Ros defender then fell like a sack of spuds, holding his face. He tried to get the Tyrone man sent off. Luckily the game played on around him and after looking at this through his hands he sprung up and played on. It was a despicable act. Real Premier League stuff.
You lot wrote the book on play acting. Pot and kettle
Sorry, forgot about that.
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Tyrone have won feck all recently so you'd probably be happy with the fair play league as well
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
Briseann an dùchas.........
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:18:37 PM
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Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
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It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Nope, that's just your opinion. You need to be able to distinguish fact from opinion otherwise you make statements that just make you look silly.
Any idea where and when the final will be played?
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Tyrone have won feck all recently so you'd probably be happy with the fair play league as well
What are you saying is they are the aristocrats of under 21 football. Unlike counties like Mayo who lack a winning mentality and Manliness. Their record speaks for itself. You have to only go back 14 years to their last win at this grade. Feck you have to go back to 2006 the last time them whimps from Mayo won a god damn AI at under 21! I fear greatly for Tipperary in the final! ;D
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Ah sure you did very well. You lasted just over 24 hours before pointing the finger at the big bad nordies for bullying your fellas. Most counties barely make to the end of the game.
I really don't understand the accusations being directed at Tyrone for bullying or any other underhand tactic. They played mighty stuff and took some wonderful scores against a very good Roscommon team . I think it was all about the start myself Tyrone came out of the traps like greyhounds and got a decent lead , gave them the upper hand from an early stage.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Ah sure you did very well. You lasted just over 24 hours before pointing the finger at the big bad nordies for bullying your fellas. Most counties barely make to the end of the game.
Grow up Benny. I even said in the post (in response to O'Niell serious/not serious commentary on another incident) that Tyrone won fair and square.
I don't see what there is for you or anyone to gain from defending that pathetic sort of stuff, the player should be told by management to cop on and be the better man. it just reflects poorly on him and on Tyrone otherwise.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Ah sure you did very well. You lasted just over 24 hours before pointing the finger at the big bad nordies for bullying your fellas. Most counties barely make to the end of the game.
Grow up Benny. I even said in the post (in response to O'Niell serious/not serious commentary on another incident) that Tyrone won fair and square.
I don't see what there is for you or anyone to gain from defending that pathetic sort of stuff, the player should be told by management to cop on and be the better man. it just reflects poorly on him and on Tyrone otherwise.
Ah come on, just by sticking on the end of your post that Tyrone won fair and square, doesn't mean that you can make all sorts of accusations about a player, (calling him a joker who had choked, pushed, pulled and punched one of your players) without someone picking you up on your comments. Your little story smacks of sour grapes which aren't evident in any other Rossie who has posted on here.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 06:58:52 PM
There was n incident in the second half when a Roscommon forward and McGeary were codding about and handbagging. The Ros defender then fell like a sack of spuds, holding his face. He tried to get the Tyrone man sent off. Luckily the game played on around him and after looking at this through his hands he sprung up and played on. It was a despicable act. Real Premier League stuff.
that winds me up tarra. In the old days thered be a proper thump and bruise technique used. Nowadays theres not enough proper heavy hits and manly kimsies. If i was the ref id almost as default assume a dive as the physicality is near gone. The wee edge sets up the qualifier later in the year well.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Ah sure you did very well. You lasted just over 24 hours before pointing the finger at the big bad nordies for bullying your fellas. Most counties barely make to the end of the game.
Grow up Benny. I even said in the post (in response to O'Niell serious/not serious commentary on another incident) that Tyrone won fair and square.
I don't see what there is for you or anyone to gain from defending that pathetic sort of stuff, the player should be told by management to cop on and be the better man. it just reflects poorly on him and on Tyrone otherwise.
Ah come on, just by sticking on the end of your post that Tyrone won fair and square, doesn't mean that you can make all sorts of accusations about a player, (calling him a joker who had choked, pushed, pulled and punched one of your players) without someone picking you up on your comments. Your little story smacks of sour grapes which aren't evident in any other Rossie who has posted on here.
It's not an accusation, it happened in full view of a filled stand and the crowd was trying to get the referee to turn around for the better part of a minute.
If you think pointing out stupid behaviour and saying it had nothing to do with the result is sour grapes I really don't know what to say. The siege mentality just seemed to kick in with you and any criticism is refuted as being part of some sort of 'gang up on the Nordies' conspiracy.
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Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 06:58:52 PM
There was n incident in the second half when a Roscommon forward and McGeary were codding about and handbagging. The Ros defender then fell like a sack of spuds, holding his face. He tried to get the Tyrone man sent off. Luckily the game played on around him and after looking at this through his hands he sprung up and played on. It was a despicable act. Real Premier League stuff.
that winds me up tarra. In the old days thered be a proper thump and bruise technique used. Nowadays theres not enough proper heavy hits and manly kimsies. If i was the ref id almost as default assume a dive as the physicality is near gone. The wee edge sets up the qualifier later in the year well.
lol
To be fair to the Roscommon poster, there's nothing worse than being choked, pushed, pullled and wrestled to the ground, for over a minute.
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To be fair to the Roscommon poster, there's nothing worse than being choked, pushed, pullled and wrestled to the ground, for over a minute.
Touch of fifty shades about that.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Ah sure you did very well. You lasted just over 24 hours before pointing the finger at the big bad nordies for bullying your fellas. Most counties barely make to the end of the game.
Grow up Benny. I even said in the post (in response to O'Niell serious/not serious commentary on another incident) that Tyrone won fair and square.
I don't see what there is for you or anyone to gain from defending that pathetic sort of stuff, the player should be told by management to cop on and be the better man. it just reflects poorly on him and on Tyrone otherwise.
Ah come on, just by sticking on the end of your post that Tyrone won fair and square, doesn't mean that you can make all sorts of accusations about a player, (calling him a joker who had choked, pushed, pulled and punched one of your players) without someone picking you up on your comments. Your little story smacks of sour grapes which aren't evident in any other Rossie who has posted on here.
It's not an accusation, it happened in full view of a filled stand and the crowd was trying to get the referee to turn around for the better part of a minute.
If you think pointing out stupid behaviour and saying it had nothing to do with the result is sour grapes I really don't know what to say. The siege mentality just seemed to kick in with you and any criticism is refuted as being part of some sort of 'gang up on the Nordies' conspiracy.
Count to 60 seconds there. So, you are saying McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for that length of time? I'd say that is a fairly big accusation. Now I admit I am being a bit paranoid here when I say that, given the level of negative press that Tyrone get in the media, I'm expecting that they will have a field day about one of our players assaulting another player for a full minute in full view of a filled stand. 60 seconds is a long time to be choking, pulling, pushing, wrestling and punching someone so there will be pictures, video evidence etc in the National press about this I'm sure....Or maybe it was just a bit of handbags that happens in most games up and down the country every Sunday?
Would the Roscommon bus be available for the Final do you reckon?
Just getting a few quotes atm, pm me if you know who to contact for a price
It's in the garage at the moment.
The wheels are coming off.
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It's in the garage at the moment.
The wheels are coming off.
A bit like the Meath GAA set up :P
As for the assault on Ronan Daly "I didn't see it to be honest" until my mate says look at this.
Tyrone 20 should have been booked too for joining in .
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Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Ah sure you did very well. You lasted just over 24 hours before pointing the finger at the big bad nordies for bullying your fellas. Most counties barely make to the end of the game.
Grow up Benny. I even said in the post (in response to O'Niell serious/not serious commentary on another incident) that Tyrone won fair and square.
I don't see what there is for you or anyone to gain from defending that pathetic sort of stuff, the player should be told by management to cop on and be the better man. it just reflects poorly on him and on Tyrone otherwise.
Ah come on, just by sticking on the end of your post that Tyrone won fair and square, doesn't mean that you can make all sorts of accusations about a player, (calling him a joker who had choked, pushed, pulled and punched one of your players) without someone picking you up on your comments. Your little story smacks of sour grapes which aren't evident in any other Rossie who has posted on here.
It's not an accusation, it happened in full view of a filled stand and the crowd was trying to get the referee to turn around for the better part of a minute.
If you think pointing out stupid behaviour and saying it had nothing to do with the result is sour grapes I really don't know what to say. The siege mentality just seemed to kick in with you and any criticism is refuted as being part of some sort of 'gang up on the Nordies' conspiracy.
Count to 60 seconds there. So, you are saying McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for that length of time? I'd say that is a fairly big accusation. Now I admit I am being a bit paranoid here when I say that, given the level of negative press that Tyrone get in the media, I'm expecting that they will have a field day about one of our players assaulting another player for a full minute in full view of a filled stand. 60 seconds is a long time to be choking, pulling, pushing, wrestling and punching someone so there will be pictures, video evidence etc in the National press about this I'm sure....Or maybe it was just a bit of handbags that happens in most games up and down the country every Sunday?
Yes he did, it happened in plain sight no anti-Northern conspiracy about it. It was so late in the game as well no need for it at all and yes it didn't reflect well on the player or Tyrone.
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
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Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
::)
Whatever the rights or wrongs of who did what to whom, Roscommon didn't seem to have the knowledge (football intelligence) or more importantly the heart for the battle on Saturday. That should be a much bigger worry to the Rossies that anything else
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Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
So he just picked on him for no reason, when the game was in the bag and the Roscommon player let him push, pull, punch and wrestle him whilst passively standing there? That's awful stuff! Poor old Roscommon, the definition of restraint. Maybe you'll win the fair play league?
Read that again and tell me where I said that.
Ah right so it was six of one then? You implied it was all McNultys fault!
It was 100% instigated and continued by McNulty. You can dress it in a frilly dress if you want but it was what it was.
Ah sure you did very well. You lasted just over 24 hours before pointing the finger at the big bad nordies for bullying your fellas. Most counties barely make to the end of the game.
Grow up Benny. I even said in the post (in response to O'Niell serious/not serious commentary on another incident) that Tyrone won fair and square.
I don't see what there is for you or anyone to gain from defending that pathetic sort of stuff, the player should be told by management to cop on and be the better man. it just reflects poorly on him and on Tyrone otherwise.
Ah come on, just by sticking on the end of your post that Tyrone won fair and square, doesn't mean that you can make all sorts of accusations about a player, (calling him a joker who had choked, pushed, pulled and punched one of your players) without someone picking you up on your comments. Your little story smacks of sour grapes which aren't evident in any other Rossie who has posted on here.
It's not an accusation, it happened in full view of a filled stand and the crowd was trying to get the referee to turn around for the better part of a minute.
If you think pointing out stupid behaviour and saying it had nothing to do with the result is sour grapes I really don't know what to say. The siege mentality just seemed to kick in with you and any criticism is refuted as being part of some sort of 'gang up on the Nordies' conspiracy.
Count to 60 seconds there. So, you are saying McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for that length of time? I'd say that is a fairly big accusation. Now I admit I am being a bit paranoid here when I say that, given the level of negative press that Tyrone get in the media, I'm expecting that they will have a field day about one of our players assaulting another player for a full minute in full view of a filled stand. 60 seconds is a long time to be choking, pulling, pushing, wrestling and punching someone so there will be pictures, video evidence etc in the National press about this I'm sure....Or maybe it was just a bit of handbags that happens in most games up and down the country every Sunday?
Yes he did, it happened in plain sight no anti-Northern conspiracy about it. It was so late in the game as well no need for it at all and yes it didn't reflect well on the player or Tyrone.
Take your time lads , go and watch the match, seen the incident at the game but watched the game again last night, and you will see that Mc Nulty is first grabbed by the throat whilst he is on his back, that is what Mc Nulty reacted to. And fair play to him, take no shit from some player who wants to grab you on the throat when your defenceless on your back as Mc Nulty was when the incident started.
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Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 10:17:08 PM
To be fair to the Roscommon poster, there's nothing worse than being choked, pushed, pullled and wrestled to the ground, for over a minute.
Touch of fifty shades about that.
Look it,if he wanted a kiss he shoulda just asked for a kiss an I think it was a forty-five!
Quote from: time ticking away on April 20, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Whatever the rights or wrongs of who did what to whom, Roscommon didn't seem to have the knowledge (football intelligence) or more importantly the heart for the battle on Saturday. That should be a much bigger worry to the Rossies that anything else
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You're not really helping yourselves trying to brush stuff like that under the rug. It's just going to come back and bite you in the long run.
That should be a much bigger worry to Tyrone than someone mentioning what happened.
And the poster trying to make out Daly instigated it - nope, and the replay you're refering to does not show anything close to the full incident.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this nonsense.
Quote from: time ticking away on April 20, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Whatever the rights or wrongs of who did what to whom, Roscommon didn't seem to have the knowledge (football intelligence) or more importantly the heart for the battle on Saturday. That should be a much bigger worry to the Rossies that anything else
For all their domination, football savvy and heart for the battle Tyrone were only 2 ahead with 5 minutes to go.
Ros outscored then 12-10 over a 50 minute period despite our failings and not being at the races.
Worry about that and let us decent people get on with what we do best - being nice friendly hospitable people with nice soft gentle accents.
And we're not that bad at th'oul football either.
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
I was surprised that Ros lost this, thought they were the team to beat. What is amazing though is that Cavan have won 4 Ulsters in a row, yet were pipped every time bar one in the semi yet Tyrone, who have not been competing at this level in 5/6 years get one Ulster and straight through to the All Ireland. I wouldn't be surprised if they win it. Some teams are just great at finishing games on the big day for some reason.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
You can back this all up with stats?
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
You can back this all up with stats?
Did ye Tyrone fellas watch a different game or are ye just blinkered regarding the antics of your own team?
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2015, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on April 20, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Whatever the rights or wrongs of who did what to whom, Roscommon didn't seem to have the knowledge (football intelligence) or more importantly the heart for the battle on Saturday. That should be a much bigger worry to the Rossies that anything else
::)
You're not really helping yourselves trying to brush stuff like that under the rug. It's just going to come back and bite you in the long run.
That should be a much bigger worry to Tyrone than someone mentioning what happened.
And the poster trying to make out Daly instigated it - nope, and the replay you're refering to does not show anything close to the full incident.
Daly most certainly had Mcnulty held down by the throat on the ground as the first action of the whole incident. I really dont know how you can say otherwise.
Im also not sure why such a big deal is being made of it, both players picked up bookings for their part in it and Tyrone had the game pretty much won at that stage anyway.
Jesus Saturday was brilliant, like the cork match I really thought Dublin would have had too much for us but our lads showed great determination and skill. Our backs were outstanding and forwards worked really hard, the 2nd half and especially last 10 mins when we really pushed up on their kickouts and forced them to kick it long where we dominated was a joy to watch. poor old dessie farrell must really hate the sight of a tipp jersey. A word on the Dublin support, I know they are poorly supported outside senior but to have 500 or so there from Dublin was truly atrocious, fair play to the ones who were there but for a county who can only play championship games at croke park because they have such a big support its embarrassing that for a big all Ireland final this is all that travelled.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
Sore loser or what. The simple fact is that Tyrone played better as a unit than Roscommon and possessed better individual players. Additionally, their gameplan was more cohesive than that of Roscommon.
Tyrone won the game Saturday. For whatever reason,the Roscommon lads just couldn't get going. Tyrone from the throw in imposed themselves on the game and on the day fully deserved the victory and were far and away the better team.
Any Roscommon supporter especially coming on here now making excuses about the referee, complaining about Tyrone tactics or some player allegedly doing something untoward would IMO be embarrassing themselves, their county and taking away from an excellent Tyrone performance and a brilliant game of football played by 2 very good teams.
Some people are never happy. 2 good teams met on Saturday in an all ireland semi final - they went at it for 60 plus minutes an put up a great show. IMO on Saturday gaelic football which has often been bemoaned recently was the winner. Take your hat off to the Tyrone lads and to the Roscommon lads who gave us a great spectacle.
Best of luck to Tyrone and commiserations to the Rossies.
All that is wrong with GAA football can be seen in this thread in the last few pages. Such sh*te been posted I never saw the likes of.
Quote from: orangeman on April 20, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Tyrone won the game Saturday. For whatever reason,the Roscommon lads just couldn't get going. Tyrone from the throw in imposed themselves on the game and on the day fully deserved the victory and were far and away the better team.
Any Roscommon supporter especially coming on here now making excuses about the referee, complaining about Tyrone tactics or some player allegedly doing something untoward would IMO be embarrassing themselves, their county and taking away from an excellent Tyrone performance and a brilliant game of football played by 2 very good teams.
Some people are never happy. 2 good teams met on Saturday in an all ireland semi final - they went at it for 60 plus minutes an put up a great show. IMO on Saturday gaelic football which has often been bemoaned recently was the winner. Take your hat off to the Tyrone lads and to the Roscommon lads who gave us a great spectacle.
Best of luck to Tyrone and commiserations to the Rossies.
I think we're all in agreement that Tyrone were by far the better team and deservedly won, however that does not mean that their antics are not free from critique.
Maybe I imagined this but did the Roscommon number 6 elbow Mc Glone (tyrone no.15) in the face and then lie down himself, holding his own face.
Maybe the centre half back has northern relations
Lads we're in our first AI final for a long time so let'd enjoy it and not be adding to the already bad press we get on here. IMHO yes read it but don't reply at all as it just snowballs
Of course we are always gonna get a tough time for the way we play and I'd say Tipperary would much rather have met Roscommon as it wouldn't have been such a war of attrition.
When is the venue announced?
Anyway on a totally different note
What was that patter on the back of the Rossie shirts?
(http://img.rasset.ie/000a74ba-642.jpg)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0418/695006-roscommon-v-tyrone/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0418/695006-roscommon-v-tyrone/)
I'm afraid, my fellow Rossies, if we want to know the reasons we lost this game, we need to look in the mirror. Yes, the ref was suspect, but that's the way it goes. Yes, Cathal Mc Shane could have been sent off, but so could Cathal Kenny.. We were responsible for our own downfall. A number of our 'leading' players didn't perform on the day. We know who they were.. We were often weak in the tackle with Tyrone players brushing us aside. Our defence was poor, giving too much space away. How many times did Tyrone switch play from one wing to the other and find a Tyrone player unmarked in yards of space? Plus, we didn't have any visible game plan.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 20, 2015, 11:12:31 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
You can back this all up with stats?
Did ye Tyrone fellas watch a different game or are ye just blinkered regarding the antics of your own team?
How did the Rossie player who completely emptied the tyrone player with a elbow to the face at the sideline get away with that. In front of a blind linesman. The only genuine attempt to carry the head of aplayer in the game.
I worry that Tipp are made for Tyrone.
They have a few talismanic players like O'Riordan who the Tyrone lads will target and frustrate.
Quote from: time ticking away on April 20, 2015, 12:10:54 PM
Maybe I imagined this but did the Roscommon number 6 elbow Mc Glone (tyrone no.15) in the face and then lie down himself, holding his own face.
Maybe the centre half back has northern relations
Yeah 100%. McGlone was lucky not to be sent off at that incident as on first viewing it looked like he swung. However the reply showed it was you described it.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 20, 2015, 12:22:40 PM
I'm afraid, my fellow Rossies, if we want to know the reasons we lost this game, we need to look in the mirror. Yes, the ref was suspect, but that's the way it goes. Yes, Cathal Mc Shane could have been sent off, but so could Cathal Kenny.. We were responsible for our own downfall. A number of our 'leading' players didn't perform on the day. We know who they were.. We were often weak in the tackle with Tyrone players brushing us aside. Our defence was poor, giving too much space away. How many times did Tyrone switch play from one wing to the other and find a Tyrone player unmarked in yards of space? Plus, we didn't have any visible game plan.
Again Cathal could've been off for this. However it would've been harsh. Watch it again. He was jumping for the ball straight into the sun, and completely lost his way in the air. I don't think he even seen his opponent coming. Gingers normally don't like the sun anyhow.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 20, 2015, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 20, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Tyrone won the game Saturday. For whatever reason,the Roscommon lads just couldn't get going. Tyrone from the throw in imposed themselves on the game and on the day fully deserved the victory and were far and away the better team.
Any Roscommon supporter especially coming on here now making excuses about the referee, complaining about Tyrone tactics or some player allegedly doing something untoward would IMO be embarrassing themselves, their county and taking away from an excellent Tyrone performance and a brilliant game of football played by 2 very good teams.
Some people are never happy. 2 good teams met on Saturday in an all ireland semi final - they went at it for 60 plus minutes an put up a great show. IMO on Saturday gaelic football which has often been bemoaned recently was the winner. Take your hat off to the Tyrone lads and to the Roscommon lads who gave us a great spectacle.
Best of luck to Tyrone and commiserations to the Rossies.
I think we're all in agreement that Tyrone were by far the better team and deservedly won, however that does not mean that their antics are not free from critique.
I agree and the only reason I responded to that other Roscommon fella's comments in the McNulty / Daly incident was because I felt he was painting a critique of the incident in a fairly blinkered way - critiques are fine but you must also expected to be critiqued yourself. The incident is only mentioned in one newspaper report where its described as a situation where tempers nearly boiled over and both men where yellow carded - had it been a 60 second assault on the full back, like suggested, I'm pretty sure some of the reports would have mentioned it.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 20, 2015, 01:00:48 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 20, 2015, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 20, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Tyrone won the game Saturday. For whatever reason,the Roscommon lads just couldn't get going. Tyrone from the throw in imposed themselves on the game and on the day fully deserved the victory and were far and away the better team.
Any Roscommon supporter especially coming on here now making excuses about the referee, complaining about Tyrone tactics or some player allegedly doing something untoward would IMO be embarrassing themselves, their county and taking away from an excellent Tyrone performance and a brilliant game of football played by 2 very good teams.
Some people are never happy. 2 good teams met on Saturday in an all ireland semi final - they went at it for 60 plus minutes an put up a great show. IMO on Saturday gaelic football which has often been bemoaned recently was the winner. Take your hat off to the Tyrone lads and to the Roscommon lads who gave us a great spectacle.
Best of luck to Tyrone and commiserations to the Rossies.
I think we're all in agreement that Tyrone were by far the better team and deservedly won, however that does not mean that their antics are not free from critique.
I agree and the only reason I responded to that other Roscommon fella's comments in the McNulty / Daly incident was because I felt he was painting a critique of the incident in a fairly blinkered way - critiques are fine but you must also expected to be critiqued yourself. The incident is only mentioned in one newspaper report where its described as a situation where tempers nearly boiled over and both men where yellow carded - had it been a 60 second assault on the full back, like suggested, I'm pretty sure some of the reports would have mentioned it.
I see your point here but I don't think you can dismiss by saying it's not really been reported on therefore it mustn't be true. From what I witnessed McNulty instigated it, the TV cameras didn't paint the full picture of the incident but it was just wholly unnecessary and as I've said doesn't reflect well on the player or his team.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 20, 2015, 11:12:31 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
You can back this all up with stats?
Did ye Tyrone fellas watch a different game or are ye just blinkered regarding the antics of your own team?
No did you see all these antics? Abuse of 4 step rule? Throw balls & all the elbows. Not one mention in all the coverage was it mentioned.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 20, 2015, 11:21:14 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
Sore loser or what. The simple fact is that Tyrone played better as a unit than Roscommon and possessed better individual players. Additionally, their gameplan was more cohesive than that of Roscommon.
Nothing to do with losing. Agree totally with your last 2 sentences and no one in Ros ( not even Syfín) will say anything different.
Still doesn't absolve ye from all the oul tricks and Refs from not taking charge of the game and implementing the rules.
From a Ros point of view - we won 2 Minors in Connacht in 2011/12 but failed at National level.
Won 2 U21s 14/15 -- again didn't make it at National level.
Until we learn how to defend we are not going to be winning things at the top National level. I doubt if any more than one of last Saturday's defenders will make regular Seniors - and we have only two real defenders at that level, one of whom doesn't get to play very often.
Now maybe the Rhubarbs trolls will lay off the false building up of Ros and maybe switch their attentions to Tyrone or Tipperary >:(
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on April 20, 2015, 11:12:31 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 20, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
Tyrone ones getting very sensitive. This current under 21 team have a winning way about them. Not always the most pleasant but they have a way of getting the job done. Their senior team has been missing that for quite a while. Long may that continue.
It will until we get strong referees to implement the rules.
What do you actually mean by this
4 steps rule, no throwing, red cards for deliberately elbowing midfielers in the face at throw ins. Yellow cards for systematic persistent fouling, backroom people to be sent to the stand for constantly badgering linesmen.............
That will do for a start.
You can back this all up with stats?
Did ye Tyrone fellas watch a different game or are ye just blinkered regarding the antics of your own team?
No did you see all these antics? Abuse of 4 step rule? Throw balls & all the elbows. Not one mention in all the coverage was it mentioned.
I did actually think the ref was a tad poor though
I missed from about the 20th - 45th mins of the game but while the red arses were in control , they seemed a bit clueless too often in attack.
the ref imo allowed way too much pulling and dragging on and off the ball - and from what I saw this heavily favoured Roscommon
but the game was won and lost in that the whesties didn't have the balls or the brains to win the match. I know they have skill but hid it well on Sunday.
lets hope Tipp can play with hearts and brains in the final !
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 20, 2015, 12:21:24 PM
Lads we're in our first AI final for a long time so let'd enjoy it and not be adding to the already bad press we get on here. IMHO yes read it but don't reply at all as it just snowballs
Of course we are always gonna get a tough time for the way we play and I'd say Tipperary would much rather have met Roscommon as it wouldn't have been such a war of attrition.
When is the venue announced?
Anyway on a totally different note
What was that patter on the back of the Rossie shirts?
(http://img.rasset.ie/000a74ba-642.jpg)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0418/695006-roscommon-v-tyrone/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0418/695006-roscommon-v-tyrone/)
County Roscommon showing club areas. Yer man number 9 was in the dive position all day! Tyrone played really well. Ability to retain ball, even going 20 yards backwards until a player received a lateral foot pass in loads of space was a joy to behold. Very well coached team, one of the best performances I have seen in a long time, how they did not win by more is a mystery. Rosie's were flat, no one bar fullback performed, we do not carry favourites tag very well.
From what I've heard it's between navan and parrnell park for the final, parrnell park being a tighter pitch would probably suit Tyrone ?
I was thinking it might be Mullingar. Parnell Park would be a good spin from Clonmel.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 02:12:18 PM
I was thinking it might be Mullingar. Parnell Park would be a good spin from Clonmel.
I thought the same, parnell wouldn't be the worst, pretty much motorway all the way.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 02:12:18 PM
I was thinking it might be Mullingar. Parnell Park would be a good spin from Clonmel.
I remember Tyrone played limerick in an all ireland U21 final in mullingar I think
Eirgrid GAA Football All Ireland U21 Championship 2015 Final
6 00 PM
Tipperary vs.Tyrone
Páirc Tailteann
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 20, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Eirgrid GAA Football All Ireland U21 Championship 2015 Final
6 00 PM
Tipperary vs.Tyrone
Páirc Tailteann
incredibly short notice
Why? It's nearly 2 weeks.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 20, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Eirgrid GAA Football All Ireland U21 Championship 2015 Final
6 00 PM
Tipperary vs.Tyrone
Páirc Tailteann
Ach,apropos or what.The Premier versus the Redhand do battle over the hill of Tara for all Ireland at the onset of gaelic summer.Mighty stuff and I hope it inspires them to more of the same quality football weve been spoiled with throughout the competition.luck to them both.
Our Last U21 final back in 2003 was at that venue. We lost to the Dubs that day a week after the senior AI final.
Handy for us Dub based lads
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 03:57:59 PM
Why? It's nearly 2 weeks.
t'was a wee joke AZ, there was no date in the post
Ah, sorry :) Yeah, it'd be a fair rush up to Navan. You'd want to be left an hour ago.
Syferus will probably be travelling to Navan to hand out leaflets with Willie Frazer detailing various miscarriages of justice from the semi -final so the nice players from Tipp don't fall for the same 'doirty' tricks as the Rossie choirboys.
Tipp have shown great heart and fight so far, and I wouldn't expect them to shirk any physical exchanges either, it's not really in their DNA. Tyrone may be a better team, and may well win it, but I hope, and expect, Tipp to give a good account of themselves.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 04:44:31 PM
Tipp have shown great heart and fight so far, and I wouldn't expect them to shirk any physical exchanges either, it's not really in their DNA. Tyrone may be a better team, and may well win it, but I hope, and expect, Tipp to give a good account of themselves.
I'd love to see Tipp win it
Does Pairc Tailteann still have the grass hills and outdated stand? Would have thought one of the refurbished stadiums would have got to host this All Ireland final.
Surprised it's not Mullingar. If it was Roscommon it would probably be Tullamore again, but Tipp borders Offaly, even if South Tipp is a good spin, so it was always unlikey to be O'Connor Park. Mullingar would have been a decent should, but I suppose Navan isn't that much further from Mullingar.
A good weekend in Tipp's journey to becoming a football county. Go n-éirí an bóthar libh!
The neutral in me says I hope Tipp win.
I have to give a respectful nod though to Tyrone's underage success over the last 20 years.
Hard luck to the Rossies, 4 Connachts in 6 years is very good.
Also a nod to the Dubs who were obviously hot favourites, but haven't polluted this thread with pointless whinging.
Quote from: muppet on April 20, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
The neutral in me says I hope Tipp win.
I have to give a respectful nod though to Tyrone's underage success over the last 20 years.
Hard luck to the Rossies, 4 Connachts in 6 years is very good.
Also a nod to the Dubs who were obviously hot favourites, but haven't polluted this thread with pointless whinging.
Pointing out facts more like.
Just Muppeteen on the wind up. Not like he has much to be following in April anyways..
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2015, 08:15:10 PM
Just Muppeteen on the wind up. Not like he has much to be following in April anyways..
In the GAA world the month is usually August or September even . April! Really?
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2015, 08:15:10 PM
Just Muppeteen on the wind up. Not like he has much to be following in April anyways..
::) I don't know who's worse, you or Rossfan. Take yer batin and move on... Fair play to Shrewdness, staying classy as always. Ye're forwards were well beaten (the last 20 mins I saw of it anyway), and Tyrone were able to score from better angles. Someone mentioned that Ros got to 2 points in the last few mins. True, but fair play to Tyrone they withstood that period and rode out the pressure. And sparre me the 'rhubarb' shite as well.
Jases Farr but you're gettin very cranky. :P
I think you'll find ALL THE ROS FANS here said Tyrone were the better team by far.
It's just they don't need the "tricks".
Just saw highlights of the other Semi on TG4. Jeesus them Tipp lads looked like giants compared to some of the Dubeens.
Needless to say all neutrals will be hoping for a Tipp win in the Final on the green grassy slopes.
Roscommon game Now on TG4 player
Am watching this now on my TV using a Chromecast
Just wondering do other people find that for most of it the picture isn't very sharp but the odd time it is very sharp picture
Recovering slowly from saturday evening, we were well beaten by a better team on the day, we needed to start fast but tyrone ran rings around us, no excuse we were well beaten, hopefully our players and management will learn lessons from that defeat that can be used on another day, our senior players were well marked and never allowed to play, driving to the match on saturday I heard an interview with Gary Speed about his time playing soccer, he said the first thing a team has to do is stop the opposition playing,
how true that was on saturday, one observation tyrone u21 players were withdrawn from the senior panel some weeks ago and will be playing div 2 football next year, ros u21 were available to the seniors and are now in div 1, did tyrone pay a price for this u21 success and vice versa for ros, which would you choose, from where we are div 1 by a mile. A silver lining in every cloud.
How? How could you lose, given the splendor of the Connacht final and the elan with which you played? Had you played as well again, no way would Tyrone have beaten ye. Glorious chance missed.
Roscommon were well behind at one stage against Galway, They came well and won in a high scoring game. Galway wouldn't have the type of intensity as Tyrone.
Roscommon only had one game in Connacht, as the Semi final against Sligo was a joke score line.
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 21, 2015, 11:08:34 PM
Roscommon were well behind at one stage against Galway, They came well and won in a high scoring game. Galway wouldn't have the type of intensity as Tyrone.
Roscommon only had one game in Connacht, as the Semi final against Sligo was a joke score line.
Plenty of intensity in the Galway. Just a different type of intensity.
The month of April separates the men from the boys.
Listening to that Tyrone U-21 management team they seem to have a serious chip on their shoulder about everything. They said they were ready to rip walls down before the Armagh game (why specifically Armagh I don't know) and Logan was on complaining in the last few days that Paddy Power give them no chance last Saturday against Roscommon!! All a bit childish from men who should be above all that nonsense. They probably feel under pressure to win this AI title as its almost like a final interview for the senior job for them for next season. Win and the Tyrone senior job is almost certainly their's, lose and it will all be a big anti climax.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 05:09:22 PM
Surprised it's not Mullingar. If it was Roscommon it would probably be Tullamore again, but Tipp borders Offaly, even if South Tipp is a good spin, so it was always unlikey to be O'Connor Park. Mullingar would have been a decent should, but I suppose Navan isn't that much further from Mullingar.
I doubt we really wanted it. Wouldn't help the case for funding to redevelop Cusack Park if we hosted an AI fnal.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 24, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 05:09:22 PM
Surprised it's not Mullingar. If it was Roscommon it would probably be Tullamore again, but Tipp borders Offaly, even if South Tipp is a good spin, so it was always unlikey to be O'Connor Park. Mullingar would have been a decent should, but I suppose Navan isn't that much further from Mullingar.
I doubt we really wanted it. Wouldn't help the case for funding to redevelop Cusack Park if we hosted an AI fnal.
really?
what money are they going to waste on the place?
Game isn't on in navan anymore, don't know where it is to be played yet. Parrnell, mullingar and Longford only 3 I can imagine
Quote from: tippabu on April 24, 2015, 11:11:26 PM
Game isn't on in navan anymore, don't know where it is to be played yet. Parrnell, mullingar and Longford only 3 I can imagine
Where did you hear that tippabu?
on the tipp gaa forum. Paul collins from today fm saying it on twitter too. Parnell park seems most likely
OK, thanks for that.
Quote from: tippabu on April 24, 2015, 11:11:26 PM
Game isn't on in navan anymore, don't know where it is to be played yet. Parrnell, mullingar and Longford only 3 I can imagine
Hyde.
I suppose roscommon would have been expected to be involved in some shape in the final!! Think it looks like parnell
Quote from: Syferus on April 21, 2015, 11:31:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 21, 2015, 11:08:34 PM
Roscommon were well behind at one stage against Galway, They came well and won in a high scoring game. Galway wouldn't have the type of intensity as Tyrone.
Roscommon only had one game in Connacht, as the Semi final against Sligo was a joke score line.
Plenty of intensity in the Galway. Just a different type of intensity.
If it doesnt have a 100 tackles- by Northern standards it doesn't count. Remember that.
Looking like Parnell (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=236095)
The U21 final Tyrone V Tipperary will take place in Parnell Park on Sat Next May 2nd , 6pm , ref Fergal Kelly , Longford.
Fergal Kelly. That's tyrone fecked
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 25, 2015, 05:11:49 PM
Fergal Kelly. That's tyrone fecked
Hope your Plan B's not fecked! :P
Was looking for a picture of the 2001 AI winning team but hard to find a good size one on google images
Can any of ye name the team?
Are many of ye coming down for the game? Fancy meeting up Sat night?
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/
Yeah I mean with no watermark or logo over them.
Can you post them online without permission?
Looking at the role of honour its interesting how many team win 2 in a row or 2 over three years
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/
That's 2002 they beat Limerick in 2001.
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 27, 2015, 06:55:27 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/
That's 2002 they beat Limerick in 2001.
Tyrone weren't in the final in 2002.
And if that's a 2002 team, then most of them were overage and not U21.
Quote from: Rois on April 28, 2015, 09:11:12 AM
And if that's a 2002 team, then most of them were overage and not U21.
This would explain a lot. ;D
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/
Few faces in there I don't recognise.
Anyone wanna name them L to R
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 28, 2015, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/
Few faces in there I don't recognise.
Anyone wanna name them L to R
Team for the day
P McConnell, C Gormley, D O'Hanlon, M McGee, C Meenagh, G Devlin, P Jordan, P Donnelly, C McAnallen, R Mellon, B McGuigan. S O'Neill, E McGinley, K Hughes, E Mulligan.
Tracksuits wearers
S McNally, M Anderson, D Harte, M Hughes, P O'Farrel, P O'Neill, S Sweeney, G Wylie, O Devine, D Treacy
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 28, 2015, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/
Few faces in there I don't recognise.
Anyone wanna name them L to R
Team for the day
P McConnell, C Gormley, D O'Hanlon, M McGee, C Meenagh, G Devlin, P Jordan, P Donnelly, C McAnallen, R Mellon, B McGuigan. S O'Neill, E McGinley, K Hughes, E Mulligan.
Tracksuits wearers
S McNally, M Anderson, D Harte, M Hughes, P O'Farrel, P O'Neill, S Sweeney, G Wylie, O Devine, D Treacy
Some set of forward there for an U-21 team.
An All-Ireland champion at 15, the Mayo nightmare of 2012 and concussion concerns
Colin O'Riordan captains Tipperary in next Saturday's All-Ireland U21 football final.
AFTER 77 YEARS the drought was ended but the young Tipperary architects could be forgiven for not absorbing the significance of it.
Tipperary's 2011 All-Ireland minor win was a seismic achievement. They launched a dramatic comeback that day to storm Dublin and collect only the county's second ever national crown at that level.
Colin O'Riordan was a few weeks shy of his 16th birthday and freely admits it was difficult to appreciate the magnitude of that September feat.
"I don't think I understood it much at the time. It was great to be coming in to a team that was winning. The games kept coming and we kept winning them. You can't really savour it as much, you are there to do a job.
"You are not looking for taps on the back, you are there to win a medal. You do enjoy it, you enjoy playing football but the real enjoyment is when you win the cup."
If 2011 represented a dizzying high, 2012 brought about a shattering low. Tipperary may have got their business done in Munster but their All-Ireland hopes were scuppered at the quarter-final stage by Mayo.
Recent months have been joyous as they journeyed to next Saturday's EirGrid All-Ireland U21 football decider but the memories of that Mayo loss remain sobering.
"Going up on the bus to the Dublin game (in the All-Ireland semi-final) Steven (O'Brien) was talking to me about the special group of lads we have," recalls O'Riordan.
"I told him I had a nightmare there last night and he started laughing at me. I was after dreaming about the Mayo match and he said just make sure it doesn't happen today.
"I honestly still do get nightmares about it and it's not just a cliche. You wake up and you think if only, if only, if only. But we have a chance to rectify that now and hopefully we can do it."
O'Riordan is captain and the heartbeat of the Tipperary U21 side but he feared he could be a bystander earlier this month for their Munster final date with Cork.
In late March, he was stretchered off after receiving a heavy tackle in a senior league game against Sligo. He endured an anxious wait after that concussion before receiving the green light to play in the U21 decider.
"It wasn't easy now. You had to pass all the protocols and it's usually a very slow process. All I wanted to do was to go out and play football but the doctors kept saying 'No you are not allowed. We can't let you out tonight.'
"The first day I passed it I drove down to the field and you let all your emotions out. It's a great feeling then but up to that there was serious doubts.
"You get knocks on the head and I am sure that's not the first concussion I suffered but it's the first one that's after being diagnosed. Concussion is becoming a big topic now all over Ireland with the rugby. There is massive protocols gone in there and it is only right.
"At the end of the day it is a brain injury and your health is your wealth. It's an old cliche but that's it. And you're no good if your brain is hurt and you go playing it's only going to make it ten times worse."
O'Riordan overcame that hurdle and is now on the brink of being part of another milestone for Tipperary football.
"At the start of the year if you tipped a Tipperay v Tyrone U21 final people would have laughed at you, people would have said you were mad. But we are there now and we always had the belief that this group was something special. This is another stepping stone in the pond and hopefully we can take this one."
Colin O'Riordan: Doubt always starts to creep in
It is the 1% that gnaws away at Colin O'Riordan.
He's not sure he'll ever be rid of it, the crumb of self-doubt permanently lodged in the mindset of the Tipperary footballer.
During most games it is ignored, not an issue. But when the opposition is draped in green and gold, red and white or sky blue, it boils to the surface, kicking and screaming.
You'd imagine an All-Ireland minor medal won at the age of 15, three victories apiece over Cork and Kerry at minor level. and an All-Star nomination in his debut season at senior level would lend itself to a confident young footballer relatively free of self-doubt.
"You go out everyday in the Tipperary jersey and you are 99% sure you have a right chance of winning, but it is that 1% in the back of your mind telling you that the Corks and Dublins of the football world are meant to be better than you," says the Tipp U21 captain.
"It sticks in the back of your head that if something goes wrong in a game against one of the traditional forces that you could be in for an onslaught. You are thinking maybe they are better than us. The doubt starts to creep in that maybe you are not as good as you thought you were."
So, how strongly did that 1% play on the Tipperary midfielder when Peter Kelleher bagged two goals either side of half-time in the Munster final to move Cork 2-4 to 0-8 clear or when Dublin forged out an 0-8 to 0-3 advantage early in the second-half of their All-Ireland semi-final contest?
"There was doubt, of course. There is something different about this group, however. They don't believe in losing. They don't think we might lose. They always think win, win, win. That's not the usual attitude of a Tipperary footballer.
"My father played for Tipperary and although he never got over the line against either Cork or Kerry, he has taught me not to settle for moral victories. Is he telling me to enjoy this period of progression for Tipperary football? No. Dad's attitude is spot on and I suppose that is working against the 1% too.
"When you beat the Corks and the Dublins then, the belief becomes massive. The realisation you have beaten these lads brings you on no end."
The 19-year old believes the county's football revolution is a work in progress and outside respect can only be achieved by a breakthrough at senior level, not an All-Ireland U21 final win.
"We are contending with the likes of Cork, Dublin, and now Tyrone. People don't see that as the norm. Should people think we should be there the whole time? I don't think so. We have to make the breakthrough at senior before we get proper, proper recognition.
"We won the minor and here we are in the All-Ireland U21 final. Steps have to be taken before we can push on and get recognition. This is just another step that needs to be taken."
Two pieces above from interviews with Colin O'Riordan, very good attitude and good head on young shoulders, hard to believe he is still under 21 next year. Stephen O'Brien who has been just as good this year is 10 days or so overage for 21s next year too, they should have hidden him under the bed for a couple of weeks!!
Datsun Donaghy with a video message for the Tyrone U21 team
https://vimeo.com/126304476
Haven't been to Parnell Park in years - assume best way is just down Collins Av? Any advice on the best place to park on a Saturday evening?
Quote from: Rois on April 29, 2015, 03:32:19 PM
Haven't been to Parnell Park in years - assume best way is just down Collins Av? Any advice on the best place to park on a Saturday evening?
Personally would park in or around St Vincents GAA club. Fairly longish road into the clubhouse with on street parking either side. Coming from the northside it is the first right after the Church. Coming from the city first left after the golf club entrance.
Thanks, that'll do the job nicely.
Quote from: muppet on April 28, 2015, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 28, 2015, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/
Few faces in there I don't recognise.
Anyone wanna name them L to R
Team for the day
P McConnell, C Gormley, D O'Hanlon, M McGee, C Meenagh, G Devlin, P Jordan, P Donnelly, C McAnallen, R Mellon, B McGuigan. S O'Neill, E McGinley, K Hughes, E Mulligan.
Tracksuits wearers
S McNally, M Anderson, D Harte, M Hughes, P O'Farrel, P O'Neill, S Sweeney, G Wylie, O Devine, D Treacy
Some set of forward there for an U-21 team.
I make it 15 of that squad went on to win senior AI medals
16 surely?
13 from the starting 15 plus Shane Sweeney & David Harte.
Ciaran Meenagh & Darren O'Hanlon were the 2 starters to miss out on senior glory.
When you look at those stats it really is amazing just how talented that group really were. I'm just glad I was around to enjoy all their glory days.
Rois, if you're c coming early to the Beachcomer just park beside it or behind it.
Aye come down Collins ave to Howth Rd.
Loads of wee side streets to park on there for free. Safe to leave car overnight too as long as nothing visible.
Hope Tipp win Saturday
Quote from: Rois on April 29, 2015, 03:32:19 PM
Haven't been to Parnell Park in years - assume best way is just down Collins Av? Any advice on the best place to park on a Saturday evening?
Parking should be safe enough, but as Fuzzman said don't invite attention by leaving anything visible. I lived just north of there for 5 years and never had any hassle with the car or house (but it does happen obviously). If you are planning a quick getaway afterwards I wouldn't park on the Beachcomber side.
If traffic is busy on the way to the match, take the N32 towards Malahide, then the Malahide road into town. After the second roundabout take the first left onto Killester Avenue and park the car somewhere there, ideally facing the opposite direction.
If traffic is fine, as you said, Collins Avenue is the simplest and I would have no fear or parking on one of the side streets close to Kitty Kiernans pub. I used to go there and the had a decent Guinness (although the Beachcomber had better Guinness).
If you are in no rush away afterwards, and if you really want the car safe, you could leave it in the (supervised) car park at Harry Byrne's pub (have a quick pint or coke though), which is a 10 minutes walk towards town from the Beachcomber on the Howth Road. That would be 15-20 mins walk from Parnell Park. The other safe option is to leave it in the shopping centre to the right of the Beachcomber. But both of those would be slow in getting to the M1 after the game.
Thanks Fuzz/Muppet - I'm the driver and my passenger is all for waiting it out until the traffic dies down (i.e. pint afterwards) so being slow to get to the M1 will be fine.
Quote from: heffo on April 30, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
Hope Tipp win Saturday
Dog bites man shocker!
I'd be very surprised, nay shocked, if the vast majority of neutrals weren't rooting for Tipp on Saturday, even you dyed-in-the-wool Dubs who just adore us! :P :)
If you wanted you can park at Whitehall church car park (at the end of M1 Motorway making sure not to go into the tunnel) and either walk or get the bus along Collins avenue to the Beachcomer pub.
For anyone looking to go into town afterwards there is a dart stop in Killester too very close to the pub.
From our Tyrone Association Dublin Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/)
Saturday night sees the well oiled red hand army come down to the Nell as the Dublin locals call it to try to win the U21 All-Ireland Tim Clarke cup v first time finalists Tipperary. Thanks to the staff of The Beachcomber in Killester (Howth Rd) we intend to paint the town red on Saturday evening. This is a large pub with good food served both in the bar and in the excellent upstairs seafood Dorans restaurant. http://thebeachcomber.ie/food.php. If you intend to come along please let us know by replying below to the event. Lots of free parking in the streets around the area. Throw in for the match is at 6pm so if anyone wants to grab some food before hand we can meet up around 4pm onwards
Final on Saturday after a championship that threw up some great games and big upsets, not many people mentioned Tyrone and Tipp when I started this thread back on Feb 16th, most neutrals will be rooting for Tipp and I really hope they win it, it could only be good for football, lets hope its a good sporting game and may the best team win.
As expected tipp team unchanged
Ahead of their historic EirGrid All-Ireland U21 Football Final against Tyrone on Saturday next, May 2nd, at 6pm in Parnell Park, Dublin, the Tipperary management team led by manager Tommy Toomey have announced their side to contest Tipperary's first ever All-Ireland Final appearance at this grade.
Keeping the tremendous faith he has about his panel all through the campaign, Tommy has announced the same starting XV that defeated Dublin in the semi-final, in what all Tipperary supporters hope will be a winning formula for success on Saturday evening.
TIPPERARY (U21F v Tyrone) – Evan Comerford (Kilsheelan Kilcash), Kevin Fahey (Clonmel Commercials), Jimmy Feehan (Killenaule), Colm O'Shaughnessy (Ardfinnan), Ross Mulcahy (Moyle Rovers), Luke Boland (Moyle Rovers), Bill Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash), Steven O'Brien (Ballina), Colin O'Riordan Capt. (JK Brackens), Jason Lonergan (Clonmel Commercials), Ian Fahey (Clonmel Commercials), Liam Casey (Cahir),Kevin O'Halloran (Portroe), Josh Keane (Golden Kilfeacle), Paul Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash)
All very quiet in here, Tyrone posters very quiet and quiet build up in general. by the sounds of things we will bring a decent support by football standards, still will probably be comfortably outnumber by Tyrone. Our lads owe us nothing, hopefully they can reach the standards we reached against cork and dublin or surpass them.
Quote from: tippabu on May 01, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
All very quiet in here, Tyrone posters very quiet and quiet build up in general. by the sounds of things we will bring a decent support by football standards, still will probably be comfortably outnumber by Tyrone. Our lads owe us nothing, hopefully they can reach the standards we reached against cork and dublin or surpass them.
I genuinely don't know what to make of tomorrow's game, I don't really know enough about Tipp (due to my lack of knowledge and not meant to be disparaging to the Tipp players) so I can't really comment on how the game will pan out. I will say that if Tyrone lose I will be very disappointed but it will be nice to stand and watch a Tipperary captain lift an AI football title. Best of luck to both teams!
Agreed, you have no form to go off, who knows if cork and Dublin were better than roscommon and donegal, hard to know where either team stands. As you say may the best team win. Weather looks terrible for tomorrow hopefully that won't spoil the game
Two teams with little chance of senior success get to contest tomorrow, football is the winner here.
Quote from: tippabu on May 01, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
All very quiet in here, Tyrone posters very quiet and quiet build up in general. by the sounds of things we will bring a decent support by football standards, still will probably be comfortably outnumber by Tyrone. Our lads owe us nothing, hopefully they can reach the standards we reached against cork and dublin or surpass them.
It will be a great occasion and one which I can't wait for. Tyrone back in an all Ireland final against what has been a magnificent tipp team who rightly are favourites for the game. I hope we keep it close as free scoring tipp could run away with this given a decent lead. We will give it our best shot of course but need to perform as do tipp. Best of luck to all travelling from tipp and tyrone may the best team triumph..don't rule out the draw..
Quote from: armaghniac on May 01, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
Two teams with little chance of senior success get to contest tomorrow, football is the winner here.
Cheers Armaghniac, that means a lot coming from a fan of the current Div 3 Champions! Recognition that football is the winner is a refreshing phrase after the puke football nonsense aimed at Tyrone in recent years. I'm glad you've seen the light!
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2015, 10:14:56 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 01, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
All very quiet in here, Tyrone posters very quiet and quiet build up in general. by the sounds of things we will bring a decent support by football standards, still will probably be comfortably outnumber by Tyrone. Our lads owe us nothing, hopefully they can reach the standards we reached against cork and dublin or surpass them.
It will be a great occasion and one which I can't wait for. Tyrone back in an all Ireland final against what has been a magnificent tipp team who rightly are favourites for the game. I hope we keep it close as free scoring tipp could run away with this given a decent lead. We will give it our best shot of course but need to perform as do tipp. Best of luck to all travelling from tipp and tyrone may the best team triumph..don't rule out the draw..
Haha, I'd say your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek writing that post!! No chance you're getting the underdogs tag off us!!
These Tipp boys are winners. They'll fear nothing. Serious pressure on the young Red Hand lads to deliver - to lift the spirits of a county still reeling from 1986.
Tipp 2-16 Tyrone 1-10
ye must have a terrible defence!!
Tyrone would rip the heart out of a ghost. A bad start for Tipp and their goose is cooked, just like our's was.
Quote from: tippabu on May 01, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
Agreed, you have no form to go off, who knows if cork and Dublin were better than roscommon and donegal, hard to know where either team stands. As you say may the best team win. Weather looks terrible for tomorrow hopefully that won't spoil the game
The best formguide was probably Tyrone beating Armagh in Ulster semi.
Armagh looked hungry that night and had serious pretensions on provincial & AI success.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 01, 2015, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 01, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
Agreed, you have no form to go off, who knows if cork and Dublin were better than roscommon and donegal, hard to know where either team stands. As you say may the best team win. Weather looks terrible for tomorrow hopefully that won't spoil the game
The best formguide was probably Tyrone beating Armagh in Ulster semi.
Armagh looked hungry that night and had serious pretensions on provincial & AI success.
Against Armagh, Tyrone got ahead in the first half and couldn't be reeled back. If Tipp let them away a similar outcome might ensue.
Typical it's been lovely weather down here all week but today its lashing with a yellow weather warning
http:/accuweather.com/en/ie/clontarf/207882/weather-forecast/207882 (http://http:/accuweather.com/en/ie/clontarf/207882/weather-forecast/207882)
Our kids u8 training has been called off but I'd say Parnell will take the rain well.
Hopefully it dries up a bit after lunchtime or evening.
I see the Armagh lads are getting worried already that Just when they thought we had finally gone away and they had passed us out, we then get a group of U21s with a bit of hope for the years ahead.
Some of ye are amazed how much it means to us that we need to win this title but psychologically it will have a major impact on the mindset of the Tyrone Gaels. Winning an AI title will be a huge injection of confidence to this panel of players and no doubt comparisons will be made with previous teams.
Of course it doesn't mean anything for definite for the senior team in the years ahead but I think our senior team needs a freshness and some of these lads can provide that.
I've not saw Tipp play but I'd be worried about how they were losing by five to the reigning champs Dubs and showed great mental strength and belief to come from behind to win.
Looking at the teams they have already beaten they certainly won't be scared of Tyrone and will know not to let us get off to a good start. If Tyrone are leading going into the final quarter you would imagine they will go defensive and use whatever it takes to close the game out rather than continue to attack in numbers like other teams.
Of course everyone else will be up for Tipp in their first final so the siege mentality will be in full swing with Logan and Co.
Hopefully it's a good game and the ref doesn't spoil it.
I don't know Tipp well enuf to call it but if it comes to winning ugly and experience then Tyrone should win.
Lucky for us football is totally unpredictable and the weather will probably add another factor there now too.
weather today will be a great leveller...Tyrone by 23 points
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 02, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
weather today will be a great leveller...Tyrone by 23 points
Hope Tipp stuff ye now.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 02, 2015, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 02, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
weather today will be a great leveller...Tyrone by 23 points
Hope Tipp stuff ye now.
didn't take you long to change your mind - good job you've still got your sense of humour though...
Tyrone only beat Armagh with the help of the weather, they are more used to windswept rain in the bogs and rocky outcrops of Tyrone than the fertile plains of Tipp.
guys
is this game on tv
Tipp`s 2 midfielders and No.11 look to be very big, Tipp keeper to rain it into the middle all nite, Tyrone will break and get plenty of possession in an area people expected Tipperary to dominate.
Looked like a stamp there
Not a day for football.
You'd have to fancy Tyrone.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2015, 06:10:10 PM
Looked like a stamp there
Red card all day long there. Deliberate stamp.
Tipp putting it up to them physically.
Tyrone are very defensive
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 02, 2015, 06:14:12 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2015, 06:10:10 PM
Looked like a stamp there
Red card all day long there. Deliberate stamp.
Missed the first few minutes, who stamped who?
Get the sense that Tipp are the better team if they only have enough belief in themselves to kick on.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 02, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 02, 2015, 06:14:12 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2015, 06:10:10 PM
Looked like a stamp there
Red card all day long there. Deliberate stamp.
Missed the first few minutes, who stamped who?
Tip midfielder seemed to stamp on mcshane. Looked like he knew what he was at.
Tyrone kicking some amount of wides
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 02, 2015, 06:27:49 PM
Tyrone kicking some amount of wides
More wasteful today than in other games could say it's the weather but Tipperary aren't as wasteful.
Tipp ticking over nicely. Tyrone not getting the long shots they did the last day is the big thing. They can't play in their comfort zone and expect to win this one now. Makes for an interesting second half.
Shows what happens when you pressurise and mark opponents.
Ros middle 8 please note.
Tyrone look to have the better team but they seriously need to settle down up front otherwise this will get away from them.
McNulty shoulda bagged that goal from that long ball in
That's if they show up for this half....where in the hell are they?
Tyrone would sooner freeze the balls off Tipp than play them. Ridculious stuff by the Tyrone management.
Two spectators have taken unwell and are receiving medical treatment. Both teams back in the changing room.
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
Tyrone would sooner freeze the balls off Tipp than play them. Ridculious stuff by the Tyrone management.
Retract....Retract....Retract
Why? Surely spectators being taken ill couldn't have stopped Tyrone from coming out but not Tipp? Unless they were members of Tyrone's support staff that isn't much of an explanation. Hopefully the spectators are ok but it's not like they're being treated on the pitch.
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
Why? Surely spectators being taken ill couldn't have stopped Tyrone from coming out but not Tipp? Unless they were members of Tyrone's support staff that isn't much of an explanation. Hopefully the spectators are ok but it's not like they're being treated on the pitch.
Surely you should say nothing at this stage. Clown
Well looks like the game is called off
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on May 02, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
Why? Surely spectators being taken ill couldn't have stopped Tyrone from coming out but not Tipp? Unless they were members of Tyrone's support staff that isn't much of an explanation. Hopefully the spectators are ok but it's not like they're being treated on the pitch.
Surely you should say nothing at this stage. Clown
Nice.
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
Why? Surely spectators being taken ill couldn't have stopped Tyrone from coming out but not Tipp? Unless they were members of Tyrone's support staff that isn't much of an explanation. Hopefully the spectators are ok but it's not like they're being treated on the pitch.
Keep digging big lad
Such a delay is unusual.
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on May 02, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
Why? Surely spectators being taken ill couldn't have stopped Tyrone from coming out but not Tipp? Unless they were members of Tyrone's support staff that isn't much of an explanation. Hopefully the spectators are ok but it's not like they're being treated on the pitch.
Surely you should say nothing at this stage. Clown
Nice.
About nice as your comment. You didn't know what was happening so you shouldn't have commented.
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on May 02, 2015, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on May 02, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
Why? Surely spectators being taken ill couldn't have stopped Tyrone from coming out but not Tipp? Unless they were members of Tyrone's support staff that isn't much of an explanation. Hopefully the spectators are ok but it's not like they're being treated on the pitch.
Surely you should say nothing at this stage. Clown
Nice.
About nice as your comment. You didn't know what was happening so you shouldn't have commented.
Yeah, because everyone assumes a delay at HT with one team out and the other in is someone taking ill in the stand and doesn't comment - don't set up a straw man to suit yourself.
Longest half-time I've ever seen. Might have an effect on both teams in the second half.
I don't think Tipp's FB can cope with McNulty. Could still make up for the goal he missed in the first half.
Read on Twitter that the Tyrone Doctor saved a spectators life. If that's correct that's great news
If the team doctor was involved then its only right they refused to come out until he/she was ready
Can't get to watch the game. What is the half time score?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 02, 2015, 07:16:38 PM
If the team doctor was involved then its only right they refused to come out until he/she was ready
Which would be fair enough.
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 02, 2015, 07:16:38 PM
If the team doctor was involved then its only right they refused to come out until he/she was ready
Which would be fair enough.
I'll take that as a retraction ;)
Looks like the decision to move the match away from Navan wasa good one.
Imagine trying to play now in that light with their 40watt bulbs!
That was not a free in for Tyrone. Just because the leg gets in the way of a kick doesn't make it a free
If Tyrone had got a goal as a result of that free it would have been a disgrace.
Do referees not blow for pick ups off the ground?
What's the score?
Terrible decision for that tackle of hampsey as well, referee making some strange calls
TN 0-10 TY 0-08
i take one of the tipp midfielders is on the county seniors
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 02, 2015, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: thebuzz on May 02, 2015, 07:30:39 PM
Thanks. Got the impression from earlier talk that there was more in it.
What's the score?
10-8 to tipp.
Good contest
Burns has lost the run of himself
McShane Goal
GOWAN THRONE!
Now that they've got the goal the crap has started >:(
That knee in the head was a disgrace. What sort of blind bollix is the linesman.
Tyrone starting to play rugby now that they're ahead. Knee in the head is a dangerous act.
Tyrone by 1
But Tyrone bringing dark arts to a new level
Have to say as an Ulster man hope tipp win it
Tyrone too nasty and cynical
McShane needs to be taken off for his own safety.
What I've learned from this game, is that diving works, and pulling down an opponent
Referees haven't a clue how to spot it
Quote from: naka on May 02, 2015, 07:42:16 PM
Tyrone by 1
But Tyrone bringing dark arts to a new level
Have to say as an Ulster man hope tipp win it
Tyrone too nasty and cynical
Careful now some posters on here get very touchy if you suggest Tyrone are guilty of that sort of stuff :P
Number 7 for tyrone getting away with serious amount of fouls!
Tipp have hit some chronic wides in the last 10 minutes.
Tyrone have it in the bag. McShane collapsed with a shoulder there. Ridculious leaving him on. Sadly far from the only case of riding a player until they can't stand up at underage.
When will the GAA appoint a strong ref to stop the Tyrone shitogy.?
C'MON Tipp!!!!!
One more needed
In the net. Disallowed.
Two magnificent scores from riordan
Over a minute wasted here with all this messing about.
If the Tipp lad went for the ball he'd have scored.
2 minutes wasted there
Pushed him over towards the post.
Red card.
Ridiculous refereeing
Head down, 8 steps and he gets a free out, red card no free final whistle.
FFS. >:(
Red didn't help
He lost the run of himself
Goes to show dark arts are successful
A draw probably been a fair result, but tyrone kicked alot of wides in the first half, 2 bad frees by the tipp no.13 cost them bad in the end. The amount of fouling the last 15mins a damn disgrace.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 02, 2015, 07:57:32 PM
Head down, 8 steps and he gets a free out, red card no free final whistle.
FFS. >:(
How do you get a red card and no free in?
That ref was brutal but that's the type of clown the gaa send to ref u21 games. The last 4 minutes were a farce
Tipperary were robbed barefaced. Utterly farcical refereeing at the end. The Tyrone defender wasn't fouled. The Tyrone corner back is sent-off. How is that not at least a free in if not a penalty? The time is not added. Tyrone took nearly two minutes off the clock with time wasting in injury time.
not sure what was going on at the end, man did push him towards the post but the tipp player let go a big swing after it, if he sent him off for a red, should it not been a throw up ball?
Was there ever a more horrible team to win a championship at under 21, I am sure Tyrone people are proud of that horrible cynical play, the sad thing is the refs don't see through them
Gowan Tir Eoghain
Fantastic win great match,
Hard luck Tipperary for putting up such a brave show
Quote from: Itchy on May 02, 2015, 07:59:40 PM
That ref was brutal but that's the type of clown the gaa send to ref u21 games. The last 4 minutes were a farce
Referee was terrible imo. Made it almost impossible to tackle.
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
Better team probably lost but Tipp had great chances for scores in the last 10 minutes and blew them all apart from when O'Riordan took matters into his own hands near the end. Tipp free taker got the yips under pressure.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 02, 2015, 08:01:55 PM
Was there ever a more horrible team to win a championship at under 21, I am sure Tyrone people are proud of that horrible cynical play, the sad thing is the refs don't see through them
That was some second half by Tyrone, played with immense intensity, grit and will to win. And you're right, I'm massively proud of that Tyrone team.
Tyrone goal the turning point scored by a player that was lucky to play in this final and thats the type of luck you need to win All Irelands. Have to feel sorry for Tipperary they gave it their all and just came up short.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
Yep, they have been reduced to winning more All Ireland's for Tyrone!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 02, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 02, 2015, 07:59:40 PM
That ref was brutal but that's the type of clown the gaa send to ref u21 games. The last 4 minutes were a farce
Referee was terrible imo. Made it almost impossible to tackle.
Two years ago we were robbed in u21 semi by a ref. 2 years later same fella has been named in the elite refs for championship despite not knowing what the advantage rule or black card rule is. Is embarrassing and the linesmen are as bad. That knee in the head could kill someone yet linesman 5 yards away looking straight at it does nothing.
McShane was fantastic today, good in the air and always seemed to be on a man's shoulder ready to take the balland great goal
Forwards weren't at their best today so delighted to still get the win
Delighted for the 4 Trillick lads, sound fella's. Tight game and o'roirdan was excellent, he'll make some footballer going forward. Very proud of the lads.
Tyrone stepped it up in the second half, the Tipp defensive spine was suspect and not surprising the goal came from running at it. Impossible to like the sharp edges of the Tyrone mentality but there are some good footballers on that team.
Tyrone win and Indy whinging again. Sure all's well!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 02, 2015, 08:09:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
Yep, they have been reduced to winning more All Ireland's for Tyrone!
welcome to it
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 02, 2015, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 02, 2015, 08:01:55 PM
Was there ever a more horrible team to win a championship at under 21, I am sure Tyrone people are proud of that horrible cynical play, the sad thing is the refs don't see through them
That was some second half by Tyrone, played with immense intensity, grit and will to win. And you're right, I'm massively proud of that Tyrone team.
Why am I not surprised?! Ye love that kind of dark arts, McShane should not even have been playing after nearly taking the head of a lad in the semi final with an elbow, thankfully ye are a spent force at senior and will have a very short summer, not that many people will miss ye
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 02, 2015, 08:09:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
Yep, they have been reduced to winning more All Ireland's for Tyrone!
welcome to it
I just have to say Indy thank so very much.
Your bitterness is making this victory all the more sweeter. ;D ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 02, 2015, 08:09:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
Yep, they have been reduced to winning more All Ireland's for Tyrone!
welcome to it
Some of the posts on here are pathetic.
Well done to Tyrone who just pipped a tight conest between two very evenly matched teams.
The game had a bit of an edge to it from both sides as you would expect in an AI final.
If Tyrone have any honour as men, they should offer a replay.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 02, 2015, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 02, 2015, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 02, 2015, 08:01:55 PM
Was there ever a more horrible team to win a championship at under 21, I am sure Tyrone people are proud of that horrible cynical play, the sad thing is the refs don't see through them
That was some second half by Tyrone, played with immense intensity, grit and will to win. And you're right, I'm massively proud of that Tyrone team.
Why am I not surprised?! Ye love that kind of dark arts, McShane should not even have been playing after nearly taking the head of a lad in the semi final with an elbow, thankfully ye are a spent force at senior and will have a very short summer, not that many people will miss ye
Ha, love it! ;D
Cheating Thramps..
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2015, 08:19:07 PM
If Tyrone have any honour as men, they should offer a replay.
Now we are getting plain silly
As a neutral I thought the better team won. Big 2nd half from the Ulstermen and Tipp filled the togs a bit. Ref was a bit odd right enough but as for the so called dark arts the stamp by the Tipp midfielder in the first half was a disgrace. Dirty animal should have got the line and Tyrone would have won by 6 or 7.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2015, 08:19:07 PM
If Tyrone have any honour as men, they should offer a replay.
:D
Keep them comin
:D
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 02, 2015, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 02, 2015, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 02, 2015, 08:01:55 PM
Was there ever a more horrible team to win a championship at under 21, I am sure Tyrone people are proud of that horrible cynical play, the sad thing is the refs don't see through them
That was some second half by Tyrone, played with immense intensity, grit and will to win. And you're right, I'm massively proud of that Tyrone team.
Why am I not surprised?! Ye love that kind of dark arts, McShane should not even have been playing after nearly taking the head of a lad in the semi final with an elbow, thankfully ye are a spent force at senior and will have a very short summer, not that many people will miss ye
Ach now , don't let your bitterness cloud your judgement. Just enjoy the moment.
Put up that flag ! ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
We beat the team that you couldn't, suck up those bitter lemons! ;D ;D ;D
As for the half-time delay, we had no say in that, and hope the afflicted spectators recover.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 02, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
We beat the team that you couldn't, suck up those bitter lemons! ;D ;D ;D
As for the half-time delay, we had no say in that, and hope the afflicted spectators recover.
Welcome to it when you have to win like that work away kid.
Roscommon and Dublin should play the alternative AI final next weekend Indy.
Well done Tyrone. Dirty oul day and they ground out a win. Two easy frees missed were the difference in the end. Tipp midfielder is some player as is Tyrone 11, Kavanagh-reminded me of Brian McGuigan, very smart on the ball.
As for cynical play-Tipp were pulling men down in the first half when they were ahead, stamp in the first half etc. When Tyrone do it its dark arts and a disgrace? Ref lost the plot but both sides were as bad as each other.
Would like to see a good number of that team make the step up to senior.
Quote from: Syferus on May 02, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Roscommon and Dublin should play the alternative AI final next weekend Indy.
Like a sort of losers cup - very fitting!
Laughable and sad at the same time that ye are proud of your players who put their knees and elbows into opponent players heads, I am not from near Tipp but you would feel sorry for them, they were by far the better team and the only team that tried to play ball but ultimately kicked it away.
Hard luck tipp
The 'stamp' in the 1st half was clearly an accident though, and all you Tyronies know it.
The Tipp lads haven't been trained how to do this stuff like you have.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 02, 2015, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on May 02, 2015, 08:23:55 PM
Cheating Thramps..
:D
Its all Philly Jordan's fault
Now no need for that
Philly himself isn't proud to be reminded of that to be far
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2015, 08:42:43 PM
The 'stamp' in the 1st half was clearly an accident though, and all you Tyronies know it.
The Tipp lads haven't been trained how to do this stuff like you have.
Learnt from the best in 96 jinxy!
Quotehttp://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/how-meath-taught-tyrone-the-hard-way-to-win-sam-26308686.html
Quote from: Bensars on May 02, 2015, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2015, 08:42:43 PM
The 'stamp' in the 1st half was clearly an accident though, and all you Tyronies know it.
The Tipp lads haven't been trained how to do this stuff like you have.
Learnt from the best in 96 jinxy!
:D :D ;D
Quote from: Bensars on May 02, 2015, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2015, 08:42:43 PM
The 'stamp' in the 1st half was clearly an accident though, and all you Tyronies know it.
The Tipp lads haven't been trained how to do this stuff like you have.
Learnt from the best in 96 jinxy!
Fair point.
It's a wonder Mayo haven't won a few All-Irelands since then.
They didn't pay attention as much as you lads, I suppose.
That football from Tyrone today was truly horrible stuff to watch, if that's a sign of the style of play this management team favour then their senior team would do well to steer clear cos it makes Mickey Hartes tactics appear almost cavalier. Shocking performance by the ref also who raped Tipp with some decisions that were crucial in such a tight game. The team with the better players lost.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 02, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
We beat the team that you couldn't, suck up those bitter lemons! ;D ;D ;D
As for the half-time delay, we had no say in that, and hope the afflicted spectators recover.
Welcome to it when you have to win like that work away kid.
Dry your scone. Can you enlighten me as to how exactly that was cynical? Ugly yes. But what was demanded in those conditions.
Tyrone won't/Don't care about how they won this AI. They now have a group of lads who are winners and from this comes a swagger. The GAA is not up to scratch to deal with the way Tyrone win matches. To get up to speed would take a lot of time and resources on Refereeing and looking at how to control the games properly. The Hierarchy don't have the will to take this on and until crowds begin to dwindle or players drift to different sports they won't bother their arse. The sad thing is that today we have under 21 year olds who are smarter and more in tune on how to control a game than a Referee almost (if not) twice their age! There has to be something wrong there. Is it the Rules? Is it the profile of people becoming referees? Anyway well done to Tyrone, a badly needed AI. To Tipp this is not the end. But a huge effort is needed to bring some of this to Senior.
Quote from: Max Payne on May 02, 2015, 08:51:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 02, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
We beat the team that you couldn't, suck up those bitter lemons! ;D ;D ;D
As for the half-time delay, we had no say in that, and hope the afflicted spectators recover.
Welcome to it when you have to win like that work away kid.
Dry your scone. Can you enlighten me as to how exactly that was cynical? Ugly yes. But what was demanded in those conditions.
;D
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 02, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
We beat the team that you couldn't, suck up those bitter lemons! ;D ;D ;D
As for the half-time delay, we had no say in that, and hope the afflicted spectators recover.
Welcome to it when you have to win like that work away kid.
Lethal!!
Saying that
No 11 for Tyrone and riordan are fair players
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 02, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 02, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
what a dreadful advertisement for Gaelic Football. Gas to see what Dooher and Canavan have been reduced to.
Tyrone will be happy they won. But it was a day when cynical ugly football won the day.
That Gentlemen is Gaelic Football 2015.
God knows what it will look like in 2025
We beat the team that you couldn't, suck up those bitter lemons! ;D ;D ;D
As for the half-time delay, we had no say in that, and hope the afflicted spectators recover.
Welcome to it when you have to win like that work away kid.
Lethal!!
Yep, losers! ;D ;D ;D
Great result for the lads today, two evenly matched teams. Some interested ting comments and just some spiteful ones too.
In the style of play of Tyrone, it has Canavans hands all over it. Fermanagh, Cavan Gaels and now the u21s essentially all tried to play a similar style that he coaches. His teams always play defensively first. Hard to believe from one of the best forwards to grace a pitch, but the end justifies the means.
By the way lads, it would seem that the gentleman who took ill at half-time has sadly passed away.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2015, 09:23:28 PM
By the way lads, it would seem that the gentleman who took ill at half-time has sadly passed away.
RIP.
May he rest in peace. What happened? Congrats Tyrone. It's far from pretty to watch but they played within the rules or as close to the referees interpretation of the game. Yes they fouled in the right places and knew they had a soft ref. But it's an all Ireland. Hope those tipp footballers stick with it who knows what their senior team will be like in a few years.
Well done Tyrone-monumental effort in conditions that did not favour the skillful running game that these lads have branded throughout the campaign. By far, not Tyrone's best performance (testament to Tipp's intensity)-McNulty had quiet game but they stuck at it with McShane monumental.
Would agree that refereeing was poor with several strange decisions/non-decisions against both teams with Tipp benefitting in the first half and Tyrone the second. I really detest the 'hit' shoulder tackle of a man running with the ball-it was executed a couple of times today for both sides and also avoided by some clever sidesteps! Should be banned.
Otherwise a cracking game start to finish, considering conditions and the half time delay. Looking at some of the posts here, we really should be ashamed of how we undermine some of the best young amateur athletes in the country. Hope to see this Tipp team succeed at senior level and shake up Munster.
Sad to hear news of spectator. RIP
we are not undermining some of the best amateur talents
I have watched football all my life and am near 50
Tyrone utilised the dark arts and won
It's the truth
Fair play to them
Quote from: naka on May 02, 2015, 10:08:15 PM
we are not undermining some of the best amateur talents
I have watched football all my life and am near 50
Tyrone utilised the dark arts and won
It's the truth
Fair play to them
Ffs, Dark arts? ::) Who did you rent that cliché from? A little bit of hyperbole going on with that comment, Naka. It's the truth, but fair play to you!
Quote from: naka on May 02, 2015, 10:08:15 PM
we are not undermining some of the best amateur talents
I have watched football all my life and am near 50
Tyrone utilised the dark arts and won
It's the truth
Fair play to them
Is this a quote from the new star wars film?
Dark arts was polite for fouling , pulling down
Fair play to Tyrone but hex guys acknowledge this
Was the match delayed ?
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 02, 2015, 11:11:26 PM
Was the match delayed ?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/under21-allireland-delayed-after-two-separate-medical-emergencies-at-parnell-park-31190799.html
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
Boo feckin hoo!
Some Roscommon fans still taking the semi very bad.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
I'm massively proud of them and I've no doubt your family are proud of you too. Every mother wants their child to turn into a keyboard hero, so angry at a bunch of u21 amateur sportsmen that he even resorts to using capitals to express himself. Will you email her your post? Maybe frame it for her for Christmas? Get a copy for your club to hang in the clubhouse, I'm sure they are proud of you too! Just out of interest, were you actually shouting when you typed that bit in capitals?
Hope the reports on the poor spectator are off the mark. Puts everything into perspective.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2015, 09:23:28 PM
By the way lads, it would seem that the gentleman who took ill at half-time has sadly passed away.
Sorry to hear that. RIP.
Meanwhile it seems because the cynical Tyrones are amateurs we're not supposed to criticise them, especially if we're from Roscommon.
Pity to see it at U21 level but there you go .......
So proud of those Tyrone lads. Commiserations to tipp who played their part in a truly absorbing contest. Been at a lot if under 21 finals and enjoyed that more than any.
Some of the stuff that is being said about the Tyrone team and tactics are incredible.
Well done Tyrone.
Conditions were brutal bad.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
Don't have a hissy fit! No cheating done. Yes they are a credit to the County and Club's. Tipperary were fouling across the field because they couldn't match Tyrone's pace. And after 65 minutes of football, Tipp still hadn't responded to the short kick out.
That Irish times report lol:
"Roscommon v Tyrone Tyrone's Ulster title was long overdue, their first in eight seasons after a run of five titles in seven years. Their star names are on the sideline, with Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher backing up Fergal Logan, as well as S&C coach Peter Donnelly who has now won five Ulster titles in a row with Cavan and Tyrone. They look to have their work cut out here against a Rossies side dripping with talent, however. Enda Smith and Diarmuid Murtagh are the obvious stand-outs with Cathal Daly and Ultan Harney throwing into the pot as well. Should be theirs to lose. Verdict: Roscommon"
Well done Tyrone! When some begrudgers and some sour grapes appear you know you are doing well. Well done Feargal. Also big shout for Tipperary who deserve credit too
I hope the reports on the spectator are wrong. Really puts football into perspective.
As for the match it is a pity the weather robbed us of any chance of a proper game of football. On saying that Tyrone's training facilities at Garvaghy - up in the hills- obviously gave them an advantage dealing with tough windy conditions. Added to this the streams of water would obviously be more suited to a team used to diving. ;D
On the game itself I did not think there was much between the teams with Tyrone coming through because they were a bit cuter. I pointed out before how many black and red cards they had got in the Ulster championship and their ruthlessness was needed to get them over the line today. On saying that their corner back who was sent off today appears to be one of their more level headed players. McShane is obviously a very good player and seems to be in a mould suited to their senior team. O'Riordan from Tipp though is a player I wish was from Armagh.
As for the stamp. I saw it a few times and could not decide if it was deliberate or not. The player gets the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: redcard on May 03, 2015, 12:45:43 AM
That Irish times report lol:
" Rossies side dripping with talent, however. Enda Smith and Diarmuid Murtagh are the obvious stand-outs with Cathal Daly and Ultan Harney
Cathal Daly was Archbishop of Armagh 20 odd years ago. I wonder was he related to Conor Daly? :D
Roscommon lad (no 6?) in semi firing elbows and Tipp man tonight doing McShane. Tipp foul count 50 mins in was 16 and Tyrone 11. Imagine a team upping the cynical stakes in last ten mins of the biggest game of their career, you'd never see that in other sports would you? Thon poor gassuns down the country are shocking unlucky, ah shure there's always next year.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
You should be ashamed of that post.
These young men are proud to represent their county as are the other players from their respective counties. Thankfully most other posters on this Board can voice their opinions without insulting the players or their families. Maybe you should back away from the keyboard for a while and sober up.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 02, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
That football from Tyrone today was truly horrible stuff to watch, if that's a sign of the style of play this management team favour then their senior team would do well to steer clear cos it makes Mickey Hartes tactics appear almost cavalier. Shocking performance by the ref also who raped Tipp with some decisions that were crucial in such a tight game. The team with the better players lost.
Some people don't know what to be at ...
You criticise the management and then go on to say that the team with the better players lost. If the team with the worst players win then the management must be excellent. Fool.
Also the under 21s play a much better tactical game than the seniors do in my opinion, they actually play forwards at no.10 and no.12 and when they turn the ball over in their defence they then break at pace. Mickey could learn a lot fron the under 21 management
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
Raméis. They were the better team today just like they were the better team against us. They were able to break at pace and also were able to create goal chances and scored a bloody good one to turn the game in their favour. Those lads dug deep to get that victory today and should be congratulated and not the verbal equivalent of being spat at. Let's not turn into a county of Pat Spillanes.
A county of Pat Spillanes.... Scary.
Congrats to Tyrone. It was tight and could have gone either way, but the goal was obviously the crucial score. This Tipp team have great heart though and I wasn't surprised they were right in it at the death, and had the opportunities for a draw or even to win. A replay would probably have been the fairest result as you could see both teams were struggling with the conditions, and Tipp carrying the ball was a bit ropey when It was as slick as it seemed last night.
Tipp will rue a couple of bad decisions and poor mistakes, including missed frees, but that's life and that's football. Important to learn from it, and I'm 100% sure they will. Tipp are going to be around for the long haul, trying to break into that top echelons and this is only a step on the way.
Well done again Tyrone, some fine players on that team.
GiveBallaghBack undoubtedly has never kicked a competitive ball in his life. It takes a certain level of spinelessness to make a post like his most recent contribution. His family and parish are undoubtedly proud of his anonymous cowardice.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
Whatever about Tyrone & their tactics, at least they put serious work in, gave everything for the cause & were out there for all to see.
You on the other hand are a disgrace to your county, club, family & most of all to yourself for a post like that.
The very definition of a troll.
Great to be all Ireland champions again, especially at u-21 level. Our performances over the last five years have been extremely disappointing considering the talent we had coming through which makes last night even sweeter.
As a county we needed this as things have become stale over the past few years. Would be great to see some of these lads thrown in to the senior team over the summer to see what they can do.
Heard to stomach the myopic prejudiced perspective being spouted by the likes of gbb. As an Antrim man all I seen was an ultra competitive match where both teams played with drive and ambition throughout.
Well done Tyrone. Hard luck Tipp. They'll be ruing missed chances today
Quote from: Bensars on May 02, 2015, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 02, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Well done Tyrone, they won doing what Tyrone teams have been doing for the past dozen years so the rest of the country cant say we did not know what was coming, Tipp were no angels either but they have a lot to learn if they are going to take Tyrone on at that game, so to give Tyrone their full dues WHAT A GREAT CYNICAL CHEATING DIRTY FOOTBALLING TEAM THEY ARE. These young men are a credit to their families community parish club and county, ye should all be proud of the way ye prepared these young men to represent ye, CONGRATS.
Boo feckin hoo!
Some Roscommon fans still taking the semi very bad.
yes sure they still haven't got over Kerry beating them in the 1980 football final..lol..
Delighted to see the lads win yesterday.Both sides played their hearts out in terrible conditions and a draw would probably have been a fair enough result but thankfully we came out on the right side of it.
Ill probably get slated for this but here goes....Still massively bitter towards Tyrone after that The cynicism, sledging and off the ball stuff was terrible to see. Respect isnt the word id use, think its more acknowledgment though that in a couple of months all will be forgotten, noone will recall some of the stuff it will just read Tyrone 2015 champions on the roll of honour and thats all that counts at the end of the day, Im sure if we won yesterday the same way Id be over the moon and wouldnt care but its just hard to take a defeat like that.
I didnt watch the game back on telly yet so cant really comment on the major incidents, Stephen O'Briens "stamp" id be very surprised if if was on purpose, really isnt the sort of player he is, The disallowed Tipp goal, from the stand i thought it was a free out all day long just because it was on the keeper but i see quiet a few people saying there was very little wrong with it and in the finally play when tyrone had the free out again i didnt see what happened, what was the tyrone player sent off for and should the free have been taken away from tyrone and the ball thrown up?
We are gone beyond the moral victory in football in Tipp now, especially at underage but immensely proud of that team and what theyve achieved in this years championship. Ultimately we were missing 4 forwards all year who would have been starters, Philip Quirke and Coleman Kennedy would i think alot will be heard of at senior when they eventually come in following injury and studies. A telling stat is and it was very evident yesterday that we had no real inside forward line to speak of and this is where the missing players would have had a massive impact. O'Halloran missed a few frees yesterday that were crucial but for me we wouldnt have beaten Cork without him so I am not going to be slate him over anything.
Finally the two supporters who were taken ill, its good to see the tyrone man was revived but terrible to see the Tipperary supporter has passed away, it really does put everything into perspective, thoughts and prayers with his family. RIP
edit: forgot to mention, Tyrone really did step up the intensity the first 15 mins of the second half and moved the ball really well and got well on top for that period, conditions were terrible so credit both teams for that
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
Ill probably get slated for this but here goes....Still massively bitter towards Tyrone after that The cynicism, sledging and off the ball stuff was terrible to see. Respect isnt the word id use, think its more acknowledgment though that in a couple of months all will be forgotten, noone will recall some of the stuff it will just read Tyrone 2015 champions on the roll of honour and thats all that counts at the end of the day, Im sure if we won yesterday the same way Id be over the moon and wouldnt care but its just hard to take a defeat like that.
I didnt watch the game back on telly yet so cant really comment on the major incidents, Stephen O'Briens "stamp" id be very surprised if if was on purpose, really isnt the sort of player he is, The disallowed Tipp goal, from the stand i thought it was a free out all day long just because it was on the keeper but i see quiet a few people saying there was very little wrong with it and in the finally play when tyrone had the free out again i didnt see what happened, what was the tyrone player sent off for and should the free have been taken away from tyrone and the ball thrown up?
We are gone beyond the moral victory in football in Tipp now, especially at underage but immensely proud of that team and what theyve achieved in this years championship. Ultimately we were missing 4 forwards all year who would have been starters, Philip Quirke and Coleman Kennedy would i think alot will be heard of at senior when they eventually come in following injury and studies. A telling stat is and it was very evident yesterday that we had no real inside forward line to speak of and this is where the missing players would have had a massive impact. O'Halloran missed a few frees yesterday that were crucial but for me we wouldnt have beaten Cork without him so I am not going to be slate him over anything.
Finally the two supporters who were taken ill, its good to see the tyrone man was revived but terrible to see the Tipperary supporter has passed away, it really does put everything into perspective, thoughts and prayers with his family. RIP
edit: forgot to mention, Tyrone really did step up the intensity the first 15 mins of the second half and moved the ball really well and got well on top for that period, conditions were terrible so credit both teams for that
I thought tipp were very physical also off the ball and played over the red line manytimes. The only dive in the game was a tipp lad.But I can tell you now if tyrone had lost we would move on quickly and wouldn't be bitching. It was a great game between 2 evenly matched teams. Tipp will be sore but they are now at the top table in underage football.. They wouldn't live with kerry cynicism if they struggle with that today.
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
Ill probably get slated for this but here goes....Still massively bitter towards Tyrone after that The cynicism, sledging and off the ball stuff was terrible to see. Respect isnt the word id use, think its more acknowledgment though that in a couple of months all will be forgotten, noone will recall some of the stuff it will just read Tyrone 2015 champions on the roll of honour and thats all that counts at the end of the day, Im sure if we won yesterday the same way Id be over the moon and wouldnt care but its just hard to take a defeat like that.
I didnt watch the game back on telly yet so cant really comment on the major incidents, Stephen O'Briens "stamp" id be very surprised if if was on purpose, really isnt the sort of player he is, The disallowed Tipp goal, from the stand i thought it was a free out all day long just because it was on the keeper but i see quiet a few people saying there was very little wrong with it and in the finally play when tyrone had the free out again i didnt see what happened, what was the tyrone player sent off for and should the free have been taken away from tyrone and the ball thrown up?
We are gone beyond the moral victory in football in Tipp now, especially at underage but immensely proud of that team and what theyve achieved in this years championship. Ultimately we were missing 4 forwards all year who would have been starters, Philip Quirke and Coleman Kennedy would i think alot will be heard of at senior when they eventually come in following injury and studies. A telling stat is and it was very evident yesterday that we had no real inside forward line to speak of and this is where the missing players would have had a massive impact. O'Halloran missed a few frees yesterday that were crucial but for me we wouldnt have beaten Cork without him so I am not going to be slate him over anything.
Finally the two supporters who were taken ill, its good to see the tyrone man was revived but terrible to see the Tipperary supporter has passed away, it really does put everything into perspective, thoughts and prayers with his family. RIP
edit: forgot to mention, Tyrone really did step up the intensity the first 15 mins of the second half and moved the ball really well and got well on top for that period, conditions were terrible so credit both teams for that
They never are that sort of player when they are from your own county. But as soon as a player from another county does it, they are cynical cheaters etc. You should get used to defending your players actions, every move gets scrutinised as the profile of your county rises. Especially when they progress in the senior ranks like everyone hopes they do. No team is full of lads "who don't do that sort of thing" and Tipp are no different.
It's always interesting how you clearly see the cynical stuff from Tyrone but missed the incident by your own player, I do the same, it's part of the partisan nature of football.
Best of luck for the future, I really hope you progress to shake up the Munster championship. Imagine the shock to the system in Kerry if they had to play two competitive games to get into an AI quarter final. :D
Some absolute and total anti tyrone bullsh*t written on here by a few posters. If anyone missed it, it rained all day in Dublin yesterday and the game was played on a very soggy pitch. To me it was a very good and entertaining final. Scrappy at times but given it was a final and the conditions anyone who expected anything less is living in dream land.
Were Tyrone a bit cynical in the last few minutes? Yes is probably the answer. The exact same way that any team that are on the verge of winning an All Ireland are. Teams will do anything to get them over the line and that is to be expected. Indiana has a very short memory - he has obviously blocked out the Dublin Mayo All Ireland senior final 2 years ago in which Dublin pulled and dragged their way to the title in the last 25 minutes. But his comments are typical of the average Dublin supporter and media. They came up to Omagh last year and fouled all day long - I remember Heaney drawing attention to the free count (3 or 4 to 1 against Dublin) against them that day and how they were as cyncial a team as there was around.
And for all this talk of negative football Tyrone managed to score more against Tipperary in awful conditions whilst defending hard than the free flowing wonderfully attacking Dublin u21 team did in the semi final in perfect conditions. And they did that cause they have good footballers all over the pitch who can defend and attack. Look at our corner back Cassidys point as an example or the constant forward bursts from McGeary who is a forward in club football. If you look through this years u21 championship Tyrone have average 17 points - not bad over 60 minutes for a defensive team.
This was a really hard though absorbing battle between 2 evenly matched teams who gave everything they had. It was a much better final played in a good atmosphere compared to many others in recent years. For example the Dublin Donegal final was a proper bad final. Or the hammering Galway handed out. Both teams scored some great points. Both were guilty of fouling, a bit of the ball stuff although I thought that was limited enough and a few bad tackles. You have to laugh when a Tyrone player makes a bad challenge on here its labelled as cynical and disgraceful etc. When a Tipperary player deliberately falls and stamps on our star player early on its described as accidental and out of character.
Congratulations to our lads who have had a terrific season and really came from no where at u21 level to land another All Ireland. Its hard not to be proud of their achievments and lets hope their is a bright future ahead. There's 9 or 10 of the team who have potential to go on and play senior football. I hope a few more of them join the seniors now and help give it a lift to. On top of the boys already there McGeary, Meyler and Hampsey in particular could add something straight away. McShane apart from some poor shooting was magnificent last night. He put in some effort and competed really well against a very strong Tipp midfield.
The game could have gone either way and I wish Tipp all the best going forward, some really good players and they're a big strong team. Great to see them competing at the top level underage, hopefully a sign of things to come at senior level.
I'd also like to pass on my condolences to the man who very sadly lost his life last night. Was a shocking sight at the game and puts things into perspective. Thoughts are with the family who are going through an awful time, rip.
Did they ever announce an attendance yesterday? or anyone know what it was, by tipp footballing standards that was a very big tipp support and hopefully the public will get more and more behind the footballers
tippabu, you would probably be best to park that bitterness at the gate; whilst understandable in the circumstances, it's uncalled for.
Those Tipp footballers will shake things up at Senior level, not just in Munster, but in the All-Ireland itself, make no mistake.
Sad news about the supporter who passed away, RIP.
Was reading some of the unbelievable posts last night and I actually stopped after the third page of vitriol and sour grapes from so called neutral counties. Very disappointed with a lot of lads who I understandably would be up for Tipp as everyone loves to see a new team come along and do well but the biased analysis by some posters is a real eye opener to me. We have become used to being dragged through the media mire and no doubt loads of you will say well you bring it on yourselves.
Some decent posts on this page so far and a few more balanced views on the amount of effort, belief, hard work and knowing how to hang in there and win a match that for large portions of the game we looked like we were always chasing Tipp as they would often go 2 points ahead each time we caught up with them.
It was exactly the type of game I expected with a lot at stake and so it was always gonna become a war of attrition. As a few have said when you get to a certain level of football its then about that extra bit which takes you over the line. Years ago we were always the bridesmaids and played great attacking but naive football and never won anything. Meath and a few other teams taught us a few hard lessons and Mickey Harte brought us the belief that we are good enough and showed us how to get over the line. 2008 AI win is a prime example where Kerry probably had a better team than us imho and I really thought we would lose that final but the belief we had built up took us over the line. I don't want to have a go at Mayo but being honest yes you are consistently in the top 3 teams in the country but to me you just never learnt how to get that wee bit extra to take you over the line.
I was behind the goals yesterday and so a lot of the play was down the far end so I didn't get a great view of the game to be honest.
Both teams were taking their turns at being cynical with Tipp understandably targeting McShane for some special attention. I hope to watch it again today and as usual I expect to see a very different game to the one I was at.
My feelings during the match was that we were marginally the better team in the first half but our balls into the forward line and our shooting was terrible.
I think the huge half time delay actually helped us to refocus and almost start a new match. That 3rd quarter we really upped the intensity and should have probably got another goal.
I think young Fox kicked a few bad kickouts and was very lucky not to see red for what he did before the corner back got sent off.
The ref really was a disgrace for both teams and how he got the job for the final is beyond me.
I think Tipp will be a real force at senior now in Munster and hopefully they can make that championship a bit more competitive and not just a free stepping stone to an AI quarterfinal.
Shocked to hear there were two heartaches at the match around half time. Deepest sympathies with the family as I'm sure it was a horrible end to a miserable day all round.
Was very impressed with the Tipp support and was disappointed with the poor Tyrone support. I know I'm more of a county supporter living in Dublin than a club man any more but are we getting complacent now about getting to All Ireland finals and happy to watch them on TV. I felt Tipp fans were much more vocal and lifted their team more although in that crucial 3rd quarter the atmosphere was very lively and the goal really hammered that home.
What did you balanced neutrals think of the ref?
I've got the boxing, Tyrone game, MotD all recorded to watch but can't see me getting time today to watch it.
Go easy on TippAbu lads. In fairness they did put huge effort into yesterday and I can understand when you a trying to win your first AI then you tend to wear the tinted glasses with passions high after the game. We've all been there and personally its not tell afterwards when you calm down and watch the game again than you see things a little differently. Ye will need to get used to more of the "dark arts" if you want to come out of Munster. ;D
It's hard to be objective when you are disappointed, that's why I didn't post last night. And I'm only a blow in! I think Tippabu's post should be viewed in that context. There were a few incidents that were a bit dodgy alright, but when you are playing a tight game between two we'll matched teams in bad conditions, that will always happen. Tyrone dived, for frees, had a few unsavoury incidents and wasted time near the end. How does a goalie get cramp? 😀 Tipperary did exactly the same, apart from the time wasting. In many ways I think that's a mark of the maturity of Tipp football now.
The ref was poor, and I think that certainly added to the diving. He quite clearly decided early on that he wasn't going to ref the conditions. He made up his mind that if you won the ball, or got there first, and then hit the ground it was going to be your free. Both sets of players cottoned on to this quite quickly.
As regards the rest of the game, he was just poor. For both sides. He certainly didn't ride Tipp. The one and only area where I still feel a bit aggrieved about was the advantage. In the second half, Tipp won another ball in midfield and were driving on. I think it was Colin O'Riordan. He was dragged back around the shoulder, and laid it off to Ian Fahey. He was driving straight at the Tyrone goals, 40 metres out, and the red blew immediately for the free in back where O'Riordan was fouled.
Then about 5 or 10 minutes later, a Tyrone man was fouled in the build up to a shot that went wide. He let the play develop and then after the wide gave the easy free in.
Other than that, I think it's as simple as two evenly matched teams going at it hammer and tongs, and Tyrone coming out on top as a result of a very well worked goal. Fair play to them, they have excellent players. That's the way it goes. Pick yourself up, learn what you can from it, and Tipp will do that, and continue the work on football in the county. Maintaining competitiveness at underage, and bringing it up another level or two in senior is the name of the game. Days like yesterday will help in that mission.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 01:18:43 PM
It's hard to be objective when you are disappointed, that's why I didn't post last night. And I'm only a blow in! I think Tippabu's post should be viewed in that context. There were a few incidents that were a bit dodgy alright, but when you are playing a tight game between two we'll matched teams in bad conditions, that will always happen. Tyrone dived, for frees, had a few unsavoury incidents and wasted time near the end. How does a goalie get cramp? 😀 Tipperary did exactly the same, apart from the time wasting. In many ways I think that's a mark of the maturity of Tipp football now.
The ref was poor, and I think that certainly added to the diving. He quite clearly decided early on that he wasn't going to ref the conditions. He made up his mind that if you won the ball, or got there first, and then hit the ground it was going to be your free. Both sets of players cottoned on to this quite quickly.
As regards the rest of the game, he was just poor. For both sides. He certainly didn't ride Tipp. The one and only area where I still feel a bit aggrieved about was the advantage. In the second half, Tipp won another ball in midfield and were driving on. I think it was Colin O'Riordan. He was dragged back around the shoulder, and laid it off to Ian Fahey. He was driving straight at the Tyrone goals, 40 metres out, and the red blew immediately for the free in back where O'Riordan was fouled.
Then about 5 or 10 minutes later, a Tyrone man was fouled in the build up to a shot that went wide. He let the play develop and then after the wide gave the easy free in.
Other than that, I think it's as simple as two evenly matched teams going at it hammer and tongs, and Tyrone coming out on top as a result of a very well worked goal. Fair play to them, they have excellent players. That's the way it goes. Pick yourself up, learn what you can from it, and Tipp will do that, and continue the work on football in the county. Maintaining competitiveness at underage, and bringing it up another level or two in senior is the name of the game. Days like yesterday will help in that mission.
A good balanced post.
Regarding the diving, I think alot of boys went to ground due to the realy poor conditions and the referee interpreted these as fouls.alot of them weren't frees but I don't think they were all 'dives' either.
Saying that,as in any game there were a few from both sides.
Tipp county board man going mad at Kevin McStay on radio 1. ;D
What's that about Jinxy?
He's mad as hell.
I watched it again there and couldn't see any supposed cheating or diving. I think people have made up their minds before a game starts, or have their minds made up for them.
A brilliant game in those conditions I thought.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 03, 2015, 02:21:29 PM
Tipp county board man going mad at Kevin McStay on radio 1. ;D
He was off his head. He was talking about how badly Tyrone behaved yesterday and that they would never stoop to such lows then admitted to one of the Tipp lads stamping on a Tyrone player during the match. The Tipp spokesperson should have a look at the actions of the Tipp defenders after Tyrone hit their 10 wides. But then Tipp wouldn't do that sort of thing so.
It emerged during the interview that the Tyrone manager tried on several occasions to gain access to the Tipp changing room after the match to says a few words of consolation etc but was refused entry.
The Tipp spokesman then referred to Michael Hogan getting shot in Croke Park in 1920.
Tipp are very sore and raw and that's what can happen when you lose games by narrow margins.
Embarassing stuff.
It's all Kevin McStay's fault anyway.
Quote from: ONeill on May 03, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
I watched it again there and couldn't see any supposed cheating or diving. I think people have made up their minds before a game starts, or have their minds made up for them.
A brilliant game in those conditions I thought.
Agree here. Because Tyrone won a high-profile tight game, it's all about the cynical nature of it. People need to cop on.
So a 30 minute debate on national radio about a championship that has hardly been mentioned up to this point has just taken place on rte sport, what are they talking about? the great game of football, sadly no, a debate on the sad state our great game is in thanks to the training and condoning of cynical tactics, now every contact sport will have so called hard and dirty players but the laws of the game are there to punish them but when it is coached and becomes a part of any teams systems then it is impossible for any official to control hence the current mayhem about the state and standard of our games, so I stand by my post last evening, cheating or coached cheating is now part and parcel of our games, take a bow all involved and shame on counties like Kerry who have copied these tactics, the Kerrys etc should know better, who are etc. well ye know who ye are and I am glad to say no Connacht county is in that category.
Quote from: orangeman on May 03, 2015, 02:39:46 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 03, 2015, 02:21:29 PM
Tipp county board man going mad at Kevin McStay on radio 1. ;D
He was off his head. He was talking about how badly Tyrone behaved yesterday and that they would never stoop to such lows then admitted to one of the Tipp lads stamping on a Tyrone player during the match. The Tipp spokesperson should have a look at the actions of the Tipp defenders after Tyrone hit their 10 wides. But then Tipp wouldn't do that sort of thing so.
It emerged during the interview that the Tyrone manager tried on several occasions to gain access to the Tipp changing room after the match to says a few words of consolation etc but was refused entry.
The Tipp spokesman then referred to Michael Hogan getting shot in Croke Park in 1920.
Tipp are very sore and raw and that's what can happen when you lose games by narrow margins.
Embarassing stuff.
In fairness I'd be the same if we lost a game of hurling against them.. off the field we are heading into fish outta water territory.
I always suspected it was a Tyrone man that shot Michael Hogan.
I just watched back the game there, with the big delay didn't record all of it, stopped at the goal. The stamp after watching it, I don't think I'm being biased but I honestly haven't a clue whether it was ment or not, I think the only person who knows is Stephen himself.
I haven't heard radio 1 but I heard mcstay was saying tipp got exactly what they deserved and that was nothing, I think that is being very harsh, most people would agree that there was absolutely nothing in it and if tipp were to have gotten a draw there wouldn't have been many complaints. I think that might have gotten the blood boiling for Joe hannigan who everyone on the tipp forum is agreeing that he is a bit out of order with his comments. Also on Tyrone manager not been allowed into the tipp dressing room again everyone on the tipp forum agrees that that is really bad form and shouldn't have happened
So Tipp off the field are not ready for success or failure in football. Ill make a prediction now that if these talking eejits are anywhere near that great group of lads that they will destroy their chances in the future..If there's no honesty about why they lost this game, they are in trouble and won't address the real reasons.. Don't cover the diamonds in shite lads.
some good posts there compared to the rubbish last nite on here. was at the game and watched the first half again there earlier. there wasn't a dirty stroke pulled in that first half including the stamp. it was nothing more than a reminder that ure not gona bully me type thing. anybody who played the game will know what im on about. yellow card the right call. somebody was on about mcshanes shoulder check as well, again nothing more than a yellow. mick lyons and paudie oshea were made legends for big hits like that. on mcshane himself he had a grt game but there was def one occasion in the first half that he lay down after being told to by another player to get the game stopped,cant remember whether it worked or not but I def mind shouting at him to get upto f**k. you don't want to see that from anyone,other than that he was outstanding. funny enough before I shouted it the man beside me says look they have hit cathal again.
Well done lads and to anyone who made the trip down as well. It was a special moment on the field afterwards getting to congratulate the players.
Also something mcgeary said during his speech was so true. He said thanks for sticking with us after last years first round defeat when it would have been easier to walk away. Never was there a truer word spoke about tyrone football thas last few years.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 03, 2015, 02:50:21 PM
So a 30 minute debate on national radio about a championship that has hardly been mentioned up to this point has just taken place on rte sport, what are they talking about? the great game of football, sadly no, a debate on the sad state our great game is in thanks to the training and condoning of cynical tactics, now every contact sport will have so called hard and dirty players but the laws of the game are there to punish them but when it is coached and becomes a part of any teams systems then it is impossible for any official to control hence the current mayhem about the state and standard of our games, so I stand by my post last evening, cheating or coached cheating is now part and parcel of our games, take a bow all involved and shame on counties like Kerry who have copied these tactics, the Kerrys etc should know better, who are etc. well ye know who ye are and I am glad to say no Connacht county is in that category.
You must be on the wind up with that last comment? ;D There was plenty of good in that game yesterday to focus on but the national broadcaster once again chose to focus on a few minor incidents which took place by BOTH teams. (I know you'd appreciate my use of capitals)
Rte are at it again. Why should we talk to the c×××s
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 03:21:58 PM
Rte are at it again. Why should we talk to the c×××s
I vented earlier and am still very sore over it but I think both teams showed great heart, passion and no lack of skill given the conditions and there were plenty of positives from both sides in an entraling encounter
The tipp supporters at the game were fantastic and very sporting in defeat. This is really distasteful.
How come Tyrone are involved in a lot of negativity a lot of the time in general . They're always friggin moaning too, right all chip on the shoulder. Yer not special lads , ye just take winning at all costs to a different level but that is your right and until there is serious debate to rule change and an effort to help the better footballers play football with more freedom in them rule changes , we are stuck with this shite .
Denial after denial is just as boring as your tactics . In modern society we keep trying different angles and fob off the general consensus as high stool talk , " sure they never kicked a ball" . Newsflash, we are the paying customers and we are fed up to the teeth of it. To see that absolute tr**p Ricey mcmennimon on laochra Gael the other week was enough to make me vomit but he epitomises the birth of dirty rotten Gaelic football.
Why have the Mayo lads got it in for Tyrone?
Quote from: ONeill on May 03, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
I watched it again there and couldn't see any supposed cheating or diving. I think people have made up their minds before a game starts, or have their minds made up for them.
A brilliant game in those conditions I thought.
Ain't that the truth.
I feel for those individuals who were chained to their TVs, and forced to watch such muck, having already determined in their own minds how repulsive the Tyrone display would be. How dare those uppity Nordies come down here and have the temerity to actually win, an absolute disgrace I tell you. God be with the days when they played freely flowing, inoffensive, and utterly ineffectual football, and actually relished being beaten out every gate!
Both teams yesterday emptied their tanks, in woeful conditions, and for which they deserve great credit.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 03, 2015, 03:40:17 PM
How come Tyrone are involved in a lot of negativity a lot of the time in general . They're always friggin moaning too, right all chip on the shoulder. Yer not special lads , ye just take winning at all costs to a different level but that is your right and until there is serious debate to rule change and an effort to help the better footballers play football with more freedom in them rule changes , we are stuck with this shite .
Denial after denial is just as boring as your tactics . In modern society we keep trying different angles and fob off the general consensus as high stool talk , " sure they never kicked a ball" . Newsflash, we are the paying customers and we are fed up to the teeth of it. To see that absolute tr**p Ricey mcmennimon on laochra Gael the other week was enough to make me vomit but he epitomises the birth of dirty rotten Gaelic football.
Another classy post and you wonder why Tyrone lads come on here to defend their players.
Larryin89, give up the oul gargle, you'll see straighter, honest.
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 03:21:58 PM
Rte are at it again. Why should we talk to the c×××s
No stay strong.
My impression yesterday was that Tyrone were the much better side in the first half. They created multiple chances but still found themselves two points behind. Yesterday the awful conditions made it very hard for forwards especially, and the ball wouldn't stick. Tipperary were very dangerous in the last few minutes when they just threw everything at Tyrone. The lessons learned should be that next years final should be played in Croke Park. Both of these sets of players deserved that at least. Will Tyrone have many of these players for next year? Tipperary will grow in confidence and next year could very well be theirs they still have a young team.
Very sad for the man that died yesterday. Was their an ambulance at the ground or did they have to wait on one coming?
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 03, 2015, 03:51:42 PM
Very sad for the man that died yesterday. Was their an ambulance at the ground or did they have to wait on one coming?
There was one already there, but a second had to be summoned.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 03, 2015, 03:51:13 PM
Larryin89, give up the oul gargle, you'll see straighter, honest.
I'm dry two years now mo chara , no need to bring it into the conversation here though.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 03, 2015, 03:57:18 PM
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 03, 2015, 03:51:42 PM
Very sad for the man that died yesterday. Was their an ambulance at the ground or did they have to wait on one coming?
There was one already there, but a second had to be summoned.
Go raibh maith agat Fear ón Srath Bán. Who would have thought two people would be in serious trouble during the game.
I actually know an older gael by us who was warned by doctors not to go to matches because of heart problems. He always listened to the games on the radio. Last year a few locals decided to take him to see an all Ireland semi final as he never had been to Dublin never mind Croke Park before. Poor old lad asked would Croke Park have toilets. I know that story had nothing to do with yesterday but thought it worth while sharing.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 03, 2015, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 03, 2015, 03:51:13 PM
Larryin89, give up the oul gargle, you'll see straighter, honest.
I'm dry two years now mo chara , no need to bring it into the conversation here though.
My apologies a chara, though I'm actually more fearful for your sanity now: such unhinged sentiments about a proven winner in our game is not reassuring, a wee bit of such mettle as his in Mayo football would not have gone amiss.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 03, 2015, 03:46:35 PM
Why have the Mayo lads got it in for Tyrone?
Because they knocked us out of the championship in 2008 and em...... ;)
I was surprised Tyrone didn't have a second strip yesterday it looked like they came out with the wet ones from the first half. Dose any one know if Tyrone will have many of them players next year?
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 03, 2015, 04:15:37 PM
I was surprised Tyrone didn't have a second strip yesterday it looked like they came out with the wet ones from the first half. Dose any one know if Tyrone will have many of them players next year?
Cathal Mc Shane and Mark Bradley are already Senior squad members, and the general consensus would be that at least 6 others could make the grade.
As a neutral (albeit it very anti-Tyrone and pro Tipp neutral in this case!!) I can't see the issue that some have. It was a good game which was contested right to the very last kick by 2 very committed teams in atrocious conditions. Both teams had the moments of 'championship' cynicism but given what was at stake who can blame them. It happens in all sports, at all levels. Congrats to Fergal Logan and all involved and hard luck to Tipp. They will build on this I hope and put real pressure on Kerry and Cork in Munster at least.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 03, 2015, 04:21:40 PM
As a neutral (albeit it very anti-Tyrone and pro Tipp neutral in this case!!)....
Thank Christ, all natural order is not disintegrating so.... ;)
I know Joe Hannigan fairly well, and he is very passionate about Tipp football. Because of this, and because of how invested he is emotionally in the 2020 vision, he sometimes says things he shouldn't. This is one of those times. If he is bitching and whinging, in Joe Duffy mode, he is not doing himself nor the cause he loves any good and I'm sure he will realise this very quickly when the pain of the defeat starts to wear off a bit.
rrhf, don't worry a bit about Tipp football. They may never make the breakthrough at senior level, but it won't be for the want of trying, nor will it be for the want of learning from defeats such as this. They know what they are doing, and everyone is pulling in the one direction. Tipp are not going to go away any time soon, and I'm convinced they will win at least a Munster in the short to medium term. The players are there, the preparation has improved immensely and they have good men over them.
As regards the Tyrone manager not being let into the dressing room, I'm not sure why that would have happened. It doesn't sound like Tommy Twomey to me. He's a very amenable man. It may have been some sort of misunderstanding or bad timing. I hope that is the case. Maybe I'll hear that something else was going on in the coming days.
In fairness if you felt the other team had mugged their way to an AI title (that's not even my personal opinion, but it appears to be one that some segments of Tipp believe) then it would have been disingenuous in the extreme for Tipp to let the brains of that operation come along and try to be a sportsman only when it suited. That's the least of anyone's worries.
Didn't record yesterday's game. Is it being repeated or are there any link to it?
Quote from: Syferus on May 03, 2015, 05:22:02 PM
In fairness if you felt the other team had mugged their way to an AI title (that's not even my personal opinion, but it appears to be one that some segments of Tipp believe) then it would have been disingenuous in the extreme for Tipp to let the brains of that operation come along and try to be a sportsman only when it suited. That's the least of anyone's worries.
You chose this word. Explain how Tyrone mugged their way to this AI!
You don't know feargal logan. He will teach you boys sportsmanship. An absolute gentleman.
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
You don't know feargal logan. He will teach you boys sportsmanship. An absolute gentleman.
I don't know the man but some of his rants are a bit embarassing.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
You don't know feargal logan. He will teach you boys sportsmanship. An absolute gentleman.
I don't know the man but some of his rants are a bit embarassing.
So list the names of AI winning managers who aren't prone to human condition lapses. I can wait! ;)
Quote from: Syferus on May 03, 2015, 05:22:02 PM
In fairness if you felt the other team had mugged their way to an AI title (that's not even my personal opinion, but it appears to be one that some segments of Tipp believe) then it would have been disingenuous in the extreme for Tipp to let the brains of that operation come along and try to be a sportsman only when it suited. That's the least of anyone's worries.
You say nothing, you learn from it, and you come back twice as ready the next time. I'm not sure what you mean by the brains of the operation, or being a sportsman only when it suited. You should be sportsmanlike all the time if you can, and if you can't then just shut up until you can speak.
Whatever you may think or feel can be held internally and used when the next appropriate situation arises. And I'm sure that's what is happening in Tipp, no matter what Joe says out of frustration on air.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 03, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
You don't know feargal logan. He will teach you boys sportsmanship. An absolute gentleman.
I don't know the man but some of his rants are a bit embarassing.
So list the names of AI winning managers who aren't prone to human condition lapses. I can wait! ;)
Not of that scale but any which way doesn't invalidate my point so not a particularly relevant question...
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:44:53 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 03, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
You don't know feargal logan. He will teach you boys sportsmanship. An absolute gentleman.
I don't know the man but some of his rants are a bit embarassing.
So list the names of AI winning managers who aren't prone to human condition lapses. I can wait! ;)
Not of that scale but any which way doesn't invalidate my point so not a particularly relevant question...
Please explain yourself so, embarrassing to whom exactly?
quite a lot of people really. Personally i found it embarassing listening to the nonsense about southern media not even knowing the names of players. It was like he'd been watching alex ferguson or jose mourinho not a gaa interview. There wasn't much sense of rationale behind it.
What does it matter as he won the ai but it's cringeworthy stuff.
Well, if he wasn't actually correct in what he was saying it would be embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you, and others.
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 03, 2015, 04:15:37 PM
I was surprised Tyrone didn't have a second strip yesterday it looked like they came out with the wet ones from the first half. Dose any one know if Tyrone will have many of them players next year?
I assume you mean how many of this years u21 team are still available next year - I believe it is 7 started from yesterday plus at least another 4/5 of the subs. Tyrone lost AI final in 2013 so should be strong
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 03, 2015, 06:13:43 PM
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 03, 2015, 04:15:37 PM
I was surprised Tyrone didn't have a second strip yesterday it looked like they came out with the wet ones from the first half. Dose any one know if Tyrone will have many of them players next year?
I assume you mean how many of this years u21 team are still available next year - I believe it is 7 started from yesterday plus at least another 4/5 of the subs. Tyrone lost AI final in 2013 so should be strong
I mine Cathal McShane coming off the bench that day and changing the whole game around. Unfortunately he wasn't introduced quicker. Future looks good for Tyrone. I'd say these two teams could possibly meet next year as well.
I think i can live with you being embarassed with or for me.
Yes some people need to be slightly less sore losers but at least one has the excuse it was raw. No excuse for the others. I said nothing about your victory or the game yesterday. To me i thought tyrone were a much better physically conditioned team and this helped a lot a) in conditions and b) in the tackling/ dispossesing and ultimately in my view won them the game as there was little in it football wise. Also they were tactically a bit savvier. If the ball had broke more for him on quite a few occassions mcnulty would have been one on one and tyrone were never going to be in this position the other end. Also the goal wouldn't have happened at the other end of the field as a tipp man wouldn't have ran that far without being closed down.
If that's the way logan gets on though i hope if he takes over your senior seat he retains the rte media ban :D
I've no doubt you can imtommygun, and hat fully raised to you for that a chara! ;)
We'll see how the management of the Seniors unfolds, though suffice it to say that Fergal Logan won't shy away from any D4-ensconced media moguls. :)
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:55:13 PM
quite a lot of people really. Personally i found it embarassing listening to the nonsense about southern media not even knowing the names of players. It was like he'd been watching alex ferguson or jose mourinho not a gaa interview. There wasn't much sense of rationale behind it.
What does it matter as he won the ai but it's cringeworthy stuff.
He was asked after the semi final about being written off by sections of the media and he replied by referencing a paid journalist who named many of the Roscommon team but only name checked Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher on the Tyrone team. I think his rationale was more about paid journalists previewing games in national newspapers without doing any form of research on one of the two teams he is supposed to be writing about. As far as I remember the interview quoted was for teamtalkmag which is a Tyrone media source so he was possibly a little less guarded than usual and was getting the point across that he used this to fire up the team. Is this really that embarrassing? Feck me, you must never leave the house without a big red head on you if you get embarrassed that easily!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 03, 2015, 06:29:26 PM
I've no doubt you can imtommygun, and hat fully raised to you for that a chara! ;)
We'll see how the management of the Seniors unfolds, though suffice it to say that Fergal Logan won't shy away from any D4-ensconced media moguls. :)
Haha oh we have people who make eejits of themselves in the media too. Thankfully it's mostly those who are not involved but they can also be embarassing so you're not alone in the media embarassment front;D i suspect winning makes it easier to accept though hence your stance ;)
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:55:13 PM
quite a lot of people really. Personally i found it embarassing listening to the nonsense about southern media not even knowing the names of players. It was like he'd been watching alex ferguson or jose mourinho not a gaa interview. There wasn't much sense of rationale behind it.
What does it matter as he won the ai but it's cringeworthy stuff.
He was asked after the semi final about being written off by sections of the media and he replied by referencing a paid journalist who named many of the Roscommon team but only name checked Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher on the Tyrone team. I think his rationale was more about paid journalists previewing games in national newspapers without doing any form of research on one of the two teams he is supposed to be writing about. As far as I remember the interview quoted was for teamtalkmag which is a Tyrone media source so he was possibly a little less guarded than usual and was getting the point across that he used this to fire up the team. Is this really that embarrassing? Feck me, you must never leave the house without a big red head on you if you get embarrassed that easily!
That Roscommon team with Cathal Daly, Cathal Compton, Ultan Harvey and Enda Smyth is full of household names though. Never been the same since Donie Shannon became overage, though. :o
The media haven't a clue about the players in any county bar the big three or four.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 03, 2015, 02:50:21 PM
So a 30 minute debate on national radio about a championship that has hardly been mentioned up to this point has just taken place on rte sport, what are they talking about? the great game of football, sadly no, a debate on the sad state our great game is in thanks to the training and condoning of cynical tactics, now every contact sport will have so called hard and dirty players but the laws of the game are there to punish them but when it is coached and becomes a part of any teams systems then it is impossible for any official to control hence the current mayhem about the state and standard of our games, so I stand by my post last evening, cheating or coached cheating is now part and parcel of our games, take a bow all involved and shame on counties like Kerry who have copied these tactics, the Kerrys etc should know better, who are etc. well ye know who ye are and I am glad to say no Connacht county is in that category.
You must be on the wind up with that last comment? ;D There was plenty of good in that game yesterday to focus on but the national broadcaster once again chose to focus on a few minor incidents which took place by BOTH teams. (I know you'd appreciate my use of capitals)
His post had 180 words, with one question mark and no full stops. Even Eddie Moroney stopped for some TK lemonade.
Congrats to Tyrone and hard luck to Tipp.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 03, 2015, 06:29:26 PM
I've no doubt you can imtommygun, and hat fully raised to you for that a chara! ;)
We'll see how the management of the Seniors unfolds, though suffice it to say that Fergal Logan won't shy away from any D4-ensconced media moguls. :)
Haha oh we have people who make eejits of themselves in the media too. Thankfully it's mostly those who are not involved but they can also be embarassing so you're not alone in the media embarassment front;D i suspect winning makes it easier to accept though hence your stance ;)
Yep, all sweet and delightful today, where even the dimmest of keyboard warriors won't dim the shine - boy, have I strutted these streets today. Bragging rights is the proper term I believe :D ;)
Haha. Well be happy then fosb. I don't begrudge you anything btw and your keyboard warrior point does show some irony when you thinly veil your insults but if you're not dim like the rest of us you will already have worked that out ;) Best of luck in c'ship.
Quote from: Syferus on May 03, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:55:13 PM
quite a lot of people really. Personally i found it embarassing listening to the nonsense about southern media not even knowing the names of players. It was like he'd been watching alex ferguson or jose mourinho not a gaa interview. There wasn't much sense of rationale behind it.
What does it matter as he won the ai but it's cringeworthy stuff.
He was asked after the semi final about being written off by sections of the media and he replied by referencing a paid journalist who named many of the Roscommon team but only name checked Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher on the Tyrone team. I think his rationale was more about paid journalists previewing games in national newspapers without doing any form of research on one of the two teams he is supposed to be writing about. As far as I remember the interview quoted was for teamtalkmag which is a Tyrone media source so he was possibly a little less guarded than usual and was getting the point across that he used this to fire up the team. Is this really that embarrassing? Feck me, you must never leave the house without a big red head on you if you get embarrassed that easily!
That Roscommn team with Cathal Daly, Cathal Compton, Ultan Harvey and Enda Smyth is full of household names though. Never been the same since Donie Shannon became overage, though. :o
The media haven't a clue about the players in any county bar the big three or four.
Feck the media don't have a clue about most senior teams, bar the high profile ones. Understandable, given the lack of coverage of Division 3 and 4 teams in the League and the Championship. Most make their predictions based on tradition and to be fair it is often a fail safe method when it comes to the GAA. Then there is the favourite stereotypes which are churned out when they happen and ignored when they don't. Examples of this Tyrone are cynical. Meath are never beaten. Mayo don't have forwards. Kerry are never cynical. Galway play nice football. Eugene McGee springs to mind!
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
You don't know feargal logan. He will teach you boys sportsmanship. An absolute gentleman.
I don't know the man but some of his rants are a bit embarassing.
"Some" and "rants" needs meat on the bones here. How many are some and what is a rant?
After seeing the highlights there on Rte I didn't see a whole lot wrong with the tipp goal but a goalie will get a free out in that situation 10 out of 10 times.
A genuine question and this isn't me moaning just curious. What actually does warrant a free being taken away from a team and a throw ball given? Can some explain to me why the ref would have been right to allow Tyrone keep the free right at the end of the game. As I say don't that this as me giving out about it just wondering is all. Thanks
Also it was never a free out in the first place, Tyrone player put his head down and drove into the tipp lads.
http://www.tg4.tv/play.php?pid=4211608413001&title=Tiobraid%20Árann%20v%20T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20-%20Craobh%20Peile%20Eirgrid%20Fé%2021&series=Sports%20Clips
Cathal McShanes' goal!!
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
After seeing the highlights there on Rte I didn't see a whole lot wrong with the tipp goal but a goalie will get a free out in that situation 10 out of 10 times.
A genuine question and this isn't me moaning just curious. What actually does warrant a free being taken away from a team and a throw ball given? Can some explain to me why the ref would have been right to allow Tyrone keep the free right at the end of the game. As I say don't that this as me giving out about it just wondering is all. Thanks
Also it was never a free out in the first place, Tyrone player put his head down and drove into the tipp lads.
Look, Tippabu, I could sit here all night and complain about referee decisions that have cost Tyrone big games over the years. Paddy Russell's brain farts in the 1995 AI final, Meaths assault in 1996, Canavan and O'Neill getting the line in 2005 Ulster Final etc etc. Every team have had reasons to moan about refs over the years. You can either accept that these things happen and learn from it and move on, ensuring next time you are too far ahead for the ref to have an impact or spend the next 10 years moaning about it and standing still. (like Armagh since 2003 ;)) One of these days these decisions will go for you and you will take it and run because that's the way things work.
Ive been reading quotes from your u21 manager tonight and to be honest, a fella with an attitude like that, blaming everyone else publicly for his team's loss, will never take you to the next level. You have a good set of players, a lot of them underage next year, go away, get someone sensible on board and ensure there is plenty of room for referee error next year.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
After seeing the highlights there on Rte I didn't see a whole lot wrong with the tipp goal but a goalie will get a free out in that situation 10 out of 10 times.
A genuine question and this isn't me moaning just curious. What actually does warrant a free being taken away from a team and a throw ball given? Can some explain to me why the ref would have been right to allow Tyrone keep the free right at the end of the game. As I say don't that this as me giving out about it just wondering is all. Thanks
Also it was never a free out in the first place, Tyrone player put his head down and drove into the tipp lads.
Look, Tippabu, I could sit here all night and complain about referee decisions that have cost Tyrone big games over the years. Paddy Russell's brain farts in the 1995 AI final, Meaths assault in 1996, Canavan and O'Neill getting the line in 2005 Ulster Final etc etc. Every team have had reasons to moan about refs over the years. You can either accept that these things happen and learn from it and move on, ensuring next time you are too far ahead for the ref to have an impact or spend the next 10 years moaning about it and standing still. (like Armagh since 2003 ;)) One of these days these decisions will go for you and you will take it and run because that's the way things work.
Ive been reading quotes from your u21 manager tonight and to be honest, a fella with an attitude like that, blaming everyone else publicly for his team's loss, will never take you to the next level. You have a good set of players, a lot of them underage next year, go away, get someone sensible on board and ensure there is no room for error next year.
I accept that decisions went equally against both teams, I'm not having a moan just asking the question is all and wondering what yer views on it are.
Where's those quotes Benny? I'm surprised if Tommy is going over the top. He hasn't been like that before, and his comments before the final were very level headed as well I thought.
I haven't spoken to any of them yet, so maybe there's something annoying them that wasn't apparent last night. Or maybe they are deliberately trying to set the scene of 'us against the world' or something for this years seniors, a lot of whom are U21s.
Either way, there's good lads in charge of these teams in Tipp at the moment.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Where's those quotes Benny? I'm surprised if Tommy is going over the top. He hasn't been like that before, and his comments before the final were very level headed as well I thought.
I haven't spoken to any of them yet, so maybe there's something annoying them that wasn't apparent last night. Or maybe they are deliberately trying to set the scene of 'us against the world' or something for this years seniors, a lot of whom are U21s.
Either way, there's good lads in charge of these teams in Tipp at the moment.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=236545
Tipperary manager Toomy Toomey hit out at Tyrone's tactics and the performance of referee Fergal Kelly following his side's heartbreaking All-Ireland U21FC final loss last night.
Tipp's quest for a first title in the grade fell agonisingly short in the Parnell Park mud and in an interview with RTE afterwards, Toomey was particularly sore over the decision to give Tyrone a free out instead of reversing it after Michael Cassidy was shown a second yellow card in the dying moments.
"Of course we're hurt, we've just lost an All-Ireland final," he said.
"But we'll come back out of it, I've no doubt we will. I congratulate Tyrone on their win.
"Looking at a few bits and pieces from the end of the game and maybe we could have got a draw. But that's the referee's decision and that's how the game is played but how you measure that, I don't know.
"The referee will have to offer an explanation but they don't do they? Retaliation or whatever was done on the player after the whistle is blown, the referee usually throws up the ball but in this case he didn't."
Commenting on the controversial tactics employed by the Red Hands, Toomey added: "
All along in front of us, I saw our players being hit and pushed and dragged. That to me is a different way to play football than we would."I shook Fergal's [Logan] hand on the field of play, just there and I waited for him when his players were coming into the dressing room late and we were leaving. We didn't want an incident and it was as simple as that, we left.
"That's the way they play but look you're not going to force me to make any sort of explanation on this. What I see is what I see on the field of play and everyone else sees it as well."That's all I'm saying about it. At the end of the game, in the the last 10 minutes
, Tyrone are experts at winding the clock down, at goading people and that's my opinion and I'll stick to that."
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Where's those quotes Benny? I'm surprised if Tommy is going over the top. He hasn't been like that before, and his comments before the final were very level headed as well I thought.
I haven't spoken to any of them yet, so maybe there's something annoying them that wasn't apparent last night. Or maybe they are deliberately trying to set the scene of 'us against the world' or something for this years seniors, a lot of whom are U21s.
Either way, there's good lads in charge of these teams in Tipp at the moment.
This is from hoganstand
Tipperary manager Toomy Toomey hit out at Tyrone's tactics and the performance of referee Fergal Kelly following his side's heartbreaking All-Ireland U21FC final loss last night.
Tipp's quest for a first title in the grade fell agonisingly short in the Parnell Park mud and in an interview with RTE afterwards, Toomey was particularly sore over the decision to give Tyrone a free out instead of reversing it after Michael Cassidy was shown a second yellow card in the dying moments.
"Of course we're hurt, we've just lost an All-Ireland final," he said.
"But we'll come back out of it, I've no doubt we will. I congratulate Tyrone on their win.
"Looking at a few bits and pieces from the end of the game and maybe we could have got a draw. But that's the referee's decision and that's how the game is played but how you measure that, I don't know.
"The referee will have to offer an explanation but they don't do they? Retaliation or whatever was done on the player after the whistle is blown, the referee usually throws up the ball but in this case he didn't."
Commenting on the controversial tactics employed by the Red Hands, Toomey added: "All along in front of us, I saw our players being hit and pushed and dragged. That to me is a different way to play football than we would.
"I shook Fergal's [Logan] hand on the field of play, just there and I waited for him when his players were coming into the dressing room late and we were leaving. We didn't want an incident and it was as simple as that, we left.
"That's the way they play but look you're not going to force me to make any sort of explanation on this. What I see is what I see on the field of play and everyone else sees it as well.
"That's all I'm saying about it. At the end of the game, in the the last 10 minutes, Tyrone are experts at winding the clock down, at goading people and that's my opinion and I'll stick to that."
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
After seeing the highlights there on Rte I didn't see a whole lot wrong with the tipp goal but a goalie will get a free out in that situation 10 out of 10 times.
A genuine question and this isn't me moaning just curious. What actually does warrant a free being taken away from a team and a throw ball given? Can some explain to me why the ref would have been right to allow Tyrone keep the free right at the end of the game. As I say don't that this as me giving out about it just wondering is all. Thanks
Also it was never a free out in the first place, Tyrone player put his head down and drove into the tipp lads.
Look, Tippabu, I could sit here all night and complain about referee decisions that have cost Tyrone big games over the years. Paddy Russell's brain farts in the 1995 AI final, Meaths assault in 1996, Canavan and O'Neill getting the line in 2005 Ulster Final etc etc. Every team have had reasons to moan about refs over the years. You can either accept that these things happen and learn from it and move on, ensuring next time you are too far ahead for the ref to have an impact or spend the next 10 years moaning about it and standing still. (like Armagh since 2003 ;)) One of these days these decisions will go for you and you will take it and run because that's the way things work.
Ive been reading quotes from your u21 manager tonight and to be honest, a fella with an attitude like that, blaming everyone else publicly for his team's loss, will never take you to the next level. You have a good set of players, a lot of them underage next year, go away, get someone sensible on board and ensure there is no room for error next year.
I accept that decisions went equally against both teams, I'm not having a moan just asking the question is all and wondering what yer views on it are.
It was a balls of a decision to be fair and if I'm honest I wouldn't have begrudged you a draw at that point but the ref was poor all night. It all just didn't boil down to that one incident though. I don't want to single out a young lad for blame but a few relatively easy frees were missed that would have drawn the game for you. You can't control a ref but these are the things you can control for next time.
This is getting comical now. They, d be ate alive by the kerry s etc. Kevin keegan wouldn't have a look in.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
After seeing the highlights there on Rte I didn't see a whole lot wrong with the tipp goal but a goalie will get a free out in that situation 10 out of 10 times.
A genuine question and this isn't me moaning just curious. What actually does warrant a free being taken away from a team and a throw ball given? Can some explain to me why the ref would have been right to allow Tyrone keep the free right at the end of the game. As I say don't that this as me giving out about it just wondering is all. Thanks
Also it was never a free out in the first place, Tyrone player put his head down and drove into the tipp lads.
Look, Tippabu, I could sit here all night and complain about referee decisions that have cost Tyrone big games over the years. Paddy Russell's brain farts in the 1995 AI final, Meaths assault in 1996, Canavan and O'Neill getting the line in 2005 Ulster Final etc etc. Every team have had reasons to moan about refs over the years. You can either accept that these things happen and learn from it and move on, ensuring next time you are too far ahead for the ref to have an impact or spend the next 10 years moaning about it and standing still. (like Armagh since 2003 ;)) One of these days these decisions will go for you and you will take it and run because that's the way things work.
Ive been reading quotes from your u21 manager tonight and to be honest, a fella with an attitude like that, blaming everyone else publicly for his team's loss, will never take you to the next level. You have a good set of players, a lot of them underage next year, go away, get someone sensible on board and ensure there is no room for error next year.
I accept that decisions went equally against both teams, I'm not having a moan just asking the question is all and wondering what yer views on it are.
It was a balls of a decision to be fair and if I'm honest I wouldn't have begrudged you a draw at that point but the ref was poor all night. It all just didn't boil down to that one incident though. I don't want to single out a young lad for blame but a few relatively easy frees were missed that would have drawn the game for you. These are the things you can control for next time.
That's fair enough.
For us next year, goalie evan comer Ford, no. 7 bill maher, 8 Stephen O'brien, 10 Jason lonergan, 11 Ian fahy and 13 Kevin o halloran are over age. Kerry especially should be strong at under 21 but we still have a good team although all the players overage are big big players for us. Can only really see some of this year's minor team being the ones to step up but should have a decent say on the minster title again and especially with Colin o riordan anything can happen
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2015, 08:51:11 PM
Do tipp take their losses badly in the hurling as well. The manager comes across as a bit of a clown. He'll be ate alive by the kerry s etc. Kevin keegan esque.
let's be honest your own manager didn't that the semi final win very well now did he? If you're calling tommy twomey a clown it's hard not to see how you wouldn't think the same about fergal after the roscommon game.
The only sort of unfortunate thing I would say is his last comment. It's Hogan Stand who say 'Hit Out' at Tyrone and the Ref's performance. All he actually says is...
Of course we're hurt, we've just lost an All-Ireland final," he said. "But we'll come back out of it, I've no doubt we will. I congratulate Tyrone on their win.
He then says ""Looking at a few bits and pieces from the end of the game and maybe we could have got a draw. But that's the referee's decision and that's how the game is played but how you measure that, I don't know.
"The referee will have to offer an explanation but they don't do they? Retaliation or whatever was done on the player after the whistle is blown, the referee usually throws up the ball but in this case he didn't."
I think both of those comments are fair enough and measured enough. A lot of people were wondering about the ball not being thrown in.
His comments about the tactics are off the mark and again I would say coming from a lad that's a bit raw. In hindsight I'm sure he will appreciate the streetwise aspect of it. The harsh reality is all good/great teams can turn on the cynicism when it's needed, and I think Tipp will realise that too. If he truly thinks Tyrone did something unusual or beyond the pale last night I think he's in trouble, but I don't think in the cold light of day he would be as emotive.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2015, 07:09:49 PM
Haha. Well be happy then fosb. I don't begrudge you anything btw and your keyboard warrior point does show some irony when you thinly veil your insults but if you're not dim like the rest of us you will already have worked that out ;) Best of luck in c'ship.
I'm a grand keyboard warrior myself, to be sure, ach is mise John Mc Elhinney, which is not news to the majority of folk I'd say, and big deal -- it will help INDIANA as he tosses those rose petals on my perambulatory victory tour of da Capital! ;) :)
Tommy Twomey's letting the Tipp side down a bit I think, though admirably resolute, he might wind it in just slightly.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 08:58:02 PM
The only sort of unfortunate thing I would say is his last comment. It's Hogan Stand who say 'Hit Out' at Tyrone and the Ref's performance. All he actually says is...
Of course we're hurt, we've just lost an All-Ireland final," he said. "But we'll come back out of it, I've no doubt we will. I congratulate Tyrone on their win.
He then says ""Looking at a few bits and pieces from the end of the game and maybe we could have got a draw. But that's the referee's decision and that's how the game is played but how you measure that, I don't know.
"The referee will have to offer an explanation but they don't do they? Retaliation or whatever was done on the player after the whistle is blown, the referee usually throws up the ball but in this case he didn't."
I think both of those comments are fair enough and measured enough. A lot of people were wondering about the ball not being thrown in.
His comments about the tactics are off the mark and again I would say coming from a lad that's a bit raw. In hindsight I'm sure he will appreciate the streetwise aspect of it. The harsh reality is all good/great teams can turn on the cynicism when it's needed, and I think Tipp will realise that too. If he truly thinks Tyrone did something unusual or beyond the pale last night I think he's in trouble, but I don't think in the cold light of day he would be as emotive.
His comments on tactics were what I was reffering to. The bits I highlighted in bold a few posts ago are all a bit nonsensical in my opinion and display a few signs of a fella who may not be fit to see a clear picture as to what his team need to do to come back as winners. The whole, "we'd play football different" and "I can't explain the way they play" stuff is just nonsense and serves no real purpose. Perhaps he's been taking note on how Kerry have responded to defeats from Tyrone teams over the years.
Or else he's just setting the scene that Tipp would never do that sort of thing, knowing all the time that they would and will. They'll be seen as the purists who would never sink so low :) Smart thinking.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 09:17:34 PM
Or else he's just setting the scene that Tipp would never do that sort of thing, knowing all the time that they would and will. They'll be seen as the purists who would never sink so low :) Smart thinking.
He's clearly a genius! :D
Shame to see Tyrone indulging in pathetic behaviour again. Seems to be widely accepted in the county which is disappointing. Would have hoped someone from Tyrone might have spoken out against it but alas not.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 03, 2015, 09:31:25 PM
Shame to see Tyrone indulging in pathetic behaviour again. Seems to be widely accepted in the county which is disappointing. Would have hoped someone from Tyrone might have spoken out against it but alas not.
There's much better wums than you on this board. But keep practising, I'm sure you'll improve! !
Would love to have had such an outpouring of solidarity from the keyboard warriors in 95 and 96. We tried fighting the clean fight in the past and all we got was a pat on the head and a "f**k off home again, good man" from the establishment. Shame on us for not being as naive as some and happily accepting the perennial losers tag.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on May 03, 2015, 09:31:25 PM
Shame to see Tyrone indulging in pathetic behaviour again. Seems to be widely accepted in the county which is disappointing. Would have hoped someone from Tyrone might have spoken out against it but alas not.
There's much better wums than you on this board. But keep practising, I'm sure you'll improve! !
He's more negative about his own county...shhhhhhhhheeeeeeeiiiiit
I think one thing is for certain and that we can all agree on, this has been by no means a boring championship and we've definitely gotten plenty of dicussion out of it!!
Remind me, who won the 2015 U21 All-Ireland?
Was it Tyrone?
Quote from: The Stallion on May 03, 2015, 09:31:25 PM
Shame to see Tyrone indulging in pathetic behaviour again. Seems to be widely accepted in the county which is disappointing. Would have hoped someone from Tyrone might have spoken out against it but alas not.
No suprise , the faux outrage from someone from Derry!
Must try harder !
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 09:51:30 PM
I think one thing is for certain and that we can all agree on, this has been by no means a boring championship and we've definitely gotten plenty of dicussion out of it!!
I preferred it in the years when we were looking back and cooing about the quality of the football on show.
Just watching the game here now as had it recorded.
I totally missed the McShane stamping incident on 11 mins.
Just watched it now and Tipp No. 8 Steven O'Brien firstly sees that McShane picks up the breaking ball so he holds his waist and kicks at his legs while the ball was in McShanes hands and so bringing him down. He then clearly looks down at his legs and purposely stands on his upper leg before landing on him. The ref was about 2 yards away.
To me the initial kick at his ankles whilst holding his waist was at least a yellow if not red card as it was totally intentional to hurt him but McShane is such an animal of a player he made light of it so then O'Brien had to do the stamp thing.
I know there was other incidents in the game to discuss so please don't defend this one with
"Well what about the...."
I know its all over now but in normal circumstances that incident would be highlighted and the cccc would propose a suspension. A very clear example of trying to take out one of the best players. Surely the most cynical incident of the game but it's one rule for one.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 10:09:58 PM
Just watching the game here now as had it recorded.
I totally missed the McShane stamping incident on 11 mins.
Just watched it now and Tipp No. 8 Steven O'Brien firstly sees that McShane picks up the breaking ball so he holds his waist and kicks at his legs while the ball was in McShanes hands and so bringing him down. He then clearly looks down at his legs and purposely stands on his upper leg before landing on him. The ref was about 2 yards away.
To me the initial kick at his ankles whilst holding his waist was at least a yellow if not red card as it was totally intentional to hurt him but McShane is such an animal of a player he made light of it so then O'Brien had to do the stamp thing.
I know there was other incidents in the game to discuss so please don't defend this one with
"Well what about the...."
I know its all over now but in normal circumstances that incident would be highlighted and the cccc would propose a suspension. A very clear example of trying to take out one of the best players. Surely the most cynical incident of the game but it's one rule for one.
Same lad who elbowed a Roscommon player in the face in the semi. What's good for the goose and all that. He was beyond lucky to even be on the field to be stamped on in the first place. Dirty act by O'Brien but let's not make out the fact he's a 'beast' or because he's from Tyrone that it wasn't called - it was because there was a terrible ref on the field.
Quote from: tippabu on May 03, 2015, 09:51:30 PM
I think one thing is for certain and that we can all agree on, this has been by no means a boring championship and we've definitely gotten plenty of dicussion out of it!!
You're a dirty shower of hewers, just not quite dirty enough! Sin é a chara ;) :)
Was at the game yesterday and really enjoyed it. Some of the comments on here are from the usual Tyrone haters, and the Tipp manager hasn't done himself any favours with his whining. Tyrone have nothing to apologise for ... after what happened in the 1996 AI semi-final, all bets have been, and will be forever more, off.
Keep kicking, we'll just kick back more ;D
If the CCCCC order a replay for unsportsmanlike behaviour etc, then there's barely a window between now & September. Tyrone seniors are out in 2 weeks and Tipp's hurling schedule further complicates matters.
Quote from: red hander on May 03, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
Was at the game yesterday and really enjoyed it. Some of the comments on here are from the usual Tyrone haters, and the Tipp manager hasn't done himself any favours with his whining. Tyrone have nothing to apologise for ... after what happened in the 1996 AI semi-final, all bets have been, and will be forever more, off.
Keep kicking, we'll just kick back more ;D
Fair play to the Tipp manager. Easiest thing to do is go with the herd.
For those who haven't saw it themselves.
Imagine it if it was the other way round and Tipps best player was targeted like this. What would you be saying about Tyrone cynicism?
Good for the goose?
What would Brolly say or should we just brush it under the carpet as we all wanted Tipp to win their first AI?
https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI (https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI)
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
For those who haven't saw it themselves.
Imagine it if it was the other way round and Tipps best player was targeted like this. What would you be saying about Tyrone cynicism?
Good for the goose?
What would Brolly say or should we just brush it under the carpet as we all wanted Tipp to win their first AI?
https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI (https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI)
That was no accident. He kicks out resulting Cathal falling and then purposely stamps down on him. Nasty. I mean what was the Tipp player thinking.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
For those who haven't saw it themselves.
Imagine it if it was the other way round and Tipps best player was targeted like this. What would you be saying about Tyrone cynicism?
Good for the goose?
What would Brolly say or should we just brush it under the carpet as we all wanted Tipp to win their first AI?
https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI (https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI)
The one thing I will say about it is, from the last angle the Tyrone player was still rolling on the ground when it happened, as I said I'm not certain it was ment. O'brien is the only one who knows if it was ment or not. People will say I have an obvious bias but that's my honest opinion and may be I am wrong
I think we know what he was thinking.
11 mins played. If you get a chance take him out.
If Tyrone did it to their best player there would be uproar and people phoning Joe Duffy tomorrow.
Just about to post and read your post Tippabu.
You've gone way down in my estimation.
Watch OBriens eyes the whole time. Totally premeditated.
That doesn't look good alright. But it was very early and there can't have been much frustration built up, so I don't know why he would have done it. As tippabu said, only he himself will know.
Are we going to start posting videos of dodgy moments now then? We might be here a while :)
I thought Tyrone and Tipperary were heroic yesterday in terrible conditions. Ref was giving fouls anytime a player went down often more to do with the rain soaked field. Is now very disappointing that Tipp have morphed into Kerry in defeat. Is tiresome the begrudery against Tyrone started by that bollocks Spillane in 2003.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 11:02:28 PM
I think we know what he was thinking.
11 mins played. If you get a chance take him out.
If Tyrone did it to their best player there would be uproar and people phoning Joe Duffy tomorrow.
Just about to post and read your post Tippabu.
You've gone way down in my estimation.
Watch OBriens eyes the whole time. Totally premeditated.
Wach his eyes. Feck sake. Do we really want to get into this? Or are ye just annoyed because ye are getting picked on by all the Derry lads again? :)
How do you see it AZ?
Why do you think he did it?
I post the video to show some balance in the one sided shite being spewed on here.
You'd think Tyrone were cynical from start to finish but in fact Tipp did the most cynical action in the whole game but as expected it's swept under the carpet as everyone wanted them to do well.
I see it as reckless, and it looks bad. A definite yellow card I'd say. But I don't see how it can be premeditated or planned beforehand. If it was he did a terrible job because he landed on his hip/thigh instead of his ankle/shin. I don't think there's anything in the first trip at all.
As I said, only Stephen O'Brien knows if he meant to 'do' McShane, but I don't think he did. I also don't think the Tyrone guy that kneed the Tipp lad in the head went in 'premeditated' either.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 11:02:28 PM
I think we know what he was thinking.
11 mins played. If you get a chance take him out.
If Tyrone did it to their best player there would be uproar and people phoning Joe Duffy tomorrow.
Just about to post and read your post Tippabu.
You've gone way down in my estimation.
Watch OBriens eyes the whole time. Totally premeditated.
Fair enough, at least I am prepared to give my opinion right or wrong on the incident, I flagged a couple that happened at the end of the match and got pretty much no replies
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 03, 2015, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
For those who haven't saw it themselves.
Imagine it if it was the other way round and Tipps best player was targeted like this. What would you be saying about Tyrone cynicism?
Good for the goose?
What would Brolly say or should we just brush it under the carpet as we all wanted Tipp to win their first AI?
https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI (https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI)
That was no accident. He kicks out resulting Cathal falling and then purposely stamps down on him. Nasty. I mean what was the Tipp player thinking.
That' was no accident or misjudgement.....
Let's hope action is taken ..Oh jayas wait.... that was a tipp player!!!
Remind me, who won the 2015 U21 All-Ireland?
Was it Tyrone?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 03, 2015, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 03, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
Was at the game yesterday and really enjoyed it. Some of the comments on here are from the usual Tyrone haters, and the Tipp manager hasn't done himself any favours with his whining. Tyrone have nothing to apologise for ... after what happened in the 1996 AI semi-final, all bets have been, and will be forever more, off.
Keep kicking, we'll just kick back more ;D
Fair play to the Tipp manager. Easiest thing to do is go with the herd.
But you go with the herd after every Tyrone game!
I'm not sure what ye are trying to prove lads. Lets just say for arguments sake that Stephen O'Brien meant it. If he did he deserved a red card, not a yellow. And he could have no complaints if that was a deliberate stamp.
Now what? Are we supposed to examine every incident in the game and critique the refereeing decision, or the intent of the various players in the incidents? I'm not sure what ye are trying to accomplish here? Do ye want a count up off all the 'controversial' moments and see whether Tipp or Tyrone 'offended' more? Or are ye just highlighting an incident of Tipp malfeasance to show it's not just Tyrone that does it? If it's the latter, then that's a waste of time. Only WUMs pretend otherwise.
Quote from: tiempo on May 03, 2015, 11:15:15 PM
Remind me, who won the 2015 U21 All-Ireland?
Was it Tyrone?
They did indeed, and fair play to them. Some of their fans should remember that too :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 03, 2015, 11:15:15 PM
Remind me, who won the 2015 U21 All-Ireland?
Was it Tyrone?
They did indeed, and fair play to them. Some of their fans should remember that too :)
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Is that lad reaching for a gun? That's a bit much now in fairness.
Got to say that was a very deliberate stamp. Tip man kicks out at mcshane first is back on his two feet and then deliberately stamps forward on mcshane. Bad form and by far the most cynical incident in the game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:27:26 PM
Is that lad reaching for a gun? That's a bit much now in fairness.
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tyrone-u21-fc-2015.jpg)
Good man tiempo. Keep her lit :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:29:36 PM
Good man tiempo. Keep her lit :)
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Quote from: tiempo on May 03, 2015, 11:30:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:29:36 PM
Good man tiempo. Keep her lit :)
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tyrone-u21-fc-2015.jpg)
Isn't that the Ulster win? There is a co.uk website in behind.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
For those who haven't saw it themselves.
Imagine it if it was the other way round and Tipps best player was targeted like this. What would you be saying about Tyrone cynicism?
Good for the goose?
What would Brolly say or should we just brush it under the carpet as we all wanted Tipp to win their first AI?
https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI (https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI)
Clearly photoshopped.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 03, 2015, 11:34:16 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 03, 2015, 11:30:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:29:36 PM
Good man tiempo. Keep her lit :)
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tyrone-u21-fc-2015.jpg)
Isn't that the Ulster win? There is a co.uk website in behind.
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tyrone-u21-fc-2015.jpg)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:18:48 PM
I'm not sure what ye are trying to prove lads. Lets just say for arguments sake that Stephen O'Brien meant it. If he did he deserved a red card, not a yellow. And he could have no complaints if that was a deliberate stamp.
Now what? Are we supposed to examine every incident in the game and critique the refereeing decision, or the intent of the various players in the incidents? I'm not sure what ye are trying to accomplish here? Do ye want a count up off all the 'controversial' moments and see whether Tipp or Tyrone 'offended' more? Or are ye just highlighting an incident of Tipp malfeasance to show it's not just Tyrone that does it? If it's the latter, then that's a waste of time. Only WUMs pretend otherwise.
AZ, you must notice that there has been umpteen posts on here giving it the usual nonsense about cynical Tyrone etc. I've posted quotes from the Tipp manager claiming his side were victims of these cynical tactics throughout the game. Some fella from the Tipp County board even went on the RTE to complain about our tactics etc. Anyone reading the non Tyrone posts or listening to the radio would get the impression that Tyrone bullied (sorry, maybe "mugged" is the better word) Tipp in order to win this final. The reallity is that, as usual, this is not a one way street and cynical play doesn't stop at the border at Aughnacloy. Fuzz is correct, had that tackle been McShane on O'Brien then there would be men in the streets with pitch forks making their way up North. There is no balance when it comes to these issues in the media or on here (though, I realise a fair majority of those on here are on the wind up which is fair enough and I enjoy that) but some of the comments over the past 24 hours have been utterly ridiculous. Of course we aren't going to analyse every incident but we can't exaggerate incidents on one side of the argument and ignore everything that happens on the other.
That initial kick/swipe is a rare thing to see in this sport.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 11:36:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:18:48 PM
I'm not sure what ye are trying to prove lads. Lets just say for arguments sake that Stephen O'Brien meant it. If he did he deserved a red card, not a yellow. And he could have no complaints if that was a deliberate stamp.
Now what? Are we supposed to examine every incident in the game and critique the refereeing decision, or the intent of the various players in the incidents? I'm not sure what ye are trying to accomplish here? Do ye want a count up off all the 'controversial' moments and see whether Tipp or Tyrone 'offended' more? Or are ye just highlighting an incident of Tipp malfeasance to show it's not just Tyrone that does it? If it's the latter, then that's a waste of time. Only WUMs pretend otherwise.
AZ, you must notice that there has been umpteen posts on here giving it the usual nonsense about cynical Tyrone etc. I've posted quotes from the Tipp manager claiming his side were victims of these cynical tactics throughout the game. Some fella from the Tipp County board even went on the RTE to complain about our tactics etc. Anyone reading the non Tyrone posts or listening to the radio would get the impression that Tyrone bullied (sorry, maybe "mugged" is the better word) Tipp in order to win this final. The reallity is that, as usual, this is not a one way street and cynical play doesn't stop at the border at Aughnacloy. Fuzz is correct, had that tackle been McShane on O'Brien then there would be men in the streets with pitch forks making their way up North. There is no balance when it comes to these issues in the media or on here (though, I realise a fair majority of those on here are on the wind up which is fair enough and I enjoy that) but some of the comments over the past 24 have been utterly ridiculous. Of course we aren't going to analyse every incident but we can't exaggerate incidents on one side of the argument and ignore everything that happens on the other.
I believe the best way forward for the gaa at start of the championship, is to insist any teams
Who play Tyrone wear nice frilly dresses and make clear to Tyrone that it is non contact from now on!!!
Quote from: Jinxy on May 03, 2015, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
For those who haven't saw it themselves.
Imagine it if it was the other way round and Tipps best player was targeted like this. What would you be saying about Tyrone cynicism?
Good for the goose?
What would Brolly say or should we just brush it under the carpet as we all wanted Tipp to win their first AI?
https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI (https://youtu.be/sm_1nolsOhI)
Clearly photoshopped.
Just want to say I'm a physio and there's no way that his arm can reach as far as that. Clearly photo-shopped.
Watched the highlights on RTE tonight and guess what. The editor didn't show the incident.
Judging from the reaction on here I think I'm well justified to highlight it, as there is no balance in how Tyrone football is portrayed by southern media. Ask Joe Brolly and Sean Cavanagh.
Will be interesting to see how many unbiased neutrals see that incident and their take on the intent O'Brien had.
If a similar incident happened live on TSG in two weeks time v Donegal I wonder what reaction the panel would give it. Typical disgraceful Ulster football.
Would it then be called to the CCCC just because RTE have the power.
There's bound to be someone who likes us. I don't think we've done anything on Leitrim.
I think all the L counties don't mind us too much O'Neill.
I'm hoping for a defeat in two weeks time and then trips to Longford, Louth, London, Leitrim, Limerick and maybe even Londonderry.
Sorry lads only messing as trying to calm down from earlier. Don't rise to the bait. Speaking of Derry where is Mr Tickle and his Armagh friends?
I would love a weekend in London though. Have they any Tyrone lads playing for them?
Thought Mark Bradley looked sharp yesterday and hope to see him and McShane a lot more this summer. Also was impressed by some of those defenders. Their work ethic is amazing.
I was really impressed by Hampsey again. A brilliant player who reads the game a split second before others.
the stamp was a dirty action there is no doubt about but to be fair its part and parcel of the game as someone mentioned earlier happens 100s of times up and down the country.
The difference is in the media portrayal of it and everyone on here knows if it was the other way around the usual suspects would be flat out villanising everyone and everything Tyrone for a one piece of opportunistic foul play by one player.
The match was a good match especially so considering the conditions and Tyrone were clearly the better team and should have won by more but for some nervous/bad decision making in front of the posts.
The match was not dirty or even that cynical, the ref had a tough job in those conditions and he was poor, but equally so for both teams, players were getting frees for sliding on the surface and they knew they would get the free so they played on this, again something that happens up and down the country. Some posters say the Tipp goal wasn't a foul on the keeper....ehhh do you know the rules of the game? the keeper can't be tackled in the small rectangle, its a free out, the ref got this right at least.
The changing room incident is just bad form and as for the Tipp county board member...what a total eejit he'll probably regret it in a few weeks if he his ego allows it, I would love to ask him what he was trying to achieve by it...the worrying thing is people think that its an ok thing to do, its clearly not. Its petty, childish and pure sour grapes
Anyway the point I am trying to make is that people had their mind made up about Tyrone before this match had even started. The Rossie lads are especially feeling sore from the semi as they have a good generation of players that they felt could sweep all before them but they took Tyrone for granted in the semi who in turn were fired up and we blew them out of the water. You may feel that on another day Roscommon might have won, that's fair enough, that day they didn't but if thats how you feel its more to do with your own players than Tyrone.
So to all the haters leave off, congratulate or say nothing, let the players enjoy the win and if you want to plot their downfall... do it on the pitch and don't try and discredit this team for coming through a very tough campaign and playing some great football, a fantastic achievement.
So congrats our u21s you've done us proud and commiserations to Tipp after putting up a great display
Just thought I'd check back here to see if any Tyrone people had decided to speak against the cynical play which is clearly rife at all levels in their teams.
It seems the end justifies the means for them though which is a bit disheartening to see, although not unexpected. It's a pity because the good footballers in Tyrone are being overshadowed by this blight on the game.
Clown..
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 11:36:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2015, 11:18:48 PM
I'm not sure what ye are trying to prove lads. Lets just say for arguments sake that Stephen O'Brien meant it. If he did he deserved a red card, not a yellow. And he could have no complaints if that was a deliberate stamp.
Now what? Are we supposed to examine every incident in the game and critique the refereeing decision, or the intent of the various players in the incidents? I'm not sure what ye are trying to accomplish here? Do ye want a count up off all the 'controversial' moments and see whether Tipp or Tyrone 'offended' more? Or are ye just highlighting an incident of Tipp malfeasance to show it's not just Tyrone that does it? If it's the latter, then that's a waste of time. Only WUMs pretend otherwise.
AZ, you must notice that there has been umpteen posts on here giving it the usual nonsense about cynical Tyrone etc. I've posted quotes from the Tipp manager claiming his side were victims of these cynical tactics throughout the game. Some fella from the Tipp County board even went on the RTE to complain about our tactics etc. Anyone reading the non Tyrone posts or listening to the radio would get the impression that Tyrone bullied (sorry, maybe "mugged" is the better word) Tipp in order to win this final. The reallity is that, as usual, this is not a one way street and cynical play doesn't stop at the border at Aughnacloy. Fuzz is correct, had that tackle been McShane on O'Brien then there would be men in the streets with pitch forks making their way up North. There is no balance when it comes to these issues in the media or on here (though, I realise a fair majority of those on here are on the wind up which is fair enough and I enjoy that) but some of the comments over the past 24 hours have been utterly ridiculous. Of course we aren't going to analyse every incident but we can't exaggerate incidents on one side of the argument and ignore everything that happens on the other.
I think that's true, and I think there is a lot of focus on Tyrone. Whether that is fair or not is moot, but it certainly seems that they have a bad name now. I think I've been fairly fair to Tyrone over the years, and I think they are very good at closing a game out, but I don't think they are any more cynical than Kerry, Donegal, Dublin or anyone else would be in similar circumstances. In the general flow of a game, there may be a bit more mouthing from Tyrone lads, that does seem to be a consensus among players I've spoken to, but it's not confined to the Red Hands by any means.
Tipperary are hurting, no doubt about it, and they seem to have said and done a couple of things after the game that they will regret I am sure. They so much want to be up there and challenging that defeats like this hurt a lot, and will spur them on in the future, but if some of the things reported are true then I'd be a bit disappointed and surprised.
As regards the stamp, if it was deliberate, and I agree it looks bad, then it should have been a red card, end of story. I do wonder about focusing on it as it seems a classic whataboutery tactic, but I see where ye are coming from.
I have enough said now on this, so I'll just sign off with well done Tyrone, worthy champions, and Tipp will be back and a bit wiser all around the next time.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
Just thought I'd check back here to see if any Tyrone people had decided to speak against the cynical play which is clearly rife at all levels in their teams.
It seems the end justifies the means for them though which is a bit disheartening to see, although not unexpected. It's a pity because the good footballers in Tyrone are being overshadowed by this blight on the game.
My advice Stallion, whatever you do, don't watch Donegal v Tyrone in a few weeks. I'd be afraid that the pure, footballing philosophy based on goodwill and sportsmanship that you are used to seeing on the football fields of Derry will not prepare you for the abomination that is about unfold. I can only imagine you weeping gentlely into your whiskey as you bemoan the death of the game. Stick to Derry club football if you want to see proper gentlemen at work playing the game with gay abandon, only to entertain, where the result is secondary to enjoyment and fair play to all. The county scene only holds disappointment for you at the minute and for the foreseeable future. Best of luck for the season ahead, let's hope Derrys philosophy of pure football (as displayed v Dublin a few weeks ago) catches on, for the good of us all.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 08:24:23 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
Just thought I'd check back here to see if any Tyrone people had decided to speak against the cynical play which is clearly rife at all levels in their teams.
It seems the end justifies the means for them though which is a bit disheartening to see, although not unexpected. It's a pity because the good footballers in Tyrone are being overshadowed by this blight on the game.
My advice Stallion, whatever you do, don't watch Donegal v Tyrone in a few weeks. I'd be afraid that the pure, footballing philosophy based on goodwill and sportsmanship that you are used to seeing on the football fields of Derry will not prepare you for the abomination that is about unfold. I can only imagine you weeping gentlely into your whiskey as you bemoan the death of the game. Stick to Derry club football if you want to see proper gentlemen at work playing the game with gay abandon, only to entertain, where the result is secondary to enjoyment and fair play to all. The county scene only holds disappointment for you at the minute and for the foreseeable future. Best of luck for the season ahead, let's hope Derrys philosophy of pure football (as displayed v Dublin a few weeks ago) catches on, for the good of us all.
Benny you missed your calling son. You'd have been great in the Nazi propaganda machine. Tyrone fans are fooling themselves if they think this crop are going to emulate the class of 2001. There is a vast difference in senior football in 01 and 15. Yes you may point to the run Donegal u21s had. Difference being they had Michael Murphy and an already established core of quality senior players.
I am under no illusion about the awful tactics employed by Derry at the minute, and I freely accept that club football in the county is full of cynical play.
However I don't attempt to deny, make excuses for, or in the case of many people here, actually celebrate, the goading, violence and assorted forms of cheating which pervade the game today.
I have no axe to grind with Tyrone, they have had some wonderful footballers in the last 15 years and were the best footballing side in the country for a few years in the last decade.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2015, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 08:24:23 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
Just thought I'd check back here to see if any Tyrone people had decided to speak against the cynical play which is clearly rife at all levels in their teams.
It seems the end justifies the means for them though which is a bit disheartening to see, although not unexpected. It's a pity because the good footballers in Tyrone are being overshadowed by this blight on the game.
My advice Stallion, whatever you do, don't watch Donegal v Tyrone in a few weeks. I'd be afraid that the pure, footballing philosophy based on goodwill and sportsmanship that you are used to seeing on the football fields of Derry will not prepare you for the abomination that is about unfold. I can only imagine you weeping gentlely into your whiskey as you bemoan the death of the game. Stick to Derry club football if you want to see proper gentlemen at work playing the game with gay abandon, only to entertain, where the result is secondary to enjoyment and fair play to all. The county scene only holds disappointment for you at the minute and for the foreseeable future. Best of luck for the season ahead, let's hope Derrys philosophy of pure football (as displayed v Dublin a few weeks ago) catches on, for the good of us all.
Benny you missed your calling son. You'd have been great in the Nazi propaganda machine. Tyrone fans are fooling themselves if they think this crop are going to emulate the class of 2001. There is a vast difference in senior football in 01 and 15. Yes you may point to the run Donegal u21s had. Difference being they had Michael Murphy and an already established core of quality senior players.
Who said this team would emulate the 2001 squad? But since you brought it up, I'm not expecting 3 senior All Ireland's from this squad - 2 will do! :D But it surely can't do player development any harm by winning an AI at U21 level?
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
Just thought I'd check back here to see if any Tyrone people had decided to speak against the cynical play which is clearly rife at all levels in their teams.
It seems the end justifies the means for them though which is a bit disheartening to see, although not unexpected. It's a pity because the good footballers in Tyrone are being overshadowed by this blight on the game.
Attempt no.2 from the Derry man !
Still must try harder.
Great result for Tyrone. Exciting times ahead given the fact that the 2013 minor team was also very strong and reached the minor final that year. On the game itself, Tyrone seemed to be the better side but just had no luck up front with a lot of efforts that normally would go over being missed, probably due to the conditions. As has been mentioned on here a million times, the game wasn't overly dirty although the referee didn't cover himself in glory and seemed to dish out a lot of soft frees to Tipp in particular. What is frustrating is the reaction to the stamp - if it had been done by a Tyrone player there is no doubt it would have been nothing but deliberate and it would be a major talking point yet because it was done by a non-Tyrone player it 'probably wasn't intentional' as the 'lad isn't like that'. My view is that it was intentional, and McShane was targeted from the start. I am not sure what the rule is regarding the push and concession of a free etc, but 'pushing' is commonplace on the field throughout every game when teams win a free and players hold onto the ball etc, I don't see a big fuss made about those incidents on a game per game basis. Not much mention of the Tipp number 11 punching either immediately after the push, should have been a straight red too.
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-feargal-logan-denied-entry-to-tipperary-dressingroom-over-cynicism-31192733.htm (http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-feargal-logan-denied-entry-to-tipperary-dressingroom-over-cynicism-31192733.htm)
QuoteTipp's inference of cynicism wasn't backed up with any imbalance in the free count, 21 each, with Tyrone only 'catching up' in the closing 10 minutes as they ruthlessly battened down the hatches to protect their lead.
As you are beginning to come around a bit to see things our way. You said.
I think that's true, and I think there is a lot of focus on Tyrone. Whether that is fair or not is moot, but it certainly seems that they have a bad name now. I think I've been fairly fair to Tyrone over the years, and I think they are very good at closing a game out, but I don't think they are any more cynical than Kerry, Donegal, Dublin or anyone else would be in similar circumstances.
This is the point that motivated me to post the YouTube video. Tyrone seem to have become the scapegoat for a lot of the negative things in the game now and whilst we are far from angels I feel RTE pundits who have massive influences over everyone's perceptions, have given us this bad name. Spillane gave us the Puke football label whilst Spillane used to often be found back in his own full back line helping his defence. Kerry football was taken down a few pegs in the noughties as we gave them no respect so a very strong anti Tyrone feeling was born. This then spread into club matches between teams from the two counties and then went onto Joe Duffy for God sake. All one way opinion with no one telling Tyrone side of the story.
Brolly loved it all when we were beating all Southern teams but Brolly is no lover if Tyrone as we found out later. IMHO Brolly who loves to be controversial has used his public ego to bad mouth Tyrone at every opportunity. He apologised privately to Sean Cavanagh but not publicly on RTE. Damage to Sean's reputation was already done and whilst many pundits and managers all admitted they would have done the same Sean will be forever remembered for that tackle. Did the Dubs do similar tactics v Mayo in the final a few years ago? Was there the same uproar?
Did Dublin have two biting incidents in the same year?
Was that conveniently brushed under the carpet?
See my point? Tyrone do something its all over the.media and even grannies who know nothing about a game think we are monsters.
Mickey Harte and Co. decision to not talk to RTE might be well founded but it also helps the anti Tyrone propaganda mushroom.
I came back from that game proud of my county for first time in years. The biased and unfounded rubbish I read on here provoked me to say F**k this I'm not just gonna bite my tongue any more. I watched the game again yesterday and it was not an overly negative, defensive, niggly or dirty game. Of course we closed the game out in the last 5 mins. The most cynical incident I have now highlighted to show others how they are just picking on Tyrone but turning a blind eye to Tipperary.
Can those who are saying Tyrone were very cynical in this game can you list out what incidents you mean.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 03:48:23 AM
the stamp was a dirty action there is no doubt about but to be fair its part and parcel of the game as someone mentioned earlier happens 100s of times up and down the country.
The difference is in the media portrayal of it and everyone on here knows if it was the other way around the usual suspects would be flat out villanising everyone and everything Tyrone for a one piece of opportunistic foul play by one player.
The match was a good match especially so considering the conditions and Tyrone were clearly the better team and should have won by more but for some nervous/bad decision making in front of the posts.
The match was not dirty or even that cynical, the ref had a tough job in those conditions and he was poor, but equally so for both teams, players were getting frees for sliding on the surface and they knew they would get the free so they played on this, again something that happens up and down the country. Some posters say the Tipp goal wasn't a foul on the keeper....ehhh do you know the rules of the game? the keeper can't be tackled in the small rectangle, its a free out, the ref got this right at least.
The changing room incident is just bad form and as for the Tipp county board member...what a total eejit he'll probably regret it in a few weeks if he his ego allows it, I would love to ask him what he was trying to achieve by it...the worrying thing is people think that its an ok thing to do, its clearly not. Its petty, childish and pure sour grapes
Anyway the point I am trying to make is that people had their mind made up about Tyrone before this match had even started. The Rossie lads are especially feeling sore from the semi as they have a good generation of players that they felt could sweep all before them but they took Tyrone for granted in the semi who in turn were fired up and we blew them out of the water. You may feel that on another day Roscommon might have won, that's fair enough, that day they didn't but if thats how you feel its more to do with your own players than Tyrone.
So to all the haters leave off, congratulate or say nothing, let the players enjoy the win and if you want to plot their downfall... do it on the pitch and don't try and discredit this team for coming through a very tough campaign and playing some great football, a fantastic achievement.
So congrats our u21s you've done us proud and commiserations to Tipp after putting up a great display
Just had looked it up and correct you are and a correct decision it was, i did say a keeper will get it 10 out of 10 times but didnt actually know the rules.
When he is within the small rectangle, the
goalkeeper may not be charged but he may
be challenged for possession of the ball, and
his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental
contact with the goalkeeper while playing the
ball is permittedTell me this do you know what rules actually constitutes loss of a free for a team? taking a free from the wrong place is one, is there actually anything black and white that lists out the reasons? Again Ive accepted defeat and if it turns out the ball should have been thrown up at the end im not going to comeback with a reply saying we were robbed or any stuff like that just would actually like to know.
Quote from: Bensars on May 04, 2015, 09:32:30 AM
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-feargal-logan-denied-entry-to-tipperary-dressingroom-over-cynicism-31192733.htm (http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-feargal-logan-denied-entry-to-tipperary-dressingroom-over-cynicism-31192733.htm)
QuoteTipp's inference of cynicism wasn't backed up with any imbalance in the free count, 21 each, with Tyrone only 'catching up' in the closing 10 minutes as they ruthlessly battened down the hatches to protect their lead.
Everyone agrees that it bad form and will be regretted not leaving logan into the dressing room.
For me a free count doesnt equal cynicism, you can just have bad or miss timed tackles, if one team posses the ball more than the other you would expect them to get more frees.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 04, 2015, 12:31:52 AM
I think all the L counties don't mind us too much O'Neill.
I'm hoping for a defeat in two weeks time and then trips to Longford, Louth, London, Leitrim, Limerick and maybe even Londonderry.
Sorry lads only messing as trying to calm down from earlier. Don't rise to the bait. Speaking of Derry where is Mr Tickle and his Armagh friends?
I would love a weekend in London though. Have they any Tyrone lads playing for them?
Thought Mark Bradley looked sharp yesterday and hope to see him and McShane a lot more this summer. Also was impressed by some of those defenders. Their work ethic is amazing.
Congrats tyrone
Tipp just didn't have the tradition or know how to win the big game
Hard luck to them
Fuzz - for the above transgression I will re-enact the tipp cynical kick-stamp on you and show you how it should be done next night out for a pint as per my email.
Unlike the tipp lad who took the opportunity when it presented itself, he didn't have a degree or exp in the dark arts!
Players and teams play on the edge to win and winners will play in or over that edge. It didn't work out for tipp but that's football. Well done red arses!
Would love to see Derry play with the cynicism that Dublin donegal mayo Kerry play with- instead of one off defensive games v Dublin!
A lot of Tyrone supporters appear to have serious issues with others perception of them, their conduct and their tactics. When you adopt a 'do whatever it takes' mentality and put the bigger emphasis on defence then the very most you can expect is to be admired, but you will never be universally loved. Similar to Mayweather and Chelsea it is only really their own supporters who will take any joy in their success.
It's the cowardly behaviour such as goading, gouging, kneeling on, nipping, feigning injury, diving etc which many Tyrone players have routinely engaged in over the last 15 years that understandably leaves a sour taste in the mouths of many observers.
Some great footballers over that time of course, but unfortunately even some of them will be remembered more for the cynical cheating they undertook than their great performances.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 04, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
A lot of Tyrone supporters appear to have serious issues with others perception of them, their conduct and their tactics. When you adopt a 'do whatever it takes' mentality and put the bigger emphasis on defence then the very most you can expect is to be admired, but you will never be universally loved. Similar to Mayweather and Chelsea it is only really their own supporters who will take any joy in their success.
Not really, it's the complete blindness of the media when others conduct themselves in the same way that irks slightly and means we feel like we need to put our point of view forward. Make no mistake, the comments on here and the blinkered perception of others makes any Tyrone success that little bit more enjoyable. I do however, welcome the comparison to Floyd Mayweather and Chelsea - serial winners!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 04, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
A lot of Tyrone supporters appear to have serious issues with others perception of them, their conduct and their tactics. When you adopt a 'do whatever it takes' mentality and put the bigger emphasis on defence then the very most you can expect is to be admired, but you will never be universally loved. Similar to Mayweather and Chelsea it is only really their own supporters who will take any joy in their success.
Not really, it's the complete blindness of the media when others conduct themselves in the same that irks slightly and means we feel like we need to put our point of view forward. Make no mistake, the comments on here and the blinkered perception of others makes any Tyrone success that little bit more enjoyable. I do however, welcome the comparison to Floyd Mayweather and Chelsea - serial winners! Who is your county similar too? Frank Bruno?
I still don't see anything wrong in how Tyrone played, maybe it's playing on a serial winning team does that to you!!! The stamp was a clear stamp and a clear sending off. It was the singular most cynical event of the game. The foul on the keeper was a clear foul but the ref probably should have hopped the ball after the incident involving the guy getting sent off. There was very little between the 2 teams and Tyrone used their knowledge of how to win big games to close it out. The Tipp manager should show a bit of decorum in defeat. A sore loser is very hard to stomach, suck it up and use it as motivation to drive lads on at a later stage. Fergal Logan is a gentleman and I have known him for many years. He lashed out a bit after the semi but that was at the Press and rightly so I think.
Remember too lads I hate Tyrone with a passion and would be happy to see them beaten every single game and humiliated as much as possible but I don't see any issue in the way this game was won and really there needs to be a little less sucking of sour grapes.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 04, 2015, 11:30:20 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 04, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
A lot of Tyrone supporters appear to have serious issues with others perception of them, their conduct and their tactics. When you adopt a 'do whatever it takes' mentality and put the bigger emphasis on defence then the very most you can expect is to be admired, but you will never be universally loved. Similar to Mayweather and Chelsea it is only really their own supporters who will take any joy in their success.
Not really, it's the complete blindness of the media when others conduct themselves in the same that irks slightly and means we feel like we need to put our point of view forward. Make no mistake, the comments on here and the blinkered perception of others makes any Tyrone success that little bit more enjoyable. I do however, welcome the comparison to Floyd Mayweather and Chelsea - serial winners! Who is your county similar too? Frank Bruno?
I still don't see anything wrong in how Tyrone played, maybe it's playing on a serial winning team does that to you!!! The stamp was a clear stamp and a clear sending off. It was the singular most cynical event of the game. The foul on the keeper was a clear foul but the ref probably should have hopped the ball after the incident involving the guy getting sent off. There was very little between the 2 teams and Tyrone used their knowledge of how to win big games to close it out. The Tipp manager should show a bit of decorum in defeat. A sore loser is very hard to stomach, suck it up and use it as motivation to drive lads on at a later stage. Fergal Logan is a gentleman and I have known him for many years. He lashed out a bit after the semi but that was at the Press and rightly so I think.
Remember too lads I hate Tyrone with a passion and would be happy to see them beaten every single game and humiliated as much as possible but I don't see any issue in the way this game was won and really there needs to be a little less sucking of sour grapes.
Fair comment bc1 on all aspects.
Soft south Armagh fcuker.
It seems some Tyrone posters are getting very sensitive and are using the 'stamp' incident as deflection. You won so shouldn't care too much. For me the stamp, just like the 'knee' incident, could have been red. Both may or may not have been deliberate so whatever the referee decided should be accepted. Move on. As for the Tyrone manager not being allowed into the changing room. Who cares! The Tipperary team had just suffered an agonising defeat. Sometimes emotions make for silly decisions.
Still feel it is a pity we did not see both teams play on a good day.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 09:06:04 AM
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Just thought I'd check back here to see if any Tyrone people had decided to speak against the cynical play which is clearly rife at all levels in their teams.
It seems the end justifies the means for them though which is a bit disheartening to see, although not unexpected. It's a pity because the good footballers in Tyrone are being overshadowed by this blight on the game.
My advice Stallion, whatever you do, don't watch Donegal v Tyrone in a few weeks. I'd be afraid that the pure, footballing philosophy based on goodwill and sportsmanship that you are used to seeing on the football fields of Derry will not prepare you for the abomination that is about unfold. I can only imagine you weeping gentlely into your whiskey as you bemoan the death of the game. Stick to Derry club football if you want to see proper gentlemen at work playing the game with gay abandon, only to entertain, where the result is secondary to enjoyment and fair play to all. The county scene only holds disappointment for you at the minute and for the foreseeable future. Best of luck for the season ahead, let's hope Derrys philosophy of pure football (as displayed v Dublin a few weeks ago) catches on, for the good of us all.
Benny you missed your calling son. You'd have been great in the Nazi propaganda machine. Tyrone fans are fooling themselves if they think this crop are going to emulate the class of 2001. There is a vast difference in senior football in 01 and 15. Yes you may point to the run Donegal u21s had. Difference being they had Michael Murphy and an already established core of quality senior players.
Who said this team would emulate the 2001 squad? But since you brought it up, I'm not expecting 3 senior All Ireland's from this squad - 2 will do! :D But it surely can't do player development any harm by winning an AI at U21 level?
Recent success at u21 level has got Cavan nowhere and sure look at Galway. The correlation just isn't there as it was in the past. Ah well Peter the great will now replace Saint Mickey which can only be a good thing ::)
Cavan didn't have an established spine to the Senior team. A lot of the older members were let go of the panel and started from scrath with the younger players from the u21s, they don't develop into a serious force at Senior level just like that.
, whereas Donegal when they won in Ulster u21 in 2010 had already, Gallagher, lacey, Rory Kavanagh etc. Not a great comparison
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2015, 01:10:24 PM
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2015, 08:45:48 AM
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Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
Just thought I'd check back here to see if any Tyrone people had decided to speak against the cynical play which is clearly rife at all levels in their teams.
It seems the end justifies the means for them though which is a bit disheartening to see, although not unexpected. It's a pity because the good footballers in Tyrone are being overshadowed by this blight on the game.
My advice Stallion, whatever you do, don't watch Donegal v Tyrone in a few weeks. I'd be afraid that the pure, footballing philosophy based on goodwill and sportsmanship that you are used to seeing on the football fields of Derry will not prepare you for the abomination that is about unfold. I can only imagine you weeping gentlely into your whiskey as you bemoan the death of the game. Stick to Derry club football if you want to see proper gentlemen at work playing the game with gay abandon, only to entertain, where the result is secondary to enjoyment and fair play to all. The county scene only holds disappointment for you at the minute and for the foreseeable future. Best of luck for the season ahead, let's hope Derrys philosophy of pure football (as displayed v Dublin a few weeks ago) catches on, for the good of us all.
Benny you missed your calling son. You'd have been great in the Nazi propaganda machine. Tyrone fans are fooling themselves if they think this crop are going to emulate the class of 2001. There is a vast difference in senior football in 01 and 15. Yes you may point to the run Donegal u21s had. Difference being they had Michael Murphy and an already established core of quality senior players.
Who said this team would emulate the 2001 squad? But since you brought it up, I'm not expecting 3 senior All Ireland's from this squad - 2 will do! :D But it surely can't do player development any harm by winning an AI at U21 level?
Recent success at u21 level has got Cavan nowhere and sure look at Galway.
Bit early to be saying that to be honest. Most of those players are still relatively new to senior football. If they do nothing 5 years down the line they you may have a point.
As for getting excited about u21 breaking through to senior success I give you Armagh 2004 AI winning u21s supplementing an AI winning senior team. Limited return on it. Huge jump up in terms of physicality etc and there will still be a lot of work to do
That's my point and no disrespect to the Cavan and Galway men here. This Tyrone crop will have their work cut out big time. They are coming into a senior panel that just just doesn't have the quality. Much like Cavan and Galway. As I said in the earlier post Donegal had McGee x 2, Lacey, Gallagher, Kavanagh, McFadden.
As a Tipp man at the game I thought Tyrone just about shaded it. They learnt from first half mistakes when they took a lot of wrong options with a lot of speculative shots. They drove through the middle in the second half and took their chances that came from this well. I did think the antics in the last 5 minutes weren't needed. I obversed 16 players on the pitch, overplaying of injuries, goalie with cramp (a first in all my years watching many sports) and the goalies tee being thrown 20 yards to one side. Like I said marginally the better side, didn't need to do it but perhaps that's the way the game has gone. I suspect it isn't unique to Tyrone or Gaelic football. I was reading about one of the Irish rugby players from the recent past who was one of the go to guys to feign an injury at the scrum for whatever reason. That was ok though as he was one of ours...
It was a great game - very tense and some great scores given the conditions.
As a Tyrone fan, it's easy to get into the siege mentality and see it as everyone is out to get us but at the end of the day, Tyrone used every single bit of experience that they had on the sideline to win that game - Logan wasn't a dirty footballer at all and the notion that Tyrone coach that style of football is flattering in so far as it suggests there is a strategy at all.
But there isn't. Plan and simple.
The academy set up may well change that, but until then...
Tipperary probably lack the experience at that level and for their management team to berate Tyrone for their tactics and to close the door on Logan shows that they too lacked experience of dealing with defeat at that level - esp having beaten Cork and Dublin on the way through.
I have seen coaching at every level in tyrone. seen it in Armagh and Antrim too. In club football, say in Derry for example, or Armagh, teams like Balinderry and Slaughtneil or Crossmaglen, do whatever it takes to bring success at senior level.
listening to guys like brolly in the media would lead you to believe that a winning mentality is wrong? Really?
If it is them lets have 2 competitions running in tandem - one called the All-Ireland and the other called "take it easy now lads, its only a game..."
Tyrone have been ridiculed and slagged to fcuk in the media this last 2 years with out the thought that maybe, just maybe, there are other teams doing the same....you ever see the picture of Stephen o'neills shirt in the 2010 Cork game? I can remember Plunkett Donaghey getting fucked over by Brian mullins in front of the ref..(just can't remember the year..maybe 1982 or 84?
It has been happening for years and not just by tyrone - its called football lads....Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Donegal, and Cork...and others all want to win...and its not so much as "win at all costs" but "win with the team you have"
I wish Tipp all the best and genuinely hope that they can keep that team together and learn from the game on Saturday - and drive on to better things...1995 did that for Tyrone....
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either. The fact is you were good enough to win the AI playing quality counter-attacking football without any of the extras. Then you could have rightly ignored the criticism.
I was as happy as anyone when Tyrone won their AIs - it was great to see a county breaking through. But when you see the open play and honesty that typified underage football at the highest levels being replaced with dangerous play and professional cynicism it's depressing. The sad part is that Tyrone's victory this year will encourage managers who are creatively bankrupt to try much the same tactics but without the football skill of this Tyrone team. That's not going to be pretty for anyone.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
some laugh tipp manager complaining about cynical tactics obviously he has not watched tipp hurling teams of bygone years who knew how to intimidate opponents john doyle holder of 9 all ireland senior medals i think was no angel but when beaten they took it on the chin unlike his whingers sat night , best team won on the night
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
That's my point and no disrespect to the Cavan and Galway men here. This Tyrone crop will have their work cut out big time. They are coming into a senior panel that just just doesn't have the quality. Much like Cavan and Galway. As I said in the earlier post Donegal had McGee x 2, Lacey, Gallagher, Kavanagh, McFadden.
Just out of interest, apart from my obviously sarcastic response to a previous post about winning 2 AIs. Can you clarify which Tyrone posters are confidently claiming that senior success will follow this victory? It does however raise the optimism levels a bit after a few very dull years - but that is all. Perhaps we could go down the Derry route of no evidence of underage success at all and no optimism - how's that worked out for you the past few years? I'm sure you Derry wans would be quite happy with an U21 AI!
I think it far more likely that the dark arts are being encouraged by the likes of Dooher and Canavan who were well known to engage and employ these tactics themselves as players. Logan as others have rightly pointed out is a well respected figure and that is probably why he has been appointed manager with the other 2 in the background. It will be very interesting to see the dynamic when they step up to take the senior team next year. Will Logan take the helm at senior level or will Canavan jump directly into the managers seat?
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Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 03:48:23 AM
So to all the haters leave off, congratulate or say nothing, let the players enjoy the win and if you want to plot their downfall... do it on the pitch and don't try and discredit this team for coming through a very tough campaign and playing some great football, a fantastic achievement.
So congrats our u21s you've done us proud and commiserations to Tipp after putting up a great display
Congrats Tipp on trying to play against the dark artists, it was always an up hill dask.
Hopefully Donegal will hammer them in a couple weeks before they exist the championship with a whimper in the qualifiers and that will be the end of the cynical, off the ball and dirty tactics for another year
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 03:48:23 AM
So to all the haters leave off, congratulate or say nothing, let the players enjoy the win and if you want to plot their downfall... do it on the pitch and don't try and discredit this team for coming through a very tough campaign and playing some great football, a fantastic achievement.
So congrats our u21s you've done us proud and commiserations to Tipp after putting up a great display
Congrats Tipp on trying to play against the dark artists, it was always an up hill dask.
Hopefully Donegal will hammer them in a couple weeks before they exist the championship with a whimper in the qualifiers and that will be the end of the cynical, off the ball and dirty tactics for another year
All hail Donegal! The saviours from cynical football. This post highlights the lunacy of public perception at the minute! Donegal will save us from cynical football? Give me strength! :o
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.
my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year
Quote from: yellowcard on May 04, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
I think it far more likely that the dark arts are being encouraged by the likes of Dooher and Canavan who were well known to engage and employ these tactics themselves as players. Logan as others have rightly pointed out is a well respected figure and that is probably why he has been appointed manager with the other 2 in the background. It will be very interesting to see the dynamic when they step up to take the senior team next year. Will Logan take the helm at senior level or will Canavan jump directly into the managers seat?
you are so wrong about Canavan - have you ever seen the treatment doled out to him? he has had to stand up fro himself over the years and compensate his lack of height with core strength and guile...not dirty..Dirty = Tommy Dowd.
People are at a seriously naive level to believe that Tyrone actually coach this shit....any strategy....for that matter?
I think Logan will have to take serious look at the impact of the time taken against running a very successful business. Doha is a class act but may struggle unless they can design a jersey with subtitles...Canavan might not want to jump into mickeys grave so soon...and who said that Mickey is for leaving????? :)
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 04, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
I think it far more likely that the dark arts are being encouraged by the likes of Dooher and Canavan who were well known to engage and employ these tactics themselves as players. Logan as others have rightly pointed out is a well respected figure and that is probably why he has been appointed manager with the other 2 in the background. It will be very interesting to see the dynamic when they step up to take the senior team next year. Will Logan take the helm at senior level or will Canavan jump directly into the managers seat?
you are so wrong about Canavan - have you ever seen the treatment doled out to him? he has had to stand up fro himself over the years and compensate his lack of height with core strength and guile...not dirty..Dirty = Tommy Dowd.
People are at a seriously naive level to believe that Tyrone actually coach this shit....any strategy....for that matter?
I think Logan will have to take serious look at the impact of the time taken against running a very successful business. Doha is a class act but may struggle unless they can design a jersey with subtitles...Canavan might not want to jump into mickeys grave so soon...and who said that Mickey is for leaving????? :)
Thats what makes it all the more disappointing with Canavan, that he was such a highly skilled footballer, yet he is a total pragmatist at the same time. I remember him pulling down a Kerry man in injury time of the 2005 AI final with a rugby tackle, cynicism at its finest. I also seem to remember him having an altercation in a shower in a Tyrone club match so don't pretend he was always the one sinned against. Even at managerial level his football style with Fermanagh was symptomatic of a modern game plan where possession is king and the number one priority was a sound defensive system. Dooher I know less about at managerial level but from what I've seen first hand, he gets too involved sledging opposition players and management.
Nobody said Harte is definitely gone but his term is up this year and unless they win an Ulster or get to an AI final I can't see him having the will to continue and it just may be that it is the end of the road for him at this level.
Not sure what the bit about Dooher and subtitles means???
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
That's my point and no disrespect to the Cavan and Galway men here. This Tyrone crop will have their work cut out big time. They are coming into a senior panel that just just doesn't have the quality. Much like Cavan and Galway. As I said in the earlier post Donegal had McGee x 2, Lacey, Gallagher, Kavanagh, McFadden.
Of course they have their work cut out, just like any other team that was fed with a successful core of All Ireland u-21's. But from a Tyrone fans perspective, its about producing talent and winning talent, and producing another successful underage team (on top of the 2008 and 2010 AI Minor winning teams and the unlucky 2013 Minor runners up) makes the future look more positive. This management team have done a great job and I for one would like to see them step up a level in 2017 as they seem to be able to drill the team to play to the demands required for modern day success.
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either. The fact is you were good enough to win the AI playing quality counter-attacking football without any of the extras. Then you could have rightly ignored the criticism.
I was as happy as anyone when Tyrone won their AIs - it was great to see a county breaking through. But when you see the open play and honesty that typified underage football at the highest levels being replaced with dangerous play and professional cynicism it's depressing. The sad part is that Tyrone's victory this year will encourage managers who are creatively bankrupt to try much the same tactics but without the football skill of this Tyrone team. That's not going to be pretty for anyone.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
Syferus, you really are a sore loser. Could you tell me of an example in the final from Saturday of where a Tyrone man endangered a Tipperary players health? The two major incidents I recall seeing that could have inflicted serious injury were the stamp and the punch which were both from Tipperary players? Did you not see either incident? If you think that Tyrone and Donegal are the only teams that have their teams trying to win at all costs you are a bit naive. The top teams in the country all have that ingrained into their minds, maybe the Roscommon coaches share similar views to yourself going by the lack of success nationally your teams have had of late.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 04, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:35:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 04, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
I think it far more likely that the dark arts are being encouraged by the likes of Dooher and Canavan who were well known to engage and employ these tactics themselves as players. Logan as others have rightly pointed out is a well respected figure and that is probably why he has been appointed manager with the other 2 in the background. It will be very interesting to see the dynamic when they step up to take the senior team next year. Will Logan take the helm at senior level or will Canavan jump directly into the managers seat?
you are so wrong about Canavan - have you ever seen the treatment doled out to him? he has had to stand up fro himself over the years and compensate his lack of height with core strength and guile...not dirty..Dirty = Tommy Dowd.
People are at a seriously naive level to believe that Tyrone actually coach this shit....any strategy....for that matter?
I think Logan will have to take serious look at the impact of the time taken against running a very successful business. Doha is a class act but may struggle unless they can design a jersey with subtitles...Canavan might not want to jump into mickeys grave so soon...and who said that Mickey is for leaving????? :)
Thats what makes it all the more disappointing with Canavan, that he was such a highly skilled footballer, yet he is a total pragmatist at the same time. I remember him pulling down a Kerry man in injury time of the 2005 AI final with a rugby tackle, cynicism at its finest. I also seem to remember him having an altercation in a shower in a Tyrone club match so don't pretend he was always the one sinned against. Even at managerial level his football style with Fermanagh was symptomatic of a modern game plan where possession is king and the number one priority was a sound defensive system. Dooher I know less about at managerial level but from what I've seen first hand, he gets too involved sledging opposition players and management.
Nobody said Harte is definitely gone but his term is up this year and unless they win an Ulster or get to an AI final I can't see him having the will to continue and it just may be that it is the end of the road for him at this level.
I dont have a narrowcast view on canavan - or tyrone for that matter...id like to think that Im open-minded on the game, tactics and other teams. There is a distorted view about Tyrone based simply on what a few pundits say and a complete lack of self-awareness when it comes to your own teams...a stranger to the sport, reading these threads would believe that Tyrone are the only team to HAVE ever sledged, tackled late or loose, or pulled men down....take the blinkers off....i dont think we are whiter than white but we have been sinned against as much as anyone else and sin as often as most others.....i just dont believe everything i hear in the media
QuoteCathal McShane's 49th minute goal is ultimately what separated these counties in a gripping All-Ireland under-21 football final. It's Tyrone's first national title at this grade since 2001. That group ended up populating Mickey Harte's senior panel as a golden era flowed.
Maybe it's brewing again.
Unfortunately, Tyrone's success is once again coupled with criticism of their on-field demeanour. In the ugly aftermath, both managers sought to avoid a war of words but the vast philosophical gulf in their approach to Gaelic football was all too evident.
"Maybe we need to get a small bit more cynical," said Tipperary manager Tommy Toomey. "There's a lot of stuff going on in these games and Tipperary have to learn and I think we will."
Do you think Tyrone were cynical? "Look, it's just part of the game at the moment. Tackling off the ball, the rules are there to tidy this up. If they are not working, what can you do?"
Whilst Toomey was speaking, Tyrone manager Fergal Logan was blocked, by Tipperary officials, from entering the losing dressing room to offer his commiserations. A fuming Logan requested a moment to calm down.
"We went out to play the game in the right manner," an unaware Toomey continued. "Tyrone went out to play the game their way. I'm afraid Tyrone beat us tonight and are deserved champions, they are leading on the scoreboard at the end of the game, that's it."
The repetitive fouling of Tipp's brilliant midfielder Colin O'Riordan is mentioned.
"That's what I'm talking about," Toomey continued. "We know how they play the game, how they play against referees and that's how they win.
"We knew what we were coming into. We had the boys well versed what to expect verbally. I give great credit to Tyrone for the way they play football. I don't think they should be going at that stuff. I think they are better at playing football. That was a very good game, if you take all those bits and pieces out of it."
"A heartbreaking finish for Tipperary, I understand that heart break," he said, immediately remembering the 1995 All-Ireland final defeat to Dublin. "I've spoken to a couple of their officials there and was not allowed in their dressing room. I think it's gone a bit extreme. It's pretty raw at the moment but I hope relations between Tipperary and Tyrone football don't get to that pitch where we have guys putting people out of dressing rooms.
"But I can promise you this: I've told our men never to sledge or talk to people, not to conduct themselves cynically.
"There were boys buying frees on both teams. I'm just disappointed that would happen there in the GAA world.
"I don't want to make a major fuss," Logan stressed. "I thought it was a sporting game of football but maybe not, maybe others see it different."
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 04, 2015, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 03:48:23 AM
So to all the haters leave off, congratulate or say nothing, let the players enjoy the win and if you want to plot their downfall... do it on the pitch and don't try and discredit this team for coming through a very tough campaign and playing some great football, a fantastic achievement.
So congrats our u21s you've done us proud and commiserations to Tipp after putting up a great display
Congrats Tipp on trying to play against the dark artists, it was always an up hill dask.
Hopefully Donegal will hammer them in a couple weeks before they exist the championship with a whimper in the qualifiers and that will be the end of the cynical, off the ball and dirty tactics for another year
At this precise moment I am attempting to get a tune out of the world's smallest violin ... eejit
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.
my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year
Absolute horsehit. Tyrone have made tyrone unpopular.
Whether it was kneeing opponents in the back, sourcing opponents girlsfriends numbers and reciting them over and over to their opponents during matches, spitting, gouging- I'm struggling to think of the last time Martin Breheny did that.
Could you point one out please.
Tyrone have a rap sheet because they created it- nobody else
Phyical element probaly comes from club football in Tyrone, been a few incidents over the years. Other Counties too, but maybe more so in Tyrone?
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2F2011%2F0419%2Fmcmahonj.html&ei=WYVHVafCLvKP7AbD3YHwDg&usg=AFQjCNFnCp2nVDMgT6KL8nhp_YJFfQ9hUQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.ZGU
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE4QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joe.ie%2Funcategorized%2Ftyrone-gaa-reacts-to-umbrella-brawl-with-nine-years-of-bans%2F29699&ei=W4ZHVcm_LMSE7gaJ6YCADw&usg=AFQjCNHTpSVjgt7Xjufb8oMAdT8yq-_XQw
Tyrone haven't started a free for all while getting behind the band yet, maybe that's the next move. Well as long as the best players don't get their hand broken.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 04, 2015, 03:53:07 PM
Phyical element probaly comes from club football in Tyrone, been a few incidents over the years. Other Counties too, but maybe more so in Tyrone?
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2F2011%2F0419%2Fmcmahonj.html&ei=WYVHVafCLvKP7AbD3YHwDg&usg=AFQjCNFnCp2nVDMgT6KL8nhp_YJFfQ9hUQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.ZGU
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE4QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joe.ie%2Funcategorized%2Ftyrone-gaa-reacts-to-umbrella-brawl-with-nine-years-of-bans%2F29699&ei=W4ZHVcm_LMSE7gaJ6YCADw&usg=AFQjCNHTpSVjgt7Xjufb8oMAdT8yq-_XQw
I assume you have evidence to suggest this happens more so in Tyrone? I played club football in Tyrone for many years and can count on one hand the amount of unsavoury incidents I encountered!
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.
my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year
Absolute horsehit. Tyrone have made tyrone unpopular.
Whether it was kneeing opponents in the back, sourcing opponents girlsfriends numbers and reciting them over and over to their opponents during matches, spitting, gouging- I'm struggling to think of the last time Martin Breheny did that.
Could you point one out please.
Tyrone have a rap sheet because they created it- nobody else
Really?
Stephen O'Neill v Cork in Anthony Lynch in 2009
Peter Harte v Mayo 2013
Dooher, Canavan, mcBride v Meath 1996
McKeever v cavanagh 2014
you ask any of the 1993-94 Down team and they will tell you that Derry were a dirty shower...but given that there were only 1-2 cameras, the stuff stayed well hidden...its not a new thing and its not a tyrone thing
You have a myopic view of Tyrone - Im not saying we are saints but the media have unquestionably exacerbated the situation, lead by Brolly, Cummiskey et al
in 2005 or 2006 Paul galvin hit Kieran mcgeeny 3 times in 20 minutes - all illegal....Cavan, Donegal, Cork...f**k sake...every team have their moments...it is what it is....
hardly the fault of u21s or the assumption that the managers have systematically coached players from an early age? Sure thing joe brolly...
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 04, 2015, 03:53:07 PM
Phyical element probaly comes from club football in Tyrone, been a few incidents over the years. Other Counties too, but maybe more so in Tyrone?
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2F2011%2F0419%2Fmcmahonj.html&ei=WYVHVafCLvKP7AbD3YHwDg&usg=AFQjCNFnCp2nVDMgT6KL8nhp_YJFfQ9hUQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.ZGU
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE4QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joe.ie%2Funcategorized%2Ftyrone-gaa-reacts-to-umbrella-brawl-with-nine-years-of-bans%2F29699&ei=W4ZHVcm_LMSE7gaJ6YCADw&usg=AFQjCNHTpSVjgt7Xjufb8oMAdT8yq-_XQw
Ah here, is that the best you can do, given our reputation I was expecting at least a dozen examples, not a measly two! :P
There were two potential red cards in that U21 final (which would have materialised if tbe ref had been keeping up with the play), neither of which involved a Tír Eoghain player, not that tbe like of Gavin Cummiskey would ever remark on such uncomfortable facts. A vast philosophical difference indeed.
I'm truly in awe of all the other counties and the angels they do have playing for them, we really aren't worthy, verily.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/kerry-club-in-dock-1.1308519
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/crimes-and-misdemeanours-the-gaa-s-disciplinary-fallout-from-violence-to-verbals-the-story-so-far-1.291059
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 04, 2015, 03:53:07 PM
Phyical element probaly comes from club football in Tyrone, been a few incidents over the years. Other Counties too, but maybe more so in Tyrone?
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2F2011%2F0419%2Fmcmahonj.html&ei=WYVHVafCLvKP7AbD3YHwDg&usg=AFQjCNFnCp2nVDMgT6KL8nhp_YJFfQ9hUQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.ZGU
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE4QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joe.ie%2Funcategorized%2Ftyrone-gaa-reacts-to-umbrella-brawl-with-nine-years-of-bans%2F29699&ei=W4ZHVcm_LMSE7gaJ6YCADw&usg=AFQjCNHTpSVjgt7Xjufb8oMAdT8yq-_XQw
Ah here, is that the best you can do, given our reputation I was expecting at least a dozen examples, not a measly two! :P
There were two potential red cards in that U21 final (which would have materialised if tbe ref had been keeping up with the play), neither of which involved a Tír Eoghain player, not that tbe like of Gavin Cummiskey would ever remark on such uncomfortable facts. A vast philosophical difference indeed.
I'm truly in awe of all the other counties and the angels they do have playing for them, we really aren't worthy, verily.
+1
Was talking to a former Tyrone county player there earlier, and credit to him, he said he was ashamed of the antics Tyrone players are involved in these days. He went as far as to say he couldn't take any pleasure in watching them win some games due to their cheating and unsporting play.
Good to hear.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
Was talking to a former Tyrone county player there earlier, and credit to him, he said he was ashamed of the antics Tyrone players are involved in these days. He went as far as to say he couldn't take any pleasure in watching them win some games due to their cheating and unsporting play.
Good to hear.
Joe?
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
Was talking to a former Tyrone county player there earlier, and credit to him, he said he was ashamed of the antics Tyrone players are involved in these days. He went as far as to say he couldn't take any pleasure in watching them win some games due to their cheating and unsporting play.
Good to hear.
I was talking to a former Derry county player and he said he couldn't believe the stick Tyrone were getting and was embarrassed by Derry wans coming onto sites like this and giving off about it. He went as far as to say that it made all Derry folk look like sheep without any views of their own.
Good to hear.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
Was talking to a former Tyrone county player there earlier, and credit to him, he said he was ashamed of the antics Tyrone players are involved in these days. He went as far as to say he couldn't take any pleasure in watching them win some games due to their cheating and unsporting play.
Good to hear.
Proper order! Garvaghey's being transformed to a sackcloth, ashes, hair shirt and stocks depot as we speak, and not a minute too soon I tell you!
I was talking to a former Derry county player and he said he couldn't believe the stick Tyrone were getting and was embarrassed by Derry wans coming onto sites like this and giving off about it. He went as far as to say that it made all Derry folk look like sheep without any views of their own.
Hard to listen to
QuoteWas talking to a former Tyrone county player there earlier, and credit to him, he said he was ashamed of the antics Tyrone players are involved in these days. He went as far as to say he couldn't take any pleasure in watching them win some games due to their cheating and unsporting play.
So who might this former player have been Stallion? Just so we can rule out you having made the story up you'll understand! Perish the thought! !! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 04, 2015, 03:53:07 PM
Phyical element probaly comes from club football in Tyrone, been a few incidents over the years. Other Counties too, but maybe more so in Tyrone?
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2F2011%2F0419%2Fmcmahonj.html&ei=WYVHVafCLvKP7AbD3YHwDg&usg=AFQjCNFnCp2nVDMgT6KL8nhp_YJFfQ9hUQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.ZGU
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE4QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joe.ie%2Funcategorized%2Ftyrone-gaa-reacts-to-umbrella-brawl-with-nine-years-of-bans%2F29699&ei=W4ZHVcm_LMSE7gaJ6YCADw&usg=AFQjCNHTpSVjgt7Xjufb8oMAdT8yq-_XQw
Ah here, is that the best you can do, given our reputation I was expecting at least a dozen examples, not a measly two! :P
There were two potential red cards in that U21 final (which would have materialised if tbe ref had been keeping up with the play), neither of which involved a Tír Eoghain player, not that tbe like of Gavin Cummiskey would ever remark on such uncomfortable facts. A vast philosophical difference indeed.
I'm truly in awe of all the other counties and the angels they do have playing for them, we really aren't worthy, verily.
The knee to the head from the Tyrone player not a red card? Look practically all the top teams are cynical at times in order to win, the point I think most are trying to make is that Tyrone are guilty of some unsavory , not to mention unnecessary, antics at times. There have been instances in the past where incidents involving Tyrone have been blown out of proportion, Sean Cavanagh's tackle chief among them, but given the way Tyrone go about their business sometimes they do bring it onto themselves.
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
Its quite obvious that you already had your mind made up in the event of a Tyrone win when you spout rubbish like thon. You profess to know nothing about Tyrone football but then alongside that claim to to know about the inner workings of the Tyrone evil training regime.
You are completely biased. A good example was your reaction to the half time delay
where you had your mind made up that it was some sort of tactic of the Tyrone management team, all before you even knew what happened.
.....And when you found out what happened instead of an apology or retraction that a reasonable person might do.... you instead claimed that the conclusion you jumped to was perfectly reasonable
You can say what you want but it holds no weight when you display the blatant premeditated bias against Tyrone
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on May 04, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
Was talking to a former Tyrone county player there earlier, and credit to him, he said he was ashamed of the antics Tyrone players are involved in these days. He went as far as to say he couldn't take any pleasure in watching them win some games due to their cheating and unsporting play.
Good to hear.
Proper order! Garvaghey's being transformed to a sackcloth, ashes, hair shirt and stocks depot as we speak, and not a minute too soon I tell you!
Maybe if it was in Strabane, but its in mid Tyrone so they're gonna start making linkboxes and cattle trailers at it
There's surely 100 pages in this
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 04, 2015, 05:10:57 PM
There's surely 100 pages in this
Dam right... keep er lit boys
Gown THrone
f**k them - haters gonna hate
u21 Champions agus sin ė
QuoteThere's surely 100 pages in this
There sure is, especially as Stallion knows how embarrassed former player are..... unless he's making it all up of course .... undoubtedly he's just about to prove me wrong!!! :) I'd be every bit as ashamed as our ex-players in that case 😱
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 04, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
The knee to the head from the Tyrone player not a red card? Look practically all the top teams are cynical at times in order to win, the point I think most are trying to make is that Tyrone are guilty of some unsavory , not to mention unnecessary, antics at times. There have been instances in the past where incidents involving Tyrone have been blown out of proportion, Sean Cavanagh's tackle chief among them, but given the way Tyrone go about their business sometimes they do bring it onto themselves.
The stamp from Steven O'Brien on Cathal Mc Shane was a deliberate act, as was the punch - I'd need to see this 'knee to the head' again, is there video of it?
We don't suffer from a persecution complex, but some of the febrile and hypocritical sanctimonious shite from the usual glass-house dwellers is nauseating, not least because of the lack of honesty, where antipathy for Tír Eoghain is dressed up as some kind of over-arching concern for the nobler aspects of the game.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
And I'm no holy Joe! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 04, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
The knee to the head from the Tyrone player not a red card? Look practically all the top teams are cynical at times in order to win, the point I think most are trying to make is that Tyrone are guilty of some unsavory , not to mention unnecessary, antics at times. There have been instances in the past where incidents involving Tyrone have been blown out of proportion, Sean Cavanagh's tackle chief among them, but given the way Tyrone go about their business sometimes they do bring it onto themselves.
The stamp from Steven O'Brien on Cathal Mc Shane was a deliberate act, as was the punch - I'd need to see this 'knee to the head' again, is there video of it?
We don't suffer from a persecution complex, but some of the febrile and hypocritical sanctimonious shite from the usual glass-house dwellers is nauseating, not least because of the lack of honesty, where antipathy for Tír Eoghain is dressed up as some kind of over-arching concern for the nobler aspects of the game.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
And I'm no holy Joe! ;)
I'd agree with you on those two incidents, bar the TG4 player I'm not sure. Indeed that's a valid point, say for example the 2013 All Ireland where Dublin consistently pulled and dragged Mayo players down the last few minutes. If it were Tyrone doing that in all likelihood they'd have received much more vilification from the media. My gripe isn't with cynicism in that respect, but just with off the ball stuff that I don't think is necessary and does detract a bit from the very good team that Tyrone were this year.
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Quote from: tiempo on May 04, 2015, 05:39:22 PM
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Whos that third from left in the blue jumper? He looks fierce familair
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.
my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year
Absolute horsehit. Tyrone have made tyrone unpopular.
Whether it was kneeing opponents in the back, sourcing opponents girlsfriends numbers and reciting them over and over to their opponents during matches, spitting, gouging- I'm struggling to think of the last time Martin Breheny did that.
Could you point one out please.
Tyrone have a rap sheet because they created it- nobody else
Really?
Stephen O'Neill v Cork in Anthony Lynch in 2009
Peter Harte v Mayo 2013
Dooher, Canavan, mcBride v Meath 1996
McKeever v cavanagh 2014
you ask any of the 1993-94 Down team and they will tell you that Derry were a dirty shower...but given that there were only 1-2 cameras, the stuff stayed well hidden...its not a new thing and its not a tyrone thing
You have a myopic view of Tyrone - Im not saying we are saints but the media have unquestionably exacerbated the situation, lead by Brolly, Cummiskey et al
in 2005 or 2006 Paul galvin hit Kieran mcgeeny 3 times in 20 minutes - all illegal....Cavan, Donegal, Cork...f**k sake...every team have their moments...it is what it is....
hardly the fault of u21s or the assumption that the managers have systematically coached players from an early age? Sure thing joe brolly...
I don't have a myopic view. We'd plenty of hard men in Dublin over the years who went well overboard on the pitch but I'd never suggest it was a media conspiracy that highlighted the offences or were responsible for committing them. That's pure horseshit. I'd never ask for a free pass for them. They are damned by their own God damn actions. There is one or two individuals on the current Dublin team I wouldn't have involved for that reason.
You have chosen a certain way to play the game in the last 12 years. Grow up and accept the consequences that come with it.
If you don't want the media to analyse it- take your ball and go home with and petition the GAA to put all your games behind closed doors.
You've had some great footballers but also some downright nasty characters playing for you over the last 12 years and in the last 3-4 years I've seen both your minors and u21's engaged in ruthless cynical tackling off and on the ball.
don't tell me that having being involved in coaching for 35 years that this isn't practiced and rehearsed on the training pitch and it's simply "all down to the players" Players re-iterate what they do on the training pitch- its why teams train.
You won the u21 on Saturday and good luck to you but spare us the poor mouth stories of being victimised by the media. If you want to change the message- change the story and play the game a different way. Until then put a sock in it and accept the consequences that come with it.
Big deal if the Tipp manager didn't want you in the dressing room. He wasn't happy with what went on and that's his democratic right. We don't need the likes of Philip Jordan tweeting what an embarassement it was. There was a few characters that Philip played with that were an embarassement as well but he won't tweet about that.
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 05:13:28 PM
f**k them - haters gonna hate
u21 Champions agus sin ė
Only because of yere filthy tactics, not because ye had near the best players or team, but fair play ye probably think that is the norm within yere county as that is the only way ye play at all levels, ye are institutionalised ;D ;D ;D
Meanwhile, the crushing, pulverising reality of Tír Eoghain club football: http://tyronetribulations.com/
:D
INDIANA, lighten up, life's too short.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 04, 2015, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 04, 2015, 05:13:28 PM
f**k them - haters gonna hate
u21 Champions agus sin ė
Only because of yere filthy tactics, not because ye had near the best players or team, but fair play ye probably think that is the norm within yere county as that is the only way ye play at all levels, ye are institutionalised ;D ;D ;D
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f**k them - haters gonna hate
u21 Champions agus sin ė
Only because of yere filthy tactics, not because ye had near the best players or team, but fair play ye probably think that is the norm within yere county as that is the only way ye play at all levels, ye are institutionalised ;D ;D ;D
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tyrone-u21-fc-2015.jpg)
Thats it keep posting the pic, haha, if you see it and post it enough you might convince yereselves ye deserved it with yere brand off "football", bless!
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Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.
my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year
Absolute horsehit. Tyrone have made tyrone unpopular.
Whether it was kneeing opponents in the back, sourcing opponents girlsfriends numbers and reciting them over and over to their opponents during matches, spitting, gouging- I'm struggling to think of the last time Martin Breheny did that.
Could you point one out please.
Tyrone have a rap sheet because they created it- nobody else
Really?
Stephen O'Neill v Cork in Anthony Lynch in 2009
Peter Harte v Mayo 2013
Dooher, Canavan, mcBride v Meath 1996
McKeever v cavanagh 2014
you ask any of the 1993-94 Down team and they will tell you that Derry were a dirty shower...but given that there were only 1-2 cameras, the stuff stayed well hidden...its not a new thing and its not a tyrone thing
You have a myopic view of Tyrone - Im not saying we are saints but the media have unquestionably exacerbated the situation, lead by Brolly, Cummiskey et al
in 2005 or 2006 Paul galvin hit Kieran mcgeeny 3 times in 20 minutes - all illegal....Cavan, Donegal, Cork...f**k sake...every team have their moments...it is what it is....
hardly the fault of u21s or the assumption that the managers have systematically coached players from an early age? Sure thing joe brolly...
I don't have a myopic view. We'd plenty of hard men in Dublin over the years who went well overboard on the pitch but I'd never suggest it was a media conspiracy that highlighted the offences or were responsible for committing them. That's pure horseshit. I'd never ask for a free pass for them. They are damned by their own God damn actions. There is one or two individuals on the current Dublin team I wouldn't have involved for that reason.
You have chosen a certain way to play the game in the last 12 years. Grow up and accept the consequences that come with it.
If you don't want the media to analyse it- take your ball and go home with and petition the GAA to put all your games behind closed doors.
You've had some great footballers but also some downright nasty characters playing for you over the last 12 years and in the last 3-4 years I've seen both your minors and u21's engaged in ruthless cynical tackling off and on the ball.
don't tell me that having being involved in coaching for 35 years that this isn't practiced and rehearsed on the training pitch and it's simply "all down to the players" Players re-iterate what they do on the training pitch- its why teams train.
You won the u21 on Saturday and good luck to you but spare us the poor mouth stories of being victimised by the media. If you want to change the message- change the story and play the game a different way. Until then put a sock in it and accept the consequences that come with it.
Big deal if the Tipp manager didn't want you in the dressing room. He wasn't happy with what went on and that's his democratic right. We don't need the likes of Philip Jordan tweeting what an embarassement it was. There was a few characters that Philip played with that were an embarassement as well but he won't tweet about that.
Utter nonsense
Who said the media didnt have a right to highlight it? Its the unevenness of the media in highlighting Tyrone as perpetrators of some sort type of dark arts when the whole country is at it and have been for years.
Anyway most of the stuff in this thread has been about what other posters are saying like yourself. Who are coming out with prescript ed bullshit.
Your right about some of the players Philly Jordan Philly Jordan playing with being an embarrassment tho. The Moy had five (four at least) county men at one stage and they still couldnt stay in Senior football! Their non county players were a total embarrassment
Democratic right WTF are you on about? Did the dressing room take a vote on it? What was the result?
Catch yourself on!
Are these critics for real?
Tipperary disappointed me with their reactions post final.
Game over. They lost.
Had chances and didn't take them.
Ref was poor - what a shambles refereeing is in.
I think they should take their ire out on Croke Park and the whole officiating at games.
Have nothing but admiration for Tyrone. And I'm a Leinster man.
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f**k them - haters gonna hate
u21 Champions agus sin ė
Only because of yere filthy tactics, not because ye had near the best players or team, but fair play ye probably think that is the norm within yere county as that is the only way ye play at all levels, ye are institutionalised ;D ;D ;D
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tyrone-u21-fc-2015.jpg)
Thats it keep posting the pic, haha, if you see it and post it enough you might convince yereselves ye deserved it with yere brand off "football", bless!
No worries :D
The more Tyrone bashing the better as far as I'm concerned. When the complaint stops I'll be worried.
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 04, 2015, 06:23:32 PM
Are these critics for real?
Tipperary disappointed me with their reactions post final.
Game over. They lost.
Had chances and didn't take them.
Ref was poor - what a shambles refereeing is in.
I think they should take their ire out on Croke Park and the whole officiating at games.
Have nothing but admiration for Tyrone. And I'm a Leinster man.
As a tyrone man, Im grateful to hear comments like that - I dont think we set out to please people but we certainly dont set out to attract the level of unwarranted criticism. Will take the heat when we deserve it for sure - this is a young team who played a great championship and as deserved winners would be allowed there moment in the spotlight - no guarantee it will be replicated...
GRMA
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Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.
Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.
im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.
I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.
my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year
Absolute horsehit. Tyrone have made tyrone unpopular.
Whether it was kneeing opponents in the back, sourcing opponents girlsfriends numbers and reciting them over and over to their opponents during matches, spitting, gouging- I'm struggling to think of the last time Martin Breheny did that.
Could you point one out please.
Tyrone have a rap sheet because they created it- nobody else
Really?
Stephen O'Neill v Cork in Anthony Lynch in 2009
Peter Harte v Mayo 2013
Dooher, Canavan, mcBride v Meath 1996
McKeever v cavanagh 2014
you ask any of the 1993-94 Down team and they will tell you that Derry were a dirty shower...but given that there were only 1-2 cameras, the stuff stayed well hidden...its not a new thing and its not a tyrone thing
You have a myopic view of Tyrone - Im not saying we are saints but the media have unquestionably exacerbated the situation, lead by Brolly, Cummiskey et al
in 2005 or 2006 Paul galvin hit Kieran mcgeeny 3 times in 20 minutes - all illegal....Cavan, Donegal, Cork...f**k sake...every team have their moments...it is what it is....
hardly the fault of u21s or the assumption that the managers have systematically coached players from an early age? Sure thing joe brolly...
I don't have a myopic view. We'd plenty of hard men in Dublin over the years who went well overboard on the pitch but I'd never suggest it was a media conspiracy that highlighted the offences or were responsible for committing them. That's pure horseshit. I'd never ask for a free pass for them. They are damned by their own God damn actions. There is one or two individuals on the current Dublin team I wouldn't have involved for that reason.
You have chosen a certain way to play the game in the last 12 years. Grow up and accept the consequences that come with it.
If you don't want the media to analyse it- take your ball and go home with and petition the GAA to put all your games behind closed doors.
You've had some great footballers but also some downright nasty characters playing for you over the last 12 years and in the last 3-4 years I've seen both your minors and u21's engaged in ruthless cynical tackling off and on the ball.
don't tell me that having being involved in coaching for 35 years that this isn't practiced and rehearsed on the training pitch and it's simply "all down to the players" Players re-iterate what they do on the training pitch- its why teams train.
You won the u21 on Saturday and good luck to you but spare us the poor mouth stories of being victimised by the media. If you want to change the message- change the story and play the game a different way. Until then put a sock in it and accept the consequences that come with it.
Big deal if the Tipp manager didn't want you in the dressing room. He wasn't happy with what went on and that's his democratic right. We don't need the likes of Philip Jordan tweeting what an embarassement it was. There was a few characters that Philip played with that were an embarassement as well but he won't tweet about that.
when you calm down, take a read at what i posted about mirroring and how the young lads are likely to try and emulate the seniors...I know the players involved...and their managers, some better than others...and i can guarantee you that there is no systematic coaching...unless of course you believe everything Joe Brolly says...and your 35 year coaching has been at u14 level...just like Joe
Truly there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Thankfully I am greatly encouraged by the former Tyrone county player (whose identity I will protect in light of the hostile and borderline threatening reactions proliferating this thread) who wasn't as myopic in his outlook.
His anger at how some moronic Tyrone folk attempted to defend the indefensible gives me hope that all is not lost. Here's hoping one day we'll see a less cowardly and more manly brand of football from Tyrone.
Wishing you all a pleasant evening,
The Stallion
There is some shite being spouted and such a blinkered view , even conceding (wrongly) for arguments that it's not coached at underage level . All you have to do is watch the Ricey laochra Gael programme to see what is fundamentally rotten in the Tyrone ideology of what's acceptable and what's not and you're going to tell me that doesn't filter down to the young lads . Ffs give me a break .
The Stallion, many happy returns, from the ever so proud holders of the 2015 U21 All-Ireland trophy! ;) :) :D
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Truly there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Thankfully I am greatly encouraged by the former Tyrone county player (whose identity I will protect in light of the hostile and borderline threatening reactions proliferating this thread) who wasn't as myopic in his outlook.
His anger at how some moronic Tyrone folk attempted to defend the indefensible gives me hope that all is not lost. Here's hoping one day we'll see a less cowardly and more manly brand of football from Tyrone.
Wishing you all a pleasant evening,
The Stallion
LOL brilliant your not a journalist you know you don't need to protect sources
Go on, give us a clue? era? level? Gowan don't be a spoilsport....U wally
Quote from: larryin89 on May 04, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
There is some shite being spouted and such a blinkered view , even conceding (wrongly) for arguments that it's not coached at underage level . All you have to do is watch the Ricey laochra Gael programme to see what is fundamentally rotten in the Tyrone ideology of what's acceptable and what's not and you're going to tell me that doesn't filter down to the young lads . Ffs give me a break .
Quite right Give us a break... brand/ideology stop this rehashed journalistic grandstanding bsh*t...its football for Christ sake not a marketing seminar or a theological debate
Quote from: larryin89 on May 04, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
There is some shite being spouted and such a blinkered view , even conceding (wrongly) for arguments that it's not coached at underage level . All you have to do is watch the Ricey laochra Gael programme to see what is fundamentally rotten in the Tyrone ideology of what's acceptable and what's not and you're going to tell me that doesn't filter down to the young lads . Ffs give me a break .
Chill out clown... and take a cold bath
It works ... honest!!!
I've had enough...I'm away to Galbally here and given the boys a hand in training. Peter Donnelly is holding a "dragging and pulling" seminar for pregnant women...getting them early.
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more confident in their own skin, but then again, they've always had a weak underbelly. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
You know the rule makers will catch up to this stuff eventually, right? What will you do if you really need that 'edge' to win then?
This all reminds me of businessmen writing 'How I Did It' self-help books. They attribute significance to every action or habit in their lives and portray it as being part of the reason they got to where they were - that it was all more or less essential to success. Reality tells you things are far more fractured than that and many acts have no great meaning or influence.
The question of defensive football is actually at one side to all this - it's one thing playing football on the counter but another to be recklessly aggressive seemingly at an organisational level. That's just not what sport is or should be about. Tyrone could have won this AI without elbowing, kneeing or throwing anyone into a goalpost - would that not have been the way to 'stick it' to the critics, to win by just playing a better system and better football?
Sweet suffering Syferus, I really do believe that your inexhaustible energies would be better employed positively in raising the Roscommon star than trying to do ours down. Incidentally, you've as much chance of succeeding in that fruitless quest as Sisyphus himself! Keep 'er lit, loving it :) :D
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Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more confident in their own skin, but then again, they've always had a weak underbelly. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
You know the rule makers will catch up to this stuff eventually, right? What will you do if you really need that 'edge' to win then?
This all reminds me of businessmen writing 'How I Did It' self-help books. They attribute significance to every action or habit in their lives and portray it as being part of the reason they got to where they were - that it was all more or less essential to success. Reality tells you things are far more fractured than that and many acts have no great meaning or influence.
The question of defensive football is actually at one side to all this - it's one thing playing football on the counter but another to be recklessly aggressive seemingly at an organisational level. That's just not what sport is or should be about. Tyrone could have won this AI without elbowing, kneeing or throwing anyone into a goalpost - would that not have been the way to 'stick it' to the critics, to win by just playing a better system and better football?
Yep, the journey is more important than arriving at your destination. That's what all losers tell themselves. On your other point, in following Tyrone for over 35 years at all levels, I can't pin point one serious injury inflicted on an opposition player by "reckless aggressiveness", maybe you can give an example. Either, this is just incredibly lucky over 35 years at all levels or you are full of nonsense just like the 1 minute assault you were bleating on about after the semi final. I genuinely don't think there's another poster on the board who has been so bitter about a defeat for so long, you really need to get over it.....for your own sanity!
I think that's it from me on this thread! Roll on Ballybofey!
Rule makers catch up with it?
Give me a break....They have totally mishandled rule changes, referee administration and have brought game to it's knees.
Black cards are the final straw - and all these have been knee jerk reactions to high profile headline grabbers seeing attention, Brolly, McGee, Spillane......
They expect players and officials to walk off the field and sing dumb after - in the words of Brian Cody - 'criminal decisions' that are costing teams games.
The whole respect campaign is FLAWED.
When I was growing up I was always told you had to earn respect.
This feel good catch phrase - Give respect, get respect..... in nothing but window dressing.... if they added 'earn respect' maybe referees look at it differently and of course no sanction on poor refereeing performances.
You then have to consider referee assessors - these guys take the biscuit.... blatant bad decisions are not being picked up by them either!!!!
I'm saying all this because Tipperary probably suffered at the death from a stupid stupid decision but that doesn't take away from the Tyrone lads and their great win..
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
I think that's it from me on this thread! Roll on Ballybofey!
Ah no, please continue on this thread trying to defend yere filthy tactics and execution of the dark arts, its the only way ye can win a game you do realise that.
Roll of Ballybofey surely for Donegal showing ye how to play a bit of ball and not kneeing opponents in the face or trying to decapitate opponents with elbows. Haha yeah ye really are a class act. Go on post the pic again of ye lifting the cup to try to cconvince yereselfes ye were the best team.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
I think that's it from me on this thread! Roll on Ballybofey!
Ah no, please continue on this thread trying to defend yere filthy tactics and execution of the dark arts, its the only way ye can win a game you do realise that.
Roll of Ballybofey surely for Donegal showing ye how to play a bit of ball and not kneeing opponents in the face or trying to decapitate opponents with elbows. Haha yeah ye really are a class act. Go on post the pic again of ye lifting the cup to try to cconvince yereselfes ye were the best team.
I'm sure this post makes loads of sense to someone. But
you ye seem a bit obsessed with us!
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Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
I think that's it from me on this thread! Roll on Ballybofey!
Ah no, please continue on this thread trying to defend yere filthy tactics and execution of the dark arts, its the only way ye can win a game you do realise that.
Roll of Ballybofey surely for Donegal showing ye how to play a bit of ball and not kneeing opponents in the face or trying to decapitate opponents with elbows. Haha yeah ye really are a class act. Go on post the pic again of ye lifting the cup to try to cconvince yereselfes ye were the best team.
I'm sure this post makes loads of sense to someone. But you ye seem a bit obsessed with us!
Hang in there Benny with the help of these eejits we'll make it to 100 posts yet in this thread 25% of it post final celebrations
TIR EOGHAIN ABU!
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more confident in their own skin, but then again, they've always had a weak underbelly. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
You know the rule makers will catch up to this stuff eventually, right? What will you do if you really need that 'edge' to win then?
This all reminds me of businessmen writing 'How I Did It' self-help books. They attribute significance to every action or habit in their lives and portray it as being part of the reason they got to where they were - that it was all more or less essential to success. Reality tells you things are far more fractured than that and many acts have no great meaning or influence.
The question of defensive football is actually at one side to all this - it's one thing playing football on the counter but another to be recklessly aggressive seemingly at an organisational level. That's just not what sport is or should be about. Tyrone could have won this AI without elbowing, kneeing or throwing anyone into a goalpost - would that not have been the way to 'stick it' to the critics, to win by just playing a better system and better football?
Not sure how 2nd paragraph relates to first. What you are trying to say in the first is sometimes people create wider reasons for things based on singular events? It is however quite irrelevant to your rantings about Tyrone, which are actually all in your head and has no basis in reality.
Your bias was on show for all to see at half time when you blamed Tyrone for the delay...if the unfortunate chap had been from Tyrone I am sure it would have been part of Tyrone wide dark side conspiracy.
You really should learn to swallow your pride and catch yourself on its a game of football ffs
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Thankfully I am greatly encouraged by the former Tyrone county player (whose identity I will protect in light of the hostile and borderline threatening reactions proliferating this thread) who wasn't as myopic in his outlook. Truly there are none so blind as those who will not see.
His anger at how some moronic Tyrone folk attempted to defend the indefensible gives me hope that all is not lost. Here's hoping one day we'll see a less cowardly and more manly brand of football from Tyrone.
Wishing you all a pleasant evening,
The Stallion
How very noble of you Stallion! Protecting the identity of your ex-Tyrone county player friend.
How very strange that despite majority of your posts being anti Tyrone vitriol you also have a Tyrone ex-county player as a friend who shares your views of the county despite your obvious hatred of all things Tyrone!
I expect most Tyrone contributors know a fair few ex-panellists and I doubt if any have met one who is "embarrassed" at the U21 All-Ireland title. How even more strange then that this so-called ex-county player would share his views with a seething anti-Tyrone bigot like you but not with others?
How even more strange when exposed, you skulk off for the evening? It could be you've run out of Buckfast but a more likely is you have school tomorrow given the puerile attempt at justifying of your disdainful views. Next time perhaps try the line. "a fella I know says...." ;)
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Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more confident in their own skin, but then again, they've always had a weak underbelly. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
You know the rule makers will catch up to this stuff eventually, right? What will you do if you really need that 'edge' to win then?
This all reminds me of businessmen writing 'How I Did It' self-help books. They attribute significance to every action or habit in their lives and portray it as being part of the reason they got to where they were - that it was all more or less essential to success. Reality tells you things are far more fractured than that and many acts have no great meaning or influence.
The question of defensive football is actually at one side to all this - it's one thing playing football on the counter but another to be recklessly aggressive seemingly at an organisational level. That's just not what sport is or should be about. Tyrone could have won this AI without elbowing, kneeing or throwing anyone into a goalpost - would that not have been the way to 'stick it' to the critics, to win by just playing a better system and better football?
Not sure how 2nd paragraph relates to first. What you are trying to say in the first is sometimes people create wider reasons for things based on singular events? It is however quite irrelevant to your rantings about Tyrone, which are actually all in your head and has no basis in reality.
Your bias was on show for all to see at half time when you blamed Tyrone for the delay...if the unfortunate chap had been from Tyrone I am sure it would have been part of Tyrone wide dark side conspiracy.
You really should learn to swallow your pride and catch yourself on its a game of football ffs
Well ok then. I'm biased because I assumed the team not coming out was delaying the match. Serious jump there. They were, it just happened to be for a a very good cause and one I could never have known at the time.
But this all seems like turtling to me - you've all decided everyone is out to get you so you've all went into your defensive modes and try to refute or distract from every point. I have no issue with Tyrone as a county but it's sad when you see good footballers doing stuff that is above and beyond even 'normal' sledging.
Tyrone did some things this year that no supporter could be proud of. It certainly looks to be more institutionalised that it is in most other counties. That's the hard-to-rubbish part of it all and the part that won't go away.
Hmmm...Tadgh Kenelly elbow on Murphy from the throw in, Galvin on Geezer, Dublin dragging Mayo to the ground to see out an AI final, the elbow to Diarmuid Connollys face in the recent league final, Derry 15 man defence and targeting Mulgrew in 2006, Meath v Tyrone AI semi final......
Funny how Kerry are just 'cute hoors' though eh and Dublin are the epitome of purist football.
You can go on ad infinitum with examples of cynical play from the so called artists and artisans alike.
Tyrone are no saints but they are far from being in a league of their own. The southern media is so myopic it's untrue. Dublin played against Tyrone in the league this year with 13 - 14 men behind the ball in their own half when Tyrone attacked, just as Tyrone did when Dublin had the ball - yet Dublin have now been lauded for having added a defensive 'edge' and Tyrone crucified for blanket negativity.
Both Tyrone and Tipp were involved in unsavoury incidents on Saturday yet Tipp are being portrayed as naive innocents....
If the media called out Dublin for negative play or Kerry for cynical dirt it would at least provide some balance, until they do however Tyrone people will continue to see a bias in existence.
I would say younger players see (and learn) much more cynical play from club matches every week than anywhere else, I would find it hard to believe that coaches actually practice sledging or take time to teach the art of fouling. Anyone who thinks they do can't have coached much.
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Quote from: tyroneman on May 04, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Hmmm...Tadgh Kenelly elbow on Murphy from the throw in, Galvin on Geezer, Dublin dragging Mayo to the ground to see out an AI final, the elbow to Diarmuid Connollys face in the recent league final, Derry 15 man defence and targeting Mulgrew in 2006, Meath v Tyrone AI semi final......
Funny how Kerry are just 'cute hoors' though eh and Dublin are the epitome of purist football.
You can go on ad infinitum with examples of cynical play from the so called artists and artisans alike.
Tyrone are no saints but they are far from being in a league of their own. The southern media is so myopic it's untrue. Dublin played against Tyrone in the league this year with 13 - 14 men behind the ball in their own half when Tyrone attacked, just as Tyrone did when Dublin had the ball - yet Dublin have now been lauded for having added a defensive 'edge' and Tyrone crucified for blanket negativity.
Both Tyrone and Tipp were involved in unsavoury incidents on Saturday yet Tipp are being portrayed as naive innocents....
Tyrone won, end of.
Tyrone play football one way only. Dublin will always play attacking football as first option. We've learned through recent bitter experience that the only way you can beat this putrid sh1te is to match it when we have the misfortune to come up against it. Its friggin horrible to watch and is driving people away from the game but Ulster football people don't give a fiddlers about the game or anyone outside of Ulster Ulster football is what it is.
The game has become what it has become because you can't keep changing the rules as cynical win at all costs teams take advantage of the rules as they are and the fact that the GAA and its referees can't or won't enforce their own existing rules.
I wouldn't cross the road to watch Ulster game. You're all pretty much as bad as each other. Wishful thinking but would be great if you took your putrid version of football with your pulling & dragging, verbal abuse of other teams and chip on the shoulder attitude and p1ssed off to play your own championship. Wouldn't fix everything but would be bloody good start! You are a disease within the game.
Despite the cynicism allegedly taught in Tyrone at underage, you still have to put he ball over the bar. And they do that.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on May 04, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 04, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Hmmm...Tadgh Kenelly elbow on Murphy from the throw in, Galvin on Geezer, Dublin dragging Mayo to the ground to see out an AI final, the elbow to Diarmuid Connollys face in the recent league final, Derry 15 man defence and targeting Mulgrew in 2006, Meath v Tyrone AI semi final......
Funny how Kerry are just 'cute hoors' though eh and Dublin are the epitome of purist football.
You can go on ad infinitum with examples of cynical play from the so called artists and artisans alike.
Tyrone are no saints but they are far from being in a league of their own. The southern media is so myopic it's untrue. Dublin played against Tyrone in the league this year with 13 - 14 men behind the ball in their own half when Tyrone attacked, just as Tyrone did when Dublin had the ball - yet Dublin have now been lauded for having added a defensive 'edge' and Tyrone crucified for blanket negativity.
Both Tyrone and Tipp were involved in unsavoury incidents on Saturday yet Tipp are being portrayed as naive innocents....
Tyrone won, end of.
Tyrone play football one way only. Dublin will always play attacking football as first option. We've learned through recent bitter experience that the only way you can beat this putrid sh1te is to match it when we have the misfortune to come up against it. Its friggin horrible to watch and is driving people away from the game but Ulster football people don't give a fiddlers about the game or anyone outside of Ulster Ulster football is what it is.
The game has become what it has become because you can't keep changing the rules as cynical win at all costs teams take advantage of the rules as they are and the fact that the GAA and its referees can't or won't enforce their own existing rules.
I wouldn't cross the road to watch Ulster game. You're all pretty much as bad as each other. Wishful thinking but would be great if you took your putrid version of football with your pulling & dragging, verbal abuse of other teams and chip on the shoulder attitude and p1ssed off to play your own championship. Wouldn't fix everything but would be bloody good start! You are a disease within the game.
Donegal beat Dublin last year 3-14 to 0-17. Nothing putrid or blanket. Tyrone beat Dublin 3-14 to 1-8 in 2008 QF. Again nothing putrid or blanket.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on May 04, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 04, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Hmmm...Tadgh Kenelly elbow on Murphy from the throw in, Galvin on Geezer, Dublin dragging Mayo to the ground to see out an AI final, the elbow to Diarmuid Connollys face in the recent league final, Derry 15 man defence and targeting Mulgrew in 2006, Meath v Tyrone AI semi final......
Funny how Kerry are just 'cute hoors' though eh and Dublin are the epitome of purist football.
You can go on ad infinitum with examples of cynical play from the so called artists and artisans alike.
Tyrone are no saints but they are far from being in a league of their own. The southern media is so myopic it's untrue. Dublin played against Tyrone in the league this year with 13 - 14 men behind the ball in their own half when Tyrone attacked, just as Tyrone did when Dublin had the ball - yet Dublin have now been lauded for having added a defensive 'edge' and Tyrone crucified for blanket negativity.
Both Tyrone and Tipp were involved in unsavoury incidents on Saturday yet Tipp are being portrayed as naive innocents....
Tyrone won, end of.
Tyrone play football one way only. Dublin will always play attacking football as first option. We've learned through recent bitter experience that the only way you can beat this putrid sh1te is to match it when we have the misfortune to come up against it. Its friggin horrible to watch and is driving people away from the game but Ulster football people don't give a fiddlers about the game or anyone outside of Ulster Ulster football is what it is.
The game has become what it has become because you can't keep changing the rules as cynical win at all costs teams take advantage of the rules as they are and the fact that the GAA and its referees can't or won't enforce their own existing rules.
I wouldn't cross the road to watch Ulster game. You're all pretty much as bad as each other. Wishful thinking but would be great if you took your putrid version of football with your pulling & dragging, verbal abuse of other teams and chip on the shoulder attitude and p1ssed off to play your own championship. Wouldn't fix everything but would be bloody good start! You are a disease within the game.
We do and it's quite a competitive one as well.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on May 04, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 04, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Hmmm...Tadgh Kenelly elbow on Murphy from the throw in, Galvin on Geezer, Dublin dragging Mayo to the ground to see out an AI final, the elbow to Diarmuid Connollys face in the recent league final, Derry 15 man defence and targeting Mulgrew in 2006, Meath v Tyrone AI semi final......
Funny how Kerry are just 'cute hoors' though eh and Dublin are the epitome of purist football.
You can go on ad infinitum with examples of cynical play from the so called artists and artisans alike.
Tyrone are no saints but they are far from being in a league of their own. The southern media is so myopic it's untrue. Dublin played against Tyrone in the league this year with 13 - 14 men behind the ball in their own half when Tyrone attacked, just as Tyrone did when Dublin had the ball - yet Dublin have now been lauded for having added a defensive 'edge' and Tyrone crucified for blanket negativity.
Both Tyrone and Tipp were involved in unsavoury incidents on Saturday yet Tipp are being portrayed as naive innocents....
Tyrone won, end of.
Tyrone play football one way only. Dublin will always play attacking football as first option. We've learned through recent bitter experience that the only way you can beat this putrid sh1te is to match it when we have the misfortune to come up against it. Its friggin horrible to watch and is driving people away from the game but Ulster football people don't give a fiddlers about the game or anyone outside of Ulster Ulster football is what it is.
The game has become what it has become because you can't keep changing the rules as cynical win at all costs teams take advantage of the rules as they are and the fact that the GAA and its referees can't or won't enforce their own existing rules.
I wouldn't cross the road to watch Ulster game. You're all pretty much as bad as each other. Wishful thinking but would be great if you took your putrid version of football with your pulling & dragging, verbal abuse of other teams and chip on the shoulder attitude and p1ssed off to play your own championship. Wouldn't fix everything but would be bloody good start! You are a disease within the game.
Partionism at its best here. As long as we stay up in our wee corner in the North and genuflect to the Southern kingpins the GAA will be saved.
didn't brolly call out Kerry as the most cynical team of them all this year on league sunday after the div 1 final and spillane started shaking his head as if it was lies and looking upto the sky.
sunday game should have journalists on to analyse the game, that would give a fair and decent view of the game instead of the same shite every year.nothing but wum on here.
Jesus that was GBH. Reminds me of the Cameroon lads trying to butcher Claudio Canniggia (sp?) in the World Cup in 1990.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on May 04, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 04, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Hmmm...Tadgh Kenelly elbow on Murphy from the throw in, Galvin on Geezer, Dublin dragging Mayo to the ground to see out an AI final, the elbow to Diarmuid Connollys face in the recent league final, Derry 15 man defence and targeting Mulgrew in 2006, Meath v Tyrone AI semi final......
Funny how Kerry are just 'cute hoors' though eh and Dublin are the epitome of purist football.
You can go on ad infinitum with examples of cynical play from the so called artists and artisans alike.
Tyrone are no saints but they are far from being in a league of their own. The southern media is so myopic it's untrue. Dublin played against Tyrone in the league this year with 13 - 14 men behind the ball in their own half when Tyrone attacked, just as Tyrone did when Dublin had the ball - yet Dublin have now been lauded for having added a defensive 'edge' and Tyrone crucified for blanket negativity.
Both Tyrone and Tipp were involved in unsavoury incidents on Saturday yet Tipp are being portrayed as naive innocents....
Tyrone won, end of.
Tyrone play football one way only. Dublin will always play attacking football as first option. We've learned through recent bitter experience that the only way you can beat this putrid sh1te is to match it when we have the misfortune to come up against it. Its friggin horrible to watch and is driving people away from the game but Ulster football people don't give a fiddlers about the game or anyone outside of Ulster Ulster football is what it is.
The game has become what it has become because you can't keep changing the rules as cynical win at all costs teams take advantage of the rules as they are and the fact that the GAA and its referees can't or won't enforce their own existing rules.
I wouldn't cross the road to watch Ulster game. You're all pretty much as bad as each other. Wishful thinking but would be great if you took your putrid version of football with your pulling & dragging, verbal abuse of other teams and chip on the shoulder attitude and p1ssed off to play your own championship. Wouldn't fix everything but would be bloody good start! You are a disease within the game.
Poor Dublin. Dragged down to the level of other teams.
Can you explain the absolute cynicism displayed in the AIF against Mayo when rugby was the order of the day as Dublin closed out the last 10 by pulling, dragging, hauling and fouling any Mayo player with or without the ball?
Can you explain how Donegal rampaged through Dublin last year or did they 'putridly' run up 3-14?
Typical of a certain (minority) breed of Dublin fan .....always an excuse....never an admission......
A shame really as most Dub fans are 100% sound
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 08:59:06 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 04, 2015, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more confident in their own skin, but then again, they've always had a weak underbelly. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
You know the rule makers will catch up to this stuff eventually, right? What will you do if you really need that 'edge' to win then?
This all reminds me of businessmen writing 'How I Did It' self-help books. They attribute significance to every action or habit in their lives and portray it as being part of the reason they got to where they were - that it was all more or less essential to success. Reality tells you things are far more fractured than that and many acts have no great meaning or influence.
The question of defensive football is actually at one side to all this - it's one thing playing football on the counter but another to be recklessly aggressive seemingly at an organisational level. That's just not what sport is or should be about. Tyrone could have won this AI without elbowing, kneeing or throwing anyone into a goalpost - would that not have been the way to 'stick it' to the critics, to win by just playing a better system and better football?
Not sure how 2nd paragraph relates to first. What you are trying to say in the first is sometimes people create wider reasons for things based on singular events? It is however quite irrelevant to your rantings about Tyrone, which are actually all in your head and has no basis in reality.
Your bias was on show for all to see at half time when you blamed Tyrone for the delay...if the unfortunate chap had been from Tyrone I am sure it would have been part of Tyrone wide dark side conspiracy.
You really should learn to swallow your pride and catch yourself on its a game of football ffs
Well ok then. I'm biased because I assumed the team not coming out was delaying the match. Serious jump there. They were, it just happened to be for a avert good cause and one I could never have known at the time.
But this all seems like turtling to me - you've all decided everyone is out to get you so you've all went into your defensive modes and try to refute or distract from every point. I have no issue with Tyrone as a county but it's sad when you see good footballers doing stuff that is above and beyond even 'normal' sledging.
Tyrone did some things this year that no supporter could be proud of. It certainly looks to be more insitualised that it is in most other counties. That's the hard-to-rubbish part of it all and the part that won't go away.
You are because you jumped to the conclusion that the delay was some sort of tactic of the Tyrone management, you had your opinion already proclaimed even before you knew what was happening, its a microcosm for you and this match in general.
Your delusional theories about dark arts are laughable, you claim to know nothing about Tyrone football but then know what is and isn't institutionalized, so which is it, you know nothing or know everything?
As I said b4 Tyrone are no angels but neither is any county, things like the stamp on McShane happen up and down the country 100s of times a week its part of football fair enough shudnt happen, it shud be called out and punished, but its gonna happen again like it has been for years, so dont get caught up in it so much that your view of the game is distorted to where you think that its trained or tolerated in one particular county.. that's just mad talk
I have not decided every1 is out to get us, I'm just calling out a few eejits who are spouting rubbish that is not based on facts but figments of their own imagination.
Its time to grow up, its perfectly obvious the Tyronies on here are not gonna let you lot away with detracting from a perfectly good honest glorious win
We are all proud of our lads like every supporter is of their team it was a great achievement and they played some great football along the way
TIR EOGHAIN ABU
Quote from: tiempo on May 04, 2015, 09:16:24 PM
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SO i presume no one knows who the chap in the blue jumper is?
Quote from: redzone on May 04, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
didn't brolly call out Kerry as the most cynical team of them all this year on league sunday after the div 1 final and spillane started shaking his head as if it was lies and looking upto the sky.
sunday game should have journalists on to analyse the game, that would give a fair and decent view of the game instead of the same shite every year.nothing but wum on here.
The problem is Brolly didn't give,say, Tadgh Kenelly all that 'less than a man' sh!te he gave Cavanagh, or lay into Kerry or Dublin players with such venom. He picks his battles usually with a selective memory too....
Maith an fear Declan Browne, who knows a thing or two about class...
Very proud of our U21's,heartbreaking defeat and hard to accept but let's have no sour grapes,learn from this and drive on #tippfootball
Good half an hour of talk on the local tipp radio station tonight on the game, its the extra time part of the podcast and well worth a listen for the tyrone boys on here, yes there are some points youll take exception to but in the whole I think youll find that we are not as bad losers as we may be portrayed. Our manager was on and explained what happened from his point of view from the dressing room after and that was....the presentation took a long time before if actually happened, our players were cold and wet and headed back to the dressing room, tommy stayed on the pitch, waited till fergal logan done his interviews, congratulated him then did interviews himself, it wasnt until after that he was found out about the dressing room. someone didnt leave fergal in as the lads were showering and what not, its still regrettable but thats what he had to say on it. Heres the link to the podcast and hopefully people wont just pay attention to the odd text in or comment and take it all as a whole. 3mins to 35 is about the match
http://tippfm.com/podcasts
Ive said plenty on the match, maybe my first post on it was over the top but i dont think any of my others were. Congradulations to tyrone and best of luck defending youre ulster and all ireland titles next year. If things go wrong for both of us at senior this year we are both on the same side of the draw and may meet in that, also next year munster are due to play ulster at under 21 so hopefully we'll get a rematch there too
I have not seen the game and I have not read any of this thread......................
But I blame the Tyroneies 100%
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 04, 2015, 09:16:24 PM
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SO i presume no one knows who the chap in the blue jumper is?
It's possibly Joe Brolly.
I've been a long time lurker on these boards but I finally felt it worthwhile to join up reading some of the rubbish posted here. Syferus takes the biscuit. I wonder is the sense of irony lost on him talking about diving, cheating, cynicism, defensive football and dirt.
Does he defend the way Roscommon players dived and conned the referee in the 2010 Connacht final, where anytime they felt the slightest touch they flung themselves to the ground. Where they consistently fouled Harrison and Johnny Davey any time they broke out with the ball from the back? Sligo lost that game themselves that way but the gaul of you to claim moral high ground of the so called dark arts of the game.
Roscommon is the same county who had thugs like Grehan and Seamie O'Neill touring the country with absolute dirt on show. I wonder how many players O'Neill buried with punches in his career, he was as big a thug as you'd find in the game. And Grehan now far behind him. Talking about sledging, step forward Curran and Frankie Dolan. Dolan would spend his whole game talking and verbally harrassing the referee and his opponent, hardly the sign of someone playing the game in the right spirit is it? Curran was as unsporting a player you could have and would use every single trick in the book too. Do you have issues with the gamesmanship in the replay with Sligo in 2004 or does you mock outrage only extend to teams who beat ye?
Finally, I seem to remember Roscommon playing every single player they had behind the ball last year in the qualifier with Armagh so concentrate on getting your own house in order before telling us how other teams are ruining the game.
For what it's worth I attended the game between Roscommon and Tyrone and I didn't see any signs of cynicism beyond the norm with Tyrone that day. They were just a better team who were hungrier. The incident you highlighted with Daly and the Tyrone lad seemed to have been instigated by Daly who was giving it as good as he was getting it at the least.
I have to agree with the Tyrone lads here, if Kerry, Dublin or Mayo adopt these tactics they are exonerated as being cute or intelligent. If an Ulster side do it they are thugs and cynical who are ruining the game.
Mayo did it in the 2012 Connacht final with Sligo when Johnny Davey came on and was cynically dragged to the ground on 3 or 4 times in the last few minutes. Barry Moran got a second yellow card for clotheslining him and it was cynical in the extreme. I don't have an issue with Mayo doing it, if Sligo were the team who were two points up in injury time I'd expect us to be doing the same. The issue falls on the referees and how they punish these incidents.
But to hear Syferus, a Roscommon man, riding his high horse about one county being responsible for all the ills of the games when his own county are far from angels is sickening.
I watched the game yesterday, it was good game played in tough conditions with both teams giving it all and doing what it took to win. I thought if anything Tipperary were slightly the more cynical and the midfielder was very lucky not to get the line for what he did to the Tyrone no9 who continued to come in for special treatment all game long. Felt sorry for Tipp at the time as they were desperately unlucky to fall short and the way the game ended with them being denied a chance of an equaliser must have been sickening but I quickly lost that sympathy when hearing the stories of the comments they made after the game and denying the Tyrone manager from offering his commiserations after the game. I certainly can't understand the negativity towards Tyrone on the basis of yesterday and would agree that there seems to be an agenda against Northern teams.
I have seen Sligo play against plenty of Northern sides in my time following GAA and I can safely say I found them a lot less cynical and dirty than some of our closer neighbours.
Hill 16 Blues...LOL
If you don't mind, I'll probably stay with the Ulster slugfest this year, and give the Leinster cakewalk for da bleedin' marvellous Dubs a miss! :D :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
Na, we love playing ye at your best, apart from 08.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Sligoman, fair play to you for telling it as it is. You might have waited a long time for your first post but it was well worth it.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 09:40:47 PM
Maith an fear Declan Browne, who knows a thing or two about class...
Very proud of our U21's,heartbreaking defeat and hard to accept but let's have no sour grapes,learn from this and drive on #tippfootball
I think this is the prevailing view down here. Of course that's not nearly as good for ammunition for the indo to have a pop at Tyrone.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 09:56:07 PM
Hill 16 Blues...LOL
If you don't mind, I'll probably stay with the Ulster slugfest this year, and give the Leinster cakewalk for da bleedin' marvellous Dubs a miss! :D :)
To be fair it will make marvellous viewing at detention classes at school. Kids will never step out of line again.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:20:13 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 09:56:07 PM
Hill 16 Blues...LOL
If you don't mind, I'll probably stay with the Ulster slugfest this year, and give the Leinster cakewalk for da bleedin' marvellous Dubs a miss! :D :)
To be fair it will make marvellous viewing at detention classes at school. Kids will never step out of line again.
Sure lambs to the Leinster slaughter is bleedin' marvellous, and not one of those nasty Nordies in sight to piss on da parade. We might be back, just maybe! :D :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
LOL he made a quare move that day tho...he took an umbrella
Typical of the bluff eejitrity that has been spouted on this thread.
Keep er lit Indie this is class!
Quote from: sligoman on May 04, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
I've been a long time lurker on these boards but I finally felt it worthwhile to join up reading some of the rubbish posted here. Syferus takes the biscuit. I wonder is the sense of irony lost on him talking about diving, cheating, cynicism, defensive football and dirt.
Does he defend the way Roscommon players dived and conned the referee in the 2010 Connacht final, where anytime they felt the slightest touch they flung themselves to the ground. Where they consistently fouled Harrison and Johnny Davey any time they broke out with the ball from the back? Sligo lost that game themselves that way but the gaul of you to claim moral high ground of the so called dark arts of the game.
Roscommon is the same county who had thugs like Grehan and Seamie O'Neill touring the country with absolute dirt on show. I wonder how many players O'Neill buried with punches in his career, he was as big a thug as you'd find in the game. And Grehan now far behind him. Talking about sledging, step forward Curran and Frankie Dolan. Dolan would spend his whole game talking and verbally harrassing the referee and his opponent, hardly the sign of someone playing the game in the right spirit is it? Curran was as unsporting a player you could have and would use every single trick in the book too. Do you have issues with the gamesmanship in the replay with Sligo in 2004 or does you mock outrage only extend to teams who beat ye?
Finally, I seem to remember Roscommon playing every single player they had behind the ball last year in the qualifier with Armagh so concentrate on getting your own house in order before telling us how other teams are ruining the game.
For what it's worth I attended the game between Roscommon and Tyrone and I didn't see any signs of cynicism beyond the norm with Tyrone that day. They were just a better team who were hungrier. The incident you highlighted with Daly and the Tyrone lad seemed to have been instigated by Daly who was giving it as good as he was getting it at the least.
I have to agree with the Tyrone lads here, if Kerry, Dublin or Mayo adopt these tactics they are exonerated as being cute or intelligent. If an Ulster side do it they are thugs and cynical who are ruining the game.
Mayo did it in the 2012 Connacht final with Sligo when Johnny Davey came on and was cynically dragged to the ground on 3 or 4 times in the last few minutes. Barry Moran got a second yellow card for clotheslining him and it was cynical in the extreme. I don't have an issue with Mayo doing it, if Sligo were the team who were two points up in injury time I'd expect us to be doing the same. The issue falls on the referees and how they punish these incidents.
But to hear Syferus, a Roscommon man, riding his high horse about one county being responsible for all the ills of the games when his own county are far from angels is sickening.
I watched the game yesterday, it was good game played in tough conditions with both teams giving it all and doing what it took to win. I thought if anything Tipperary were slightly the more cynical and the midfielder was very lucky not to get the line for what he did to the Tyrone no9 who continued to come in for special treatment all game long. Felt sorry for Tipp at the time as they were desperately unlucky to fall short and the way the game ended with them being denied a chance of an equaliser must have been sickening but I quickly lost that sympathy when hearing the stories of the comments they made after the game and denying the Tyrone manager from offering his commiserations after the game. I certainly can't understand the negativity towards Tyrone on the basis of yesterday and would agree that there seems to be an agenda against Northern teams.
I have seen Sligo play against plenty of Northern sides in my time following GAA and I can safely say I found them a lot less cynical and dirty than some of our closer neighbours.
Looking forward to the response to this post. This is keyboard equivilant to a right good kick in the stones.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
The problem with your nonsense is that it is not based on anything other than pub talk and what you hear on TV. Ah sure you've convinced yourself you'd have beaten us in 08 only for O'Neill who was nowhere to be seen!!! Similar, nonsense to the balls you talk about our style of play, never mind the facts or taking the time to watch and analyse a game.
Your response above shows the utter weakness of your argument. The old, we've won more AI that you, is a classic! But cheers, your comment on Stephen O'Neill did make laugh and enabled me to fully understand that you are not to be taken seriously.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 04, 2015, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: sligoman on May 04, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
I've been a long time lurker on these boards but I finally felt it worthwhile to join up reading some of the rubbish posted here. Syferus takes the biscuit. I wonder is the sense of irony lost on him talking about diving, cheating, cynicism, defensive football and dirt.
Does he defend the way Roscommon players dived and conned the referee in the 2010 Connacht final, where anytime they felt the slightest touch they flung themselves to the ground. Where they consistently fouled Harrison and Johnny Davey any time they broke out with the ball from the back? Sligo lost that game themselves that way but the gaul of you to claim moral high ground of the so called dark arts of the game.
Roscommon is the same county who had thugs like Grehan and Seamie O'Neill touring the country with absolute dirt on show. I wonder how many players O'Neill buried with punches in his career, he was as big a thug as you'd find in the game. And Grehan now far behind him. Talking about sledging, step forward Curran and Frankie Dolan. Dolan would spend his whole game talking and verbally harrassing the referee and his opponent, hardly the sign of someone playing the game in the right spirit is it? Curran was as unsporting a player you could have and would use every single trick in the book too. Do you have issues with the gamesmanship in the replay with Sligo in 2004 or does you mock outrage only extend to teams who beat ye?
Finally, I seem to remember Roscommon playing every single player they had behind the ball last year in the qualifier with Armagh so concentrate on getting your own house in order before telling us how other teams are ruining the game.
For what it's worth I attended the game between Roscommon and Tyrone and I didn't see any signs of cynicism beyond the norm with Tyrone that day. They were just a better team who were hungrier. The incident you highlighted with Daly and the Tyrone lad seemed to have been instigated by Daly who was giving it as good as he was getting it at the least.
I have to agree with the Tyrone lads here, if Kerry, Dublin or Mayo adopt these tactics they are exonerated as being cute or intelligent. If an Ulster side do it they are thugs and cynical who are ruining the game.
Mayo did it in the 2012 Connacht final with Sligo when Johnny Davey came on and was cynically dragged to the ground on 3 or 4 times in the last few minutes. Barry Moran got a second yellow card for clotheslining him and it was cynical in the extreme. I don't have an issue with Mayo doing it, if Sligo were the team who were two points up in injury time I'd expect us to be doing the same. The issue falls on the referees and how they punish these incidents.
But to hear Syferus, a Roscommon man, riding his high horse about one county being responsible for all the ills of the games when his own county are far from angels is sickening.
I watched the game yesterday, it was good game played in tough conditions with both teams giving it all and doing what it took to win. I thought if anything Tipperary were slightly the more cynical and the midfielder was very lucky not to get the line for what he did to the Tyrone no9 who continued to come in for special treatment all game long. Felt sorry for Tipp at the time as they were desperately unlucky to fall short and the way the game ended with them being denied a chance of an equaliser must have been sickening but I quickly lost that sympathy when hearing the stories of the comments they made after the game and denying the Tyrone manager from offering his commiserations after the game. I certainly can't understand the negativity towards Tyrone on the basis of yesterday and would agree that there seems to be an agenda against Northern teams.
I have seen Sligo play against plenty of Northern sides in my time following GAA and I can safely say I found them a lot less cynical and dirty than some of our closer neighbours.
Looking forward to the response to this post. This is keyboard equivilant to a right good kick in the stones.
LOL thought that meself
Which is the reason there will probably be none
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
The problem with your nonsense is that it is not based on anything other than pub talk and what you hear on TV. Ah sure you've convinced yourself you'd have beaten us in 08 only for O'Neill who was nowhere to be seen!!! Similar, nonsense to the balls you talk about our style of play, never mind the facts or taking the time to watch and analyse a game.
Your response above shows the utter weakness of your argument. The old, we've won more AI that you, is a classic! But cheers, your comment on Stephen O'Neill did make laugh and enabled me to fully understand that you are not to be taken seriously.
Have they?
Sure they only won 2 since 03 which is all that counts so we're still ahead of those dublin upstarts :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
The problem with your nonsense is that it is not based on anything other than pub talk and what you hear on TV. Ah sure you've convinced yourself you'd have beaten us in 08 only for O'Neill who was nowhere to be seen!!! Similar, nonsense to the balls you talk about our style of play, never mind the facts or taking the time to watch and analyse a game.
Your response above shows the utter weakness of your argument. The old, we've won more AI that you, is a classic! But cheers, your comment on Stephen O'Neill did make laugh and enabled me to fully understand that you are not to be taken seriously.
When I'm not being taken seriously I can console myself looking at my AI medals. ;)
Tyrone now want to control the media as well. In tears of laughter at this. When you play shite cynical football in front of a National audience you have to accept the criticism that goes with it.
It's the way sensible analysts speak about Tyrone that irks. AZOffaly said "Tyrone dived, for frees, had a few unsavoury incidents" - it's these baseless comments that are annoying.
When did they dive? Any particular moments that stand out? We all have access to the game so it's easy enough to provide evidence. "a few unsavoury incidents" - any examples? A few?
I watched the game again last night thinking i'd missed something and I could find no examples. The supposed knee incident, if you watch it again, seemed to be an unfortunate consequence of the conditions.
Quote from: I LUV TYRONE on May 04, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 04, 2015, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: sligoman on May 04, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
I've been a long time lurker on these boards but I finally felt it worthwhile to join up reading some of the rubbish posted here. Syferus takes the biscuit. I wonder is the sense of irony lost on him talking about diving, cheating, cynicism, defensive football and dirt.
Does he defend the way Roscommon players dived and conned the referee in the 2010 Connacht final, where anytime they felt the slightest touch they flung themselves to the ground. Where they consistently fouled Harrison and Johnny Davey any time they broke out with the ball from the back? Sligo lost that game themselves that way but the gaul of you to claim moral high ground of the so called dark arts of the game.
Roscommon is the same county who had thugs like Grehan and Seamie O'Neill touring the country with absolute dirt on show. I wonder how many players O'Neill buried with punches in his career, he was as big a thug as you'd find in the game. And Grehan now far behind him. Talking about sledging, step forward Curran and Frankie Dolan. Dolan would spend his whole game talking and verbally harrassing the referee and his opponent, hardly the sign of someone playing the game in the right spirit is it? Curran was as unsporting a player you could have and would use every single trick in the book too. Do you have issues with the gamesmanship in the replay with Sligo in 2004 or does you mock outrage only extend to teams who beat ye?
Finally, I seem to remember Roscommon playing every single player they had behind the ball last year in the qualifier with Armagh so concentrate on getting your own house in order before telling us how other teams are ruining the game.
For what it's worth I attended the game between Roscommon and Tyrone and I didn't see any signs of cynicism beyond the norm with Tyrone that day. They were just a better team who were hungrier. The incident you highlighted with Daly and the Tyrone lad seemed to have been instigated by Daly who was giving it as good as he was getting it at the least.
I have to agree with the Tyrone lads here, if Kerry, Dublin or Mayo adopt these tactics they are exonerated as being cute or intelligent. If an Ulster side do it they are thugs and cynical who are ruining the game.
Mayo did it in the 2012 Connacht final with Sligo when Johnny Davey came on and was cynically dragged to the ground on 3 or 4 times in the last few minutes. Barry Moran got a second yellow card for clotheslining him and it was cynical in the extreme. I don't have an issue with Mayo doing it, if Sligo were the team who were two points up in injury time I'd expect us to be doing the same. The issue falls on the referees and how they punish these incidents.
But to hear Syferus, a Roscommon man, riding his high horse about one county being responsible for all the ills of the games when his own county are far from angels is sickening.
I watched the game yesterday, it was good game played in tough conditions with both teams giving it all and doing what it took to win. I thought if anything Tipperary were slightly the more cynical and the midfielder was very lucky not to get the line for what he did to the Tyrone no9 who continued to come in for special treatment all game long. Felt sorry for Tipp at the time as they were desperately unlucky to fall short and the way the game ended with them being denied a chance of an equaliser must have been sickening but I quickly lost that sympathy when hearing the stories of the comments they made after the game and denying the Tyrone manager from offering his commiserations after the game. I certainly can't understand the negativity towards Tyrone on the basis of yesterday and would agree that there seems to be an agenda against Northern teams.
I have seen Sligo play against plenty of Northern sides in my time following GAA and I can safely say I found them a lot less cynical and dirty than some of our closer neighbours.
Looking forward to the response to this post. This is keyboard equivilant to a right good kick in the stones.
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Syferus if your in need of a good Solicitor to help pen your response i believe there is a good Tyrone man with time on his hands at the moment after securing another AI for his county. Just ask for Fergal.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
The problem with your nonsense is that it is not based on anything other than pub talk and what you hear on TV. Ah sure you've convinced yourself you'd have beaten us in 08 only for O'Neill who was nowhere to be seen!!! Similar, nonsense to the balls you talk about our style of play, never mind the facts or taking the time to watch and analyse a game.
Your response above shows the utter weakness of your argument. The old, we've won more AI that you, is a classic! But cheers, your comment on Stephen O'Neill did make laugh and enabled me to fully understand that you are not to be taken seriously.
When I'm not being taken seriously I can console myself looking at my AI medals. ;)
Tyrone now want to control the media as well. In tears of laughter at this. When you play shite cynical football in front of a National audience you have to accept the criticism that goes with it.
Really? Are they sitting on your mantelpiece?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
The problem with your nonsense is that it is not based on anything other than pub talk and what you hear on TV. Ah sure you've convinced yourself you'd have beaten us in 08 only for O'Neill who was nowhere to be seen!!! Similar, nonsense to the balls you talk about our style of play, never mind the facts or taking the time to watch and analyse a game.
Your response above shows the utter weakness of your argument. The old, we've won more AI that you, is a classic! But cheers, your comment on Stephen O'Neill did make laugh and enabled me to fully understand that you are not to be taken seriously.
When I'm not being taken seriously I can console myself looking at my AI medals. ;)
Tyrone now want to control the media as well. In tears of laughter at this. When you play shite cynical football in front of a National audience you have to accept the criticism that goes with it.
Yes but at least when you criticise, give us actual evidence, not just made up stuff! Like saying we want to control the media, that's just more nonsense! Anyway, we would have beaten you in 2011 had it not been for Ciaran Duff killing us that day!
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
The problem with your nonsense is that it is not based on anything other than pub talk and what you hear on TV. Ah sure you've convinced yourself you'd have beaten us in 08 only for O'Neill who was nowhere to be seen!!! Similar, nonsense to the balls you talk about our style of play, never mind the facts or taking the time to watch and analyse a game.
Your response above shows the utter weakness of your argument. The old, we've won more AI that you, is a classic! But cheers, your comment on Stephen O'Neill did make laugh and enabled me to fully understand that you are not to be taken seriously.
When I'm not being taken seriously I can console myself looking at my AI medals. ;)
Tyrone now want to control the media as well. In tears of laughter at this. When you play shite cynical football in front of a National audience you have to accept the criticism that goes with it.
Really? Are they sitting on your mantelpiece?
No I take them out when I'm not being taken seriously ;).
Bit like Tyrone's attitude that the world is against them.
But if they can produce genuises like SON the rest of us live in hope they can do it again
But the omens don't look good.
Quote from: tippabu on May 04, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
Good half an hour of talk on the local tipp radio station tonight on the game, its the extra time part of the podcast and well worth a listen for the tyrone boys on here, yes there are some points youll take exception to but in the whole I think youll find that we are not as bad losers as we may be portrayed. Our manager was on and explained what happened from his point of view from the dressing room after and that was....the presentation took a long time before if actually happened, our players were cold and wet and headed back to the dressing room, tommy stayed on the pitch, waited till fergal logan done his interviews, congratulated him then did interviews himself, it wasnt until after that he was found out about the dressing room. someone didnt leave fergal in as the lads were showering and what not, its still regrettable but thats what he had to say on it. Heres the link to the podcast and hopefully people wont just pay attention to the odd text in or comment and take it all as a whole. 3mins to 35 is about the match
http://tippfm.com/podcasts
Ive said plenty on the match, maybe my first post on it was over the top but i dont think any of my others were. Congradulations to tyrone and best of luck defending youre ulster and all ireland titles next year. If things go wrong for both of us at senior this year we are both on the same side of the draw and may meet in that, also next year munster are due to play ulster at under 21 so hopefully we'll get a rematch there too
Tipp abu. Maybe by then those who said what they said at the door of the dressing room. And those on the radio and the press will have moved away from this talented group of footballers. The poorest sportsmanship I have ever witnessed as a gael. Poor sportsmanship is worse than the dirty stamp and the nasty dive that we seen in the game.
Quote from: tippabu on May 04, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
Good half an hour of talk on the local tipp radio station tonight on the game, its the extra time part of the podcast and well worth a listen for the tyrone boys on here, yes there are some points youll take exception to but in the whole I think youll find that we are not as bad losers as we may be portrayed. Our manager was on and explained what happened from his point of view from the dressing room after and that was....the presentation took a long time before if actually happened, our players were cold and wet and headed back to the dressing room, tommy stayed on the pitch, waited till fergal logan done his interviews, congratulated him then did interviews himself, it wasnt until after that he was found out about the dressing room. someone didnt leave fergal in as the lads were showering and what not, its still regrettable but thats what he had to say on it.
That was infuriating to listen to. So he's saying - when Tyrone were behind they were great. When they got in front they changed and that was a great pity. Jesus Christ.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 04, 2015, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
Well I know the roll of honour and your not on the first page. Give us a shout if you get to double figures some day.
We might have something to worry about then.
The problem with your nonsense is that it is not based on anything other than pub talk and what you hear on TV. Ah sure you've convinced yourself you'd have beaten us in 08 only for O'Neill who was nowhere to be seen!!! Similar, nonsense to the balls you talk about our style of play, never mind the facts or taking the time to watch and analyse a game.
Your response above shows the utter weakness of your argument. The old, we've won more AI that you, is a classic! But cheers, your comment on Stephen O'Neill did make laugh and enabled me to fully understand that you are not to be taken seriously.
When I'm not being taken seriously I can console myself looking at my AI medals. ;)
Tyrone now want to control the media as well. In tears of laughter at this. When you play shite cynical football in front of a National audience you have to accept the criticism that goes with it.
Really? Are they sitting on your mantelpiece?
No I take them out when I'm not being taken seriously ;).
Bit like Tyrone's attitude that the world is against them.
But if they can produce genuises like SON the rest of us live in hope they can do it again
But the omens don't look good.
Oh I see when did you win them?
Are u still goin on about SON?
Most people would go whoops sorry and that would be it. But since you brought him up where did you get the SON being the difference conclusion from?
Did you forget about 08 and were basing it on 05 only?
Or where you just reaching what would appear to be a logical conclusion but you just don't know enuff facts?
Please let us know, Sysrues got a kick in the stones from a sligo man but u managed to do it all by yourself. I would like to know to make sure I never do it to myself
Awe, INDIANA, my heart-strings are in bits here with your heart-rending tales of marvellous medal displays, seriously loike!
Can you try a wee bit harder to portray yourself as a complete mass-media suffused nonentity, seriously loike?! :P :D
Quote from: rrhf on May 04, 2015, 11:14:04 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 04, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
Good half an hour of talk on the local tipp radio station tonight on the game, its the extra time part of the podcast and well worth a listen for the tyrone boys on here, yes there are some points youll take exception to but in the whole I think youll find that we are not as bad losers as we may be portrayed. Our manager was on and explained what happened from his point of view from the dressing room after and that was....the presentation took a long time before if actually happened, our players were cold and wet and headed back to the dressing room, tommy stayed on the pitch, waited till fergal logan done his interviews, congratulated him then did interviews himself, it wasnt until after that he was found out about the dressing room. someone didnt leave fergal in as the lads were showering and what not, its still regrettable but thats what he had to say on it. Heres the link to the podcast and hopefully people wont just pay attention to the odd text in or comment and take it all as a whole. 3mins to 35 is about the match
http://tippfm.com/podcasts
Ive said plenty on the match, maybe my first post on it was over the top but i dont think any of my others were. Congradulations to tyrone and best of luck defending youre ulster and all ireland titles next year. If things go wrong for both of us at senior this year we are both on the same side of the draw and may meet in that, also next year munster are due to play ulster at under 21 so hopefully we'll get a rematch there too
Tipp abu. Maybe by then those who said what they said at the door of the dressing room. And those on the radio and the press will have moved away from this talented group of footballers. The poorest sportsmanship I have ever witnessed as a gael. Poor sportsmanship is worse than the dirty stamp and the nasty dive that we seen in the game.
Not aimed at the poster specifically, just a general observation. Its funny how on a weekly basis it is claimed:
the most cynical ever seen
the most negative ever seen
the most nordie ever seen
the dortiest ever seen
the biggest bottlers ever seen
etc etc etc
Why does it have to be "the worst ..... ever seen" - why not just a good/bad example of x?
When I'm anonymously online, I like to think I've loads of All Ireland medals too. I'm looking at all three of them now! I would have got a goal in the quarter final in 2008 too, if that greedy hoor Stephen O'Neill hadn't shot himself from a ridiculous angle when I was clean through.
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal. The two teams were wonderful in appalling conditions but for me the antics in the final 1/4 marred it for me more that the loss. Well done to Tyrone again and for Tipp we need to dust down beat Waterford and get some sort of a run in the championship.
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal.
But you have come on and whinged about a player laughing and somebody pushing and someone pulling. That podcast posted earlier was scandalous too. Is this what Tipp are?
I did whinge on particular incidents but I was fair on my views of the match and the Tyrone team. I think it is only fair to give overall views and not just on the nasty stuff because the game and Tyrone had much more that just this. I havent see all 93 pages so the podcast I am not aware of . What channel was it taken from do you know?
This is coming across as a county not used to playing at this level. I suppose you could say Tyrone were like that before the Harte generation. I think Canavan alluded to that in his speech in 2003.
And you can say 'well we're better off playing at a lower level if that's how it is' and good luck to you. I remember my first reserve game and my marker shook my hand, asked me about my older brother and then gave me an unmerciful flick in the knackers. This never happened at minor. After that it was a great game.
If Tipp are going to whinge about laughing and pushing then feck off back to the Tommy Murphy, God rest it.
Some of the stuff pedalled as fact in that podcast was scandalous.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 04, 2015, 11:30:39 PM
Awe, INDIANA, my heart-strings are in bits here with your heart-rending tales of marvellous medal displays, seriously loike!
Can you try a wee bit harder to portray yourself as a complete mass-media suffused nonentity, seriously loike?! :P :D
Ha. I heard the North Korean dictator is in Tyrone this week to learn about media propaganda !
It's all a conspiracy you see lads . Poor old Tyrone - always the victims eh lads
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2015, 11:52:38 PM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal.
But you have come on and whinged about a player laughing and somebody pushing and someone pulling. That podcast posted earlier was scandalous too. Is this what Tipp are?
so you take one part of what he says and completely ignore the rest, its this posters first post on the board and he gave his view on the game, some (not all) really do revel in the us against the world attitude and try to find the negative in everything
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 04, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
There's a lot of fear in the anti Tyrone posters. I think they sense that Tyrone are rising again and are making sure to set their stall out to discredit our future success. I understand the weaker counties like Mayo, Roscommon and Derry getting frustrated that Tyrone may dominate again before they've even made a meaningful challenge for Sam. But you'd think the Dubs would be a bit more comfortable in their own skin, but then again, they always had a weak underbelly when they met us in our pomp. I really hope their fears prove to be correct but I wouldn't be as confident........just yet! :)
If you beat us in the championship once in the next five years I'd be surprised.
No Stephen O Neill's in this Tyrone batch which was the reason you always had the edge on us.
However I think fear factor ended in 2011 after the hiding you shipped that day.
Yes O'Neill was deadly in 2008 when we stuffed you! ::) Do you know anything?
INDIANA, as part of the preview to the 1995 final, RTE interviewed a Dub supporter before the game. The interviewer asked him who he thought Tyrone should watch out for, the Dubs supporter response was "everyone is talking about Jayo, but I think Sheedy will do the damage" . The interviewer replied, "Sure Sheedy isn't playing". The Dub supporter replied " he is fcukin playing"........was that Dub Supporter you.
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:06:44 AM
This is coming across as a county not used to playing at this level. I suppose you could say Tyrone were like that before the Harte generation. I think Canavan alluded to that in his speech in 2003.
And you can say 'well we're better off playing at a lower level if that's how it is' and good luck to you. I remember my first reserve game and my marker shook my hand, asked me about my older brother and then gave me an unmerciful flick in the knackers. This never happened at minor. After that it was a great game.
If Tipp are going to whinge about laughing and pushing then feck off back to the Tommy Murphy, God rest it.
Some of the stuff pedalled as fact in that podcast was scandalous.
such as?
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:57:22 PM
I did whinge on particular incidents but I was fair on my views of the match and the Tyrone team. I think it is only fair to give overall views and not just on the nasty stuff because the game and Tyrone had much more that just this. I havent see all 93 pages so the podcast I am not aware of . What channel was it taken from do you know?
Don't be put off by the Tyrone posters here. They've a collective total of 3 senior all Ireland's and they think they invented the game. You're entitled to your opinion.
You have to realise that as far as they are concerned the only valid opinions on here are theirs . For everything else they have Plenty of former players on Twitter . It's a well oiled propaganda machine .
Quote from: tippabu on May 05, 2015, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:06:44 AM
This is coming across as a county not used to playing at this level. I suppose you could say Tyrone were like that before the Harte generation. I think Canavan alluded to that in his speech in 2003.
And you can say 'well we're better off playing at a lower level if that's how it is' and good luck to you. I remember my first reserve game and my marker shook my hand, asked me about my older brother and then gave me an unmerciful flick in the knackers. This never happened at minor. After that it was a great game.
If Tipp are going to whinge about laughing and pushing then feck off back to the Tommy Murphy, God rest it.
Some of the stuff pedalled as fact in that podcast was scandalous.
such as?
The whole Facebook shite. Girlfriends. The northern way. Pre-meditated tactics if they got in front......
Quote from: tippabu on May 05, 2015, 12:08:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2015, 11:52:38 PM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal.
But you have come on and whinged about a player laughing and somebody pushing and someone pulling. That podcast posted earlier was scandalous too. Is this what Tipp are?
so you take one part of what he says and completely ignore the rest, its this posters first post on the board and he gave his view on the game, some (not all) really do revel in the us against the world attitude and try to find the negative in everything
Read it again. A couple of lines of 'phases' then a whinge. Is this what Tipp are?
I have said it before and heres the thing, gaelic football has always been a hard physical game, every team has had their hard men and cynical men, but a referee could usually deal with it when it was just a few players on each side that were at it, but now it is team policy and it is being coached into young lads that this is the way to win, there is no way our rules as they stand can cope with what is going on, the game that we all love is being dragged into the dirt, say what ye want and make all the excuses ye want what I am saying is true, I am not against northern teams, I am against any county that brings that awful aspect to our games, just have a look at the last 30 pages of this thread, what is being talked about,I just wish we had witnessed a good sporting game of football that we could all have praised and enjoyed, I have no issue with teams setting up defensively, thats their right, but I have an issue with the win at all costs tactics that have taken our game into disrepute,the word sport no longer applies to gaelic football, like I said in an earlier post to Tyrone, take a bow, ye are all-Ireland u21 champions, but at what cost?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 05, 2015, 12:11:22 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:57:22 PM
I did whinge on particular incidents but I was fair on my views of the match and the Tyrone team. I think it is only fair to give overall views and not just on the nasty stuff because the game and Tyrone had much more that just this. I havent see all 93 pages so the podcast I am not aware of . What channel was it taken from do you know?
Don't be put off by the Tyrone posters here. They've a collective total of 3 senior all Ireland's and they think they invented the game. You're entitled to your opinion.
You have to realise that as far as they are concerned the only valid opinions on here are theirs . For everything else they have Plenty of former players on Twitter . It's a well oiled propaganda machine .
Ah here, da poor bleedin' Dubs, and the massed ranks of a minor county like Tír Eoghain overwhelming the twittersphere! 'Tis a bleedin' scandal I tell you, the Sam Maguire-starved whippersnappers, da bleedin' cheek of dem, it's outrageous, a feckin' disgrace! ;) :)
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:11:45 AM
Quote from: tippabu on May 05, 2015, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:06:44 AM
This is coming across as a county not used to playing at this level. I suppose you could say Tyrone were like that before the Harte generation. I think Canavan alluded to that in his speech in 2003.
And you can say 'well we're better off playing at a lower level if that's how it is' and good luck to you. I remember my first reserve game and my marker shook my hand, asked me about my older brother and then gave me an unmerciful flick in the knackers. This never happened at minor. After that it was a great game.
If Tipp are going to whinge about laughing and pushing then feck off back to the Tommy Murphy, God rest it.
Some of the stuff pedalled as fact in that podcast was scandalous.
such as?
The whole Facebook shite. Girlfriends. The northern way. Pre-mediated tactics if they got in front......
You know for a fact this doesnt go on? Dublin also done it in the minor final of 2011 so not just a northern thing.
Just listened to the interview in the podcast, thought he was fair and I don't think it was at all "scandalous".
Any video available for the game?
Now I know the podcast as I was listening earlier. I think that there maybe a mix up here. The contributor was referring to an incident in the 2011 minor final when a Tipp lad was handed the ball for a penalty the Dub informed him that his sister (that he named) was lets say a good looking girl to put it mildly. I have no evidence of this on Saturday night. Look I hated the antics in the final 1/4 but the game was wonderful and these lads on both sides deserve huge credit for the skill levels shown.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 05, 2015, 12:18:06 AM
Any video available for the game?
tg4 should have it on their players in a day or two. my recording stopped due to the unfortunate delay at half time so havent been able to see any of the game beyond the tyrone goal
Bloody hell its a lively one this. yer first cousins will put an end to yer squealin in a couple of weeks time.
Will this thread beat the derrytresk 'knock Yer bollix in' thread for the amount of pages?
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 05, 2015, 12:14:34 AM
I have said it before and heres the thing, gaelic football has always been a hard physical game, every team has had their hard men and cynical men, but a referee could usually deal with it when it was just a few players on each side that were at it, but now it is team policy and it is being coached into young lads that this is the way to win, there is no way our rules as they stand can cope with what is going on, the game that we all love is being dragged into the dirt, say what ye want and make all the excuses ye want what I am saying is true, I am not against northern teams, I am against any county that brings that awful aspect to our games, just have a look at the last 30 pages of this thread, what is being talked about,I just wish we had witnessed a good sporting game of football that we could all have praised and enjoyed, I have no issue with teams setting up defensively, thats their right, but I have an issue with the win at all costs tactics that have taken our game into disrepute,the word sport no longer applies to gaelic football, like I said in an earlier post to Tyrone, take a bow, ye are all-Ireland u21 champions, but at what cost?
Absolute nonsense, you and many posters coming out with this same nonsense have obviously never played any sort of competitive sport, never mind Gaelic football. This happens in every single sport by every single team, but if you have never played sport, then you don't understand . You simply form your opinion by what you are told by Brolly and the media....try watching a game and form your own opinion.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 04, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 04, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
didn't brolly call out Kerry as the most cynical team of them all this year on league sunday after the div 1 final and spillane started shaking his head as if it was lies and looking upto the sky.
sunday game should have journalists on to analyse the game, that would give a fair and decent view of the game instead of the same shite every year.nothing but wum on here.
The problem is Brolly didn't give,say, Tadgh Kenelly all that 'less than a man' sh!te he gave Cavanagh, or lay into Kerry or Dublin players with such venom. He picks his battles usually with a selective memory too....
For a bit of balance. When Armagh played Dublin in 2003 Stephen Cluxton got sent of for kicking Stevie McDonnell. Brolly said he should never play for Dublin again he had let his team down so badly. On League Sunday this year he said Kerry were the most cynical team in Ireland. Now I believe that by accident or design northern teams do at times get harsher treatment from the media. On this matter I think you are wrong,however.
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 12:18:29 AM
Now I know the podcast as I was listening earlier. I think that there maybe a mix up here. The contributor was referring to an incident in the 2011 minor final when a Tipp lad was handed the ball for a penalty the Dub informed him that his sister (that he named) was lets say a good looking girl to put it mildly. I have no evidence of this on Saturday night. Look I hated the antics in the final 1/4 but the game was wonderful and these lads on both sides deserve huge credit for the skill levels shown.
Don't be dragging Dublin into this. This sort of stuff is peddled by northern teams and by Tyrone in particular so please do not sully Dublin's good name by saying that they are guilty of this as well.
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 12:18:29 AM
Now I know the podcast as I was listening earlier. I think that there maybe a mix up here. The contributor was referring to an incident in the 2011 minor final when a Tipp lad was handed the ball for a penalty the Dub informed him that his sister (that he named) was lets say a good looking girl to put it mildly. I have no evidence of this on Saturday night. Look I hated the antics in the final 1/4 but the game was wonderful and these lads on both sides deserve huge credit for the skill levels shown.
No there was no mix-up. He said "it was pre-meditated - and the Tyrone manager said it wasn't". He was referring to Facebook etc. He was making this up. You could tell by how watery on it. Then the journalist tried to bring it up again with the next interviewee. It really was pathetic.
Players were "spat at" too??? Doors kicked in???
Quote from: larryin89 on May 05, 2015, 12:19:46 AM
Bloody hell its a lively one this. yer first cousins will put an end to yer squealin in a couple of weeks time.
When idiots from Connacht keep sticking an oar in where really there's no need, then you can expect fireworks, especially when some Dubs should know better too, since neither of your provinces were involved in the final! :P
"One of the Tyrone defenders, for 45 mins, smiled at him and talked into his ear. It was scandalous."
Then the journalist talks about Tyrone doing their homework on family members and how they were a disgrace to the organisation.
What a shower.
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal. The two teams were wonderful in appalling conditions but for me the antics in the final 1/4 marred it for me more that the loss. Well done to Tyrone again and for Tipp we need to dust down beat Waterford and get some sort of a run in the championship.
Your views are fair enuff I don't agree with the half of them most likely as we are viewing them through completely different lens. For example I thought Tyrone were the better team in the first half and should have been well ahead AT HALF TIME because the wides they hit were seriously wasteful not to mention McNulty fumbling a ball that would have lead to a certain goal.
Now I did not see any evidence of goading pushing and pulling but I was only watching it on the box, but let me say this, if it did happen it should not have, it stupid and childish and does not help the perpetrators in the slightest.
I remember being found of the old sledging myself as a youth and getting a ferocious rollicking from a manager about it, Did it stop me? Course not, I couldn't help myself when those lough-shore slabbers would start:) did I play better when I didnt do it? Of course I did. It is stupid carryon but you cant tell young lads some things.
However it happens up and down the country every week at all levels and I would doubt very much that it doesn't happen in Tipperary as well. But lets not get carries away you got to live in real world let me tell you about another manager I had at juvenile level that I think he may have had a similar attitude to yourself . We got into a free for all in a friendly and he refused to talk to us he even had his assistant do all the talking at training. This went for a good month, while matches were going on and everything! He was making a point that it was unacceptable but did it stop rows? Course not young lads are as mad as a box of frogs some times.
But thanks for your post and commiserations on your loss, yous played well Saturday and put up a valiant display and done your county proud
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:25:32 AM
Players were "spat at" too??? Doors kicked in???
That came from a texter and its the one and only occasion where its was mentioned by anyone, the presenter should have known better himself than reading out something where there is no evidence at all.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 05, 2015, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 05, 2015, 12:19:46 AM
Bloody hell its a lively one this. yer first cousins will put an end to yer squealin in a couple of weeks time.
When idiots from Connacht keep sticking an oar in where really there's no need, then you can expect fireworks, especially when some Dubs should know better too, since neither of your provinces were involved in the final! :P
Ye leave him alone ya bollix.
#Derry/Mayo-solidarityaginsttyrone
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 05, 2015, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 05, 2015, 12:19:46 AM
Bloody hell its a lively one this. yer first cousins will put an end to yer squealin in a couple of weeks time.
When idiots from Connacht keep sticking an oar in where really there's no need, then you can expect fireworks, especially when some Dubs should know better too, since neither of your provinces were involved in the final! :P
We only teach gaelic football and not MMA. More's the fool us I guess.
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 05, 2015, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 05, 2015, 12:19:46 AM
Bloody hell its a lively one this. yer first cousins will put an end to yer squealin in a couple of weeks time.
When idiots from Connacht keep sticking an oar in where really there's no need, then you can expect fireworks, especially when some Dubs should know better too, since neither of your provinces were involved in the final! :P
We only teach gaelic football and not MMA. More's the fool us I guess.
And boy does that cap fit! :P
I havent forgot ya sligoman, what about the 1943 Connacht semi-final played in boyle when ye were denied a 14 yard free to win the game and Ros won the replay and went on to win the all-ire,
this thread is not about personal grudges or vendettas but about the direction out game of football is heading, every county has had its hard men but the ref usually dealt with them, (well some times), Barnes Murphy was no angel and I could name a lot more of hard sligomen over the years but now it is being coached into young lads that this is the way to play but I have to say fair play to you you did not miss a chance to vent against your connacht neighbours and of course you had to praise the nordies to justify your anger, if we get over London you will have one long angry post to write after what we do to ye and I guarantee their will not be one cynical tackle from the Rossies.
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:24:57 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 12:18:29 AM
Now I know the podcast as I was listening earlier. I think that there maybe a mix up here. The contributor was referring to an incident in the 2011 minor final when a Tipp lad was handed the ball for a penalty the Dub informed him that his sister (that he named) was lets say a good looking girl to put it mildly. I have no evidence of this on Saturday night. Look I hated the antics in the final 1/4 but the game was wonderful and these lads on both sides deserve huge credit for the skill levels shown.
No there was no mix-up. He said "it was pre-meditated - and the Tyrone manager said it wasn't". He was referring to Facebook etc. He was making this up. You could tell by how watery on it. Then the journalist tried to bring it up again with the next interviewee. It really was pathetic.
I just listened back there, while talking of players talking about family members and such, if it did happen of course it was premeditated by the player who would have had to look up the information. He also said that the tyrone managed said the players arent coached that way but didnt deny that it happens. Now im pretty certain nobody put it to the tyrone manager about the facebook and that and he was probably asked about the buzzword that is cynicism so i think there was a mix up there
This has definitely been on of my favourite threads in a long time!
A quick recap of the last few hours.....Indiana has been outed as a multiple All Ireland medalist who strangely hasn't a bucks notion about football or who plays it. Roscommon's mask of fair play to all has been pulled off by Sligoman who gave firm evidence of them indulging in the dark arts long before Tyrone even knew they existed. The Stallion, the bigoted anti Tyrone Derryman is best buds with an ex-Tyrone county player who coincidently hates Tyrone and Tipperary have turned into a bunch of big ninnies over night, crying to their local media over being bullied and called names. Meanwhile Tyrone are still All Ireland U21 champions, it's amazing the impact our success has on others! ;D
Quote from: tippabu on May 05, 2015, 12:37:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:24:57 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 12:18:29 AM
Now I know the podcast as I was listening earlier. I think that there maybe a mix up here. The contributor was referring to an incident in the 2011 minor final when a Tipp lad was handed the ball for a penalty the Dub informed him that his sister (that he named) was lets say a good looking girl to put it mildly. I have no evidence of this on Saturday night. Look I hated the antics in the final 1/4 but the game was wonderful and these lads on both sides deserve huge credit for the skill levels shown.
No there was no mix-up. He said "it was pre-meditated - and the Tyrone manager said it wasn't". He was referring to Facebook etc. He was making this up. You could tell by how watery on it. Then the journalist tried to bring it up again with the next interviewee. It really was pathetic.
I just listened back there, while talking of players talking about family members and such, if it did happen of course it was premeditated by the player who would have had to look up the information. He also said that the tyrone managed said the players arent coached that way but didnt deny that it happens. Now im pretty certain nobody put it to the tyrone manager about the facebook and that and he was probably asked about the buzzword that is cynicism so i think there was a mix up there
"Mentioning family members and that....It looked like Tyrone reverted to it when they went ahead....mentioning your sister's name and that......he didn't deny it happened."
It wasn't a mix-up. The interviewee was making it up. The presenter asked him if that really happened. He said "well....yeah, unfortunately". Then the presenter brought it up as fact with the next interviewee.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 05, 2015, 12:43:45 AM
This has definitely been on of my favourite threads in a long time!
A quick recap of the last few hours.....Indiana has been outed as a multiple All Ireland medalist who strangely hasn't a bucks notion about football or who plays it. Roscommon's mask of fair play to all has been pulled off by Sligoman who gave firm evidence of them indulging in the dark arts long before Tyrone even knew they existed. The Stallion, the bigoted anti Tyrone Derryman is best buds with an ex-Tyrone county player who coincidently hates Tyrone and Tipperary have turned into a bunch of big ninnies over night, crying to their local media over being bullied and called names. Meanwhile Tyrone are still All Ireland U21 champions, it's amazing the impact our success has on others! ;D
Sligoman's post was almost as laughable as some of Stallion's :P
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 05, 2015, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 05, 2015, 12:19:46 AM
Bloody hell its a lively one this. yer first cousins will put an end to yer squealin in a couple of weeks time.
When idiots from Connacht keep sticking an oar in where really there's no need, then you can expect fireworks, especially when some Dubs should know better too, since neither of your provinces were involved in the final! :P
We only teach gaelic football and not MMA. More's the fool us I guess.
A message from Sligo for you Rossies
Quote from: sligoman on May 04, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
I've been a long time lurker on these boards but I finally felt it worthwhile to join up reading some of the rubbish posted here. Syferus takes the biscuit. I wonder is the sense of irony lost on him talking about diving, cheating, cynicism, defensive football and dirt.
Does he defend the way Roscommon players dived and conned the referee in the 2010 Connacht final, where anytime they felt the slightest touch they flung themselves to the ground. Where they consistently fouled Harrison and Johnny Davey any time they broke out with the ball from the back? Sligo lost that game themselves that way but the gaul of you to claim moral high ground of the so called dark arts of the game.
Roscommon is the same county who had thugs like Grehan and Seamie O'Neill touring the country with absolute dirt on show. I wonder how many players O'Neill buried with punches in his career, he was as big a thug as you'd find in the game. And Grehan now far behind him. Talking about sledging, step forward Curran and Frankie Dolan. Dolan would spend his whole game talking and verbally harrassing the referee and his opponent, hardly the sign of someone playing the game in the right spirit is it? Curran was as unsporting a player you could have and would use every single trick in the book too. Do you have issues with the gamesmanship in the replay with Sligo in 2004 or does you mock outrage only extend to teams who beat ye?
Finally, I seem to remember Roscommon playing every single player they had behind the ball last year in the qualifier with Armagh so concentrate on getting your own house in order before telling us how other teams are ruining the game.
For what it's worth I attended the game between Roscommon and Tyrone and I didn't see any signs of cynicism beyond the norm with Tyrone that day. They were just a better team who were hungrier. The incident you highlighted with Daly and the Tyrone lad seemed to have been instigated by Daly who was giving it as good as he was getting it at the least.
I have to agree with the Tyrone lads here, if Kerry, Dublin or Mayo adopt these tactics they are exonerated as being cute or intelligent. If an Ulster side do it they are thugs and cynical who are ruining the game.
Mayo did it in the 2012 Connacht final with Sligo when Johnny Davey came on and was cynically dragged to the ground on 3 or 4 times in the last few minutes. Barry Moran got a second yellow card for clotheslining him and it was cynical in the extreme. I don't have an issue with Mayo doing it, if Sligo were the team who were two points up in injury time I'd expect us to be doing the same. The issue falls on the referees and how they punish these incidents.
But to hear Syferus, a Roscommon man, riding his high horse about one county being responsible for all the ills of the games when his own county are far from angels is sickening.
I watched the game yesterday, it was good game played in tough conditions with both teams giving it all and doing what it took to win. I thought if anything Tipperary were slightly the more cynical and the midfielder was very lucky not to get the line for what he did to the Tyrone no9 who continued to come in for special treatment all game long. Felt sorry for Tipp at the time as they were desperately unlucky to fall short and the way the game ended with them being denied a chance of an equaliser must have been sickening but I quickly lost that sympathy when hearing the stories of the comments they made after the game and denying the Tyrone manager from offering his commiserations after the game. I certainly can't understand the negativity towards Tyrone on the basis of yesterday and would agree that there seems to be an agenda against Northern teams.
I have seen Sligo play against plenty of Northern sides in my time following GAA and I can safely say I found them a lot less cynical and dirty than some of our closer neighbours.
Not my words but I dying to hear your reply
Jaysus this thread is movin quick I can't even keep up with it and I have been on it most of the day at work
Thanks for the update
Anyway keep er lit lads the tons in sight!
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:45:17 AM
Quote from: tippabu on May 05, 2015, 12:37:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:24:57 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 12:18:29 AM
Now I know the podcast as I was listening earlier. I think that there maybe a mix up here. The contributor was referring to an incident in the 2011 minor final when a Tipp lad was handed the ball for a penalty the Dub informed him that his sister (that he named) was lets say a good looking girl to put it mildly. I have no evidence of this on Saturday night. Look I hated the antics in the final 1/4 but the game was wonderful and these lads on both sides deserve huge credit for the skill levels shown.
No there was no mix-up. He said "it was pre-meditated - and the Tyrone manager said it wasn't". He was referring to Facebook etc. He was making this up. You could tell by how watery on it. Then the journalist tried to bring it up again with the next interviewee. It really was pathetic.
I just listened back there, while talking of players talking about family members and such, if it did happen of course it was premeditated by the player who would have had to look up the information. He also said that the tyrone managed said the players arent coached that way but didnt deny that it happens. Now im pretty certain nobody put it to the tyrone manager about the facebook and that and he was probably asked about the buzzword that is cynicism so i think there was a mix up there
"Mentioning family members and that....It looked like Tyrone reverted to it when they went ahead....mentioning your sister's name and that......he didn't deny it happened."
It wasn't a mix-up. The interviewee was making it up. The presenter asked him if that really happened. He said "well....yeah, unfortunately". Then the presenter brought it up as fact with the next interviewee.
Did you read the second half of my post? Im pretty certain youre manager wasnt asked about it so how could he deny it, i said that part must have been a mix up.
The game is on TG4 player (http://"http://www.tg4.tv/play.php?pid=4215268912001&title=GAA%202015&series=GAA%202015") today
There seems to be two different issues being talked on here.
1. That Tyrone as a county have become a disgrace and take cynical methods to a whole new level and as they don't have the talent any more they now base their whole game on winning at all costs.
2. This actual game itself was quite entertaining and competitive and enjoyable up until the team most of us didn't want to win actually got the goal and went in front. Then we all saw their true colours of cheating and diving and cynical play whereas anything cynical that Tipp had done like several players trying to take Cathal McShane out of the game during the whole game was just part and parcel of the game.
This is where my issue is with this thread. People see what they want to see and ignore what doesn't help them argue their point. There has been a few reasonably balanced posts like Sligoman and blowitup I think who enjoyed a good tough game in terrible conditions where the slight underdog who everyone wanted to win just fell short.
Id love a few of ye to list out the ACTUAL cynical incidents you thought happened by watching the game again. I'm not saying there were none but judge it for yourself and not from people texting in saying oh I heard this or saw that when its so easy for them to make up stuff.
Personally I lost count of the number of times I saw Tipp players trying to DO Cathal McShane. The OBrien one is the worst of course but there were shoulders to the ribs tripping and dragging him down but no sign of a black card all day. Even his goal which I thought he hit badly at the keeper, the defender knew he wasn't gonna get there in time so he made sure he left his leg out to do damage after the ball had gone.
Usually the winning team's fans would bite their tongue and not bring up all their annoyances after a game but I am so fed up listening to inaccurate anti Tyrone propaganda whilst other teams who do the same thing get away with it.
Had O'Brien correctly got a red card for his offence in the 11th minute what sort of game would it have been then?
As a matter of interest does anyone think he shouldn't have saw red
To end of a positive. O'Riordan is one hell of a player and I'd say we'll be seeing him a lot in the years ahead unless he goes down under.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 05, 2015, 12:43:45 AM
This has definitely been on of my favourite threads in a long time!
A quick recap of the last few hours.....Indiana has been outed as a multiple All Ireland medalist who strangely hasn't a bucks notion about football or who plays it. Roscommon's mask of fair play to all has been pulled off by Sligoman who gave firm evidence of them indulging in the dark arts long before Tyrone even knew they existed. The Stallion, the bigoted anti Tyrone Derryman is best buds with an ex-Tyrone county player who coincidently hates Tyrone and Tipperary have turned into a bunch of big ninnies over night, crying to their local media over being bullied and called names. Meanwhile Tyrone are still All Ireland U21 champions, it's amazing the impact our success has on others! ;D
Laughing me balls off here lol.
I have the f**king horrors and can't get to sleep!
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 05, 2015, 12:48:30 AM
Jaysus this thread is movin quick I can't even keep up with it and I have been on it most of the day at work
Thanks for the update
Anyway keep er lit lads the tons in sight!
reckon we'll be well over the 100 page mark come the morning :)
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 05, 2015, 12:34:46 AM
I havent forgot ya sligoman, what about the 1943 Connacht semi-final played in boyle when ye were denied a 14 yard free to win the game and Ros won the replay and went on to win the all-ire,
this thread is not about personal grudges or vendettas but about the direction out game of football is heading, every county has had its hard men but the ref usually dealt with them, (well some times), Barnes Murphy was no angel and I could name a lot more of hard sligomen over the years but now it is being coached into young lads that this is the way to play but I have to say fair play to you you did not miss a chance to vent against your connacht neighbours and of course you had to praise the nordies to justify your anger, if we get over London you will have one long angry post to write after what we do to ye and I guarantee their will not be one cynical tackle from the Rossies.
Your in the wrong thread this is about the All Ireland u21 football championship 2015
I had a good wee chuckle at your last line
Next interviewee 'Jackie Cahill?'
"and I tweeted 'Win with class and loss with dignity' and we kept our part of the bargain and a few people up north reacted to it and I guess you'd expect nothing less."
"doing their stuff on family members"...
Jaysus my F5 button is back working in this website.
For ages it did nothing but now it brings up 10 new post at a time.
Lets try it again after this.
That's if I can ever can get it posted
"Sorry Fuzzman but there has been 200 posts since your last whinge Post
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 05, 2015, 12:34:46 AM
I havent forgot ya sligoman, what about the 1943 Connacht semi-final played in boyle when ye were denied a 14 yard free to win the game and Ros won the replay and went on to win the all-ire,
this thread is not about personal grudges or vendettas but about the direction out game of football is heading, every county has had its hard men but the ref usually dealt with them, (well some times), Barnes Murphy was no angel and I could name a lot more of hard sligomen over the years but now it is being coached into young lads that this is the way to play but I have to say fair play to you you did not miss a chance to vent against your connacht neighbours and of course you had to praise the nordies to justify your anger, if we get over London you will have one long angry post to write after what we do to ye and I guarantee their will not be one cynical tackle from the Rossies.
I never said Sligo were angels. My point is that Roscommon crying about other team's ethics is a bit rich when it comes to some of the characters ye had playing for ye not so long ago.
Did you have any problem with the direction the likes of Seamie O'Neill, Francie Grehan, Frankie Dolan or Shane Curran brought the game in? You are the lads who are crying foul but it's not so long ago since you had a team stocked of thugs and loudmouths who were no strangers to lowering the blade when you needed to. It's
Sligo have played Derry, Down, Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone in the past 15 years of Championship football and have met all Ulster sides in the league. I can't think of any time there were really unsavoury incidents. We've had players like O'Hara who got involved in a lot of incidents and it's perfectly understandable how he would not be looked upon favourably in other counties but at least he did play ball as well for the most part. Seamie O'Neill would generally just run around the pitch after him trying to take his head off when Sligo played Roscommon.
I was at the game in Markievicz between Tyrone and yourselves and certainly didn't see anything untoward from Tyrone, certainly nothing out of the norm skirmishes you'd see in any Championship match. It's very odd that Roscommon have turned into shrinking violet Mary Poppins outfit in recent years, when did this Road to Damascus moment overtake your usual boorish demeanor?
Rodman what is there to understand, I have played for and captained Roscommon district league in the oscar traynor cup, I have played underage inter county football, I have won county medals at every age group, and have coached underage club teams, the direction our games have taken is wrong in every way,
this is not the example we should be setting for our young people apart from the fact that what is going on in some gaelic football matches is bordering on criminal and I dont say that lightly or to get advantage or to help make my point, think about it for a minute, leave your allegiances aside for once, would you want your son engaging in these tactics? if your answer is yes there is no more to be said.
Well you haven't learned much about full stops.
I've heard it all. We Tyroned the 2010 Connacht final. Sweet lord has this thread fully descended into farce now when you have Sligo lads attacking Roscommon lads about a five year-old senior provincial final on an U21 championship thread.
Tyrone were the best U21 team in Ireland this year. They didn't need to commit so many totally pointlessly dirty acts on the way there, they could have let their talent do the talking. The fact they didn't didn't was depressing to watch at the time and for the sport in general. Sin é.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 05, 2015, 12:57:49 AM
Rodman what is there to understand, I have played for and captained Roscommon district league in the oscar traynor cup, I have played underage inter county football, I have won county medals at every age group, and have coached underage club teams, the direction our games have taken is wrong in every way,
this is not the example we should be setting for our young people apart from the fact that what is going on in some gaelic football matches is bordering on criminal and I dont say that lightly or to get advantage or to help make my point, think about it for a minute, leave your allegiances aside for once, would you want your son engaging in these tactics? if your answer is yes there is no more to be said.
Latest update.....giveballacksback captained Roscommon district league in the Oscar Traynor Cup! Indiana's Dublin beat them by 3 points in the final, he was buffing his medal earlier. Stallion's mate from Tyrone was top scorer in the competition. The Rossies did however pick up the Syferus Fair Play award! Tipp are still complaining about one of their players being called a "twit" in the first round.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 05, 2015, 12:54:13 AM
Jaysus my F5 button is back working in this website.
For ages it did nothing but now it brings up 10 new post at a time.
Lets try it again after this.
That's if I can ever can get it posted
"Sorry Fuzzman but there has been 200 posts since your last whinge Post
just had a quick check, last years under 21 thread only had 29 pages!!!
Quote from: tippabu on May 05, 2015, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 05, 2015, 12:54:13 AM
Jaysus my F5 button is back working in this website.
For ages it did nothing but now it brings up 10 new post at a time.
Lets try it again after this.
That's if I can ever can get it posted
"Sorry Fuzzman but there has been 200 posts since your last whinge Post
just had a quick check, last years under 21 thread only had 29 pages!!!
In fairness there were separate provincial threads last year.
Anyway ive work in the morning...ill be disappointed if we're not on 100 pages by the time i wake up
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 01:05:51 AM
Quote from: tippabu on May 05, 2015, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 05, 2015, 12:54:13 AM
Jaysus my F5 button is back working in this website.
For ages it did nothing but now it brings up 10 new post at a time.
Lets try it again after this.
That's if I can ever can get it posted
"Sorry Fuzzman but there has been 200 posts since your last whinge Post
just had a quick check, last years under 21 thread only had 29 pages!!!
In fairness there were separate provincial threads last year.
ah right, im only new here
I had forgotten just how funny this board can be its amazing how a Tyrone AI win brings out the bitterness. The simple fact is that Tyrone football people no longer care much about the hypocrisy of partisan commentators.
Sligoman you are right, all them wrongs you have seen being done to poor sligo and then you could not see one unsavoury incident in the Ros[tyrone game, well good man and fair play to ya, you call things as you see them, no bias or anything like that there, you should start writing match reports, I for one would love to read them.
And by the way 'it's a long way to Tipperary' is about a whore house in London. It's no wonder yiz took the sign down.
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 01:14:39 AM
And by the way 'it's a long way to Tipperary' is about a whore house in London. It's no wonder yiz took the sign down.
Holy fff... just woke the family up roaring my head off..
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 05, 2015, 01:12:52 AM
Sligoman you are right, all them wrongs you have seen being done to poor sligo and then you could not see one unsavoury incident in the Ros[tyrone game, well good man and fair play to ya, you call things as you see them, no bias or anything like that there, you should start writing match reports, I for one would love to read them.
No bias, I'm the one calling out some truths on the matter.
How about you deal with the issues I put forward because it seem you don't want your own county to adhere to the high standards of sportmanship you expect of opposition teams. I'm only bringing this issue forward as a point of balance. You are getting your knickers in a twist about the way you were beaten but you don't seem to have any comment on the gamesmanship and thuggery Roscommon players and teams have carried out in the recent past.
You're no strangers to dishing the dirt out so it's a bit hard to take when ye get indignant about being on the purported receiving end of it.
Quote from: sligoman on May 05, 2015, 12:56:33 AM
Sligo have played Derry, Down, Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone in the past 15 years of Championship football and have met all Ulster sides in the league. I can't think of any time there were really unsavoury incidents. We've had players like O'Hara who got involved in a lot of incidents and it's perfectly understandable how he would not be looked upon favourably in other counties but at least he did play ball as well for the most part. Seamie O'Neill would generally just run around the pitch after him trying to take his head off when Sligo played Roscommon.
Ah now O'Hara committed the biggest act of thuggery in the 2004 match at the Hyde with the punch to David Casey's crown jewels. He was landed with a good fair bone crunching shoulder by John Whyte after that that soon softened his cough and he got another good shoulder from Whyte in the replay for good measure. Ye were beaten fair and square. All those Roscommon players you mentioned were great players and so was O'Hara. You must not have seen much of Seami O'Neill because in his day he was one of the best fielders and long range point kickers in the game. And as I've said Tyrone beat us fair and square and they were the best U21 team this year. They should be allowed enjoy their victory without all this bitterness and us Connacht lads should take our silly auld bun fights to the Connacht thread. By the way, after the 1980 All-Ireland, the press labelled Roscommon the dirtiest team to every play in an All-Ireland. That was a team that contained Dermot Earley, Tony McManus, Jigger O'Connor - the list is endless of great, skillful players that played beautiful football all year. The dour game, the "foul ridden shambles" as one paper called it was all blamed on the Rossies. Of course it's now known that Pateen Spllane was rolling on the ground looking for his lost contact lense and the ref still gave him a free. Everything is not always as it seems.
Quote from: weareros on May 05, 2015, 02:32:25 AM
Quote from: sligoman on May 05, 2015, 12:56:33 AM
Sligo have played Derry, Down, Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone in the past 15 years of Championship football and have met all Ulster sides in the league. I can't think of any time there were really unsavoury incidents. We've had players like O'Hara who got involved in a lot of incidents and it's perfectly understandable how he would not be looked upon favourably in other counties but at least he did play ball as well for the most part. Seamie O'Neill would generally just run around the pitch after him trying to take his head off when Sligo played Roscommon.
Ah now O'Hara committed the biggest act of thuggery in the 2004 match at the Hyde with the punch to David Casey's crown jewels. He was landed with a good fair bone crunching shoulder by John Whyte after that that soon softened his cough and he got another good shoulder from Whyte in the replay for good measure. Ye were beaten fair and square. All those Roscommon players you mentioned were great players and so was O'Hara. You must not have seen much of Seami O'Neill because in his day he was one of the best fielders and long range point kickers in the game. And as I've said Tyrone beat us fair and square and they were the best U21 team this year. They should be allowed enjoy their victory without all this bitterness and us Connacht lads should take our silly auld bun fights to the Connacht thread. By the way, after the 1980 All-Ireland, the press labelled Roscommon the dirtiest team to every play in an All-Ireland. That was a team that contained Dermot Earley, Tony McManus, Jigger O'Connor - the list is endless of great, skillful players that played beautiful football all year. The dour game, the "foul ridden shambles" as one paper called it was all blamed on the Rossies. Of course it's now known that Pateen Spllane was rolling on the ground looking for his lost contact lense and the ref still gave him a free. Everything is not always as it seems.
Early musta been fair able to dish it out to all the same, I mean is there a great midfielder that wasn't I don't know one
Tohill
O'Se
McDermott
Walsh
McGrane
All total hallions but great footballers, its the nature of the position. Any skills you have will be completely nullified unless your completely ruthless.
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 01:02:33 AM
I've heard it all. We Tyroned the 2010 Connacht final. Sweet lord has this thread fully descended into farce now when you have Sligo lads attacking Roscommon lads about a five year-old senior provincial final on an U21 championship thread.
Tyrone were the best U21 team in Ireland this year. They didn't need to commit so many totally pointlessly dirty acts on the way there, they could have let their talent do the talking. The fact they didn't didn't was depressing to watch at the time and for the sport in general. Sin é.
If you had done that you woulda won with style and panache however your Sligo friends beg to differ
Late in on this one but Tipp displayed a total lack of class in not allowing Logan into the dressing room afterwards,if they weren't good enough on the pitch they should have made it their business to be good enough afterwards.
I daresay if the result went the other way the Tyrone team and management would have acted graciously.
Delighted for Tyrone on multiple levels particularly the fact that so many Tipp Co board blazers seem to be rightly pissed off, always good to see a disgruntled blazer.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 05, 2015, 03:00:59 AM
Quote from: weareros on May 05, 2015, 02:32:25 AM
Quote from: sligoman on May 05, 2015, 12:56:33 AM
Sligo have played Derry, Down, Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone in the past 15 years of Championship football and have met all Ulster sides in the league. I can't think of any time there were really unsavoury incidents. We've had players like O'Hara who got involved in a lot of incidents and it's perfectly understandable how he would not be looked upon favourably in other counties but at least he did play ball as well for the most part. Seamie O'Neill would generally just run around the pitch after him trying to take his head off when Sligo played Roscommon.
Ah, old PJ McGrane.............. What a player.
Ah now O'Hara committed the biggest act of thuggery in the 2004 match at the Hyde with the punch to David Casey's crown jewels. He was landed with a good fair bone crunching shoulder by John Whyte after that that soon softened his cough and he got another good shoulder from Whyte in the replay for good measure. Ye were beaten fair and square. All those Roscommon players you mentioned were great players and so was O'Hara. You must not have seen much of Seami O'Neill because in his day he was one of the best fielders and long range point kickers in the game. And as I've said Tyrone beat us fair and square and they were the best U21 team this year. They should be allowed enjoy their victory without all this bitterness and us Connacht lads should take our silly auld bun fights to the Connacht thread. By the way, after the 1980 All-Ireland, the press labelled Roscommon the dirtiest team to every play in an All-Ireland. That was a team that contained Dermot Earley, Tony McManus, Jigger O'Connor - the list is endless of great, skillful players that played beautiful football all year. The dour game, the "foul ridden shambles" as one paper called it was all blamed on the Rossies. Of course it's now known that Pateen Spllane was rolling on the ground looking for his lost contact lense and the ref still gave him a free. Everything is not always as it seems.
Early musta been fair able to dish it out to all the same, I mean is there a great midfielder that wasn't I don't know one
Tohill
O'Se
McDermott
Walsh
McGrane
All total hallions but great footballers, its the nature of the position. Any skills you have will be completely nullified unless your completely ruthless.
;D Good man sligoman. It might take their mind off everything 'rhubarb' for a few days.
I've a feeling a lot of office time today could be wasted on here around the country.
This thread is only getting started and sadly most of it is no longer about the game itself but for most its about how they perceive Ulster football.
I've asked several times now can those calling us cynical in this game to list out the actual offences they have seen but so far I'm still waiting.
How many of ye have watched the match a second time and slowed down incidents?
I've watched the late sending off about 10 times and still can't see what it was for. It looks like Cassidy raised his two hands and pushed the forward back after he fouled the keeper. The Tipp forward then throws a punch at Cassidy yet the umpire must not have saw that.
I've watched some horrible cynical matches over the years including Dublin, Kerry, Derry and of course Armsgh who with McGeeney at the helm again is basing his whole game plan around it, but that game on Sat was far from being a cynical dirty game.
I think a lot of neutrals wanted Tipp to win and so are rowing in behind them in the pain with their defeat.
I nearly wish it was a replay now so we had another chance to play on a dry day.
Fuzz, had it went to a replay this board would have exploded. To be fair, the Tipp lads on here aren't too bad, its the usual lunatic fringe that has made this thread so enjoyable. But the Hank Traynor cup starts soon so that should occupy a few of them for a while!
Leave Hank out of this.
Has Indiana said anything about how the Dublin based media tore strips off the dubs when they had two biting incidents in the one year?
I'm not commenting in the incidents themselves but how it didn't get much airtime on the media as it wasn't on a live TV game.
Can you imagine the same thing happening in Ballybofey in 2 weeks and the excitement of all you totally brainwashed fools on here. Telling your kids to go on their X boxes as you can't wait to hear what Brolly, Spillane and AN.Other puppet tell you again what to think.
Will Brolly have the balls to say
Howl on, howl on lads. The Dubs did the same thing twice a few years back and it was never mentioned.
Joe holds his earpiece as Producer says the word wages Joe, wages.
I think most sensible Tyrone posters on here are not saying we don't ever bend the rules a little the odd time to close out a game but we have become total scapegoats for the direction our games have gone.
Considering we've won nothing for almost 7 years now I think Donegal and Kerry's style of play may have more influence on where our game has gone.
Ye started it.
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2015, 10:54:51 PM
It's the way sensible analysts speak about Tyrone that irks. AZOffaly said "Tyrone dived, for frees, had a few unsavoury incidents" - it's these baseless comments that are annoying.
When did they dive? Any particular moments that stand out? We all have access to the game so it's easy enough to provide evidence. "a few unsavoury incidents" - any examples? A few?
I watched the game again last night thinking i'd missed something and I could find no examples. The supposed knee incident, if you watch it again, seemed to be an unfortunate consequence of the conditions.
Jaysus this thread has moved on lightning fast. Obviously feelings are running high down here, and the one good thing is the next time they play Tyrone they can't say they are surprised about anything :) I wish they'd stop talking now, and move on. There's a senior championship to be played, the hurling is about to start too, agus beidh lá eile agaibh.
Just to pick up on this post O'Neill, I'm a bit disappointed you didn't quote in context. I believe what I actually said was
Quote"There were a few incidents that were a bit dodgy alright, but when you are playing a tight game between two we'll matched teams in bad conditions, that will always happen. Tyrone dived, for frees, had a few unsavoury incidents and wasted time near the end. How does a goalie get cramp? 😀 Tipperary did exactly the same, apart from the time wasting. In many ways I think that's a mark of the maturity of Tipp football now.
The ref was poor, and I think that certainly added to the diving. He quite clearly decided early on that he wasn't going to ref the conditions. He made up his mind that if you won the ball, or got there first, and then hit the ground it was going to be your free. Both sets of players cottoned on to this quite quickly. "
So, lest there be any confusion about what I said, there were a couple of unsavoury incidents on both sides in my view. The Tipperary Stamp, The Tyrone knee to the head, the Tipperary Punch (which I haven't seen back) and the Tyrone sending off, which I believe was because the Tyrone defender pushed the Tipperary forward into the upright in the goalmouth scramble.
There were a good few dives on both sides in my view. Cathal McShane did the classic loop the arm and drag down on the corner back, and both teams recognised the ref was going to give the benefit to the man in possession given the conditions, and flung themselves to the ground in any sort of contact. Again, both sides. The Tipp wing back did a particularly fine demonstration of this near the end.
I said, and I thought I was clear on this, that Tipperary did EVERYTHING that Tyrone did, apart from the time wasting. And I'm sure they would have done that if the roles were reversed.
I hope that clears up any perception that I think Tyrone were beyond the pale. I don't think I ever said that.
And by the way, just on any perceived anti-northern bias (so-called) in Tipp. The U21 (and senior) coach is Michael McGeehin from Donegal, and the Minor Manager is Charlie McGeever, also from Tir Chonaill.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 10:00:54 AM
And by the way, just on any perceived anti-northern bias (so-called) in Tipp. The U21 (and senior) coach is Michael McGeehin from Donegal, and the Minor Manager is Charlie McGeever, also from Tir Chonaill.
Don't even go there with that one...sure ye know they're not 'real' Nordies!!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 05, 2015, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 10:00:54 AM
And by the way, just on any perceived anti-northern bias (so-called) in Tipp. The U21 (and senior) coach is Michael McGeehin from Donegal, and the Minor Manager is Charlie McGeever, also from Tir Chonaill.
Don't even go there with that one...sure ye know they're not 'real' Nordies!!!
Jaysus, that's very partitionist of ye :) And Donegal have had as bad a rap as anyone recently.
From watching the game I don't remember seeing a 'knee'. I do recall the stamp and the punch though.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 05, 2015, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 01:14:39 AM
And by the way 'it's a long way to Tipperary' is about a whore house in London. It's no wonder yiz took the sign down.
Holy fff... just woke the family up roaring my head off..
I was at a festival in Ghent and I heard a band doing a version called 'It's a long way to tickle Mary'
Tipp wing forward, Lonergan, was on the ground after getting a free. The Tyrone #15, I think, came in and kneed him in the head. Or at least appeared to. It didn't look good.
By the way, among all of this something should be said. None of this is the reason Tipp lost! They lost because they took the wrong options too many times, especially in the last 15 minutes. They lost because they kicked two poor wides from frees, and they lost because they couldn't break down a good Tyrone defence for a goal. They also lost because Tyrone were bloody good, and scored an excellent goal.
Sometimes amidst all the nonsense, you forget the important stuff.
Heard the radio interview with Kevin Mc Stay, Tipp have lost the run of them selves, as bad a losers as I have heard at county level. Must say, there is nothing as I dislike as bad losers.
We are almost at page 100 and no further word from The Stallion. I'm expecting he'll have been speaking with a Tyrone ex-senior county manager who has been physically sick, distraught and considering petitioning the DUP to express his outrage at the recent U21 victory which has brought shame on the county and indeed the entire nationalist community in Ulster. The Stallion's other 'new best friend' Nelson McCausland will propose that Casement Park Now be redeveloped as an Orange Hall and the Penal Laws reintroduced in the North as a consequence.
I heard Mickey Harte is taking the blame personally, and is offering the entire Tyrone senior panel as sacrifice against Donegal in atonement.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 10:38:18 AM
Tipp wing forward, Lonergan, was on the ground after getting a free. The Tyrone #15, I think, came in and kneed him in the head. Or at least appeared to. It didn't look good.
It didn't look good. It contained the same amount of malice as the Tipp stamp in the 1st half. That's a statement of fact but can be interpreted in too wildy different ways. You can protray it as a completely cynical, dirty acts unheard of in the history of the GAA that are a new blight upon our beautiful sporting game. Or you can chalk it down under the list of teams playing football on the very physical limit far below the numerous high profile incidents that have happened in the senior game; Kennelly v Murphy 09, the dubs hospitalising Mickey Ned, Paudi rearranging a Cork man's kidneys before striking him across the face, McDermott on Dooher 96, etc.
And if your from Meath you probably think it was top play, give those lads an all star.
Agree
where did the comment from the bould Syferus go?
???
He must have realised he has posted enough rubbish on this thread and retracted
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 05, 2015, 11:43:31 AM
where did the comment from the bould Syferus go?
???
He must have realised he has posted enough rubbish on this thread and retracted
Decided it was pointless trying to break through the siege mentality that seems to have enveloped this thread.
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 05, 2015, 11:43:31 AM
where did the comment from the bould Syferus go?
???
He must have realised he has posted enough rubbish on this thread and retracted
Decided it was pointless trying to break through the siege mentality that seems to have enveloped this thread.
You are right, there is a siege mentality, and that would be down to Tyrone, and particulary this group of young players, being constantly under attack from the likes of yourself and Indiana throwing baseless accusations around.
You had obviously made up you mind what way the final was going to go and what way Tyrone would play before you watched it, based on your bitterness over the semifinal defeat.
If you really have decided to stop posted on this thread, then your opinion will be no big loss.
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Quote from: shawshank on May 05, 2015, 11:16:25 AM
Heard the radio interview with Kevin Mc Stay, Tipp have lost the run of them selves, as bad a losers as I have heard at county level. Must say, there is nothing as I dislike as bad losers.
there isnt a single person down here who think joe was right in his interview and was for want of a better word embarrassing
The Examiner had a good piece on the fallout from this game today :
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-two-guilty-parties-as-u-21-final-row-rages-328728.html
Quote from: trileacman on May 05, 2015, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 10:38:18 AM
Tipp wing forward, Lonergan, was on the ground after getting a free. The Tyrone #15, I think, came in and kneed him in the head. Or at least appeared to. It didn't look good.
It didn't look good. It contained the same amount of malice as the Tipp stamp in the 1st half. That's a statement of fact but can be interpreted in too wildy different ways. You can protray it as a completely cynical, dirty acts unheard of in the history of the GAA that are a new blight upon our beautiful sporting game. Or you can chalk it down under the list of teams playing football on the very physical limit far below the numerous high profile incidents that have happened in the senior game; Kennelly v Murphy 09, the dubs hospitalising Mickey Ned, Paudi rearranging a Cork man's kidneys before striking him across the face, McDermott on Dooher 96, etc.
And if your from Meath you probably think it was top play, give those lads an all star.
Withdraw that immediately.
He never touched him.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 05, 2015, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 05, 2015, 11:43:31 AM
where did the comment from the bould Syferus go?
???
He must have realised he has posted enough rubbish on this thread and retracted
Decided it was pointless trying to break through the siege mentality that seems to have enveloped this thread.
You are right, there is a siege mentality, and that would be down to Tyrone, and particulary this group of young players, being constantly under attack from the likes of yourself and Indiana throwing baseless accusations around.
You had obviously made up you mind what way the final was going to go and what way Tyrone would play before you watched it, based on your bitterness over the semifinal defeat.
If you really have decided to stop posted on this thread, then your opinion will be no big loss.
I seem to be the one person who is critical of Tyrone's tumble drier off-the-ball tactics that is saying they were the best team regardless, but go on.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2015, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 05, 2015, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 10:38:18 AM
Tipp wing forward, Lonergan, was on the ground after getting a free. The Tyrone #15, I think, came in and kneed him in the head. Or at least appeared to. It didn't look good.
It didn't look good. It contained the same amount of malice as the Tipp stamp in the 1st half. That's a statement of fact but can be interpreted in too wildy different ways. You can protray it as a completely cynical, dirty acts unheard of in the history of the GAA that are a new blight upon our beautiful sporting game. Or you can chalk it down under the list of teams playing football on the very physical limit far below the numerous high profile incidents that have happened in the senior game; Kennelly v Murphy 09, the dubs hospitalising Mickey Ned, Paudi rearranging a Cork man's kidneys before striking him across the face, McDermott on Dooher 96, etc.
And if your from Meath you probably think it was top play, give those lads an all star.
Withdraw that immediately.
He never touched him.
You're right.
It was actually Martin O'Connell ;D
Tumble drier tactics? What's that?
They came out ready to iron?
Even if this thread gets to 1,000 pages, it still only represents the muttering and yapping of an insignifcant few...one of the lads has a wee line under his name which says "if you were any use, you'd be playing"...or something like that.
The more you try and attack, the more we try and defend, and the more we try and defend, the more you try and attack...ultimately there none of us high level coaches or players...maybe some that were and some that could be....but to paraphrase your man "if we had any sense, we'd be working..."
Each to their own and good luck your respective seasons - seasons which now suggest great possibility for every county...getting a run in the qualifiers, getting to a provincial final, last four, all Ireland winner....each team will have a goal and each management team will be doing their best to get as far as they can in their respective tournaments.
Ideally I would like to see tyrone get to an all ireland final and win it, playing beautiful football, the way you all remember your own counties playing it in the golden years, but realistically, Id settle for a better year than last year and a good run in the qualifiers with some of those u21s getting a run at a place.
All irelands dont come along every year - even for kerry. And what our team did at the weekend was fulfil the aspirations of every u21 player on the island....win an all ireland.
I'm happy to let them revel in their greatness even if it may only be for one day
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 01:22:17 PM
Tumble drier tactics? What's that?
*Dryer
Sorry for the typo. The meaning should be self-explanatory.
Sorry, I wasn't picking up on the spelling. I'm genuinely curious. I don't know what you mean by that. I have visions of lads rolling around on the ground fighting or something, but I didn't see much of that on Saturday.
Quote from: mick999 on May 05, 2015, 12:59:25 PM
The Examiner had a good piece on the fallout from this game today :
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-two-guilty-parties-as-u-21-final-row-rages-328728.html
Good article and highlights the fact that Tipp would / could / should have been down to 14 with O'Brien being black carded or red carded which removes a lot of Tipp's arguments.
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 01:22:17 PM
Tumble drier tactics? What's that?
*Dryer
Sorry for the typo. The meaning should be self-explanatory.
spinning people around really quickly?
Quote from: orangeman on May 05, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: mick999 on May 05, 2015, 12:59:25 PM
The Examiner had a good piece on the fallout from this game today :
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-two-guilty-parties-as-u-21-final-row-rages-328728.html
Good article and highlights the fact that Tipp would / could / should have been down to 14 with O'Brien being black carded or red carded which removes a lot of Tipp's arguments.
Yeah, good balanced article
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Sorry, I wasn't picking up on the spelling. I'm genuinely curious. I don't know what you mean by that. I have visions of lads rolling around on the ground fighting or something, but I didn't see much of that on Saturday.
If you saw what McNulty did to Ronan Daly in the semi-final you'd get it. He must have run the gauntlet of everything from strikes to pulling, choking, wrestling on the ground nevermind mouthing. All when Tyrone had the match in the bag. That was the moment I knew there was something deeper to their antics than the usual sledging you see. McNulty couldn't even turn it off when they had the win in the bag.
Tyrone won't listen to anyone that doesn't file it away under 'normal' football behavior but it's hard to make a case that a team with as many cards (many of them black in Ulster) and as many incidents as this Tyrone team had didn't go noticeably beyond what is expected.
They deserved to win but their manner of doing it left a sour taste in a lot of peoples' mouths, it seems.
OK. I still don't really get the tumble drier analogy, but I await Joe Brolly's use of the term during the summer :)
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 05, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
Even if this thread gets to 1,000 pages, it still only represents the muttering and yapping of an insignifcant few...one of the lads has a wee line under his name which says "if you were any use, you'd be playing"...or something like that.
The more you try and attack, the more we try and defend, and the more we try and defend, the more you try and attack...ultimately there none of us high level coaches or players...maybe some that were and some that could be....but to paraphrase your man "if we had any sense, we'd be working..."
Each to their own and good luck your respective seasons - seasons which now suggest great possibility for every county...getting a run in the qualifiers, getting to a provincial final, last four, all Ireland winner....each team will have a goal and each management team will be doing their best to get as far as they can in their respective tournaments.
Ideally I would like to see tyrone get to an all ireland final and win it, playing beautiful football, the way you all remember your own counties playing it in the golden years, but realistically, Id settle for a better year than last year and a good run in the qualifiers with some of those u21s getting a run at a place.
All irelands dont come along every year - even for kerry. And what our team did at the weekend was fulfil the aspirations of every u21 player on the island....win an all ireland.
I'm happy to let them revel in their greatness even if it may only be for one day
Hey! Who are you calling insignificant? I'm a legend in my own mind.
You must never have seen Frankie Dolan or Francie Grehan play Syferus.
Quote from: ONeill on May 05, 2015, 12:27:58 AM
"One of the Tyrone defenders, for 45 mins, smiled at him and talked into his ear. It was scandalous."
Then the journalist talks about Tyrone doing their homework on family members and how they were a disgrace to the organisation.
What a shower.
You have form on the family members thing. Or is your well oiled propaganda machine going to deny that too?
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 05, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
Even if this thread gets to 1,000 pages, it still only represents the muttering and yapping of an insignifcant few...one of the lads has a wee line under his name which says "if you were any use, you'd be playing"...or something like that.
The more you try and attack, the more we try and defend, and the more we try and defend, the more you try and attack...ultimately there none of us high level coaches or players...maybe some that were and some that could be....but to paraphrase your man "if we had any sense, we'd be working..."
Each to their own and good luck your respective seasons - seasons which now suggest great possibility for every county...getting a run in the qualifiers, getting to a provincial final, last four, all Ireland winner....each team will have a goal and each management team will be doing their best to get as far as they can in their respective tournaments.
Ideally I would like to see tyrone get to an all ireland final and win it, playing beautiful football, the way you all remember your own counties playing it in the golden years, but realistically, Id settle for a better year than last year and a good run in the qualifiers with some of those u21s getting a run at a place.
All irelands dont come along every year - even for kerry. And what our team did at the weekend was fulfil the aspirations of every u21 player on the island....win an all ireland.
I'm happy to let them revel in their greatness even if it may only be for one day
Hey! Who are you calling insignificant? I'm a legend in my own mind.
I was obviously thinking of Syferus when i wrote that!!!
100 pages - must watch this game to see what all the fuss is about
Quote from: sligoman on May 05, 2015, 01:49:44 PM
You must never have seen Frankie Dolan or Francie Grehan play Syferus.
I'm glad you brought that up, Karl Mannion repeatedly cleaning David McKenna out of it in mid air in the 2011 AI club final. Curran feigning injury in the 2013 semi, to get a man sent off. Not cynical at all, at all.
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Sorry, I wasn't picking up on the spelling. I'm genuinely curious. I don't know what you mean by that. I have visions of lads rolling around on the ground fighting or something, but I didn't see much of that on Saturday.
If you saw what McNulty did to Ronan Daly in the semi-final you'd get it. He must have run the gauntlet of everything from strikes to pulling, choking, wrestling on the ground nevermind mouthing. All when Tyrone had the match in the bag. That was the moment I knew there was something deeper to their antics than the usual sledging you see. McNulty couldn't even turn it off when they had the win in the bag.
Tyrone won't listen to anyone that doesn't file it away under 'normal' football behavior but it's hard to make a case that a team with as many cards (many of them black in Ulster) and as many incidents as this Tyrone team had didn't go noticeably beyond what is expected.
They deserved to win but their manner of doing it left a sour taste in a lot of peoples' mouths, it seems.
Feck me are you still bleating on about this?? You seem to be the only person who actually did see it! What about all the dirty hoors that have played for you over the years as highlighted by Sligoman last night, I'm sure they were prone to the odd tumble drier?
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 05, 2015, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2015, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 05, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Sorry, I wasn't picking up on the spelling. I'm genuinely curious. I don't know what you mean by that. I have visions of lads rolling around on the ground fighting or something, but I didn't see much of that on Saturday.
If you saw what McNulty did to Ronan Daly in the semi-final you'd get it. He must have run the gauntlet of everything from strikes to pulling, choking, wrestling on the ground nevermind mouthing. All when Tyrone had the match in the bag. That was the moment I knew there was something deeper to their antics than the usual sledging you see. McNulty couldn't even turn it off when they had the win in the bag.
Tyrone won't listen to anyone that doesn't file it away under 'normal' football behavior but it's hard to make a case that a team with as many cards (many of them black in Ulster) and as many incidents as this Tyrone team had didn't go noticeably beyond what is expected.
They deserved to win but their manner of doing it left a sour taste in a lot of peoples' mouths, it seems.
Feck me are you still bleating on about this?? You seem to be the only person who actually did see it! What about all the dirty hoors that have played for you over the years as highlighted by Sligoman last night, I'm sure they were prone to the odd tumble drier?
Quite a number of the Rossies in the stand saw it actually, myself included.
Cynical Rossie hoors ::) - and this at minor level - what are they teaching them at that young age? ::)
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 05, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
Even if this thread gets to 1,000 pages, it still only represents the muttering and yapping of an insignifcant few...one of the lads has a wee line under his name which says "if you were any use, you'd be playing"...or something like that.
The more you try and attack, the more we try and defend, and the more we try and defend, the more you try and attack...ultimately there none of us high level coaches or players...maybe some that were and some that could be....but to paraphrase your man "if we had any sense, we'd be working..."
Each to their own and good luck your respective seasons - seasons which now suggest great possibility for every county...getting a run in the qualifiers, getting to a provincial final, last four, all Ireland winner....each team will have a goal and each management team will be doing their best to get as far as they can in their respective tournaments.
Ideally I would like to see tyrone get to an all ireland final and win it, playing beautiful football, the way you all remember your own counties playing it in the golden years, but realistically, Id settle for a better year than last year and a good run in the qualifiers with some of those u21s getting a run at a place.
All irelands dont come along every year - even for kerry. And what our team did at the weekend was fulfil the aspirations of every u21 player on the island....win an all ireland.
I'm happy to let them revel in their greatness even if it may only be for one day
Ah come on - did you not know that Indiana has loads of All Ireland medals? Giveballacksback played in the Hank Traynor cup and Stallion knows an ex Tyrone county player? What more qualifications do you need?
I see Declan Browne has come out to say well done to Tyrone as worthy winners and for Tipp to accept they were beaten fair and square and to quit engaging in the begrudgery and the sour-grapes to that is embarrassing the county.
Perhaps that will be the end of it from Tipp perspective but no doubt the gobshoites from other counties on here will attempt to keep it going for a while yet.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 05, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal. The two teams were wonderful in appalling conditions but for me the antics in the final 1/4 marred it for me more that the loss. Well done to Tyrone again and for Tipp we need to dust down beat Waterford and get some sort of a run in the championship.
Your views are fair enuff I don't agree with the half of them most likely as we are viewing them through completely different lens. For example I thought Tyrone were the better team in the first half and should have been well ahead AT HALF TIME because the wides they hit were seriously wasteful not to mention McNulty fumbling a ball that would have lead to a certain goal.
Now I did not see any evidence of goading pushing and pulling but I was only watching it on the box, but let me say this, if it did happen it should not have, it stupid and childish and does not help the perpetrators in the slightest.
I remember being found of the old sledging myself as a youth and getting a ferocious rollicking from a manager about it, Did it stop me? Course not, I couldn't help myself when those lough-shore slabbers would start:) did I play better when I didnt do it? Of course I did. It is stupid carryon but you cant tell young lads some things.
However it happens up and down the country every week at all levels and I would doubt very much that it doesn't happen in Tipperary as well. But lets not get carries away you got to live in real world let me tell you about another manager I had at juvenile level that I think he may have had a similar attitude to yourself . We got into a free for all in a friendly and he refused to talk to us he even had his assistant do all the talking at training. This went for a good month, while matches were going on and everything! He was making a point that it was unacceptable but did it stop rows? Course not young lads are as mad as a box of frogs some times.
But thanks for your post and commiserations on your loss, yous played well Saturday and put up a valiant display and done your county proud
Fair play we all have differing opinions and that is what sport is all about. As I said (but it was largely ignored) the game on Saturday was as good as you want to see. I would know most of our lads and while I knew we had a strong team this year I under estimated them but thought they were superb all year. They were beaten by the better team on Saturday although they went mighty close. What I would love to have seen on Saturday is that the pattern of the game in the 1st 45 minutes continued for the final 1/4. If it did actually Tyrone may have won easier we wont ever know. Losing an All Ireland is a bitter pill to swallow as we all know but the last 15 mins makes it even more bitter. As I say we must lick our wounds get up and get going again. The club scene restarts tomorrow night so that will clear the heads a bit. BTW I have a vision of both counties clashing in the senior qualifiers . That would be interesting. Prob the same result but interesting none the less. Enjoy folks.
Is bennyharp the new Oliver Callen? or is he Oliver Twist.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 05, 2015, 12:57:49 AM
Rodman what is there to understand, I have played for and captained Roscommon district league in the oscar traynor cup, I have played underage inter county football, I have won county medals at every age group, and have coached underage club teams, the direction our games have taken is wrong in every way,
this is not the example we should be setting for our young people apart from the fact that what is going on in some gaelic football matches is bordering on criminal and I dont say that lightly or to get advantage or to help make my point, think about it for a minute, leave your allegiances aside for once, would you want your son engaging in these tactics? if your answer is yes there is no more to be said.
I had no idea what the Oscar Traynor cup was so I admit to using google......so those of you who don't know, it is a prestigious soccer tournament somewhere in Roscommon, about 10 grades below league of Ireland. Well done on captaining this team, i'm sure you played lovely free flowing football with not a bit of cynical play or time wasting in sight.....thanks for sharing that with us. But back to the real world, every single team in every sport engages in cynical play and time wasting at some stage. Tyrone did it for the last 5 minutes of an all ireland final while clinging on to a slender lead against an excellent team.....hardly cause for a national up roar.
Enjoying this thread immensely. for the record I don't know who sligoman is but he's makes some interesting points sure enough 😇😇😇😇😇
Even the way the tipp lads in county tracksuits in the stand behind the goals were jumpering Tyrone football's before the game started was not on... so many negatives we could concentrate on..the only thing good about last Saturday night was the great game packed with excitement.
sort of on topic . I went into watch this game in the local GAA club here in Dublin , now I have been in here 100s of times and anytime I went to watch GAA It was on but fook me they weren't showing it. I asked the barman and he just said sorry I've asked and they want the rugby on. I was disgusted tbh genuinely .
Quote from: larryin89 on May 05, 2015, 11:10:59 PM
sort of on topic . I went into watch this game in the local GAA club here in Dublin , now I have been in here 100s of times and anytime I went to watch GAA It was on but fook me they weren't showing it. I asked the barman and he just said sorry I've asked and they want the rugby on. I was disgusted tbh genuinely .
Jackeens? Whatdya expect, sure look at that Indiana boyo ;)
Quote from: orangeman on May 05, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: mick999 on May 05, 2015, 12:59:25 PM
The Examiner had a good piece on the fallout from this game today :
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-two-guilty-parties-as-u-21-final-row-rages-328728.html
Good article and highlights the fact that Tipp would / could / should have been down to 14 with O'Brien being black carded or red carded which removes a lot of Tipp's arguments.
Great article but if you read most of my posts in this thread it is saying exactly what I have been saying the whole time. Both teams guilty of some cynicism but most of Tyrones was in the final 15 mins where they had the experience to close out the game and the clock as he said. Might not be fair in some eyes but its the difference in winning and losing some times. Dubs did it v Mayo in their last AI win yet it is called something else with them.
I posted that it could have been 14 v 15 after 11 mins which would have had a massive negative effect on the game as a contest as MF was Tipps strongest position.
Funny isn't it that when a journalist makes the same points as someone on here its seen as much more balanced and accurate.
I noticed he didn't mention this knee into the head incident and can someone tell me what minute in the game was it as I missed it twice as well?
I'm very pleased he highlighted the Cassidy incident where he got sent off but again he doesn't say what the umpire saw him do but I watched it a few times and can only see him pushing the forward backwards after he fouled the keeper. There seemed very little in it to me but I am biased of course. Cassidy looked perplexed when he got sent off. The umpire seemed adamant it was a yellow card but how he didn't see the huge swing punch is a mystery to me. Biased Umpire? Who knows? Tyrone fans behind him probably gave him a hard time.
Speaking of Tyrone fans I have to say this. I was totally appalled at the booing of frees which probably did cause the Tipp No 13 to miss a few. I was so annoyed I actually shouted out when it went quiet to pack it in we are NOT the Dubs or Donegal lads. A few turned and said well said to me but it made little impact on the mainly younger lads who were the main culprits.
Anyway I'm glad to see the Tipp lads have settled their heads a bit and are more gracious in defeat. I don't think we have been bad winners as there has been so much shite posted about us after this win.
One final controversial point I will raise.
I think a lot of neutrals and even media pundits naturally all wanted Tipperary to win as would I had it not been against Tyrone. I especially noticed here in Dublin a lot of very annoyed Dub fans who seem to hate Tyrone and most things Ulster. I thought about this today and wondered could this be because Dublin finally have an amazing group of talented and athletic footballers who can play very attractive exciting football. However, Jim McGuinness came along a few years ago with a new advanced defensive system where almost soccer style decided to bring nearly everyone behind the ball and let the other team frustrate themselves trying to break down the wall and then when the ball is turned over to play on the break
Having painfully fell on this sword last year, the Dubs now are again worried these tactics is a big obstacle for them winning 5 in a row if not more. Not only have Donegal mastered this now but so have the Dubs biggest rivals Kerry.
Soooooooo....
To see an U21 team come through and beat the team that beat the Dubs and also beat the team the Dubs beat last year in the final, it must be very annoying that this negative style of football is being rewarded by winning an AI on all fronts now.
They see this type of game as the scourge of GAA as they play it so eloquently but they fear now maybe another team who almost beat them in the league can challenge them again later in the year.
Personally I doubt we'll get that far myself but the Dubs are worried.
Tipperary must be the biggest whingers in GAA right now. It's over , youse were beaten ::)
Quote from: sligoman2 on May 05, 2015, 10:25:30 PM
Enjoying this thread immensely. for the record I don't know who sligoman is but he's makes some interesting points sure enough 😇😇😇😇😇
WTF there's 2 of ye, :D
This is the thread that just keeps giving
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 05, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal. The two teams were wonderful in appalling conditions but for me the antics in the final 1/4 marred it for me more that the loss. Well done to Tyrone again and for Tipp we need to dust down beat Waterford and get some sort of a run in the championship.
Your views are fair enuff I don't agree with the half of them most likely as we are viewing them through completely different lens. For example I thought Tyrone were the better team in the first half and should have been well ahead AT HALF TIME because the wides they hit were seriously wasteful not to mention McNulty fumbling a ball that would have lead to a certain goal.
Now I did not see any evidence of goading pushing and pulling but I was only watching it on the box, but let me say this, if it did happen it should not have, it stupid and childish and does not help the perpetrators in the slightest.
I remember being found of the old sledging myself as a youth and getting a ferocious rollicking from a manager about it, Did it stop me? Course not, I couldn't help myself when those lough-shore slabbers would start:) did I play better when I didnt do it? Of course I did. It is stupid carryon but you cant tell young lads some things.
However it happens up and down the country every week at all levels and I would doubt very much that it doesn't happen in Tipperary as well. But lets not get carries away you got to live in real world let me tell you about another manager I had at juvenile level that I think he may have had a similar attitude to yourself . We got into a free for all in a friendly and he refused to talk to us he even had his assistant do all the talking at training. This went for a good month, while matches were going on and everything! He was making a point that it was unacceptable but did it stop rows? Course not young lads are as mad as a box of frogs some times.
But thanks for your post and commiserations on your loss, yous played well Saturday and put up a valiant display and done your county proud
Fair play we all have differing opinions and that is what sport is all about. As I said (but it was largely ignored) the game on Saturday was as good as you want to see. I would know most of our lads and while I knew we had a strong team this year I under estimated them but thought they were superb all year. They were beaten by the better team on Saturday although they went mighty close. What I would love to have seen on Saturday is that the pattern of the game in the 1st 45 minutes continued for the final 1/4. If it did actually Tyrone may have won easier we wont ever know. Losing an All Ireland is a bitter pill to swallow as we all know but the last 15 mins makes it even more bitter. As I say we must lick our wounds get up and get going again. The club scene restarts tomorrow night so that will clear the heads a bit. BTW I have a vision of both counties clashing in the senior qualifiers . That would be interesting. Prob the same result but interesting none the less. Enjoy folks.
Yeah it was a good game although as a supporter I hate tight games I much preferred the 12-point hammerings we used to dish out (which are a distant memory these days). Anyway you are right about the final 1/4 Tyrone did go into their shell to see out the game which is frustrating as I feel they could have kicked on (rose tinted glasses obiviously) and finished with a margin.
BTW this has been a great thread for you introduction on this board, they aren't usually like this. Egos get the better of people and they take the thing far to seriously and go on and on and on.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 06, 2015, 04:06:01 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 05, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal. The two teams were wonderful in appalling conditions but for me the antics in the final 1/4 marred it for me more that the loss. Well done to Tyrone again and for Tipp we need to dust down beat Waterford and get some sort of a run in the championship.
Your views are fair enuff I don't agree with the half of them most likely as we are viewing them through completely different lens. For example I thought Tyrone were the better team in the first half and should have been well ahead AT HALF TIME because the wides they hit were seriously wasteful not to mention McNulty fumbling a ball that would have lead to a certain goal.
Now I did not see any evidence of goading pushing and pulling but I was only watching it on the box, but let me say this, if it did happen it should not have, it stupid and childish and does not help the perpetrators in the slightest.
I remember being found of the old sledging myself as a youth and getting a ferocious rollicking from a manager about it, Did it stop me? Course not, I couldn't help myself when those lough-shore slabbers would start:) did I play better when I didnt do it? Of course I did. It is stupid carryon but you cant tell young lads some things.
However it happens up and down the country every week at all levels and I would doubt very much that it doesn't happen in Tipperary as well. But lets not get carries away you got to live in real world let me tell you about another manager I had at juvenile level that I think he may have had a similar attitude to yourself . We got into a free for all in a friendly and he refused to talk to us he even had his assistant do all the talking at training. This went for a good month, while matches were going on and everything! He was making a point that it was unacceptable but did it stop rows? Course not young lads are as mad as a box of frogs some times.
But thanks for your post and commiserations on your loss, yous played well Saturday and put up a valiant display and done your county proud
Fair play we all have differing opinions and that is what sport is all about. As I said (but it was largely ignored) the game on Saturday was as good as you want to see. I would know most of our lads and while I knew we had a strong team this year I under estimated them but thought they were superb all year. They were beaten by the better team on Saturday although they went mighty close. What I would love to have seen on Saturday is that the pattern of the game in the 1st 45 minutes continued for the final 1/4. If it did actually Tyrone may have won easier we wont ever know. Losing an All Ireland is a bitter pill to swallow as we all know but the last 15 mins makes it even more bitter. As I say we must lick our wounds get up and get going again. The club scene restarts tomorrow night so that will clear the heads a bit. BTW I have a vision of both counties clashing in the senior qualifiers . That would be interesting. Prob the same result but interesting none the less. Enjoy folks.
Yeah it was a good game although as a supporter I hate tight games I much preferred the 12-point hammerings we used to dish out (which are a distant memory these days). Anyway you are right about the final 1/4 Tyrone did go into their shell to see out the game which is frustrating as I feel they could have kicked on (rose tinted glasses obiviously) and finished with a margin.
BTW this has been a great thread for you introduction on this board, they aren't usually like this. Egos get the better of people and they take the thing far to seriously and go on and on and on.
The big thing that I took from the game was that Tyrone were not at their best yet stuck at it and dug out the win. Things weren't going well for them in the first half yet they never dropped the heads. On another day they could have won that game by 6 or 7.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 06, 2015, 09:07:00 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 06, 2015, 04:06:01 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 05, 2015, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 05, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Quote from: Slievenamon on May 04, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal. The two teams were wonderful in appalling conditions but for me the antics in the final 1/4 marred it for me more that the loss. Well done to Tyrone again and for Tipp we need to dust down beat Waterford and get some sort of a run in the championship.
Your views are fair enuff I don't agree with the half of them most likely as we are viewing them through completely different lens. For example I thought Tyrone were the better team in the first half and should have been well ahead AT HALF TIME because the wides they hit were seriously wasteful not to mention McNulty fumbling a ball that would have lead to a certain goal.
Now I did not see any evidence of goading pushing and pulling but I was only watching it on the box, but let me say this, if it did happen it should not have, it stupid and childish and does not help the perpetrators in the slightest.
I remember being found of the old sledging myself as a youth and getting a ferocious rollicking from a manager about it, Did it stop me? Course not, I couldn't help myself when those lough-shore slabbers would start:) did I play better when I didnt do it? Of course I did. It is stupid carryon but you cant tell young lads some things.
However it happens up and down the country every week at all levels and I would doubt very much that it doesn't happen in Tipperary as well. But lets not get carries away you got to live in real world let me tell you about another manager I had at juvenile level that I think he may have had a similar attitude to yourself . We got into a free for all in a friendly and he refused to talk to us he even had his assistant do all the talking at training. This went for a good month, while matches were going on and everything! He was making a point that it was unacceptable but did it stop rows? Course not young lads are as mad as a box of frogs some times.
But thanks for your post and commiserations on your loss, yous played well Saturday and put up a valiant display and done your county proud
Fair play we all have differing opinions and that is what sport is all about. As I said (but it was largely ignored) the game on Saturday was as good as you want to see. I would know most of our lads and while I knew we had a strong team this year I under estimated them but thought they were superb all year. They were beaten by the better team on Saturday although they went mighty close. What I would love to have seen on Saturday is that the pattern of the game in the 1st 45 minutes continued for the final 1/4. If it did actually Tyrone may have won easier we wont ever know. Losing an All Ireland is a bitter pill to swallow as we all know but the last 15 mins makes it even more bitter. As I say we must lick our wounds get up and get going again. The club scene restarts tomorrow night so that will clear the heads a bit. BTW I have a vision of both counties clashing in the senior qualifiers . That would be interesting. Prob the same result but interesting none the less. Enjoy folks.
Yeah it was a good game although as a supporter I hate tight games I much preferred the 12-point hammerings we used to dish out (which are a distant memory these days). Anyway you are right about the final 1/4 Tyrone did go into their shell to see out the game which is frustrating as I feel they could have kicked on (rose tinted glasses obiviously) and finished with a margin.
BTW this has been a great thread for you introduction on this board, they aren't usually like this. Egos get the better of people and they take the thing far to seriously and go on and on and on.
The big thing that I took from the game was that Tyrone were not at their best yet stuck at it and dug out the win. Things weren't going well for them in the first half yet they never dropped the heads. On another day they could have won that game by 6 or 7.
On another day it would have been on Sunday, Monday or Thursday too..............
You can't say that like, what happens if a different Tip team turned up on a different day?????
I suspect you didn't make the trip Tickler but Tyrone kicked 10 sides in the first half and a weird short free kick than went horribly wrong. Considering Tipp should have been down to 14 and losing one of their best players I think Nrico could be justified with his post.
Of course Tipp battled hard too and when two up before the goal I was worried.
The way they came back in the final 5 mins we were very relieved to hear final whistle. I would have settled for a draw and another exciting game between two well matched teams.
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Excuse me please. As a follower of Tipperary football I wish to congratulate Tyrone on a fine win on Saturday evening. We are quiet simply in bits but I am sure they will recover quickly and move on. I want to address the game in an honest way and I suppose a starting point would be to offer sympathy to the family of Tipperary man Dom Browne who sadly passed away at half time.
I thought there were three phases in the game. The opening half was one where Tipp went at Tyrone and were well worth their lead at the break. In fact but for the final few mins of the half we could have went in 4 points up. A wrong option by our centre forward as we led by three was intercepted and Tyrone quickly pointed to reduce the gap to just two at the break. The 3rd 1/4 saw Tyrone absolutely dominate and Tipp struggled to cope with the pace. Tyrone nearly goaled early in the half. Then at two points up a long range free came off the cross bar Tyrone broke pointed and from the kickout scored a brilliant goal.
This then is where Tipp had grumbles. As the goal scorer was being treated the whole mood changed in the game. Throughout the field Tyrone players goaded the Tipp players. Pushing, pulling , laughing in their faces and generally acting in a manner unfitting of the occasion. I have seen rough play down the years and you must accept that. Steven O'Brien was lucky to be left on the field after stamping on an opponent. This was a dirty foul and I would not condone it. But some of the stuff in the last 14 minutes were disgusting. If I thought that either Tipperary or Clonmel Commercials would revert to this it would finish me with football so hopefully that wont happen. The coaches can deny that they coached this way but it is as obvious that once a lead was got we spoil the game. On two occasions in the dying minutes a hugely organised sideline for Tyrone "failed" to get a message to the man being taken off to allow a sub in. The whole lot was orchestrated. Now the incident at the end was not of Tyrones making. Okay a Tyrone man ran an opponent into a goal post but he was dealt with by the ref but failing to throw the ball in is boggling. Throwing it in didnt mean we would have won the throw in but thats not the point.
Now I dont want to come on here and just whinge. I have been as honest as I can and I really enjoyed the game as a spectacle up to the Tyrone goal. The two teams were wonderful in appalling conditions but for me the antics in the final 1/4 marred it for me more that the loss. Well done to Tyrone again and for Tipp we need to dust down beat Waterford and get some sort of a run in the championship.
Your views are fair enuff I don't agree with the half of them most likely as we are viewing them through completely different lens. For example I thought Tyrone were the better team in the first half and should have been well ahead AT HALF TIME because the wides they hit were seriously wasteful not to mention McNulty fumbling a ball that would have lead to a certain goal.
Now I did not see any evidence of goading pushing and pulling but I was only watching it on the box, but let me say this, if it did happen it should not have, it stupid and childish and does not help the perpetrators in the slightest.
I remember being found of the old sledging myself as a youth and getting a ferocious rollicking from a manager about it, Did it stop me? Course not, I couldn't help myself when those lough-shore slabbers would start:) did I play better when I didnt do it? Of course I did. It is stupid carryon but you cant tell young lads some things.
However it happens up and down the country every week at all levels and I would doubt very much that it doesn't happen in Tipperary as well. But lets not get carries away you got to live in real world let me tell you about another manager I had at juvenile level that I think he may have had a similar attitude to yourself . We got into a free for all in a friendly and he refused to talk to us he even had his assistant do all the talking at training. This went for a good month, while matches were going on and everything! He was making a point that it was unacceptable but did it stop rows? Course not young lads are as mad as a box of frogs some times.
But thanks for your post and commiserations on your loss, yous played well Saturday and put up a valiant display and done your county proud
Fair play we all have differing opinions and that is what sport is all about. As I said (but it was largely ignored) the game on Saturday was as good as you want to see. I would know most of our lads and while I knew we had a strong team this year I under estimated them but thought they were superb all year. They were beaten by the better team on Saturday although they went mighty close. What I would love to have seen on Saturday is that the pattern of the game in the 1st 45 minutes continued for the final 1/4. If it did actually Tyrone may have won easier we wont ever know. Losing an All Ireland is a bitter pill to swallow as we all know but the last 15 mins makes it even more bitter. As I say we must lick our wounds get up and get going again. The club scene restarts tomorrow night so that will clear the heads a bit. BTW I have a vision of both counties clashing in the senior qualifiers . That would be interesting. Prob the same result but interesting none the less. Enjoy folks.
Yeah it was a good game although as a supporter I hate tight games I much preferred the 12-point hammerings we used to dish out (which are a distant memory these days). Anyway you are right about the final 1/4 Tyrone did go into their shell to see out the game which is frustrating as I feel they could have kicked on (rose tinted glasses obiviously) and finished with a margin.
BTW this has been a great thread for you introduction on this board, they aren't usually like this. Egos get the better of people and they take the thing far to seriously and go on and on and on.
The big thing that I took from the game was that Tyrone were not at their best yet stuck at it and dug out the win. Things weren't going well for them in the first half yet they never dropped the heads. On another day they could have won that game by 6 or 7.
On another day it would have been on Sunday, Monday or Thursday too..............
You can't say that like, what happens if a different Tip team turned up on a different day?????
Exactly, what if We scored the frees we should really have converted, what if it was a sunny day, what if we had the 4 forwards who were missing. The game was what it was and result is what it is. Anything could have happened if you're going through what ifs
Tyrone missed shooting chance that they would normally not, Tipp missed a free or two. Who are these 4 stars that were missing? Are they really that good and would they have made a difference?
I can understand posters on here letting rip and being unhappy about how th game turned out, though the sour grapes form the Ros and Dubs supporters is laughable. There is a resounding silence when they are asked for any evidence of cynical play.
I can understand journalists promulgating lazy stereotypes, they have deadlines to meet. And again they don't have to produce any evidence, paper never refused ink as they say.
I can understand a county board official barring an opposing manager from the changing rooms, these people arent generally elected for their charisma or brains tbh.
I can understand a county board official going on the radio and having a good oul whinge about getting bate, as most county officials, in my experience, could talk sh*** for ages without any recourse to facts or even common sense.
But for the life of me I just cannot fathom how the manager of a county team could demnstrate such a lack of nous, class and sportmanship after a game. The man has completely lost all credibility. He more or less admitted his team were less street wise, couldnt manage the game as well and were more niave than their opponents i.e. the other team were better coached and managed than our lads. Buffoon.
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Tyrone missed shooting chance that they would normally not, Tipp missed a free or two. Who are these 4 stars that were missing? Are they really that good and would they have made a difference?
The 4 Tipp forwards that were missing were definitely better than the 4 that started in their place. However in the case of at least 2 of them, I think we may have to write them off unfortunately, as they are pursuing soccer scholarships in the US. Colman Kennedy is one of them. You may remember him as the minor that scored the cracking goal against Dublin in the 2011 final. He also scored a few great goals for Tipp in other games as well. He came on as a sub with the Seniors last year, having spent the year away from football until he joined up with our Juniors in the early summer. He played well enough then to get the call up.
More than anything I think the conditions made Saturday a bit of a lottery, so it's hard to say what would happen on a dry day between the same two teams. Sure hopefully we'll have a chance to see as the years go by and these teams meet in senior championships. If Tipp are playing Tyrone in meaningful championship games, then they will be on the right track.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 06, 2015, 10:17:33 AM
Tyrone missed shooting chance that they would normally not, Tipp missed a free or two. Who are these 4 stars that were missing? Are they really that good and would they have made a difference?
I'm just answering the what if question which for me is irrelevant at the end of any game, we knew these lads were all out, 3 of them for the year so not using them as an excuse.
But yeah 2 would have been massive, Coleman Kennedy, he got the winning goal in the 11 minor final and was player of the year in munster in 2012, having seen him a lot for club too he is top class and won't be surprised if he is in with tipp seniors when he's back for the summer. Also az I think his future will be gaa, he has a free ride in the us going to collage through soccer don't think he'll play soccer after that though.
Philip quirke came on in 2011 minor final and changed the game for us, scored 4 from play I think. He is about 6'4" or 5 and is much more than a big target man, very good at taking a score. He's been riddled with injuries though, if he gets a clean run of health again he will be a big player for the seniors in years to come. Both of these would have given us a real threat in our inside forwards that was really lacking.
Greg Henry and John mcgrath, neither would have been game changers but better than what started and we would have been able to go to the bench then and mix it up.
Again not using these lads as an excuse of why we lost the game.
Roll of honour after Saturday night, Tyrone upto joint-third:
1 Cork 11 1970, 1971, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1994, 2007, 2009
2 Kerry 10 1964, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1990, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2008
3 Galway 5 1972, 2002, 2005, 2011, 2013
Tyrone 5 1991, 1992, 2000, 2001, 2015
5 Mayo 4 1967, 1974, 1983, 2006
Dublin 4 2003, 2010, 2012, 2014
7 Roscommon 2 1966, 1978
Derry 2 1968, 1997
Donegal 2 1982, 1987
10 Kildare 1 1965
Down 1 1979
Meath 1 1993
Offaly 1 1988
Westmeath 1 1999
Antrim 1 1969
Armagh 1 2004
As usual rodman your information is wrong, the oscar traynor is an all-ireland competition, each league picks a team from within the teams in their league, ie its an intercounty championship but some counties have more than one league so would enter more than one team ie dublin cork or places with bigger populations, so take your head out of your a.. and dont make sweeping statements like someone has no knowledge of etc and so on and if you need help to google something and get the proper information ask any 2 year old, they obviously know more than you.
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Tyrone missed shooting chance that they would normally not, Tipp missed a free or two. Who are these 4 stars that were missing? Are they really that good and would they have made a difference?
I'm just answering the what if question which for me is irrelevant at the end of any game, we knew these lads were all out, 3 of them for the year so not using them as an excuse.
But yeah 2 would have been massive, Coleman Kennedy, he got the winning goal in the 11 minor final and was player of the year in munster in 2012, having seen him a lot for club too he is top class and won't be surprised if he is in with tipp seniors when he's back for the summer. Also az I think his future will be gaa, he has a free ride in the us going to collage through soccer don't think he'll play soccer after that though.
Philip quirke came on in 2011 minor final and changed the game for us, scored 4 from play I think. He is about 6'4" or 5 and is much more than a big target man, very good at taking a score. He's been riddled with injuries though, if he gets a clean run of health again he will be a big player for the seniors in years to come. Both of these would have given us a real threat in our inside forwards that was really lacking.
Greg Henry and John mcgrath, neither would have been game changers but better than what started and we would have been able to go to the bench then and mix it up.
Again not using these lads as an excuse of why we lost the game.
But tippabu how handy are they with their fists, knees and elbows? That is what they should really be judged on going by yere opposition
I totally believe what Peter Canavan stated in yesterdays indo, he said cynical tactics or sledgeing were not coached by Tyrone, they do not have to, its bred into them.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 06, 2015, 10:17:33 AM
Tyrone missed shooting chance that they would normally not, Tipp missed a free or two. Who are these 4 stars that were missing? Are they really that good and would they have made a difference?
I'm just answering the what if question which for me is irrelevant at the end of any game, we knew these lads were all out, 3 of them for the year so not using them as an excuse.
But yeah 2 would have been massive, Coleman Kennedy, he got the winning goal in the 11 minor final and was player of the year in munster in 2012, having seen him a lot for club too he is top class and won't be surprised if he is in with tipp seniors when he's back for the summer. Also az I think his future will be gaa, he has a free ride in the us going to collage through soccer don't think he'll play soccer after that though.
Philip quirke came on in 2011 minor final and changed the game for us, scored 4 from play I think. He is about 6'4" or 5 and is much more than a big target man, very good at taking a score. He's been riddled with injuries though, if he gets a clean run of health again he will be a big player for the seniors in years to come. Both of these would have given us a real threat in our inside forwards that was really lacking.
Greg Henry and John mcgrath, neither would have been game changers but better than what started and we would have been able to go to the bench then and mix it up.
Again not using these lads as an excuse of why we lost the game.
But tippabu how handy are they with their fists, knees and elbows? That is what they should really be judged on going by yere opposition
Not great, decent enough with their mouths though and pretty certain all are capable Facebook users ;)
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I totally believe what Peter Canavan stated in yesterdays indo, he said cynical tactics or sledgeing were not coached by Tyrone, they do not have to, its bred into them.
Walk into any playschool in Tyrone and it'll be full of toddlers dragging out of each other and roaring their heads off.
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Sure the 21s are masters, it's the toddles he must mean?!!
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 06, 2015, 01:33:41 PM
As usual rodman your information is wrong, the oscar traynor is an all-ireland competition, each league picks a team from within the teams in their league, ie its an intercounty championship but some counties have more than one league so would enter more than one team ie dublin cork or places with bigger populations, so take your head out of your a.. and dont make sweeping statements like someone has no knowledge of etc and so on and if you need help to google something and get the proper information ask any 2 year old, they obviously know more than you.
Im sure you are really proud of your achievements and I'm so glad you have taken the time to share them with us........but what the fcuk has this got to do with anything discussed on this thread?
Are Tipp really saying that they are missing players who are off playing soccer in America? (I wonder did they were good enough to make the Tipperary District League Oscar Traynor cup team?) But if we are going down that route, I could pretty much guarantee that the loss of Conor McKenna of Tyrone to Aussie rules would offset any loss of these lads!
Can we start a thread - 'Get BennyHarp a woman'
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Can we start a thread - 'Get BennyHarp a woman'
That would be some craic! You Derry lads are mental!
No Benny, it's just in terms of the depth available to Tipp. I don't think anyone is saying Tipp were 'short' these lads, it's just a fact that of the players eligible, with a decent shout of playing for Tipp again, 2 of them are in the US and 2 are injured.
I think it's actually a good reflection of Tipp and the development going on. If you think that this bunch won the Munster Minor in 2012 with 4 different starting forwards, all of whom would still be significant contributors, it does speak of a bit of strength in depth.
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Can we start a thread - 'Get BennyHarp a woman'
That would be some craic! You Derry lads are mental!
Ah sure be a bit of craic Brendan. I do admire you Tyrone men and your love of your county :)
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No Benny, it's just in terms of the depth available to Tipp. I don't think anyone is saying Tipp were 'short' these lads, it's just a fact that of the players eligible, with a decent shout of playing for Tipp again, 2 of them are in the US and 2 are injured.
I think it's actually a good reflection of Tipp and the development going on. If you think that this bunch won the Munster Minor in 2012 with 4 different starting forwards, all of whom would still be significant contributors, it does speak of a bit of strength in depth.
Fair points. In saying that, arguably Tyrone's most potent forward of the 2012 Ulster Minor winning team wasn't playing this year and unfortunately probably never will again. On top of that, the star of the last two minor campaigns is over in Australia. Hopefully he will be back soon enough though.
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Can we start a thread - 'Get BennyHarp a woman'
That would be some craic! You Derry lads are mental!
Ah sure be a bit of craic Brendan. I do admire you Tyrone men and your love of your county :)
Ha, I see what you did there!! :D
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Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
No Benny, it's just in terms of the depth available to Tipp. I don't think anyone is saying Tipp were 'short' these lads, it's just a fact that of the players eligible, with a decent shout of playing for Tipp again, 2 of them are in the US and 2 are injured.
I think it's actually a good reflection of Tipp and the development going on. If you think that this bunch won the Munster Minor in 2012 with 4 different starting forwards, all of whom would still be significant contributors, it does speak of a bit of strength in depth.
Fair points. In saying that, arguably Tyrone's most potent forward of the 2012 Ulster Minor winning team wasn't playing this year and unfortunately probably never will again. On top of that, the star of the last two minor campaigns is over in Australia. Hopefully he will be back soon enough though.
That's right. I'm sure every county has players unavailable for whatever reason. That's why I choose to see this as glass half full for Tipp. What's there now is good enough to get to an All Ireland U21. If they others come back in, it's gravy.
And if the conveyer belt keeps churning out players at that level, even if the teams they are a part of don't make or win All Ireland Finals, Tipp seniors will be on track for their targets, which is the important thing. Sustainability rather than flashes in the pan.
Stevie O'Neill, the Canavan brothers, all school teachers, probably a few more...that's where they're getting the Dark Arts sessions. O'Neill gets the Primary school ones, Peter takes them for PE to show them how they actually do it and Pascal takes them for RE to make them repent and cleanse their souls so that each time they take the field they have a clear conscience!!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 06, 2015, 02:43:54 PM
Are Tipp really saying that they are missing players who are off playing soccer in America? (I wonder did they were good enough to make the Tipperary District League Oscar Traynor cup team?) But if we are going down that route, I could pretty much guarantee that the loss of Conor McKenna of Tyrone to Aussie rules would offset any loss of these lads!
If you read back over thread thread or even any of my posts on the matter you'll see where I'm coming from, now let's see if you're able to work it all out for yourself like a good lad or if I need to explain it for you
don't be so touchy Tippabu :) It's all good.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on May 06, 2015, 02:43:54 PM
Are Tipp really saying that they are missing players who are off playing soccer in America? (I wonder did they were good enough to make the Tipperary District League Oscar Traynor cup team?) But if we are going down that route, I could pretty much guarantee that the loss of Conor McKenna of Tyrone to Aussie rules would offset any loss of these lads!
If you read back over thread thread or even any of my posts on the matter you'll see where I'm coming from, now let's see if you're able to work it all out for yourself like a good lad or if I need to explain it for you
This is the sort of quick temper that has you lads phoning your local radio station! Calm down fella, just pointing out one player (and nrico has pointed out another) that would or could have been on the Tyrone U21 team this year.........just like you did with your list.
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Quote from: tippabu on May 06, 2015, 03:02:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 06, 2015, 02:43:54 PM
Are Tipp really saying that they are missing players who are off playing soccer in America? (I wonder did they were good enough to make the Tipperary District League Oscar Traynor cup team?) But if we are going down that route, I could pretty much guarantee that the loss of Conor McKenna of Tyrone to Aussie rules would offset any loss of these lads!
If you read back over thread thread or even any of my posts on the matter you'll see where I'm coming from, now let's see if you're able to work it all out for yourself like a good lad or if I need to explain it for you
This is the sort of quick temper that has you lads phoning your local radio station! Calm down fella, just pointing out one player (and nrico has pointed out another) that would or could have been on the Tyrone U21 team this year.........just like you did with your list.
My list was in reply to someone saying "what if"....."Tyrone could have won by 6/7", so I pointed out how what ifs don't matter and gave a few what ifs, including lads we were missing. He asked me if any of them were really that good and I answered, so to answer your original question, no Tipp lads are not really saying we are missing these lads and cost us the match or anything like that
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2015, 03:01:36 PM
Stevie O'Neill, the Canavan brothers, all school teachers, probably a few more...that's where they're getting the Dark Arts sessions. O'Neill gets the Primary school ones, Peter takes them for PE to show them how they actually do it and Pascal takes them for RE to make them repent and cleanse their souls so that each time they take the field they have a clear conscience!!!
They get confession on the bus home afterwards.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2015, 03:01:36 PM
Stevie O'Neill, the Canavan brothers, all school teachers, probably a few more...that's where they're getting the Dark Arts sessions. O'Neill gets the Primary school ones, Peter takes them for PE to show them how they actually do it and Pascal takes them for RE to make them repent and cleanse their souls so that each time they take the field they have a clear conscience!!!
They get confession on the bus home afterwards.
Don't forget Brian Dooher.........
He takes the young lads then swimming; shows them how to 'dive.'
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46255000/jpg/_46255439_tyrone_cork_harte512.jpg)
Mickey: Brian, we need to take this diving more seriously at underage; the frees are not coming and the other team still finish with 15 men
Doohor: No problem chief. But we better equipment Mickey.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ve618hPiqaY/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: Jinxy on May 06, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2015, 03:01:36 PM
Stevie O'Neill, the Canavan brothers, all school teachers, probably a few more...that's where they're getting the Dark Arts sessions. O'Neill gets the Primary school ones, Peter takes them for PE to show them how they actually do it and Pascal takes them for RE to make them repent and cleanse their souls so that each time they take the field they have a clear conscience!!!
They get confession on the bus home afterwards.
Even Jinxy's flagging after this marathon
Twomey should have left Logan in, apparently Logan was only going into the Tipp dressing room to offer a replay.
God, imagine the whingeing we're going to have to listen to when Tipp are bucked out of the hurling championship
Quote from: red hander on May 06, 2015, 05:37:24 PM
God, imagine the whingeing we're going to have to listen to when Tipp are bucked out of the hurling championship
It'll be a long time before Tyrone are a threat to them there!
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 06, 2015, 06:15:49 PM
Benny Harp is the Tyrone version of syferus, has to comment on everyone else's comment, calm down there, ye won, its ok, take your tablets, ye have a big game on the 17th and the whole of tipperary and roscommon will be supporting ye.
You're some man for attacking in someone else. I don't think I've ever commented negatively on anything you've said and Lord knows I could have.
Sorry about that syf, I agree with you, bennyharp has being trying to trivialise the whole debate, he is just not able to defend the indefensible,the country knows what went on, Tyrone people know what went on, the only way they can deal with it is say every one is against them, I wonder why? Post removed.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 06, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
No Benny, it's just in terms of the depth available to Tipp. I don't think anyone is saying Tipp were 'short' these lads, it's just a fact that of the players eligible, with a decent shout of playing for Tipp again, 2 of them are in the US and 2 are injured.
I think it's actually a good reflection of Tipp and the development going on. If you think that this bunch won the Munster Minor in 2012 with 4 different starting forwards, all of whom would still be significant contributors, it does speak of a bit of strength in depth.
Fair points. In saying that, arguably Tyrone's most potent forward of the 2012 Ulster Minor winning team wasn't playing this year and unfortunately probably never will again. On top of that, the star of the last two minor campaigns is over in Australia. Hopefully he will be back soon enough though.
Didn't McKenna play for Tyrone U21s last year when well beaten by Cavan? Tyrone minors in 2012 were beaten by average Meath side. Credit where credit is due Tyrone management have done a fine job to win this All ireland as arguably more talented Tyrone U21sides with more expectations have flopped in Ulster the last five or so years.
At least Tyrone have managed to do something unprecedented in the recent history of the GAA. Make people feel sympathetic towards Tipperary. ;D
Can we get a summary of the ball acting? Preferably in YouTube form?
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 06, 2015, 06:37:23 PM
Sorry about that syf, I agree with you, bennyharp has being trying to trivialise the whole debate, he is just not able to defend the indefensible,the country knows what went on, Tyrone people know what went on, the only way they can deal with it is say every one is against them, I wonder why? Post removed.
Chill the beans, it's hardly world famine we are discussing! Unfortunately, much of the nonsense contributed to this thread, whilst very enjoyable to read, hardly deserves a reasonable response.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2015, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 06, 2015, 05:37:24 PM
God, imagine the whingeing we're going to have to listen to when Tipp are bucked out of the hurling championship
It'll be a long time before Tyrone are a threat to them there!
Or Offaly, to be fair ;)
Offaly will be there sooner. 😀
Tyrone have a hurler in their midst who would make any offaly team. Just one mind you...he's like our declan browne a diamond in the rough from an era where tipp didn't know if she was blown up or stuffed. Hope the tipp guys at training are enjoying their new Tyrone ball.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 06, 2015, 06:37:23 PM
Sorry about that syf, I agree with you, bennyharp has being trying to trivialise the whole debate, he is just not able to defend the indefensible,the country knows what went on, Tyrone people know what went on, the only way they can deal with it is say every one is against them, I wonder why? Post removed.
Please name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
Quote from: Rodman on May 06, 2015, 10:12:11 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 06, 2015, 06:37:23 PM
Sorry about that syf, I agree with you, bennyharp has being trying to trivialise the whole debate, he is just not able to defend the indefensible,the country knows what went on, Tyrone people know what went on, the only way they can deal with it is say every one is against them, I wonder why? Post removed.
Please name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
1. They are from Tyrone
2. They are from Tyrone
3. They are from Tyrone
Quote from: rrhf on May 06, 2015, 09:23:51 PM
Tyrone have a hurler in their midst who would make any offaly team. Just one mind you...he's like our declan browne a diamond in the rough from an era where tipp didn't know if she was blown up or stuffed. Hope the tipp guys at training are enjoying their new Tyrone ball.
Is Canavan still hurling for Cappagh?
QuotePlease name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
No one can Rodman. In fact they couldn't name one that their own county or club hasn't done. In most cases that's because most haven't played even at club senior level, but in all cases its sour grapes. Declan Browne has called them for what they are.
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 06, 2015, 10:31:35 PM
QuotePlease name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
No one can Rodman. In fact they couldn't name one that their own county or club hasn't done. In most cases that's because most haven't played even at club senior level, but in all cases its sour grapes. Declan Browne has called them for what they are.
hold on now a second, there hasnt been a real mention of the game since tuesday night from a tipp person, its a derry person i think who rodman is talking with
Quote from: tippabu on May 06, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 06, 2015, 10:31:35 PM
QuotePlease name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
No one can Rodman. In fact they couldn't name one that their own county or club hasn't done. In most cases that's because most haven't played even at club senior level, but in all cases its sour grapes. Declan Browne has called them for what they are.
hold on now a second, there hasnt been a real mention of the game since tuesday night from a tipp person, its a derry person i think who rodman is talking with
I have to stick up the Tipp posters on here, I mightnt agree with them on some things but they havent made shit up unlike Roscommon and Dublin posters who just pluck things outta the air. The "Fergal Logan half time delay" by Syfreus was the best of the lot and he is still backin himself about it Hilarious stuff!
It looks like the inbreds have started now too but thats only to be expected
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 06, 2015, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 06, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 06, 2015, 10:31:35 PM
QuotePlease name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
No one can Rodman. In fact they couldn't name one that their own county or club hasn't done. In most cases that's because most haven't played even at club senior level, but in all cases its sour grapes. Declan Browne has called them for what they are.
hold on now a second, there hasnt been a real mention of the game since tuesday night from a tipp person, its a derry person i think who rodman is talking with
I have to stick up the Tipp posters on here, I mightnt agree with them on some things but they havent made shit up unlike Roscommon and Dublin posters who just pluck things outta the air. The "Fergal Logan half time delay" by Syfreus was the best of the lot and he is still backin himself about it Hilarious stuff!
It looks like the inbreds have started now too but thats only to be expected
It says something about how badly you want to avoid genuine talk of Tyrone's play - which is widespread in the GAA community now after the AI final blew the lid off the topic - when that's what you decide talk about.
If you want to stick your head in the sand and think it isn't an issue at all this probably isn't the best place to be.
Quote from: Rodman on May 06, 2015, 10:12:11 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 06, 2015, 06:37:23 PM
Sorry about that syf, I agree with you, bennyharp has being trying to trivialise the whole debate, he is just not able to defend the indefensible,the country knows what went on, Tyrone people know what went on, the only way they can deal with it is say every one is against them, I wonder why? Post removed.
Please name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
1. They managed to get locked out of the other team's dressing room.
2. They united Larryin89 and Roscommon posters.
3. They won.
Quote from: Syferus on May 06, 2015, 11:58:46 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 06, 2015, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 06, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 06, 2015, 10:31:35 PM
QuotePlease name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
No one can Rodman. In fact they couldn't name one that their own county or club hasn't done. In most cases that's because most haven't played even at club senior level, but in all cases its sour grapes. Declan Browne has called them for what they are.
hold on now a second, there hasnt been a real mention of the game since tuesday night from a tipp person, its a derry person i think who rodman is talking with
I have to stick up the Tipp posters on here, I mightnt agree with them on some things but they havent made shit up unlike Roscommon and Dublin posters who just pluck things outta the air. The "Fergal Logan half time delay" by Syfreus was the best of the lot and he is still backin himself about it Hilarious stuff!
It looks like the inbreds have started now too but thats only to be expected
It says something about how badly you want to avoid genuine talk of Tyrone's play - which is widespread in the GAA community now after the AI final blew the lid off the topic - when that's what you decide talk about.
If you want to stick your head in the sand and think it isn't an issue at all this probably isn't the best place to be.
"Blew the lid" your some craic I actually laughed out loud at that one! Cheers
I have talked plenty about Tyrone's fantastic swashbuckling football to genuine posters but those that had a clear agenda to slate Tyrone from the start I'm just called them out on it and had a laugh at.
But speaking of burying heads in the sand you barely even acknowledged Sligoman's accusations let alone answer them. How about you start on that and then acknowledge you had a clear agenda to slate Tyrone from the hammering yous got in the semi and I will begin to take you seriously.
Otherwise...keep it coming its provided me a few good evenings entertainment (sad i know!) so wouldn't mind a few more
I've been watching this thread for a few days and still await someone to clarify what Tyrone players did......
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 06, 2015, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 06, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
No Benny, it's just in terms of the depth available to Tipp. I don't think anyone is saying Tipp were 'short' these lads, it's just a fact that of the players eligible, with a decent shout of playing for Tipp again, 2 of them are in the US and 2 are injured.
I think it's actually a good reflection of Tipp and the development going on. If you think that this bunch won the Munster Minor in 2012 with 4 different starting forwards, all of whom would still be significant contributors, it does speak of a bit of strength in depth.
Fair points. In saying that, arguably Tyrone's most potent forward of the 2012 Ulster Minor winning team wasn't playing this year and unfortunately probably never will again. On top of that, the star of the last two minor campaigns is over in Australia. Hopefully he will be back soon enough though.
Didn't McKenna play for Tyrone U21s last year when well beaten by Cavan? Tyrone minors in 2012 were beaten by average Meath side. Credit where credit is due Tyrone management have done a fine job to win this All ireland as arguably more talented Tyrone U21sides with more expectations have flopped in Ulster the last five or so years.
You are right in saying that there are more talented u-21 sides on paper that have flopped in the last few years. McKenna did play last year in his first year out of minor, still had this season and next too. He would have made some difference to this years team if available, fair play to the team for winning the u-21 title without him. Tyrone were Ulster Minor champions in 2012, had a very good team but played poorly and lost by a point to Meath who went on to beat Mayo and reach the final.
Quote from: Syferus on May 06, 2015, 11:58:46 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 06, 2015, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 06, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 06, 2015, 10:31:35 PM
QuotePlease name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
No one can Rodman. In fact they couldn't name one that their own county or club hasn't done. In most cases that's because most haven't played even at club senior level, but in all cases its sour grapes. Declan Browne has called them for what they are.
hold on now a second, there hasnt been a real mention of the game since tuesday night from a tipp person, its a derry person i think who rodman is talking with
I have to stick up the Tipp posters on here, I mightnt agree with them on some things but they havent made shit up unlike Roscommon and Dublin posters who just pluck things outta the air. The "Fergal Logan half time delay" by Syfreus was the best of the lot and he is still backin himself about it Hilarious stuff!
It looks like the inbreds have started now too but thats only to be expected
It says something about how badly you want to avoid genuine talk of Tyrone's play - which is widespread in the GAA community now after the AI final blew the lid off the topic - when that's what you decide talk about.
If you want to stick your head in the sand and think it isn't an issue at all this probably isn't the best place to be.
Maybe you'll finally address the issues of your former players like O'Neill, Grehan, Dolan and Curran and the acts of thuggery, cynicism, sledging and gamesmanship they engaged in. We know you are loathe to do that though as they were some of the worst perpetrators of underhand tactics at tge time or maybe you're too young to remember. A bit rich of you either way to call other teams out on it but continue to ignore your own county's shame. Maybe some of the Galway lads could fill us in on what Grehan did to Joyce all those years back.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 06, 2015, 07:56:01 PM
At least Tyrone have managed to do something unprecedented in the recent history of the GAA. Make people feel sympathetic towards Tipperary. ;D
That would take some doing alright....
Quote from: rrhf on May 06, 2015, 09:23:51 PM
Tyrone have a hurler in their midst who would make any offaly team. Just one mind you...he's like our declan browne a diamond in the rough from an era where tipp didn't know if she was blown up or stuffed. Hope the tipp guys at training are enjoying their new Tyrone ball.
Care to share a name?
Quote from: Syferus on May 06, 2015, 11:58:46 PM
It says something about how badly you want to avoid genuine talk of Tyrone's play - which is widespread in the GAA community now after the AI final blew the lid off the topic - when that's what you decide talk about.
If you want to stick your head in the sand and think it isn't an issue at all this probably isn't the best place to be.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Yes, "widespread in the GAA community...":
Seán Moran Article (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-s-respect-initiative-improved-by-taking-verbal-abuse-seriously-1.2201072)
Oh wait... Seán Moran actually refers to Tipp as much as ourselves:
"Had Tipperary justifiable grievances about how the match was refereed? On review, not really. If anything they benefited from Fergal Kelly's failure to spot the stamp on Cathal McShane by Steven O'Brien – or the trip before it – as early as the 10th minute. There were also a couple of black card incidents involving players from either side, which went unpunished."You're some laugh hi!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
did anyone notice Adrian Logan couping the whole thing out again last night via YouTube and having the fight with Woolberto on twitter....good old logie only 4 days late this time....let it go dude, just let it go...
Quote from: Syferus on May 06, 2015, 11:58:46 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 06, 2015, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: tippabu on May 06, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 06, 2015, 10:31:35 PM
QuotePlease name 3 incidents that Tyrone did on Saturday evening that other teams do not. And be specific. If you can then you can be taken seriously.
No one can Rodman. In fact they couldn't name one that their own county or club hasn't done. In most cases that's because most haven't played even at club senior level, but in all cases its sour grapes. Declan Browne has called them for what they are.
hold on now a second, there hasnt been a real mention of the game since tuesday night from a tipp person, its a derry person i think who rodman is talking with
I have to stick up the Tipp posters on here, I mightnt agree with them on some things but they havent made shit up unlike Roscommon and Dublin posters who just pluck things outta the air. The "Fergal Logan half time delay" by Syfreus was the best of the lot and he is still backin himself about it Hilarious stuff!
It looks like the inbreds have started now too but thats only to be expected
It says something about how badly you want to avoid genuine talk of Tyrone's play - which is widespread in the GAA community now after the AI final blew the lid off the topic - when that's what you decide talk about.
If you want to stick your head in the sand and think it isn't an issue at all this probably isn't the best place to be.
On the contrary - this debate has laid bare those who have serious anti Tyrone chips on their shoulders and exposed their views as being nothing other than bitter, bigoted and based on media soundbites. Its been interesting to see fair minded posters from other counties, (even Armagh!!) come on here and call bollocks on the usual folk who trot out the usual line regardless of what happened in the game. There has been occasion in past when Tyrone have stepped over the line and its been difficult to defend them, but the U21 final wasn't one of those times. I think a few posters have misjudged the feelings after the game, fuelled by a bit of whinging in Tipperary and flew in with their prejudiced views. They are now looking a little bit silly.
All hell broke loose in Tullamore last night...
07 May 2015
O'Connor Park in Tullamore.
©INPHOThe Leinster Council is set to investigate claims that players were punched, head-butted and even bitten during the post-match brawl that marred last night's Leinster MFC clash between Kildare and Offaly in Tullamore.
The provincial body is expected to use video evidence to identify and punish those involved in the disgraceful scenes which followed Kildare's 0-14 to 0-13 victory. The fracas broke out in front of the terrace side of O'Connor Park and involved players and supporters from both sides.
Speaking on Midlands 103 this morning, Pat Nolan of the Irish Daily Mirror claimed that one of the Offaly players had been bitten on the ear. The player posted a picture of same on his twitter account before later deleting it. Nolan also claimed that some of the Kildare substitutes had started the row by "goading" the opposition after the final whistle.
Offaly manager Keith Begley condemned the violent scenes when speaking to Midlands 103 after the game.
"I just saw people running in. That shouldn't happen," he said after his side's gut-wrenching defeat.
"There's no place for that in football. There were people there running out of the stands to get involved. It's not what we're about and it's not what the players are about.
"Sometimes people wear their badge on their chest. They were very disappointed about how a couple of injustices were done."
Source; Hoganstand
To add some balance, I am now waiting to see how some posters can blame Tyrone for this, considering as we have brought the game to a 'new level' ffs
I've no love for Tyrone but as an Armagh man I feel they're getting unfair criticism over this game (and other games too). sure they committed a few extra frees in the last few minutes but who wouldn't when winning by 1pt in an All Ireland Final, when you get to that stage in a game you will do whatever it takes to win a game and see it out. They were no worse than Tipp during the course of the game and if Tipp had have done a few additional fouls at the end of the game to win there wouldn't be a word about it but because it's Tyrone it's different.
The Tipp management needs to catch themselves on too, v bad sportsmanship and not usually the norm within the GAA. Accept your defeat, congratulate your opponents and move on. The best team won the match and that's the end of it.
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 07, 2015, 01:04:05 PM
All hell broke loose in Tullamore last night...
07 May 2015
O'Connor Park in Tullamore.
©INPHOThe Leinster Council is set to investigate claims that players were punched, head-butted and even bitten during the post-match brawl that marred last night's Leinster MFC clash between Kildare and Offaly in Tullamore.
The provincial body is expected to use video evidence to identify and punish those involved in the disgraceful scenes which followed Kildare's 0-14 to 0-13 victory. The fracas broke out in front of the terrace side of O'Connor Park and involved players and supporters from both sides.
Speaking on Midlands 103 this morning, Pat Nolan of the Irish Daily Mirror claimed that one of the Offaly players had been bitten on the ear. The player posted a picture of same on his twitter account before later deleting it. Nolan also claimed that some of the Kildare substitutes had started the row by "goading" the opposition after the final whistle.
Offaly manager Keith Begley condemned the violent scenes when speaking to Midlands 103 after the game.
"I just saw people running in. That shouldn't happen," he said after his side's gut-wrenching defeat.
"There's no place for that in football. There were people there running out of the stands to get involved. It's not what we're about and it's not what the players are about.
"Sometimes people wear their badge on their chest. They were very disappointed about how a couple of injustices were done."
Source; Hoganstand
To add some balance, I am now waiting to see how some posters can blame Tyrone for this, considering as we have brought the game to a 'new level' ffs
Jasus, The Tyrone lads are saints compared to that. All they did was commit a few frees. Will be interesting the media reporting of this incident. Will RTE be allocating time and resources to discuss this topic ?
Who riffed the game? I thought it was to be Kelly from Longford but it looked like Maher from Westmeath actually did the game?
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 07, 2015, 02:25:34 PM
Who riffed the game? I thought it was to be Kelly from Longford but it looked like Maher from Westmeath actually did the game?
Ze rif wis a bland bistard.
(http://weblogs.nos.nl/berlijn/files/2008/05/allo2.jpg)
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2015, 02:32:49 PM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 07, 2015, 02:25:34 PM
Who riffed the game? I thought it was to be Kelly from Longford but it looked like Maher from Westmeath actually did the game?
Ze rif wis a bland bistard.
(http://weblogs.nos.nl/berlijn/files/2008/05/allo2.jpg)
excellenty
Quote from: Bensars on May 07, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 07, 2015, 01:04:05 PM
All hell broke loose in Tullamore last night...
07 May 2015
O'Connor Park in Tullamore.
©INPHOThe Leinster Council is set to investigate claims that players were punched, head-butted and even bitten during the post-match brawl that marred last night's Leinster MFC clash between Kildare and Offaly in Tullamore.
The provincial body is expected to use video evidence to identify and punish those involved in the disgraceful scenes which followed Kildare's 0-14 to 0-13 victory. The fracas broke out in front of the terrace side of O'Connor Park and involved players and supporters from both sides.
Speaking on Midlands 103 this morning, Pat Nolan of the Irish Daily Mirror claimed that one of the Offaly players had been bitten on the ear. The player posted a picture of same on his twitter account before later deleting it. Nolan also claimed that some of the Kildare substitutes had started the row by "goading" the opposition after the final whistle.
Offaly manager Keith Begley condemned the violent scenes when speaking to Midlands 103 after the game.
"I just saw people running in. That shouldn't happen," he said after his side's gut-wrenching defeat.
"There's no place for that in football. There were people there running out of the stands to get involved. It's not what we're about and it's not what the players are about.
"Sometimes people wear their badge on their chest. They were very disappointed about how a couple of injustices were done."
Source; Hoganstand
To add some balance, I am now waiting to see how some posters can blame Tyrone for this, considering as we have brought the game to a 'new level' ffs
Jasus, The Tyrone lads are saints compared to that. All they did was commit a few frees. Will be interesting the media reporting of this incident. Will RTE be allocating time and resources to discuss this topic ?
If Kildare and Offaly had coached their players in #TheDarkArts systematically, from Go Games onwards, like we do in Tyrone they would have got away with most of that stuff. It is only the more seasoned Tyrone watcher who can identify #TheDarkArts when performed correctly, even if they may not be able to give the rest of us mortals actual details.
Even though the incidents in the minor game are ten times as bad as anything that apparently happened in the Tyrone game, there won't be anywhere near the same sort of reaction or public outcry over this as Tyrone (or a Northern team) weren't involved.
Dark arts? Here you go, what I observed at the game late on all late on:
16 players on the pitch twice necessitating stoppages
overplaying of injuries, serious hand waving from medics...
goalie with cramp (a first in all my years watching many sports)
goalies tee being thrown 20 yards to one side by a player
None serious but just too much of it.
The game is over Tyrone won so onwards
to the senior championship...
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 07, 2015, 04:01:50 PM
Even though the incidents in the minor game are ten times as bad as anything that apparently happened in the Tyrone game, there won't be anywhere near the same sort of reaction or public outcry over this as Tyrone (or a Northern team) weren't involved.
There's a fair bit about in the media today. Not to mention the game wasn't televised so naturally far less people have seen any incidents so hard to comment on something very few people actually saw.
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2015, 02:32:49 PM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 07, 2015, 02:25:34 PM
Who riffed the game? I thought it was to be Kelly from Longford but it looked like Maher from Westmeath actually did the game?
Ze rif wis a bland bistard.
(http://weblogs.nos.nl/berlijn/files/2008/05/allo2.jpg)
;D
Quote from: illdecide on May 07, 2015, 01:16:04 PM
I've no love for Tyrone but as an Armagh man I feel they're getting unfair criticism over this game (and other games too). sure they committed a few extra frees in the last few minutes but who wouldn't when winning by 1pt in an All Ireland Final, when you get to that stage in a game you will do whatever it takes to win a game and see it out. They were no worse than Tipp during the course of the game and if Tipp had have done a few additional fouls at the end of the game to win there wouldn't be a word about it but because it's Tyrone it's different.
The Tipp management needs to catch themselves on too, v bad sportsmanship and not usually the norm within the GAA. Accept your defeat, congratulate your opponents and move on. The best team won the match and that's the end of it.
Far too sensible. Catch yourself on. ;D
Fair play. Much appreciated.
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2015, 09:33:51 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 06, 2015, 07:56:01 PM
At least Tyrone have managed to do something unprecedented in the recent history of the GAA. Make people feel sympathetic towards Tipperary. ;D
That would take some doing alright....
Quote from: rrhf on May 06, 2015, 09:23:51 PM
Tyrone have a hurler in their midst who would make any offaly team. Just one mind you...he's like our declan browne a diamond in the rough from an era where tipp didn't know if she was blown up or stuffed. Hope the tipp guys at training are enjoying their new Tyrone ball.
Care to share a name?
I assume he's talking about the lad Casey, a gem of a hurler
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 07, 2015, 01:04:05 PM
All hell broke loose in Tullamore last night...
07 May 2015
O'Connor Park in Tullamore.
©INPHOThe Leinster Council is set to investigate claims that players were punched, head-butted and even bitten during the post-match brawl that marred last night's Leinster MFC clash between Kildare and Offaly in Tullamore.
The provincial body is expected to use video evidence to identify and punish those involved in the disgraceful scenes which followed Kildare's 0-14 to 0-13 victory. The fracas broke out in front of the terrace side of O'Connor Park and involved players and supporters from both sides.
Speaking on Midlands 103 this morning, Pat Nolan of the Irish Daily Mirror claimed that one of the Offaly players had been bitten on the ear. The player posted a picture of same on his twitter account before later deleting it. Nolan also claimed that some of the Kildare substitutes had started the row by "goading" the opposition after the final whistle.
Offaly manager Keith Begley condemned the violent scenes when speaking to Midlands 103 after the game.
"I just saw people running in. That shouldn't happen," he said after his side's gut-wrenching defeat.
"There's no place for that in football. There were people there running out of the stands to get involved. It's not what we're about and it's not what the players are about.
"Sometimes people wear their badge on their chest. They were very disappointed about how a couple of injustices were done."
Source; Hoganstand
To add some balance, I am now waiting to see how some posters can blame Tyrone for this, considering as we have brought the game to a 'new level' ffs
Kevin Begley is one of Pomeroy Begleys, I think.
Quote from: Throw ball on May 07, 2015, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 07, 2015, 01:16:04 PM
I've no love for Tyrone but as an Armagh man I feel they're getting unfair criticism over this game (and other games too). sure they committed a few extra frees in the last few minutes but who wouldn't when winning by 1pt in an All Ireland Final, when you get to that stage in a game you will do whatever it takes to win a game and see it out. They were no worse than Tipp during the course of the game and if Tipp had have done a few additional fouls at the end of the game to win there wouldn't be a word about it but because it's Tyrone it's different.
The Tipp management needs to catch themselves on too, v bad sportsmanship and not usually the norm within the GAA. Accept your defeat, congratulate your opponents and move on. The best team won the match and that's the end of it.
Fair play
What's it about Tyrone and controversies in finals?
I'm glad this thread has settled down and a few of the usual Northern lads have defended us by saying eey have become the scapegoat.
I've enjoyed this thread immensely because for the first time in years perhaps a lot of people opened up and spoke their mind. Of course many were just wums but a lot of the true anti Tyrone or anti Northern style of play posters have let their true feelings be heard.
Their still seems to be a lot of naivety around that it is enough to play nice open football like Kerry used to or the Dubs currently do to win an AI.
Mr Brolly was a decent corner forward but never had to deal with half the stuff Canavan did. He now looks back with rose tinted glasses thinking the game is now terrible to what it had been.
For years Kerry and Dublin used tit batter the hell out of each other and remember the 12 Apostles match v Galway.
Tyrone in 2003 had to do something massively different to get over the line. The swarm defence we did that year v Kerry was a whole new level of work rate that was needed to get us over the line. Yes for years we had good players like Tipp had last Sat but as the new David v Goliath you need something special up your sleeve. You need to know how to get over that line no matter what. Then after that you can start playing attractive open football like we did in 2005.
Kerry for years knew how to mix the cynical with the beautiful game. With the exception of Dublin no other team really challenged them in the way Tyrone did. I heard Dara O' Cinneide say there recently in Laochra Gael that Kerry lads probably didn't give Armagh or Tyrone the respect they deserved until they retired recently.
I see a few annoyed Rossie and Mayo fans on this thread giving out stink about our tactics and win at all costs attitude. Whilst there are times we do go too far I think ye really wanna have a good look at yourselves and ask what does it take for us to stop being nearly men.
Jim McGuinness took a Donegal team from absolutely nowhere to become almost machine like and ruthless with them playing a way that has changed our game probably forever.
However look at the legacy he has left behind. For a team who used to struggle to get to an Ulster semifinal are now one of the favourites every year for Sam. Brolly and Spillane called them cynical, boring, Shiite footballers but again they now hold no fear to meet Kerry or Dublin.
He who dares wins and there are too many of ye who complain about Kerry and Dublin winning too much but unlike McGuinness ye don't believe your own county could rise from the ashes and beat these teams.
I'll be interested to see if Monaghan this year have learnt the hard lessons of how to win in Croker. I think the fear or respect for the big guns is fading.
Now, who's sister is a...?
Quote from: Armamike on May 07, 2015, 09:47:54 PM
What's it about Tyrone and controversies in finals?
I dunno, tell me (but don't try to argue that youse were cheated out of it in 2003, cos that's not only utter bullshit, it's boring)
QuoteWhat's it about Tyrone and controversies in finals?
They usually beat the favourites despite the odds? Unless of course if it's Kerry when we hand them their arses on a plate!
I see from todays Irish News that Brendan Crossan must have been reading my post ;). Up the Nordies :P
Quote from: illdecide on May 08, 2015, 09:01:33 AM
I see from todays Irish News that Brendan Crossan must have been reading my post ;). Up the Nordies :P
Post her up
I don't really have an issue with anything Tyrone did in that game in terms of fouling or timewasting near the end. I'd expect any team to do that in the same circumstances. It's probably not right, strictly speaking, but there are rules there to punish fouling, and the ref can add time at his discretion as well, so I think that's fair enough.
The one thing I do have a slight problem with, and I'm wondering what the Tyrone lads thoughts on this are? I know a couple of Tyrone lads away from this board who are a bit embarassed about the 'sledging'. Lets be honest it goes beyond the stuff that is always said to try and put you off. I don't think Tyrone need to do it, and I'm sure they are not the only ones and it's not a completely new phenomenon as Liam Hayes will tell you, but they seem to have made an art form out of it. Even Ricey McMenamin agreed some of the stuff he used to say and do went beyond the pale.
I hesitate to bring it up because I don't want to be lumped in as 'having a go at Tyrone'. I admire Tyrone and everything they've managed to achieve. I think they have become extremely streetwise over the last 10-15 years and they are a model for other counties to follow, from their underage set up all the way to establishing yourself at senior level.
So this is a genuine question. And this is for the Tyrone lads not the Tyrone haters!! Do ye think Tyrone engage in close to the bone verbal sledging? If so, do ye think this is ok, or no big deal? And if not, what would you consider to be too close to the bone to say on a field?
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 08, 2015, 09:18:52 AM
I don't really have an issue with anything Tyrone did in that game in terms of fouling or timewasting near the end. I'd expect any team to do that in the same circumstances. It's probably not right, strictly speaking, but there are rules there to punish fouling, and the ref can add time at his discretion as well, so I think that's fair enough.
The one thing I do have a slight problem with, and I'm wondering what the Tyrone lads thoughts on this are? I know a couple of Tyrone lads away from this board who are a bit embarassed about the 'sledging'. Lets be honest it goes beyond the stuff that is always said to try and put you off. I don't think Tyrone need to do it, and I'm sure they are not the only ones and it's not a completely new phenomenon as Liam Hayes will tell you, but they seem to have made an art form out of it. Even Ricey McMenamin agreed some of the stuff he used to say and do went beyond the pale.
I hesitate to bring it up because I don't want to be lumped in as 'having a go at Tyrone'. I admire Tyrone and everything they've managed to achieve. I think they have become extremely streetwise over the last 10-15 years and they are a model for other counties to follow, from their underage set up all the way to establishing yourself at senior level.
So this is a genuine question. And this is for the Tyrone lads not the Tyrone haters!! Do ye think Tyrone engage in close to the bone verbal sledging? If so, do ye think this is ok, or no big deal? And if not, what would you consider to be too close to the bone to say on a field?
What "sledging" was said?
I'm not talking about Saturday specifically. I'm asking a question in general.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
I doubt that's what you really think. I think you think it's more about Roscommon losing to an All-Ireland semi-final to a team they perceived to be inferior, and thereby losing a golden opportunity for All-Ireland success.
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Player safety?
Francie Grehan, Seamus O'Neill?
Quote from: Tubberman on May 08, 2015, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
I doubt that's what you really think. I think you think it's more about Roscommon losing to an All-Ireland semi-final to a team they perceived to be inferior, and thereby losing a golden opportunity for All-Ireland success.
Tyrone would have beaten us without any of that. They were clearly the better team which makes it sadder that they lowered themselves to that level. I was disappointed we lost but I certainly wasn't angry or felt we were robbed.
U21 is usually a grade you come out of cooing about good football and honestly what Tyrone did - mostly off the ball - means that discussion around the grade is now about cynicism and player safety. That's a tad depressing.
I care about the grade and underage as a whole and I'd hate for the willingness to just play ball that a lot of teams display to be replaced by what we saw from Tyrone. In the end everyone will lose if that happens.
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 08, 2015, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
I doubt that's what you really think. I think you think it's more about Roscommon losing to an All-Ireland semi-final to a team they perceived to be inferior, and thereby losing a golden opportunity for All-Ireland success.
Tyrone would have beaten us without any of that. They were clearly the better team which makes it sadder that they lowered themselves to that level.
U21 is usually a grade you come out of cooing about good football and honestly what Tyrone did - mostly off the ball - means that discussion around the grade is now about cynism and player safety. That's a tad depressing.
I care about the grade and underage as a whole and I'd hate for the willingness to just play ball that a lot of teams display to be replaced by what we saw from Tyrone. In the end everyone will lose if that happens.
I take it you must have boycotted Roscommon senior games when they had Grehan, O'Neill, Dolan and Curran in their ranks such is your high moral standards on ethical behaviour on the football field.
This 'sledging' crying is becoming laughable. In all my years of playing sport I have been called everything under the sun. Has it ever bothered me? No. Why would it? Some root slabbering at you constantly is like water of a ducks back. If it gets the better of you then you need to take a look at yourself and how strong you are mentally. It is not a new phenomenon but the buzz word 'sledging' is something that until recently I had only heard with yappy cricket players. There seems to be more complaining about Johnny calling Joey bad names than there does about dirty physical challenges. Every team that plays football or hurling have boys who will slabber to the opposition, with it either being a constant happening to wind them up or put them off or something someone does to a player after scoring. Is it that big of a deal seriously? Were the Tipperary players that bothered by it? Were they completely silent? Going by this thread it would seem that they were like mice and that they are subsequently receiving counselling for post-traumatic stress.
As for Tyrone's conduct in general in the semi-final and final, I would have no issue with it. Were they overly physical or dirty? No. I have never seen as sore a loser on this board as Syferus, for weeks now complaining away about the disgusting behaviour of Tyrone in the All Ireland semi-final. I must have been watching a different match because Tyrone played a blinder that day from start to finish, they were on top in defence and in attack and if the rest of the matches this summer were played like that game there would be very little controversy and happy fans. I would love to ask any of the posters on this board who haven't watched the Roscommon and Tyrone game to go and watch it if you have a spare hour, and come back and state whether or not you think there was anything wrong with the way that game panned out. I just think that its a case of sour grapes from Syferus as for some reason he was expecting Roscommon to progress to the All Ireland final at Tyrone's expense. If a man had any sense then there would be no way I would have been expecting Roscommon to easily account for Tyrone at under-age level (or senior for that matter). Not many Tyrone fans expected anything but a win that day, it actually surprises me at how many Roscommon people seemed to think that they would win.
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Kerry instigated two brawls in injury time In their games against Donegal and Mayo. Did your faux outrage extend to them last year or is it only against teams who knock ye out?
You must be incredibly young, blinkered or delusional to keep this conversation going when you hail from Roscommon. The team ye had about 10 years ago was backboned by thugs, cheats and loudmouths. The last time we played you in a championship game was 2010, where your player consistently went to ground and exaggerated contact when they got the ball in scoring areas. This had to be a tactic as you lacked the quality from open play to break us down. You were equally as cynical with our attack, McDermott had a hold of Kelly all day long. Sligo took that defeat on the chin, we accepted that Roscommon had been that bit cuter and we went in a bit cocky and naive to the way ye would play.
But hearing you bemoan another team who beat you fair and square for the way they played is sickening. You were comprehesively beaten fair and square, move on. Maybe you should hand back the 2010 Nestor Cup if you feel so strongly about fair play.
You are happy to criticise other teams and their actions but you don't want to acknowledge your own county's shame. It's not so long ago you had one of the dirtiest and sneakiest teams in the land.
And all the Connacht lads here will know about the antics of Dolan, Grehan, O, Neill, Curran and Co.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 08, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
This 'sledging' crying is becoming laughable. In all my years of playing sport I have been called everything under the sun. Has it ever bothered me? No. Why would it? Some root slabbering at you constantly is like water of a ducks back. If it gets the better of you then you need to take a look at yourself and how strong you are mentally. It is not a new phenomenon but the buzz word 'sledging' is something that until recently I had only heard with yappy cricket players. There seems to be more complaining about Johnny calling Joey bad names than there does about dirty physical challenges. Every team that plays football or hurling have boys who will slabber to the opposition, with it either being a constant happening to wind them up or put them off or something someone does to a player after scoring. Is it that big of a deal seriously? Were the Tipperary players that bothered by it? Were they completely silent? Going by this thread it would seem that they were like mice and that they are subsequently receiving counselling for post-traumatic stress.
I haven't seen the game so don't have a view on what went on, if anything did, but this opinion, if shared by any other sane person in the GAA is worrying. Of course things are said during games especially in heated games, I've said things myself and certainly been called a few things by others. However, why should we accept players going out from minute one to minute sixty saying things to another player that would have them hospitalised if he said the same in a pub? This is especially repugnant when these cowards yammer away and if the guy reacts and pushes them or makes any minor contact they fling themselves to the ground as if shot. How any GAA man can shrug his shoulders at this ignorant, cowardly, unsportsmanlike behaviour is mind boggling. This behaviour is becoming too common and when you have people defending it then it will only become the norm. I've played football for over 30 years and I never had anyone in my ear from start to finish and wouldn't even cross my mind to do it to someone else. There's a world of difference from telling a forward who just missed an easy score that 'they'll be taking you off soon' and getting into a guys ear about his sister, mother, sexuality, disability etc. for the simple reason of putting him off his game or getting a reaction. If some people can't see the difference they should stay away from the GAA.
I've been called useless, a culchie ****, a smelly f**ker and various other terms of endearment. That's not today or yesterday. I've never had anyone in my ear talking about my girlfriend/wife, mother, brother or sister. And I'm not sure what I'd do if I had.
I'm just wondering what is deemed acceptable at this stage, and is everyone who finds that over the top just a 'whinger'?
Quote from: Zulu on May 08, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 08, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
This 'sledging' crying is becoming laughable. In all my years of playing sport I have been called everything under the sun. Has it ever bothered me? No. Why would it? Some root slabbering at you constantly is like water of a ducks back. If it gets the better of you then you need to take a look at yourself and how strong you are mentally. It is not a new phenomenon but the buzz word 'sledging' is something that until recently I had only heard with yappy cricket players. There seems to be more complaining about Johnny calling Joey bad names than there does about dirty physical challenges. Every team that plays football or hurling have boys who will slabber to the opposition, with it either being a constant happening to wind them up or put them off or something someone does to a player after scoring. Is it that big of a deal seriously? Were the Tipperary players that bothered by it? Were they completely silent? Going by this thread it would seem that they were like mice and that they are subsequently receiving counselling for post-traumatic stress.
I haven't seen the game so don't have a view on what went on, if anything did, but this opinion, if shared by any other sane person in the GAA is worrying. Of course things are said during games especially in heated games, I've said things myself and certainly been called a few things by others. However, why should we accept players going out from minute one to minute sixty saying things to another player that would have them hospitalised if he said the same in a pub? This is especially repugnant when these cowards yammer away and if the guy reacts and pushes them or makes any minor contact they fling themselves to the ground as if shot. How any GAA man can shrug his shoulders at this ignorant, cowardly, unsportsmanlike behaviour is mind boggling. This behaviour is becoming too common and when you have people defending it then it will only become the norm. I've played football for over 30 years and I never had anyone in my ear from start to finish and wouldn't even cross my mind to do it to someone else. There's a world of difference from telling a forward who just missed an easy score that 'they'll be taking you off soon' and getting into a guys ear about his sister, mother, sexuality, disability etc. for the simple reason of putting him off his game or getting a reaction. If some people can't see the difference they should stay away from the GAA.
I agree with this, it's a big problem in the game. but very hard to combat. It isnt though the sole preserve of Tyrone or even northern teams and Gaa supporters and commentators saying it is and 'partitioning' our games is equally distasteful imo.
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHOf3s70w-c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHOf3s70w-c)
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Tipp were also guilty of persistent cynical fouling on McShane from kick-outs and on top of the stamp they also had another player who swung a punch at a player too.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 08, 2015, 12:14:56 PM
Tipp were also guilty of persistent cynical fouling on McShane from kick-outs and on top of the stamp they also had another player who swung a punch at a player too.
I was sitting in the front row (getting soaked) on Sat night, and noticed that when McShane put over a wide from an ambitious distance in the first half, a Tipp player ran at least twenty metres to roar in his face about the miss. Not too classy either and won't have made it on to TV. That was when Tipp were on top on the scoreboard.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 08, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
This 'sledging' crying is becoming laughable. In all my years of playing sport I have been called everything under the sun. Has it ever bothered me? No. Why would it? Some root slabbering at you constantly is like water of a ducks back. If it gets the better of you then you need to take a look at yourself and how strong you are mentally.
In fairness there is sledging and there is sledging. Some lads take it too far when they get personal. Especially when it's about family. I think most players can take a sledging about themselves.
Relax folks Relax. Its all over now.
Your cries for help have been answered. Now go back to your own counties and start preparing for the season ahead
http://tyronetribulations.com/2015/05/07/tyrone-gaa-dark-arts-college-closes-as-senior-team-agree-to-take-hammerings-again/ (http://tyronetribulations.com/2015/05/07/tyrone-gaa-dark-arts-college-closes-as-senior-team-agree-to-take-hammerings-again/)
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Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Catch yourself on. All teams are at it and always have been. Tyrone are no different to any other team. Have you never seen Kerrys golden years - the best footballing team ever and each one of them would have taken your life given half a chance.
And your silence to Sligomans posts directed at you about the Roscommon thugs of yesteryear speaks volumes.
This time last week the Tyrone squad were going through the final dark arts drills. Most knew the modus operandi from earlier development squads.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 08, 2015, 09:18:52 AM
I don't really have an issue with anything Tyrone did in that game in terms of fouling or timewasting near the end. I'd expect any team to do that in the same circumstances. It's probably not right, strictly speaking, but there are rules there to punish fouling, and the ref can add time at his discretion as well, so I think that's fair enough.
The one thing I do have a slight problem with, and I'm wondering what the Tyrone lads thoughts on this are? I know a couple of Tyrone lads away from this board who are a bit embarassed about the 'sledging'. Lets be honest it goes beyond the stuff that is always said to try and put you off. I don't think Tyrone need to do it, and I'm sure they are not the only ones and it's not a completely new phenomenon as Liam Hayes will tell you, but they seem to have made an art form out of it. Even Ricey McMenamin agreed some of the stuff he used to say and do went beyond the pale.
I hesitate to bring it up because I don't want to be lumped in as 'having a go at Tyrone'. I admire Tyrone and everything they've managed to achieve. I think they have become extremely streetwise over the last 10-15 years and they are a model for other counties to follow, from their underage set up all the way to establishing yourself at senior level.
So this is a genuine question. And this is for the Tyrone lads not the Tyrone haters!! Do ye think Tyrone engage in close to the bone verbal sledging? If so, do ye think this is ok, or no big deal? And if not, what would you consider to be too close to the bone to say on a field?
Sure we don't know for sure what is being said. Regardless, sledging never bothered me, sure its done to try and put you off your game. As long as one understands that then it shouldn't put someone off their game....its more likely that the person doing the sledging will be the one to loose focus.
So where do you draw the line with what's acceptable or not , or is there no limits to it all. Deceased members of your family , fair game?
Quote from: larryin89 on May 09, 2015, 12:03:06 AM
So where do you draw the line with what's acceptable or not , or is there no limits to it all. Deceased members of your family , fair game?
Sledging is done to get a reaction, dont react and it will soon become pointless, no matter what is said. Players should be prepared for it and be prepared not to allow it react and affect their game.
So do you really think players are going to the trouble of finding out who is deceased in the family of their direct opponent in odrder to mention it to them during the game? If that happens, then yes, thats not acceptable and players should make those details public knowledge as any player doing that needs psychological help.
Quote from: Rodman on May 08, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Catch yourself on. All teams are at it and always have been. Tyrone are no different to any other team. Have you never seen Kerrys golden years - the best footballing team ever and each one of them would have taken your life given half a chance.
And your silence to Sligomans posts directed at you about the Roscommon thugs of yesteryear speaks volumes.
Some you Tyrone lads are fairly desperate to deflect from this topic if you're clinging onto the words of an alt account made for the express purpose of responding to a single user's posts to validate your point-of-view.
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Rodman on May 08, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Catch yourself on. All teams are at it and always have been. Tyrone are no different to any other team. Have you never seen Kerrys golden years - the best footballing team ever and each one of them would have taken your life given half a chance.
And your silence to Sligomans posts directed at you about the Roscommon thugs of yesteryear speaks volumes.
Some you Tyrone lads are fairly desperate to deflect from this topic if you're clinging onto the words of an alt account made for the express purpose of responding to a single user's posts to validate your point-of-view.
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Lets be fair now, as I said earlier sledging should not happen it is petty and childish, and from my own personal experience detracts more from the perpetrator's game than anyone else.
If Tyrone lads were at it on Saturday they should not have been. I know at least one player on that team who has a bit of a rep for it and he or anyone else who does it needs a good kick up the rear end, as it adds nothing.
If anyone mentioned deceased family members they should get a slap in the mouth, that's what I would have done back in the day anyway. Red card or not, wouldn't care, football is not that important to let something like that go unpunished in my book. I heard a rumour of this actually happening to a Tyrone player during a senior championship game a few years back but don't know if its true or not.
But that's exactly the thing, we don't anything about what is said out there, we know stuff is said but we aren't sure what, so probably best to leave out the speculation.
As far as I am concerned its the same as the street, slagging is all fine and well but we all know there are boundaries (some are fuzzy I admit) and if someone says the wrong thing they should get a slap, unfortunately the end result is unjust in either scenario, on the pitch... a red card, or in the street.... charged with assault or worse.
Ah come on lads, seriously, are we suggesting this is only a Tyrone thing? Some of you fellas really need to catch a grip. I've experienced that sort of nonsense at every level I've played and just laughed it off. The worst culprit bring the current Donegal manager who was quite happy to spit in your face etc to try and put you off your game. I think, once again, it's fairly desperate to be levelling this just at Tyrone.
Syferus, what about those treacherous thugs who played for Roscommon in the past? Any comment yet? I'm seriously beginning to think you may not be old enough to even know who these lads are as you seem to have very little knowledge on the subject!
I think I'll pay close attention to Roscommon games this year to see how well behaved they are.
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Rodman on May 08, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Catch yourself on. All teams are at it and always have been. Tyrone are no different to any other team. Have you never seen Kerrys golden years - the best footballing team ever and each one of them would have taken your life given half a chance.
And your silence to Sligomans posts directed at you about the Roscommon thugs of yesteryear speaks volumes.
Some you Tyrone lads are fairly desperate to deflect from this topic if you're clinging onto the words of an alt account made for the express purpose of responding to a single user's posts to validate your point-of-view.
Your talking sh*te there now,... that might imply you were talking sense at one point so actually I'll start again...
Still talking sh*te, :D.... Speaking for myself I have answered genuine posters read my posts. However you and the like who have a clear vendetta about Tyrone, I have had a laugh at rubbing their faces in it.... but sure if you want to tell yourself that go ahead.
If you can answer Sligoman's post and maybe admit that every county including your own behaves inappropriately at times, and that you were f**ked off that Tyrone hammered yis in the semi so ye decided to troll them on gaaboard, well then maybe then we have the basis for a conversation.
However I don't think that would interest you in the slightest, you prefer to play pious pete. Let me ask you this: Where or what do you think its gonna get ye? Your hypocrisy laughed at a few more times on here, along with a few more insults so you can go, "There you see what they're like, there's all the evidence you need, it quite obvious that they are teaching them the dark arts at a young age in Tyrone"
Actually I have just had a thought......maybe Tyrone people are just better slaggers than the rest of Ireland? Is that it? goin by the evidence on this thread that's the case anyway
It's not just Tyrone who go on with this kind of sh*te, plenty of counties do it. For me, it's unsporting and not part of the game, any type of goading or being in someone's ear for the whole game.
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Rodman on May 08, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Have to say. We all love the under dog! When Meath beat Louth in the 2010 Leinster final we all felt for them. If the shoe was on the other foot. We'd have said wasn't it a good one Louth winning that way. Same rules would have applied if Tipperary had done a Tyrone to Tyrone. We'd all say they did the right thing to close out the game. But it's different when the so called traditional county achieves their goals by adverse means.
In fairness Bunker you're warping the issue most have. Lots of teams close out games by trying to shut up shop but lots of teams don't knee players in head, elbow them in the face or throw them at goal-posts. Tipp were guilty of a stamp in the final but Tyrone's rap sheet this year extends far beyond that and anyone who's trying to isolate the final without the context of the whole campaign is missing the bigger picture. I think this topic is more about player safety than it is about tactics.
Catch yourself on. All teams are at it and always have been. Tyrone are no different to any other team. Have you never seen Kerrys golden years - the best footballing team ever and each one of them would have taken your life given half a chance.
And your silence to Sligomans posts directed at you about the Roscommon thugs of yesteryear speaks volumes.
Some you Tyrone lads are fairly desperate to deflect from this topic if you're clinging onto the words of an alt account made for the express purpose of responding to a single user's posts to validate your point-of-view.
I'm not an alternative account, I have been there first hand throughout the intercounty careers of Grehan, Dolan, Curran and O'Neill - four of your best players who backboned your team for a good 10 years and every one of them behaved like vermin on the pitch, without doubt you were the most hated team in Connacht during that period - for good reason and not because you were successful either.
Ask any of the Connacht lads here, outside Roscommon and I'd say the have plenty of incidents involving these lads that would rankle with them - maybe it might be more of an issue with Sligo or Leitrim lads as we didn't have great success in those times but they were loathsome players. You don't want to acknowledge your shame, fair enough. Don't come on here playing the victim card though when your guys had no issue at all dishing it out through the years.
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I recall playing in a Feile Semi final in 1988/89 and the abuse we received from 'good' Galway folk around Headford was not normal. The crew from Mayo that we played were great too. f**k off back north ye black bastards. Have you any sisters? Shit like that and it was coming from managers nevermind players. It's been happening for years. It's wrong and I agree that if caught players should be censured but when it was happening to us as 13/14 year olds 25 years ago what joke is there?
If I was to compare the Ulster championship with Leinster with a foreigner who never saw the game how would he view them both. In the last 4 or 5 years I've went to quite a few Leinster games and maybe with the exception of Meath v Dubs, all of the rest tend to be very open SOFT football where the underdog knows their place and plays accordingly. Every year they give up home advantage so that they can play in Croker and have no issues with tickets. One of the great things I love about GAA matches is when you go to the away venue and its like a big friendly party.
In Ulster, maybe because of the troubles and what older lads had to go through to get to matches because of the forces etc. but the underdog does anything but lie down and roll over. No disrespect but even a match with Antrim or Fermanagh as Tyrone and Armagh found out at times get up into your faces and fight to win. They lack respect for the so called favourites and put up a big challenge.
Personally I think this is why southerners see Ulster as being different and dirty and cynical.
Hiw we play the game seems to develop more from the North and Kerry and Dublin have copied a lot of tactics and training methods from there.
Dublin would openly admit they had a good look at Tyrone's structures and copied them and improved on them. I sat next to Jim McGuinness at a wedding the year before he got the Donegal job and he talked the whole reception about Mickey Harte and how he changed our beliefs and way we play and told me how he was gonna to the same thing and build on that to another new level.
Therefore to me the game has changed a lot since the noughties and it has become much more tactical and less attractive to watch as many teams have saw the benefits of abandoning the exciting 1v1 man marking to the more flooding your defence with sweepers etc to counteract the influence of outstanding forwards like Gooch etc. It was inevitable this was going to happen in my eyes and I feel very privileged to have seen my own county win AI titles with Canavan and ONeill.
I do envy Dublin's current style of football as I used to take great pride Tyrone playing that way but alas we have just won an U21 title playing a different way.
Yes I wish we didn't do the whole sledging thing as I don't believe its that effective but still looks bad. A bit like fans booing free kicks to put them off. I think this is a much more successful way to stop the other team scoring. Look at Morgan v Donegal the last few years. Donegal have copied the booing free takers from the Dubs and as usual not a word is said about it.
Like the whole Croke park home advantage which they play down, they also play down the booing.
If you're team is a point down in Croker v the Dubs and there is a tough enough angle free in front of the hill. Do you think it's fair enough that 60k dubs boo and jeer to put you off?
Yet just one lad telling you something private about your family is worse and will cause you to miss the shit. I know which I would prefer.
When watching the Donegal v Tyrone game next weekend see can you pick up the hostile atmosphere?
Yeah the whole British angle of sledging really disappointed me too. Very bad form. Would love to see a good sports writer do a balanced article on it all.
Kids and wife just gone off for the day.
I must watch this Roscommon game as it sounds a cracker.
TG4 player here I come.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on May 09, 2015, 11:07:29 AM
Yeah the whole British angle of sledging really disappointed me too. Very bad form. Would love to see a good sports writer do a balanced article on it all.
Kids and wife just gone off for the day.
I must watch this Roscommon game as it sounds a cracker.
TG4 player here I come.
Great idea Fuzz, and I'm wondering if Roscommon are going to score here at all, such is our superiority in the opening stages! :) ;)
Ros vs Tyr (http://www.tg4.tv/play.php?pid=4186119409001&title=GAA%20Beo&series=GAA%20Beo)
Cake, Dolan, O Neill, Grehan, four of the best and cleanest players ever to play for Roscommon, never saw any of them hit a dirty stroke or complain to the ref, as for Sligo in 2010 well they were a joke, fouled all day, had not a clue, played like sligo rovers are playing at the moment, born losers as they always are, but sligo people are not biased in any way and can take their defeats, god knows they are well used to it like ourselves, and they always comment objectively and would not have any issues with any individual county.
Now wheres me old moores almanac.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 09, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
I recall playing in a Feile Semi final in 1988/89 and the abuse we received from 'good' Galway folk around Headford was not normal. The crew from Mayo that we played were great too. f**k off back north ye black b**tards. Have you any sisters? Shit like that and it was coming from managers nevermind players. It's been happening for years. It's wrong and I agree that if caught players should be censured but when it was happening to us as 13/14 year olds 25 years ago what joke is there?
This is true and was the case. It was savage. the worst incident I ever heard of was between 2 successful counties in the late 80s. It was vile and I have only heard of one incident that came close to it since. The most public was the dubs v laois and the scoreboard. That's when we realised that sledging was a serious problem. Indiana can you shed more light on this incident.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
Cake, Dolan, O Neill, Grehan, four of the best and cleanest players ever to play for Roscommon, never saw any of them hit a dirty stroke or complain to the ref, as for Sligo in 2010 well they were a joke, fouled all day, had not a clue, played like sligo rovers are playing at the moment, born losers as they always are, but sligo people are not biased in any way and can take their defeats, god knows they are well used to it like ourselves, and they always comment objectively and would not have any issues with any individual county.
Now wheres me old moores almanac.
Just pointing out Roscommon are in no position to be giving out about the way other team's conduct their affairs given some of the players and tactics they've employed in their recent history.
Does anyone know what criteria the CCCC use to decide whether to suspend a player based on TV evidence.
It it solely depended on the Sunday game or why isn't young OBrien being hauled up for a hearing for his incident last Saturday?
Is it as watery as ah sure its all over now and sure what does it matter?
Are there clear policies in place for reviewing incidents or just when the notion takes them based on media coverage?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 09, 2015, 07:12:52 PM
Does anyone know what criteria the CCCC use to decide whether to suspend a player based on TV evidence.
It it solely depended on the Sunday game or why isn't young OBrien being hauled up for a hearing for his incident last Saturday?
Is it as watery as ah sure its all over now and sure what does it matter?
Are there clear policies in place for reviewing incidents or just when the notion takes them based on media coverage?
Clear politics. All teams are equal, but some teams are more equal than others. I would like to see a list of all senior inter county retrospective suspensions since the CCCCCCCCCs inception.
Quote from: tiempo on May 09, 2015, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 09, 2015, 07:12:52 PM
Does anyone know what criteria the CCCC use to decide whether to suspend a player based on TV evidence.
It it solely depended on the Sunday game or why isn't young OBrien being hauled up for a hearing for his incident last Saturday?
Is it as watery as ah sure its all over now and sure what does it matter?
Are there clear policies in place for reviewing incidents or just when the notion takes them based on media coverage?
Clear politics. All teams are equal, but some teams are more equal than others. I would like to see a list of all senior inter county retrospective suspensions since the CCCCCCCCCs inception.
Ah poor ould Tyrone. Always the victim eh lads. The propaganda machine North Korean dictators would be proud of.
sligoman, 11 posts by you all anti roscommon, not a word about any other county, that 6-18 to 0-12 hammering we gave ye in kiltoom a couple of months ago must really have hit the spot, see ye in sligo on that five a side pitch of yers in 6 weeks time.
Ach we just like talking up north.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 09, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 09, 2015, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 09, 2015, 07:12:52 PM
Does anyone know what criteria the CCCC use to decide whether to suspend a player based on TV evidence.
It it solely depended on the Sunday game or why isn't young OBrien being hauled up for a hearing for his incident last Saturday?
Is it as watery as ah sure its all over now and sure what does it matter?
Are there clear policies in place for reviewing incidents or just when the notion takes them based on media coverage?
Clear politics. All teams are equal, but some teams are more equal than others. I would like to see a list of all senior inter county retrospective suspensions since the CCCCCCCCCs inception.
Ah poor ould Tyrone. Always the victim eh lads. The propaganda machine North Korean dictators would be proud of.
No-one mentioned Tyrone
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 09, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 09, 2015, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 09, 2015, 07:12:52 PM
Does anyone know what criteria the CCCC use to decide whether to suspend a player based on TV evidence.
It it solely depended on the Sunday game or why isn't young OBrien being hauled up for a hearing for his incident last Saturday?
Is it as watery as ah sure its all over now and sure what does it matter?
Are there clear policies in place for reviewing incidents or just when the notion takes them based on media coverage?
Clear politics. All teams are equal, but some teams are more equal than others. I would like to see a list of all senior inter county retrospective suspensions since the CCCCCCCCCs inception.
Ah poor ould Tyrone. Always the victim eh lads. The propaganda machine North Korean dictators would be proud of.
Tell me a chara, how are those hilariously budding Hannibal Lecters coming on? Not that we're paranoid or anything, but I would have thought a lump taken out of you might have been more injurious than a bit of time wasting (and damned if I can find much about it in the press). ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 09, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
I recall playing in a Feile Semi final in 1988/89 and the abuse we received from 'good' Galway folk around Headford was not normal. The crew from Mayo that we played were great too. f**k off back north ye black b**tards. Have you any sisters? Shit like that and it was coming from managers nevermind players. It's been happening for years. It's wrong and I agree that if caught players should be censured but when it was happening to us as 13/14 year olds 25 years ago what joke is there?
The term black bastaids was never spoken in Mayo, you're full of shite .
Indiana, a discussion board is to DISCUSS things and usually somebody asks questions to provoke discussion and mature balanced and of course biased opinions are expressed.
Immature posters who can't think for themselves or don't have any valid counter arguments tend to use childish name calling or mocking tactics.
We have listed several examples of bias against Tyrone and bias for the Dubs with the Dublin based media with especially RTE Sunday game panel having a huge impact on public perception.
Dublin huge fan base are the only county that can continually bring big crowds to Croke park so its in the interest of the GAA that the Dubs are involved as long as possible.
So don't worry Indi, your team will continue to get home matches, a bye to the quarter finals, protection from the media, frees awarded in front of the hill etc etc.
Yes poor Tyrone. The last few years we have to play Donegal/Down away in May in a preliminary round every year and then go round the country as the CCCC deem its unfair we play anyone at home.
In 2005 we played 10 games to win Sam. Kerry played 5.
Fair enough? Yeah we don't really have valid arguments do we?
We have a top player with several all stars who's good name has been dragged through the mud because of Brolly and RTE yet ye have two players who bit other players yet nothing was made of it on the media and most neutrals couldn't even name the lads involved.
I think you would agree biting is much more serious that a rugby tackle yet the biased nature of reporting means we are labeled a cynical team and Dubs are not.
I rest my case you honour.
Yet you have two player
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
sligoman, 11 posts by you all anti roscommon, not a word about any other county, that 6-18 to 0-12 hammering we gave ye in kiltoom a couple of months ago must really have hit the spot, see ye in sligo on that five a side pitch of yers in 6 weeks time.
Couldn't give a damn, we lost fair and square. I'm just here to show the irony in Roscommon lads preaching about the way to play the game. Tyrone beat you fair and square, it was a relatively quiet game with few incidents. Yet you the likes of Syferus and others coming on here cribbing about them and the way they play football. To hear a Roscommon lad criticising another team for how they got themselves over the line is the ultimate in hypocrisy. This could have been nipped in the bud fairly quickly if Syferus tried to address the issue but a bit like yourself, you don't want to talk about Roscommon's shame yet feel it perfectly reasonable to jump on a crusade against another county.
If Syferus was so outraged at the handbags the Tyrone full forward was involved in with the Roscommon player them God help us with what his reaction would have been like with what Grehan and O'Neill used get up to on a football pitch. Of course it's much more likely that his outrage and fear for the way the game is going is merely a pretence for a very bad loser.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 10, 2015, 01:30:31 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 09, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
I recall playing in a Feile Semi final in 1988/89 and the abuse we received from 'good' Galway folk around Headford was not normal. The crew from Mayo that we played were great too. f**k off back north ye black b**tards. Have you any sisters? Shit like that and it was coming from managers nevermind players. It's been happening for years. It's wrong and I agree that if caught players should be censured but when it was happening to us as 13/14 year olds 25 years ago what joke is there?
The term black bastaids was never spoken in Mayo, you're full of shite .
It was also said to me on Croke Park one St Paddys day by a mayo man but I had the last laugh that day too!!
Quote from: sligoman on May 10, 2015, 08:59:12 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
sligoman, 11 posts by you all anti roscommon, not a word about any other county, that 6-18 to 0-12 hammering we gave ye in kiltoom a couple of months ago must really have hit the spot, see ye in sligo on that five a side pitch of yers in 6 weeks time.
Couldn't give a damn, we lost fair and square. I'm just here to show the irony in Roscommon lads preaching about the way to play the game. Tyrone beat you fair and square, it was a relatively quiet game with few incidents. Yet you the likes of Syferus and others coming on here cribbing about them and the way they play football. To hear a Roscommon lad criticising another team for how they got themselves over the line is the ultimate in hypocrisy. This could have been nipped in the bud fairly quickly if Syferus tried to address the issue but a bit like yourself, you don't want to talk about Roscommon's shame yet feel it perfectly reasonable to jump on a crusade against another county.
If Syferus was so outraged at the handbags the Tyrone full forward was involved in with the Roscommon player them God help us with what his reaction would have been like with what Grehan and O'Neill used get up to on a football pitch. Of course it's much more likely that his outrage and fear for the way the game is going is merely a pretence for a very bad loser.
First of all myself and many Roscommon contributors congratulated Tyrone. They were by far the better team, scored amazing points against us and won fair and square.
That said: Don't know if you are a bot or a troll but you leave out one important fact when you refer ad nauseam to past Roscommon county players as thugs. Invariably when the likes of Frankie Dolan stepped out of line (and for the most part it was the same for someone like Eamon O'Hara), they ended up getting hefty suspensions. The last time Frankie Dolan verbally abused an official he got a 48 week ban, later reduced to 20 weeks, still a sizable ban. When he took a swing at a Galway selector who should not have been on the pitch, he was given a 3 month ban. Do most punches we see nowadays get 3 months bans? Does verbal abuse get a 5 month ban?
Of course Tommy Carr (who I remember as a Dublin manager running onto the pitch and verbally abusing a ref and pushing his head in his face) decided to end Frankie's county career and John Maughan too, due to his reputation - so Frankie was given the ultimate ban in the end even though he was still one of the best forwards in Connacht. I would say he had the last laugh when he won an All-Ireland and displayed his footballing skills for all to see. I doubt he is too worried that a keyboard warrior like you has little to contribute other than call him a thug. Grehan was a hard player, not a dirty player. But he once was caught in the act of stamping (even though Galway player in act of sportsmanship denied he was stamped). End result: 3 month ban for Grehan in championship season. Do stamps and real stamps at that we see in games today get 3 months bans? Any bans from the U21 game for instance?
What causes a lot of anger today are players indulging in all sorts of things (stamps, verbal abuse, premeditated elbows into the face and the like) and it results in no bans. They get away with it.
Finally you mentioned earlier Cake's gamesmanship in 2004. What he did was shake Paul Taylor's hand before the penalty? Hardly thuggery. As I mentioned EOH punched David Casey in the balls. Would consider that worse. While he got away with it that time, EOH always found himself getting plenty of suspensions. He was a great player and Rossies supported Sligo in their droves when ye won Connacht in Hyde Park and I was happier than any to see Eamon bury the ball in the net. I just think some counties and some players get picked on because of reputations while lots of others simply get away with it. Very little consistency by the GAA.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 10, 2015, 08:49:22 AM
Indiana, a discussion board is to DISCUSS things and usually somebody asks questions to provoke discussion and mature balanced and of course biased opinions are expressed.
Immature posters who can't think for themselves or don't have any valid counter arguments tend to use childish name calling or mocking tactics.
We have listed several examples of bias against Tyrone and bias for the Dubs with the Dublin based media with especially RTE Sunday game panel having a huge impact on public perception.
Dublin huge fan base are the only county that can continually bring big crowds to Croke park so its in the interest of the GAA that the Dubs are involved as long as possible.
So don't worry Indi, your team will continue to get home matches, a bye to the quarter finals, protection from the media, frees awarded in front of the hill etc etc.
Yes poor Tyrone. The last few years we have to play Donegal/Down away in May in a preliminary round every year and then go round the country as the CCCC deem its unfair we play anyone at home.
In 2005 we played 10 games to win Sam. Kerry played 5.
Fair enough? Yeah we don't really have valid arguments do we?
We have a top player with several all stars who's good name has been dragged through the mud because of Brolly and RTE yet ye have two players who bit other players yet nothing was made of it on the media and most neutrals couldn't even name the lads involved.
I think you would agree biting is much more serious that a rugby tackle yet the biased nature of reporting means we are labeled a cynical team and Dubs are not.
I rest my case you honour.
Yet you have two player
Ah poor ould tyrone. They want a different set of rules for themselves then for everyone else.
For Tyrone football please see the below check-list
- 14 men behind the ball - check
- writing opponents girlfriends phone numbers on their hands and reciting them to opponents in games - check
- sledging and abuse to opponents - check
- refusal to discuss any rule changes- check
- Systemic and deliberately coached fouling patterns during games even to the point of passing fouls around- check
- Complete denial of all the above and a carefully orchestrated advertising campaign designed to actually make the rest of the GAA Community feel at fault for all of Tyrone's shortcomings- check
Good piece from the independent
United by the love of football
Dermot Crowe tells a tale of two strangers whose paths crossed in Parnell Park
Like a lot of people in the GAA, Dom Browne and Owen Roe O'Neill had a great deal in common. They lived around 200 miles apart but on Saturday week last both were headed in the direction of Parnell Park in the hope of seeing their county triumph in the final of the All-Ireland under 21 football championship. Dom Browne travelled with his wife and son from Knockavilla in west Tipperary. Owen Roe O'Neill and his wife left Killyclogher just outside Omagh. They were seated in roughly the same area of the main stand.
The day would have tested any follower's fortitude: grey and sullen, with heavy unrelenting rain. Live television coverage offered a way out but neither man considered that a viable option. Dom Browne was 80 and had a devotion to football impressive in someone from an era steeped in hurling tradition. In 1952, he won an All-Ireland minor hurling medal with Tipperary on a star-studded team that demolished Dublin in the final. A ridiculously precocious half-forward line featured Liam Devaney, Tony Wall and Seán McLoughlin.
In the final, a 9-9 to 2-3 rout of Dublin, Dom scored a goal playing at full-forward. He won a succession of West Tipp senior hurling titles in the '50s. Yet football seemed to cast a spell on him and he travelled frequently to support their county teams. He attended every All-Ireland senior football final since 1948. Earlier this year he was on Tipperary's National League trips to Armagh and Drogheda.
Owen Roe O'Neill turned 68 in March and originally came from Benburb. He also appeared to go against the fashion, showing a preference for hurling in a county where it is a minority sport. In 1966, he won a Tyrone senior hurling championship with Benburb when the club relied on seminarians from the local Priory to fill their teams. Later he moved to Killyclogher and became active in promoting hurling. Two of his sons represented the county in the code, one winning a junior All-Ireland medal. In 2001, his nephew, Ryan O'Neill, won an All-Ireland minor football medal with Tyrone.
Both followers were retired. Dom Browne, named as John on early team sheets but later taking the second name of Dominick, ran a pub and hardware store in Knockavilla that he inherited from his father for a long number of years. In recent years he kept a small farm holding. He was a teetotaller and non-smoker. O'Neill worked as a fireman and had also taken retirement, his eight children reared.
In spite of his passion for football, Browne had to miss the Tipp under 21 semi-final win over Dublin at Tullamore. On Holy Thursday he was walking in the grounds of Rockwell College with his wife, Eileen, when he took ill. As a result he had three stents placed in his heart and made a good recovery. Nothing would stop him going to see Tipp bid to win the title for the first time.
"He decided he was going to go the final, it did not even come into his head to say no," explained his son-in-law John McCormack, a member of the Munster Council refereeing panel. "I was fortunate enough to be with him when the minors won the All-Ireland (football title in 2011) and when Tipperary won the Tommy Murphy (in 2005), those were the two he took great pride in. The tears ran down his face those two days."
For Owen Roe O'Neill, there was the added appeal of having two Killyclogher footballers, the goalkeeper Sean Fox and corner-forward Mark Bradley, on the team facing Tipperary in the under 21 final. He joined the procession from the North to Donnycarney, hoping to see Tyrone become the first winners of the championship since Cormac McAnallen was captain in 2001. Dom Browne, as he usually did, travelled on the Friends of Tipperary Football bus, one of two commissioned for the day. He went with his wife and son John to Cashel and joined the bus there.
"He'd always go to all the away league games, he loved Tipperary football," says Michael Power, the chairman of the Friends of Tipperary Football Association. "A lovely quiet man, himself and his wife Eileen would travel together. Very quiet unassuming man, but he had it at heart - he loved Tipp football. And coming from a hurling background and hurling area as well.
"We parked the buses at St Vincent's GAA club, they put on tea and sandwiches for us when we came up. Dom came in and we were just having a chat with him; I said, 'You are flying now' and he said, 'I wonder how will I be after the match?' He went to all the games. He travelled to most of the away games. He would be a real Tipperary supporter. His passion was the football.
"He just loved, I suppose, the commitment the footballers gave. When you are playing in the lower divisions, you know yourself, it is about the pride they have in the jersey. They wouldn't be in the limelight. Hopefully we will right that." His son-in-law, John, says he fell in love with football: "I don't know what it was. He was a great man for the underdog."
Dom Browne and Owen Roe O'Neill sat down to watch a first half taut with tension and excitement, at the end of which Tipperary led by two points. The teams went off to the shelter of the dressing rooms for their half-time break.
John Browne sat between his mother and father. At some point late in the half his father had placed his hand to his head and said he wasn't feeling well. His son immediately went looking for medical assistance. Before long word circulated that a supporter was receiving attention and a medical emergency was declared. The match would be delayed. Tipp went back out for the second half at one stage but had to return to the dressing room.
"The emergency services, the Guards, were absolutely fabulous," says John McCormack. "Ciarán McDonald, the Tipperary senior footballer, is a doctor and he was near and rushed over and tried to revive him. I think the first time Dom was in Parnell Park, Ciarán was captain of the Tipperary under 21 team against Donegal (2010 All-Ireland semi-final). They spent 30 to 35 minutes trying to resuscitate him."
The wake at Dom Browne's house on Wednesday had people filtering through for six-and-a-half hours. John Costello, on behalf of the Dublin County Board whose offices are situated at Parnell Park, was among the people calling to pay their respects. Never is the GAA family more supportive of one another and above tribal differences than at a time like this. Some years ago at Parnell Park, an umpire suffered a heart attack and the Dublin team doctor, Noel McCaffrey, treated him at the scene. He died later. Never before had the venue experienced a situation where two men suffered cardiac arrest at the same match, within moments of one another.
While Dom Browne was being attended to, Owen Roe O'Neill, who had never previously had heart trouble, also suffered cardiac arrest while seated beside his wife, Mary. The Tyrone team doctor Michael Logan, a brother of the team manager Feargal, went to his aid and after a lengthy effort, managed to revive him. He was taken to hospital where he had a stent placed in his heart and was closely monitored over the following week.
His sister Frances couldn't go to the game. She watched it on television and saw the long delay which placed the match in doubt before it eventually restarted around 40 minutes over schedule.
"He went to Beaumont and then they took him to the Mater and they put a stent in. He got out of intensive care yesterday," she said on Wednesday. "Because of the severity to the collapse they did a brain scan and thank God that has come back ok. He is going for another scan, hoping to do it soon. They need to see if there is any damage to the heart. He may need another stent or pacemaker. He was just very lucky, we are most thankful to everybody - he has four brothers and six sisters. He comes from a big family. So you can imagine when you get a shock like that.
"He has eight children. Five sons, they are all hurlers, three daughters. He has always been very involved in the GAA. As much as he loves football, he is really interested in the hurling. His nephew was nearby and came over.
"The girl beside him was a cardiac nurse out of Beaumont hospital. They were able to get the Tyrone doctor, it was his intervention that brought him back. It was hard work to get him back. It took everything they had. It was just so unfortunate for the other family."
Dom Browne was taken to the city morgue. His son John has spoken of the wonderful compassion shown by gardaí caring for him and his mother while the emergency was under way. Later, the bus that took them to the game waited until they were ready and they travelled back home. Dom Browne died doing what he loved, watching his county football team. He departed as his team led an All-Ireland final against Tyrone and playing some wonderful football. There is some comfort in that for his family.
Michael Power heard the news later that evening. "My daughter was with me at the game, she's an occupational therapist, and she said if you were going to get a heart attack it was probably the best place to get one, lots of people and facilities near, you were near to everything. Everything was done as quickly as possible. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
"He was after missing the win over Dublin, he wasn't at that you see. I think he was adamant he was going to this match one way or the other. It was just before half-time. I think he turned to his son John and said, 'I think I am in trouble'".
Brendan Harkin is secretary of Killyclogher and a Tyrone County Board officer who attended the same game but moved to the other side as the stand had nearly filled when they arrived 40 minutes before throw-in. "Owen does the scoreboard for all the home games. He is very involved in fundraising. He is chairman of the hurling committee of the club.
"The other dimension to this is the defibrillators being available is as a result of the legacy of Cormac McAnallen. As a result of that, every ground has one, every club in Tyrone has one. The interesting thing there is Owen Roe played for Benburb, it is beside Cormac, they are practically neighbours. It was Cormac's legacy's that helped save his life."
McAnallen's brother, Donal, was at the match. "I was within 20 yards of the man who died," he says. He also knows the man who survived. "He is one of the longest-serving hurling disciples left in Tyrone."
Dom Browne was buried in Knockavilla on Thursday, where he was life president of the local Kickhams GAA club. "He was stuck in the heart of it there, with the GAA and having the pub and shop over so many years," says club chairman Tony Farrell. "A great man to go to all matches."
His son-in-law, John, says that it would have mortified him "to think he would have held up the match for half an hour - he would not want to be the centre of attention. He wouldn't be looking for any headlines."
A neighbour and former local school principal Danny Morrissey, described him as "a GAA man though and through since his childhood. He retired I'd say from the game at about 25, which was very young at the time. I was very friendly with him as a young lad, he was the type of person who always had time to talk to everybody, especially about the GAA.
"He was a great admirer of the Down team that came in 1960 and '61, I remember as a young lad he telling me all about them and how good they were. So his football interest in not new to me, I am not surprised by it. It is very much a hurling country around here. I doubt if he played football himself.
"I can remember as a young lad, Dominick talking to me about Patsy O'Hagan, a very stylish Down footballer of the time, and Dom was very taken by him. He took me on my first trip to Croke Park in 1968, the All-Ireland against Wexford. He loved social dancing. I had a couple of family bereavements and he was a great man to attend these events. He was very, very loyal in that respect."
Nobody really had a bad word to say about John 'Dom' Browne. And nobody, certainly, could accuse him of being a sunshine supporter. He was loyal as they come. Loyal to the last. Tipperary and the GAA have lost a true follower.
Was just about to post that.
Lovely article.
Now larrin89 knows how much I love Mayo but I can honestly say this, in over 50 years attending ros-mayo clashes at county and club I never had an issue with either their players or supporters other than their annoying chants of mayooooo mayooooo when they are beating the lard out of us. Mayo and Galway are our biggest opponents and the teams we really love to beat but they are salt of the earth gaa supporters whom I have the height of respect for, the abuse given to them here to justify northern thuggery is untrue and unwarranted.
Quote from: weareros on May 10, 2015, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: sligoman on May 10, 2015, 08:59:12 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
sligoman, 11 posts by you all anti roscommon, not a word about any other county, that 6-18 to 0-12 hammering we gave ye in kiltoom a couple of months ago must really have hit the spot, see ye in sligo on that five a side pitch of yers in 6 weeks time.
Couldn't give a damn, we lost fair and square. I'm just here to show the irony in Roscommon lads preaching about the way to play the game. Tyrone beat you fair and square, it was a relatively quiet game with few incidents. Yet you the likes of Syferus and others coming on here cribbing about them and the way they play football. To hear a Roscommon lad criticising another team for how they got themselves over the line is the ultimate in hypocrisy. This could have been nipped in the bud fairly quickly if Syferus tried to address the issue but a bit like yourself, you don't want to talk about Roscommon's shame yet feel it perfectly reasonable to jump on a crusade against another county.
If Syferus was so outraged at the handbags the Tyrone full forward was involved in with the Roscommon player them God help us with what his reaction would have been like with what Grehan and O'Neill used get up to on a football pitch. Of course it's much more likely that his outrage and fear for the way the game is going is merely a pretence for a very bad loser.
First of all myself and many Roscommon contributors congratulated Tyrone. They were by far the better team, scored amazing points against us and won fair and square.
That said: Don't know if you are a bot or a troll but you leave out one important fact when you refer ad nauseam to past Roscommon county players as thugs. Invariably when the likes of Frankie Dolan stepped out of line (and for the most part it was the same for someone like Eamon O'Hara), they ended up getting hefty suspensions. The last time Frankie Dolan verbally abused an official he got a 48 week ban, later reduced to 20 weeks, still a sizable ban. When he took a swing at a Galway selector who should not have been on the pitch, he was given a 3 month ban. Do most punches we see nowadays get 3 months bans? Does verbal abuse get a 5 month ban?
Of course Tommy Carr (who I remember as a Dublin manager running onto the pitch and verbally abusing a ref and pushing his head in his face) decided to end Frankie's county career and John Maughan too, due to his reputation - so Frankie was given the ultimate ban in the end even though he was still one of the best forwards in Connacht. I would say he had the last laugh when he won an All-Ireland and displayed his footballing skills for all to see. I doubt he is too worried that a keyboard warrior like you has little to contribute other than call him a thug. Grehan was a hard player, not a dirty player. But he once was caught in the act of stamping (even though Galway player in act of sportsmanship denied he was stamped). End result: 3 month ban for Grehan in championship season. Do stamps and real stamps at that we see in games today get 3 months bans? Any bans from the U21 game for instance?
What causes a lot of anger today are players indulging in all sorts of things (stamps, verbal abuse, premeditated elbows into the face and the like) and it results in no bans. They get away with it.
Finally you mentioned earlier Cake's gamesmanship in 2004. What he did was shake Paul Taylor's hand before the penalty? Hardly thuggery. As I mentioned EOH punched David Casey in the balls. Would consider that worse. While he got away with it that time, EOH always found himself getting plenty of suspensions. He was a great player and Rossies supported Sligo in their droves when ye won Connacht in Hyde Park and I was happier than any to see Eamon bury the ball in the net. I just think some counties and some players get picked on because of reputations while lots of others simply get away with it. Very little consistency by the GAA.
I'm just adding balance to an argument, Syferus bemoaning the way Tyrone behaved on the field of play is a little bit rich when Roscommon had players who regularly crossed the line. You talk about Roscommon players not getting away with it? You could clearly hear some of the things Dolan would call the referee in matches, if he paid the ultimate price in the end it was a long time coming. Curran would do anything and everything to get inside an opponent's head. It wasn't just shaking his hand, he delayed the penalty by about two minutes and the aim was to put a player off his game, it is gamesmanship and I accept that is part of it, I'm simply bringing these incidents up as a point of balance.
In 2004 Seamie O'Neill levelled O'Hara with a punch right after the final whistle in full view of the referee he got away with it, I don't think I saw a match involving Roscommon where O'Neill wasn't throwing punches at an opposition player. It was hard to pick out who was a bigger thug between himself and Grehan but again I'm only bringing these incidents and examples up as a point of balance - Roscommon people are in no position to lecture other counties about the wrongs of cynicism, diving, cheating, gamesmanship and even defensive football with they way ye lined out against Armagh last year.
Good post weareros. The Tyrone performance v ros was awesome and they deserved to win by more, I hope our coaches learn loads fom this defeat. Tyrone coaches were excellent and performed their duties very well. I did not think the interview performed by Logan after this game was necessary ie his rant about southern media bias. Thought they deserved to beat tip in the final, the goal was worked and taken very well by the excellent mcshane, a player with a great attitude.
Regarding sligoman, your comments and bias towards ros are petty. Sufferus is best ignored, o hara sledged o Neil calling him farmer Dan, because of an interview he did with the farmers journal, o Neil thumped him, proper order. O hara is an awful gobshite, he goaded the Mayo midfielder in the Connacht final 2012 and came out with a bloodied nose. Your comments about the 4 ros players were uncalled for, we fully deserved to win the 2010 game. Ros are not considered to be dirty, chit most of the time, but not dirty.
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2015, 04:52:43 PM
Good post weareros. The Tyrone performance v ros was awesome and they deserved to win by more, I hope our coaches learn loads fom this defeat. Tyrone coaches were excellent and performed their duties very well. I did not think the interview performed by Logan after this game was necessary ie his rant about southern media bias. Thought they deserved to beat tip in the final, the goal was worked and taken very well by the excellent mcshane, a player with a great attitude.
Regarding sligoman, your comments and bias towards ros are petty. Sufferus is best ignored, o hara sledged o Neil calling him farmer Dan, because of an interview he did with the farmers journal, o Neil thumped him, proper order. O hara is an awful gobshite, he goaded the Mayo midfielder in the Connacht final 2012 and came out with a bloodied nose. Your comments about the 4 ros players were uncalled for, we fully deserved to win the 2010 game. Ros are not considered to be dirty, chit most of the time, but not dirty.
I have no problem with certain people having views on O'Hara, he went out and sought an awful lot of bother. I won't argue with that.
I do have a problem with a lot of the Roscommon lads here drawing issue with another team's antics when they had a team who regularly crossed the line and used underhand tactics to get their results. You think it's proper order than O'Neill thumped O'Hara for calling him a farmer? I suppose you think there was a mitigating factor with regards the dirty act Grehan pulled on Joyce? Maybe that says a lot about the Roscommon victim mentality. Let's call a spade a spade. Grehan and O'Neill were dirty players who committed thuggish acts throughout their career. I'm sure if you asked any of the other Connacht lads here they'd wouldn't share too many nice words for them.
Sligoman, not sure your a Sligoman but most of your points i do remember so maybe you are but your best off not saying anything like this, your outnumbered and even if you are right or wrong whats the point? There is none, its just a waste of your time. The Rossies on here are largely the soundest bunch and it was painful defeat for them nothing for us to get involved in.
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2015, 04:52:43 PM
Good post weareros. The Tyrone performance v ros was awesome and they deserved to win by more, I hope our coaches learn loads fom this defeat. Tyrone coaches were excellent and performed their duties very well. I did not think the interview performed by Logan after this game was necessary ie his rant about southern media bias. Thought they deserved to beat tip in the final, the goal was worked and taken very well by the excellent mcshane, a player with a great attitude.
Regarding sligoman, your comments and bias towards ros are petty. Sufferus is best ignored, o hara sledged o Neil calling him farmer Dan, because of an interview he did with the farmers journal, o Neil thumped him, proper order. O hara is an awful gobshite, he goaded the Mayo midfielder in the Connacht final 2012 and came out with a bloodied nose. Your comments about the 4 ros players were uncalled for, we fully deserved to win the 2010 game. Ros are not considered to be dirty, chit most of the time, but not dirty.
You say I'm best ignored and you proceed to respond to a troll account. Jesus wept.
What's the topic of this thread again, Rudi? Roscommon 'Dirty Acts' 1998-2004? Really? Because I could have sworn it was about this year's U21 football championship.
should be called sour grapes in your case buddy.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
Ah poor ould tyrone. They want a different set of rules for themselves then for everyone else.
For Tyrone football please see the below check-list
- 14 men behind the ball - check
- writing opponents girlfriends phone numbers on their hands and reciting them to opponents in games - check
- sledging and abuse to opponents - check
- refusal to discuss any rule changes- check
- Systemic and deliberately coached fouling patterns during games even to the point of passing fouls around- check
- Complete denial of all the above and a carefully orchestrated advertising campaign designed to actually make the rest of the GAA Community feel at fault for all of Tyrone's shortcomings- check
Awe, poor diddums, and those mean, nasty nordies coming down here with their win at almost all costs attitude, polluting the boys in blue purity of it all.
Seriously, what a pathetic and pitiful post, straight from the Brolly school of clinically objective analysis. Get a grip.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
Ah poor ould tyrone. They want a different set of rules for themselves then for everyone else.
For Tyrone football please see the below check-list
- 14 men behind the ball - check
- writing opponents girlfriends phone numbers on their hands and reciting them to opponents in games - check
- sledging and abuse to opponents - check
- refusal to discuss any rule changes- check
- Systemic and deliberately coached fouling patterns during games even to the point of passing fouls around- check
- Complete denial of all the above and a carefully orchestrated advertising campaign designed to actually make the rest of the GAA Community feel at fault for all of Tyrone's shortcomings- check
Daz really brings out the white too don't you think?
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Quote from: giveballaghback on May 10, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
Now larrin89 knows how much I love Mayo but I can honestly say this, in over 50 years attending ros-mayo clashes at county and club I never had an issue with either their players or supporters other than their annoying chants of mayooooo mayooooo when they are beating the lard out of us. Mayo and Galway are our biggest opponents and the teams we really love to beat but they are salt of the earth gaa supporters whom I have the height of respect for, the abuse given to them here to justify northern thuggery is untrue and unwarranted.
you have made me glad Tyrone have won an AI, for that i will never forgive you.
Feck off Charlie, we don't need your type in our corner! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:21:53 PM
Feck off Charlie, we don't need your type in our corner! ;)
too late brother. im with ya.
Serious question. If a player is running forward with the ball at pace and a guy comes towards him to tackle and he let's the ball slip out of his hands going forward and lands in a team mate's hands. Is that throw ball?
No.
Great article there about the two true Gaels from last Saturday and thanks for posting it up as I would have missed it.
I was annoyed at the game with loads of people around me giving out about the delay and how cold it was for them. I said yes it is but there must be something very serious wrong for such a long delay. I thought someone should have made an announcement to let people know.
They sound like true long serving Gaels who were proud of their counties.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 10, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
Serious question. If a player is running forward with the ball at pace and a guy comes towards him to tackle and he let's the ball slip out of his hands going forward and lands in a team mate's hands. Is that throw ball?
I was wondering that myself. I don't think it is because it's a miscontrolled ball, rather than a pass, but I know the incident you are referring to and I thought it was a throw at the time.
Quote from: sligoman on May 10, 2015, 05:13:07 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2015, 04:52:43 PM
Good post weareros. The Tyrone performance v ros was awesome and they deserved to win by more, I hope our coaches learn loads fom this defeat. Tyrone coaches were excellent and performed their duties very well. I did not think the interview performed by Logan after this game was necessary ie his rant about southern media bias. Thought they deserved to beat tip in the final, the goal was worked and taken very well by the excellent mcshane, a player with a great attitude.
Regarding sligoman, your comments and bias towards ros are petty. Sufferus is best ignored, o hara sledged o Neil calling him farmer Dan, because of an interview he did with the farmers journal, o Neil thumped him, proper order. O hara is an awful gobshite, he goaded the Mayo midfielder in the Connacht final 2012 and came out with a bloodied nose. Your comments about the 4 ros players were uncalled for, we fully deserved to win the 2010 game. Ros are not considered to be dirty, chit most of the time, but not dirty.
I have no problem with certain people having views on O'Hara, he went out and sought an awful lot of bother. I won't argue with that.
I do have a problem with a lot of the Roscommon lads here drawing issue with another team's antics when they had a team who regularly crossed the line and used underhand tactics to get their results. You think it's proper order than O'Neill thumped O'Hara for calling him a farmer? I suppose you think there was a mitigating factor with regards the dirty act Grehan pulled on Joyce? Maybe that says a lot about the Roscommon victim mentality. Let's call a spade a spade. Grehan and O'Neill were dirty players who committed thuggish acts throughout their career. I'm sure if you asked any of the other Connacht lads here they'd wouldn't share too many nice words for them.
There was another fella from that era you could include Sligoman, Higgins I think he name was. The other 4 you mention were also good footballers. This fella just seemed to revel in assaulting the opposition players.
Quote from: charlieTully on May 10, 2015, 08:14:51 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 10, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
Now larrin89 knows how much I love Mayo but I can honestly say this, in over 50 years attending ros-mayo clashes at county and club I never had an issue with either their players or supporters other than their annoying chants of mayooooo mayooooo when they are beating the lard out of us. Mayo and Galway are our biggest opponents and the teams we really love to beat but they are salt of the earth gaa supporters whom I have the height of respect for, the abuse given to them here to justify northern thuggery is untrue and unwarranted.
you have made me glad Tyrone have won an AI, for that i will never forgive you.
Ha ha. What's seldom is wonderful for Tyrone. Enjoy it lads in ten years time you can pretend it was Sam Maguire
Problem is Sligoman no contributor from any of the other 3 connacht counties have endorsed your remarks, post them a few more times and you might get someone to back up your biased views, keep going you are keeping the nordies happy and justifying their so called footballing systems.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 11, 2015, 10:33:34 PM
Problem is Sligoman no contributor from any of the other 3 connacht counties have endorsed your remarks, post them a few more times and you might get someone to back up your biased views, keep going you are keeping the nordies happy and justifying their so called footballing systems.
Feckin hell, are you still banging on about this? I admire your committment to keep this thread about the great Tyrone win at the top of the page.
Cavanagh's sledging concern
19 May 2015
Sean Cavanagh is worried that the sledging epidemic prevalent in gaelic football could damage players' mental health.
Admitting that both Tyrone and Donegal were equally guilty of the offence in Sunday's bad-spirited Ulster SFC preliminary-round clash at Ballybofey, the former Footballer of the Year believes things are getting out of hand:
"There's no doubting you're going to get that now, the higher the level you go, and the more local rivalries you get. Cavan play Monaghan this weekend, and I've no doubt it'll be rife there as well," the scarred and bruised Red Hands veteran is quoted in The Irish Times.
"Players probably did overstep the mark to a certain extent. You just have to be thick-skinned. At times it can be quite personal. You just have to accept it. I've said it before, it can be very, very personal and I know there were certain players . . that have been through tough times, and they were getting a fair bit of personal abuse.
"I can look that way, call you a name, say something about your family, your child, and no one will ever know. And look, it happens on both sides.
"I'm sure Michael Murphy got chatted to, when he was hitting free kicks. I got chatted to whenever I was hitting free kicks. It's disappointing to see, and I don't know how you can stop somebody whispering in somebody's ear.
"And there is so much talk now on mental health of players, and all that, and there are players in dark places. You would hope that it doesn't come to the stage that some player tries to do something silly, or something like that, if he has been abused, or has had a bad game, and people have really gotten on his case."
Sean is missing the point. The yapping is designed to provoke a reaction, rather than put them off. If some lad is yapping, it's only going to make me want to win the next ball even more, but some lads will lash out, especially if the yapping moves onto more physical intimidation or messing. Then the initiator goes down like he's shot, and the retaliator gets the line.
Quote from: tippabu on May 19, 2015, 10:09:06 AM
Cavanagh's sledging concern
19 May 2015
Sean Cavanagh is worried that the sledging epidemic prevalent in gaelic football could damage players' mental health.
Admitting that both Tyrone and Donegal were equally guilty of the offence in Sunday's bad-spirited Ulster SFC preliminary-round clash at Ballybofey, the former Footballer of the Year believes things are getting out of hand:
"There's no doubting you're going to get that now, the higher the level you go, and the more local rivalries you get. Cavan play Monaghan this weekend, and I've no doubt it'll be rife there as well," the scarred and bruised Red Hands veteran is quoted in The Irish Times.
"Players probably did overstep the mark to a certain extent. You just have to be thick-skinned. At times it can be quite personal. You just have to accept it. I've said it before, it can be very, very personal and I know there were certain players . . that have been through tough times, and they were getting a fair bit of personal abuse.
"I can look that way, call you a name, say something about your family, your child, and no one will ever know. And look, it happens on both sides.
"I'm sure Michael Murphy got chatted to, when he was hitting free kicks. I got chatted to whenever I was hitting free kicks. It's disappointing to see, and I don't know how you can stop somebody whispering in somebody's ear.
"And there is so much talk now on mental health of players, and all that, and there are players in dark places. You would hope that it doesn't come to the stage that some player tries to do something silly, or something like that, if he has been abused, or has had a bad game, and people have really gotten on his case."
Tipperary were widely regarded as whingers and sledging and especially the facebook of family members being used for comments was pretty much laughed off. Benny Coulter on the Sunday game and now tyrones very own Sean cavanagh coming out talking about it.
It's a fair point Tippabu. One thing, in fairness to Cavanagh, is he says both sides were at it so he's not saying Tyrone didn't do it. However, the fact that he highlights it as something that is not nice is ironic in its timing.
Quote from: tippabu on May 19, 2015, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: tippabu on May 19, 2015, 10:09:06 AM
Cavanagh's sledging concern
19 May 2015
Sean Cavanagh is worried that the sledging epidemic prevalent in gaelic football could damage players' mental health.
Admitting that both Tyrone and Donegal were equally guilty of the offence in Sunday's bad-spirited Ulster SFC preliminary-round clash at Ballybofey, the former Footballer of the Year believes things are getting out of hand:
"There's no doubting you're going to get that now, the higher the level you go, and the more local rivalries you get. Cavan play Monaghan this weekend, and I've no doubt it'll be rife there as well," the scarred and bruised Red Hands veteran is quoted in The Irish Times.
"Players probably did overstep the mark to a certain extent. You just have to be thick-skinned. At times it can be quite personal. You just have to accept it. I've said it before, it can be very, very personal and I know there were certain players . . that have been through tough times, and they were getting a fair bit of personal abuse.
"I can look that way, call you a name, say something about your family, your child, and no one will ever know. And look, it happens on both sides.
"I'm sure Michael Murphy got chatted to, when he was hitting free kicks. I got chatted to whenever I was hitting free kicks. It's disappointing to see, and I don't know how you can stop somebody whispering in somebody's ear.
"And there is so much talk now on mental health of players, and all that, and there are players in dark places. You would hope that it doesn't come to the stage that some player tries to do something silly, or something like that, if he has been abused, or has had a bad game, and people have really gotten on his case."
Tipperary were widely regarded as whingers and sledging and especially the facebook of family members being used for comments was pretty much laughed off. Benny Coulter on the Sunday game and now tyrones very own Sean cavanagh coming out talking about it.
Maybe a few select journalists and Tyrone people thought that but everyone I've talked to that watched was pretty aghast at Tyrone's tactics. Maybe the Tipp CB chairman got a bit of stick for that radio interview but few people think this stuff isn't an epidemic these days.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:17:37 AM
It's a fair point Tippabu. One thing, in fairness to Cavanagh, is he says both sides were at it so he's not saying Tyrone didn't do it. However, the fact that he highlights it as something that is not nice is ironic in its timing.
I wonder just how much of a problem it is throughout the country, I'm sure it happens everywhere. I was talking to a senior tipp player and he said that throughout the league this year fermanagh were very mouthy on the pitch, said nobody else we played were. Said Armagh didn't do it at all.
Quote from: tippabu on May 19, 2015, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:17:37 AM
It's a fair point Tippabu. One thing, in fairness to Cavanagh, is he says both sides were at it so he's not saying Tyrone didn't do it. However, the fact that he highlights it as something that is not nice is ironic in its timing.
I wonder just how much of a problem it is throughout the country, I'm sure it happens everywhere. I was talking to a senior tipp player and he said that throughout the league this year fermanagh were very mouthy on the pitch, said nobody else we played were. Said Armagh didn't do it at all.
As I posted in the other thread, your own team was at it in the U21 final. Derry have had a few slabbers themselves in the recent past. Brolly never shut up on the field but it was never sledging.
@ Tippabu we were told we were raving recently on here. Ironic eh? 'Mon the minors !!!!!
QuoteOne thing, in fairness to Cavanagh, is he says both sides were at it so he's not saying Tyrone didn't do it. However, the fact that he highlights it as something that is not nice is ironic in its timing.
I wonder just how much of a problem it is throughout the country, I'm sure it happens everywhere. I was talking to a senior tipp player and he said that throughout the league this year fermanagh were very mouthy on the pitch, said nobody else we played were. Said Armagh didn't do it at all.
Did Ciaran McKeever have laryngitis that day then?
All the replies to how Tyrone played this game were pretty "what about the tipp lads stamp". Only just seen the knee to the head of the tipp player now. Was looking at a video of fergal logans brother talking out of his hole. Anyway I suppose this knee to the head was purely accidental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFd6PIqdlN4
Ah tippabu, we discussed that back then. There's literally, and trust me on this, NOTHING to be gained by resurrecting that again :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2015, 01:54:16 PM
Ah tippabu, we discussed that back then. There's literally, and trust me on this, NOTHING to be gained by resurrecting that again :)
It's only now for the first time I've seen footage of it
Quote from: tippabu on May 22, 2015, 02:01:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2015, 01:54:16 PM
Ah tippabu, we discussed that back then. There's literally, and trust me on this, NOTHING to be gained by resurrecting that again :)
It's only now for the first time I've seen footage of it
Well then shut up about it as AZ says and get your facts right also. Adrian Logan is NOT Feargal Logans brother and is in fact absolutely no relation...let it go FFS !!