So Tyrone are now through to the semi finals of the Rugby World Cup All-Ireland to be played August 25th
Could we see a repeat of the 1989 semi-final or will we be seeing Tyrone looking for revenge over that defeat in Ballybofey earlier in the year.
Whoever it is I'm sure it will be a great game of free-flowing football without an ounce of cynicism
Can't see Tyrone working either team. Penrose gone, Joe Mc a question mark?
Tyrone have been consistent and have shown themselves to be a solidly top five (and four in my opinion, they're better than Kerry). Really impressive work by Mickey this year to get this level of consistency from a team that under another manager probably would have been out in the Qualifiers.
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
Can't see Tyrone working either team. Penrose gone, Joe Mc a question mark?
Tyrone have been consistent and have shown themselves to be a solidly top five (and four in my opinion, they're better than Kerry) this year. Really impressive work by Mickey this year to get this level of consistency from a team that under another manager probably would have been out in the Qualifiers.
I wouldn't say losing Penrose would be a deciding factor on whether Tyrone will be competitive against Mayo or Donegal. Ronan O'Neill coming in and looking sharp is a major plus after today.
couldnt left this thread to after the game tomorrow?
no :)
It's not Tyrone's fault but the cynics will argue they haven't beat 'much' during this run of 5 games. One Div 4 team, three Div 3 teams and a deflated Kildare team. And Tyrone only just winning these games by two points.
It kinda means they are due a tanking when playing a major gun next time.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 03, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
It's not Tyrone's fault but the cynics will argue they haven't beat 'much' during this run of 5 games. One Div 4 team, three Div 3 teams and a deflated Kildare team. And Tyrone only just winning these games by two points.
It kinda means they are due a tanking when playing a major gun next time.
Tyrone beat a lot of decent teams this year. All four of their last opponents were capable of beating them but the Red ladeens didn't allow that to happen.
Consistency has been the key word for Tyrone since January. The problem now is consistency will not be enough to beat their semi-final opponents. They need some spectacular.
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 03, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
It's not Tyrone's fault but the cynics will argue they haven't beat 'much' during this run of 5 games. One Div 4 team, three Div 3 teams and a deflated Kildare team. And Tyrone only just winning these games by two points.
It kinda means they are due a tanking when playing a major gun next time.
Tyrone beat a lot of decent teams this year. All four of their last opponents were capable of beating them but the Red ladeens didn't allow that to happen.
Consistency has been the key word for Tyrone since January. The problem now is consistency will not be enough to beat their semi-final opponents. They need some spectacular.
No they did not including you lot. Kildare the only decent team they beat. Div 3 and 4 teams are second rate.
I think Ronan O'Neill could have a big say in the Championship if he is given the chance. Looked very sharp when he came on at CF. We've essentially been operating without a play-maker, besides when SON is out there. Interested to see if Mickey will take a chance on him.
Tyrone beat a Division 4 team (Offaly), a Division 3 team (Roscommon), two teams that gained promotion from Division 3 (Monaghan and Meath) and a Division 1 team (Kildare).
Monaghan won the Ulster championship since the league-- beating the All Ireland champions in the process.
Meath have been the only team that looked like giving Dublin a game to date and were beaten in the Leinster final.
Kildare hadn't been beaten in the qualifiers in 5 years and Tyrone went into their back yard and beat them.
Now if you're going down the league route argument Tyrone were one of the few teams this year to give Dublin a game, came second in the League and reached a League final (only being beaten by a point)
To be completely honest there'll be three weeks between now and the semi final and we can certainly improve between now and then. At the end of the game it was the Mattie Donnellys, the Ronan O'Neills, the Conor Clarkes and the Plunkett Kanes that helped see Tyrone through.
For the last 3 or 4 years we've gone to Croke Park and taken hammerings and to be honest I didn't think we were going to beat one of the top 3 or 4 teams. I think now that bunch of players will have the belief that they can beat anybody. There's been progress made this year and I'm certainly not going to bet against Tyrone winning at least one more game.
Tyrone have come through a tough run of games in recent weeks, with very little rest.
The three weeks will make a hugh difference..
they will not be easy beat.
Is it not somewhat cynical that Tyrone have a day longer to prepare than Mayo or Donegal?? Also cynical that they have the benefit of a strong £ v euro. Cynical, scheming Northern bastards!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBhikkHoNcg
It cannot be there are non-Tyrone players partaking in cynical play...
I think the GAA have to look into red cards for players through on goal, like soccer does. Last man, red card. I don't really blame Cavanagh for doing what he did. The rules allowed him to pick up a yellow card, but Monaghan only got a point from it and probably won the game for Tyrone.
Stephen O'Neill got red last week for similar. But it was the last minute, and Tyrone didn't care as they stopped Meath getting a goal.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 03, 2013, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 03, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
It's not Tyrone's fault but the cynics will argue they haven't beat 'much' during this run of 5 games. One Div 4 team, three Div 3 teams and a deflated Kildare team. And Tyrone only just winning these games by two points.
It kinda means they are due a tanking when playing a major gun next time.
Tyrone beat a lot of decent teams this year. All four of their last opponents were capable of beating them but the Red ladeens didn't allow that to happen.
Consistency has been the key word for Tyrone since January. The problem now is consistency will not be enough to beat their semi-final opponents. They need some spectacular.
No they did not including you lot. Kildare the only decent team they beat. Div 3 and 4 teams are second rate.
Third and fourth rate, I'd say.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 04, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
Stephen O'Neill got red last week for similar. But it was the last minute, and Tyrone didn't care as they stopped Meath getting a goal.
I thought O'Neill got a (second) yellow for that challenge.
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2013, 02:14:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 04, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
Stephen O'Neill got red last week for similar. But it was the last minute, and Tyrone didn't care as they stopped Meath getting a goal.
I thought O'Neill got a (second) yellow for that challenge.
If he'd have got a straight red he wouldn't have been on the field tonight.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 02:17:56 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2013, 02:14:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 04, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
Stephen O'Neill got red last week for similar. But it was the last minute, and Tyrone didn't care as they stopped Meath getting a goal.
I thought O'Neill got a (second) yellow for that challenge.
If he'd have got a straight red he wouldn't have been on the field tonight.
Oh yes he would...... Oh wait, you're using the rules of the game here to explain this? I thought we should just make it up as we go along! My mistake, carry on....
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2013, 02:14:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 04, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
Stephen O'Neill got red last week for similar. But it was the last minute, and Tyrone didn't care as they stopped Meath getting a goal.
I thought O'Neill got a (second) yellow for that challenge.
Aye he did, that's what I meant.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 02:25:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 02:17:56 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2013, 02:14:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 04, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
Stephen O'Neill got red last week for similar. But it was the last minute, and Tyrone didn't care as they stopped Meath getting a goal.
I thought O'Neill got a (second) yellow for that challenge.
If he'd have got a straight red he wouldn't have been on the field tonight.
Oh yes he would...... Oh wait, you're using the rules of the game here to explain this? I thought we should just make it up as we go along! My mistake, carry on....
Yawn.
Mayo are going to face Tyrone in the semi final having not had a competitive match! Tyrone by 2!!
I think you can edit the title of this thread, we know who Tyrone will be playing.
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Quote from: HokeyPokey on August 04, 2013, 01:15:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBhikkHoNcg
It cannot be there are non-Tyrone players partaking in cynical play...
That video is actually just the latest CGI technology. Cynical play was only invented yesterday, by Sean Cavanagh.
Tyrone lost by six to Donegal. Mayo by over twenty points?
Do Mayo have an Anthony Finnerty this year?
Mayo 2/7 Tyrone 3/1 Draw 9/1
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 04, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
Do Mayo have an Anthony Finnerty this year?
No but from the sounds of things D. Brady is making himself available for a lot of training sessions.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Great stuff. ;D
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
This has been and could be Mayos problem in the run up to big matches in Croke Park. Losing the run of themselves before a trophy is won. If Mayo are to fall flat on their face it could be due to an attitude like this.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Incidentally who would Mayo supporters prefer to get in the final given their poor record against Kerry teams in finals?
The Monaghan game was Tyrone's third successive game in as many weekends, and sixth in seven, and it showed. The three-week gap to the Mayo game will do no harm at all.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
This has been and could be Mayos problem in the run up to big matches in Croke Park. Losing the run of themselves before a trophy is won. If Mayo are to fall flat on their face it could be due to an attitude like this.
James Horan and company won't have attitude like Mayo Mick or other Mayo supporters. Mayo should win this semi final pulling up Tyrone are lucky to have got this far.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 05, 2013, 12:59:26 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
This has been and could be Mayos problem in the run up to big matches in Croke Park. Losing the run of themselves before a trophy is won. If Mayo are to fall flat on their face it could be due to an attitude like this.
James Horan and company won't have attitude like Mayo Mick or other Mayo supporters. Mayo should win this semi final pulling up Tyrone are lucky to have got this far.
Tyrone are now quite obviously the third best team in the country on the year, even accounting for losing to Donegal in the first round of Ulster. Very, very little luck involved in them finding themselves in the AISFs. This is their level, no more and no less.
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 01:06:06 AM
Dublin
Mayo
Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
is the order.
Kerry are too old and Cork too poorly coached - with too many holes from 2-9 - to be considered better teams than Tyrone in 2013. Just because they might have more potential if you're judging them in a vacuum doesn't make them better teams on the year.
Tyrone this year are one of Mickey's finest achievements as a manager. They have mined their potential to perfection this year.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:20:34 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Incidentally who would Mayo supporters prefer to get in the final given their poor record against Kerry teams in finals?
With out hesitation KERRY!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:20:34 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Incidentally who would Mayo supporters prefer to get in the final given their poor record against Kerry teams in finals?
With out hesitation KERRY!
Don't get too excited, they're not going to be there.
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 01:06:06 AM
Dublin
Mayo
Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
is the order.
I would still have Donegal ahead of Tyrone they did beat them in the last three championship games.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 01:03:57 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 05, 2013, 12:59:26 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
This has been and could be Mayos problem in the run up to big matches in Croke Park. Losing the run of themselves before a trophy is won. If Mayo are to fall flat on their face it could be due to an attitude like this.
James Horan and company won't have attitude like Mayo Mick or other Mayo supporters. Mayo should win this semi final pulling up Tyrone are lucky to have got this far.
Tyrone are now quite obviously the third best team in the country on the year, even accounting for losing to Donegal in the first round of Ulster. Very, very little luck involved in them finding themselves in the AISFs. This is their level, no more and no less.
Obviously they aren't. By that logic Wexford were the third best team in 2008 or Fermanagh in 2004. Tyrone have fallen over the line against three division three sides and that is not the form of top three side.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 01:28:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:20:34 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Incidentally who would Mayo supporters prefer to get in the final given their poor record against Kerry teams in finals?
With out hesitation KERRY!
Don't get too excited, they're not going to be there.
Have you been reading The Hearld again?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:20:34 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Incidentally who would Mayo supporters prefer to get in the final given their poor record against Kerry teams in finals?
What final?
We have it all to do in the semi-final.
There are two rules now for Mayo supporters:
Rule 1) there will only be talk about the next game against Tyrone;
Rule 2) see rule 1;
Quote from: muppet on August 05, 2013, 02:52:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 12:20:34 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 04, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
Is there any point in Tyrone turning up??
Unfortunately little enough and will be a painful day for Tyrone. Again we will win by at least 7 or 8 and would not rule out another +10 point victory. Just home and even more convinced that we will win AI - absolutely ruthless performance. Only two regrets - one that it was not Kerry we were dishing out the pain to and the second that we allowed Donegal to psyche us out of an AI last September.
No more to be said on this game - will wait until we know who we are playing in the AI.
Incidentally who would Mayo supporters prefer to get in the final given their poor record against Kerry teams in finals?
What final?
We have it all to do in the semi-final.
There are two rules now for Mayo supporters:
Rule 1) there will only be talk about the next game against Tyrone;
Rule 2) see rule 1;
Sure it's only game 5. Don't be getting ahead of yourself and calling it a semi-final or any of that crack. It's not on the script.
No drink 'till Ballagh.
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
I as a tyrone fan have to totally agree with this. Mayo are a playing some excellent football this year. As much as I would love to see tyrone getting to the final I just dont think they will beat this mayo team. They have too much pace and too many good players on form at the present time for Tyrone to beat them. They have next to no injuries and many of the players are at the top of their games. Unless they implode (which under horan I cannot see) I can see them winning the All Ireland. PS This is not cutehoorism.
Would Harte have a 100% record from this stage on at senior level?
Im glad Penrose is out, gives a clinical forward like Ronan O'Neill a chance to get a start. Also, Tyrone have 3 weeks now to train for the Mayo game without any matches in the mean time which I think will work to their advantage. Who knows what team we will see against Mayo as it gives all the players on the panel 3 weeks to put a marker down and could allow for the like of Coney, O'Neill, Cassidy or Justin McMahon to get their form and fitness back. Was surprised to see SON go off on Saturday, was well marked in the full forward line but was impressive with his passing and vision when he came out to half forward. Would he not be a good option there? I think that is one of the biggest problems with the Tyrone team in that Mark Donnelly is playing as 11 but in reality he is playing like Dooher did at wing forward and Donnelly doesn't spray the passes into the forward line.
Finally, Mayo were impressive yesterday but I can really see a Tyrone win here. The break will have done them well and as mentioned I would like to see a few changes that could maybe be enforced through showings in training over the next few weeks. Mayo won't bang in 3 or 4 goals against Tyrone. I have never see Donegal under JMG so heavy legged and disorganised as they were yesterday.
Quote from: FermGael on August 05, 2013, 08:39:18 AM
Would Harte have a 100% record from this stage on at senior level?
i think you are probably right, have been beaten by dublin x2 ,cork & mayo at qtr final stage, but never in the semis or final.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 05, 2013, 08:46:59 AM
Quote from: FermGael on August 05, 2013, 08:39:18 AM
Would Harte have a 100% record from this stage on at senior level?
i think you are probably right, have been beaten by dublin x2 ,cork & mayo at qtr final stage, but never in the semis or final.
Cork beat them in the semi final in 2009
Will the game be all ticket??
looking forward to this
hope mayo do the biz cos would like to see a mayo dublin final
tyrone will have plans for dillion i would say and i would expect mayo wont allow sean the freedom of the park.
hopefully have a good ref( mc quillan)
Tyrone will get pumped!
There will be 10+ points in it
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
Mortimer left the Mayo team 3 to 4 days before the Connacht final. Imagine doing that? He was named on the bench for the game. He was not kicked from the panel. He did not make the first 15 like many other Players have not make the first 15 during Horans tenure. Many of those who have not made the starting line up have been better players or of an equal standard to Mortimer. They took the Managers decision as being the important decision for the team. It's a team game and for this reason Mortimer did Horan a favour leaving the squad. All said, I still have appreciation for all Mortimer gave to Mayo football.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
Mortimer left the Mayo team 3 to 4 days before the Connacht final. Imagine doing that? He was named on the bench for the game. He was not kicked from the panel. He did not make the first 15 like many other Players have not make the first 15 during Horans tenure. Many of those who have not made the starting line up have been better players or of an equal standard to Mortimer. They took the Managers decision as being the important decision for the team. It's a team game and for this reason Mortimer did Horan a favour leaving the squad. All said, I still have appreciation for all Mortimer gave to Mayo football.
Fom an outsider looking in it appears that Mortimer leaving the panel was the best thing that happened this squad. Horan stood his ground, earned respect and to players knew they had to fight for their places. I have a lot of respect for the way Mayo have gone about things under James Horan and it is going to take a massive effort from Tyrone to overcome them. Fears from recent championship meetings from sides in the past (Cork '09, Kerry '12 and Dublin x2) still haunt but Mickey has proved in the past that when it gets to late August he can win big games so heres hoping and roll on August 25th - I can hardly wait!
Don't know who I'd rather progress.
Would normally shout for Ulster team due to being sick of listening and reading the usual anti Ulster crap that gets turned out every year in the championship but Kavanagh'a rugby Leauge tackle was ugly to watch.
No problem with Tyrone being cynical, every team is if their fan's are 100% honest that includes Mayo.
Tyrone are fading in games with 20mins to go that's partly due to the sheer volume of games. 2 weeks off might be the answer to fatigue. It would still be hard to back them with money here though.
You'd expect Mayo to progress as they've taken the direct route and are on a carbon copy of the mission Donegal were on last year but I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone at home in the Leauge as well but their shooting was awfull .
Mayo will win if they don't hit endless wides . If they do , then Tyrone will progress.
Mayo's to lose I think.
Quote from: Whitnail on August 05, 2013, 06:07:00 PM
Don't know who I'd rather progress.
Would normally shout for Ulster team due to being sick of listening and reading the usual anti Ulster crap that gets turned out every year in the championship but Kavanagh'a rugby Leauge tackle was ugly to watch.
No problem with Tyrone being cynical, every team is if their fan's are 100% honest that includes Mayo.
Tyrone are fading in games with 20mins to go that's partly due to the sheer volume of games. 2 weeks off might be the answer to fatigue. It would still be hard to back them with money here though.
You'd expect Mayo to progress as they've taken the direct route and are on a carbon copy of the mission Donegal were on last year but I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone at home in the Leauge as well but their shooting was awfull .
Mayo will win if they don't hit endless wides . If they do , then Tyrone will progress.
Mayo's to lose I think.
I was at the Tyrone v Mayo league match and agree that Mayo had sufficient possession and attempts on goal to have won that game - as you've said it was 'Mayo's to lose', AND THEY DID. Going on current form they have to be regarded as firm favourites but Mayo do have an unfortunate habit of losing games like this and Tyrone keep churning out workmanlike victories when they're up against it. I think it'll be an awful lot closer than people think and as we get closer to the 25th you'll find that this weekend will have been forgotten and fans, analysts and punters will be more cautious in their predictions. I'd like to see a Dublin v Mayo final but wouldn't rule out Tyrone or Kerry at this stage.
Either way, it'll be nice to put this weekend behind us and move on to talking about football again rather than massaging Joe's ego.
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
62!
Quote from: CD on August 05, 2013, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Whitnail on August 05, 2013, 06:07:00 PM
Don't know who I'd rather progress.
Would normally shout for Ulster team due to being sick of listening and reading the usual anti Ulster crap that gets turned out every year in the championship but Kavanagh'a rugby Leauge tackle was ugly to watch.
No problem with Tyrone being cynical, every team is if their fan's are 100% honest that includes Mayo.
Tyrone are fading in games with 20mins to go that's partly due to the sheer volume of games. 2 weeks off might be the answer to fatigue. It would still be hard to back them with money here though.
You'd expect Mayo to progress as they've taken the direct route and are on a carbon copy of the mission Donegal were on last year but I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone at home in the Leauge as well but their shooting was awfull .
Mayo will win if they don't hit endless wides . If they do , then Tyrone will progress.
Mayo's to lose I think.
I was at the Tyrone v Mayo league match and agree that Mayo had sufficient possession and attempts on goal to have won that game - as you've said it was 'Mayo's to lose', AND THEY DID. Going on current form they have to be regarded as firm favourites but Mayo do have an unfortunate habit of losing games like this and Tyrone keep churning out workmanlike victories when they're up against it. I think it'll be an awful lot closer than people think and as we get closer to the 25th you'll find that this weekend will have been forgotten and fans, analysts and punters will be more cautious in their predictions. I'd like to see a Dublin v Mayo final but wouldn't rule out Tyrone or Kerry at this stage.
Either way, it'll be nice to put this weekend behind us and move on to talking about football again rather than massaging Joe's ego.
God, have you not learned anything yet? League form counts for nothing! League games count for nothing! When Kerry were HAMMERING us in AI finals in 2004 and 2006. We beat them handy in Castlebar or Tralee in the league. We'd think to ourselves we were progressing. But Kerry were on a Go Slow! There is nothing you will get out of the league game last spring, there will be different personnel and players at different conditioning.
League form counts for nothing? 3 of the top 4 in the league just happen to be in the All Ireland semi finals. The other team Kerry came 6th in the league on the same number of points as 4th placed Mayo.
Now the league result itself will count for absolutely nothing in itself when the sides meet but playing and competing at the highest level in the league is fundamental to challenging for an All Ireland.
I'd take your point about taking results in isolation, but the trends count. Tyrone wouldn't be in an All Ireland semi final now if they were still pattering around the second division of the league.
As far as the Tyrone players and fans are concerned we couldn't be in a better position. We're entering an All Ireland semi final with absolutely nothing to lose. Nobody expects us to get within 7 or 8 points. It's 10 years since that was last the case!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: CD on August 05, 2013, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Whitnail on August 05, 2013, 06:07:00 PM
Don't know who I'd rather progress.
Would normally shout for Ulster team due to being sick of listening and reading the usual anti Ulster crap that gets turned out every year in the championship but Kavanagh'a rugby Leauge tackle was ugly to watch.
No problem with Tyrone being cynical, every team is if their fan's are 100% honest that includes Mayo.
Tyrone are fading in games with 20mins to go that's partly due to the sheer volume of games. 2 weeks off might be the answer to fatigue. It would still be hard to back them with money here though.
You'd expect Mayo to progress as they've taken the direct route and are on a carbon copy of the mission Donegal were on last year but I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone at home in the Leauge as well but their shooting was awfull .
Mayo will win if they don't hit endless wides . If they do , then Tyrone will progress.
Mayo's to lose I think.
I was at the Tyrone v Mayo league match and agree that Mayo had sufficient possession and attempts on goal to have won that game - as you've said it was 'Mayo's to lose', AND THEY DID. Going on current form they have to be regarded as firm favourites but Mayo do have an unfortunate habit of losing games like this and Tyrone keep churning out workmanlike victories when they're up against it. I think it'll be an awful lot closer than people think and as we get closer to the 25th you'll find that this weekend will have been forgotten and fans, analysts and punters will be more cautious in their predictions. I'd like to see a Dublin v Mayo final but wouldn't rule out Tyrone or Kerry at this stage.
Either way, it'll be nice to put this weekend behind us and move on to talking about football again rather than massaging Joe's ego.
God, have you not learned anything yet? League form counts for nothing! League games count for nothing! When Kerry were HAMMERING us in AI finals in 2004 and 2006. We beat them handy in Castlebar or Tralee in the league. We'd think to ourselves we were progressing. But Kerry were on a Go Slow! There is nothing you will get out of the league game last spring, there will be different personnel and players at different conditioning.
Please identify where I said league form would have a bearing on the outcome of this game? I used the example of the league game to highlight the fact that Mayo can sometimes lose games when they appear to be in the driving seat. I refer to this game only because it's the most recent example I witnessed first hand.
Quote from: CD on August 05, 2013, 07:39:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: CD on August 05, 2013, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Whitnail on August 05, 2013, 06:07:00 PM
Don't know who I'd rather progress.
Would normally shout for Ulster team due to being sick of listening and reading the usual anti Ulster crap that gets turned out every year in the championship but Kavanagh'a rugby Leauge tackle was ugly to watch.
No problem with Tyrone being cynical, every team is if their fan's are 100% honest that includes Mayo.
Tyrone are fading in games with 20mins to go that's partly due to the sheer volume of games. 2 weeks off might be the answer to fatigue. It would still be hard to back them with money here though.
You'd expect Mayo to progress as they've taken the direct route and are on a carbon copy of the mission Donegal were on last year but I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone at home in the Leauge as well but their shooting was awfull .
Mayo will win if they don't hit endless wides . If they do , then Tyrone will progress.
Mayo's to lose I think.
I was at the Tyrone v Mayo league match and agree that Mayo had sufficient possession and attempts on goal to have won that game - as you've said it was 'Mayo's to lose', AND THEY DID. Going on current form they have to be regarded as firm favourites but Mayo do have an unfortunate habit of losing games like this and Tyrone keep churning out workmanlike victories when they're up against it. I think it'll be an awful lot closer than people think and as we get closer to the 25th you'll find that this weekend will have been forgotten and fans, analysts and punters will be more cautious in their predictions. I'd like to see a Dublin v Mayo final but wouldn't rule out Tyrone or Kerry at this stage.
Either way, it'll be nice to put this weekend behind us and move on to talking about football again rather than massaging Joe's ego.
God, have you not learned anything yet? League form counts for nothing! League games count for nothing! When Kerry were HAMMERING us in AI finals in 2004 and 2006. We beat them handy in Castlebar or Tralee in the league. We'd think to ourselves we were progressing. But Kerry were on a Go Slow! There is nothing you will get out of the league game last spring, there will be different personnel and players at different conditioning.
Please identify where I said league form would have a bearing on the outcome of this game? I used the example of the league game to highlight the fact that Mayo can sometimes lose games when they appear to be in the driving seat. I refer to this game only because it's the most recent example I witnessed first hand.
The game in question had Tyrone with a four point lead with less than five minutes to play. Mayo scored 1-03 in the closing five minutes and Tyrone won with a last minute penalty. In reality Tyrone made hard work of closing a substantial lead out.
Now back to the real world of Championship football. Where under Horans reign have Mayo lost a game when they appeared to be in the driving seat?
Hope Mayo win, and win the All Ireland. They deserve one, it was great to see them yesterday in Croker. Brilliant pace and intensity.
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
Good mexican name.
I know they say that the league counts for nothing but Tyrone and Dublin were so far ahead of everyone else that I fancy both to reach the final. I would also fancy the same outcome as the league final as the Dubs physicality can not be matched by any other team.
Tyrone's run in to the semi-final cannot be dismissed.
-Hammered an Offaly team who were high in confidence after putting it up to Kildare (in Offaly)(altough although had players out)
-Bate Roscommon in Roscommon-a team hurting from their display against Mayo with new impetus from John Evans.
-Bate a Kildare team in Kildare with Kieran McGeeney fighting for survival.
-Bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin in Croke Park.
-Bate Monaghan who were on the crest of a wave after taking Ulster.
The Mayo Donegal game will have done Mayo no favours at all-better to have come through a tight battle. As for Aidan O'Shea he'll need more than a couple of high catches and bullock runs to impress against Tyrone-we'll give him no respect.
The speed of Dublin is frightening-altough they are a great team, I don't see anything frightening about Mayo.
Sickening arrogance.
Too right.
It's hard to see anything other than a Mayo victory here.
There just seems to be something different about this team from previous Mayo sides.
I can see them going all the way this time
Quote from: galwayman on August 05, 2013, 09:31:37 PM
It's hard to see anything other than a Mayo victory here.
There just seems to be something different about this team from previous Mayo sides.
I can see them going all the way this time
+1
Quote from: Whishtup on August 05, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
I know they say that the league counts for nothing but Tyrone and Dublin were so far ahead of everyone else that I fancy both to reach the final. I would also fancy the same outcome as the league final as the Dubs physicality can not be matched by any other team.
Tyrone's run in to the semi-final cannot be dismissed.
-Hammered an Offaly team who were high in confidence after putting it up to Kildare (in Offaly)(altough although had players out)
-Bate Roscommon in Roscommon-a team hurting from their display against Mayo with new impetus from John Evans.
-Bate a Kildare team in Kildare with Kieran McGeeney fighting for survival.
-Bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin in Croke Park.
-Bate Monaghan who were on the crest of a wave after taking Ulster.
The Mayo Donegal game will have done Mayo no favours at all-better to have come through a tight battle. As for Aidan O'Shea he'll need more than a couple of high catches and bullock runs to impress against Tyrone-we'll give him no respect.
The speed of Dublin is frightening-altough they are a great team, I don't see anything frightening about Mayo.
Mayo would have beat a combined team of Kerry and Dublin yesterday .............................................sometimes you see a team that are destined to win Sam, and Mayo are that team this year.................................Im debating whether id rather loose a semi or a final ?????
I'm beginning to wonder whether Tyrone should even bother turning up. Is there a procedure for withdrawing from the championship? We've clearly got no chance :'(
I don't buy into the argument that League form counts for nothing. There has been an obvious correlation between Leagur form and championship success which has become even more obvious since the back door and the League being played in a calendar year.
I can see danger signs for Mayo here already, the hype machine is in overdrive and whilst they are worthy favourites, all this talk of 10+ point victories and ending 62 years of hurt is bound to seep into players mindset. Mickey Harte will be delighted that he can arrive in an AI semi final and be written off by most experts as virtual no hopers even though they were beaten by a point in the League final and were in fact the only team to have beaten Dublin this year (I think). At the minute and on current form you would have to fancy Mayo but as the game gets closer I suspect that the difference in quality will not be as obvious as it appears to be at the minute. I definitely think the praise for Mayo is slightly premature and ott at the minute. For me they are a still a rung below Dublin in terms of likely winners.
This is one game i'm really looking forward to, and to be in our 5th semi final since '03 is a fantastic record.
Mayo are playing fierce well this year, and I have no doubt that Tyrone will put up a good show and we should just
about edge it in the end. I reckon will will have our 4th 2 point win in a row...........
As a hardcore Mayo supporter this is where we enter the twilight zone
How many times have we put in a mesmerizing quarter or semi final performance, only to fall flat on our face the next day out, and be down maybe 8 or 9 points in the first 10 mins.
Sitting in the Green Brier in Boston, last September little did I know that history was to strike yet again. I watched the 04 and 06 finals there and vowed that like Mayo I would exercise the ghosts of years past. I wouldnt let superstition and curses banish me from this fine watering hole-we' d see it through one way or another. Id even befriended a Celtic Tiger refugees in the process.
Until I see Sam been kicked down the Main St in Castlebar, I wont rest easy
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:28:00 PM
I don't buy into the argument that League form counts for nothing. There has been an obvious correlation between Leagur form and championship success which has become even more obvious since the back door and the League being played in a calendar year.
I can see danger signs for Mayo here already, the hype machine is in overdrive and whilst they are worthy favourites, all this talk of 10+ point victories and ending 62 years of hurt is bound to seep into players mindset. Mickey Harte will be delighted that he can arrive in an AI semi final and be written off by most experts as virtual no hopers even though they were beaten by a point in the League final and were in fact the only team to have beaten Dublin this year (I think). At the minute and on current form you would have to fancy Mayo but as the game gets closer I suspect that the difference in quality will not be as obvious as it appears to be at the minute. I definitely think the praise for Mayo is slightly premature and ott at the minute. For me they are a still a rung below Dublin in terms of likely winners.
We are so burned out with AI Finals the hype has gone! There was little or no hype before last years AI and i mean that! People had not booked the next day off work, schools had a caveat that if we lost there was school on the Monday. This is Mayo 2013 not 1989! So don't think were jumping about the place cos we beat Donegal AI Champions. We've done that before in 1999 Galway, 2004 Tyrone, 2011 Cork and 2012 Dublin. It's nice but we still realise what still work has to be done. We think we will beat ye, that's not cockiness just a judgement call, going on form results and teams we have beaten over the last two and a half years. If ye had Beaten Dublin, Cork, Donegal, in that period ye would think the same.
Donegal were an absolute shambles - I'm not sure that Mayo have yet come up against a proper team in this years championship. In the first 20 minutes there was about 5 examples of Mayo mis-placing handpasses, and some shoddy build up work. This has all been masked by the ineptitude of Donegals performance.
I simply do not buy the line that Donegal weren't let play, they were that far off the pace it was astonishing
Against Tyrone Mayo will be up against the best manager of modern times - anyone thinking we'll get an easy ride to the final is kidding themselves
Quote from: stephenite on August 06, 2013, 03:25:10 AM
Donegal were an absolute shambles - I'm not sure that Mayo have yet come up against a proper team in this years championship. In the first 20 minutes there was about 5 examples of Mayo mis-placing handpasses, and some shoddy build up work. This has all been masked by the ineptitude of Donegals performance.
I simply do not buy the line that Donegal weren't let play, they were that far off the pace it was astonishing
Against Tyrone Mayo will be up against the best manager of modern times - anyone thinking we'll get an easy ride to the final is kidding themselves
Yes agree with that. I think we were 6 points up, Vaughan misplaced a pass, kicked the ball out over the sideline and Donegal went up and got 2 points. Need to cut out these type of mistakes if we're going to win an AI.
Quote from: stephenite on August 06, 2013, 03:25:10 AM
Donegal were an absolute shambles - I'm not sure that Mayo have yet come up against a proper team in this years championship. In the first 20 minutes there was about 5 examples of Mayo mis-placing handpasses, and some shoddy build up work. This has all been masked by the ineptitude of Donegals performance.
I simply do not buy the line that Donegal weren't let play, they were that far off the pace it was astonishing
Against Tyrone Mayo will be up against the best manager of modern times - anyone thinking we'll get an easy ride to the final is kidding themselves
Exactly. I said Mayo by 6 minimum prior to the match, Donegal's legs were shot. I think it probably could have been worse for them had Cunniffe not gone off which forced Higgins back.
Mayo have had the 4 games won by half time so Tyrone will obviously do everything they can to shut the game down early on.
Looking forward to the game. Always good to hear the most cringy chant in GAA in person..."Come on Tyyyyrone...Come on Tyyyyrone....Come on!"
Obstacles are beginning to come thick and fast for Tyrone. Penrose will be out? Possible? Will the Brolly controversy make an impact to Tyrone style? Mayo on the crest of a wave and on the back of probably one of there best performances every.
I really fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal earlier in the year and I based my opinion on the league final. That day (against Dublin) Tyrone ruled centre field and their backs were magnificent. They held on until there legs began to fail & ultimately I think not being able to get enough guys forward in the final quarter cost them scores. Against Donegal as with Dublin, there attacking plan failed! Out muscled up front and unable to take advantage of turn over balls. I've seen a marked improvement on this against Meath ... however, Tyrone far too reliant on Kavanagh brilliants to bring them through matches.
Tyrone will not rule centre field against the O'Shea brothers. So I expect Tyrone to be pinned back (as what Dublin did) defending. Have Mayo the real quality up front to break what I expect will be a great performance from Tyrone defence. Here is hoping so :)
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 06, 2013, 01:41:34 PM
Obstacles are beginning to come thick and fast for Tyrone. Penrose will be out? Possible? Will the Brolly controversy make an impact to Tyrone style? Mayo on the crest of a wave and on the back of probably one of there best performances every.
I really fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal earlier in the year and I based my opinion on the league final. That day (against Dublin) Tyrone ruled centre field and their backs were magnificent. They held on until there legs began to fail & ultimately I think not being able to get enough guys forward in the final quarter cost them scores. Against Donegal as with Dublin, there attacking plan failed! Out muscled up front and unable to take advantage of turn over balls. I've seen a marked improvement on this against Meath ... however, Tyrone far too reliant on Kavanagh brilliants to bring them through matches.
Tyrone will not rule centre field against the O'Shea brothers. So I expect Tyrone to be pinned back (as what Dublin did) defending. Have Mayo the real quality up front to break what I expect will be a great performance from Tyrone defence. Here is hoping so :)
IMO Penrose is not a big loss. He has not been up to his high standards of play this year and we have just as good to come in and replace him. Will Brollygate change Tyrone? absolutely not. All it will do is strengthen their determination in a 'world against us' mentality.
Mayo looked first class on Sunday as they have all Championship but how good are they really? Have they been tested by a good team yet? We will see...
Sure Tyrone have to be favourites. Mayo are in the semifinals and haven't been tested at all yet or anything......
A big plus from Saturday night for Tyrone was the return of the two Ronan's. ONeill & McNabb. Two quality footballers, as Mayo will testify from underage days in the recent past. As EC unique says Penrose wont be that big a miss. Sure he gets through a mountain of work each day, but his shooting has been off key all season. He is not known for his passing or playmaking either. We have other players who can fill that void, and could actually end up inadvertently improving our team.
Also Kudo's to Barry Cassidy for sending Penrose off! He'd be a big Tyrone fan Barry Cassidy! :P
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2013, 03:44:46 PM
Sure Tyrone have to be favourites. Mayo are in the semifinals and haven't been tested at all yet or anything......
Yerra, not a chance! Mayo as favourites for this are so hot they're hotter than hottest heat-seeking hot thing in the history of the cosmos! ;)
I posted yesterday that I hoped that Penroses sending off will open the door for O'Neill to come in. McNabb will have 3 weeks more training too.
Quote from: stephenite on August 06, 2013, 03:25:10 AM
Donegal were an absolute shambles - I'm not sure that Mayo have yet come up against a proper team in this years championship. In the first 20 minutes there was about 5 examples of Mayo mis-placing handpasses, and some shoddy build up work. This has all been masked by the ineptitude of Donegals performance.
No doubt Mayo were very good but Donegal were a shambles from quite early on. Just look at Mayo's 2nd goal. Two Donegal lads handpassing the ball to each other under no real pressure in midfield. One sends it a bit low to McHugh who miscontrols it and let's it hop off his foot and then he falls over. Mayo lad picks it up and himself and Vaughan are now in the clear bearing down on the Donegal goal. When that happened you could tell that Donegal were really not at the races. That said Mayo are playing well enough to really punish sides that are foostering about.
Quote from: stephenite on August 06, 2013, 03:25:10 AM
Donegal were an absolute shambles - I'm not sure that Mayo have yet come up against a proper team in this years championship. In the first 20 minutes there was about 5 examples of Mayo mis-placing handpasses, and some shoddy build up work. This has all been masked by the ineptitude of Donegals performance.
I simply do not buy the line that Donegal weren't let play, they were that far off the pace it was astonishing
Against Tyrone Mayo will be up against the best manager of modern times - anyone thinking we'll get an easy ride to the final is kidding themselves
I agree and thats why I worry a bit for Mayo. I would love to see them do it after all their heartbreak in the last few years. They were allowed to break the tackles far too easily by donegal though and i cant see tyrone allowing that to happen. Also tyrone will push the rules to the limit to put cillian oconnor and aidan o shea off their game. Mayos discipline needs to be top notch and also they need to have planned for not breaking the tackles as easily as they have been allowed to this year so far.
Was it Mayo's first or second goal that came from a very lucky bounce off Mark McHugh's foot when he was unchallenged?
Quote from: EC Unique on August 06, 2013, 03:43:46 PM
IMO Penrose is not a big loss. He has not been up to his high standards of play this year and we have just as good to come in and replace him. Will Brollygate change Tyrone? absolutely not. All it will do is strengthen their determination in a 'world against us' mentality.
Mayo looked first class on Sunday as they have all Championship but how good are they really? Have they been tested by a good team yet? We will see...
Yeah I expect you're right on Brollygate and I hope so (as I thought he tarnish Mayo wrongly last year). As for Mayo, I thought Donegal was the hardest team to be drawn against in the quarter final. As for the earlier teams Mayo played, both Roscommon and Galway gave a good account of themselves through the backdoor. So I think they're good teams. Roscommon for me are the better team of those two & actually held Mayo back for the first part of the game when we played them. By the by - if Roscommon had more composure in taking there scores early on they would have pushed Mayo very close. I also believe the lack of that composure is what undone them against Tyrone! How much better are Tyrone than Roscommon? Tyrone are more experience and crafter yes, but there isn't allot if compared with footballing ability. If Evans develops the scoring ability of Roscommon they will go far next year.
So back to your question, have Mayo been tested? Absolutely, they have ... are they 16 points better than the teams they have being playing against? Probably not!!! You're seeing Mayo put up such a big score against opponents because they've a ruthless edge and will exploit any / all advantages all day long. But I'll grant you this ... nothing but there best performance will get them by Tyrone on 25th August!!!!
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on August 06, 2013, 05:15:44 PM
Was it Mayo's first or second goal that came from a very lucky bounce off Mark McHugh's foot when he was unchallenged?
2nd I think.
The first came when O'Connor robbed Magee on the endline and exchanged passes with McLoughlin.
Very off form Donegal team this year alright who really beat no team of substance on their way to the Quarter Final. Mayo have had things easy as well with victories against Roscommon who Tyrone easily defeated by two points and Galway who were in turn were easily beaten by Cork by a point. Mayo's league form going into the Championship was poor. League form is the most important part of the championship year, poor league form will come back to haunt you come championship. Mayo only survived relegation by beating Cork in Cork. They were fortunate to make the semi finals where they lost to eventual winners Dublin.
Mayo have problems playing in Croke Park. Their recent record speaks for itself bar recent victories against Donegal, Down, Cork and Dublin. Similar to this year, Last year Mayo went into the AI semi finals stage without a test after hammering Down. They then struggled to beat an out of form Dublin team in the semi's.
The Hype in Mayo will have kicked in since the Donegal game. Players and management will be greatly affected by this hype as many have not encountered this before in their football career. Mayo do not deal with being favourites going into a match, being favourites in every game in Connacht and the quarter final greatly affected the teams performance.
After nearly 3 years under Horan, Mayo still have no marquee forward. Mayo's scores so far have been spread all over the team (squad). So when the going gets tough we don't have that one forward you go to who will pull the game out of the bag.
Mayo are, quite rightly, huge favourites for this game. However, I can't see us taking a triming like Donegal. Donegal's focus all year was our game in Ballybofey in May. This appears to have backfired in that Donegal's focus was completely out of sorts after this. Simple things like forming their defensive wall around the 'hot-zone' fell to bits and they mentally threw in the towel as soon as Vaughan bagged your second goal.
In today's Irish News Peter Canavan was chatting about Brolly's rant being a God-send for Mickey Harte and he is correct. Our footballers aren't the same quality as Mayo, we aren't as physically quick or strong as Mayo but our hunger and drive for the win will, no doubt, be just as strong.
I still think Mayo will win this game but I am certain it will be a close run thing. Should be some game!
@From The Bunker.Have you been to the Farradeelin school of negativity recently? Jaysus like...wait actually, Yerra!
@Omagh_gael.That's a very fair assessment IMO.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
@From The Bunker.Have you been to the Farradeelin school of negativity recently? Jaysus like...wait actually, Yerra!
@Omagh_gael.That's a very fair assessment IMO.
I'm only calling it as it is Ballinaman. Is there anything in there you can contradict?
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Seanie was only perfecting the rugby tackling in those days.
And what is it with Pascal McConnell and throwing shapes? He wanted a piece of poor Donie last year too. Mustn't like Connacht men.
I'm looking forward to a clean, free-flowing game with no cynicism whatsoever
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
I'm looking forward to a clean, free-flowing game with no cynicism whatsoever
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Luckily both those animals are injured. The other lads are all very nice fellas. Don't be worrying about any dirty stuff now.
Donegal beat Tyrone FtB so they're hardly a team of no substance.
8 of the future of Mayo GAA like this....
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
Donegal beat Tyrone FtB so they're hardly a team of no substance.
Ah, they were only building up steam at that stage. They are a different proposition now.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
Donegal beat Tyrone FtB so they're hardly a team of no substance.
Ah, they were only building up steam at that stage. They are a different proposition now.
To be honest Tyrone have played much the same in all their matches t his year. Didn't see the Offally one but that looks to have been as much about Offaly being poor and throwing the towel more than Tyrone being earth-shattering. Tyrone are consistent and they play at or near the potential in most games. It won't be enough to beat a decent Mayo performance.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
Donegal beat Tyrone FtB so they're hardly a team of no substance.
Ah, they were only building up steam at that stage. They are a different proposition now.
To be honest Tyrone have played much the same in all their matches t his year. Didn't see the Offally one but that looks to have been as much about Offaly being poor and throwing the towel more than Tyrone being earth-shattering. Tyrone are consistent and they play at or near the potential in most games. It won't be enough to beat a decent Mayo performance.
But what about Mayo's poor past performances in Croke park, their not being able to handle the favourites tag, their poor league form, the hype, the lack of a decent test so far, their lack of a marquee forward?
Quote from: Whishtup on August 05, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
I know they say that the league counts for nothing but Tyrone and Dublin were so far ahead of everyone else that I fancy both to reach the final. I would also fancy the same outcome as the league final as the Dubs physicality can not be matched by any other team.
Tyrone's run in to the semi-final cannot be dismissed.
-Hammered an Offaly team who were high in confidence after putting it up to Kildare (in Offaly)(altough although had players out)
-Bate Roscommon in Roscommon-a team hurting from their display against Mayo with new impetus from John Evans.
-Bate a Kildare team in Kildare with Kieran McGeeney fighting for survival.
-Bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin in Croke Park.
-Bate Monaghan who were on the crest of a wave after taking Ulster.
The Mayo Donegal game will have done Mayo no favours at all-better to have come through a tight battle. As for Aidan O'Shea he'll need more than a couple of high catches and bullock runs to impress against Tyrone-we'll give him no respect.
The speed of Dublin is frightening-altough they are a great team, I don't see anything frightening about Mayo.
You are taking the piss, aren't you?
So Tyrone's run to the semi-final cannot be dismissed, can it?
Heh heh, I agree. ;D ;D
Ye started off by getting a batin' from Donegal, who went on to get an even more emphatic one form Mayo, who will be waiting for ye in the semi.
Ye'r dead right; I wouldn't dismiss that either if I was in your shoes.
Next up, Roscommon. Ye just about managed to nose in front of them at the end even though the Rossies had just changed managers and were still shell shocked from the mauling they got from guess who; yep, you got it right in one go I expect.
If you didn't, it's the team ye will have to face in yer next match.
So ye bate Monaghan, did ye?
I guess ye did but only when one of your players decided to change codes and executed a flying rugby tackle that Joe Sheridan would be jealous of. Joe being no mean code changer either.
Ye bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin. Fair enough, but you forget to mention that they also scared the shite out of your gang also.
We all know Tyrone won't show any respect for Aidan O'Shea since ye've never shown respect for anybody or anything; including the ethos and rules of the game.
If you still don't see anything frightening about Mayo, you, my friend, are a walking advert for Specsavers.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 07:44:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
Donegal beat Tyrone FtB so they're hardly a team of no substance.
Ah, they were only building up steam at that stage. They are a different proposition now.
To be honest Tyrone have played much the same in all their matches t his year. Didn't see the Offally one but that looks to have been as much about Offaly being poor and throwing the towel more than Tyrone being earth-shattering. Tyrone are consistent and they play at or near the potential in most games. It won't be enough to beat a decent Mayo performance.
But what about Mayo's poor past performances in Croke park, their not being able to handle the favourites tag, their poor league form, the hype, the lack of a decent test so far, their lack of a marquee forward?
Arrah, tell him go talk to Farrandeelin. Poor Farr will come up with about twenty more; no bother to him! ;D
Just listened to Oisin McConville and Anthony Moyles on the Second Captains podcast there. Got the impression neither of them gave Tyrone even a slim chance in the semi-final. In fact Oisin said he can see them getting a Donegal style beating.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 06, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 05, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
I know they say that the league counts for nothing but Tyrone and Dublin were so far ahead of everyone else that I fancy both to reach the final. I would also fancy the same outcome as the league final as the Dubs physicality can not be matched by any other team.
Tyrone's run in to the semi-final cannot be dismissed.
-Hammered an Offaly team who were high in confidence after putting it up to Kildare (in Offaly)(altough although had players out)
-Bate Roscommon in Roscommon-a team hurting from their display against Mayo with new impetus from John Evans.
-Bate a Kildare team in Kildare with Kieran McGeeney fighting for survival.
-Bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin in Croke Park.
-Bate Monaghan who were on the crest of a wave after taking Ulster.
The Mayo Donegal game will have done Mayo no favours at all-better to have come through a tight battle. As for Aidan O'Shea he'll need more than a couple of high catches and bullock runs to impress against Tyrone-we'll give him no respect.
The speed of Dublin is frightening-altough they are a great team, I don't see anything frightening about Mayo.
You are taking the piss, aren't you?
So Tyrone's run to the semi-final cannot be dismissed, can it?
Heh heh, I agree. ;D ;D
Ye started off by getting a batin' from Donegal, who went on to get an even more emphatic one form Mayo, who will be waiting for ye in the semi.
Ye'r dead right; I wouldn't dismiss that either if I was in your shoes.
Next up, Roscommon. Ye just about managed to nose in front of them at the end even though the Rossies had just changed managers and were still shell shocked from the mauling they got from guess who; yep, you got it right in one go I expect.
If you didn't, it's the team ye will have to face in yer next match.
So ye bate Monaghan, did ye?
I guess ye did but only when one of your players decided to change codes and executed a flying rugby tackle that Joe Sheridan would be jealous of. Joe being no mean code changer either.
Ye bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin. Fair enough, but you forget to mention that they also scared the shite out of your gang also.
We all know Tyrone won't show any respect for Aidan O'Shea since ye've never shown respect for anybody or anything; including the ethos and rules of the game.
If you still don't see anything frightening about Mayo, you, my friend, are a walking advert for Specsavers.
After having spent 5 minutes trying to decipher some of the diatribe you have penned, I wouldn't rule out a contract from Specsavers for your good self. :o
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
Very off form Donegal team this year alright who really beat no team of substance on their way to the Quarter Final. Mayo have had things easy as well with victories against Roscommon who Tyrone easily defeated by two points and Galway who were in turn were easily beaten by Cork by a point. Mayo's league form going into the Championship was poor. League form is the most important part of the championship year, poor league form will come back to haunt you come championship. Mayo only survived relegation by beating Cork in Cork. They were fortunate to make the semi finals where they lost to eventual winners Dublin.
Mayo have problems playing in Croke Park. Their recent record speaks for itself bar recent victories against Donegal, Down, Cork and Dublin. Similar to this year, Last year Mayo went into the AI semi finals stage without a test after hammering Down. They then struggled to beat an out of form Dublin team in the semi's.
The Hype in Mayo will have kicked in since the Donegal game. Players and management will be greatly affected by this hype as many have not encountered this before in their football career. Mayo do not deal with being favourites going into a match, being favourites in every game in Connacht and the quarter final greatly affected the teams performance.
After nearly 3 years under Horan, Mayo still have no marquee forward. Mayo's scores so far have been spread all over the team (squad). So when the going gets tough we don't have that one forward you go to who will pull the game out of the bag.
Brillant post ;D I think you have exactly sumed up Tyrone fans view point lol
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 06, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 05, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
I know they say that the league counts for nothing but Tyrone and Dublin were so far ahead of everyone else that I fancy both to reach the final. I would also fancy the same outcome as the league final as the Dubs physicality can not be matched by any other team.
Tyrone's run in to the semi-final cannot be dismissed.
-Hammered an Offaly team who were high in confidence after putting it up to Kildare (in Offaly)(altough although had players out)
-Bate Roscommon in Roscommon-a team hurting from their display against Mayo with new impetus from John Evans.
-Bate a Kildare team in Kildare with Kieran McGeeney fighting for survival.
-Bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin in Croke Park.
-Bate Monaghan who were on the crest of a wave after taking Ulster.
The Mayo Donegal game will have done Mayo no favours at all-better to have come through a tight battle. As for Aidan O'Shea he'll need more than a couple of high catches and bullock runs to impress against Tyrone-we'll give him no respect.
The speed of Dublin is frightening-altough they are a great team, I don't see anything frightening about Mayo.
You are taking the piss, aren't you?
So Tyrone's run to the semi-final cannot be dismissed, can it?
Heh heh, I agree. ;D ;D
Ye started off by getting a batin' from Donegal, who went on to get an even more emphatic one form Mayo, who will be waiting for ye in the semi.
Ye'r dead right; I wouldn't dismiss that either if I was in your shoes.
Next up, Roscommon. Ye just about managed to nose in front of them at the end even though the Rossies had just changed managers and were still shell shocked from the mauling they got from guess who; yep, you got it right in one go I expect.
If you didn't, it's the team ye will have to face in yer next match.
So ye bate Monaghan, did ye?
I guess ye did but only when one of your players decided to change codes and executed a flying rugby tackle that Joe Sheridan would be jealous of. Joe being no mean code changer either.
Ye bate Meath after Meath scaring the shite out of Dublin. Fair enough, but you forget to mention that they also scared the shite out of your gang also.
We all know Tyrone won't show any respect for Aidan O'Shea since ye've never shown respect for anybody or anything; including the ethos and rules of the game.
If you still don't see anything frightening about Mayo, you, my friend, are a walking advert for Specsavers.
That's harsh-we truly respect Jimmy Cricket.
Considering Tyrone have performed in (and won ;)) two of the best All Ireland final's in this past ten years I say to you, my friend, in the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin,
"Why are you flappin them gums at me!"
You can continue to wallow in a Mayo wonderland and be brought down to earth again with a bang or see real threat that Tyrone are going to pose, based on the character they have shown in this championship.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 06, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
Just listened to Oisin McConville and Anthony Moyles on the Second Captains podcast there. Got the impression neither of them gave Tyrone even a slim chance in the semi-final. In fact Oisin said he can see them getting a Donegal style beating.
Oisin is on the money.
Unlike Lar I have a lot of time for Tyrone and they are to be admired for what they have achieved over the past decade especially for stuffing the animals. They have got a bad press especially from RTE who have no love for teams north of the border. If we had won 3 AIs with some tough no nonsense football Lar would be singing a different tune.
All of that will be no good to ye in 3 weeks time however - ye are not the team of 2005 or 2007 and will be meeting a team that is is as good as any of the last 15 years - including Kerry. Will be a good experience for the younger players ye have and who knows in a couple of years we could meet in an AI final on more equal terms.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 06, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 06, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
Just listened to Oisin McConville and Anthony Moyles on the Second Captains podcast there. Got the impression neither of them gave Tyrone even a slim chance in the semi-final. In fact Oisin said he can see them getting a Donegal style beating.
Oisin is on the money.
Unlike Lar I have a lot of time for Tyrone and they are to be admired for what they have achieved over the past decade especially for stuffing the animals. They have got a bad press especially from RTE who have no love for teams north of the border. If we had won 3 AIs with some tough no nonsense football Lar would be singing a different tune.
All of that will be no good to ye in 3 weeks time however - ye are not the team of 2005 or 2007 and will be meeting a team that is is as good as any of the last 15 years - including Kerry. Will be a good experience for the younger players ye have and who knows in a couple of years we could meet in an AI final on more equal terms.
If mayo are stupid enough to listen to an armagh man tell them they are going to hockey tyrone more power to them.
It'll be one they'll live to regret.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 06, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 06, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
Just listened to Oisin McConville and Anthony Moyles on the Second Captains podcast there. Got the impression neither of them gave Tyrone even a slim chance in the semi-final. In fact Oisin said he can see them getting a Donegal style beating.
Oisin is on the money.
Unlike Lar I have a lot of time for Tyrone and they are to be admired for what they have achieved over the past decade especially for stuffing the animals. They have got a bad press especially from RTE who have no love for teams north of the border. If we had won 3 AIs with some tough no nonsense football Lar would be singing a different tune.
All of that will be no good to ye in 3 weeks time however - ye are not the team of 2005 or 2007 and will be meeting a team that is is as good as any of the last 15 years - including Kerry. Will be a good experience for the younger players ye have and who knows in a couple of years we could meet in an AI final on more equal terms.
Oi! Hould on there a mo,
I never said I have no time for Tyrone. I was merely pointing out to that laddybuck above that he could be building his mansion of dreams on very shaky foundations indeed if he sees anything in Tyrone's play this year that will bring them to the AI final.
There' no good in waffling on about the past either. That was then and now is now.
Let him prepare for Armageddon! ;D
I was in Omagh in '08 when Mayo played Tyrone in a league match and I will never forget the welcome Mayo got from the Tyronies. After the game was over, I found my car had been jammed in by some effin' hoor who just abandoned his own and shagged off leaving me stuck in behind him.
Along came a few good, stout red handers and they just took off their jackets, rolled up their shirt sleeves and on a "one, two three," they horsed yer man's car outa me way.
How's that for Northern hospitality?
Listen here ye laddybuckaroo ye, there'll be no hospitality on that field. Prepare for a red heat that day and when the players begin to wilt, another red heat will come from the bench, a superior, fitter, faster bench than Mayo's.
(Love this trash talkin')
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
8 Pages already, and I'm rolling on the floor laughing... This is funny fare.. Lar, I think you're rising to the bait! It's entertaining though!
Great stuff lads, keep 'er lit! :D
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Tyrone have a lot of huff this year but not much puff.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
The Hype in Mayo will have kicked in since the Donegal game. Players and management will be greatly affected by this hype as many have not encountered this before in their football career. Mayo do not deal with being favourites going into a match, being favourites in every game in Connacht and the quarter final greatly affected the teams performance.
After nearly 3 years under Horan, Mayo still have no marquee forward. Mayo's scores so far have been spread all over the team (squad). So when the going gets tough we don't have that one forward you go to who will pull the game out of the bag.
That means both teams have no marque forward, Tyrone have been relying on a spread of scorers all year ( Cavanagh the main threat over last 2 games). In fact with Cooper playing further outfield all 4 remaining teams have no marquee forward this year, Cluxton being close to top scorer for Dubs this year.
Agree that Mayos biggest problem will be playing down hype. A Mayo performance even at 80% of Sundays level will beat Tyrone unless Tyrone somehow pull a performance from memory that they have not hinted at all year
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Tyrone have a lot of huff this year but not much puff.
Puffed our way to the semis ;)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
I know... :-[
Quote from: Orangemac on August 06, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
Agree that Mayos biggest problem will be playing down hype.
From the outside, it'll definitely look like hype, no doubt about it. When in reality it's total belief in this team and what the management are doing. I don't think there will be any playing down of so called hype/belief this year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Tyrone have a lot of huff this year but not much puff.
In 2008 Tyrone stumbled into an all ireland quarter final via the back door. In the first round they beat Louth relatively easily, then struggled to beat both Westmeath in round 2 and Mayo in round 3. The form was relatively poor with plenty of "huff but not much puff" and nobody gave them a chance against the Dubs who had just won the Leinster Final by 23 points............Just saying.
Quote from: Orangemac on August 06, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
The Hype in Mayo will have kicked in since the Donegal game. Players and management will be greatly affected by this hype as many have not encountered this before in their football career. Mayo do not deal with being favourites going into a match, being favourites in every game in Connacht and the quarter final greatly affected the teams performance.
After nearly 3 years under Horan, Mayo still have no marquee forward. Mayo's scores so far have been spread all over the team (squad). So when the going gets tough we don't have that one forward you go to who will pull the game out of the bag.
That means both teams have no marque forward, Tyrone have been relying on a spread of scorers all year ( Cavanagh the main threat over last 2 games). In fact with Cooper playing further outfield all 4 remaining teams have no marquee forward this year, Cluxton being close to top scorer for Dubs this year.
Agree that Mayos biggest problem will be playing down hype. A Mayo performance even at 80% of Sundays level will beat Tyrone unless Tyrone somehow pull a performance from memory that they have not hinted at all year
Yeah, the hype down here is mad already. Naturally Tyrone are more accustomed to hype than Mayo and know how to deal with it. This getting to AI semi finals and beating previous year Champions is new to us and we are losing the run of ourselves. We just can't believe that we are where we are at the moment. This years run has come out of no where and people are losing the run of themselves.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 06, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
Next up, Roscommon. Ye just about managed to nose in front of them at the end even though the Rossies had just changed managers
They managed to hang on Lar
Tyrone were leading us by 6 points then we held them scoreless in the final 15 mins we scored 4 points to make it 2 point game & then we kicked our last four chances wide.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
Very off form Donegal team this year alright who really beat no team of substance on their way to the Quarter Final. Mayo have had things easy as well with victories against Roscommon who Tyrone easily defeated by two points and Galway who were in turn were easily beaten by Cork by a point. Mayo's league form going into the Championship was poor. League form is the most important part of the championship year, poor league form will come back to haunt you come championship. Mayo only survived relegation by beating Cork in Cork. They were fortunate to make the semi finals where they lost to eventual winners Dublin.
Mayo have problems playing in Croke Park. Their recent record speaks for itself bar recent victories against Donegal, Down, Cork and Dublin. Similar to this year, Last year Mayo went into the AI semi finals stage without a test after hammering Down. They then struggled to beat an out of form Dublin team in the semi's.
The Hype in Mayo will have kicked in since the Donegal game. Players and management will be greatly affected by this hype as many have not encountered this before in their football career. Mayo do not deal with being favourites going into a match, being favourites in every game in Connacht and the quarter final greatly affected the teams performance.
After nearly 3 years under Horan, Mayo still have no marquee forward. Mayo's scores so far have been spread all over the team (squad). So when the going gets tough we don't have that one forward you go to who will pull the game out of the bag.
Is this post a piss take?
I fell for it too ross, well written piss take it must be said ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
I fell for it too ross, well written piss take it must be said ;D
Indeed, feck me pink & followed by this
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 11:04:01 PM
This years run has come out of no where and people are losing the run of themselves.
What was Bunker drinking this weekend?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 06:52:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
62!
61 ::)
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2013, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: Orangemac on August 06, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
Agree that Mayos biggest problem will be playing down hype.
From the outside, it'll definitely look like hype, no doubt about it. When in reality it's total belief in this team and what the management are doing. I don't think there will be any playing down of so called hype/belief this year.
I'm not privy to the hype inside the county and since its not a novelty for Mayo to be competing in semi finals I'm sure there isn't any sheep painting going on just yet. However it IS a new experience for Mayo to be almost odds on favourites for the AI with the semi final yet to play. It's how they manage the expectation that will be interesting and although Mayo people will like to play it down, there will always be a nagging doubt that the old mental frailties will resurface again at some stage. I hope that this isn't the case.
Quote from: crossfire on August 06, 2013, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 06:52:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
In fairness to James Horano he has built a bomb proof Mayo team. They are driven by 63 years of failure culminating in todays power show versus Donegal. Not only do I see them beating Dublin in the final well, I think we would all love to see them hammering Kerry if the Kingdom can get there. The next two months Mayo will be living the dream and as Tyrone supporters we wish them well. Yes its a shame the way they treated Mortimer but just a few months on I dont think they are missing him, they are delivering some of the greatest performances ever seen in Croke Park. Well done!
62!
61 ::)
Soon to be zero?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
There will always be a nagging doubt that the old mental frailties will resurface again at some stage. I hope that this isn't the case.
Knowing a fair few of the lads and what they are about, I have zero worries with regards that.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
I'm not privy to the hype inside the county and since its not a novelty for Mayo to be competing in semi finals I'm sure there isn't any sheep painting going on just yet.
Oh and this was taken last Thursday by the way..... ;D
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Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
There will always be a nagging doubt that the old mental frailties will resurface again at some stage. I hope that this isn't the case.
Knowing a fair few of the lads and what they are about, I have zero worries with regards that.
+1.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Tyrone have a lot of huff this year but not much puff.
In 2008 Tyrone stumbled into an all ireland quarter final via the back door. In the first round they beat Louth relatively easily, then struggled to beat both Westmeath in round 2 and Mayo in round 3. The form was relatively poor with plenty of "huff but not much puff" and nobody gave them a chance against the Dubs who had just won the Leinster Final by 23 points............Just saying.
Tyrone 2013 don't have players of the quality of McMenamin,Dooher, McGuigan, Mulligan and Stephen O'Neill is well past his best. Tyrones last two championship exits were whoppings from Dublin,Kerry have they really improved to take out the current All Ireland favourites?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2013, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Tyrone have a lot of huff this year but not much puff.
In 2008 Tyrone stumbled into an all ireland quarter final via the back door. In the first round they beat Louth relatively easily, then struggled to beat both Westmeath in round 2 and Mayo in round 3. The form was relatively poor with plenty of "huff but not much puff" and nobody gave them a chance against the Dubs who had just won the Leinster Final by 23 points............Just saying.
Tyrone 2013 don't have players of the quality of McMenamin,Dooher, McGuigan, Mulligan and Stephen O'Neill is well past his best. Tyrones last two championship exits were whoppings from Dublin,Kerry have they really improved to take out the current All Ireland favourites?
Mulligan wasn't getting on and Stephen O'Neill had "retired " at the time of the Dublin game. But i get your point and my post was mainly with tongue in cheek - there's no way Tyrone can stop the Mayo juggernaut!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
Very off form Donegal team this year alright who really beat no team of substance on their way to the Quarter Final. Mayo have had things easy as well with victories against Roscommon who Tyrone easily defeated by two points and Galway who were in turn were easily beaten by Cork by a point. Mayo's league form going into the Championship was poor. League form is the most important part of the championship year, poor league form will come back to haunt you come championship. Mayo only survived relegation by beating Cork in Cork. They were fortunate to make the semi finals where they lost to eventual winners Dublin.
Mayo have problems playing in Croke Park. Their recent record speaks for itself bar recent victories against Donegal, Down, Cork and Dublin. Similar to this year, Last year Mayo went into the AI semi finals stage without a test after hammering Down. They then struggled to beat an out of form Dublin team in the semi's.
The Hype in Mayo will have kicked in since the Donegal game. Players and management will be greatly affected by this hype as many have not encountered this before in their football career. Mayo do not deal with being favourites going into a match, being favourites in every game in Connacht and the quarter final greatly affected the teams performance.
After nearly 3 years under Horan, Mayo still have no marquee forward. Mayo's scores so far have been spread all over the team (squad). So when the going gets tough we don't have that one forward you go to who will pull the game out of the bag.
+1
Top post Bunker.
Time will tell how much Tyrone have improved. On current form Mayo should win and are good value at 2/7
What concerns me is that the two main areas of weakness 12 and 24 months ago are still the main areas of weakness today namely the full back line (corner backs) and the full forward line.
I'd read a line of argument somewhere that Mayo need to keep Stephen O'Neill quiet to win, but that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. He's kicked 2 points in 4 championship matches this summer and if I'm honest, I'm not sure he's done enough to be certain of a place on the team. On reputation maybe but not on his performances to date.
What we must realise is that this mayo team are one year ahead of Tyrone in their redevelopment. Some of these guys simply don't know how to lose at semi final stage. In recent eras they have won an incredible number of all Ireland semifinals second only to Kerry. They are rightly all Ireland favourites and their big performance will need to come in the final.. Wouldn't it be nice if they could beat Kerry in Croke park. I watched their game again tonight and whilst o se was lucky to stay on the field as long as he did.. on the wrong day with his flailing elbows he wouldn't last 10 minutes, I still think their cynicism has been toned down and certainly less obvious than last year. Who can forget the way they took out Dublin last year. I actually admire what these guys are prepared to do to weaken their opponents. I have a thought or two of backing them, they also look like a team will be about for a couple.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
I fell for it too ross, well written piss take it must be said ;D
I did too.
When I started to read it, I thought it was Farr given us another dose of his, "We're all doomed, doomed I tell ye" stuff. ;D
(No offence Farr, I honestly thought it was you. )
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Do you think Mayo behaved 'cocky' recently?
How were they cocky?
Mayo were 22 points up at one stage v Donegal and were there any olés from the Mayo fans, even though we were hammmering a team that inflicted one of the most miserable days of our lives. Bit of soundness there - ask the Meath men. Fans from Mayo not cocky either obviously so easy on.
I hope there will be loads of hype in Mayo now. The days are getting short and this is a great distraction.
In the past Mayo beating themselves with hype was used by lazy/ clueless hacks who did not get the big picture. Including local shit.
Hype has never been the cause of our past failings. I ve been posting here a while and my old posts are there to be seen. I d still stand over what I ve posted.
Sure Tyrone can do a number on us. That is sport.
On the other hand, have Dublin and Mayo made the game more ...................... I dunno ...... watchable?
Best post yet moysider. Yes the hype will kick off, and let itovw seeing children in Mayo jerseys. If Tyrone beat us, they are a great side. Truly, because this Mayo team is a great side. It won't be for lack of workrate that loses the game for Mayo.
PS Lar, I'm not all doom and gloom! :D
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective would be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
I'm not privy to the hype inside the county and since its not a novelty for Mayo to be competing in semi finals I'm sure there isn't any sheep painting going on just yet.
Oh and this was taken last Thursday by the way..... ;D
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Doubt they lived to see the result!
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective wouldo be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
O Connors 'luck'???......was it Arnold Palmer that said
"the more I practice, the luckier I get".........
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective would be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
Can you speak to as many Tyrone people as you can and repeat that over the next few weeks, local radio or even yer man Logie bear. It'll be much appreciated. Thanks, love Mayo
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective would be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
All this coming from a man who predicted Donegal would beat us too
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective would be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
I can't get over the arrogance of Tyrone (well, you in particular). The outrage from Tyrone that Mayo supporters should feel confident ahead of their semi-final is bizarre. We have been in the last 3 All-Ireland semi-finals, in the final last year, beaten the reigning AI champions in each of those years, have won all championship games this year by an average of 15 points, and just demolished last year's champions (who beat Tyrone earlier in the summer you might remember).
That by no means we'll beat Tyrone, but in my opinion, it allows us to feel confident about our chances.
Quote from: moysider on August 07, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Do you think Mayo behaved 'cocky' recently?
How were they cocky?
Mayo were 22 points up at one stage v Donegal and were there any olés from the Mayo fans, even though we were hammmering a team that inflicted one of the most miserable days of our lives. Bit of soundness there - ask the Meath men. Fans from Mayo not cocky either obviously so easy on.
I hope there will be loads of hype in Mayo now. The days are getting short and this is a great distraction.
In the past Mayo beating themselves with hype was used by lazy/ clueless hacks who did not get the big picture. Including local shit.
Hype has never been the cause of our past failings. I ve been posting here a while and my old posts are there to be seen. I d still stand over what I ve posted.
Sure Tyrone can do a number on us. That is sport.
On the other hand, have Dublin and Mayo made the game more ...................... I dunno ...... watchable?
I've spoken to many Mayo folk over the past few days and the level of arrogance is unbelievable. Tyrone are being dismissed as merely a nuisance along the way to the big one in September against the Dubs. Also its very premature to be calling yourselves a great team too as you haven't won the AI......yet! Supporters claiming to have revolutionised the game - even made it more watchable as they have dispatched everyone that has been put in front of them. But I'm sure the Mayo players will be grand as, after all, they have never bottled it in a big game before!
Have to say that Mayo look very strong - outside the performance v Donegal. Last years all Ireland finalists, with a strong squad of savage footballers. Plenty of depth - big names all over the park - i don't accept that they don't have a marquee forward. Outside of frees, Tyrones points have come from midfield in the last few games...O'Neill is lethal when on form but if he doesnt get the ball and is marked by 3 men then tyrone don't have a marquee forward either...scores from other positions will determine the result of this game and Mayo have men as good as anyone else.
Both sets of fans should be pleased that they are where they are...Tyrone maybe more so...i certainly didnt expect to be playing at this stage of the year....
Worth the admission to see O'Shea (s) v Cavanagh(s) - will be a class game and one that i hope can blow away all the negativity surrounding the game and in particular tyrone.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2013, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 07, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Do you think Mayo behaved 'cocky' recently?
How were they cocky?
Mayo were 22 points up at one stage v Donegal and were there any olés from the Mayo fans, even though we were hammmering a team that inflicted one of the most miserable days of our lives. Bit of soundness there - ask the Meath men. Fans from Mayo not cocky either obviously so easy on.
I hope there will be loads of hype in Mayo now. The days are getting short and this is a great distraction.
In the past Mayo beating themselves with hype was used by lazy/ clueless hacks who did not get the big picture. Including local shit.
Hype has never been the cause of our past failings. I ve been posting here a while and my old posts are there to be seen. I d still stand over what I ve posted.
Sure Tyrone can do a number on us. That is sport.
On the other hand, have Dublin and Mayo made the game more ...................... I dunno ...... watchable?
I've spoken to many Mayo folk over the past few days and the level of arrogance is unbelievable. Tyrone are being dismissed as merely a nuisance along the way to the big one in September against the Dubs. Also its very premature to be calling yourselves a great team too as you haven't won the AI......yet! Supporters claiming to have revolutionised the game - even made it more watchable as they have dispatched everyone that has been put in front of them. But I'm sure the Mayo players will be grand as, after all, they have never bottled it in a big game before!
Is it always a Tyrone tactic to be so antagonistic? It applies to supporters as well?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2013, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 07, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Do you think Mayo behaved 'cocky' recently?
How were they cocky?
Mayo were 22 points up at one stage v Donegal and were there any olés from the Mayo fans, even though we were hammmering a team that inflicted one of the most miserable days of our lives. Bit of soundness there - ask the Meath men. Fans from Mayo not cocky either obviously so easy on.
I hope there will be loads of hype in Mayo now. The days are getting short and this is a great distraction.
In the past Mayo beating themselves with hype was used by lazy/ clueless hacks who did not get the big picture. Including local shit.
Hype has never been the cause of our past failings. I ve been posting here a while and my old posts are there to be seen. I d still stand over what I ve posted.
Sure Tyrone can do a number on us. That is sport.
On the other hand, have Dublin and Mayo made the game more ...................... I dunno ...... watchable?
I've spoken to many Mayo folk over the past few days and the level of arrogance is unbelievable. Tyrone are being dismissed as merely a nuisance along the way to the big one in September against the Dubs. Also its very premature to be calling yourselves a great team too as you haven't won the AI......yet! Supporters claiming to have revolutionised the game - even made it more watchable as they have dispatched everyone that has been put in front of them. But I'm sure the Mayo players will be grand as, after all, they have never bottled it in a big game before!
Its the same up here in reverse. I have spoken to a number of tyrone fans and they are only thinking of dublin or kerry in the final. They are simply assuming that mayo will bottle it as usual. They also think the bashing from rte will galavanise harte and the players and propel them on the way to another all ireland.
Quote from: lenny on August 07, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2013, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 07, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Do you think Mayo behaved 'cocky' recently?
How were they cocky?
Mayo were 22 points up at one stage v Donegal and were there any olés from the Mayo fans, even though we were hammmering a team that inflicted one of the most miserable days of our lives. Bit of soundness there - ask the Meath men. Fans from Mayo not cocky either obviously so easy on.
I hope there will be loads of hype in Mayo now. The days are getting short and this is a great distraction.
In the past Mayo beating themselves with hype was used by lazy/ clueless hacks who did not get the big picture. Including local shit.
Hype has never been the cause of our past failings. I ve been posting here a while and my old posts are there to be seen. I d still stand over what I ve posted.
Sure Tyrone can do a number on us. That is sport.
On the other hand, have Dublin and Mayo made the game more ...................... I dunno ...... watchable?
I've spoken to many Mayo folk over the past few days and the level of arrogance is unbelievable. Tyrone are being dismissed as merely a nuisance along the way to the big one in September against the Dubs. Also its very premature to be calling yourselves a great team too as you haven't won the AI......yet! Supporters claiming to have revolutionised the game - even made it more watchable as they have dispatched everyone that has been put in front of them. But I'm sure the Mayo players will be grand as, after all, they have never bottled it in a big game before!
Its the same up here in reverse. I have spoken to a number of tyrone fans and they are only thinking of dublin or kerry in the final. They are simply assuming that mayo will bottle it as usual. They also think the bashing from rte will galavanise harte and the players and propel them on the way to another all ireland.
It will take a bad day at the office from Mayo if Tyrone are to win this. If both teams play to their max then Mayo by 5!!
As a neutral I would just like to state I don't find the Mayo lads arrogant one bit. This is one of best teams I have seen (there has been a few with better players in it, but as a unit they are exceptional), but they will have to win the AI to get the credit.
If this was in a by gone era, then I would fancy Tyrones chances, as they have plenty of motivation with the all the negative publicity they have been getting (undeserved I might add). But the game has moved on, it is at a much more professional level with every aspect and detail of the game worked on. Mangers and coaches these days are now really earning their corn. Even if Mayo have 5/6 poor individual performances, the collective strategy and tactics that the team unit is working to will see them over the line. The high pressing in the oppositions half for turn overs, etc etc. As one of the Tyrone boys said Mayo are a year ahead in their redevelopment (I would say 2), they are also fitter and have greater strength in depth. Mayo will win pulling away in the last ten.
Mayo will beat the dubs, but hopefully Kerry will get through, as I think Mayo will demolish them. And if Tyrone do manage to win Kerry will shit their pants at the sight of them.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective would be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
So you can't, can you?
Using that line of logic one could say with equal validity, "I think I just got a good boot up the arse."
Could it be that the "arrogance" you can't get over may be coming from somewhere else since you are unsure of its origin or could it be that you aren't sure if its arrogance or not?
Maybe you should just calm down and takes what's going on here for what it is: a bit of two-way banter between the supporters of both counties.
Another thing, us long-suffering Mayo fans feel we have good reason to complain also.
Every time we win a game, many outsiders will put it down to the opposition being poor and if the fans feel upbeat it will be put down to in-bred "arrogance."
If Tyrone had pasted Roscommon, it would be regarded as a sure sign that Mickey the Magician had re-invented the wheel and Tyrone were on their way to glory once more. After all, Roscommon had given them a damn good run for their money for two years running.
That's a fact you seem to have conveniently overlooked when you claim Tyrone weren't completely fired up for the third instalment.
BTW, you are the very first Tyronie I've come across that claims Tyrone
hammered Roscommon two years running.
While I'm at it, can you refer to a single half-serious post here where a Mayo poster claimed we'd annihilate Tyrone or that Sam was already in the bag or anything approaching either?
I'm feeling confident that Mayo will win this game and I have good reason to feel that way. What's wrong with that?
Apart from the respective results against Roscommon, Mayo swept Donegal aside and yet Donegal were able to beat Tyrone. Does that count for anything when you start moaning about Mayo's "cockiness?"
Nothing can guarantee a win for Mayo in the next game and I expect a good, tough contest from beginning to end but I'm putting my money on my own county and I think I have good reason to do so.
I expect most Mayo people will feel the same way and what's wrong with that?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
Apart from the respective results against Roscommon, Mayo swept Donegal aside and yet Donegal were able to beat Tyrone. Does that count for anything...
And Monaghan destroyed Donegal, and we...
All futile Lar (though comforting for yourselves, no doubt), all that matters is the now, and not even what happened in Ballybofey in May is remotely relevant.
We're coming off the back of 6 games in 7 weekends, with the last 3 of those on consecutive weekends, so we'll be well fired up on the 25th, and well restored and revivified.
Make no mistake though, and having said all of that, your lads are going into this as raging hot favourites, and rightly so after that ruthless and total annihilation of Donegal on Sunday last. In fact, your lot should probably just be focusing on the final at this stage, the semi is nothing but an irrelevant and impertinent distraction, and you could well be doing without that! ;)
If Mayo win, will there be as big a demand for All-Ireland tickets as ever or will the cumulative effect of the AI-final losses of '89, '96, '97, '04, '06 and '12 dampen the enthusiasm?
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2013, 10:54:48 AM
If Mayo win, will there be as big a demand for All-Ireland tickets as ever or will the cumulative effect of the AI-final losses of '89, '96, '97, '04, '06 and '12 dampen the enthusiasm?
The demand will always be huge but will the county board dissappear a few thousand of their allocation to the town councils and Mayo Co Council like they did last year ;).
The fact that my own club didn't get enough tickets to allocate one to each paid up members tells a tale of the shenanigans that went on as a result of the MacHale Park redevelopement fiasco :o.
There was a lot of Mayo tickets that were not sufficently accounted for allied to the fact that a huge amount of tickets were popping up for sale from a lot of unofficial sources in the week of the final last year for some reason 8).
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 05, 2013, 10:29:07 AM
As I mentioned earlier Mayo/Tyrone championship games in the past have tended to be tight on the scoreboard at the end, so I'd say a rout by either side isn't likely - but not impossible. I'm pretty sure that a lot of yesterdays performance by Mayo against Donegal was down to last year's final loss and the thrash talk of the past week being channelled into a well controlled aggression that was ruthlessly implemented without mercy given. I can't see them getting worked up to the same level against Tyrone so it'll be much more down to abilities of each team. Mayo's team are rightly favourites for this match and I expect them to win (though Tyrone winning would be very nice) but the question for me is can they shake off the jinx of losing the bottle when it matters? If they win Sam this year I can see them being right up there for the rest of this decade if they put that hoodoo to bed.
To be fair we've been right up there for alot of the past two decades, without winning it. But if we did manage to win this one there would be ZERO chance of a back to back. Whatever hype there might have been in Donegal after this years win, you could multiple that by a million in Mayo and we'd be lucky to retain Connacht, but I dont think any of us would be too bothered.
Might be a bit like Galway in 98, 2 or 3 years later might come back for another one.
Theres another example there to keep Mayo people's feet on the ground, 2001, Meath hammer the shite outta the All Ireland champs, Kerry and were unbackable for Sam against Galway, Mayo arent unbackable, but theres a warning there in what happened to Meath in the final, take nothing for granted.
Quote from: lenny on August 07, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2013, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 07, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Do you think Mayo behaved 'cocky' recently?
How were they cocky?
Mayo were 22 points up at one stage v Donegal and were there any olés from the Mayo fans, even though we were hammmering a team that inflicted one of the most miserable days of our lives. Bit of soundness there - ask the Meath men. Fans from Mayo not cocky either obviously so easy on.
I hope there will be loads of hype in Mayo now. The days are getting short and this is a great distraction.
In the past Mayo beating themselves with hype was used by lazy/ clueless hacks who did not get the big picture. Including local shit.
Hype has never been the cause of our past failings. I ve been posting here a while and my old posts are there to be seen. I d still stand over what I ve posted.
Sure Tyrone can do a number on us. That is sport.
On the other hand, have Dublin and Mayo made the game more ...................... I dunno ...... watchable?
I've spoken to many Mayo folk over the past few days and the level of arrogance is unbelievable. Tyrone are being dismissed as merely a nuisance along the way to the big one in September against the Dubs. Also its very premature to be calling yourselves a great team too as you haven't won the AI......yet! Supporters claiming to have revolutionised the game - even made it more watchable as they have dispatched everyone that has been put in front of them. But I'm sure the Mayo players will be grand as, after all, they have never bottled it in a big game before!
Its the same up here in reverse. I have spoken to a number of tyrone fans and they are only thinking of dublin or kerry in the final. They are simply assuming that mayo will bottle it as usual. They also think the bashing from rte will galavanise harte and the players and propel them on the way to another all ireland.
The only time we've probably bottled it was the 2004 final when we should have been at least competitive against an under strength Kerry side, having said that, that game was partially lost by Maughan leaving D Brady on the sideline. 2006 was stupid as it was patently obvious what Kerry's tactics were doing to be (high ball to K Donaghy who was at his best) and we hadnt even bothered to come up with a game plan to attempt to stop it. If Brady had been put on him from the start we could have had a chance. last year was also lost on the line, out thought by J Mc Guinness thinking that Murphy was going to be out the field, when they decided to do a Kerry and plant high ball in on top of Kevin Keane. Horan should have seen what they were at from the first few balls and made a quick change, judgement call not to do so but thats his job. Looks like they have learned from that. We were reasonably competitive besides that in the final (besides Dallas Mrs Kennedy, how was your trip?_
And even if you disagree with that and say Mayo did choke, well that record of choking is only in finals, we have a fine record in Croker at the business end of teh season in quarters and semis so the Tyrone folk thinking Mayo will choke might need to be reminded that its a semi, not a final, so not much chance of Mayo losing by choking I reckon.
Quote from: iorras on August 07, 2013, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 07, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2013, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 07, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
If you lads think that Tyrone have been playing to their full potential in every game this year then you may be in for an awful shock come August 25th. There's hardly a man, bar big Sean, who has reached full tilt yet. There's nothing better than being complete underdogs against a cocky Mayo team!
Do you think Mayo behaved 'cocky' recently?
How were they cocky?
Mayo were 22 points up at one stage v Donegal and were there any olés from the Mayo fans, even though we were hammmering a team that inflicted one of the most miserable days of our lives. Bit of soundness there - ask the Meath men. Fans from Mayo not cocky either obviously so easy on.
I hope there will be loads of hype in Mayo now. The days are getting short and this is a great distraction.
In the past Mayo beating themselves with hype was used by lazy/ clueless hacks who did not get the big picture. Including local shit.
Hype has never been the cause of our past failings. I ve been posting here a while and my old posts are there to be seen. I d still stand over what I ve posted.
Sure Tyrone can do a number on us. That is sport.
On the other hand, have Dublin and Mayo made the game more ...................... I dunno ...... watchable?
I've spoken to many Mayo folk over the past few days and the level of arrogance is unbelievable. Tyrone are being dismissed as merely a nuisance along the way to the big one in September against the Dubs. Also its very premature to be calling yourselves a great team too as you haven't won the AI......yet! Supporters claiming to have revolutionised the game - even made it more watchable as they have dispatched everyone that has been put in front of them. But I'm sure the Mayo players will be grand as, after all, they have never bottled it in a big game before!
Its the same up here in reverse. I have spoken to a number of tyrone fans and they are only thinking of dublin or kerry in the final. They are simply assuming that mayo will bottle it as usual. They also think the bashing from rte will galavanise harte and the players and propel them on the way to another all ireland.
The only time we've probably bottled it was the 2004 final when we should have been at least competitive against an under strength Kerry side, having said that, that game was partially lost by Maughan leaving D Brady on the sideline. 2006 was stupid as it was patently obvious what Kerry's tactics were doing to be (high ball to K Donaghy who was at his best) and we hadnt even bothered to come up with a game plan to attempt to stop it. If Brady had been put on him from the start we could have had a chance. last year was also lost on the line, out thought by J Mc Guinness thinking that Murphy was going to be out the field, when they decided to do a Kerry and plant high ball in on top of Kevin Keane. Horan should have seen what they were at from the first few balls and made a quick change, judgement call not to do so but thats his job. Looks like they have learned from that. We were reasonably competitive besides that in the final (besides Dallas Mrs Kennedy, how was your trip?_
And even if you disagree with that and say Mayo did choke, well that record of choking is only in finals, we have a fine record in Croker at the business end of teh season in quarters and semis so the Tyrone folk thinking Mayo will choke might need to be reminded that its a semi, not a final, so not much chance of Mayo losing by choking I reckon.
That reads like "we've always had the better players, we lost it on the line every year." The arrogance in here is sickening.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
Apart from the respective results against Roscommon, Mayo swept Donegal aside and yet Donegal were able to beat Tyrone. Does that count for anything...
And Monaghan destroyed Donegal, and we...
All futile Lar (though comforting for yourselves, no doubt), all that matters is the now, and not even what happened in Ballybofey in May is remotely relevant.
We're coming off the back of 6 games in 7 weekends, with the last 3 of those on consecutive weekends, so we'll be well fired up on the 25th, and well restored and revivified.
Make no mistake though, and having said all of that, your lads are going into this as raging hot favourites, and rightly so after that ruthless and total annihilation of Donegal on Sunday last. In fact, your lot should probably just be focusing on the final at this stage, the semi is nothing but an irrelevant and impertinent distraction, and you could well be doing without that! ;)
Ah, fair play, Fear. I knew you'd drop in sooner or latter. It's comforting to know that there's at least one Tyronie knocking around who can (sometimes) tell his arse from his elbow. ;D
Speaking of which, your solicitude for our welfare touches me in the appropriate place. (Don't worry; the effect is only temporary and I'll be able soon to sit down again.)
I know you're coming off the back of 6 games in 7 weeks and I agree that what has happened in the past will should have no bearing on the game coming up next.
But one cannot be sure.
The fact is Mayo will be gong into this game without the benefit of having one serious match to sharpen their wits and skills. (That's if they have any of either quality- going be the
shite reasoned analysis we're getting from your lot.)
Maybe by the time our shower wake up, Mickey will have the team bus booked for Croke Park in late September.
It's all maybe I suppose. Going by the vibes emanating from the bushes, Stephen O'Neill should be preparing his "A chairde Ghaeil, tá áthas orm..." speech right now.
Arra, I dunno. I guess we'll turn up anyway and just hope for the best.
But there's always the chance that our incredible run of lucky victories will continue and that Tyrone won't bother to put up fight all of our opponents to date.
Only time will tell...
trileacman you're an awful arrogant hoor
Quote from: iorras on August 07, 2013, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 05, 2013, 10:29:07 AM
As I mentioned earlier Mayo/Tyrone championship games in the past have tended to be tight on the scoreboard at the end, so I'd say a rout by either side isn't likely - but not impossible. I'm pretty sure that a lot of yesterdays performance by Mayo against Donegal was down to last year's final loss and the thrash talk of the past week being channelled into a well controlled aggression that was ruthlessly implemented without mercy given. I can't see them getting worked up to the same level against Tyrone so it'll be much more down to abilities of each team. Mayo's team are rightly favourites for this match and I expect them to win (though Tyrone winning would be very nice) but the question for me is can they shake off the jinx of losing the bottle when it matters? If they win Sam this year I can see them being right up there for the rest of this decade if they put that hoodoo to bed.
To be fair we've been right up there for alot of the past two decades, without winning it. But if we did manage to win this one there would be ZERO chance of a back to back. Whatever hype there might have been in Donegal after this years win, you could multiple that by a million in Mayo and we'd be lucky to retain Connacht, but I dont think any of us would be too bothered.
Might be a bit like Galway in 98, 2 or 3 years later might come back for another one.
Theres another example there to keep Mayo people's feet on the ground, 2001, Meath hammer the shite outta the All Ireland champs, Kerry and were unbackable for Sam against Galway, Mayo arent unbackable, but theres a warning there in what happened to Meath in the final, take nothing for granted.
Talking about the potential of back to backs? Unbelievable arrogance.
I have to say that this years Mayo team and Mayo fans in general don't appear to be arrogant. I'd say ruthless, and confident just like every other county left in this years championship. This is coming from a Galway man.
There's nearly an attitude being labelled on Mayo that don't let the muck savages west of the Shannon get ahead of themselves. However it's okay to have the confidence of the Aristocrats down in Kerry or the magical Dubs without being labelled arrogant.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 07, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 07, 2013, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 05, 2013, 10:29:07 AM
As I mentioned earlier Mayo/Tyrone championship games in the past have tended to be tight on the scoreboard at the end, so I'd say a rout by either side isn't likely - but not impossible. I'm pretty sure that a lot of yesterdays performance by Mayo against Donegal was down to last year's final loss and the thrash talk of the past week being channelled into a well controlled aggression that was ruthlessly implemented without mercy given. I can't see them getting worked up to the same level against Tyrone so it'll be much more down to abilities of each team. Mayo's team are rightly favourites for this match and I expect them to win (though Tyrone winning would be very nice) but the question for me is can they shake off the jinx of losing the bottle when it matters? If they win Sam this year I can see them being right up there for the rest of this decade if they put that hoodoo to bed.
To be fair we've been right up there for alot of the past two decades, without winning it. But if we did manage to win this one there would be ZERO chance of a back to back. Whatever hype there might have been in Donegal after this years win, you could multiple that by a million in Mayo and we'd be lucky to retain Connacht, but I dont think any of us would be too bothered.
Might be a bit like Galway in 98, 2 or 3 years later might come back for another one.
Theres another example there to keep Mayo people's feet on the ground, 2001, Meath hammer the shite outta the All Ireland champs, Kerry and were unbackable for Sam against Galway, Mayo arent unbackable, but theres a warning there in what happened to Meath in the final, take nothing for granted.
Talking about the potential of back to backs? Unbelievable arrogance.
Dismissing our potential back to backs in such a flippant arrogant way has taken this thread to a new low.
Where is Joe Brolly the only gael to operate on any sort of moral high ground and who can save us from this sea of arrogance.
Think of the children :o
Quote from: EC Unique on August 07, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 07, 2013, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 05, 2013, 10:29:07 AM
As I mentioned earlier Mayo/Tyrone championship games in the past have tended to be tight on the scoreboard at the end, so I'd say a rout by either side isn't likely - but not impossible. I'm pretty sure that a lot of yesterdays performance by Mayo against Donegal was down to last year's final loss and the thrash talk of the past week being channelled into a well controlled aggression that was ruthlessly implemented without mercy given. I can't see them getting worked up to the same level against Tyrone so it'll be much more down to abilities of each team. Mayo's team are rightly favourites for this match and I expect them to win (though Tyrone winning would be very nice) but the question for me is can they shake off the jinx of losing the bottle when it matters? If they win Sam this year I can see them being right up there for the rest of this decade if they put that hoodoo to bed.
To be fair we've been right up there for alot of the past two decades, without winning it. But if we did manage to win this one there would be ZERO chance of a back to back. Whatever hype there might have been in Donegal after this years win, you could multiple that by a million in Mayo and we'd be lucky to retain Connacht, but I dont think any of us would be too bothered.
Might be a bit like Galway in 98, 2 or 3 years later might come back for another one.
Theres another example there to keep Mayo people's feet on the ground, 2001, Meath hammer the shite outta the All Ireland champs, Kerry and were unbackable for Sam against Galway, Mayo arent unbackable, but theres a warning there in what happened to Meath in the final, take nothing for granted.
Talking about the potential of back to backs? Unbelievable arrogance.
I agree but, sweet holy haystacks, I'm thinking of you, not iorras
Re-read the post that offends you so much and tell me what you make of this:
"But
if we did manage to win this one
there would be ZERO chance of a back to back.Now if you get down off your high horse you might care to tell us what's rattling your cage?
BTW, be careful when dismounting because you'd have a long way to fall if you're not. ;D
Basically you are weighing up your chances of back to back and explaining why it is unlikely before you even reach the final never mind win one....
Quote from: EC Unique on August 07, 2013, 01:33:04 PM
Basically you are weighing up your chances of back to back and explaining why it is unlikely before you even reach the final never mind win one....
Fair enough; that's much more reasonable but, while I can't presume to speak for iorras, I think you still don't grasp his meaning.
You say he is weighing up our chances of doing a back to back, while he maintains that if ever we manage to win one, there isn't a hope in hell that we'd win the next one as well.
I think he's weighed up our chances and concluded there's nothing to weigh. I agree with that and I don't believe any Mayo person would think otherwise.
Bear in mind that he didn't even mention this year or infer in any way that we will be in the final.
Some of the Tyrone lads here are trying the same tactic that Jimmy and Rory Gallagher tried last week.
Trying to attack a perceived mental weakness in the opposition (in this case the arrogance of the fans ::)), before the match, is not quite how Kerry brought us down.
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads here are trying the same tactic that Jimmy and Rory Gallagher tried last week.
Trying to attack a perceived mental weakness in the opposition (in this case the arrogance of the fans ::)), before the match, is not quite how Kerry brought us down.
Well if that is their tactics I say to all the Tyrone men on this thread good luck with that, because like any Mayoman I have a long list of mental weaknesses and you can attack away. You won't be the first and it will all end in tears before you make any headway.
Start calling them Mayo-WestRos, lads. Be sure to ping them on it regularly. That'll unsettle boarder fellas like Andy, Alan Freeman and Keith Higgins. Ye'll get them yet.
Any chance of a moratorium on the use of the word "arrogant" on this thread?
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads here are trying the same tactic that Jimmy and Rory Gallagher tried last week.
Trying to attack a perceived mental weakness in the opposition (in this case the arrogance of the fans ::)), before the match, is not quite how Kerry brought us down.
You always have to look for flaws, actually present or fictional before going into a big game to give yourself belief. I'd hardly expect Tyrone to have the attitude of right,where do ye want us lads?
Tyrone will turn up expecting to do a number on us, if you don't believe in yourself you may as well not even tog out. Tyrone don't have a rake of Celtic crosses in their arse pockets for nothing.
However, we'll be ready for the dance too.
Tyrone will not get away with short kickouts like they did v Monaghan. Our front 6 will be all over them like a rash. That'll force them to kick it long and I'm happy enough with that. I know the underfoot conditions were terrible the last day but can the Tyrone lads tell me how the feel about the likes McLoughlin, Boyle, Vaughan and Higgins pace going at McMahon and Peter Harte? Do the have the legs? if Harte continues to be as slow and ponderous on the ball, he'll get turned over and over again.
From our point of view, we'll need to keep a close eye on Donnelly x 2. They've been pulling the strings IMO and obviously Cavanagh, keep him to 1 or 2 points and I'll be happy. Clerkin got in about him the last day and kept him fairly quiet.
Looking forward to the match ups, should be a cracker.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 07, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
Any chance of a moratorium on the use of the word "arrogant" on this thread?
That's arrogant talk !!!! Burn him ;D.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective would be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
I have to say i totally agree with you there, you cannot compare a game Mayo had with Roscommon with a game Tyrone had with Roscommon. There are no comparisons. It would be like comparing Tyrones game with Donegal and Mayo's game with Donegal. Totally incomparable.
If I was Tyrone I would be worried about Dublin too. Cannot be wasting time thinking about this semi final as it is unlikely Mayo will win this semi final. History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago.
And Tyrone didn't fare so well after those hammerings v us. Monaghan,Meath both played div 3 football like ourselves so i suppose Tyrone weren't fully fired up for those games either...
Quote from: ross4life on August 07, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago.
And Tyrone didn't fare so well after those hammerings v us. Monaghan,Meath both played div 3 football like ourselves so i suppose Tyrone weren't fully fired up for those games either...
Look, you are not looking at this correctly. Tyrone made the league final and lost to Dublin. Dublin is the team that they are thinking about and fear. They could not fear Mayo as Mayo don't do well in games in Croker, have not been tested yet and had a poor league.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 07:15:36 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 07, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago.
And Tyrone didn't fare so well after those hammerings v us. Monaghan,Meath both played div 3 football like ourselves so i suppose Tyrone weren't fully fired up for those games either...
Look, you are not looking at this correctly. Tyrone made the league final and lost to Dublin. Dublin is the team that they are thinking about and fear. They could not fear Mayo as Mayo don't do well in games in Croker, have not been tested yet and had a poor league.
Totally agree. And Mayo will wilt under the pressure of those rugby tackles too.
Take me home to Mayo!
(penned by an Ulster man)
QuoteAnd Mayo will wilt under the pressure of those rugby tackles too.
Surely such extreme measures will not be need against chokers?
Quote from: armaghniac on August 07, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
QuoteAnd Mayo will wilt under the pressure of those rugby tackles too.
Surely such extreme measures will not be need against chokers?
My thoughts too. A small push here and little pull there should do the trick against Mayo! Tyrone are lucky they never had to endure the stigma of losing to Chokers like Mayo in Croke Park!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 09:33:53 PM
Tyrone are lucky they never had to endure the stigma of losing to Chokers like Mayo in Croke Park!
Huh?! 1989, 2004, how it hurts! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Are there any members of the 1951 team (that were cursed) still alive?
Yerra ye know those old piseogs.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 07, 2013, 09:50:44 PM
Are there any members of the 1951 team (that were cursed) still alive?
Yerra ye know those old piseogs.
At least three on last count. Mayo v Curse might be the closest shave of the year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 07, 2013, 09:50:44 PM
Are there any members of the 1951 team (that were cursed) still alive?
Yerra ye know those old piseogs.
At least three on last count. Mayo v Curse might be the closest shave of the year.
Reek Sunday regulars.
Paudi O Se always maintained that it was the red headed woman he met leaving Ventry and not Seamus Darby's nudge that cost him the 1982 AI ;)
After Sunday it's hard not to have Mayo as hot favourites to win this. They were highly impressive throughout the pitch. Tyrone need to stay in the game for 45 minutes then hope that our experience of close games gets us over the line. The players have plenty of experience of winning All Ireland's. around 11 of the team will have won at least one at minor or senior level which is great experience for big games like this.
I really hope Stevie o'neill can have 3 weeks injury free now because if he gets himself right he could still have a huge part to play in the championship.
Hope this doesn't get too bitter on here. I'd have a lot of time for Mayo and if they beat us would be great to see them win it. Having said that I'd much prefer if they had to wait another year!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Yeah, but despite Mayo having a poor record in Croke Park, they reach allot of Semi-finals and Finals.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 09:33:53 PM
Tyrone are lucky they never had to endure the stigma of losing to Chokers like Mayo in Croke Park!
Huh?! 1989, 2004, how it hurts! ;)
Surely that wasn't in Croke Park? We never win in Croke Park! Oh the shame.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 10:41:51 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Yeah, but despite Mayo having a poor record in Croke Park, they reach allot of Semi-finals and Finals.
I think it's best to lose this semi final and work on that poor Croke park record next year.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 07, 2013, 09:57:04 PM
Paudi O Se always maintained that it was the red headed woman he met leaving Ventry and not Seamus Darby's nudge that cost him the 1982 AI ;)
what she do with him ......
If Mayo get past Tyrone would they prefer Dublin or Kerry in the final?
Also most neutrals in country rooting for Mayo, only downside would be looking at Enda Kenny weaseling his way into every photo opportunity!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 09:33:53 PM
Tyrone are lucky they never had to endure the stigma of losing to Chokers like Mayo in Croke Park!
Huh?! 1989, 2004, how it hurts! ;)
Yeah and you could throw '95 in as well- the one that got away.
Tyrone put up with an awful lot of disappointments before finally winning their first.
Credit be given where credit is due; they kept plugging away, year after year when they started winning Ulster finals on a fairly frequent basis (c. 1984?)until they got there in the end.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 10:41:51 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Yeah, but despite Mayo having a poor record in Croke Park, they reach allot of Semi-finals and Finals.
I think it's best to lose this semi final and work on that poor Croke park record next year.
Thank you Doctor! Will I collect my prescription on the way out.
Quote from: Orangemac on August 07, 2013, 10:59:36 PM
If Mayo get past Tyrone would they prefer Dublin or Kerry in the final?
Also most neutrals in country rooting for Mayo, only downside would be looking at Enda Kenny weaseling his way into every photo opportunity!
Don't worry Orangemac it looks like we will soon offload IInnndaaa to Europe like we did with that genius of the department of finance Kevin Cardiff so hopefully we won't have to suffer him for too much longer!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Janey Mac! Either I or both you and Bunker need remedial help ASAP!
When did Mayo or any other county ever reach a final unless they won a semi to get there first?
I expect (and hope) that Mayo will win this semi final. Tyrone have a very tactically astute manager and (despite it not being their best ever panel) a competitive bunch of players who know what it takes to eek out narrow victories.
Mayo had every championship 2013 match won by half time. Tyrone will do everything in their power (negative, cynical etc) to ensure the westerners don't get a good start. Aidan O'Se will be targeted in the hope that he reacts and gets sent off. Vaughan the same. Cillian O'Connor will be hit on (but mostly off) the ball in the hope that he gets taken out of the game.
The plus for Mayo in all of this is that it's exactly what they need if they're to enter the AI final and win it. They need a dog of a match where they have to dig deep in the 2nd half in order to win ugly.
They have the overall skill, hunger, ambition and physical conditioning to beat this limited but determined Tyrone side. Mayo by 6pt.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Janey Mac! Either I or both you and Bunker need remedial help ASAP!
When did Mayo or any other county ever reach a final unless they won a semi to get there first?
My thoughts exactly Lar but presume Bunker was being sarcastic ?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Janey Mac! Either I or both you and Bunker need remedial help ASAP!
When did Mayo or any other county ever reach a final unless they won a semi to get there first?
Lar you don't understand, we have a terrible record in Croke Park! But you've hit on something there, if we have reached allot of finals then where did we play the Quarter finals and semi finals?
Quote from: ross matt on August 07, 2013, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Janey Mac! Either I or both you and Bunker need remedial help ASAP!
When did Mayo or any other county ever reach a final unless they won a semi to get there first?
My thoughts exactly Lar but presume Bunker was being sarcastic ?
Doubt it its far too late in the year for that kinda of messing
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Janey Mac! Either I or both you and Bunker need remedial help ASAP!
When did Mayo or any other county ever reach a final unless they won a semi to get there first?
Lar you don't understand, we have a terrible record in Croke Park! But you've hit on something there, if we have reached allot of finals then where did we play the Quarter finals and semi finals?
The other teams lost in Croke park for Mayo to win. All Tyrone have to do in this game is to score more than Mayo.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 11:49:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Janey Mac! Either I or both you and Bunker need remedial help ASAP!
When did Mayo or any other county ever reach a final unless they won a semi to get there first?
Lar you don't understand, we have a terrible record in Croke Park! But you've hit on something there, if we have reached allot of finals then where did we play the Quarter finals and semi finals?
The other teams lost in Croke park for Mayo to win. All Tyrone have to do in this game is to score more than Mayo.
And beat the ref too, of course.
That is figuratively, not literally, ye animals!
Quote from: ross matt on August 07, 2013, 11:09:17 PM
I expect (and hope) that Mayo will win this semi final. Tyrone have a very tactically astute manager and (despite it not being their best ever panel) a competitive bunch of players who know what it takes to eek out narrow victories.
Mayo had every championship 2013 match won by half time. Tyrone will do everything in their power (negative, cynical etc) to ensure the westerners don't get a good start. Aidan O'Se will be targeted in the hope that he reacts and gets sent off. Vaughan the same. Cillian O'Connor will be hit on (but mostly off) the ball in the hope that he gets taken out of the game.
The plus for Mayo in all of this is that it's exactly what they need if they're to enter the AI final and win it. They need a dog of a match where they have to dig deep in the 2nd half in order to win ugly.
They have the overall skill, hunger, ambition and physical conditioning to beat this limited but determined Tyrone side. Mayo by 6pt.
Where as Mayo will practically play basketball and attempt to implement a none contact game. ::)
Quote from: ballinaman on August 07, 2013, 08:39:13 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
I honestly can't get over the arrogance that seems to be coming out of Mayo. Why the constant reference to the Roscommon game too? Tyrone have hammered them two years running therefore I'm sure they weren;t completely fired up for the third installment a few weeks ago. All this cockiness from Mayo is allowing Tyrone to be completely written off from every quarter. Mayo are a good team, but to be honest I don't see them as being anything special and the only team I would be worried about from a Tyrone perspective would be Dublin. Great cover from Tyrone to come in as overwhelming underdogs against a team notorious for choking. There is no way Mayo are going to hammer 3 or 4 goals by Tyrone and no way that O'Connor's luck will continue into this game.
Can you speak to as many Tyrone people as you can and repeat that over the next few weeks, local radio or even yer man Logie bear. It'll be much appreciated. Thanks, love Mayo
Great stuff,the more Tyrone people thinking this the better.Spread the word up there.
Quote from: DJGaliv on August 07, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
I have to say that this years Mayo team and Mayo fans in general don't appear to be arrogant. I'd say ruthless, and confident just like every other county left in this years championship. This is coming from a Galway man.
There's nearly an attitude being labelled on Mayo that don't let the muck savages west of the Shannon get ahead of themselves. However it's okay to have the confidence of the Aristocrats down in Kerry or the magical Dubs without being labelled arrogant.
Nail on head there.
Have to say i dont think what any other supports say about us will slightly effect Horan and the boys.They're totally driven to hit the levels they know they can get too.If they can do that for two games we will win Sam,if they can't we may still have a chance or we may not.Anything else is just bluster.
Quote from: ross matt on August 07, 2013, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
History shows us that Mayo are chokers in Croke Park and only get to Finals the years that they win semi finals.
Are you saying if Mayo lose this semi final they won't reach the final?
Janey Mac! Either I or both you and Bunker need remedial help ASAP!
When did Mayo or any other county ever reach a final unless they won a semi to get there first?
My thoughts exactly Lar but presume Bunker was being sarcastic ?
I know damn well he was. ;D
I just thought it was so daft that anyone wouldn't take him seriously.
Obviously, there's at least one who did!
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads here are trying the same tactic that Jimmy and Rory Gallagher tried last week.
Trying to attack a perceived mental weakness in the opposition (in this case the arrogance of the fans ::)), before the match, is not quite how Kerry brought us down.
This is great I have to say.Everyone calling us arrogant and cocky (God,i'm glad we left the chokers name behind ::)) And Mayo fans laughing it off in general bemusement! Let them off with whatever they throw at us and we'll let the lads reply on the field.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 08, 2013, 09:11:59 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on August 07, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
I have to say that this years Mayo team and Mayo fans in general don't appear to be arrogant. I'd say ruthless, and confident just like every other county left in this years championship. This is coming from a Galway man.
There's nearly an attitude being labelled on Mayo that don't let the muck savages west of the Shannon get ahead of themselves. However it's okay to have the confidence of the Aristocrats down in Kerry or the magical Dubs without being labelled arrogant.
Nail on head there.
Have to say i dont think what any other supports say about us will slightly effect Horan and the boys.They're totally driven to hit the levels they know they can get too.If they can do that for two games we will win Sam,if they can't we may still have a chance or we may not.Anything else is just bluster.
Yet in your post above you seem to think what Tyrone supporters think, will affect how Tyrone preform? Strange!!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 08, 2013, 09:50:15 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 08, 2013, 09:11:59 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on August 07, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
I have to say that this years Mayo team and Mayo fans in general don't appear to be arrogant. I'd say ruthless, and confident just like every other county left in this years championship. This is coming from a Galway man.
There's nearly an attitude being labelled on Mayo that don't let the muck savages west of the Shannon get ahead of themselves. However it's okay to have the confidence of the Aristocrats down in Kerry or the magical Dubs without being labelled arrogant.
Nail on head there.
Have to say i dont think what any other supports say about us will slightly effect Horan and the boys.They're totally driven to hit the levels they know they can get too.If they can do that for two games we will win Sam,if they can't we may still have a chance or we may not.Anything else is just bluster.
Yet in your post above you seem to think what Tyrone supporters think, will affect how Tyrone preform? Strange!!
Erm,yeah thats my point.All the mind games and we're either cocky or chokers,take your pic will not effect Mayo.We are a level ahead of that rubbish and Horan and the team are focused on themselves and nothing else.Thats in the case of Mayo.In Tyrones case they may or may not be effected by sides shows,they have huge experience in fairness but better let them spend energy trying to figure what the mood of Mayo supporters is (and get it completely wrong by the way) than have them fully focused on the match as wee are.
Mayo have been very impressive so far this year, but from some of the talk floating about you would swear that the Tyrone team is littered with average players in comparison to the Mayo team. Tyrone have as good a player as Mayo do, and I think this match will be very tight with only a few points in it.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
Mayo have been very impressive so far this year, but from some of the talk floating about you would swear that the Tyrone team is littered with average players in comparison to the Mayo team. Tyrone have as good a player as Mayo do, and I think this match will be very tight with only a few points in it.
Agree with everything except Tyrone have better players.They don't.They may win the next day,it'll be a tight game no doubt but if they do win it'll be down to experience and their top players playing out of their skin and Mayo having an off day.
Yes, but back to the real topic, what about Roscommon? There must be additional Rossie related topics that can be gleaned from this semi final match up?
Have we had no references to the fact that they are in the minor semi final (t'other one) and some potential impacts that fact could have on Mayo and Tyrone? Very slack if we haven't, up the game a small bit please lads.
Mayo posters here start off by saying that they aren't arrogant then proceed to show themselves to be sickeningly so. This whole nudge nudge, wink wink sarcastic nonsense about not being able to play at Croker, that you have no forward line, that you have never beaten AI champions etc thinking ye are hilarious replying to each other, is excruciating, as we have heard it all before. Youse are favourites to win this game and the all Ireland, and rightly so, but wind yer necks in until after ye actually win something lads!
Quote from: Kimbap on August 08, 2013, 10:21:31 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
Mayo have been very impressive so far this year, but from some of the talk floating about you would swear that the Tyrone team is littered with average players in comparison to the Mayo team. Tyrone have as good a player as Mayo do, and I think this match will be very tight with only a few points in it.
Agree with everything except Tyrone have better players.They don't.They may win the next day,it'll be a tight game no doubt but if they do win it'll be down to experience and their top players playing out of their skin and Mayo having an off day.
He did not say that Tyrone had better players. He said they were as good.
So for Tyrone to win they have to play out of their skin plus Mayo have an off day? Mmmm?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
Mayo posters here start off by saying that they aren't arrogant then proceed to show themselves to be sickeningly so. This whole nudge nudge, wink wink sarcastic nonsense about not being able to play at Croker, that you have no forward line, that you have never beaten AI champions etc thinking ye are hilarious replying to each other, is excruciating, as we have heard it all before. Youse are favourites to win this game and the all Ireland, and rightly so, but wind yer necks in until after he actually win something lads!
+1
But not just Mayo supporters. The idea that what some poster writes on T'internet will make any difference to the preparation of the game for the two counties is nonsense. Sometimes I think we may have an inflated sense of importance.
Speak your mind, call the game as you see it and stop the arse boxing.
If Mayo start well I think they'll win it. They've slightly stronger forwards and that'll prob be the difference. Our forward 6 is less settled. If they pull ahead early, it could be big trouble, as they'll play better football then when Tyrone's chasing the game. However if Tyrone can keep close in the final quarter, I'd fancy they to close the game out better.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
Mayo posters here start off by saying that they aren't arrogant then proceed to show themselves to be sickeningly so. This whole nudge nudge, wink wink sarcastic nonsense about not being able to play at Croker, that you have no forward line, that you have never beaten AI champions etc thinking ye are hilarious replying to each other, is excruciating, as we have heard it all before. Youse are favourites to win this game and the all Ireland, and rightly so, but wind yer necks in until after he actually win something lads!
Jealous?
Would you lighten up a bit for gods sake.
The past three years have been great to be a Mayo supporter, especially after the year we had in 2010. So why can't we enjoy it?
We have a serious squad and management team who only want one thing this year and that is Sam.
I do believe we will beat Tyrone and win the All- Ireland. You now will say this is more arrogance, but I call it belief. I know first had how had the lads have trained this year and during the winter last year and they fully deserve to win. We have won all four of our championship games by 61 points, that to me shows a team who are ruthless and determined on winning.
People need to get over all these old sterotypes about choking and bottling. We lost in the past because we were not good enough end of. The teams of the past have nothing to do with the currrent one.
More and more hoping Tyrone win after some of the shite on this thread.
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 08, 2013, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
Mayo posters here start off by saying that they aren't arrogant then proceed to show themselves to be sickeningly so. This whole nudge nudge, wink wink sarcastic nonsense about not being able to play at Croker, that you have no forward line, that you have never beaten AI champions etc thinking ye are hilarious replying to each other, is excruciating, as we have heard it all before. Youse are favourites to win this game and the all Ireland, and rightly so, but wind yer necks in until after he actually win something lads!
Jealous?
Would you lighten up a bit for gods sake.
The past three years have been great to be a Mayo supporter, especially after the year we had in 2010. So why can't we enjoy it?
We have a serious squad and management team who only want one thing this year and that is Sam.
I do believe we will beat Tyrone and win the All- Ireland. You now will say this is more arrogance, but I call it belief. I know first had how had the lads have trained this year and during the winter last year and they fully deserve to win. We have won all four of our championship games by 61 points, that to me shows a team who are ruthless and determined on winning.
People need to get over all these old sterotypes about choking and bottling. We lost in the past because we were not good enough end of. The teams of the past have nothing to do with the currrent one.
Why on earth would I be jealous? That's a bizarre comment. And it's your own lads who keep sarcastically banging on about being chokers etc! This will have no impact on your players though and if they are good enough they will win!
I'm worried.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 08, 2013, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
Mayo posters here start off by saying that they aren't arrogant then proceed to show themselves to be sickeningly so. This whole nudge nudge, wink wink sarcastic nonsense about not being able to play at Croker, that you have no forward line, that you have never beaten AI champions etc thinking ye are hilarious replying to each other, is excruciating, as we have heard it all before. Youse are favourites to win this game and the all Ireland, and rightly so, but wind yer necks in until after he actually win something lads!
+1
But not just Mayo supporters. The idea that what some poster writes on T'internet will make any difference to the preparation of the game for the two counties is nonsense. Sometimes I think we may have an inflated sense of importance.
Speak your mind, call the game as you see it and stop the arse boxing.
If Mayo start well I think they'll win it. They've slightly stronger forwards and that'll prob be the difference. Our forward 6 is less settled. If they pull ahead early, it could be big trouble, as they'll play better football then when Tyrone's chasing the game. However if Tyrone can keep close in the final quarter, I'd fancy they to close the game out better.
Good post.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 08, 2013, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 08, 2013, 10:21:31 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
Mayo have been very impressive so far this year, but from some of the talk floating about you would swear that the Tyrone team is littered with average players in comparison to the Mayo team. Tyrone have as good a player as Mayo do, and I think this match will be very tight with only a few points in it.
Agree with everything except Tyrone have better players.They don't.They may win the next day,it'll be a tight game no doubt but if they do win it'll be down to experience and their top players playing out of their skin and Mayo having an off day.
He did not say that Tyrone had better players. He said they were as good.
So for Tyrone to win they have to play out of their skin plus Mayo have an off day? Mmmm?
Sorry,my mistake.
Ok,well on current form they are not as good.If you could only pick all stars this year so far from Tyrone and mayo.Mayo would have 12 and Tyrone maybe three.
Im not saying some Tyrone experienced heads and up and coming young lads plus some brilliant Mickey Harte master stroke can't win this game,they can (but not if Mayo are the level of performance they were the last day)
The bottom line is more things have to fall into place for Tyrone to win than Mayo.Im not being arrogant or cocky (ive been there for all the heartbreak) and am just trying to look at the facts as i see them and take it one game at a time.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 08, 2013, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2013, 11:49:57 AM
I'm worried.
I'd be worried if you weren't ;)
And I'd be worried if the whole of Mayo from Enda Kenny down* weren't worried that Farr wasn't worried. ;D
Begorrah, tornadoes and earthquakes we could put up with but Farr lightening up would be a step too far.
On mature reflection, that should be "up."
We need Barney back, to quell the hype and to blame the County Board for everything.
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
Can't see anything other than a comprehensive Mayo win.Tyrone don't have the forwards to beat a top team like Mayo.We're depending on Cavanagh scoring 5 or 6 pts but the forwards aren't pulling their weight.We were fortunate enough to draw Monaghan as I don't think we would have beaten any of the other 3.We can live in hope though.
Where is Barney anyway?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2013, 03:33:37 PM
Where is Barney anyway?
in the home for the bewildered. couldn't handle the positivity
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 08, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
Can't see anything other than a comprehensive Mayo win.Tyrone don't have the forwards to beat a top team like Mayo.We're depending on Cavanagh scoring 5 or 6 pts but the forwards aren't pulling their weight.We were fortunate enough to draw Monaghan as I don't think we would have beaten any of the other 3.We can live in hope though.
If there wasn't hope there wouldn't be a single Mayo poster on this forum.
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 08, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
Can't see anything other than a comprehensive Mayo win.Tyrone don't have the forwards to beat a top team like Mayo.We're depending on Cavanagh scoring 5 or 6 pts but the forwards aren't pulling their weight.We were fortunate enough to draw Monaghan as I don't think we would have beaten any of the other 3.We can live in hope though.
All joking aside this is how I feel. I really hope Tyrone win but I think Mayo will. A couple of years too early for this Tyrone side that has a lot of young players not experienced at this level in comparison to Mayo. No matter who wins I hope the All Ireland champions come from this fixture.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 08, 2013, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 08, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
Can't see anything other than a comprehensive Mayo win.Tyrone don't have the forwards to beat a top team like Mayo.We're depending on Cavanagh scoring 5 or 6 pts but the forwards aren't pulling their weight.We were fortunate enough to draw Monaghan as I don't think we would have beaten any of the other 3.We can live in hope though.
All joking aside this is how I feel. I really hope Tyrone win but I think Mayo will. A couple of years too early for this Tyrone side that has a lot of young players not experienced at this level in comparison to Mayo. No matter who wins I hope the All Ireland champions come from this fixture.
+1. I would actually love to see Mayo win the All Ireland, they, more than most counties have been consistently there or thereabouts over the years but this team does seem to have a little more about them than previous years and full credit to James Horan. It's going to be a massive task for Tyrone but you never know!
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
+1
Can't see us winning by any less than 5 points.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
Lucky that they're playing a team that broken Donegal side beat well, then.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
True Donegal were heading toward the edge all year and Mayo pushed (or should i say heavily shoved them) over the edge. They have been in gradual decline and Tyrone probably met Donegal at their least vulnerable. That said they did lose by six points to them. So while you don't give credit to Mayo beating them (which is fair enough). Where do ye stand in losing by six points to them?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
True Donegal were heading toward the edge all year and Mayo pushed (or should i say heavily shoved them) over the edge. They have been in gradual decline and Tyrone probably met Donegal at their least vulnerable. That said they did lose by six points to them. So while you don't give credit to Mayo beating them (which is fair enough). Where do ye stand in losing by six points to them?
Mayo may well be the best thing since fried bread – only time will tell. But I think that it could be a mistake to draw a line of form through Donegal's defeat of Tyrone in Ulster. Jim McGuinness repeated many times during the National League that their focus was on the game against Tyrone.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
True Donegal were heading toward the edge all year and Mayo pushed (or should i say heavily shoved them) over the edge. They have been in gradual decline and Tyrone probably met Donegal at their least vulnerable. That said they did lose by six points to them. So while you don't give credit to Mayo beating them (which is fair enough). Where do ye stand in losing by six points to them?
Mayo may well be the best thing since fried bread – only time will tell. But I think that it could be a mistake to draw a line of form through Donegal's defeat of Tyrone in Ulster. Jim McGuinness repeated many times during the National League that their focus was on the game against Tyrone.
If that's your reasoning then you can be damn sure he spent just as long game-planning for Mayo, everyone and their mother knew those two teams were due to meet in August. Donegal were down but they certainly weren't 'broken'.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
True Donegal were heading toward the edge all year and Mayo pushed (or should i say heavily shoved them) over the edge. They have been in gradual decline and Tyrone probably met Donegal at their least vulnerable. That said they did lose by six points to them. So while you don't give credit to Mayo beating them (which is fair enough). Where do ye stand in losing by six points to them?
Mayo may well be the best thing since fried bread – only time will tell. But I think that it could be a mistake to draw a line of form through Donegal's defeat of Tyrone in Ulster. Jim McGuinness repeated many times during the National League that their focus was on the game against Tyrone.
If that's your reasoning then you can be damn sure he spent just as long game-planning for Mayo, everyone and their mother knew those two teams were due to meet in August. Donegal were down but they certainly weren't 'broken'.
Like I say, Mayo may be the best thing since fried bread..... ;)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
True Donegal were heading toward the edge all year and Mayo pushed (or should i say heavily shoved them) over the edge. They have been in gradual decline and Tyrone probably met Donegal at their least vulnerable. That said they did lose by six points to them. So while you don't give credit to Mayo beating them (which is fair enough). Where do ye stand in losing by six points to them?
Mayo may well be the best thing since fried bread – only time will tell. But I think that it could be a mistake to draw a line of form through Donegal's defeat of Tyrone in Ulster. Jim McGuinness repeated many times during the National League that their focus was on the game against Tyrone.
Yeah, Unlike Donegal, Tyrone would have put all their focus on the League. They would have spent little time preparing for their opening game versus Donegal.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
People still don't realise how good Mayo are, bulk of Mayo support included.
No sense in posting on the aul forums either half the time, if your post does not include , a mild mannerism a conservative view point , you're just told.''you don't know what you're talking about''.
Mayo will steamroll Tyrone.sin e. Tart it up anyway you want though.
A lot of people seem to be missing one obvious fact – Donegal were a seriously broken team this year and any one of perhaps six teams could have trashed them.
Don't get ahead of yourselves Mayo.
Don't worry, I'm not getting ahead one bit. Tyrone will do everything they can to bypass O'Shea brothers. I just hope Mayo have a plan B if things are getting tough with a few minutes to go and not fade out of the game like they did in the last 10 against Donegal. Tyrone may be in transition, or they may not, but they will provide Mayo with a test that we haven't got all championship.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 08, 2013, 06:45:10 PM
Like I say, Mayo may be the best thing since fried bread..... ;)
Ah Media not giving you enough attention this week? We'll only take the lime light off ye for this week. The papers will soon be back on ye're bandwagon and singing ye're praises.
Fried bread? Do ya mean toast?? :D
Fried wheaten bread, soda bread, potato bread, pancake, white bread-ye can't bate it!
Have to say I enjoy the banter with the Mayo lads. Amazing how the Mayo lads in work, though, are so sure of an all-Ireland this year. I feel like saying "Jeasis, slow down Tommay!"
For any of our successes, I found that I was apprehensive about all of the matches. I hope James Horan is working on keeping the team calm as I honestly think that this is going to be a cracking encounter with a frantic first half. Quality of subs will win it. We really could do with Penrose for that electric speed and terrier-like tackling in defence and attack, nomatter what anyone says.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2013, 07:23:48 PM
Fried bread? Do ya mean toast?? :D
Clearly you haven't lived yet if you haven't tasted a fried slice of bread.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2013, 07:39:50 PM
Fried wheaten bread, soda bread, potato bread, pancake, white bread-ye can't bate it!
Have to say I enjoy the banter with the Mayo lads. Amazing how the Mayo lads in work, though, are so sure of an all-Ireland this year. I feel like saying "Jeasis, slow down Tommay!"
For any of our successes, I found that I was apprehensive about all of the matches. I hope James Horan is working on keeping the team calm as I honestly think that this is going to be a cracking encounter with a frantic first half. Quality of subs will win it. We really could do with Penrose for that electric speed and terrier-like tackling in defence and attack, nomatter what anyone says.
Either thats a load of sh1te or your mates are clowns.
Any people I know (and i live in Mayo) are quietly confident as we should be that we will beat Tyrone.Not thinking past game 5.
The lads spouting about winning All Irelands at this stage are the same lads who watch most of the championship in the pub,go to the semi and throw their flags on the ground and say they're never supporting Mayo again if we go on and lose the final.
Oisin McConville on radio the other day saying that Tyrone will get a 16 point beating!
The main point of the discussion was by how many points Mayo would win by and who they would be playing in the final.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Oisin McConville on radio the other day saying that Tyrone will get a 16 point beating!
The main point of the discussion was by how many points Mayo would win by and who they would be playing in the final.
We all know it's going to be Dublin.
Tyrone and Kerry really share this cute hoorism trait. No wonder ye hate each other so much.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Oisin McConville on radio the other day saying that Tyrone will get a 16 point beating!
The main point of the discussion was by how many points Mayo would win by and who they would be playing in the final.
Listened to that myself.This team don't care about mind games,pundits outbursts etc,As i said they focus on themselves and their performance because they know if they can get that right or near enough right they will win.It leaves us as Mayo supporters in a great position as we can sit back and have a laugh and a giggle at shite like this knowing it wont affect the team.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Oisin McConville on radio the other day saying that Tyrone will get a 16 point beating!
The main point of the discussion was by how many points Mayo would win by and who they would be playing in the final.
What do you think? I would be greatly offended if my team had reached an AI semi final with some creditable results and some pundit came out with that!
Oisín's of a great Mayo stock all right to be predicting such ludicrous scorelines...oh wait. ::)
There's no team that I'd rather win this year's All-Ireland than Maigh Eo, UNLESS, it's ourselves! Here's to a cracker of a semi, and the better team on the day to prevail. Tír Eoghain, agus Maigh Eo, abú! ;)
All slagging aside, I was delighted for Tyronies everywhere when you finally won Sam. I'd say most GAA fans everywhere felt the same. 'Tis said that God loves a trier and he, whoever he is, must have relented a bit to let Peter Canavan finally get his hands on a Celtic Cross.
Tyrone had certainly been trying hard for many years and never lost hope.
I'd say Tyrone followers must have felt every bit as sick after the '95 final as we were after the '96 one. Like us, you shower have had a lot more dinner times than dinners but you did nail Sam in the end.
Tyrone were very popular winners and the fact that they beat Kerry along the way earned them even more respect. Stuff Pat Spillane and his "Puke Football;" it was the moaning of a sore loser.
The fact is that Armagh supporters were starting to give everyone outside their county a bit of a pain in the arse.
Tony Fearons, every last one of them!
Fair enough, it took Tyrone followers a bit longer to start blowing their coal but when they did, they sure did it in style. The controversy over the selection of the team of the decade did them no favours either.
Anyone who thinks I'm piss-taking can use the search function on this board and check out some of the threads around '09/'10 and see if I'm on a windup or not.
Like Armagh after 2002 or Clare hurlers in the mid-90s, neutral support began to wane fast.
If 99.5% of the rest of the country are hoping for Mayo win, it isn't because they all like Aidan O'Shea's haircut.
FFS, lenny says Tyrone is awash with hype and nobody has yet written in to deny this. A couple of Donegal folk who pass through the county regularly tell me the place is awash with hype and arrogance. I've no problem at all with that; why not have a bit of craic whenever we can?
But, you'd think going by the moaning going on here that Mayo have a patent on the art of begrudgery.
I think Mayo will win but if they're beaten fair and square, I'll wish Tyrone good luck for the final. I feel most Mayo heads feel the same way and I haven't come across any remotely serious post here that claims Mayo will annihilate Tyrone.
So what's the caterwauling going on here all about
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 08, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
All slagging aside, I was delighted for Tyronies everywhere when you finally won Sam. I'd say most GAA fans everywhere felt the same. 'Tis said that God loves a trier and he, whoever he is, must have relented a bit to let Peter Canavan finally get his hands on a Celtic Cross.
Tyrone had certainly been trying hard for many years and never lost hope.
I'd say Tyrone followers must have felt every bit as sick after the '95 final as we were after the '96 one. Like us, you shower have had a lot more dinner times than dinners but you did nail Sam in the end.
Tyrone were very popular winners and the fact that they beat Kerry along the way earned them even more respect. Stuff Pat Spillane and his "Puke Football;" it was the moaning of a sore loser.
The fact is that Armagh supporters were starting to give everyone outside their county a bit of a pain in the arse.
Tony Fearons, every last one of them!
Fair enough, it took Tyrone followers a bit longer to start blowing their coal but when they did, they sure did it in style. The controversy over the selection of the team of the decade did them no favours either.
Anyone who thinks I'm piss-taking can use the search function on this board and check out some of the threads around '09/'10 and see if I'm on a windup or not.
Like Armagh after 2002 or Clare hurlers in the mid-90s, neutral support began to wane fast.
If 99.5% of the rest of the country are hoping for Mayo win, it isn't because they all like Aidan O'Shea's haircut.
FFS, lenny says Tyrone is awash with hype and nobody has yet written in to deny this. A couple of Donegal folk who pass through the county regularly tell me the place is awash with hype and arrogance. I've no problem at all with that; why not have a bit of craic whenever we can?
But, you'd think going by the moaning going on here that Mayo have a patent on the art of begrudgery.
I think Mayo will win but if they're beaten fair and square, I'll wish Tyrone good luck for the final. I feel most Mayo heads feel the same way and I haven't come across any remotely serious post here that claims Mayo will annihilate Tyrone.
So what's the caterwauling going on here all about
Great post.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2013, 08:54:08 PM
There's no team that I'd rather win this year's All-Ireland than Maigh Eo, UNLESS, it's ourselves! Here's to a cracker of a semi, and the better team on the day to prevail. Tír Eoghain, agus Maigh Eo, abú! ;)
Ah, jaysys Fear, I had just posted my rant beforeI saw this. ;D
As I've always said you are a true gent. (Well, maybe I haven't but I kept thinking about saying something about you for a long, long time.)
Fair play; your sentiments are reciprocated.
No rant there Lar, great few words, and I do betray my gentitude at times to be sure! Go raibh míle maith agat a chara! ;)
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 08, 2013, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 08, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
FFS, lenny says Tyrone is awash with hype and nobody has yet written in to deny this. A couple of Donegal folk who pass through the county regularly tell me the place is awash with hype and arrogance.
Sounds like a couple of Donegal folk who speak to you are talking utter bollocks. ::) There's a few more flags hanging out from some houses at this time of year than there has been in the last few years and that's about it, no one (at least off this board) is confident of a Tyrone win that I've spoken to - at best edging a close game. Any hype is only a fraction of what it was at this stage before the semi against Kerry a decade ago. Wiser and less desperate heads now. 8)
This time of year we have to fight (aka negotiate) with the local brethren to get our GAA flags up, in the place of their 17th century yokes (Newtown Bypass for one).
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 08, 2013, 09:21:53 PM
When the Tinneys get dressed up again, then we can start considering that there is some element of hype. 8)
Indeed, only then will we have truly lost the run of ourselves! ;)
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 08, 2013, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 08, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
FFS, lenny says Tyrone is awash with hype and nobody has yet written in to deny this. A couple of Donegal folk who pass through the county regularly tell me the place is awash with hype and arrogance.
Sounds like a couple of Donegal folk who speak to you are talking utter bollocks. ::) There's a few more flags hanging out from some houses at this time of year than there has been in the last few years and that's about it, no one (at least off this board) is confident of a Tyrone win that I've spoken to - at best edging a close game. Any hype is only a fraction of what it was at this stage before the semi against Kerry a decade ago. Wiser and less desperate heads now. 8)
Maybe you're right; them Donegal hoors ought to pay a visit to Specsavers but this is what lenny had to say when Benny Harp posted:
"I've spoken to many Mayo folk over the past few days and the level of arrogance is unbelievable......" "Its the same up here in reverse." I have spoken to a number of tyrone fans and they are only thinking of dublin or kerry in the final.They are simply assuming that mayo will bottle it as usual. They also think the bashing from rte will galavanise harte and the players and propel them on the way to another all ireland.[/i]
Now, I didn't go as far as to call Tyronies arrogant in this instance anyway; I was targeting the amount of complaints about the arrogance of Mayo posters on here.
For all I know or care, the entire county may be over-confident or over intoxicated but confidence isn't arrogance, IMO.
Bragging and other in-yer-face stuff is another matter but I see no boasts or insults posted by any serious Mayo head here or anywhere else.
Those Donegal buckos are filling you with hot air Lar. There is barely a whisper about this game in the county and as Fionn said there's barely a flag about the place.
If we are going to have any chance in this game then we are going to have to curtail the influence of AO'S. To do this our kick outs are going to have to be top notch. This i probably one of Packie's weaker areas as he tends to boom his kick outs down the middle. He found his men well last week but Monaghan made this task easier the way they lined out. We will miss Niall Morgan here as his kickouts were, imo, underated. He was able to be very accurate over long distances but with a much lower trajectory which negates the influence of a high fielder.
I'm not sure i agree with the comments that this is a year early for Tyrone. We're in a semi final and to me we might not get a better chance for another few years to win one. We need to make the most of the time we have gormley, o'neill, Cavanagh and McMahon available for.
We've showed a great ability to grind out results all year and I've a feeling we could be just about to peak at the right time. People keep saying we don't have the player like 08 to push on. But if you look back to July of that year people no longer thought we had the players then and hence the fact we were such underdogs against an unbeatable Dublin team. We were expected to get hammered in 2 league games v the dubs this year and stood up well in both them.
So I've decided frig the gloom there's an all Ireland to be won and no better man to deliver it than Harte lead by the excellence of the experienced players above and the young guns such as Harte Donnelly and r o'neill.
What I don't understand about Tyrone is the way they feel the need to coach their youngsters to cheat and drag men down. If they have the natural talent they claim they have then surely this would not be necessary ?
..or is it any means necessary ala Sean Cavanagh ?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 08, 2013, 11:00:50 PM
I'm not sure i agree with the comments that this is a year early for Tyrone. We're in a semi final and to me we might not get a better chance for another few years to win one. We need to make the most of the time we have gormley, o'neill, Cavanagh and McMahon available for.
We've showed a great ability to grind out results all year and I've a feeling we could be just about to peak at the right time. People keep saying we don't have the player like 08 to push on. But if you look back to July of that year people no longer thought we had the players then and hence the fact we were such underdogs against an unbeatable Dublin team. We were expected to get hammered in 2 league games v the dubs this year and stood up well in both them.
So I've decided frig the gloom there's an all Ireland to be won and no better man to deliver it than Harte lead by the excellence of the experienced players above and the young guns such as Harte Donnelly and r o'neill.
That's the talk. Tyrone are in Bonus territory. Bar winning an Anglo Celt, a good run in the Championship has most fans would be happy with the season so far.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
What I don't understand about Tyrone is the way they feel the need to coach their youngsters to cheat and drag men down. If they have the natural talent they claim they have then surely this would not be necessary ?
..or is it any means necessary ala Sean Cavanagh ?
Spot the WUM boring!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
What I don't understand about Tyrone is the way they feel the need to coach their youngsters to cheat and drag men down. If they have the natural talent they claim they have then surely this would not be necessary ?
..or is it any means necessary ala Sean Cavanagh ?
If it's any means necessary it'll be à la Tadhg Kennelly! :P
Quote from: Boghopper on August 08, 2013, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
What I don't understand about Tyrone is the way they feel the need to coach their youngsters to cheat and drag men down. If they have the natural talent they claim they have then surely this would not be necessary ?
..or is it any means necessary ala Sean Cavanagh ?
Spot the WUM boring!
Are you denying what Joe Brolly said about it being coached into your minor teams ?
Seriously, where is it going to stop ? What is the point of young lads in the mould of gooch taking the field at all if
you lads are just going to cheat to counteract his natural talent ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
Are you denying what Joe Brolly said about it being coached into your minor teams ?
Joe Brolly who said he was never the victim of a cynical tackle (bullshit).
Joe Brolly who said he had nothing to apologise for after traducing Cavanagh (bullshit, he rang him to apologise yesterday).
Joe Brolly who's apoplectic with glee on the sideline as his beloved Dungiven cynically foul their way to another victory (bullshit).
Joe Brolly who's a northerner, and for whom you haven't the time of day (bullshit).
Joe Brolly who's full of bullshit.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2013, 12:06:56 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
Are you denying what Joe Brolly said about it being coached into your minor teams ?
Joe Brolly who said he was never the victim of a cynical tackle (bullshit).
Joe Brolly who said he had nothing to apologise for after traducing Cavanagh (bullshit, he rang him to apologise yesterday).
Joe Brolly who's apoplectic with glee on the sideline as his beloved Dungiven cynically foul their way to another victory (bullshit).
Joe Brolly who's a northerner, and for whom you haven't the time of day (bullshit).
Joe Brolly who's full of bullshit.
Joe Brolly is certainly very late in seeing the truth but that does not negate what he is saying. There is no point to a competitive contest if the primary tactic of one side is to bypass the rules of the contest.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: Boghopper on August 08, 2013, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
What I don't understand about Tyrone is the way they feel the need to coach their youngsters to cheat and drag men down. If they have the natural talent they claim they have then surely this would not be necessary ?
..or is it any means necessary ala Sean Cavanagh ?
Spot the WUM boring!
Are you denying what Joe Brolly said about it being coached into your minor teams ?
Seriously, where is it going to stop ? What is the point of young lads in the mould of gooch taking the field at all if
you lads are just going to cheat to counteract his natural talent ?
Nick Murphy wud be a man you'd need to talk to
about his views on YE counteracting natural talent....
There's easily 100+ pages in this one
25 by Sunday,
Slowing a bit next week but still adding 10 more
Notching up a further 30+ in the last week until throw in
And at least 40 between the game and aftermath
It's mighty for the Ros, anyways. We might not get broke in half by these animistic Tyrone minors now.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2013, 12:06:56 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
Are you denying what Joe Brolly said about it being coached into your minor teams ?
Joe Brolly who's a northerner, and for whom you haven't the time of day (bullshit).
As I mentioned on another thread, my primary gripe with northerners is a lack of sportsmanship.
...and I would hope that people can see the connection between a lack of sportsmanship and how that can filter down to the willingness to employ any means necessary to win an U-14 game ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:21:33 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2013, 12:06:56 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
Are you denying what Joe Brolly said about it being coached into your minor teams ?
Joe Brolly who's a northerner, and for whom you haven't the time of day (bullshit).
As I mentioned on another thread, my primary gripe with northerners is a lack of sportsmanship.
...and I would hope that people can see the connection between a lack of sportsmanship and how that can filter down to the willingness to employ any means necessary to win an U-14 game ?
That's a mighty big
glasshouse crystal palace you're flinging those stones from...
(http://i.imgur.com/ckwwtfY.jpg)
Well, if you teach your youngsters cynical ways it won't stop at the white line. Your society
will suffer in equal measures.
Do the right thing.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:40:25 AM
Well, if you teach your youngsters cynical ways it won't stop at the white line. Your society
will suffer in equal measures.
Do the right thing.
You have no proof of that, only the 'word' of a demonstrable liar -- best not to propagate such lies for fear of being tarnished oneself.
Brolly has been jumping through all sorts of retrospective hoops to justify his ballistic outburst, dressing it up on all manner of retroactive compulsions.
In any case, you have a game against Dublin to be concerned about, no errand to be trolling around this one.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2013, 12:45:34 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:40:25 AM
Well, if you teach your youngsters cynical ways it won't stop at the white line. Your society
will suffer in equal measures.
Do the right thing.
You have no proof of that, only the 'word' of a demonstrable liar -- best not to propagate such lies for fear of being tarnished oneself.
Brolly has been jumping through all sorts of retrospective hoops to justify his ballistic outburst, dressing it up on all manner of retroactive compulsions.
In any case, you have a game against Dublin to be concerned about, no errand to be trolling around this one.
To be fair, it's not like your minors are learning it through telepathy, now is it? It's not just Tyrone but to deny it's happening is a little much.
Oh, and don't mind the troll.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2013, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 08, 2013, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 08, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
FFS, lenny says Tyrone is awash with hype and nobody has yet written in to deny this. A couple of Donegal folk who pass through the county regularly tell me the place is awash with hype and arrogance.
Sounds like a couple of Donegal folk who speak to you are talking utter bollocks. ::) There's a few more flags hanging out from some houses at this time of year than there has been in the last few years and that's about it, no one (at least off this board) is confident of a Tyrone win that I've spoken to - at best edging a close game. Any hype is only a fraction of what it was at this stage before the semi against Kerry a decade ago. Wiser and less desperate heads now. 8)
This time of year we have to fight (aka negotiate) with the local brethren to get our GAA flags up, in the place of their 17th century yokes (Newtown Bypass for one).
Just out of curiosity Fear, what percentage of the population is "themmuns?"
I presume that few if any are interested in Tyrone GAA affairs.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 09, 2013, 01:03:09 AM
Just out of curiosity Fear, what percentage of the population is "themmuns?"
I presume that few if any are interested in Tyrone GAA affairs.
As a percentage Lar, it's about 60%-40% Nationalist for the whole county (at a guess), and whilst by no means would all of those from the other side of the house be hostile towards Gaelic Games, those that aren't would tend to keep a rather low profile (as much to avoid brickbats from their 'own' side as anything else).
There would be a small number who would venture to the games, to be sure, such as a brother-in-law of mine (who accompanied me to an NFL game in Omagh a while back), but in general they'd give the games a wide berth, alas.
Having said that, however, there'd be an unspoken pride when the Red Hand prospers! ;)
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 09, 2013, 12:11:58 AM
There's easily 100+ pages in this one
25 by Sunday,
Slowing a bit next week but still adding 10 more
Notching up a further 30+ in the last week until throw in
And at least 40 between the game and aftermath
And about 10 pages of that will be irrelevant references to Roscommon from Syferus
And 10 more on accusations and denials of arrogance.
Quote from: Syferus on August 08, 2013, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Oisin McConville on radio the other day saying that Tyrone will get a 16 point beating!
The main point of the discussion was by how many points Mayo would win by and who they would be playing in the final.
We all know it's going to be Dublin.
Tyrone and Kerry really share this cute hoorism trait. No wonder ye hate each other so much.
Here's an interesting thing. The hate only goes one way. Kerry despise Tyrone right down to their marrow, as Mike has sportingly reminded us on this thread, but I've never got the sense that Tyrone hate Kerry. I met some supporters at a League game in Omagh once and they gave me the impression that they were hurt by Kerry's refusal to give them credit for winning three All-Irelands in six years, never having won one before, but they certainly didn't hate Kerry. They have no reason to.
For all Kerry's talk about sportsmanship, they bore the lack of sportsmanship of the Meath team of the 1980s in silence. But then again, it wasn't Kerry who were on the business end of it in those games. Maybe that had something to do with it.
Hey! Leave us out of this unseemly bickering. Everybody knows we define sportsmanship. Hard and fair, leave it on the pitch, keep your mouth shut, no schoolgirlish recriminations about who pulled whose hair, etc. Man's game. You know yourself.
Did McConville really predict a 16 point win for Mayo? Surprised if anyone understood him to be honest. As for Brolly, never met a man who likes to go on and on as if he is best friends with the manager of this team, that team and the other - how would thon wee bollox know what any average minor team in Tyrone is getting coached?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
What I don't understand about Tyrone is the way they feel the need to coach their youngsters to cheat and drag men down. If they have the natural talent they claim they have then surely this would not be necessary ?
..or is it any means necessary ala Sean Cavanagh ?
Probably they decided to model themselves on Kerry as they saw how tactical fouling was profitably used by the Kingdom. Tyrone are still a bit raw at the fouling and lack Kerry's skill at making the deliberate foul look innocuous.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 08, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
All slagging aside, I was delighted for Tyronies everywhere when you finally won Sam. I'd say most GAA fans everywhere felt the same. 'Tis said that God loves a trier and he, whoever he is, must have relented a bit to let Peter Canavan finally get his hands on a Celtic Cross.
Tyrone had certainly been trying hard for many years and never lost hope.
I'd say Tyrone followers must have felt every bit as sick after the '95 final as we were after the '96 one. Like us, you shower have had a lot more dinner times than dinners but you did nail Sam in the end.
Tyrone were very popular winners and the fact that they beat Kerry along the way earned them even more respect. Stuff Pat Spillane and his "Puke Football;" it was the moaning of a sore loser.
......
I'll wish Tyrone good luck for the final. I feel most Mayo heads feel the same way and I haven't come across any remotely serious post here that claims Mayo will annihilate Tyrone.
So what's the caterwauling going on here all about
I whole heartily echo Lar sediments here. I also like to add, the Tyrone supporters really won me over in the '08 campaign, as living in Dublin, I saw first hand the huge support week in and week out they gave. They had to travel to Dublin weekly for most of that summer lol.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 09, 2013, 08:35:09 AM
Did McConville really predict a 16 point win for Mayo? Surprised if anyone understood him to be honest. As for Brolly, never met a man who likes to go on and on as if he is best friends with the manager of this team, that team and the other - how would thon wee bollox know what any average minor team in Tyrone is getting coached?
He would not have a clue what is being coached, he just throws out these accusations with no facts to back them up and a lot of fools believe him.
Just for the craic Mike go to the tg4 website and watch GAA 2013 from Monday evening. It won't take too long as the Tyrone v Kerry minor QF is the first game. In the second half of extra time a Tyrone player skillfully weaves his way into the Kerry square (almost kingdom-esqe, if I may be so bold) and rounds the Keeper who unceremoniously drags him down Brian O'Driscoll style. This young Tyrone lad was on the cusp of scoring a famous goal for himself and his county yet cynical play denied him his moment in the sun. Needless to say the penalty was missed which could have thwarted the efforts of 30 young fellas trying to capture the Tom Markham. However, our poor young lads stood tall and fought off the dastardly men from the south to march on to victory.
Don't say it too loud but I heard this sort of stuff is regularly being coached in the south west corner of Ireland, however, I for one would never believe a man in green and gold would never lower himself to such actions ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Just for the craic Mike go to the tg4 website and watch GAA 2013 from Monday evening. It won't take too long as the Tyrone v Kerry minor QF is the first game. In the second half of extra time a Tyrone player skillfully weaves his way into the Kerry square (almost kingdom-esqe, if I may be so bold) and rounds the Keeper who unceremoniously drags him down Brian O'Driscoll style. This young Tyrone lad was on the cusp of scoring a famous goal for himself and his county yet cynical play denied him his moment in the sun. Needless to say the penalty was missed which could have thwarted the efforts of 30 young fellas trying to capture the Tom Markham. However, our poor young lads stood tall and fought off the dastardly men from the south to march on to victory.
Don't say it too loud but I heard this sort of stuff is regularly being coached in the south west corner of Ireland, however, I for one would never believe a man in green and gold would never lower himself to such actions ;)
It was a great effort from the 13 young fellas from Tyrone to beat the 15 from Kerry too. Imagine the damage done if we had the full 15 on the pitch.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 09, 2013, 10:26:26 AM
It was a great effort from the 13 young fellas from Tyrone to beat the 15 from Kerry too. Imagine the damage done if we had the full 15 on the pitch.
In extra-time there were, and we did! ;) :)
Some whinging from Mickey Ned! :(
Mickey Ned whinging after Kerry minors get beaten. That is hardly anything new. Tipperary got plenty experience of that last year. Just a pity we did not beat them again this year. He is as sore a loser as you you will see.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 09, 2013, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Just for the craic Mike go to the tg4 website and watch GAA 2013 from Monday evening. It won't take too long as the Tyrone v Kerry minor QF is the first game. In the second half of extra time a Tyrone player skillfully weaves his way into the Kerry square (almost kingdom-esqe, if I may be so bold) and rounds the Keeper who unceremoniously drags him down Brian O'Driscoll style. This young Tyrone lad was on the cusp of scoring a famous goal for himself and his county yet cynical play denied him his moment in the sun. Needless to say the penalty was missed which could have thwarted the efforts of 30 young fellas trying to capture the Tom Markham. However, our poor young lads stood tall and fought off the dastardly men from the south to march on to victory.
Don't say it too loud but I heard this sort of stuff is regularly being coached in the south west corner of Ireland, however, I for one would never believe a man in green and gold would never lower himself to such actions ;)
It was a great effort from the 13 young fellas from Tyrone to beat the 15 from Kerry too. Imagine the damage done if we had the full 15 on the pitch.
They didn't get sent off for being too gentle.
What goes around comes around. Ros aren't some girlish Munster team ye can bully with your monstrous ways.
Kerry teams and fans don't seem to take their beatings too well.
Such feckin thread hijacking! I never saw the likes of it.
Is nobody going to mention Dublin at all? ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 09, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Kerry teams and fans don't seem to take their beatings too well.
Fair bit of whinging after being beaten by Down in 2010 and Dubs in 2011
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 09, 2013, 01:21:28 PM
Such feckin thread hijacking! I never saw the likes of it.
Is nobody going to mention Dublin at all? ;)
At least our match against Tyrone might be competitive. No promises, though.
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 09, 2013, 01:21:28 PM
Such feckin thread hijacking! I never saw the likes of it.
Apologies, I fed the troll too much! :( ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2013, 01:39:20 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 09, 2013, 01:21:28 PM
Such feckin thread hijacking! I never saw the likes of it.
Apologies, I fed the troll too much! :( ;)
Accepted. ;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2013, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:21:33 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2013, 12:06:56 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 09, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
Are you denying what Joe Brolly said about it being coached into your minor teams ?
Joe Brolly who's a northerner, and for whom you haven't the time of day (bullshit).
As I mentioned on another thread, my primary gripe with northerners is a lack of sportsmanship.
...and I would hope that people can see the connection between a lack of sportsmanship and how that can filter down to the willingness to employ any means necessary to win an U-14 game ?
That's a mighty big glasshouse crystal palace you're flinging those stones from...
(http://i.imgur.com/ckwwtfY.jpg)
"Caid was especially popular in rural areas, such as the Dingle Peninsula of Kerry[1] and Eigeen in west Cork. One observer in the mid-19th century, Father W. Ferris, described two main forms of caid during this period: the "field game" in which the object was to put the ball through arch-like goals, formed from the boughs of two trees, and; the epic "cross-country game" which took up most of the daylight hours of a Sunday on which it was played, and was won by one team taking the ball across a parish boundary. Both of these were rough and tumble contact sports in which "wrestling", pushing and the holding of opposing players was allowed. It was usually played by teams of unlimited numbers, representing communities, until a clear result was achieved or the players became too exhausted to continue."
It's in the blood.
I'm adding to the hijacking here slightly, but just for those who seem to think what "Mike Sheehy" posts here represents the general views of the average Kerry football fan, it does not...not when it comes to opinions on Ulster for sure anyway. I won't elaborate here, but just had to say that.
Now, here's hoping pure footballing Mayo triumph over these horribly cynical Throne hoors. :P
I actually like Mike giving it large on here!
Although highly unlikely, it will make for interesting times if Tyrone were to incredibly beat Mayo in the semi final.
There'd be some scattering match then.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 10, 2013, 08:25:21 AM
I'm adding to the hijacking here slightly, but just for those who seem to think what "Mike Sheehy" posts here represents the general views of the average Kerry football fan, it does not...not when it comes to opinions on Ulster for sure anyway. I won't elaborate here, but just had to say that.
Now, here's hoping pure footballing Mayo triumph over these horribly cynical Throne hoors. :P
+100 on both counts. ;D
I reckon if Tyrone bate Mayo and got to the All Ireland final, there'd only be about 25,000 at it.
Brolly and all his supporters wouldn't go.
The clubs in Tyrone would be sending tickets back flat out.
The GAA might declare the winners of the following week's semi final as the winner of Sam in 2013.
You just couldn't afford for Tyrone to win another game. I'd say the ref has already been well "briefed".
Get rid of the Tyronies at all costs. It'll save a lot of egg on one's face etc etc etc.
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 12:21:40 PM
Although highly unlikely, it will make for interesting times if Tyrone were to incredibly beat Mayo in the semi final.
There'd be some scattering match then.
Oh please...stop, the 'cute Tyrone hoor' doesn't sound the same.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2013, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 12:21:40 PM
Although highly unlikely, it will make for interesting times if Tyrone were to incredibly beat Mayo in the semi final.
There'd be some scattering match then.
Oh please...stop, the 'cute Tyrone hoor' doesn't sound the same.
Glad you called someone named 'orangeman' a cute Tyrone hoor.
Typical Mayo arrogance.
Just back from Mayo. Nice animals. Absolutely every local I spoke to dismissed Tyrone's chances of overturning their heroes. They're probably right.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 03:47:23 PM
Just back from Mayo. Nice animals. Absolutely every local I spoke to dismissed Tyrone's chances of overturning their heroes. They're probably right.
Sickening, sickening arrogance! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 03:47:23 PM
Just back from Mayo. Nice animals. Absolutely every local I spoke to dismissed Tyrone's chances of overturning their heroes. They're probably right.
ah, they seen you coming O'Neill! Tried to get your wind up. Sure how could a county like mine think such a thing and our record in Croke Park? Playing silly beggars if you ask me?
Have to say I hate the way the build up to this game has Tyrone labelled as the baddies! We had a similar label put on us going into the AI final and by Brolly as well last year. The personal attack on Cavanagh was uncalled for and for a professional pundit to indulge in such a rant on an amateur player was uncalled for. Was there a similar rant about McGees stamp on Varley? No! (Not that I'm encouraging one). Instead of RTE being ashamed of the behaviour of Joe Brolly they continued to promote his tirade on TSG on Sunday night and various radio stations during the week. It has become a Circus and even the
Apology added to it being news to the weekend.
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
drove through Mayo for the last 2/3 days.
the county is actually quite subdued, compared to normal. no painted cars. every house wasn't covered in flags.
even the sports headline in the local paper was cautionary
"It is time to be cautious but optimistic"
Quote from: neilthemac on August 10, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
drove through Mayo for the last 2/3 days.
the county is actually quite subdued, compared to normal. no painted cars. every house wasn't covered in flags.
even the sports headline in the local paper was cautionary
"It is time to be cautious but optimistic"
Wait to you see what it's like when they bate Tyrone and get into the final.
There'll not a cow or sheep safe !
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 03:47:23 PM
Just back from Mayo. Nice animals. Absolutely every local I spoke to dismissed Tyrone's chances of overturning their heroes. They're probably right.
Definitely don't buy this 'cute Tyrone hoor' stuff from you of all people ONeill!
Quote from: neilthemac on August 10, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
drove through Mayo for the last 2/3 days.
the county is actually quite subdued, compared to normal. no painted cars. every house wasn't covered in flags.
even the sports headline in the local paper was cautionary
"It is time to be cautious but optimistic"
I think you accidentally drove through a warp hole and ended up in an alternate timeline. The Mayo I've been living beside (not in, Lar) is hopped up like a kid on too much candy.
People should learn to love the hype.
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
Agreed on both counts but, like Delaney's dog ,yer good at giving but not so hot when it comes to taking same.
That reminds me; anyone seen Jinxsy lately? ;D
Was talking to a group of Mayo supporters today and all of them have hotels booked for the All Ireland final weekend. I asked them will they go if Tyrone win? they found that reply very humorous.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
Agreed on both counts but, like Delaney's dog ,yer good at giving but not so hot when it comes to taking same.
That reminds me; anyone seen Jinxsy lately? ;D
Whaaa? What have I failed to take?
The country has mayo backed here. It's simply a question of what you have them at. Could this be the most one sided semi final in 3 decades, are mayo still 9/4 for Sam. Might have a bit of that _ the talk is that that's quality odds. I feel that it's more than just a battle between 2 midfielders who can't tackle.
Quote from: neilthemac on August 10, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
drove through Mayo for the last 2/3 days.
the county is actually quite subdued, compared to normal. no painted cars. every house wasn't covered in flags.
even the sports headline in the local paper was cautionary
"It is time to be cautious but optimistic"
Dunno what part you were in. Every house I saw had the red and green drippin from the rafters. The AI is as good as won was the feeling.
Only the sister's car flag up in Farrandeelin. You must have missed us o. your travels!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
Was talking to a group of Mayo supporters today and all of them have hotels booked for the All Ireland final weekend. I asked them will they go if Tyrone win? they found that reply very humorous.
Ah, they are only cute hoors they will sell them rooms on at a profit when the time comes. They were laughing at you because they now you are one of their potential customers! Cute hoors here in Mayo, Eh?
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
We like that nice farmland you have up there I heard there might be some going for free.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2013, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
Was talking to a group of Mayo supporters today and all of them have hotels booked for the All Ireland final weekend. I asked them will they go if Tyrone win? they found that reply very humorous.
Ah, they are only cute hoors they will sell them rooms on at a profit when the time comes. They were laughing at you because they now you are one of their potential customers! Cute hoors here in Mayo, Eh?
Maybe them "cute hoors" were just having him on.
Any lad won't didn't cop on straightaway that to get to a final you have to win a semi first, mightn't realise that they were just winding him up. ;D
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
Agreed on both counts but, like Delaney's dog ,yer good at giving but not so hot when it comes to taking same.
That reminds me; anyone seen Jinxsy lately? ;D
Whaaa? What have I failed to take?
And "whaaa" to you also. ;D
Joe Sheridan's dive into the annals of folklore comes to mind.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on August 10, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
drove through Mayo for the last 2/3 days.
the county is actually quite subdued, compared to normal. no painted cars. every house wasn't covered in flags.
even the sports headline in the local paper was cautionary
"It is time to be cautious but optimistic"
Dunno what part you were in. Every house I saw had the red and green drippin from the rafters. The AI is as good as won was the feeling.
All we need now is a t-shirt and maybe a few banners saying something like unfinished business or another phrase to that effect ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
WHAT!!!!who da hell let Meath men into Gods country
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on August 10, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
drove through Mayo for the last 2/3 days.
the county is actually quite subdued, compared to normal. no painted cars. every house wasn't covered in flags.
even the sports headline in the local paper was cautionary
"It is time to be cautious but optimistic"
Dunno what part you were in. Every house I saw had the red and green drippin from the rafters. The AI is as good as won was the feeling.
Jeez,the Tyrone version of cute hoorism is a shambles.Down to Kerry with ya on your holidays and brush up on it.
Not a word a lie.
I says to them 'I suppose you'll need to watch Cavanagh'.
Says one "O'Shea will teach the Cavanaghs what midfield play is all about, and that's just at the throw in".
To be honest I found the total belief endearing. I said I hoped they didn't let that unwavering confidence seep through to the players. Says one "listen, bucko, we'd beat the pick of Tyrone and the rest of Ulster and the whest."
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
The country has mayo backed here. It's simply a question of what you have them at. Could this be the most one sided semi final in 3 decades, are mayo still 9/4 for Sam. Might have a bit of that _ the talk is that that's quality odds. I feel that it's more than just a battle between 2 midfielders who can't tackle.
What is the handicap?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
Agreed on both counts but, like Delaney's dog ,yer good at giving but not so hot when it comes to taking same.
That reminds me; anyone seen Jinxsy lately? ;D
Whaaa? What have I failed to take?
And "whaaa" to you also. ;D
Joe Sheridan's dive into the annals of folklore comes to mind.
Dive? Ref gave a penalty.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Not a word a lie.
I says to them 'I suppose you'll need to watch Cavanagh'.
Says one "O'Shea will teach the Cavanaghs what midfield play is all about, and that's just at the throw in".
To be honest I found the total belief endearing. I said I hoped they didn't let that unwavering confidence seep through to the players. Says one "listen, bucko, we'd beat the pick of Tyrone and the rest of Ulster and the whest."
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
The country has mayo backed here. It's simply a question of what you have them at. Could this be the most one sided semi final in 3 decades, are mayo still 9/4 for Sam. Might have a bit of that _ the talk is that that's quality odds. I feel that it's more than just a battle between 2 midfielders who can't tackle.
What is the handicap?
Arrogance and victimhood all in one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2013, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Not a word a lie.
I says to them 'I suppose you'll need to watch Cavanagh'.
Says one "O'Shea will teach the Cavanaghs what midfield play is all about, and that's just at the throw in".
To be honest I found the total belief endearing. I said I hoped they didn't let that unwavering confidence seep through to the players. Says one "listen, bucko, we'd beat the pick of Tyrone and the rest of Ulster and the whest."
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
The country has mayo backed here. It's simply a question of what you have them at. Could this be the most one sided semi final in 3 decades, are mayo still 9/4 for Sam. Might have a bit of that _ the talk is that that's quality odds. I feel that it's more than just a battle between 2 midfielders who can't tackle.
What is the handicap?
Arrogance and victimhood all in one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
Looked at that last week. Made me laugh. He knocked out all the cliches. Mayo implode in Croker. Mayo had a poor League. Mayo have played no one. Will he be giving a preview for the semi final? I'm really looking forward to that one.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2013, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Not a word a lie.
I says to them 'I suppose you'll need to watch Cavanagh'.
Says one "O'Shea will teach the Cavanaghs what midfield play is all about, and that's just at the throw in".
To be honest I found the total belief endearing. I said I hoped they didn't let that unwavering confidence seep through to the players. Says one "listen, bucko, we'd beat the pick of Tyrone and the rest of Ulster and the whest."
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
The country has mayo backed here. It's simply a question of what you have them at. Could this be the most one sided semi final in 3 decades, are mayo still 9/4 for Sam. Might have a bit of that _ the talk is that that's quality odds. I feel that it's more than just a battle between 2 midfielders who can't tackle.
What is the handicap?
Arrogance and victimhood all in one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
In fairness to O'Niell he makes about as much sense in his posts on here as he did in that youtube video ;D
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2013, 08:39:21 PM
Arrogance and victimhood allin one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
Leave the Mayo-Donegal game out of this! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Not a word a lie.
I says to them 'I suppose you'll need to watch Cavanagh'.
Says one "O'Shea will teach the Cavanaghs what midfield play is all about, and that's just at the throw in".
To be honest I found the total belief endearing. I said I hoped they didn't let that unwavering confidence seep through to the players. Says one "listen, bucko, we'd beat the pick of Tyrone and the rest of Ulster and the whest."
Sickening, sickening arrogance! ;)
In all honesty, how are we going to cope with these lads?
4-16, 0-21, 5-11 and 4-17.
And we're not a patch on Donegal's defence.
gulp.
Can we match Mayo's intensity?
Is it an idea to throw Ronan O'Neill in as an unknown at this level?
Do we try to win by concentrating on shutting them out hoping they lose the heads?
I had a nightmare last night that Mayo led 1-9 o 1-0 at Ht. Our goal came from our first touch in the 35th min. I was afeard to sleep again.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 10:53:58 PM
In all honesty, how are we going to cope with these lads?
4-16, 0-21, 5-11 and 4-17.
And we're not a patch on Donegal's defence.
gulp.
Can we match Mayo's intensity?
Is it an idea to throw Ronan O'Neill in as an unknown at this level?
Do we try to win by concentrating on shutting them out hoping they lose the heads?
I had a nightmare last night that Mayo led 1-9 o 1-0 at Ht. Our goal came from our first touch in the 35th min. I was afeard to sleep again.
That's All-Ireland winning scoring.
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:09:34 PM
I reckon Tyrone are going to struggle for scores. Their forward line is weak. Mayo aren't foulers.
Can't see past Mayo. Still going for 10+.
That's right (our 6th game in 7 weekends against Monaghan is neither here nor there, and we were beaten by a fairly flat Donegal, even though they peaked for it in a hostile Ballybofey).
Get your money on that margin, and quit the oul bullshitting.
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
Agreed on both counts but, like Delaney's dog ,yer good at giving but not so hot when it comes to taking same.
That reminds me; anyone seen Jinxsy lately? ;D
Whaaa? What have I failed to take?
And "whaaa" to you also. ;D
Joe Sheridan's dive into the annals of folklore comes to mind.
Dive? Ref gave a penalty.
I thought the try was given when he dived over the line.
Can't remember now what happened next.
Was the try converted? ;D
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 10:53:58 PM
In all honesty, how are we going to cope with these lads?
4-16, 0-21, 5-11 and 4-17.
And we're not a patch on Donegal's defence.
gulp.
Can we match Mayo's intensity?
Is it an idea to throw Ronan O'Neill in as an unknown at this level?
Do we try to win by concentrating on shutting them out hoping they lose the heads?
I had a nightmare last night that Mayo led 1-9 o 1-0 at Ht. Our goal came from our first touch in the 35th min. I was afeard to sleep again.
In fairness look at who we have played or the context of the teams we have played.
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
That is true. We have not bate a side I'd consider a fine scalp.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 11:17:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I never told them where I was from. Even Meath men were agreeing.
We like winding up Mayo people. We like winding up Tyrone people.
Agreed on both counts but, like Delaney's dog ,yer good at giving but not so hot when it comes to taking same.
That reminds me; anyone seen Jinxsy lately? ;D
Whaaa? What have I failed to take?
And "whaaa" to you also. ;D
Joe Sheridan's dive into the annals of folklore comes to mind.
Dive? Ref gave a penalty.
I thought the try was given when he dived over the line.
Can't remember now what happened next.
Was the try converted? ;D
Ah Lar. I thought we were having a wind-up competition.
Tell you what, we'll cancel that lapse of originality and give you a free shot. Go ahead.
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
You can not call winning five consecutive games poor form?
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
That is true. We have not bate a side I'd consider a fine scalp.
Tyrone haven't beaten a decent team since 2008. Mayo keep beating reigning all Ireland champions!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2013, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
You can not call winning five consecutive games poor form?
In fairness look at who they have played, three of the five sides were playing division three football last spring and Tyrone fell over line against them all. You can't call that anything other than poorish form?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2013, 12:12:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2013, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
You can not call winning five consecutive games poor form?
In fairness look at who they have played, three of the five sides were playing division three football last spring and Tyrone fell over line against them all. You can't call that anything other than poorish form?
How many of those games were away from home? How many were lost? How many of those games did they look like losing? Can't see the bad form in any of the results or run?
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2013, 12:12:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2013, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
You can not call winning five consecutive games poor form?
In fairness look at who they have played, three of the five sides were playing division three football last spring and Tyrone fell over line against them all. You can't call that anything other than poorish form?
How many of those games were away from home? How many were lost? How many of those games did they look like losing? Can't see the bad form in any of the results or run?
Keep 'er lit Bunks; you're playing a blinder!
Any more of this and I'll start to believe you meself. ;D
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
You can not call winning five consecutive games poor form?
In fairness look at who they have played, three of the five sides were playing division three football last spring and Tyrone fell over line against them all. You can't call that anything other than poorish form?
How many of those games were away from home? How many were lost? How many of those games did they look like losing? Can't see the bad form in any of the results or run?
Only against the might of el Ros, Bunker.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2013, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2013, 12:12:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2013, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
You can not call winning five consecutive games poor form?
In fairness look at who they have played, three of the five sides were playing division three football last spring and Tyrone fell over line against them all. You can't call that anything other than poorish form?
How many of those games were away from home? How many were lost? How many of those games did they look like losing? Can't see the bad form in any of the results or run?
You would if Mayo had that sequence of results.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2013, 12:25:40 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2013, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2013, 12:12:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2013, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
HS - you've just insulted all of Offaly, Ros, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
You'll be popular. That's like something Brolly would have come out with.
And apart from the Offaly game all those games was only two point wins. Imagine if Mayo had that poor form going into this semi final?
You can not call winning five consecutive games poor form?
In fairness look at who they have played, three of the five sides were playing division three football last spring and Tyrone fell over line against them all. You can't call that anything other than poorish form?
How many of those games were away from home? How many were lost? How many of those games did they look like losing? Can't see the bad form in any of the results or run?
You would if Mayo had that sequence of results.
The current Tyrone team haven't demonstrated the skill of Mayo or indeed their potential for AI-winning performances. For Tyrone this season has been a triumph of management.
If Armagh had Tyrone's sequence of results would it be seen as bad form? Different teams have different barometers. Tyrone have played well, and I suspect to their potential, this year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 11, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
The current Tyrone team haven't demonstrated the skill of Mayo or indeed their potential for AI-winning performances. For Tyrone this season has been a triumph of management.
Tyrone have played well, and I suspect to their potential, this year.
Played well? two point wins against inferior opposition is playing to their potential??
The last few rounds Tyrone avoided some top sides in the draw that on current form would have beaten them. They were paired with Meath in round four and Monaghan in the quarter finals to reach the semi final. To call it triumph of management is insult to Mickey Harte.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2013, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
That is true. We have not bate a side I'd consider a fine scalp.
Tyrone haven't beaten a decent team since 2008. Mayo keep beating reigning all Ireland champions!
Aye but look what happens in the next game every year!
I see Mayo have released their All-Ireland Final song - http://youtu.be/vKCZaeEcN2U
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 09:09:41 AM
I see Mayo have released their All-Ireland Final song - http://youtu.be/vKCZaeEcN2U
Fair play. They deserve one after their performances.
Is there a way we can ban these "songs"?
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 09:09:41 AM
I see Mayo have released their All-Ireland Final song - http://youtu.be/vKCZaeEcN2U
Yeah, that was released for the 2012 final! ;D
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2013, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Not a word a lie.
I says to them 'I suppose you'll need to watch Cavanagh'.
Says one "O'Shea will teach the Cavanaghs what midfield play is all about, and that's just at the throw in".
To be honest I found the total belief endearing. I said I hoped they didn't let that unwavering confidence seep through to the players. Says one "listen, bucko, we'd beat the pick of Tyrone and the rest of Ulster and the whest."
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
The country has mayo backed here. It's simply a question of what you have them at. Could this be the most one sided semi final in 3 decades, are mayo still 9/4 for Sam. Might have a bit of that _ the talk is that that's quality odds. I feel that it's more than just a battle between 2 midfielders who can't tackle.
What is the handicap?
Arrogance and victimhood all in one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
It sounds like an Apres Match sketch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=174-r8p2hJc
Just hope Mayo don't resort to the cynicism they displayed in the last 5 mins of last year's semi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORqdU5kzwI
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 12:38:55 PM
Just hope Mayo don't resort to the cynicism they displayed in the last 5 mins of last year's semi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORqdU5kzwI
they'll be well out of sight by then anawez
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 12:38:55 PM
Just hope Mayo don't resort to the cynicism they displayed in the last 5 mins of last year's semi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORqdU5kzwI
Lets hope we are in a position to resort to that sort of cynicism! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 12:38:55 PM
Just hope Mayo don't resort to the cynicism they displayed in the last 5 mins of last year's semi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORqdU5kzwI
Well, I've watched the full 12 minutes and 42 second of the final 5 minutes you talk about and once again I have marvelled at the courage of Clarkie and his equally bruised, battered and banjaxed team mates in the face of adversity.
It reminded me of the equally courageous fight against overwhelming odds by another Davy and his indomitable comrades.
Okay, Crockett was well and truly crocked when that gig was over but our Alamo held out and our walking wounded survived to fight another day.
How they managed to do so will always remain a mystery as their 16 opponents tried to bite, boot and bollack their way through the green and red lines.
But they never showed the white feather in spite of the best efforts of Joe McQuillan and, to a lesser extent, the Dublin team to deny them their passage to the All-Ireland final.
How they managed to field a full complement of players in the frenetic closing stages will never be explained by conventional logic alone. The walking, or more appropriately the limping, wounded were forced back into action again as the war of relentless attrition took its inevitable toll. Having been subjected to a barrage of digs to the jaw and to kicks up the hole from beginning to end, they somehow managed to drag themselves over the line of victory. (It may be said in passing that Joe Sheridan from the Royal County should know what I mean.)
It has to be said that their foes, all 16 of them, sometimes took the wrong option and their inadequate skill set led in great part to their own downfall.
I lost track of the number of times a Dublin player with the road to goal open before him, inexplicably changed course and crashed straight into a group of Mayo's bravest and finest -and totally bollaxed as well.
Whatever possessed a number of those relentless attackers to literally lose the run of themselves and turn somersaults with the goal at their mercy time and time again?
It may not be because they knew they'd get easy frees from their accomplice with his ever ready whistle but I can't think of any other reason.
Fortunately, Mayo withstood all that was thrown at them and Joe Mac was denied the POTY award that would have been his for the taking.
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 12:38:55 PM
Just hope Mayo don't resort to the cynicism they displayed in the last 5 mins of last year's semi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORqdU5kzwI
Thanks for that, I enjoyed it.
We conceded 4 frees in 10 minutes. Dirty bastards that we are.
Interesting that both of the last 2 Dublin frees should have been overturned by the ref due to the reaction of Dublin players.
No injuries reported at time of writing in Tyrone club games today.
how many of the first 15 actually started seen two starters in omagh doing water boys
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
I wouldn't be surprised to see McNabb come in for Penrose and push Mattie Donnelly a bit further up the field. Alternatively he could bring in Cassidy and let him operate around the middle like Penrose normally does.
I can't help but feel Tyrone will try something a bit different. They'd need to to try and breath some life into the full forward line
It'll be Mickey's 200th match in charge.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 09, 2013, 12:11:58 AM
There's easily 100+ pages in this one
25 by Sunday,
Slowing a bit next week but still adding 10 more
Notching up a further 30+ in the last week until throw in
And at least 40 between the game and aftermath
Bang on target lads, keep her lit
Quote from: skeog on August 11, 2013, 11:34:49 PM
how many of the first 15 actually started seen two starters in omagh doing water boys
Is that a crossword clue?
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
What about Ronan O'Neill? He did quite a bit of foraging out the field when he came on and is, arguably, our best natural forward outside of SoN. Could he be moulded to do more Penrose-esqe work and mix this with a three man full forward line at times?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2013, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
What about Ronan O'Neill? He did quite a bit of foraging out the field when he came on and is, arguably, our best natural forward outside of SoN. Could he be moulded to do more Penrose-esqe work and mix this with a three man full forward line at times?
O'Neill would be my pick. We need more men who are prepared to take a shot and stick the ball over the bar. Too many players seem reluctant to take a shot. O'Neill will.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 12, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2013, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
What about Ronan O'Neill? He did quite a bit of foraging out the field when he came on and is, arguably, our best natural forward outside of SoN. Could he be moulded to do more Penrose-esqe work and mix this with a three man full forward line at times?
O'Neill would be my pick. We need more men who are prepared to take a shot and stick the ball over the bar. Too many players seem reluctant to take a shot. O'Neill will.
Exactly, our weakness is our forward line and the last thing I want is to see Ronan O'Neill turned into a workhorse. Stick him close to goal and let him go for the score every time. The past few games we have played we have had 3 of our 6 forwards (McCurry, Penrose and Mark Donnelly) who would rather do anything but shoot for a score. Add in Joe McMahon with his more roaming role and you can see why we are struggling for scores. We have been effectively relying on Sean Cavanagh and Mattie Donnelly to score. Unfortunately for us SON is way past his best and as I said months ago he wouldn't be a game changer for us come championship. We need forwards who can beat their men and go for goals/points. Our goal return this past number of years is pretty embarassing.
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
Do Tyrone really need another donkey worker? Personally being at the Monaghan game it looked like they have too few scoring options but plenty of hard workers.
Quote from: DJGaliv on August 12, 2013, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
Do Tyrone really need another donkey worker? Personally being at the Monaghan game it looked like they have too few scoring options but plenty of hard workers.
I think this year we do in order to compensate for the deficiencies in defence.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 12, 2013, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 12, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2013, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Who comes in for Penrose? McNeice I would've said but he's out now too. Need a donkey worker - Kane?
What about Ronan O'Neill? He did quite a bit of foraging out the field when he came on and is, arguably, our best natural forward outside of SoN. Could he be moulded to do more Penrose-esqe work and mix this with a three man full forward line at times?
O'Neill would be my pick. We need more men who are prepared to take a shot and stick the ball over the bar. Too many players seem reluctant to take a shot. O'Neill will.
Exactly, our weakness is our forward line and the last thing I want is to see Ronan O'Neill turned into a workhorse. Stick him close to goal and let him go for the score every time. The past few games we have played we have had 3 of our 6 forwards (McCurry, Penrose and Mark Donnelly) who would rather do anything but shoot for a score. Add in Joe McMahon with his more roaming role and you can see why we are struggling for scores. We have been effectively relying on Sean Cavanagh and Mattie Donnelly to score. Unfortunately for us SON is way past his best and as I said months ago he wouldn't be a game changer for us come championship. We need forwards who can beat their men and go for goals/points. Our goal return this past number of years is pretty embarassing.
O'Neill may be past his best but he improved numerous times during the league that he can still be a top forward. He came back early from injury for the Kildare game and I don't think he has been quite right since. And when your not at your sharpiest its very hard to stand out when your up against 2 or 3 defenders. If he gets a good 3 week run into the Mayo game I've no doubt there's still a big performance in him.
I'm glad you got that in before I did Santa as it would sound more biased coming from me, his clubmate.
Yeah Stevie's lost a bit of his pace I fear and so is struggling with two or sometimes more guys hanging out of him these days. He gets very few chances to shoot and often when he does they're out in the wings or corners. I think he acts more as a decoy these days though some of the poor high balls being kicked into him were terrible.
I watched the Monaghan game there at the weekend and my patience with Penrose has finally wore thin. So I am glad he's out for this game. Him & Mone were at each other the whole game and I can't for the life of me see why Mickey didn't haul him off long before half time. He totally lost the run of himself and was a liability. His miss right at the start of the game was typical of him all season. Shooting wide under no pressure. I know he does a lot of work around the pitch and helps the defence out a lot but he really has lost any attacking threat that he used to have. Hard to believe he used to be one of our top scorers.
I would like to see Ronan get more time on the pitch and think he's more of a threat from play than McCurry. Whilst McCurry is our top scorer (or is it Sean now), you very rarely see him score that type of point that Ronan got last Saturday. He has the pace to come running out, catch, turn and shoot.
I'd say Mickey will go for mCNabb or maybe even Justy.
I think you's are suffering from O'Neill confusion.
Tyrone release secret footage of in-house training session prior to all-Ireland semi-final:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snZaIQic77A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snZaIQic77A)
Interestingly reading john evans predictions pre q/f weekend in the Examiner. He couldn't call it between Donegal/Mayo, he went onto say though if Donegal won he would expect them to account for Tyrone in semi but said Tyrone would beat Mayo.
He has battled with the two sides this year of course , cant help feeling he has developed the anti Mayo thing thats very common round roscommon though.
Hope you stay on for a while John with the rossies.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2013, 09:31:29 PM
Interestingly reading john evans predictions pre q/f weekend in the Examiner. He couldn't call it between Donegal/Mayo, he went onto say though if Donegal won he would expect them to account for Tyrone in semi but said Tyrone would beat Mayo.
He has battled with the two sides this year of course , cant help feeling he has developed the anti Mayo thing thats very common round roscommon though.
Hope you stay on for a while John with the rossies.
Colm O'Rourke is the one I find gas. Year in year out when Mayo play Galway, he picks Galway to win. Without fail! I laughed this year when he picked Galway. I know we had the AI hangover stuff. But Galway had done nothing in 12 months to come near beating us. Anyway rant over!
I look forward to his prediction next year should we be drawn together! Ah sure what am i thinking he'll pick Galway!
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2013, 09:31:29 PM
Interestingly reading john evans predictions pre q/f weekend in the Examiner. He couldn't call it between Donegal/Mayo, he went onto say though if Donegal won he would expect them to account for Tyrone in semi but said Tyrone would beat Mayo.
He has battled with the two sides this year of course , cant help feeling he has developed the anti Mayo thing thats very common round roscommon though.
Hope you stay on for a while John with the rossies.
Great to see John is becoming a true Rossie. Still amazed D. Brady's unprovoked attacks on him haven't got more air-play. He's a smart coach and anyone that saw how successful his adjustments after the Mayo game were could see that.
Only in the first 25 minutes of the Ros-Mayo game has anyone come close to troubling the Mighty Mayo Men. Evans will help us eat the rhubarbs soon enough.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2013, 02:43:58 PM
I'm glad you got that in before I did Santa as it would sound more biased coming from me, his clubmate.
Yeah Stevie's lost a bit of his pace I fear and so is struggling with two or sometimes more guys hanging out of him these days. He gets very few chances to shoot and often when he does they're out in the wings or corners. I think he acts more as a decoy these days though some of the poor high balls being kicked into him were terrible.
I watched the Monaghan game there at the weekend and my patience with Penrose has finally wore thin. So I am glad he's out for this game. Him & Mone were at each other the whole game and I can't for the life of me see why Mickey didn't haul him off long before half time. He totally lost the run of himself and was a liability. His miss right at the start of the game was typical of him all season. Shooting wide under no pressure. I know he does a lot of work around the pitch and helps the defence out a lot but he really has lost any attacking threat that he used to have. Hard to believe he used to be one of our top scorers.
I would like to see Ronan get more time on the pitch and think he's more of a threat from play than McCurry. Whilst McCurry is our top scorer (or is it Sean now), you very rarely see him score that type of point that Ronan got last Saturday. He has the pace to come running out, catch, turn and shoot.
I'd say Mickey will go for mCNabb or maybe even Justy.
Is McAliskey out of the running these days? Tyrone were at their most exciting this year when himself and McCurry were up front. He was the County's leading scorer but has disappeared after the Donegal match. Is he injured?
On that note, only Jack McCaffrey out of this lot has really fulfilled the hype:
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0102131411-ten-to-watch-potential-stars-of-the-allianz-league/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0102131411-ten-to-watch-potential-stars-of-the-allianz-league/)
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2013, 09:31:29 PM
Interestingly reading john evans predictions pre q/f weekend in the Examiner. He couldn't call it between Donegal/Mayo, he went onto say though if Donegal won he would expect them to account for Tyrone in semi but said Tyrone would beat Mayo.
He has battled with the two sides this year of course , cant help feeling he has developed the anti Mayo thing thats very common round roscommon though.
Hope you stay on for a while John with the rossies.
Great to see John is becoming a true Rossie. Still amazed D. Brady's unprovoked attacks on him haven't got more air-play. He's a smart coach and anyone that saw how successful his adjustments after the Mayo game were could see that.
Only in the first 25 minutes of the Ros-Mayo game has anyone come close to troubling the Mighty Mayo Men. Evans will help us eat the rhubarbs soon enough.
He is entitled to his opinion of course, i just don't fully understand where he's coming from, team a beats you by 12 points and team b were very lucky to beat you at all in fairness, yet you predict team b to to beat team a.
Like i said i find it very interesting , maybe he's planning for battles out west in the future and hardening his attitude towards Mayo.
I did also hear he masterminded the placard malarkey for the strokestown boys that greeted the Mayo faithful last sunday week on our way home.
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2013, 09:31:29 PM
Interestingly reading john evans predictions pre q/f weekend in the Examiner. He couldn't call it between Donegal/Mayo, he went onto say though if Donegal won he would expect them to account for Tyrone in semi but said Tyrone would beat Mayo.
He has battled with the two sides this year of course , cant help feeling he has developed the anti Mayo thing thats very common round roscommon though.
Hope you stay on for a while John with the rossies.
Great to see John is becoming a true Rossie. Still amazed D. Brady's unprovoked attacks on him haven't got more air-play. He's a smart coach and anyone that saw how successful his adjustments after the Mayo game were could see that.
Only in the first 25 minutes of the Ros-Mayo game has anyone come close to troubling the Mighty Mayo Men. Evans will help us eat the rhubarbs soon enough.
I hope ya have Supermacs number on speeddial Syfo
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2013, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2013, 02:43:58 PM
I'm glad you got that in before I did Santa as it would sound more biased coming from me, his clubmate.
Yeah Stevie's lost a bit of his pace I fear and so is struggling with two or sometimes more guys hanging out of him these days. He gets very few chances to shoot and often when he does they're out in the wings or corners. I think he acts more as a decoy these days though some of the poor high balls being kicked into him were terrible.
I watched the Monaghan game there at the weekend and my patience with Penrose has finally wore thin. So I am glad he's out for this game. Him & Mone were at each other the whole game and I can't for the life of me see why Mickey didn't haul him off long before half time. He totally lost the run of himself and was a liability. His miss right at the start of the game was typical of him all season. Shooting wide under no pressure. I know he does a lot of work around the pitch and helps the defence out a lot but he really has lost any attacking threat that he used to have. Hard to believe he used to be one of our top scorers.
I would like to see Ronan get more time on the pitch and think he's more of a threat from play than McCurry. Whilst McCurry is our top scorer (or is it Sean now), you very rarely see him score that type of point that Ronan got last Saturday. He has the pace to come running out, catch, turn and shoot.
I'd say Mickey will go for mCNabb or maybe even Justy.
Is McAliskey out of the running these days? Tyrone were at their most exciting this year when himself and McCurry were up front. He was the County's leading scorer but has disappeared after the Donegal match. Is he injured?
On that note, only Jack McCaffrey out of this lot has really fulfilled the hype:
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0102131411-ten-to-watch-potential-stars-of-the-allianz-league/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0102131411-ten-to-watch-potential-stars-of-the-allianz-league/)
McAlsikey started in both the games v Roscommon and Offaly. I thought he did rightly this year but just didn't do enough in the games to hold onto his place. Surprised he hasn't got more action from the bench. This year will be a good learning curve for him and if he works hard enough can become a good county player.
It's going to be interesting to see who replaces Penrose. McNabb would be best suited to the role but hard to believe he's up to the level of fitness after being injured all year. Harte could be tempted with Cassidy midfield, Colm to half forward and Mattie Donnelly pushed up to the corner. Given the strength of Mayo around the middle it might actually not be a bad idea. The other big decison could be around McCurry and whether he holds his place. O'Neill looked good coming on the last day but its much tougher starting.
Any word of Joe McMahon. He was limping the last day but hopefully nothing major. Hard to see Justy coming into the wreckoning to start given the amount of time he's missed again this year.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2013, 10:24:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2013, 09:31:29 PM
Interestingly reading john evans predictions pre q/f weekend in the Examiner. He couldn't call it between Donegal/Mayo, he went onto say though if Donegal won he would expect them to account for Tyrone in semi but said Tyrone would beat Mayo.
He has battled with the two sides this year of course , cant help feeling he has developed the anti Mayo thing thats very common round roscommon though.
Hope you stay on for a while John with the rossies.
Great to see John is becoming a true Rossie. Still amazed D. Brady's unprovoked attacks on him haven't got more air-play. He's a smart coach and anyone that saw how successful his adjustments after the Mayo game were could see that.
Only in the first 25 minutes of the Ros-Mayo game has anyone come close to troubling the Mighty Mayo Men. Evans will help us eat the rhubarbs soon enough.
He is entitled to his opinion of course, i just don't fully understand where he's coming from, team a beats you by 12 points and team b were very lucky to beat you at all in fairness, yet you predict team b to to beat team a.
Like i said i find it very interesting , maybe he's planning for battles out west in the future and hardening his attitude towards Mayo.
I did also hear he masterminded the placard malarkey for the strokestown boys that greeted the Mayo faithful last sunday week on our way home.
I thought that was Syferus himself!
What was in Strokestown...?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 12, 2013, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2013, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2013, 02:43:58 PM
I'm glad you got that in before I did Santa as it would sound more biased coming from me, his clubmate.
Yeah Stevie's lost a bit of his pace I fear and so is struggling with two or sometimes more guys hanging out of him these days. He gets very few chances to shoot and often when he does they're out in the wings or corners. I think he acts more as a decoy these days though some of the poor high balls being kicked into him were terrible.
I watched the Monaghan game there at the weekend and my patience with Penrose has finally wore thin. So I am glad he's out for this game. Him & Mone were at each other the whole game and I can't for the life of me see why Mickey didn't haul him off long before half time. He totally lost the run of himself and was a liability. His miss right at the start of the game was typical of him all season. Shooting wide under no pressure. I know he does a lot of work around the pitch and helps the defence out a lot but he really has lost any attacking threat that he used to have. Hard to believe he used to be one of our top scorers.
I would like to see Ronan get more time on the pitch and think he's more of a threat from play than McCurry. Whilst McCurry is our top scorer (or is it Sean now), you very rarely see him score that type of point that Ronan got last Saturday. He has the pace to come running out, catch, turn and shoot.
I'd say Mickey will go for mCNabb or maybe even Justy.
Is McAliskey out of the running these days? Tyrone were at their most exciting this year when himself and McCurry were up front. He was the County's leading scorer but has disappeared after the Donegal match. Is he injured?
On that note, only Jack McCaffrey out of this lot has really fulfilled the hype:
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0102131411-ten-to-watch-potential-stars-of-the-allianz-league/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0102131411-ten-to-watch-potential-stars-of-the-allianz-league/)
McAlsikey started in both the games v Roscommon and Offaly. I thought he did rightly this year but just didn't do enough in the games to hold onto his place. Surprised he hasn't got more action from the bench. This year will be a good learning curve for him and if he works hard enough can become a good county player.
It's going to be interesting to see who replaces Penrose. McNabb would be best suited to the role but hard to believe he's up to the level of fitness after being injured all year. Harte could be tempted with Cassidy midfield, Colm to half forward and Mattie Donnelly pushed up to the corner. Given the strength of Mayo around the middle it might actually not be a bad idea. The other big decison could be around McCurry and whether he holds his place. O'Neill looked good coming on the last day but its much tougher starting.
Any word of Joe McMahon. He was limping the last day but hopefully nothing major. Hard to see Justy coming into the wreckoning to start given the amount of time he's missed again this year.
Knowing Mickey this year, there'll be no surprises. He'll deploy a tactic around the middle, tweak it a little and if it's not working, then throw on Cassidy. I feel that Mark Donnelly is going to take on a lot of Penrose's role and expect a lively game from him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2013, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
That is true. We have not bate a side I'd consider a fine scalp.
Tyrone haven't beaten a decent team since 2008. Mayo keep beating reigning all Ireland champions!
I think it's been mentioned before but look at what happened Meath in the game after they beat the All Ireland Champions in 2000. They thought that they only had to turn up and that Galway would roll over.
Having said that I was on holidays and missed the Mayo/Donegal game. I asked the brother-in-law was it a mixture of Mayo being good and Donegal being bad. He said Donegal just weren't allowed to play and that Mayo were all over them.
I still think Donegal only played one game this year that was anywhere near the level they were at last year and that was the Tyrone game. They thought they only had to beat Tyrone to win Ulster so they were all psyched up for the game and peaked too soon.
Quote from: thebuzz on August 13, 2013, 12:19:21 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2013, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
That is true. We have not bate a side I'd consider a fine scalp.
Tyrone haven't beaten a decent team since 2008. Mayo keep beating reigning all Ireland champions!
I think it's been mentioned before but look at what happened Meath in the game after they beat the All Ireland Champions in 2000. They thought that they only had to turn up and that Galway would roll over.
Having said that I was on holidays and missed the Mayo/Donegal game. I asked the brother-in-law was it a mixture of Mayo being good and Donegal being bad. He said Donegal just weren't allowed to play and that Mayo were all over them.
I still think Donegal only played one game this year that was anywhere near the level they were at last year and that was the Tyrone game. They thought they only had to beat Tyrone to win Ulster so they were all psyched up for the game and peaked too soon.
Agreed and if Tyrone were to win this game will Mayo have peaked too soon against Donegal?
Quote from: thebuzz on August 13, 2013, 12:19:21 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2013, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 10, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Tyrone haven't bate anyone worth 2d either.
That is true. We have not bate a side I'd consider a fine scalp.
Tyrone haven't beaten a decent team since 2008. Mayo keep beating reigning all Ireland champions!
I think it's been mentioned before but look at what happened Meath in the game after they beat the All Ireland Champions in 2000. They thought that they only had to turn up and that Galway would roll over.
Having said that I was on holidays and missed the Mayo/Donegal game. I asked the brother-in-law was it a mixture of Mayo being good and Donegal being bad. He said Donegal just weren't allowed to play and that Mayo were all over them.
I still think Donegal only played one game this year that was anywhere near the level they were at last year and that was the Tyrone game. They thought they only had to beat Tyrone to win Ulster so they were all psyched up for the game and peaked too soon.
Was that not in 2001?
I think Meath played Kerry in a semi final and Kerry were hot favourites to win that one. Kerry imploded that day and Meath were easy winners.
As a result Meath went into the final as red-hot favourite favourites against Galway where they did the same as Kerry had done in the previous match. Galway won 0-17 to 0-08.
So Mayo weren't the first team to bottle it in Croke Park!
Any word on injuries from the Mayo camp? Cunniffe? Conroy? B Moran? Doc?
As regards matchups, I'd guess that Mayo would be looking at:
Caff on SO'N
Cunniffe (if fit) on McCurry
Boyle on Joe Mc
Barrett on R O'Neill
Leaving Keegan / Vaughan on the two Donnellys (or one sweeping)
That's assuming that Higgins doesn't play in the FB line.
I feel Cassidy isn't as mobile as we think and he mightn't be preforming as well as Colm on sports bra technology. Could be one of the reasons he isn't starting when we think he should be. To be fair to the much maligned Colm he was very good the last day and does cover a fair amount of ground, especially around defence.
Quote from: trileacman on August 13, 2013, 01:25:45 AM
I feel Cassidy isn't as mobile as we think and he mightn't be preforming as well as Colm on sports bra technology. Could be one of the reasons he isn't starting when we think he should be. To be fair to the much maligned Colm he was very good the last day and does cover a fair amount of ground, especially around defence.
Another one bites the bra. Steady on.
Agree. Colm Cavanagh had a great game the last day out.
On this day 1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6
Remember it vividly.
Aftermath in Mayo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_T7Znq7VA4
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
On this day 1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6
Remember it vividly.
Aftermath in Mayo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_T7Znq7VA4
Great video :)
The shtate of the roads and cars!
Quote from: Tubberman on August 13, 2013, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
On this day 1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6
Remember it vividly.
Aftermath in Mayo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_T7Znq7VA4
Great video :)
The shtate of the roads and cars!
Look at them with their flags and all, rubbing it in after beating Tyrone. Sickening arrogance! Hope we can do it for the '89 boys - Unfinished Business!! ;D
After the AI final last year I met a lot of very dejected and even embarrassed Mayo fans in Jurys hotel. Most didn't even want to talk about the match or hear any of my sympathy for them which was understandable. They've had that feeling much too often and fair play to them for being able to get back up on the horse and ride on again.
They sure gave Donegal a real hiding and looked on top all over the field and on that performance you would imagine they'll beat any team that gets in there way.
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
I think Tyrone will frustrate Mayo much more than they think and they will find it much harder to get scores than in previous games. I don't think we will have the forwards to win the game and so it depends again on how well Sean Cavanagh is contained.
On a different note, strangely part of me would be happy enough should we not get to the final this year as I know the build up to the final will be quite anti Tyrone and our negative cynical style. Everyone wants a Mayo v Dublin final I think with football being the winner which will bring an end to the Donegal/Ulster style of rugby league style of game. Whether that happens or not next year we'll have to wait to see.
It will be interesting to see how defensive Kerry set up against such a fast flowing Dublin outfit.
From the Mayo News:
As a keen observer of Mayo teams over the years, Padraic O'Malley is hopeful that Sam may finally make that trip to Mayo. But, he says, it is better to remain circumspect since this was only a quarter-final and it is way too soon to start counting unhatched chickens.
"I think Mayo will beat Tyrone but we all know, from experience, the All-Ireland final is different. After all Mayo beat the [previous year's] All-Ireland champions over the last few years but didn't go on to win. But this team looks to have more steam and resolve," Padraic added.
Fair play to Mayo. Planning for the final already.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
Would you care to tell us what you're basing this on? Well to be honest, I'm not sure I care.
There was little to no hype in Mayo last year - people were afraid to be excited, a) in case it affected the team, b) so that we wouldn't have to listen to supporters from other counties telling us we were losing the run of ourselves.
Up in Donegal there was a mardi gras atmosphere for weeks before the final, and it made fck all difference to the match itself. They continued the party up to Christmas, we never even started one.
So maybe Mayo people should just enjoy the ride - put up the flag, put on the jersey, have a bit of pride and confidence in the team - they deserve it.
Hype = confidence ?
I go to all Mayo games and have done for years, like a lot more i know. What is the mood , genuinely i admit there is an air of confidence we can beat Tyrone and why shouldn't there be, we are playing great stuff.
The forums are a bit of craic in the main and a lot is said that doesn't reflect the true feelings of a supporter , its easy to be flippant and arrogant for a laugh to provoke reaction but i promise ya, you would be hard pressed come across a more humble bunch than the Mayo faithful in the main. Of course there will be the younger crowd giving it all the bravado, sure isn't that part of growing up.
Mayo senior football team in its present form are here to take Sam Maguire and there will be no apologies for that. That team will not be beat handy and thats why there is slowly but surely a true confidence developing amongst the support.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 13, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
Would you care to tell us what you're basing this on? Well to be honest, I'm not sure I care.
There was little to no hype in Mayo last year - people were afraid to be excited, a) in case it affected the team, b) so that we wouldn't have to listen to supporters from other counties telling us we were losing the run of ourselves.
Up in Donegal there was a mardi gras atmosphere for weeks before the final, and it made fck all difference to the match itself. They continued the party up to Christmas, we never even started one.
So maybe Mayo people should just enjoy the ride - put up the flag, put on the jersey, have a bit of pride and confidence in the team - they deserve it.
I think it's just a general attitude we have in Ireland. We're always a bit perturbed by somebody sticking their chest out and being confident.
Note 1.28 and....3.03. It's just in out nature to be bitter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpZbaz3Wlfw
Quote from: larryin89 on August 13, 2013, 11:57:19 AM
Hype = confidence ?
I go to all Mayo games and have done for years, like a lot more i know. What is the mood , genuinely i admit there is an air of confidence we can beat Tyrone and why shouldn't there be, we are playing great stuff.
The forums are a bit of craic in the main and a lot is said that doesn't reflect the true feelings of a supporter , its easy to be flippant and arrogant for a laugh to provoke reaction but i promise ya, you would be hard pressed come across a more humble bunch than the Mayo faithful in the main. Of course there will be the younger crowd giving it all the bravado, sure isn't that part of growing up.
Mayo senior football team in its present form are here to take Sam Maguire and there will be no apologies for that. That team will not be beat handy and thats why there is slowly but surely a true confidence developing amongst the support.
Yes. I agree. Totally. Full-heartedly. Absolutely.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
After the AI final last year I met a lot of very dejected and even embarrassed Mayo fans in Jurys hotel. Most didn't even want to talk about the match or hear any of my sympathy for them which was understandable. They've had that feeling much too often and fair play to them for being able to get back up on the horse and ride on again.
They sure gave Donegal a real hiding and looked on top all over the field and on that performance you would imagine they'll beat any team that gets in there way.
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
I think Tyrone will frustrate Mayo much more than they think and they will find it much harder to get scores than in previous games. I don't think we will have the forwards to win the game and so it depends again on how well Sean Cavanagh is contained.
On a different note, strangely part of me would be happy enough should we not get to the final this year as I know the build up to the final will be quite anti Tyrone and our negative cynical style. Everyone wants a Mayo v Dublin final I think with football being the winner which will bring an end to the Donegal/Ulster style of rugby league style of game. Whether that happens or not next year we'll have to wait to see.
It will be interesting to see how defensive Kerry set up against such a fast flowing Dublin outfit.
I think as a Mayoman I find it better to embrace the occasion and be confident in the team. We have made it to an All Ireland semi final playing the best football from a Mayo team that I can ever remember. Personally I like to enjoy following this team and if asked whether I think this team can win the All Ireland I tell the truth and answer yes. If we get beaten by Tyrone then so be it and there is no shame in been beaten by a county that was probably the team of the last decade but I am not going to keep the head down look at the ground murmuring I don't know if asked where I think this current Mayo team are at. We have failed so many times before at this stage we have nothing to fear from failure as fans so in my opinion it is better to hope and dream rather than hide and try a deflect from a potential failure. What is the point in lying about how you feel about your county to just so you can be the first say "I warned you all" if we happen to lose in the semi final. People seem to forget that this is a semi final of a knock out competition of considerable quality so it would hardly be beyond the realms of possibility if Mayo or Dublin were to be caught out.
It is pretty obvious that people in this country put a lot of stock in being cute (e.g playing down the prospects of your team) as if this is some brilliant tactic to fool an opponent when in fact it is a default position to prevent yourself from sticking your head above the parapet for fear of being proven wrong. If I were a Tyrone fan I would be confident of a possible victory as long as the team is set up correctly as a result of the successes of the last decade(due to the confidence and experience this brings) and Tyrone could very well dominate and dictate the game to win by a relatively comfortable margin of 3 or 4 points due to this Mayo team failing to live with the pressure of having to retrieve a game in the last quarter. Expect immediately a Mayo poster to think what an arrogant statement, rolling out the tired old cliche that Mayo bottle it in Croke park when in fact if you look at the fact that Mayo haven't been behind in the second half let alone the last quarter of a game this championship to date , why would this scenario be outlandish to the Mayo fan. Also if Mayo get a lightning start and win by ten plus points would anyone be really shocked after what happened in their four previous games. So where does all this accusations of arrogance and worship of the "beal bocht " come from?
Personally I think it's part and parcel ( a bad part ) of our character as a nation just like being compulsive/widely emotional is part and parcel of the character of a Mayoman/Mayowomen so please don't throw up a quote from a local paper ( Mayo or Tyrone) by some local expert (Padraic O' Malley or Adrian Logan) as some kind of beacon as to how either Mickey Harte or James Horan and their players will approach this game mentally or as a measure of the respect either sets of fans have towards each county. Also it would be nice if fans from both sides could give a genuine opinion as to why the think their county will win or lose this match without resorting to trying to be" cute" for fear of reprisal! To quote the great Mickey Harte " a man how never made a mistake , never made anything at all".
Would Mayo v Dublin be a final pairing that would be good for football? Well as a fan of the Gaa if my own county isn't in the final I would watch the final to be entertained. Does the football have to be free flowing and high scoring to do this? Well for me no and who is to say that such a match up wouldn't be cagey and defensive? I am sure a lot of people would be satisfied with a Kerry Mayo final as wondering can Mayo seek revenge for past annihilation's at the hands of the Kingdom or will it be another case of car crash TV? Wouldn't Dublin Tyrone be interesting with the grizzly veterans of Gormely , O'Neill , Cavanagh and Harte against the young upstarts of McCaffrey , Kilkenny , Mannion and Gavin? Lastly who wouldn't want to see the war that would be Kerry Tyrone which could possibly put the who was the greatest argument to bed ( well for a little while at least)?
Great post Crete Boom.
For me, the major worry is that Mayo won't play as well again. (I know Lar and the whole lot of you will say it's Farr's pessimism etc.) But I can't see them playing as well against Tyrone as they did the last day. Maybe I'm too caught up on previous teams etc, but to be entering a semi final as odds on favourites when the opposition is managed by Mickey Harte I can only hope the Mayo players remain grounded. If they do, we stand a great chance. If not, and it's level with 5 to go, then it's squeaky bum time.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
After the AI final last year I met a lot of very dejected and even embarrassed Mayo fans in Jurys hotel. Most didn't even want to talk about the match or hear any of my sympathy for them which was understandable. They've had that feeling much too often and fair play to them for being able to get back up on the horse and ride on again.
They sure gave Donegal a real hiding and looked on top all over the field and on that performance you would imagine they'll beat any team that gets in there way.
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
I think Tyrone will frustrate Mayo much more than they think and they will find it much harder to get scores than in previous games. I don't think we will have the forwards to win the game and so it depends again on how well Sean Cavanagh is contained.
On a different note, strangely part of me would be happy enough should we not get to the final this year as I know the build up to the final will be quite anti Tyrone and our negative cynical style. Everyone wants a Mayo v Dublin final I think with football being the winner which will bring an end to the Donegal/Ulster style of rugby league style of game. Whether that happens or not next year we'll have to wait to see.
It will be interesting to see how defensive Kerry set up against such a fast flowing Dublin outfit.
I think as a Mayoman I find it better to embrace the occasion and be confident in the team. We have made it to an All Ireland semi final playing the best football from a Mayo team that I can ever remember. Personally I like to enjoy following this team and if asked whether I think this team can win the All Ireland I tell the truth and answer yes. If we get beaten by Tyrone then so be it and there is no shame in been beaten by a county that was probably the team of the last decade but I am not going to keep the head down look at the ground murmuring I don't know if asked where I think this current Mayo team are at. We have failed so many times before at this stage we have nothing to fear from failure as fans so in my opinion it is better to hope and dream rather than hide and try a deflect from a potential failure. What is the point in lying about how you feel about your county to just so you can be the first say "I warned you all" if we happen to lose in the semi final. People seem to forget that this is a semi final of a knock out competition of considerable quality so it would hardly be beyond the realms of possibility if Mayo or Dublin were to be caught out.
It is pretty obvious that people in this country put a lot of stock in being cute (e.g playing down the prospects of your team) as if this is some brilliant tactic to fool an opponent when in fact it is a default position to prevent yourself from sticking your head above the parapet for fear of being proven wrong. If I were a Tyrone fan I would be confident of a possible victory as long as the team is set up correctly as a result of the successes of the last decade(due to the confidence and experience this brings) and Tyrone could very well dominate and dictate the game to win by a relatively comfortable margin of 3 or 4 points due to this Mayo team failing to live with the pressure of having to retrieve a game in the last quarter. Expect immediately a Mayo poster to think what an arrogant statement, rolling out the tired old cliche that Mayo bottle it in Croke park when in fact if you look at the fact that Mayo haven't been behind in the second half let alone the last quarter of a game this championship to date , why would this scenario be outlandish to the Mayo fan. Also if Mayo get a lightning start and win by ten plus points would anyone be really shocked after what happened in their four previous games. So where does all this accusations of arrogance and worship of the "beal bocht " come from?
Personally I think it's part and parcel ( a bad part ) of our character as a nation just like being compulsive/widely emotional is part and parcel of the character of a Mayoman/Mayowomen so please don't throw up a quote from a local paper ( Mayo or Tyrone) by some local expert (Padraic O' Malley or Adrian Logan) as some kind of beacon as to how either Mickey Harte or James Horan and their players will approach this game mentally or as a measure of the respect either sets of fans have towards each county. Also it would be nice if fans from both sides could give a genuine opinion as to why the think their county will win or lose this match without resorting to trying to be" cute" for fear of reprisal! To quote the great Mickey Harte " a man how never made a mistake , never made anything at all".
Would Mayo v Dublin be a final pairing that would be good for football? Well as a fan of the Gaa if my own county isn't in the final I would watch the final to be entertained. Does the football have to be free flowing and high scoring to do this? Well for me no and who is to say that such a match up wouldn't be cagey and defensive? I am sure a lot of people would be satisfied with a Kerry Mayo final as wondering can Mayo seek revenge for past annihilation's at the hands of the Kingdom or will it be another case of car crash TV? Wouldn't Dublin Tyrone be interesting with the grizzly veterans of Gormely , O'Neill , Cavanagh and Harte against the young upstarts of McCaffrey , Kilkenny , Mannion and Gavin? Lastly who wouldn't want to see the war that would be Kerry Tyrone which could possibly put the who was the greatest argument to bed ( well for a little while at least)?
You mean the 'greatest argument' all these years was would an almost entirely different Tyrone team beat a bunch of old and slow Kerry legends? That boat sailed out of the harbour a long time ago. The counties still hate each other, of course.
Yes very well put Crete Boom and usually I would be like that mindset myself, despite my own previous post. I suppose where I was coming from was that for me after we won our first in 2003 I suppose I was more open about how I thought we would do.
Ye are right though. Yis have played some great stuff all year and put up big scores. Make the most of it and enjoy it while ye can and I'll be delighted for ye when ye finally reach the promise land (again)
I would be happy not to play Kerry for another 10 years tbh
Quote from: larryin89 on August 13, 2013, 12:23:59 PM
Great post Crete Boom.
Go raibh maith agat Larry although I could have a got to the point a bit quicker like your good self in your post ;D
Ah FFS Crete this is the gaaboard. It's not to be taken seriously. It's all a bit of craic and no eejit thinks what they say has any impact on anything in the real world.
This stage is arseboxing. The tactics etc are discussed closer to the time.
How boring is the alternative. Lighten up.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 12:34:39 PM
Yes very well put Crete Boom and usually I would be like that mindset myself, despite my own previous post. I suppose where I was coming from was that for me after we won our first in 2003 I suppose I was more open about how I thought we would do.
Ye are right though. Yis have played some great stuff all year and put up big scores. Make the most of it and enjoy it while ye can and I'll be delighted for ye when ye finally reach the promise land (again)
I would be happy not to play Kerry for another 10 years tbh
I think it is just having watched everyone barley mention SAM or the final in Mayo last year and watching my Donegal cousins and friends go mad and embrace it, I just thought follow the county team as you feel you should rather than hide from the mythical hype or arrogance. If you genuinely feel apprehensive about your county's championship prospects that is fine but we should leave the yerra stuff to the Kerrymen ( they only use it as a joke to wind the rest of us up anyway).
Fuzzman you wouldn't be tempted to have one more rattle at the Kingdom just to tidy the record up at 4-1 for Tyrone since 2003 ;)?
Have Mayo been behond in any games this year apart from early on? Hopefully Tyrone can stay with them, frustrate their forwards and tag on the scores that will have Mayo in unchartered territory. No better team to close out a game, I think Joe Brolly even agrees.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
After the AI final last year I met a lot of very dejected and even embarrassed Mayo fans in Jurys hotel. Most didn't even want to talk about the match or hear any of my sympathy for them which was understandable. They've had that feeling much too often and fair play to them for being able to get back up on the horse and ride on again.
They sure gave Donegal a real hiding and looked on top all over the field and on that performance you would imagine they'll beat any team that gets in there way.
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
I think Tyrone will frustrate Mayo much more than they think and they will find it much harder to get scores than in previous games. I don't think we will have the forwards to win the game and so it depends again on how well Sean Cavanagh is contained.
On a different note, strangely part of me would be happy enough should we not get to the final this year as I know the build up to the final will be quite anti Tyrone and our negative cynical style. Everyone wants a Mayo v Dublin final I think with football being the winner which will bring an end to the Donegal/Ulster style of rugby league style of game. Whether that happens or not next year we'll have to wait to see.
It will be interesting to see how defensive Kerry set up against such a fast flowing Dublin outfit.
I think as a Mayoman I find it better to embrace the occasion and be confident in the team. We have made it to an All Ireland semi final playing the best football from a Mayo team that I can ever remember. Personally I like to enjoy following this team and if asked whether I think this team can win the All Ireland I tell the truth and answer yes. If we get beaten by Tyrone then so be it and there is no shame in been beaten by a county that was probably the team of the last decade but I am not going to keep the head down look at the ground murmuring I don't know if asked where I think this current Mayo team are at. We have failed so many times before at this stage we have nothing to fear from failure as fans so in my opinion it is better to hope and dream rather than hide and try a deflect from a potential failure. What is the point in lying about how you feel about your county to just so you can be the first say "I warned you all" if we happen to lose in the semi final. People seem to forget that this is a semi final of a knock out competition of considerable quality so it would hardly be beyond the realms of possibility if Mayo or Dublin were to be caught out.
It is pretty obvious that people in this country put a lot of stock in being cute (e.g playing down the prospects of your team) as if this is some brilliant tactic to fool an opponent when in fact it is a default position to prevent yourself from sticking your head above the parapet for fear of being proven wrong. If I were a Tyrone fan I would be confident of a possible victory as long as the team is set up correctly as a result of the successes of the last decade(due to the confidence and experience this brings) and Tyrone could very well dominate and dictate the game to win by a relatively comfortable margin of 3 or 4 points due to this Mayo team failing to live with the pressure of having to retrieve a game in the last quarter. Expect immediately a Mayo poster to think what an arrogant statement, rolling out the tired old cliche that Mayo bottle it in Croke park when in fact if you look at the fact that Mayo haven't been behind in the second half let alone the last quarter of a game this championship to date , why would this scenario be outlandish to the Mayo fan. Also if Mayo get a lightning start and win by ten plus points would anyone be really shocked after what happened in their four previous games. So where does all this accusations of arrogance and worship of the "beal bocht " come from?
Personally I think it's part and parcel ( a bad part ) of our character as a nation just like being compulsive/widely emotional is part and parcel of the character of a Mayoman/Mayowomen so please don't throw up a quote from a local paper ( Mayo or Tyrone) by some local expert (Padraic O' Malley or Adrian Logan) as some kind of beacon as to how either Mickey Harte or James Horan and their players will approach this game mentally or as a measure of the respect either sets of fans have towards each county. Also it would be nice if fans from both sides could give a genuine opinion as to why the think their county will win or lose this match without resorting to trying to be" cute" for fear of reprisal! To quote the great Mickey Harte " a man how never made a mistake , never made anything at all".
Would Mayo v Dublin be a final pairing that would be good for football? Well as a fan of the Gaa if my own county isn't in the final I would watch the final to be entertained. Does the football have to be free flowing and high scoring to do this? Well for me no and who is to say that such a match up wouldn't be cagey and defensive? I am sure a lot of people would be satisfied with a Kerry Mayo final as wondering can Mayo seek revenge for past annihilation's at the hands of the Kingdom or will it be another case of car crash TV? Wouldn't Dublin Tyrone be interesting with the grizzly veterans of Gormely , O'Neill , Cavanagh and Harte against the young upstarts of McCaffrey , Kilkenny , Mannion and Gavin? Lastly who wouldn't want to see the war that would be Kerry Tyrone which could possibly put the who was the greatest argument to bed ( well for a little while at least)?
You mean the 'greatest argument' all these years was would an almost entirely different Tyrone team beat a bunch of old and slow Kerry legends? That boat sailed out of the harbour a long time ago. The counties still hate each other, of course.
Are you willing to put every penny you have on say Mayo if we meet Kerry in the final? ;D
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 13, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
Have Mayo been behond in any games this year apart from early on? Hopefully Tyrone can stay with them, frustrate their forwards and tag on the scores that will have Mayo in unchartered territory. No better team to close out a game, I think Joe Brolly even agrees.
Was thinking this morning - apart from the hammering Donegal gave us, have we played a team above division three this year?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 13, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
Have Mayo been behond in any games this year apart from early on? Hopefully Tyrone can stay with them, frustrate their forwards and tag on the scores that will have Mayo in unchartered territory. No better team to close out a game, I think Joe Brolly even agrees.
I don't think we have been behind at half time in any of our games and definitely not in the second half.
The obvious end game for Tyrone would be to be a couple up going into the last quarter and see what Mayo do?
Is Morgan gone for the season cause he was excellent in bypassing A O' Shea with his kick outs in the league game?
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 13, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
Have Mayo been behond in any games this year apart from early on? Hopefully Tyrone can stay with them, frustrate their forwards and tag on the scores that will have Mayo in unchartered territory. No better team to close out a game, I think Joe Brolly even agrees.
Was thinking this morning - apart from the hammering Donegal gave us, have we played a team above division three this year?
Kildare.
Ah. The games start to merge into a blur.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
After the AI final last year I met a lot of very dejected and even embarrassed Mayo fans in Jurys hotel. Most didn't even want to talk about the match or hear any of my sympathy for them which was understandable. They've had that feeling much too often and fair play to them for being able to get back up on the horse and ride on again.
They sure gave Donegal a real hiding and looked on top all over the field and on that performance you would imagine they'll beat any team that gets in there way.
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
I think Tyrone will frustrate Mayo much more than they think and they will find it much harder to get scores than in previous games. I don't think we will have the forwards to win the game and so it depends again on how well Sean Cavanagh is contained.
On a different note, strangely part of me would be happy enough should we not get to the final this year as I know the build up to the final will be quite anti Tyrone and our negative cynical style. Everyone wants a Mayo v Dublin final I think with football being the winner which will bring an end to the Donegal/Ulster style of rugby league style of game. Whether that happens or not next year we'll have to wait to see.
It will be interesting to see how defensive Kerry set up against such a fast flowing Dublin outfit.
I think as a Mayoman I find it better to embrace the occasion and be confident in the team. We have made it to an All Ireland semi final playing the best football from a Mayo team that I can ever remember. Personally I like to enjoy following this team and if asked whether I think this team can win the All Ireland I tell the truth and answer yes. If we get beaten by Tyrone then so be it and there is no shame in been beaten by a county that was probably the team of the last decade but I am not going to keep the head down look at the ground murmuring I don't know if asked where I think this current Mayo team are at. We have failed so many times before at this stage we have nothing to fear from failure as fans so in my opinion it is better to hope and dream rather than hide and try a deflect from a potential failure. What is the point in lying about how you feel about your county to just so you can be the first say "I warned you all" if we happen to lose in the semi final. People seem to forget that this is a semi final of a knock out competition of considerable quality so it would hardly be beyond the realms of possibility if Mayo or Dublin were to be caught out.
It is pretty obvious that people in this country put a lot of stock in being cute (e.g playing down the prospects of your team) as if this is some brilliant tactic to fool an opponent when in fact it is a default position to prevent yourself from sticking your head above the parapet for fear of being proven wrong. If I were a Tyrone fan I would be confident of a possible victory as long as the team is set up correctly as a result of the successes of the last decade(due to the confidence and experience this brings) and Tyrone could very well dominate and dictate the game to win by a relatively comfortable margin of 3 or 4 points due to this Mayo team failing to live with the pressure of having to retrieve a game in the last quarter. Expect immediately a Mayo poster to think what an arrogant statement, rolling out the tired old cliche that Mayo bottle it in Croke park when in fact if you look at the fact that Mayo haven't been behind in the second half let alone the last quarter of a game this championship to date , why would this scenario be outlandish to the Mayo fan. Also if Mayo get a lightning start and win by ten plus points would anyone be really shocked after what happened in their four previous games. So where does all this accusations of arrogance and worship of the "beal bocht " come from?
Personally I think it's part and parcel ( a bad part ) of our character as a nation just like being compulsive/widely emotional is part and parcel of the character of a Mayoman/Mayowomen so please don't throw up a quote from a local paper ( Mayo or Tyrone) by some local expert (Padraic O' Malley or Adrian Logan) as some kind of beacon as to how either Mickey Harte or James Horan and their players will approach this game mentally or as a measure of the respect either sets of fans have towards each county. Also it would be nice if fans from both sides could give a genuine opinion as to why the think their county will win or lose this match without resorting to trying to be" cute" for fear of reprisal! To quote the great Mickey Harte " a man how never made a mistake , never made anything at all".
Would Mayo v Dublin be a final pairing that would be good for football? Well as a fan of the Gaa if my own county isn't in the final I would watch the final to be entertained. Does the football have to be free flowing and high scoring to do this? Well for me no and who is to say that such a match up wouldn't be cagey and defensive? I am sure a lot of people would be satisfied with a Kerry Mayo final as wondering can Mayo seek revenge for past annihilation's at the hands of the Kingdom or will it be another case of car crash TV? Wouldn't Dublin Tyrone be interesting with the grizzly veterans of Gormely , O'Neill , Cavanagh and Harte against the young upstarts of McCaffrey , Kilkenny , Mannion and Gavin? Lastly who wouldn't want to see the war that would be Kerry Tyrone which could possibly put the who was the greatest argument to bed ( well for a little while at least)?
You mean the 'greatest argument' all these years was would an almost entirely different Tyrone team beat a bunch of old and slow Kerry legends? That boat sailed out of the harbour a long time ago. The counties still hate each other, of course.
Are you willing to put every penny you have on say Mayo if we meet Kerry in the final? ;D
If by some miricle the Dublin team all contract a superbug or two, yes, I'd put everything I own on Mayo kicking that Kerry team around like an old football.
At least Tyrone have a smidge of hope in trying to rugby tackle ye to death. Gooch isn't going to be pulling down AOS anytime soon.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2013, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 13, 2013, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
On this day 1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6
Remember it vividly.
Aftermath in Mayo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_T7Znq7VA4
Great video :)
The shtate of the roads and cars!
Look at them with their flags and all, rubbing it in after beating Tyrone. Sickening arrogance! Hope we can do it for the '89 boys - Unfinished Business!! ;D
C'mere me bucko, houl' yer horses right there!
Where do you see anything about Tyrone in that video?
Ye were past history at that stage. Sure doesn't the video caption tell it all?
It doesn't refer to Tyrone or a semi final of any sort, does it?
FFS, them flags were up since ye won the Ulster title, and they were up for the final in case you didn't notice!!
There was just one reference, and it was only a half-arsed one at that, that sorta mentioned the game against you shower at all. You'll find it around 1.40 in the video.
"Mayo well done. Good luck in Croke Park."
That's what we thought of youse then and that's what we think of youse now!
So there! ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
After the AI final last year I met a lot of very dejected and even embarrassed Mayo fans in Jurys hotel. Most didn't even want to talk about the match or hear any of my sympathy for them which was understandable. They've had that feeling much too often and fair play to them for being able to get back up on the horse and ride on again.
They sure gave Donegal a real hiding and looked on top all over the field and on that performance you would imagine they'll beat any team that gets in there way.
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
I think Tyrone will frustrate Mayo much more than they think and they will find it much harder to get scores than in previous games. I don't think we will have the forwards to win the game and so it depends again on how well Sean Cavanagh is contained.
On a different note, strangely part of me would be happy enough should we not get to the final this year as I know the build up to the final will be quite anti Tyrone and our negative cynical style. Everyone wants a Mayo v Dublin final I think with football being the winner which will bring an end to the Donegal/Ulster style of rugby league style of game. Whether that happens or not next year we'll have to wait to see.
It will be interesting to see how defensive Kerry set up against such a fast flowing Dublin outfit.
Your easily annoyed. I couldn't care what they write if Tyrone get to the final. If anything it makes it all the sweeter to go on and win it.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2013, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 13, 2013, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
On this day 1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6
Remember it vividly.
Aftermath in Mayo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_T7Znq7VA4
Great video :)
The shtate of the roads and cars!
Look at them with their flags and all, rubbing it in after beating Tyrone. Sickening arrogance! Hope we can do it for the '89 boys - Unfinished Business!! ;D
C'mere me bucko, houl' yer horses right there!
Where do you see anything about Tyrone in that video?
Ye were past history at that stage. Sure doesn't the video caption tell it all?
It doesn't refer to Tyrone or a semi final of any sort, does it?
FFS, them flags were up since ye won the Ulster title, and they were up for the final in case you didn't notice!!
There was just one reference, and it was only a half-arsed one at that, that sorta mentioned the game against you shower at all. You'll find it around 1.40 in the video.
"Mayo well done. Good luck in Croke Park."
That's what we thought of youse then and that's what we think of youse now!
So there! ;D
Boys swanning around Castlebar wearing green and red hats (4.54)? Parents forcing kids to wear the full kit into town, even though its plainly too small (5.22)? How do you explain that behaviour? If that's not losing the run of yourselves, well then I don't know what is!
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
After the AI final last year I met a lot of very dejected and even embarrassed Mayo fans in Jurys hotel. Most didn't even want to talk about the match or hear any of my sympathy for them which was understandable. They've had that feeling much too often and fair play to them for being able to get back up on the horse and ride on again.
They sure gave Donegal a real hiding and looked on top all over the field and on that performance you would imagine they'll beat any team that gets in there way.
However, compare their fans confidence with that of most sensible Dublin fans and you get a very different picture. Dublin all year have also been putting up big scores and winning matches quite easily but there is a worry they will be caught out. Of course Kerry are always a worry for the Dubs but I am just amazed how the Mayo fans, who have suffered such pain over the years seem to believe Sam is already theirs this year.
Usually if you haven't won it for a large number of years you tend to keep yer head down and say nothing until you actually do win it. See Heffo & Co before 2011.
I think Tyrone will frustrate Mayo much more than they think and they will find it much harder to get scores than in previous games. I don't think we will have the forwards to win the game and so it depends again on how well Sean Cavanagh is contained.
On a different note, strangely part of me would be happy enough should we not get to the final this year as I know the build up to the final will be quite anti Tyrone and our negative cynical style. Everyone wants a Mayo v Dublin final I think with football being the winner which will bring an end to the Donegal/Ulster style of rugby league style of game. Whether that happens or not next year we'll have to wait to see.
It will be interesting to see how defensive Kerry set up against such a fast flowing Dublin outfit.
I think as a Mayoman I find it better to embrace the occasion and be confident in the team. We have made it to an All Ireland semi final playing the best football from a Mayo team that I can ever remember. Personally I like to enjoy following this team and if asked whether I think this team can win the All Ireland I tell the truth and answer yes. If we get beaten by Tyrone then so be it and there is no shame in been beaten by a county that was probably the team of the last decade but I am not going to keep the head down look at the ground murmuring I don't know if asked where I think this current Mayo team are at. We have failed so many times before at this stage we have nothing to fear from failure as fans so in my opinion it is better to hope and dream rather than hide and try a deflect from a potential failure. What is the point in lying about how you feel about your county to just so you can be the first say "I warned you all" if we happen to lose in the semi final. People seem to forget that this is a semi final of a knock out competition of considerable quality so it would hardly be beyond the realms of possibility if Mayo or Dublin were to be caught out.
It is pretty obvious that people in this country put a lot of stock in being cute (e.g playing down the prospects of your team) as if this is some brilliant tactic to fool an opponent when in fact it is a default position to prevent yourself from sticking your head above the parapet for fear of being proven wrong. If I were a Tyrone fan I would be confident of a possible victory as long as the team is set up correctly as a result of the successes of the last decade(due to the confidence and experience this brings) and Tyrone could very well dominate and dictate the game to win by a relatively comfortable margin of 3 or 4 points due to this Mayo team failing to live with the pressure of having to retrieve a game in the last quarter. Expect immediately a Mayo poster to think what an arrogant statement, rolling out the tired old cliche that Mayo bottle it in Croke park when in fact if you look at the fact that Mayo haven't been behind in the second half let alone the last quarter of a game this championship to date , why would this scenario be outlandish to the Mayo fan. Also if Mayo get a lightning start and win by ten plus points would anyone be really shocked after what happened in their four previous games. So where does all this accusations of arrogance and worship of the "beal bocht " come from?
Personally I think it's part and parcel ( a bad part ) of our character as a nation just like being compulsive/widely emotional is part and parcel of the character of a Mayoman/Mayowomen so please don't throw up a quote from a local paper ( Mayo or Tyrone) by some local expert (Padraic O' Malley or Adrian Logan) as some kind of beacon as to how either Mickey Harte or James Horan and their players will approach this game mentally or as a measure of the respect either sets of fans have towards each county. Also it would be nice if fans from both sides could give a genuine opinion as to why the think their county will win or lose this match without resorting to trying to be" cute" for fear of reprisal! To quote the great Mickey Harte " a man how never made a mistake , never made anything at all".
Would Mayo v Dublin be a final pairing that would be good for football? Well as a fan of the Gaa if my own county isn't in the final I would watch the final to be entertained. Does the football have to be free flowing and high scoring to do this? Well for me no and who is to say that such a match up wouldn't be cagey and defensive? I am sure a lot of people would be satisfied with a Kerry Mayo final as wondering can Mayo seek revenge for past annihilation's at the hands of the Kingdom or will it be another case of car crash TV? Wouldn't Dublin Tyrone be interesting with the grizzly veterans of Gormely , O'Neill , Cavanagh and Harte against the young upstarts of McCaffrey , Kilkenny , Mannion and Gavin? Lastly who wouldn't want to see the war that would be Kerry Tyrone which could possibly put the who was the greatest argument to bed ( well for a little while at least)?
I think this Mayo team has the foundations right. Build-up since 2010. Progress every year. Some great players moulded in the biggest matches of the year. More thorough preparation.
Tyrone on the other hand are at least a year behind. They'll be like the Crete Boom, immobile, with the Moy flowing past it on Sunday.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2013, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 13, 2013, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
On this day 1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6
Remember it vividly.
Aftermath in Mayo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_T7Znq7VA4
Great video :)
The shtate of the roads and cars!
Look at them with their flags and all, rubbing it in after beating Tyrone. Sickening arrogance! Hope we can do it for the '89 boys - Unfinished Business!! ;D
C'mere me bucko, houl' yer horses right there!
Where do you see anything about Tyrone in that video?
Ye were past history at that stage. Sure doesn't the video caption tell it all?
It doesn't refer to Tyrone or a semi final of any sort, does it?
FFS, them flags were up since ye won the Ulster title, and they were up for the final in case you didn't notice!!
There was just one reference, and it was only a half-arsed one at that, that sorta mentioned the game against you shower at all. You'll find it around 1.40 in the video.
"Mayo well done. Good luck in Croke Park."
That's what we thought of youse then and that's what we think of youse now!
So there! ;D
Boys swanning around Castlebar wearing green and red hats (4.54)? Parents forcing kids to wear the full kit into town, even though its plainly too small (5.22)? How do you explain that behaviour? If that's not losing the run of yourselves, well then I don't know what is!
You are dead right. Of course they were.
But I don't see any gloating anywhere directed at Tyrone or anyone else for that matter.
What's wrong anyway with people letting 'er rip when their team does well?
We're not from Meath, are we?
We don't line the streets of every town and village to pelt heads of cabbage and turnips at the Cavan supporters returned home after their first appearance in Croker for donkey's years.
What about the sheep shaggers who, through the capriciousness of |Providence, we are forced to live beside?
Them hoors lined the streets of Strokestown to bollack and barrack the Mayo supporters returning home after doing the business against Donegal. Well, that's no gloating I suppose since we had no misfortune for them to gloat over. Begrudgery is just as bad and that's the middle name of every ewe's son in that god-forsaken place.
Puerile vices like such form no part of the Mayo psyche.
The flags you're moaning about were up for the final. They had been flying for a long time before Tyrone were pushed aside. Nothing wrong with showing your support for your own side and refraining from passing any comments on matches that are over and out of the way, is there?
BTW, I think you should calm down and consider the sage comments of an accomplished master in the disciplines of winduppery and whataboutery.
You'll find them here at #425.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=23553.420 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=23553.420)
Enjoy!
So is general Mayo apery outlawed for this meeting with Tyrone because I have a ton of green and red paint wasting away in the shed? :o
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 03:37:19 PM
So is general Mayo apery outlawed for this meeting with Tyrone because I have a ton of green and red paint wasting away in the shed? :o
That's right - don't follow the crazy antics of your county folk in 1989. I'd blame them for the outlandish behaviour that has engulfed the county every time they've had a sniff of success since.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2013, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 03:37:19 PM
So is general Mayo apery outlawed for this meeting with Tyrone because I have a ton of green and red paint wasting away in the shed? :o
That's right - don't follow the crazy antics of your county folk in 1989. I'd blame them for the outlandish behaviour that has engulfed the county every time they've had a sniff of success since.
I suppose I could give the auld 135 a spruce up but it might have to get green wheels instead of silver (cut backs and all that craic). Surely this wouldn't be considered apery but just good tractor maintenance? :D
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2013, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 13, 2013, 03:37:19 PM
So is general Mayo apery outlawed for this meeting with Tyrone because I have a ton of green and red paint wasting away in the shed? :o
That's right - don't follow the crazy antics of your county folk in 1989. I'd blame them for the outlandish behaviour that has engulfed the county every time they've had a sniff of success since.
I suppose I could give the auld 135 a spruce up but it might have to get green wheels instead of silver (cut backs and all that craic). Surely this wouldn't be considered apery but just good tractor maintenance? :D
I think that would be acceptable! ;)
Quote from: seafoid on August 13, 2013, 02:37:29 PM
I think this Mayo team has the foundations right. Build-up since 2010. Progress every year. Some great players moulded in the biggest matches of the year. More thorough preparation.
Tyrone on the other hand are at least a year behind. They'll be like the Crete Boom, immobile, with the Moy flowing past it on Sunday.
The Crete Boom is made out of concrete though seafoid which like Tyrone ain't that easy to break down but I prefer your analogy though :D.
Picked this up in Westport last week. Un-fcukin-believable.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3775/9501672453_0c74f2cbb2.jpg)
Nauseating, nauseating arrogance! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 06:11:26 PM
Picked this up in Westport last week. Un-fcukin-believable.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3775/9501672453_0c74f2cbb2.jpg)
I suppose there was a free green and red paper hat with the paper!
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 06:11:26 PM
Picked this up in Westport last week. Un-fcukin-believable.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3775/9501672453_0c74f2cbb2.jpg)
Unbelievable is right, sure Sunday the 11th was only 2 days ago.
I couldn't work out if it was green and red or red and green.
Maurice Deegan has got the nod for this one.
He wouldn't screw you over again would he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1v3-z7Rb8
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2013, 06:11:26 PM
Picked this up in Westport last week. Un-fcukin-believable.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3775/9501672453_0c74f2cbb2.jpg)
What paper is this , there are so many Sunday papers in Westport.
How can we work this lad?
GAA.ie spoke to Maurice Deegan today about the new rules that were recently adopted in Gaelic Football. Deegan, from Stradbally in Co. Laois, is considered to be one of the best inter-county referees, and took charge of the 2012 All-Ireland football final between Mayo and Donegal.
GAA.ie: Lots of new rules were adopted at the recent GAA Congress in Derry. Do referees see rule changes as an inconvenience or as a positive move for the game?
Maurice Deegan: I think it's very positive for the game. As you know everyone is talking about the five famous black card rules that are coming in, but people just want to get on and play football at the end of the day and the only way to do that is to try and clean up the game. The only way to do that is to take out all this deliberate fouling that has crept into the game over the last year or two. Penalising a guy for pulling down a player is a no-brainer. If a player deliberately pulls another guy down it's an automatic black card. It's the same with remonstrating with a referee or match official. They are very simple rules.
I know there could be a problem from a player's point of view. They are wary that referees might have different interpretations of a black card, but the word I would like to stress is 'deliberate'. Deliberate is an important word here because two fellas can go for a ball and one player can collide with the other and fall down accidentally. If he takes him out accidentally then it's a different scenario altogether.
GAA.ie: Do you feel that the rules as they stood failed to deal with some of the deliberate fouling that will now lead to a black card?
MD: I felt that some of the penalties weren't strong enough which is why they had to bring in two or three of the black card ones. Things like the deliberate pull-down had crept into the game a lot and it was important to try and get rid of that. Hopefully the new rules will allow us to do that now.
GAA.ie: Are you satisfied that the various new rules are clear-cut and will be easily implemented by referees?
MD: From a referee's point of view they are very easy. As regards the black card, I have no issues at all. I think the time thing (public clock) will take an awful lot of pressure off players, referees and spectators. Everyone knows where they stand. You won't have this thing that is sometimes said off the record, 'he played for a draw'. What you have now is very clear-cut and you can see exactly what is happening.
GAA.ie: Does removing the responsibility for timing games from referees by introducing a public clock relieve referees of a lot of pressure?
MD: I think it has to. It's so simple now with the public clock. It works well in other sports and I'd be in favour of anything that helps referees do their job.
GAA.ie: Was there any other rule you would like to have seen brought in, and were you disappointed to see some of the new rules failed to get the necessary support at Congress?
MD: I would like to have seen the 30-metre advantage rule brought in. It's another thing that is creeping into the game – players moving the ball forward. They're moving the ball forward all the time. The punishment as it stands of moving the ball forward 13 metres is of no consequence. If you move a ball forward 30 metres you are killing a team straight away. It's 50 metres in the AFL and it works well.
Really and truly it's about getting players' mindset right. If they see the ball is going to be moved forward 30 metres they will think twice about standing in front of a free-taker to slow up the game. We want to keep the game flowing and sell it all over the world as much as we can. The only way we can do that is to bring in rules like this. However, you can't get them all in.
GAA.ie: Would you envisage any issues for referees implementing the black card rule in club games and at lower levels of the game?
MD: I work with young referees in Laois. That's the age you have to introduce the new rules to referees. I can see the argument that is out there that club referees might be more lenient, but a lot depends on how county administrators push it. These are all volunteers out there pushing it and trying to sell the game as much as they can so that it's a good spectacle for everyone around the country. Whether it's in Skibbereen, Stradbally or Omagh, if all the club referees are singing off the same hymn sheet it should be fine.
Club referees look up to inter-county referees who are on the telly every week, and if he is being seen to follow through on all these rules then it will filter down. But you have to start with the very young referees as well, and you have to give them the initiative by encouraging them to do what we need them to do.
GAA.ie: Is it important now that all referees are properly educated on the new rules ahead of the implementation of the majority of them on January 1, 2014?
MD: As inter-county referees, we do fitness tests and have meetings every month. The onus will be on the county administrators who look after referees and the provinces to push the process forward. They will go through all the rules that are coming in so that everyone is singing off the same hymn sheet. At the end of the day, all we all want is consistency. We have a long period to adjust ourselves both at club and at inter-county level.
Sides have fairly changed since that 2008 meeting.
Tyrone: J Devine; R McMenamin (0-01), J McMahon, C Gourley; D Harte (0-01), C Gormley, P Jordan; R Mellon, E McGinley (0-01); B Dooher (0-01), B McGuigan, T McGuigan (0-02, 0-02f); J McMahon, S Cavanagh (0-04, 0-01f), C McCullagh (0-02, 0-01f).
Subs used: C Holmes for Mellon, M Penrose (0-01) for B McGuigan (both 48 mins), D Carlin for Harte (54), O Mulligan for T McGuigan (68), D McCaul for McMenamin (70+4).
Mayo: D Clarke; K Higgins, T Cunniffe, T Howley; P Gardiner, J Nallen, A Higgins; D Heaney, T Parsons; A Moran, P Harte, BJ Padden (0-02); C Mortimer (1-04, 0-03f), A Dillon (0-03, 0-03f), A Kilcoyne.
Subs used: T Mortimer for Harte (half-time), A Campbell for Kilcoyne (56 mins), P Kelly for Howley (62), R McGarrity for Moran (63).
Anybody heard anything about Conor Gormley being banned?
Quote from: red hander on August 13, 2013, 09:11:31 PM
Anybody heard anything about Conor Gormley being banned?
Is he being given the elbow?
...ice burn 8)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2013, 12:30:58 PM
For me, the major worry is that Mayo won't play as well again. (I know Lar and the whole lot of you will say it's Farr's pessimism etc.) But I can't see them playing as well against Tyrone as they did the last day. Maybe I'm too caught up on previous teams etc, but to be entering a semi final as odds on favourites when the opposition is managed by Mickey Harte I can only hope the Mayo players remain grounded. If they do, we stand a great chance. If not, and it's level with 5 to go, then it's squeaky bum time.
Ah, c'mon Farr, don't be like that! ;D
For me, the main worry is that you'll have a breakdown right here on the board. The first proven case of cyber psychosis will be diagnosed and you'll wind up in that school for the bewildered that rosnarun is talking about.
Jeez, you and Barney would be well matched!
We're entering this game as odds on favourites because we deserve to be odds on favourites and there's nothing you or I can do about it.
It Karma, my young friend so take it in your stride.
(Okay, I'll hum a different tune if we manage to lose the effin' match but for the moment there's no point worrying about that slim possibility.)
NB
I'm a wee bit afraid that you're taking the crossfire here a bit too much to heart. Them Tyrone buckos are giving as good as they're getting and it's hard to know who is winding who up at the moment.
But the craic is ninety and that's how it should be.
Conor hit with 1 month ban for his, 'get out of my face Dessie', strike last day out.
one of the tyrone fellas was sayin on sunday that gormley had heard nothin.
Logie and now Colm Cavanagh complaining about the lack of visible support in the county regarding flags/colour.
it says on teamtalkmag.com that he is suspended for mayo game. :(
Quote from: clarshack on August 13, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
it says on teamtalkmag.com that he is suspended for mayo game. :(
That's a major blow! I'd imagine Mickey is on the phone to Fergal Logan as we speak!
Quote from: clarshack on August 13, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
it says on teamtalkmag.com that he is suspended for mayo game. :(
The siege mentality will not need any further reinforcing.
Flip. He has been consistent at vital times this year.
Bollocks to that.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 13, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 13, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
it says on teamtalkmag.com that he is suspended for mayo game. :(
The siege mentality will not need any further reinforcing.
+1. But Gormley's box was way more blatant than Penrose's, in the sight line of an official and caught on TV. He would've been extremely lucky not to have been hit with some punishment.
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
I'm absolutely disgusted by that decision. The lack of consistency and bias by the CCC is again summed up by this decision. To watch it again in real time and call it a punch is pushing it in the extreme. He pushed his hand away with force. The big issue here is that counties aren't being treated equally. There have been numerous other incidents caught on camera throughout the championship that have been ignored. Why is this? What is the CCC guidance for using video evidence? They've yet to answer some pretty basic questions about when they use it and how they review games. To me it seems completely random. Paul Galvin was caught on camera punching earlier in the season. It was ignored. Why was he different to Gormley?
People can accuse Tyrone of many things but we do seem to be treated differently to everyone else when it come's to these issues. I'd love to have the statistics for the use of video evidence since 2003. Because we seem to be heavily penalised by it. All counties have to be treated the same for it to be fair. A few years ago McMenamin got the most random ban of 6 weeks for example that was never given to anyone else before just to make sure he missed more games.
I hope Tyrone appeal this and take it as far as they can. I'd love them to produce a video of other incidents and play it to the CCC along with Gormleys and ask them to explain what was different. I can see a highly motivated Tyrone team taking to the pitch next week. I hope they can shove this decision write back in the ccc's faces.
Quote from: TY14ED on August 13, 2013, 10:09:40 PM
Conor hit with 1 month ban for his, 'get out of my face Dessie', strike last day out.
fcukin ridiculous
Don't understand that one. Mone got hit by his own hand, twas as obvious as the nose on your face.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2013, 11:03:24 PM
I'm absolutely disgusted by that decision. The lack of consistency and bias by the CCC is again summed up by this decision. To watch it again in real time and call it a punch is pushing it in the extreme. He pushed his hand away with force. The big issue here is that counties aren't being treated equally. There have been numerous other incidents caught on camera throughout the championship that have been ignored. Why is this? What is the CCC guidance for using video evidence? They've yet to answer some pretty basic questions about when they use it and how they review games. To me it seems completely random. Paul Galvin was caught on camera punching earlier in the season. It was ignored. Why was he different to Gormley?
People can accuse Tyrone of many things but we do seem to be treated differently to everyone else when it come's to these issues. I'd love to have the statistics for the use of video evidence since 2003. Because we seem to be heavily penalised by it. All counties have to be treated the same for it to be fair. A few years ago McMenamin got the most random ban of 6 weeks for example that was never given to anyone else before just to make sure he missed more games.
I hope Tyrone appeal this and take it as far as they can. I'd love them to produce a video of other incidents and play it to the CCC along with Gormleys and ask them to explain what was different. I can see a highly motivated Tyrone team taking to the pitch next week. I hope they can shove this decision write back in the ccc's faces.
Thats almost as funny as , his face walked into his fist. Ffs
Quote from: larryin89 on August 13, 2013, 11:05:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2013, 11:03:24 PM
I'm absolutely disgusted by that decision. The lack of consistency and bias by the CCC is again summed up by this decision. To watch it again in real time and call it a punch is pushing it in the extreme. He pushed his hand away with force. The big issue here is that counties aren't being treated equally. There have been numerous other incidents caught on camera throughout the championship that have been ignored. Why is this? What is the CCC guidance for using video evidence? They've yet to answer some pretty basic questions about when they use it and how they review games. To me it seems completely random. Paul Galvin was caught on camera punching earlier in the season. It was ignored. Why was he different to Gormley?
People can accuse Tyrone of many things but we do seem to be treated differently to everyone else when it come's to these issues. I'd love to have the statistics for the use of video evidence since 2003. Because we seem to be heavily penalised by it. All counties have to be treated the same for it to be fair. A few years ago McMenamin got the most random ban of 6 weeks for example that was never given to anyone else before just to make sure he missed more games.
I hope Tyrone appeal this and take it as far as they can. I'd love them to produce a video of other incidents and play it to the CCC along with Gormleys and ask them to explain what was different. I can see a highly motivated Tyrone team taking to the pitch next week. I hope they can shove this decision write back in the ccc's faces.
Thats almost as funny as , his face walked into his fist. Ffs
Have you watched the video?
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 13, 2013, 11:05:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2013, 11:03:24 PM
I'm absolutely disgusted by that decision. The lack of consistency and bias by the CCC is again summed up by this decision. To watch it again in real time and call it a punch is pushing it in the extreme. He pushed his hand away with force. The big issue here is that counties aren't being treated equally. There have been numerous other incidents caught on camera throughout the championship that have been ignored. Why is this? What is the CCC guidance for using video evidence? They've yet to answer some pretty basic questions about when they use it and how they review games. To me it seems completely random. Paul Galvin was caught on camera punching earlier in the season. It was ignored. Why was he different to Gormley?
People can accuse Tyrone of many things but we do seem to be treated differently to everyone else when it come's to these issues. I'd love to have the statistics for the use of video evidence since 2003. Because we seem to be heavily penalised by it. All counties have to be treated the same for it to be fair. A few years ago McMenamin got the most random ban of 6 weeks for example that was never given to anyone else before just to make sure he missed more games.
I hope Tyrone appeal this and take it as far as they can. I'd love them to produce a video of other incidents and play it to the CCC along with Gormleys and ask them to explain what was different. I can see a highly motivated Tyrone team taking to the pitch next week. I hope they can shove this decision write back in the ccc's faces.
Thats almost as funny as , his face walked into his fist. Ffs
Mone was holding his hand, he pushed it away with force. There was no punch. Its the best way of describing what happened. The holding of the face by Mone when he clearly wasn't touched there by Penrose was as bad as anything that happened during the incident and no one has mentioned it.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
Again. Have you watched the video?
If Mone hadn't felt the compulsion to act the meddling p***k none of this would have materialised. Ridiculous, and here's hoping the TCB can portray the CCC for the jaundiced buffoons they are at times, a portrait that they'll richly deserve.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
So the CCC have been consistently using video evidence to issue retrospective punishments to attempted strikes throughout the championship? Out of interest where exactly did he hit him?
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
So why did the official not give him at red card at the time then?
Anyone got a link to the video. I remember thinking he would be in bother at the time but would like a closer look
Gormley is like a Belfast rioter.The knock on the door. A few weeks later has come.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
Again. Have you watched the video?
Every damn person here has.
I'm sick of people trying to deny a black and white situation just because it suits their team. If one of our lads did something as silly as that the last thing I'd be doing is making excuses for him.
Gormley plays on the edge, this time he went over the line. There is nothing more to this story.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
Again. Have you watched the video?
Every damn person here has.
I'm sick of people trying to deny a black and white situation just because it suits their team. If one of our lads did something as silly as that the last thing I'd be doing is making excuses for him.
Gormley plays on the edge, this time he went over the line. There is nothing more to this story.
Do you think its ok for the CCC to pick and choose when they use video evidence? There is no consistency whatsoever. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently to the rest of the country when using it?
If ever a player got his comeuppance.
A Cavan player swung back and slapped/punched after being fouled by Darren O'Sullivan. The name of the Cavan player involved escape me at the minute. I wonder will A retrospective ban be incured here?
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now. That's not to say a ban might happen.
I thought at the time Gormely was very lucky stay on. No surprise the CCC reviewed the incident as it was before Penrose being sent off.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now.
Totally irrelevant (according to their own rules). And Donegal's Eamonn Mc Gee?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now.
Totally irrelevant (according to their own rules). And Donegal's Eamonn Mc Gee?
Not following you on E. McGee
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2013, 11:09:29 PM
Mone was holding his hand, he pushed it away with force. There was no punch. Its the best way of describing what happened. The holding of the face by Mone when he clearly wasn't touched there by Penrose was as bad as anything that happened during the incident and no one has mentioned it.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:09:54 PM
If Mone hadn't felt the compulsion to act the meddling p***k none of this would have materialised. Ridiculous, and here's hoping the TCB can portray the CCC for the jaundiced buffoons they are at times, a portrait that they'll richly deserve.
Aye it's all Dessie's fault! ::) Fcuk me you Tyronies can be some whingebags. The two boys were stupid and shouldn't have rose to it, I'd have thought two experienced players like them wouldn't be so stupid, especially right in front of all the officials.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 13, 2013, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now.
Totally irrelevant (according to their own rules). And Donegal's Eamonn Mc Gee?
Not following you on E. McGee
Gormley misses the next game, Mc Gee won't.
Quote from: Schkite on August 13, 2013, 11:42:36 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:09:54 PM
If Mone hadn't felt the compulsion to act the meddling p***k none of this would have materialised. Ridiculous, and here's hoping the TCB can portray the CCC for the jaundiced buffoons they are at times, a portrait that they'll richly deserve.
Aye it's all Dessie's fault! ::) Fcuk me you Tyronies can be some whingebags. The two boys were stupid and shouldn't have rose to it, I'd have thought two experienced players like them wouldn't be so stupid, especially right in front of all the officials.
What did he run over for? Yeah, he acted the meddling p***k.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: Schkite on August 13, 2013, 11:42:36 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:09:54 PM
If Mone hadn't felt the compulsion to act the meddling p***k none of this would have materialised. Ridiculous, and here's hoping the TCB can portray the CCC for the jaundiced buffoons they are at times, a portrait that they'll richly deserve.
Aye it's all Dessie's fault! ::) Fcuk me you Tyronies can be some whingebags. The two boys were stupid and shouldn't have rose to it, I'd have thought two experienced players like them wouldn't be so stupid, especially right in front of all the officials.
What did he run over for? Yeah, he acted the meddling p***k.
Every county has players who do that, no point in saying otherwise. Doesn't mean Penrose and Gormley were wise to get involved, it's stupid anywhere but in front of all the officials it's simply brainless.
Clinker of a punch I have to say.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
Again. Have you watched the video?
Every damn person here has.
I'm sick of people trying to deny a black and white situation just because it suits their team. If one of our lads did something as silly as that the last thing I'd be doing is making excuses for him.
Gormley plays on the edge, this time he went over the line. There is nothing more to this story.
away out of it. What has promised to be a great championship has been hijacked by a swirl of sanctimonious shitehawks-fans,pundits,and cccc members who are ruining the game from the inside out-black card will reinforce this. There will be plenty more about this. If you can't see how unfair it is then, i'm afraid your sense of reason is none existent or heavily biased.
Quote from: Schkite on August 14, 2013, 12:02:27 AM
Every county has players who do that, no point in saying otherwise. Doesn't mean Penrose and Gormley were wise to get involved, it's stupid anywhere but in front of all the officials it's simply brainless.
I'm not saying they were wise, though Gormley was
not sanctioned at the time even though it
was in front of the officials!? So what did they miss that the CCC have subsequently (and selectively) detected?
Any player who runs over as Mone did to involve himself and whinge and bleat to the ref is a meddling p***k, regardless of county.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now.
Totally irrelevant (according to their own rules). And Donegal's Eamonn Mc Gee?
Unless Kerry made a complaint then its not much of a talking point. Lot of handbag incidents goes on during games. If it was bunch O Sullivan would have went to the ground.
Gormley was at the Centre of attention in front of the referee..
GAA HQ Hit Tyrone With Even Further Sanctions. Aughabrack To Represent County Against Mayo.
Despite founded allegations of an anti-Tyrone vibe emanating from the GAA hierarchy this year, the Red Hands have been hit with a further sanction with the news that the county side must step down and be replaced with an entire Aughabrack side.
Bans for Penrose and Gormley coupled with a media witch-hunt in recent weeks have seen tempers simmering but today's news has left the county reeling. Local Aughabrack wrestler, Barney McGill, reckons it poses a few problems:
"This is some handlin. Sure we haven't played together as a club since 1996. Rounding up 15 lads on the morning of the 25th will be some operation. The wemen have a big role here. They need to keep their men in the house on Saturday night before the game. Mayo boys like Aidan O'Shea wouldn't be out slapping stout into him 15 hours before the game."
McGill reckons the average age of the side will hit 49 with the entire full back line aged 71, 66 and 59 respectively.
"Ach it'll be great getting out from the Sperrins as ten of us haven't been as far as Dunnamanagh. We'll be able to take home spices and stuff from Dublin. I hear this Mayo side are good but we hold no fear. Don't forget the slaughtering we gave Owen Roes in 1988. I'm just wondering – who has the jerseys?"
The GAA have refused to reveal why this latest sanction has occurred but warned Tyrone that 'there'll be more of where that came from if we hear any more yappin'.
On the plus side, Brian Dooher will be making a comeback even though his years of service has left him bent double and using a stair lift for any upwards movement.
http://tyronetribulations.com/2013/08/13/gaa-hq-hit-tyrone-with-even-further-sanctions-aughabrack-to-represent-county-against-mayo/
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now.
Totally irrelevant (according to their own rules). And Donegal's Eamonn Mc Gee?
Unless Kerry made a complaint then its not much of a talking point. Lot of handbag incidents goes on during games. If it was bunch O Sullivan would have went to the ground.
Gormley was at the Centre of attention in front of the referee..
Again, totally irrelevant, and you don't know that O'Sullivan would have gone to ground, that's not in the rules either (whether he would have or not).
See previous about Gormley, the CCC can now very selectively subsequently detect what the officials miss right under their noses!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now.
Totally irrelevant (according to their own rules). And Donegal's Eamonn Mc Gee?
Unless Kerry made a complaint then its not much of a talking point. Lot of handbag incidents goes on during games. If it was bunch O Sullivan would have went to the ground.
Gormley was at the Centre of attention in front of the referee..
Again, totally irrelevant, and you don't know that O'Sullivan would have gone to ground, that's not in the rules either (whether he would have or not).
See previous about Gormley, the CCC can now very selectively subsequently detect what the officials miss right under their noses!
It wasn't even a talking point by any of the Kerry fans at the game. Did they discuss it in the Sunday Game?, or again Am I being totally irrelevant?. If they did a ban might happen, if not, then didn't think it was big deal.
Gormely acts the hard man all the time , its not about being selective. its about him being stupid and not having the cop on to control his temper.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 12:22:51 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
Cavan aren't playing in a All Ireland Semi so not in the limelight as much as Tyrone would be now.
Totally irrelevant (according to their own rules). And Donegal's Eamonn Mc Gee?
Unless Kerry made a complaint then its not much of a talking point. Lot of handbag incidents goes on during games. If it was bunch O Sullivan would have went to the ground.
Gormley was at the Centre of attention in front of the referee..
Again, totally irrelevant, and you don't know that O'Sullivan would have gone to ground, that's not in the rules either (whether he would have or not).
See previous about Gormley, the CCC can now very selectively subsequently detect what the officials miss right under their noses!
It wasn't even a talking point by any of the Kerry fans at the game. Did they discuss it in the Sunday Game?, or again Am I being totally irrelevant?. If they didm a ban might happen, if not, then didn't think it was big deal.
Gormely acts the hard man all the time , its not about being selective. its and him being stupid and not having the cop on to control his temper.
So decisions are made by the CCC based on whether they are talked about on the Sunday Game? I don't think your getting the point here at all. Sure Gormley deserves it for "acting the hard man all the time"! ::)
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 12:22:51 AM
It wasn't even a talking point by any of the Kerry fans at the game. Did they discuss it in the Sunday Game?, or again Am I being totally irrelevant?. If they did a ban might happen, if not, then didn't think it was big deal.
Gormely acts the hard man all the time , its not about being selective. its about him being stupid and not having the cop on to control his temper.
The Sunday Game (or Kerry fans) is not the sole arbiter of the CCC's regulatory jurisdiction, it's not
even an arbiter.
Again, tell me what the CCC have picked up on that the the officials both missed, since whatever Gormley did was right under their noses?
It does look like the ref missed it first time.
Any apathy within the county should disappear now.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 12:08:24 AM
Quote from: Schkite on August 14, 2013, 12:02:27 AM
Every county has players who do that, no point in saying otherwise. Doesn't mean Penrose and Gormley were wise to get involved, it's stupid anywhere but in front of all the officials it's simply brainless.
I'm not saying they were wise, though Gormley was not sanctioned at the time even though it was in front of the officials!? So what did they miss that the CCC have subsequently (and selectively) detected?
Any player who runs over as Mone did to involve himself and whinge and bleat to the ref is a meddling p***k, regardless of county.
I don't see what that has to do with Dessie though, not his fault it wasn't either dealt with at the time, or the fact that it's been brought back up now. He may have been meddling alright, but as I say that stuff goes on all the time, two seasoned players like them should have kept the head. If Dessie did go in solely to meddle and act the pest then it worked and the boys rose to the bait. (And yes I know it matters little to Monaghan now given Tyrone won anyway)
Gormley is Tyrone best defender a huge blow for them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2013, 01:02:22 AM
Gormley is Tyrone best defender a huge blow for them.
Better than Super Joe? Gormley sets the tempo for Tyrone alright. Huge loss but I don't think it'll effect the result either way.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 13, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
If ever a player got his comeuppance.
I see you hail from Mr Brollys County.....an seems your also a little jealous of the "rattle" of Conors Celtic Crosses in his pocket!
Love to know what you think your Derry nos 5 or 6 from 1993 would have done in Sean Cavanaghs situation or even Conor Gormleys?
I will reserve judgement on the issue when we see the stats on the CCC's usage of Video evidence and how many have been punished or escaped.
Id say Tyrones "friends" in the RTE just couldnt wait to hand over the video to the CCC, considering theres little communication or co operation from the Tyrone GAA in relation to the media ban.
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:29:18 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 13, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
If ever a player got his comeuppance.
I see you hail from Mr Brollys County.....an seems your also a little jealous of the "rattle" of Conors Celtic Crosses in his pocket!
Love to know what you think your Derry nos 5 or 6 from 1993 would have done in Sean Cavanaghs situation or even Conor Gormleys?
I will reserve judgement on the issue when we see the stats on the CCC's usage of Video evidence and how many have been punished or escaped.
Id say Tyrones "friends" in the RTE just couldnt wait to hand over the video to the CCC, considering theres little communication or co operation from the Tyrone GAA in relation to the media ban.
P.S. No matter what is said or happens Sunday week...its still great to be Flying the flag for Ulster Football in the last 4
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:29:18 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 13, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
If ever a player got his comeuppance.
I see you hail from Mr Brollys County.....an seems your also a little jealous of the "rattle" of Conors Celtic Crosses in his pocket!
Love to know what you think your Derry nos 5 or 6 from 1993 would have done in Sean Cavanaghs situation or even Conor Gormleys?
I will reserve judgement on the issue when we see the stats on the CCC's usage of Video evidence and how many have been punished or escaped.
Id say Tyrones "friends" in the RTE just couldnt wait to hand over the video to the CCC, considering theres little communication or co operation from the Tyrone GAA in relation to the media ban.
P.S. No matter what is said or happens Sunday week...its still great to be Flying the flag for Ulster Football in the last 4
Do you want the cross to martyr yourself on delivered to your home address or the Tyrone centre of excellence?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2013, 11:09:54 PM
If Mone hadn't felt the compulsion to act the meddling p***k none of this would have materialised. Ridiculous, and here's hoping the TCB can portray the CCC for the jaundiced buffoons they are at times, a portrait that they'll richly deserve.
Ah, c'mon Fear,
If me auntie had you-know-what she'd be me you-know-who.
Mone may be a " meddling p***k."In fact he could be the biggest toolbox in the history of the game but I can't believe he'd launch an unprovoked attack on Penrose's fist with his gob.
I've looked at the video and I wasn't totally convinced but, after looking at the animated gifs, I don't know why anyone is denying that Penrose didn't deserve a red card.
Yup, Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved that other players in other matches didn't get a red card either there and then or after a CCC review but doesn't alter the fact that Penrose deserved what he got.
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:29:18 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 13, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
If ever a player got his comeuppance.
I see you hail from Mr Brollys County.....an seems your also a little jealous of the "rattle" of Conors Celtic Crosses in his pocket!
Love to know what you think your Derry nos 5 or 6 from 1993 would have done in Sean Cavanaghs situation or even Conor Gormleys?
I will reserve judgement on the issue when we see the stats on the CCC's usage of Video evidence and how many have been punished or escaped.
Id say Tyrones "friends" in the RTE just couldnt wait to hand over the video to the CCC, considering theres little communication or co operation from the Tyrone GAA in relation to the media ban.
P.S. No matter what is said or happens Sunday week...its still great to be Flying the flag for Ulster Football in the last 4
I think that's the most sensible post from any Tyronie who's given his opinion about the red cards.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
They took their time on that one. Get Tyrone stopped at all costs I doubt.
Yeah, lads. Nothing to do with him striking someone in full view of the officials and the cameras. There's no bloody conspiracy on this one, unless you feel aggrieved that the laws of the sport are being upheld?
Always good to see the 'laws of the sport' being upheld by CCCC, wonder what they were up to in this case when they rescinded this red card? Joke of a body.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:29:18 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 13, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
If ever a player got his comeuppance.
I see you hail from Mr Brollys County.....an seems your also a little jealous of the "rattle" of Conors Celtic Crosses in his pocket!
Love to know what you think your Derry nos 5 or 6 from 1993 would have done in Sean Cavanaghs situation or even Conor Gormleys?
I will reserve judgement on the issue when we see the stats on the CCC's usage of Video evidence and how many have been punished or escaped.
Id say Tyrones "friends" in the RTE just couldnt wait to hand over the video to the CCC, considering theres little communication or co operation from the Tyrone GAA in relation to the media ban.
P.S. No matter what is said or happens Sunday week...its still great to be Flying the flag for Ulster Football in the last 4
Whilst Mayo fly the flag for Mayo. Ye should really get over the whole Ulster thing, really does my head in, you're a county not a province.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2013, 11:09:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 13, 2013, 11:05:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2013, 11:03:24 PM
I'm absolutely disgusted by that decision. The lack of consistency and bias by the CCC is again summed up by this decision. To watch it again in real time and call it a punch is pushing it in the extreme. He pushed his hand away with force. The big issue here is that counties aren't being treated equally. There have been numerous other incidents caught on camera throughout the championship that have been ignored. Why is this? What is the CCC guidance for using video evidence? They've yet to answer some pretty basic questions about when they use it and how they review games. To me it seems completely random. Paul Galvin was caught on camera punching earlier in the season. It was ignored. Why was he different to Gormley?
People can accuse Tyrone of many things but we do seem to be treated differently to everyone else when it come's to these issues. I'd love to have the statistics for the use of video evidence since 2003. Because we seem to be heavily penalised by it. All counties have to be treated the same for it to be fair. A few years ago McMenamin got the most random ban of 6 weeks for example that was never given to anyone else before just to make sure he missed more games.
I hope Tyrone appeal this and take it as far as they can. I'd love them to produce a video of other incidents and play it to the CCC along with Gormleys and ask them to explain what was different. I can see a highly motivated Tyrone team taking to the pitch next week. I hope they can shove this decision write back in the ccc's faces.
Thats almost as funny as , his face walked into his fist. Ffs
Mone was holding his hand, he pushed it away with force. There was no punch. Its the best way of describing what happened. The holding of the face by Mone when he clearly wasn't touched there by Penrose was as bad as anything that happened during the incident and no one has mentioned it.
Yeah, Mone's reaction was a disgrace. Feigning injury to get the man sent off. That's what Joe Brolly should have been ranting about.
Quote from: TY14ED on August 13, 2013, 10:09:40 PM
Conor hit with 1 month ban for his, 'get out of my face Dessie', strike last day out.
I'd say Gormley must be delighted, sure he'd only be running around after the Mayo lads anyway, would probably be knackered by half time ;)
Seriously though, whatever about him deserving a ban, it's seems unfair that he alone was selected for retrospective punishment out of all the incidents that have happened over the summer - I don't think this has happened to anyone else this year??
Crazy as it sounds, I agree with the lads who say he pushed Mone's hand away and it looked like a punch.
Gormley and Tyrone are unlucky in this case. Saying Gormley has form (I would guess with just about every big county) is irrelevant as each case has to be dealt with on its own merits.
We tackle aggressively and could easily lose a man for a big game this way. If this happened to us we would not be happy.
I reckon Barry Mc Elduff should protest by surfing on a Police Landrover
This is a disgrace
Gormley pushed Mone, he pushed his hand back - nothing more.
Watch the incident. This kinda thing happens in every game, every week.
How can anyone watch that incident and say he punched.
Tyrone must appeal this.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 03:02:06 AM
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
Quote from: caraghtyrone on August 14, 2013, 01:29:18 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 13, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
If ever a player got his comeuppance.
I see you hail from Mr Brollys County.....an seems your also a little jealous of the "rattle" of Conors Celtic Crosses in his pocket!
Love to know what you think your Derry nos 5 or 6 from 1993 would have done in Sean Cavanaghs situation or even Conor Gormleys?
I will reserve judgement on the issue when we see the stats on the CCC's usage of Video evidence and how many have been punished or escaped.
Id say Tyrones "friends" in the RTE just couldnt wait to hand over the video to the CCC, considering theres little communication or co operation from the Tyrone GAA in relation to the media ban.
P.S. No matter what is said or happens Sunday week...its still great to be Flying the flag for Ulster Football in the last 4
Whilst Mayo fly the flag for Mayo. Ye should really get over the whole Ulster thing, really does my head in, you're a county not a province.
It's a myth. Derry men don't support Tyrone and vice versa. Cheers for the investigation btw. Come join us on the Derry board :)
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 14, 2013, 06:43:23 AM
This is a disgrace
Gormley pushed Mone, he pushed his hand back - nothing more.
Watch the incident. This kinda thing happens in every game, every week.
How can anyone watch that incident and say he punched.
Tyrone must appeal this.
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Quote from: shezam on August 14, 2013, 07:42:38 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 14, 2013, 06:43:23 AM
This is a disgrace
Gormley pushed Mone, he pushed his hand back - nothing more.
Watch the incident. This kinda thing happens in every game, every week.
How can anyone watch that incident and say he punched.
Tyrone must appeal this.
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Tyrone will appeal this and will win the appeal once again proving this system a joke.
Rule haven't changed since the diarmuid Connolly so I expect Gormley to be allowed to play. Anything else gives success to the media campaign this year started by an enthused brolly which he subsequently ran away from. It cannot be allowed to dictate who plays o all Ireland semi finals or as in previous cases finals.
i remember Miskella getting caught clear as day on camera in the 2009 semi final throwing punch at mcguigan and there was no chance of him getting suspended for the All ireland semi final.
what is the critera for reviewing video evidence of an incident?? is it just RTE that decide that?
Agree with the comment about the Connelly one a couple of years ago aswell, if the same rules are applied here, then this should be overturned.
However it seems that the same rules arent always applied depending who the offender is, and what side the media take
What amazes me is that a few lads sat down, watched this clip and then decided - yea, that's a one month ban.
Who are these men? Are their names known?
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2013, 08:22:50 AM
What amazes me is that a few lads sat down, watched this clip and then decided - yea, that's a one month ban.
Who are these men? Are their names known?
Was the chairman not a Tyrone man recently? Is he still there?
More importantly I'd like to know what there policy is for using video evidence. The counties deserve to know. Why was Paul Galvins punch in the Munster final ignored but Gormleys push was picked out? This is a victory for the anti Tyrone media war currently going on.
I assume it's a category 2 offence:
Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman, or Sideline Official: Striking or attempting to strike with hurley (minimal force); Kicking or attempting to kick (minimal Force); Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand or knee, Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent; Spitting at an opponent; Contributing to a melee.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 14, 2013, 08:26:51 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2013, 08:22:50 AM
What amazes me is that a few lads sat down, watched this clip and then decided - yea, that's a one month ban.
Who are these men? Are their names known?
Was the chairman not a Tyrone man recently? Is he still there?
More importantly I'd like to know what there policy is for using video evidence. The counties deserve to know. Why was Paul Galvins punch in the Munster final ignored but Gormleys push was picked out? This is a victory for the anti Tyrone media war currently going on.
Seamus Woods? He's finished now.
Was never one to agree with some of Tyrone's previous appeals, but I hope to f**k they appeal this joke of a decision.
Given the ban is only to be proposed, Gormley can take his case to the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) who will decide whether or not to uphold the one-match ban, and even after that Gormley can go to the Central Appeals Committee (CAC).
Im not letting myself get too wound up about this decision. Its a farce, and from looking at recent precedent id be fairly certain that Conor will be lining out come 3.30pm on August 25.
Quote from: muppet on August 14, 2013, 05:13:22 AM
Crazy as it sounds, I agree with the lads who say he pushed Mone's hand away and it looked like a punch.
Gormley and Tyrone are unlucky in this case. Saying Gormley has form (I would guess with just about every big county) is irrelevant as each case has to be dealt with on its own merits.
We tackle aggressively and could easily lose a man for a big game this way. If this happened to us we would not be happy.
As we both know muppet, strange things can happen in Mayo football but I've yet to see anyone attempt to push someone else with a closed fist aimed at the head.
Having said that, I think Tyrone have every right to appeal.
Penrose struck Mone and deserves his suspension.
Gormley pushed Mone away and Mone was struck by his own hand. It's no red card.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2013, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 14, 2013, 05:13:22 AM
Crazy as it sounds, I agree with the lads who say he pushed Mone's hand away and it looked like a punch.
Gormley and Tyrone are unlucky in this case. Saying Gormley has form (I would guess with just about every big county) is irrelevant as each case has to be dealt with on its own merits.
We tackle aggressively and could easily lose a man for a big game this way. If this happened to us we would not be happy.
As we both know muppet, strange things can happen in Mayo football but I've yet to see anyone attempt to push someone else with a closed fist aimed at the head.
Having said that, I think Tyrone have every right to appeal.
Firstly I don't see the closed fist here. Gormley is grasping Mone's hand at the start and his palm strikes Mone's shoulder. I don't see the closed fist or him aiming at his head.
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This is too lenient. All Tyrone players should be banned; everyone of them. They are all bound to be up to something.
From the video you can see Gormleys hand on Mones wrist, he then proceeds to push it away. There is no sign of a fist from Gormley, if anything the black glove makes it look like a fist.
I'm finding it very hard to watch that video and not say..."stop hitting yourself Dessie, stop hitting yourself"
He'll play on Sunday week IMO.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 14, 2013, 09:16:57 AM
From the video you can see Gormleys hand on Mones wrist, he then proceeds to push it away. There is no sign of a fist from Gormley, if anything the black glove makes it look like a fist.
Ho Li Fuk, I never thought of that!
You could well be right. ;D
Why did Mone not go away clutching his face after the Gormley incident as this seems to be his standard reaction to being punched?
Watch the black glove on Gormleys right hand.
Does it hit Dessie on the chin?
It does 100%.
It's the old 'push n punch' trick.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2013, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 14, 2013, 09:16:57 AM
From the video you can see Gormleys hand on Mones wrist, he then proceeds to push it away. There is no sign of a fist from Gormley, if anything the black glove makes it look like a fist.
Ho Li Fuk, I never thought of that!
You could well be right. ;D
Its quite obviously a strike or an attempted strike. Only tyrone supporters are unable to see that on here. He may get off on appeal but he deserves his one match ban.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 09:25:34 AM
Why did Mone not go away clutching his face after the Gormley incident as this seems to be his standard reaction to being punched?
Mone did not feign injury in this case. He was clearly punched twice. For tyrone people to complain about play acting is pretty pathetic given the antics of cavanagh, gormley et al.
Gormley has never done anything accidentally in his life.
I'd say if you walked into the incubator room a couple of hours after he was born, it would have been full of crying babies, with him staring angelically up at you as if to say, 'What? I didn't touch them.'
Would rather Tyrone have a full compliment and both teams go at it full tilt but Gormley knows exactly what he is doing here. You cannot grab Mone with the same hand you finish the movement with boxing his face with a closed fist. The linesman sees it all running in the little eejit.
The face on O'Neill is hilarious, oblivious to it all.
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2013, 09:29:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 09:25:34 AM
Why did Mone not go away clutching his face after the Gormley incident as this seems to be his standard reaction to being punched?
Mone did not feign injury in this case. He was clearly punched twice. For tyrone people to complain about play acting is pretty pathetic given the antics of cavanagh, gormley et al.
Where did I accuse him of feigning injury?? Penrose struck him and he reacted by clutching his face. If he was punched by Gormley, I'm just surprised his reaction wasn't he same. He doesn't flinch which maybe suggested that he didn't feel the need to feign injury for a push.
Makes no difference. Tyrone have done unbelievably well to make it to the last four. They will be hammered
Quote from: spuds on August 14, 2013, 09:32:03 AM
Would rather Tyrone have a full compliment and both teams go at it full tilt but Gormley knows exactly what he is doing here. You cannot grab Mone with the same hand you finish the movement with boxing his face with a closed fist. The linesman sees it all running in the little eejit.
The face on O'Neill is hilarious, oblivious to it all.
This is exactly the point - the linesman saw it and didn't feel it warranted any action. What have the CCC saw that was different?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 09:35:10 AM
Quote from: spuds on August 14, 2013, 09:32:03 AM
Would rather Tyrone have a full compliment and both teams go at it full tilt but Gormley knows exactly what he is doing here. You cannot grab Mone with the same hand you finish the movement with boxing his face with a closed fist. The linesman sees it all running in the little eejit.
The face on O'Neill is hilarious, oblivious to it all.
This is exactly the point - the linesman saw it and didn't feel it warranted any action. What have the CCC saw that was different?
A punch to the face that was not dealt with at the time.
A strike regardless of damage carries a penalty.
Gormley is one of those characters that is hard to like but is probably one of Tyrones 3 most important players even still. In this situation I think it is extremely harsh though and I would be surprised if its not overturned on appeal. The CCC must have decided they had seen little action this summer and needed to flex their muscles.
- Mone came racing over (completely needlessly), and went through Gormley to get whinging and bleating at the ref
- Gormley wasn't too happy about that (would you be?), and in a controlled fashion pushed Mone's flailing arms right back at him; his fist appeared to be closed at the end of that manoeuvre simply because of the grip he had of Mone's arm
- Mone didn't flinch, in stark contradistinction to moments later and his pathetic simulation after Penrose caught him on the shoulder
- The red mist descended on Penrose and he had to walk, not so with Gormley
- Can someone point me to the new rule that states it's possible for person A to strike person B with a part of person B's own body (even though it was a push, albeit a forceful push)?
- What have the CCC discerned that the officials missed, with Gormley, since it happened right under the officials' noses?
- Why has it taken one whole week for the CCC to issue their sanction (they viewed the 'evidence' on Tuesday 6th August, if I'm not mistaken)?
- Some of the viewers (hereon) of that video clip could do with a visit to Specsavers! :P
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2013, 09:29:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 09:25:34 AM
Why did Mone not go away clutching his face after the Gormley incident as this seems to be his standard reaction to being punched?
Mone did not feign injury in this case. He was clearly punched twice. For tyrone people to complain about play acting is pretty pathetic given the antics of cavanagh, gormley et al.
Penrose shoved Mone on the shoulder , after a delay,Mone turned around holding his face.
he certainly feigned injury.
Not defending Penroses stupidity for getting involved , but Mone made alot of it.
Conor was taken to a house in Eskragh. He was told that if he didn't box Dessie Mone in the face with his own hand (most annoying thing ever), his family would be forced to transfer to Errigal Ciarán. Under duress, Conor agreed. He had his phone taken off him, no access to facebook, and was transferred to Sligo where he toured Strandhill. It is here he met Martin Penrose for the first time. Martin has a similar story having been abucted to Carrickmore in the first place from Aghyaran. He also acted under duress. The pair then travelled together to Carton House where they met with the Tyrone team. The men were spotted acting suspiciously at half time in the All-Ireland quarter final and detained by the CCC. They appear relaxed, in good health and are confident the services of a high profile barrister will set them free.
Quote from: spuds on August 14, 2013, 09:39:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 09:35:10 AM
Quote from: spuds on August 14, 2013, 09:32:03 AM
Would rather Tyrone have a full compliment and both teams go at it full tilt but Gormley knows exactly what he is doing here. You cannot grab Mone with the same hand you finish the movement with boxing his face with a closed fist. The linesman sees it all running in the little eejit.
The face on O'Neill is hilarious, oblivious to it all.
This is exactly the point - the linesman saw it and didn't feel it warranted any action. What have the CCC saw that was different?
A punch to the face that was not dealt with at the time.
A strike regardless of damage carries a penalty.
But it was carried out straight in front of an official and according to people on here was a blatant punch so why wasn't it dealt with at the time? Did they think, ah sure, we'll let the CCC deal with that one or maybe they thought, it was just a push in the heat of the moment that can't be construed as a punch unless you have a personal dislike of the player (like most on here) or are following a media led agenda (like CCC)
This has been a long time coming for Gormley imo.............................however hes the type of lad you would like in the trenches with you and Id rather see him on the park against Mayo..................hope he appeals and gets it over turned
Mayos cards really falling into place for them though........................jesus if Horan could just loose that hat though
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
- Mone came racing over (completely needlessly), and went through Gormley to get whinging and bleating at the ref
- Gormley wasn't too happy about that (would you be?), and in a controlled fashion pushed Mone's flailing arms right back at him; his fist appeared to be closed at the end of that manoeuvre simply because of the grip he had of Mone's arm
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- Mone didn't flinch, in stark contradistinction to moments later and his pathetic simulation after Penrose caught him on the shoulder
- The red mist descended on Penrose and he had to walk, not so with Gormley
- Can someone point me to the new rule that states it's possible for person A to strike person B with a part of person B's own body (even though it was a push, albeit a forceful push)?
- What have the CCC discerned that the officials missed, with Gormley, since it happened right under the officials' noses?
- Why has it taken one whole week for the CCC to issue their sanction (they viewed the 'evidence' on Tuesday 6th August, if I'm not mistaken)?
- Some of the viewers (hereon) of that video clip could do with a visit to Specsavers! :P
In a controlled fashion no less :D
Time for Mayo posters to sit back and watch for a change!
Any chance ye Mayo buckos would loan us Cora Staunton?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 14, 2013, 09:57:21 AM
Time for Mayo posters to sit back and watch for a change!
The sheer arrogance of them Tyrone lads saying that they will get Gormley off regardless.
Quote from: spuds on August 14, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 14, 2013, 09:57:21 AM
Time for Mayo posters to sit back and watch for a change!
The sheer arrogance of them Tyrone lads saying that they will get Gormley off regardless.
They'll be happy enough to have himself and Penrose back for the final sure.
As Gormley struck wee Dessie, Statham style, Dooher went to ground clutching his face (mon Brian, get up lad, you're retired now)
This thread is good craic
:)
It's all falling into place for Mayo. The last time things went so well for someone was when God parted the Red Sea & let your man Moses lead his people through when it looked like they were going to get a thumping from the Egyptians.
It's pretty clear that he struck and I thought at the time him and Penrose should both go.
Having said that this 'retrospective' looking at isolated incidents isn't properly legislated and you can't be picking one incident and not another when clearly there have been incidents throughout the year in both hurling and football that could have resulted in bans when looking back on them.
I won't lose any sleep if the ban sticks because he deserves it but we don't have the system in place to do this properly and across the board yet!
Quote from: muppet on August 14, 2013, 05:13:22 AM
Crazy as it sounds, I agree with the lads who say he pushed Mone's hand away and it looked like a punch.
Gormley and Tyrone are unlucky in this case. Saying Gormley has form (I would guess with just about every big county) is irrelevant as each case has to be dealt with on its own merits.
We tackle aggressively and could easily lose a man for a big game this way. If this happened to us we would not be happy.
Pretty sure going Rocky Balboa on other players isn't Mayo or even Tyrone's definition of 'aggressive tackling', Mupp. If this happens to Mayo all the blame should fall on the player and no one else.
Both teams are controlled in their cynical play, probably two of the top three at it. What Gormley did was anything but controlled.
Hopefully the ban is increased in the result of a failed appeal, one of the worst things in the sport is all the frivolous appeals that go unpunished.
Dessie Mone must have been watching this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
- Mone came racing over (completely needlessly), and went through Gormley to get whinging and bleating at the ref
- Gormley wasn't too happy about that (would you be?), and in a controlled fashion pushed Mone's flailing arms right back at him; his fist appeared to be closed at the end of that manoeuvre simply because of the grip he had of Mone's arm
- Mone didn't flinch, in stark contradistinction to moments later and his pathetic simulation after Penrose caught him on the shoulder
- The red mist descended on Penrose and he had to walk, not so with Gormley
- Can someone point me to the new rule that states it's possible for person A to strike person B with a part of person B's own body (even though it was a push, albeit a forceful push)?
- What have the CCC discerned that the officials missed, with Gormley, since it happened right under the officials' noses?
- Why has it taken one whole week for the CCC to issue their sanction (they viewed the 'evidence' on Tuesday 6th August, if I'm not mistaken)?
- Some of the viewers (hereon) of that video clip could do with a visit to Specsavers! :P
Think you have been sitting up late at night readin old R.U.C. reports of incidents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3c4viNMNk Finnish Guy not happy with the decision on Gormley lad
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 12:28:25 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 12:22:51 AM
It wasn't even a talking point by any of the Kerry fans at the game. Did they discuss it in the Sunday Game?, or again Am I being totally irrelevant?. If they did a ban might happen, if not, then didn't think it was big deal.
Gormely acts the hard man all the time , its not about being selective. its about him being stupid and not having the cop on to control his temper.
The Sunday Game (or Kerry fans) is not the sole arbiter of the CCC's regulatory jurisdiction, it's not even an arbiter.
Again, tell me what the CCC have picked up on that the the officials both missed, since whatever Gormley did was right under their noses?
No idea, maybe the ref bottled it and only had the courage to send Penrose off. Big decision at the start of the second half. It was easier to review over all on CCC.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 12:28:25 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 12:22:51 AM
It wasn't even a talking point by any of the Kerry fans at the game. Did they discuss it in the Sunday Game?, or again Am I being totally irrelevant?. If they did a ban might happen, if not, then didn't think it was big deal.
Gormely acts the hard man all the time , its not about being selective. its about him being stupid and not having the cop on to control his temper.
The Sunday Game (or Kerry fans) is not the sole arbiter of the CCC's regulatory jurisdiction, it's not even an arbiter.
Again, tell me what the CCC have picked up on that the the officials both missed, since whatever Gormley did was right under their noses?
No idea, maybe the ref bottled it and only had the courage to send Penrose off. Big decision at the start of the second half. It was easier to review over all on CCC.
I would agree with that.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 10:23:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3c4viNMNk Finnish Guy not happy with the decision on Gormley lad
WTF? Lol.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 14, 2013, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 10:23:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3c4viNMNk Finnish Guy not happy with the decision on Gormley lad
WTF? Lol.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: sheamy on August 14, 2013, 10:20:45 AM
Dessie Mone must have been watching this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY)
HaHa. That's brilliant. I haven't seen anything like that since 1996.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 10:26:46 AM
No idea, maybe the ref bottled it and only had the courage to send Penrose off. Big decision at the start of the second half. It was easier to review over all on CCC.
Even though the Gormley incident occurred first? He bottled nothing, he saw no strike, because there actually was no strike.
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final on their own there normally the masters of their own undoing at that time of the year.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 10:38:50 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 10:26:46 AM
No idea, maybe the ref bottled it and only had the courage to send Penrose off. Big decision at the start of the second half. It was easier to review over all on CCC.
Even though the Gormley incident occurred first? He bottled nothing, he saw no strike, because there actually was no strike.
Maybe the ref was amazed Gormley would try something so daft in front of him, and gave him the benefit of the doubt.?Then Penrose tried it and walked
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final there normally the masters of their own undoing at that too.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
Ah Logie, you're very welcome to the board! :)
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final there normally the masters of their own undoing at that too.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
You're off your head.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
- Mone came racing over (completely needlessly), and went through Gormley to get whinging and bleating at the ref
- Gormley wasn't too happy about that (would you be?), and in a controlled fashion pushed Mone's flailing arms right back at him; his fist appeared to be closed at the end of that manoeuvre simply because of the grip he had of Mone's arm
- Mone didn't flinch, in stark contradistinction to moments later and his pathetic simulation after Penrose caught him on the shoulder
- The red mist descended on Penrose and he had to walk, not so with Gormley
- Can someone point me to the new rule that states it's possible for person A to strike person B with a part of person B's own body (even though it was a push, albeit a forceful push)?
- What have the CCC discerned that the officials missed, with Gormley, since it happened right under the officials' noses?
- Why has it taken one whole week for the CCC to issue their sanction (they viewed the 'evidence' on Tuesday 6th August, if I'm not mistaken)?
- Some of the viewers (hereon) of that video clip could do with a visit to Specsavers! :P
Who's whinging and bleating now? I suggest you get in touch with Brolly's mammy to get him to contact his BBC video editor mate to prepare your appeal. Or else 'suck it up' as you say yourself.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
Maybe the ref was amazed Gormley would try something so daft in front of him, and gave him the benefit of the doubt.?Then Penrose tried it and walked
FFS, cop on! :P
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
Maybe the ref was amazed Gormley would try something so daft in front of him, and gave him the benefit of the doubt.?Then Penrose tried it and walked
FFS, cop on! :P
If you can't see it was a sending off, then maybe a visit to specsavers.
It would be unbelievably harsh if Tyrone were to lose Penrose and Gormley for the bit of handbags that went on. Looking at the Miskella and Connolly incidents they should both get off. The start of the second half in the Cork v Kilkenny hurling match was much worse yet nothing happened.
I have to say there has been a lot of apathy in Tyrone so far this year with supporters not turning out in huge numbers. I would say this is not the best Tyrone team we have seen and they do not play an attractive brand of football but you do have to say they have done remarkably well to get to the last 4 and are getting the very best out of themselves so all credit to them and the management.
The fact that they are doing this in the face of the media vilification coming their way, this proposed ban of Gormley and that they are facing a very good (not unbeatable) Mayo side should really build a siege mentality within the squad and hopefully within the county. Tyrone people should turn out in force on the 25th and give the team their backing. Its us against the world............
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
Maybe the ref was amazed Gormley would try something so daft in front of him, and gave him the benefit of the doubt.?Then Penrose tried it and walked
FFS, cop on! :P
If you can't see it was a sending off, then maybe a visit to specsavers.
Get a job in the circus, with all those hoops you can jump through. Would get you out for a while.
Quote from: The Trap on August 14, 2013, 10:46:52 AM
It would be unbelievably harsh if Tyrone were to lose Penrose and Gormley for the bit of handbags that went on. Looking at the Miskella and Connolly incidents they should both get off. The start of the second half in the Cork v Kilkenny hurling match was much worse yet nothing happened.
I have to say there has been a lot of apathy in Tyrone so far this year with supporters not turning out in huge numbers. I would say this is not the best Tyrone team we have seen and they do not play an attractive brand of football but you do have to say they have done remarkably well to get to the last 4 and are getting the very best out of themselves so all credit to them and the management.
The fact that they are doing this in the face of the media vilification coming their way, this proposed ban of Gormley and that they are facing a very good (not unbeatable) Mayo side should really build a siege mentality within the squad and hopefully within the county. Tyrone people should turn out in force on the 25th and give the team their backing. Its us against the world............
Fcuk it, I'm wearing my red and white paper cap all day today!!!
Quote from: babarino on August 14, 2013, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
- Mone came racing over (completely needlessly), and went through Gormley to get whinging and bleating at the ref
- Gormley wasn't too happy about that (would you be?), and in a controlled fashion pushed Mone's flailing arms right back at him; his fist appeared to be closed at the end of that manoeuvre simply because of the grip he had of Mone's arm
- Mone didn't flinch, in stark contradistinction to moments later and his pathetic simulation after Penrose caught him on the shoulder
- The red mist descended on Penrose and he had to walk, not so with Gormley
- Can someone point me to the new rule that states it's possible for person A to strike person B with a part of person B's own body (even though it was a push, albeit a forceful push)?
- What have the CCC discerned that the officials missed, with Gormley, since it happened right under the officials' noses?
- Why has it taken one whole week for the CCC to issue their sanction (they viewed the 'evidence' on Tuesday 6th August, if I'm not mistaken)?
- Some of the viewers (hereon) of that video clip could do with a visit to Specsavers! :P
Who's whinging and bleating now? I suggest you get in touch with Brolly's mammy to get him to contact his BBC video editor mate to prepare your appeal. Or else 'suck it up' as you say yourself.
The full-time whistle hasn't blown on this little episode, yet!
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final on their own there normally the masters of their own undoing at that time of the year.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
cliche alert!
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final on their own there normally the masters of their own undoing at that time of the year.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
I don't understand how some people call themselves GAA people when they clearly don't even have a knowledge of past results. Just to clear it up for you, in my time anyway.
Semi final reults.
1985 v Dublin draw/lose
1988 v meath lose
1989 v Tyrone win
1992 v doneal lose
1993v Cork lose
1996 v Kerry win
1997 v Offaly win
1999 v Cork lose
2004 v Fermanagh draw/win
2006 v Dublin win
2011 v Kerry lose
2012 v Dublin win
I think thats 50/50 if i'm correct and not left any out, whatever it is it makes your post invalid.
1993 v
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2013, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: sheamy on August 14, 2013, 10:20:45 AM
Dessie Mone must have been watching this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY)
HaHa. That's brilliant. I haven't seen anything like that since 1996.
Well, I'm not falling for that one... ;D
But if I were a moany tyronie, I'd think of poor Brian Dooher and his head, Martin O'Connell and his boot and tell ya to eff off to where you came from.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 14, 2013, 09:31:11 AM
Gormley has never done anything accidentally in his life.
I'd say if you walked into the incubator room a couple of hours after he was born, it would have been full of crying babies, with him staring angelically up at you as if to say, 'What? I didn't touch them.'
Were the officials blinded by the sun or what ?
Is that the Meath ospital ? You Meath boys are at it again.
Colm Keys– 14 August 2013
Conor Gormley looks set to miss Tyrone's All-Ireland semi-final against Mayo next week after the GAA's disciplinary arm charged him with striking Monaghan's Dessie Mone as the players made their way off the field at half-time in their quarter-final.
The same flashpoint will already keep Martin Penrose out of the Mayo match -- he was red-carded just before the start of the second half. But the potential loss of Gormley really compounds Tyrone's problems.
The Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) reviewed the incident and contacted match referee Cormac Reilly to ascertain whether or not he had dealt with the incident.
It is understood that neither Reilly nor his officials saw the incident and that opened up the prospect of laying a charge against Gormley, although Tyrone say they have yet to be notified.
Gormley appeared to catch Mone with his hand, but Tyrone are likely to seek a hearing on behalf of the player in the coming days.
Meanwhile, the head of referees in Meath, former inter-county goalkeeper Donal Smyth, has warned that abuse of referees is on the rise in the county once again.
Smyth made his comments to a county board meeting on Monday night, when a delegate claimed that a referee has been getting abusive calls to his house phone in recent weeks.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2013, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2013, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: sheamy on August 14, 2013, 10:20:45 AM
Dessie Mone must have been watching this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY)
HaHa. That's brilliant. I haven't seen anything like that since 1996.
Well, I'm not falling for that one... ;D
But if I were a moany tyronie, I'd think of poor Brian Dooher and his head, Martin O'Connell and his boot and tell ya to eff off to where you came from.
Lar, you're looking for fight all the time these days. Is it the tension of overwhelming favouritism or has someone spiked your porridge?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final on their own there normally the masters of their own undoing at that time of the year.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
I don't understand how some people call themselves GAA people when they clearly don't even have a knowledge of past results. Just to clear it up for you, in my time anyway.
Semi final reults.
1985 v Dublin draw/lose
1988 v meath lose
1989 v Tyrone win
1992 v doneal lose
1993v Cork lose
1996 v Kerry win
1997 v Offaly win
1999 v Cork lose
2004 v Fermanagh draw/win
2006 v Dublin win
2011 v Kerry lose
2012 v Dublin win
I think thats 50/50 if i'm correct and not left any out, whatever it is it makes your post invalid.
1993 v
Wasn't on about All Ireland Semis specifically, i just meant in general in All Ireland series semi or final, hot air blows them up year after year with the amount of successful campaigns in their own Provence but fair to deliver year after year. Why would this year be any Different? They had it won last year after Dublin aswell and again went down the road empty handed.
Im staying gimme Mayo in an all Ireland semi final any day of the week with their record rather than Dublin or Kerry!
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2013, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2013, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2013, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: sheamy on August 14, 2013, 10:20:45 AM
Dessie Mone must have been watching this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rspuum4kY)
HaHa. That's brilliant. I haven't seen anything like that since 1996.
Well, I'm not falling for that one... ;D
But if I were a moany tyronie, I'd think of poor Brian Dooher and his head, Martin O'Connell and his boot and tell ya to eff off to where you came from.
Lar, you're looking for fight all the time these days. Is it the tension of overwhelming favouritism or has someone spiked your porridge?
Remember '96.
That's all you need to know. ;D
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final on their own there normally the masters of their own undoing at that time of the year.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
I don't understand how some people call themselves GAA people when they clearly don't even have a knowledge of past results. Just to clear it up for you, in my time anyway.
Semi final reults.
1985 v Dublin draw/lose
1988 v meath lose
1989 v Tyrone win
1992 v doneal lose
1993v Cork lose
1996 v Kerry win
1997 v Offaly win
1999 v Cork lose
2004 v Fermanagh draw/win
2006 v Dublin win
2011 v Kerry lose
2012 v Dublin win
I think thats 50/50 if i'm correct and not left any out, whatever it is it makes your post invalid.
1993 v
Wasn't on about All Ireland Semis specifically, i just meant in general in All Ireland series semi or final, hot air blows them up year after year with the amount of successful campaigns in their own Provence but fair to deliver year after year. Why would this year be any Different? They had it won last year after Dublin aswell and again went down the road empty handed.
Im staying gimme Mayo in an all Ireland semi final any day of the week with their record rather than Dublin or Kerry!
You are really clutching at straws if you're reduced to trying to claim Mayo are vulnerable in a semi. If anything that's the very worst stage of the championship to get them.
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final on their own there normally the masters of their own undoing at that time of the year.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
I don't understand how some people call themselves GAA people when they clearly don't even have a knowledge of past results. Just to clear it up for you, in my time anyway.
Semi final reults.
1985 v Dublin draw/lose - Dublin 1-13 Mayo 1-13 / Dublin 2-12 Mayo 1-7 (Draw and - 8 points)
1988 v meath lose - Meath 0-16 - 2-05 Mayo (- 5 points)
1989 v Tyrone win - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6 (+ 3 points)
1992 v Donegal lose - Donegal 0-13 Mayo 0-9 (- 4 points)
1993v Cork lose - Cork 5-15 Mayo 0-10 (- 25 points)
1996 v Kerry win - Mayo 2-13 Kerry 1-10 (+ 6 points)
1997 v Offaly win - Mayo 0-13 0-7 Offaly (+ 6 points)
1999 v Cork lose - Cork 2-12 Mayo 0-12 (- 6 points)
2004 v Fermanagh draw/win - Mayo 0-09 0-09 Fermanagh / Mayo 0-13 1-08 Fermanagh (Draw and + 2 points)
2006 v Dublin win - Mayo 1-16 Dublin 2-12 (+ 1 point)
2011 v Kerry lose - 1-11 1-20 (- 9 points)
2012 v Dublin win- Mayo 0-19 Dublin 0-16 (+ 3 points)
I think thats 50/50 if i'm correct and not left any out, whatever it is it makes your post invalid.
1993 v
Wasn't on about All Ireland Semis specifically, i just meant in general in All Ireland series semi or final, hot air blows them up year after year with the amount of successful campaigns in their own Provence but fair to deliver year after year. Why would this year be any Different? They had it won last year after Dublin aswell and again went down the road empty handed.
Im staying gimme Mayo in an all Ireland semi final any day of the week with their record rather than Dublin or Kerry!
You are really clutching at straws if you're reduced to trying to claim Mayo are vulnerable in a semi. If anything that's the very worst stage of the championship to get them.
No trend there to be honest to say Mayo are good or bad at semi-finals. Just the same horse shit as saying Northern Teams cannot / do not play proper football.
Quote from: orangeman on August 14, 2013, 11:57:13 AM
It is understood that neither Reilly nor his officials saw the incident and that opened up the prospect of laying a charge against Gormley, although Tyrone say they have yet to be notified.
It's taken them 10 days after the game to contrive something that wasn't there for the officials to see, and on 11 days they still haven't notified the TCB. Joke.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 14, 2013, 11:57:13 AM
It is understood that neither Reilly nor his officials saw the incident and that opened up the prospect of laying a charge against Gormley, although Tyrone say they have yet to be notified.
It's taken them 10 days after the game to contrive something that wasn't there for the officials to see, and on 11 days they still haven't notified the TCB. Joke.
I'll give them a ring if you want. Some deaf lads on the TCB if they haven't got the message yet.
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2013, 02:26:48 PM
I'll give them a ring if you want. Some deaf lads on the TCB if they haven't got the message yet.
One joke's quite enough for the minute.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
- Mone came racing over (completely needlessly), and went through Gormley to get whinging and bleating at the ref
- Gormley wasn't too happy about that (would you be?), and in a controlled fashion pushed Mone's flailing arms right back at him; his fist appeared to be closed at the end of that manoeuvre simply because of the grip he had of Mone's arm
- Mone didn't flinch, in stark contradistinction to moments later and his pathetic simulation after Penrose caught him on the shoulder
- The red mist descended on Penrose and he had to walk, not so with Gormley
- Can someone point me to the new rule that states it's possible for person A to strike person B with a part of person B's own body (even though it was a push, albeit a forceful push)?
- What have the CCC discerned that the officials missed, with Gormley, since it happened right under the officials' noses?
- Why has it taken one whole week for the CCC to issue their sanction (they viewed the 'evidence' on Tuesday 6th August, if I'm not mistaken)?
- Some of the viewers (hereon) of that video clip could do with a visit to Specsavers! :P
The sheer arrogance. Is Mone not just as entitled as the Tyrone players to be near the ref? There are 4 tyrone players in the near vicinity. The video clearly shows Gormley following through agressively with a closed fist. He either strikes or very nearly strikes Mone ie a red card offence. Case closed.
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2013, 08:22:50 AM
What amazes me is that a few lads sat down, watched this clip and then decided - yea, that's a one month ban.
Who are these men? Are their names known?
You sound like Ally Mccoist.
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2013, 02:31:20 PM
The sheer arrogance. Is Mone not just as entitled as the Tyrone players to be near the ref? There are 4 tyrone players in the near vicinity. The video clearly shows Gormley following through agressively with a closed fist. He either strikes or very nearly strikes Mone ie a red card offence. Case closed.
He had
no errand racing over to get involved, where the Tyrone players were leaving the field of play. Case closed yer arse (though you might be able to see better out of the latter).
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2013, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2013, 08:22:50 AM
What amazes me is that a few lads sat down, watched this clip and then decided - yea, that's a one month ban.
Who are these men? Are their names known?
You sound like Ally Mccoist.
The CCCC is made up of the following men :
Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC)
Cathaoirleach Simon Moroney
Provincial Secretary of Leinster Council Michael Delaney,
Provincial Secretary of Munster Council Pat Fitzgerald
Provincial Secretary of Connacht Council John Prenty
Provincial Secretary of Ulster Council Danny Murphy,
Leinster Representative Declan Hallissey, Dublin
Munster Representative Tony Ó Keeffe, Kerry
Connacht Representative Seamus Maher, Roscommon
Ulster Representative Peter Carty, Fermanagh
Runaí Fergal McGill (Games Administration), Croke Park
Pat Doherty (Discipline), Croke Park
40 pages of sh1te already and still 11 days to go to the game.
I think this one will set a new record - esp with the Gormley thing to get the Tys moaning. ;D
I thought Moroney stepped down earlier in the year. Who's the present chairman?
Good question O'Neill - it's Kerryman O'Keefe.
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2013, 02:42:47 PM
I thought Moroney stepped down earlier in the year. Who's the present chairman?
You're correct, they hadn't updated the website but the new man is :
THE GAA HAS today announced Kerryman Tony O"Keefe as the new chairman of the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC).
O'Keefe, who had been a member of the CCCC, takes up the role as a replacement for Simon Moroney.
Moroney last week moved aside from the role to take up a temporary position as secretary with the Munster Council.
http://www.thescore.ie/gaa-kerrys-okeefe-appointed-cccc-chairman-750749-Jan2013/
Its not as if we didnt tell you after the games he get suspended, he should have walked during the game and you may not have been in the semi at all! Gormley and penrose went out of there way to go over to mone and the ref when they should have walked on to the changing rooms. Only person to blame is themselves and no-one else
Jaysus, this thread has been great craic. Tyronies, lighten up again please!
I was looking at the programme for the 2001 fuball final there and I see a good few Tyrone players from the minor team made it including out half Sean Cavanagh.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
Jaysus, this thread has been great craic. Tyronies, lighten up again please!
Feck off Farr, no room here for levity! :P ;)
The Tyrone senior team are being set up big time by the hierarchy of the GAA. I have seen this sort of victimisation happen at club level and it only ends one way.........If a few refereeing calls go against them at the start of the game it turns into a very dangerous situation both on the field and off it. Tyrone, like every county, are very passionate about their football. They see it as a means of life and at the minute they feel the world is against them. Take a trawl through Twitter and Facebook to get a flavour of the anger that is within the county. The rights or wrongs off what Conor did are not the issue. The point is that Tyrone are being treated different to every other county. I just hope and pray that what I think may happen doesn't!
The world is against Tyrone right now. These are some of the scenes around the world following the ban announcement...
Kazakhstan
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North Carolina, USA
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Moscow
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Quote from: ballinaman on August 14, 2013, 03:35:34 PM
The world is against Tyrone right now. These are some of the scenes around the world following the ban announcement...
Kazakhstan
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North Carolina, USA
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Moscow
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Hahaha
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
Jaysus, this thread has been great craic. Tyronies, lighten up again please!
Arra, Farr, it's mighty to see you've snapped out of it.
Hundreds of thousands of Mayo supporters worldwide were starting to get fierce worried that you'd never have pep in your step again.
If you had stayed even one more day down in the dumps, assloads of get-well-soon cards would be on their way to you. ;D
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 14, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
The Tyrone senior team are being set up big time by the hierarchy of the GAA. I have seen this sort of victimisation happen at club level and it only ends one way.........If a few refereeing calls go against them at the start of the game it turns into a very dangerous situation both on the field and off it. Tyrone, like every county, are very passionate about their football. They see it as a means of life and at the minute they feel the world is against them. Take a trawl through Twitter and Facebook to get a flavour of the anger that is within the county. The rights or wrongs off what Conor did are not the issue. The point is that Tyrone are being treated different to every other county. I just hope and pray that what I think may happen doesn't!
What do you think is going to happen? Will Mayo folk be safe to take their seats?
Ye take the Hogan, we'll take the Cusack, the Canal end will have to be no-man's land.
Instead of a football match we'll have a parade, followed by a rally, followed by a mass. Forget the football, it's far too late for that.
I think that the differing opinions on the video evidence speaks volumes - the footage is inconclusive and nobody can be 100% sure of exactly what happened. In that case, surely Gormleys ban cannot be upheld. How did Connolly and Miskella get off?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on August 14, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Conor Gormley or no Conor Gormley.
For the Simple reason its getting close to the 3rd Sunday in September and them Mayo lads will be oozing from the anus.
Tyrone to win by 1/2 pts, We should just let Mayo at it in the semi final on their own there normally the masters of their own undoing at that time of the year.
If you were to tell me at the start of the year that Tyrone were to avoid Dublin Kerry Cork before the All Ireland Final id have bit your arm of for that route, and Tyrone squad know that more than anyone at this stage they had the favorable draw at this stage.
If Mickey Harte can get this current Tyrone side to an All Ireland Final on top of their National League final appearance il take my hat of to him id be more fearful of Dublin and Kerry than i would of Mayo.
I don't understand how some people call themselves GAA people when they clearly don't even have a knowledge of past results. Just to clear it up for you, in my time anyway.
Semi final reults.
1985 v Dublin draw/lose
1988 v meath lose
1989 v Tyrone win
1992 v doneal lose
1993v Cork lose
1996 v Kerry win
1997 v Offaly win
1999 v Cork lose
2004 v Fermanagh draw/win
2006 v Dublin win
2011 v Kerry lose
2012 v Dublin win
I think thats 50/50 if i'm correct and not left any out, whatever it is it makes your post invalid.
1993 v
First semi final,championship win in Croke park since 1951?
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 14, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
The Tyrone senior team are being set up big time by the hierarchy of the GAA. I have seen this sort of victimisation happen at club level and it only ends one way.........If a few refereeing calls go against them at the start of the game it turns into a very dangerous situation both on the field and off it. Tyrone, like every county, are very passionate about their football. They see it as a means of life and at the minute they feel the world is against them. Take a trawl through Twitter and Facebook to get a flavour of the anger that is within the county. The rights or wrongs off what Conor did are not the issue. The point is that Tyrone are being treated different to every other county. I just hope and pray that what I think may happen doesn't!
I presume this is a windup ;)
If not you've got some problem Roddeen
Quote from: Rossfan on August 14, 2013, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 14, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
The Tyrone senior team are being set up big time by the hierarchy of the GAA. I have seen this sort of victimisation happen at club level and it only ends one way.........If a few refereeing calls go against them at the start of the game it turns into a very dangerous situation both on the field and off it. Tyrone, like every county, are very passionate about their football. They see it as a means of life and at the minute they feel the world is against them. Take a trawl through Twitter and Facebook to get a flavour of the anger that is within the county. The rights or wrongs off what Conor did are not the issue. The point is that Tyrone are being treated different to every other county. I just hope and pray that what I think may happen doesn't!
I presume this is a windup ;)
If not you've got some problem Roddeen
There we go Tyrone's staple . . .the Siege Mentality!!
how are the 'rights or wrongs off what Conor ' not the issue if he did wrong then he deserves the ban if he didn't do wrong the you may have a point.
There definitely is history here being repeated by the CCCC and Tyrone.
There has been a few incidents before where a Tyrone player has been called up using video evidence but it has been quashed due to the unfair selection of one incident over another.
In my eyes Mone & Penrose were at it all day long and then a few others react to Mone during the game including Gormley. As they were walking off at half time Penrose & McAdam were pushing & shoving and so Mone who was nowhere near them comes over to get involved. Gormley grabs his arm and starts off to try to push his hands away but he certainly seems to try to hit him in the face with his own hands and carry through with his own. The linesman that was walking towards them must have saw this and in real time it did look like a punch and that's why so many thought Gormley would get a red card and not Penrose.
Even in very slow mo its hard to make out what happened and so I was pretty sure he would get away with it. If it had of been the other way round then I'd be livid with Mone but to me Conor was silly to throw his hand at his face so forcefully.
I reckon he will get off due to the unfair process of picking on some players (or counties) and not others. I wonder is this the CCCC's way of getting back at Tyrone for their repeated cynical fouling this year.
I'd say Mayo aren't too worried either way if he plays or not as they believe they'll win easy enough
Quote from: screenexile on August 14, 2013, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 14, 2013, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 14, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
The Tyrone senior team are being set up big time by the hierarchy of the GAA. I have seen this sort of victimisation happen at club level and it only ends one way.........If a few refereeing calls go against them at the start of the game it turns into a very dangerous situation both on the field and off it. Tyrone, like every county, are very passionate about their football. They see it as a means of life and at the minute they feel the world is against them. Take a trawl through Twitter and Facebook to get a flavour of the anger that is within the county. The rights or wrongs off what Conor did are not the issue. The point is that Tyrone are being treated different to every other county. I just hope and pray that what I think may happen doesn't!
I presume this is a windup ;)
If not you've got some problem Roddeen
There we go Tyrone's staple . . .the Siege Mentality!!
I love the Ulster camaraderie
Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?
Keep up - Philomena Begley has already released a song about it.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?
Keep up - Philomena Begley has already released a song about it.
First Cavanagh, then Harte and Gormley. Now they're even having a go at the 'Queen of the Silver Dollar'. Is nothing sacred anymore? Mickey Harte's motivational speech will be easy!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?
Keep up - Philomena Begley has already released a song about it.
Damn it now there will be no money to be made off the 18 verse ode I had just penned to the one and only Davy Brady :'(
Just to be serious for a moment I can't believe only the Tyrone lads are going mental about the way Gormley was banned. Between the Brolly rant , him calling Tyrone people ba$tardrs ' RTE analysis being used as evidence it sets a dangerous precedent that a county can be set upon if the Sunday game panel decides so ( it happened before with Paul Galvin). What if Brolly decides to get stuck into Mayo again before a potential final as the original cynical team? What if Aiden O' Shea has another heavy hit (ala the Frank McGlynn shoulder) which the three wise men judge to be a dirty stroke? I hope Tyrone appeal this and win , not because I think Gormley is 100% innocent but because the process is a sham and we need a proper transparent citing procedure that treats all counties in the same way.
Anyway back to the Mayo arrogance , Mayo by 15 in this glorified training game ;D ;
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?
Arra, better hold off a biteen longer.
We haven't sold too many of the "Justice for Conor Mortimer" ones yet. ;D
Jeez Crete, the last thing we need is some kind of perspective or understanding from outside the county, you'll drive our 'siege mentality' mental! ;)
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 14, 2013, 06:31:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?
Keep up - Philomena Begley has already released a song about it.
Damn it now there will be no money to be made off the 18 verse ode I had just penned to the one and only Davy Brady :'(
Just to be serious for a moment I can't believe only the Tyrone lads are going mental about the way Gormley was banned. Between the Brolly rant , him calling Tyrone people ba$tardrs ' RTE analysis being used as evidence it sets a dangerous precedent that a county can be set upon if the Sunday game panel decides so ( it happened before with Paul Galvin). What if Brolly decides to get stuck into Mayo again before a potential final as the original cynical team? What if Aiden O' Shea has another heavy hit (ala the Frank McGlynn shoulder) which the three wise men judge to be a dirty stroke? I hope Tyrone appeal this and win , not because I think Gormley is 100% innocent but because the process is a sham and we need a proper transparent citing procedure that treats all counties in the same way.
Anyway back to the Mayo arrogance , Mayo by 15 in this glorified training game ;D ;
+1
Really sick of this trial by media stuff. If Tyrone were playing anybody else, I would definitely be up for them.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2013, 06:45:24 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?
Arra, better hold off a biteen longer.
We haven't sold too many of the "Justice for Conor Mortimer" ones yet. ;D
Grand so Lar I'll start with Mk2 Escort first and there is an old Nissan Sunny up in the back field that is ripe for a splash of green and red. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 06:52:17 PM
Jeez Crete, the last thing we need is some kind of perspective or understanding from outside the county, you'll drive our 'siege mentality' mental! ;)
Well saying a Mayoman has perspective and understanding around this time of year is a dangerous game so in the spirit of siege mentality I'll take it as an insult, Up Mayo bate them Tyrone bucks out the gate!!!!
Just because a dozen robbers get away scott-free doesn't mean one who gets caught with his hand jammed down the cash register shouldn't pay for his actions. The system needs to be more open and transparent, sure, but this was only possible because the incident wasn't dealt with in any manner during the game.
Tyrone have had a bit of bad luck (I suppose) getting caught with the Cavanagh tackle and the Gormley and Penrose suspensions all at once but the lack of 100% effective policing isn't a valid reason to ignore a very blatant incident like this.
Suck it up, there's a game to be played. Monaghan are the real losers here.
This was on another thread a while ago.
The Mayo Accent
Have you ever tuned into the voice of a Mayan?
In his mouth the English language is sphagnum moss
Under the bare braceleted feet of a pirate queen:
Syllables are blooms of tentativeness in bog cotton;
Words are bog oak sunk in understatement;
Phrases are bog water in which syllables float
Or in which speakers themselves are found floating face upwards
Or downwards;
Conversations are smudges of bogland under cloudy skies.
Speech in Mayo is a turbary function
To be exercised as a turbary right
With turbary responsibilities
And turbary irresponsibilities.
Peat smoke of silence unfurls over turf fires of language.
A man with a Mayo accent is a stag at bay
Upon a bog rock with rabbits round its hooves.
Why then, Daddy, did you shed
The pricey antlers of your Mayo accent
For the tree-felling voice of a harsh judiciary
Whose secret headquarters were in the Home Counties
or High Germany?
Your son has gone back to Mayo to sleep with the island woman
Who talks so much she does not talk at all.
If he does not sleep with her, she will kill him—the pirate queen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeJc88peIkw
On the practical side...who steps into Gormley's role? I don't think he'll get off on this one. He's the one player I had hoped would not get injured as his influence and involvement, craft and guile at crucial times is priceless. I fancy McGinley and could see him really stepping up in the Monaghan game. This could be blooding of a new era...
Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 08:11:51 PM
On the practical side...who steps into Gormley's role? I don't think he'll get off on this one. He's the one player I had hoped would not get injured as his influence and involvement, craft and guile at crucial times is priceless. I fancy McGinley and could see him really stepping up in the Monaghan game. This could be blooding of a new era...
McNabb, McKenna or McNamee maybe. I heard Justy McMahon played a full game for Omagh at the weekend so perhaps he could be in the shake up? McGinley started the last two games so he's not really a replacement, but I agree, he as definitely earned his place.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
Mone Jordan came racing over (completely needlessly)
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
- Mone didn't flinch, in stark contradistinction to moments later and his pathetic simulation after Penrose caught him on the shoulder.
This is a quite wordy, pretentious description of the most important point of the whole thing. Had it been a box from Gormley, I think Mone would have reacted as he did seconds later.
I don't think gormley has a case to answer here and he should be lining out Sunday week.[/list]
Is mickey Harte the new Rafa? Fact.
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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justy played but is nowhere near fit. clarke didnt play for omagh either. tiernan mccann mom in my humble opinion.
watched the video of gormley in slo mo and its quite clear that stevie o'neill boxed yer man!!! :o
There's a bit cut off at the end.
'We also invented the telephone & piston engine.'
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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Looks like the work of the man from strabane
Jesus that's pathetic, who thought that was a good idea ?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 14, 2013, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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Looks like the work of the man from strabane
Or Rafa Benitez!!! ;D
This is a most welcomed development from a Mayo perspective. 8) Ye know ye have a game on Sunday week lads?!
Would love to see a breakdown of fouls by type! Compare lifting the ball off the ground with a rugby type tackle---both fouls.
Quote from: Saffrongael on August 14, 2013, 09:31:30 PM
Jesus that's pathetic, who thought that was a good idea ?
Foolish and like Rafa Benitez they are not helping themselves.
Fcuk that's embarrassing! :-[
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2013, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 14, 2013, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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Looks like the work of the man from strabane
Or Rafa Benitez!!! ;D
Best read with Logie's accent and whistling every s.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 14, 2013, 09:37:33 PM
Would love to see a breakdown of fouls by type! Compare lifting the ball off the ground with a rugby type tackle---both fouls.
+1
It's not how often but how significant the cynicism is at a particular stage of the game. While there is a certain antipathy to Ulster or 'the north' among many southerners, it's wrong to say this is generally the case. This 'anti-Tyrone' feeling has arisen from how good they are at it.
A red or black card doesn't make much difference in the last few minutes of the game. The arguments against the black card are valid. It won't make much difference. The only thing I can see that will stop a rugby tackle, when a player is one on one with the keeper is a penalty goal. Another suggestion by the head of the Munster board, from Kerry I think, was also interesting - legalise the 'rugby tackle.
They have a point that a red card should be given for cynical fouls. The black card will be a farce!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQI-h0JYRRg
On 5 minutes: 'bate away lads, good honest hurling there, no need for any CCCC'.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 14, 2013, 10:22:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQI-h0JYRRg
On 5 minutes: 'bate away lads, good honest hurling there, no need for any CCCC'.
Surely Lorcan McLoughlin couldn't have played in the All Ireland semi final after the CCCC reviewed that incident? Could he?
Quote from: babarino on August 14, 2013, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 14, 2013, 09:37:33 PM
Would love to see a breakdown of fouls by type! Compare lifting the ball off the ground with a rugby type tackle---both fouls.
+1
It's not how often but how significant the cynicism is at a particular stage of the game. While there is a certain antipathy to Ulster or 'the north' among many southerners, it's wrong to say this is generally the case. This 'anti-Tyrone' feeling has arisen from how good they are at it.
A red or black card doesn't make much difference in the last few minutes of the game. The arguments against the black card are valid. It won't make much difference. The only thing I can see that will stop a rugby tackle, when a player is one on one with the keeper is a penalty goal. Another suggestion by the head of the Munster board, from Kerry I think, was also interesting - legalise the 'rugby tackle.
I think it's pretty clear what 'have been fouled' and 'have fouled the opposition' means. Surely you're not going to be 'cynical' about this letter, eh?
This particular Tyrone team has been blackened by the sort of unfounded statement that I have highlighted in your comment about the anti-Tyrone feeling. And when you have the Southern media backing it up, you have a huge anti-Tyrone GAA feeling amongst a hell of a lot of people-I have seen it here in Limerick this past few weeks-a neutral county in the debate. It's very disheartening after the general goodwill that there was round here in 2005, 2008.
You can talk about whingeing and moaning, etc. but there is something more serious at play here where you have elite amateur athletes being consistently dragged over the coals and publicly tainted on one team only!. We're sick to the teeth of the double standards at this stage.
It simply wouldn't happen in hurling and while Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke aren't saying much these days, they have a lot to answer for by whinging and cribbing through grimaces about aspects of play that they didn't like in the previous decade-God, we'll miss Michael michael o muircheartaigh!
I'm not surprised that someone has felt compelled to put out this pamphlet.
As an aside, those facts are actual facts.
Who has written this statement? is it from the county board?
Surely pointing out that they are the only county who spoke out against the black card (the panacea of all problems!) doesn't do them any favours.
Obviously Tyrone are a bit stung by media comments painting them as the bad guys but this statement dispels none of the accusations levelled at them.
A bit of siege mentality does no harm in a dressing room but Tyrone need to do their talking on the pitch.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is real. It just goes to show how cynical Tyrone really are. It would just be like them to feign support for a straight red card knowing full well that people would deem that a step too far. This allows them to oppose the black card while maintaining the illusion that they are "tough" on cynicism.
sickening, sickening cynicism. Tyrone are truly a cancer on the game.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is real. It just goes to show how cynical Tyrone really are. It would just be like them to feign support for a straight red card knowing full well that people would deem that a step too far. This allows them to oppose the black card while maintaining the illusion that they are "tough" on cynicism.
sickening, sickening cynicism. Tyrone are truly a cancer on the game.
There's nothing worse than a (wounded)Kerry cynic. Why would red be step too far? What are ye afraid of down there?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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Oh Holy Fcuk help us all.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 14, 2013, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 14, 2013, 09:37:33 PM
Would love to see a breakdown of fouls by type! Compare lifting the ball off the ground with a rugby type tackle---both fouls.
+1
It's not how often but how significant the cynicism is at a particular stage of the game. While there is a certain antipathy to Ulster or 'the north' among many southerners, it's wrong to say this is generally the case. This 'anti-Tyrone' feeling has arisen from how good they are at it.
A red or black card doesn't make much difference in the last few minutes of the game. The arguments against the black card are valid. It won't make much difference. The only thing I can see that will stop a rugby tackle, when a player is one on one with the keeper is a penalty goal. Another suggestion by the head of the Munster board, from Kerry I think, was also interesting - legalise the 'rugby tackle.
I think it's pretty clear what 'have been fouled' and 'have fouled the opposition' means. Surely you're not going to be 'cynical' about this letter, eh?
This particular Tyrone team has been blackened by the sort of unfounded statement that I have highlighted in your comment about the anti-Tyrone feeling. And when you have the Southern media backing it up, you have a huge anti-Tyrone GAA feeling amongst a hell of a lot of people-I have seen it here in Limerick this past few weeks-a neutral county in the debate. It's very disheartening after the general goodwill that there was round here in 2005, 2008.
You can talk about whingeing and moaning, etc. but there is something more serious at play here where you have elite amateur athletes being consistently dragged over the coals and publicly tainted on one team only!. We're sick to the teeth of the double standards at this stage.
It simply wouldn't happen in hurling and while Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke aren't saying much these days, they have a lot to answer for by whinging and cribbing through grimaces about aspects of play that they didn't like in the previous decade-God, we'll miss Michael michael o muircheartaigh!
Whoever the statistician for Tyrone he/she doesn't make it clear. Seamus Darby wouldn't have scored the winner for Offaly if Kerry played the way Tyrone play now, and they were no angels. Football followers turned a blind eye to Canavan's antics against Kerry when they hadn't won an All-Ireland. Sorry, but now you've got three you can expect to be judged on the same basis as others. Also, you'll find that Gaels in Down and Derry, argue that Tyrone have perfected cynicism, so don't overplay the north / south thing.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
There's nothing worse than a (wounded)Kerry cynic. Why would red be step too far? What are ye afraid of down there?
I did not say a red card would be a step too far. I said the cynical Tymoanie delegates knew that a straight red would gain no support so they falsely, cynically, proposed it knowing full well that it would be ignored so that they would appear tough on cynicism.
I would fully support a straight red if it helps rid our games of the likes of Cavanagh with his horrible rugby tackles.
We need to be supporting pure bred footballers like Colm Cooper to express their inherent superiority over journeyman workhorses like Cavanagh. Its the only way forward for the game.
TCB are usually as professional as a professional soccer club.
I smell a rat. Twitter account is quiet.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:05:28 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
There's nothing worse than a (wounded)Kerry cynic. Why would red be step too far? What are ye afraid of down there?
I did not say a red card would be a step too far. I said the cynical Tymoanie delegates knew that a straight red would gain no support so they falsely, cynically, proposed it knowing full well that it would be ignored so that they would appear tough on cynicism.
I would fully support a straight red if it helps rid our games of the likes of Cavanagh with his horrible rugby tackles.
We need to be supporting pure bred footballers like Colm Cooper to express their inherent superiority over journeyman workhorses like Cavanagh. Its the only way forward for the game.
I've no doubt Kerry would love to rid the game of Sean Cavanagh. You haven't managed to beat a Tyrone team with him in it in the championship.
Look if Tyrone are that shittin themselves to play mayo in a game of football,why don't ye fuckoff and not turn up.
Mayo are really psyching out the opposition this year, Galway, Donegal and now Tyrone have all gone howling at the moon in anticaption of the Green and Red. At least Roscommon and London accepted their fate and without that extra pressure of worring about the inevitable. So Tyrone lads relax and enjoy the match :)
In all seriousness (tongue in cheek above by the way), our oppostion are tieing themselves up in knots all year. It is a pointless exercise and only goes to undermine your team, reminds me of the angst of knowing we were going to lose to Kerry in 2006 despite what we had already done to Dublin.
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2013, 07:19:40 PM
Just because a dozen robbers get away scott-free doesn't mean one who gets caught with his hand jammed down the cash register shouldn't pay for his actions. The system needs to be more open and transparent, sure, but this was only possible because the incident wasn't dealt with in any manner during the game.
Tyrone have had a bit of bad luck (I suppose) getting caught with the Cavanagh tackle and the Gormley and Penrose suspensions all at once but the lack of 100% effective policing isn't a valid reason to ignore a very blatant incident like this.
Suck it up, there's a game to be played. Monaghan are the real losers here.
Even if Gormley did strike which I don't agree with this makes no sense. All 12 would have been caught on camera but they decided to only use the evidence to prosecute one of criminals. It would be like only using video evidence against one segment of the population such as people from Dublin and ignoring it for everyone else.
if that letter is for real . i dont think any one can evefr accuse Tyrone if cynicism again
Naivety maybe
When you look at that Cork Kilkenny game or even the Galvin incident earlier in the year you really have to wonder how the CCC can justify picking out Gormley to use video evidence against. This issue has to be tackled for next season. There has to be a transparent system put in place for its use. I've said before but I'd love to see the breakdown by county that video evidence has been used for.
This will rumble on now for a while. I got the sense from a confident looking Mickey Harte on BBC tonight that at least Gormley will get off. It was a very strange interview given things he's said in the past. He was very positive and talked about how fair the gaa are and trusts them to get it right after the hearing. They must feel they have a chance with Penrose too.
I'd say Tyrone training will be great craic tomorrow night. I really hope the players can lift their game big time for this and produce a high intensity game next Sunday. This may have been designed to disrupt Tyrone's preparations but I think it could end up having the opposite effect.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:05:28 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
There's nothing worse than a (wounded)Kerry cynic. Why would red be step too far? What are ye afraid of down there?
I did not say a red card would be a step too far. I said the cynical Tymoanie delegates knew that a straight red would gain no support so they falsely, cynically, proposed it knowing full well that it would be ignored so that they would appear tough on cynicism.
I would fully support a straight red if it helps rid our games of the likes of Cavanagh with his horrible rugby tackles.
We need to be supporting pure bred footballers like Colm Cooper to express their inherent superiority over journeyman workhorses like Cavanagh. Its the only way forward for the game.
I've no doubt Kerry would love to rid the game of Sean Cavanagh. You haven't managed to beat a Tyrone team with him in it in the championship.
Yeah, he made sure he avoided that arse kicking we gave ye in Killarney....I suppose he was feigning injury or something.
Sheehy - the voice of (demented) reason.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
Look if Tyrone are that shittin themselves to play mayo in a game of football,why don't ye fuckoff and not turn up.
They are like that alright, the Tymoanies. Awful mouthy, but once they get a bit back they get all hysterical and go into meltdown. They just don't understand that if you give it you have to take it no matter where it is coming from even if its from a previous arse licker like Brolly. Publishing manifestos about how much they are fouled is pathethic and smacks of desperation.
Mayo will murder them if this keeps going. Its like an exact replay of the McGuinness ploy.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:29:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:05:28 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
There's nothing worse than a (wounded)Kerry cynic. Why would red be step too far? What are ye afraid of down there?
I did not say a red card would be a step too far. I said the cynical Tymoanie delegates knew that a straight red would gain no support so they falsely, cynically, proposed it knowing full well that it would be ignored so that they would appear tough on cynicism.
I would fully support a straight red if it helps rid our games of the likes of Cavanagh with his horrible rugby tackles.
We need to be supporting pure bred footballers like Colm Cooper to express their inherent superiority over journeyman workhorses like Cavanagh. Its the only way forward for the game.
I've no doubt Kerry would love to rid the game of Sean Cavanagh. You haven't managed to beat a Tyrone team with him in it in the championship.
Yeah, he made sure he avoided that arse kicking we gave ye in Killarney....I suppose he was feigning injury or something.
No, he hurt himself playing against Derrytresk. You probably haven't heard of them.
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2013, 11:42:20 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:29:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2013, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:05:28 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
There's nothing worse than a (wounded)Kerry cynic. Why would red be step too far? What are ye afraid of down there?
I did not say a red card would be a step too far. I said the cynical Tymoanie delegates knew that a straight red would gain no support so they falsely, cynically, proposed it knowing full well that it would be ignored so that they would appear tough on cynicism.
I would fully support a straight red if it helps rid our games of the likes of Cavanagh with his horrible rugby tackles.
We need to be supporting pure bred footballers like Colm Cooper to express their inherent superiority over journeyman workhorses like Cavanagh. Its the only way forward for the game.
I've no doubt Kerry would love to rid the game of Sean Cavanagh. You haven't managed to beat a Tyrone team with him in it in the championship.
Yeah, he made sure he avoided that arse kicking we gave ye in Killarney....I suppose he was feigning injury or something.
No, he hurt himself playing against Derrytresk. You probably haven't heard of them.
Was it that BBC documentary about inbreeding ?
Sheehy - shitting his pants already at the thought of Kerry beating Dublin only to find Tyrone in the final (and we all know what happens when Tyrone meet Kerry in Croke! :o)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 11:37:22 PM
Sheehy - the voice of (demented) reason.
oh god, its the board's resident "wordsmith". You are into the auld brackets these days I see. A new arrow in your quiver of verbosity !
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
Sheehy - shitting his pants already at the thought of Kerry beating Dublin only to find Tyrone in the final (and we all know what happens when Tyrone meet Kerry in Croke! :o)
They had to borrow the horse nappies from the Jarveys in Killarney such was the shiteing of Tyrone togs the last time we played ye.
We see through ye're bluster. No county that prints a whingefest like the above document can be taken seriously.
ha, ha, jesus , ye are the laughing stock.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:55:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
Sheehy - shitting his pants already at the thought of Kerry beating Dublin only to find Tyrone in the final (and we all know what happens when Tyrone meet Kerry in Croke! :o)
They had to borrow the horse nappies from the Jarveys in Killarney such was the shiteing of Tyrone togs the last time we played ye.
We see through ye're bluster. No county that prints a whingefest like the above document can be taken seriously.
ha, ha, jesus , ye are the laughing stock.
Must be shite not being able to beat a laughing stock at Croke Park. It's good to see your minors following on the tradition of bricking it at the mere sight of the red and white in Dublin. A new generation spooked by the Red Hand - excellent. The good thing was that Mickey Ned took it in the good grace that you lads have taken every other beating we've handed your lot at club, minor and senior level in recent years. Oh no actually, he joined in the usual Kerry post defeat "whingefest"!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
we all know what happens when Tyrone meet Kerry in Croke! :o
Indeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2rV__2NCIA
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:08:59 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
we all know what happens when Tyrone meet Kerry in Croke! :o
Indeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2rV__2NCIA
FFS I was expecting the twisted troll to be so desperate as to go back into the depths of history! :P
I love August.
Please tell me that document is a spoof!!??
Tyrone are goners if that is the shite they're putting out on their press night! The paranoia and siege mentality seems to be worse than Donegal's at this stage. I thought McGuinness and Gallagher's nonsense was a ploy but this is just ridiculous!
Who the buck wrote that?
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:08:59 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
we all know what happens when Tyrone meet Kerry in Croke! :o
Indeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2rV__2NCIA
That's so long ago that Tyrone hadn't even started rolling out structured GAA summer camps ffs!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 15, 2013, 12:46:55 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
Look if Tyrone are that shittin themselves to play mayo in a game of football,why don't ye fuckoff and not turn up.
You know what, if I was involved in the Tyrone senior set up right now, I wouldn't dismiss that option outright.
"Leak" a rumour at the start of next week that Tyrone may either not bother fielding for the game against Mayo, or field a deliberately weakened side. I mean lets face it, all Mayo have to do apparently is turn up and they'll walk into the final, Tyrone are being written off by pretty much everyone outside of their own county and even within it - (even my own doubts - personally I think Mayo will win by about 4-6 points) e.g. the complete lack of buzz in Tyrone right now no matter what the bitter Derry shitehawks bash away on their keyboards about. May as well take in the occasion to build on for next year. So as I said spread rumours that Tyrone will either not bother to turn up for the throw-in, or field a team of fringe players and/or club players as if it was a challenge game to fight for places in the 2014 panel. A couple of days before most clubs distribute tickets and public panic will set in as they might think that a €40 ticket will only get them into see a MFC curtain raiser and maybe a glorified challenge game, and so not bother going (not going to matter too much in Tyrone, not many look like they will be going anyway). The Tyrone team and the county board can do a simple neither-confirm-nor-deny policy right up almost until throw-in. It'll piss off the GAA, it'll piss off RTE, and in the unlikely event of not fielding the strongest team on the day it'll piss off sponsors but the only ones Tyrone have to try and keep sweet is Hunky Dorys. It'll be a PR disaster and hit the GAA right in the pocket with spectator doubts and those already with tickets trying to offload them. But there is next to nothing HQ in Croke Park will be able to take Tyrone over about it. Let the b**tards be screwed about with for a change. ;)
Aye, that sounds like great craic, you nutter. Quick question. Have Tyrone ever accepted a suspension for any player under Micky harte without an appeal? I don't think they have and that typifies the arrogance. Tyrone had a lot more class when eugene McKenna was in charge.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 15, 2013, 12:46:55 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
Look if Tyrone are that shittin themselves to play mayo in a game of football,why don't ye fuckoff and not turn up.
You know what, if I was involved in the Tyrone senior set up right now, I wouldn't dismiss that option outright.
"Leak" a rumour at the start of next week that Tyrone may either not bother fielding for the game against Mayo, or field a deliberately weakened side. I mean lets face it, all Mayo have to do apparently is turn up and they'll walk into the final, Tyrone are being written off by pretty much everyone outside of their own county and even within it - (even my own doubts - personally I think Mayo will win by about 4-6 points) e.g. the complete lack of buzz in Tyrone right now no matter what the bitter Derry shitehawks bash away on their keyboards about. May as well take in the occasion to build on for next year. So as I said spread rumours that Tyrone will either not bother to turn up for the throw-in, or field a team of fringe players and/or club players as if it was a challenge game to fight for places in the 2014 panel. A couple of days before most clubs distribute tickets and public panic will set in as they might think that a €40 ticket will only get them into see a MFC curtain raiser and maybe a glorified challenge game, and so not bother going (not going to matter too much in Tyrone, not many look like they will be going anyway). The Tyrone team and the county board can do a simple neither-confirm-nor-deny policy right up almost until throw-in. It'll piss off the GAA, it'll piss off RTE, and in the unlikely event of not fielding the strongest team on the day it'll piss off sponsors but the only ones Tyrone have to try and keep sweet is Hunky Dorys. It'll be a PR disaster and hit the GAA right in the pocket with spectator doubts and those already with tickets trying to offload them. But there is next to nothing HQ in Croke Park will be able to take Tyrone over about it. Let the b**tards be screwed about with for a change. ;)
Have you been taking PR lessons from the Orange Order by any chance? Why not refuse to speak to everybody, the GAA, RTE, the rest of the media, sponsors etc, communicating only by an intermediary? It'll be like Drumcree all over again.
The rest of the the country is having a great laugh at you.
Quote from: Sidney on August 15, 2013, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 15, 2013, 12:46:55 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 14, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
Look if Tyrone are that shittin themselves to play mayo in a game of football,why don't ye fuckoff and not turn up.
You know what, if I was involved in the Tyrone senior set up right now, I wouldn't dismiss that option outright.
"Leak" a rumour at the start of next week that Tyrone may either not bother fielding for the game against Mayo, or field a deliberately weakened side. I mean lets face it, all Mayo have to do apparently is turn up and they'll walk into the final, Tyrone are being written off by pretty much everyone outside of their own county and even within it - (even my own doubts - personally I think Mayo will win by about 4-6 points) e.g. the complete lack of buzz in Tyrone right now no matter what the bitter Derry shitehawks bash away on their keyboards about. May as well take in the occasion to build on for next year. So as I said spread rumours that Tyrone will either not bother to turn up for the throw-in, or field a team of fringe players and/or club players as if it was a challenge game to fight for places in the 2014 panel. A couple of days before most clubs distribute tickets and public panic will set in as they might think that a €40 ticket will only get them into see a MFC curtain raiser and maybe a glorified challenge game, and so not bother going (not going to matter too much in Tyrone, not many look like they will be going anyway). The Tyrone team and the county board can do a simple neither-confirm-nor-deny policy right up almost until throw-in. It'll piss off the GAA, it'll piss off RTE, and in the unlikely event of not fielding the strongest team on the day it'll piss off sponsors but the only ones Tyrone have to try and keep sweet is Hunky Dorys. It'll be a PR disaster and hit the GAA right in the pocket with spectator doubts and those already with tickets trying to offload them. But there is next to nothing HQ in Croke Park will be able to take Tyrone over about it. Let the b**tards be screwed about with for a change. ;)
Have you been taking PR lessons from the Orange Order by any chance? Why not refuse to speak to everybody, the GAA, RTE, the rest of the media, sponsors etc, communicating only by an intermediary? It'll be like Drumcree all over again.
The rest of the the country is having a great laugh at you.
Funny, there seems to be a few neutrals here who agree the red card is a joke.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
Handed out at the Tyrone press night tonight apparently :-X
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is real. It just goes to show how cynical Tyrone really are. It would just be like them to feign support for a straight red card knowing full well that people would deem that a step too far. This allows them to oppose the black card while maintaining the illusion that they are "tough" on cynicism.
sickening, sickening cynicism. Tyrone are truly a cancer on the game.
What have Mayo got this year that is spooking the shite out of teams and making them implode before a ball is kicked? Rory Gallagher had some comical outburst but that was just one guy showing the strain,at least it can be put down to that.This is on another level altogether,its pretty desperate,has to be said.They must think the rest of the country are beyond dumb.This will backfire big time,just like the Donegal mind games.I must say im enjoying it a bit though,the Mayo players wont even see or hear of this,such is their focus this wont even regeister on the radar.We play to or near our potential,we win,simple as.
Mayo will win this by a bagful but this match doesn't matter.
It's what Mayo do against Dublin or Kerry in the final that matters. Beating Tyrone won't be anything to go shouting from the rooftops about.
Was any of the Tyrone posters at the press night last night?
Theoretical question, if an RTE reporter had of travelled up would they have turned him away? Obviously BBC NI reported live from it & I heard there was a big crowd of journalists at it. But just wondering what the RTE position was...
That regretful FACT sheet has nothing to do with Mayo and the upcoming game. We've given up any thoughts of defeating the Horan juggernaut.
It seems to be a Tyrone camp v media thingy.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
That regretful FACT sheet has nothing to do with Mayo and the upcoming game. We've given up any thoughts of defeating the Horan juggernaut.
It seems to be a Tyrone camp v media thingy.
Harte has been doing this a lot longer than McGuinness. I am expecting the counter insurgency to be in full flow by tuesday.
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Yep, RTE to uncover illegitimate tea-making ring in Tattyreagh.
So Rafa is from Tyrone? Who knew?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2013, 10:17:45 AM
So Rafa is from Tyrone? Who knew?
In that case I hope we don't score 3 goals in the 1st half.
Yep, RTE to uncover illegitimate tea-making ring in Tattyreagh.
them feckin darcys hi be in everythin
has anyone told the mayo squad that cromwell is dead?
Quote from: SuperHo on August 15, 2013, 10:29:13 AM
Yep, RTE to uncover illegitimate tea-making ring in Tattyreagh.
them feckin darcys hi be in everythin
has anyone told the mayo squad that cromwell is dead?
The plan is to tell them in October.
Quote from: muppet on August 15, 2013, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
That regretful FACT sheet has nothing to do with Mayo and the upcoming game. We've given up any thoughts of defeating the Horan juggernaut.
It seems to be a Tyrone camp v media thingy.
Harte has been doing this a lot longer than McGuinness. I am expecting the counter insurgency to be in full flow by tuesday.
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Correct. The somewhat unprofessional finish has allowed it to be ridiculed in some quarters and gained much more attention than a fully polished document. Most media sources commenting on it, whether good or bad !
Quote from: Bensars on August 15, 2013, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 15, 2013, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
That regretful FACT sheet has nothing to do with Mayo and the upcoming game. We've given up any thoughts of defeating the Horan juggernaut.
It seems to be a Tyrone camp v media thingy.
Harte has been doing this a lot longer than McGuinness. I am expecting the counter insurgency to be in full flow by tuesday.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2837510/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-o.gif)
Correct. The somewhat unprofessional finish has allowed it to be ridiculed in some quarters and gained much more attention than a fully polished document. Most media sources commenting on it, whether good or bad !
Production of any kind of document like that was always going to draw ridicule!!! Silly sill mistake which makes Tyrone look petty and naive.
They maybe felt they had to comment (The siege mentality) but the reality is they should have mounted a charm offensive with Cavanagh and Harte and any player who can handle himself in the media dismissing the Brolly/cynical fouling thing as a minor incident that hasn't affected their preparations for the Mayo game.
Most people have conceded that Brolly shouldn't have singled out Tyrone about the cynical fouling and now Tyrone have just placed themselves front and centre of the debate!!! Very silly move imho
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 10:10:25 AM
Yep, RTE to uncover illegitimate tea-making ring in Tattyreagh.
I thought everyone was
illeg ileg imgel ah, a bunch of mad busterds up there. ;D
(Memo to myself: Stop reading what lawnseed is putting up here. His way of spelling things might be contagious.)
Quote from: screenexile on August 15, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 15, 2013, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 15, 2013, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
That regretful FACT sheet has nothing to do with Mayo and the upcoming game. We've given up any thoughts of defeating the Horan juggernaut.
It seems to be a Tyrone camp v media thingy.
Harte has been doing this a lot longer than McGuinness. I am expecting the counter insurgency to be in full flow by tuesday.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2837510/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-o.gif)
Correct. The somewhat unprofessional finish has allowed it to be ridiculed in some quarters and gained much more attention than a fully polished document. Most media sources commenting on it, whether good or bad !
Production of any kind of document like that was always going to draw ridicule!!! Silly sill mistake which makes Tyrone look petty and naive.
They maybe felt they had to comment (The siege mentality) but the reality is they should have mounted a charm offensive with Cavanagh and Harte and any player who can handle himself in the media dismissing the Brolly/cynical fouling thing as a minor incident that hasn't affected their preparations for the Mayo game.
Most people have conceded that Brolly shouldn't have singled out Tyrone about the cynical fouling and now Tyrone have just placed themselves front and centre of the debate!!! Very silly move imho
To be honest Brolly was correct in his logic of choosing Tyrone, they're the big boys and took cynical play to a new level of systematic brilliance. Just making a generic statement on cynical play has far less impact than really digging into what the actions of one of the most influential counties in the last twenty years really have meant.
Clearly Tyrone are big enough to defend themselves and, yes, they should have to defend themselves, even if they've done so in an all-time questionable manner.
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Can't really argue with that.
I would..........ridiculous price!
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 01:08:16 PM
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Can't really argue with that.
Lovely Mayo jersey-must be new,designed specially for the final
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 01:08:16 PM
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Can't really argue with that.
Arra, I wouldn't pay too much heed to them bookie fellas.
Sure they have to say something, don't they?
Maybe they're laying off bets big time- probably to some shrewd hoors in Tyrone.
Either they do or they don't; makes no odds because feckin' few will bother to bet anyway.
I was on the phone to the bro in Ballina and I asked him if there was any buzz about the place.
"Ah," sez he, "ya wouldn't know there was a game comin' up at all. An odd flag here and there that someone forget to take down. Most of them couldn't find whadda you call it again on a map, never mind gettin' excited about them."
"Same as that," sez I, "But you'll be welcome to a bed if you bother coming up."
"Arra no," sez he," I'll wait for the game in September before I'd bother me arse going near Dublin."
"Fair enough, " sez I," Sure, I'd be the very same if I was in your shoes. See ya in September then and don't forget to bring a few bob with ya fore the oul' pissup."
"Of course I will," sez he, "Isn't that the reason why things are so quiet down here. Everyone is waiting for the celebrations to start."
"Keep the faith. See ya in September."
"Never lost it yet and I won't be losin' it now."
O'Neill,you're a bloody troll if there ever was one.
Where did ya get these stories about Mayo people leppin' out their skins to have a crack at ye?
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Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 01:08:16 PM
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Can't really argue with that.
Arra, I wouldn't pay too much heed to them bookie fellas.
Sure they have to say something, don't they?
Maybe they're laying off bets big time- probably to some shrewd hoors in Tyrone.
Either they do or they don't; makes no odds because feckin' few will bother to bet anyway.
I was on the phone to the bro in Ballina and I asked him if there was any buzz about the place.
"Ah," sez he, "ya wouldn't know there was a game comin' up at all. An odd flag here and there that someone forget to take down. Most of them couldn't find whadda you call it again on a map, never mind gettin' excited about them."
"Same as that," sez I, "But you'll be welcome to a bed if you bother coming up."
"Arra no," sez he," I'll wait for the game in September before I'd bother me arse going near Dublin."
"Fair enough, " sez I," Sure, I'd be the very same if I was in your shoes. See ya in September then and don't forget to bring a few bob with ya fore the oul' pissup."
"Of course I will," sez he, "Isn't that the reason why things are so quiet down here. Everyone is waiting for the celebrations to start."
"Keep the faith. See ya in September."
"Never lost it yet and I won't be losin' it now."
O'Neill,you're a bloody troll if there ever was one.
Where did ya get these stories about Mayo people leppin' out their skins to have a crack at ye?
Typical Mayo arrogance thinking that the rest of us give a shite about a conversation he had with his "bro". Unbelievable!
Careful now O'Neill, thats the kind of thing the Evening Herald or Sunday World will pick up on and think is real, before you know it people will be ringing yer man from Ballina who owns the trumpet shop (Ballina Bugles Ltd - "quality horns for all") who his source in the backroom team is
Why pussy foot about? I am confident of a Tyrone win to be honest, had a good year so far and losing Penrose is a blessing in disguise. The league is a long time over but when I think back to the Mayo game Tyrone were pretty much in control that day too. Wee buns
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 15, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
Why pussy foot about? I am confident of a Tyrone win to be honest, had a good year so far and losing Penrose is a blessing in disguise. The league is a long time over but when I think back to the Mayo game Tyrone were pretty much in control that day too. Wee buns
Yeooow....now we're sucking diesel!
Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2013, 09:50:21 AM
Mayo will win this by a bagful but this match doesn't matter.
It's what Mayo do against Dublin or Kerry in the final that matters. Beating Tyrone won't be anything to go shouting from the rooftops about.
True. Mayo have got into a habit of defeating defending All Ireland champions and winning semi finals however can they break the habit of losing All Ireland finals?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 15, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2013, 09:50:21 AM
Mayo will win this by a bagful but this match doesn't matter.
It's what Mayo do against Dublin or Kerry in the final that matters. Beating Tyrone won't be anything to go shouting from the rooftops about.
True. Mayo have got into a habit of defeating defending All Ireland champions and winning semi finals however can they break the habit of losing All Ireland finals?
Tyrone have a good habit of winning All Ireland Semi-Finals too.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 15, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
Why pussy foot about? I am confident of a Tyrone win to be honest, had a good year so far and losing Penrose is a blessing in disguise. The league is a long time over but when I think back to the Mayo game Tyrone were pretty much in control that day too. Wee buns
Good man - 10 tens days to go - time to flick the switch.
Do we fear Mayo - of course we effin don't. Every year we back Mayo when Tyrone go out and what happens? They shite in the nest. The morning of the All-Ireland we're wishing them well. 20 mins in and it's feck Mayo - yiz deserve that hammering.
They could well dung the togs again - fall to pieces like they did against us with 20 mins to go in 2008. Ricey stared them all in the eye and managed to stir their natural tendency towards ineptitude. One wee man from Dromore did that.
Tyrone by 1.
Tyrone's experience of winning All Irelands combined with the undoubted motivation given to them by the media/gaa in the last few weeks has to leave us a dangerous team going in next week.
As usual when Tyrone do well the usual has started that the players are no good and its the system etc. But to me a system will only get you so far as has been shown in recent years. To have reached a league final and be in the semi's you have to have decent players too. I think people underestimated this year what a difference a fully fit Sean Cavanagh would do for the team. That combined with the continued development of some of the younger players has brought us on considerably.
I witnessed first hand the Mayo Donegal game and I must admit they were brilliant particularly in the first half. How much of it was down to Donegal we won't know until next week. It will be interesting to see how they cope if Tyrone get the pressure on them and they don't pull away. They haven't played a competitive game since the league. I do think we're generous enough odds at 3/1 but it will take a hell of an effort to get over the line next week.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
Tyrone's experience of winning All Irelands combined with the undoubted motivation given to them by the media/gaa in the last few weeks has to leave us a dangerous team going in next week.
As usual when Tyrone do well the usual has started that the players are no good and its the system etc. But to me a system will only get you so far as has been shown in recent years. To have reached a league final and be in the semi's you have to have decent players too. I think people underestimated this year what a difference a fully fit Sean Cavanagh would do for the team. That combined with the continued development of some of the younger players has brought us on considerably.
I witnessed first hand the Mayo Donegal game and I must admit they were brilliant particularly in the first half. How much of it was down to Donegal we won't know until next week. It will be interesting to see how they cope if Tyrone get the pressure on them and they don't pull away. They haven't played a competitive game since the league. I do think we're generous enough odds at 3/1 but it will take a hell of an effort to get over the line next week.
Yeah, but seemingly only to yourselves given this week's show-and-tell.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 15, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
Why pussy foot about? I am confident of a Tyrone win to be honest, had a good year so far and losing Penrose is a blessing in disguise. The league is a long time over but when I think back to the Mayo game Tyrone were pretty much in control that day too. Wee buns
Good man - 10 tens days to go - time to flick the switch.
Do we fear Mayo - of course we effin don't. Every year we back Mayo when Tyrone go out and what happens? They shite in the nest. The morning of the All-Ireland we're wishing them well. 20 mins in and it's feck Mayo - yiz deserve that hammering.
They could well dung the togs again - fall to pieces like they did against us with 20 mins to go in 2008. Ricey stared them all in the eye and managed to stir their natural tendency towards ineptitude. One wee man from Dromore did that.
Tyrone by 1.
Both teams have a record of
3 times - successful
All other times - "They shite in the nest"
Ricey is as relevent as The Flying Doctor nowadays.
1951.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 15, 2013, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 15, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2013, 09:50:21 AM
Mayo will win this by a bagful but this match doesn't matter.
It's what Mayo do against Dublin or Kerry in the final that matters. Beating Tyrone won't be anything to go shouting from the rooftops about.
True. Mayo have got into a habit of defeating defending All Ireland champions and winning semi finals however can they break the habit of losing All Ireland finals?
Tyrone have a good habit of winning All Ireland Semi-Finals too.
Wasn't a habit those Tyrone sides were good enough to win All Ireland titles. This current Tyrone side have got into a habit of struggling past inferior teams and then hammered by top five side as the last two championship exits to Kerry,Dublin has proved.
Do any of our more aged members remember Mayo's win?
Lar? Hardy?
I'm really looking forward to this game next weekend. Tyrone with numerous former all stars and a wealth of experience of producing under pressure against a fresh looking Mayo team who appear as powerful and ruthless a team as I have seen ever to come out of Connacht.
Sean Cavanagh only got a point in their meeting back in the league. Mayo wiped Tyrone from kickouts that day but still lost by a last minute goal. I imagine Tyrone feel if they can curb Mayo's domination at midfield they could win this game. It's unlikely though the way O'Shea is going.
It will be very interesting to see how Mickey Harte approaches this one, knowing that Mayo don't look to have been tested so far in the championship. I imagine Mayo will get a bit of a shock early on, and steady the ship after half time. Mayo by 4 in the end.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
Do any of our more aged members remember Mayo's win?
Lar? Hardy?
Did you mean to type Laurel and Hardy ?
How would Laurel and Hardy remember Mayo's last win ?
Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2013, 05:42:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
Do any of our more aged members remember Mayo's win?
Lar? Hardy?
Did you mean to type Laurel and Hardy ?
How would Laurel and Hardy remember Mayo's last win ?
They were in the half back line.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 15, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
Why pussy foot about? I am confident of a Tyrone win to be honest, had a good year so far and losing Penrose is a blessing in disguise. The league is a long time over but when I think back to the Mayo game Tyrone were pretty much in control that day too. Wee buns
Good man - 10 tens days to go - time to flick the switch.
Do we fear Mayo - of course we effin don't. Every year we back Mayo when Tyrone go out and what happens? They shite in the nest. The morning of the All-Ireland we're wishing them well. 20 mins in and it's feck Mayo - yiz deserve that hammering.
They could well dung the togs again - fall to pieces like they did against us with 20 mins to go in 2008. Ricey stared them all in the eye and managed to stir their natural tendency towards ineptitude. One wee man from Dromore did that.
Tyrone by 1.
You had the same script last year before the Kerry match. Tyrone are not good enough yet.
This Mayo team will play them off the pitch.
2008 is a very long time ago. When Tyrone last won the all Ireland the average free state house price was north of 250K.
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Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2013, 05:42:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
Do any of our more aged members remember Mayo's win?
Lar? Hardy?
Did you mean to type Laurel and Hardy ?
How would Laurel and Hardy remember Mayo's last win ?
They were in the half back line.
Did they play for in any subsequent finals ?
Quote from: seafoid on August 15, 2013, 05:50:15 PM
You had the same script last year before the Kerry match.
No I didn't.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21912.msg1134806#msg1134806
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 05:57:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 15, 2013, 05:50:15 PM
You had the same script last year before the Kerry match.
No I didn't.
oooohhh yyyyeeeessss yooou did!
See above.
Seafoid is making things up. Typical Dub
See Micky harte has come up with an interesting defense for gormley and Penrose. He says you have to judge the whole incident and take into account what has been said to the players. I'm not sure that'll stand up in court for you Micky as a defence for striking and attempted striking.
Quote from: lenny on August 15, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
See Micky harte has come up with an interesting defense for gormley and Penrose. He says you have to judge the whole incident and take into account what has been said to the players. I'm not sure that'll stand up in court for you Micky as a defence for striking and attempted striking.
Its called con - text.
When ONeill is optimistic, I'm officially worried. The Ballina Bugler is not full of bullshit, bet on it.
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Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 14, 2013, 09:37:33 PM
Would love to see a breakdown of fouls by type! Compare lifting the ball off the ground with a rugby type tackle---both fouls.
+1
It's not how often but how significant the cynicism is at a particular stage of the game. While there is a certain antipathy to Ulster or 'the north' among many southerners, it's wrong to say this is generally the case. This 'anti-Tyrone' feeling has arisen from how good they are at it.
A red or black card doesn't make much difference in the last few minutes of the game. The arguments against the black card are valid. It won't make much difference. The only thing I can see that will stop a rugby tackle, when a player is one on one with the keeper is a penalty goal. Another suggestion by the head of the Munster board, from Kerry I think, was also interesting - legalise the 'rugby tackle.
I think it's pretty clear what 'have been fouled' and 'have fouled the opposition' means. Surely you're not going to be 'cynical' about this letter, eh?
This particular Tyrone team has been blackened by the sort of unfounded statement that I have highlighted in your comment about the anti-Tyrone feeling. And when you have the Southern media backing it up, you have a huge anti-Tyrone GAA feeling amongst a hell of a lot of people-I have seen it here in Limerick this past few weeks-a neutral county in the debate. It's very disheartening after the general goodwill that there was round here in 2005, 2008.
You can talk about whingeing and moaning, etc. but there is something more serious at play here where you have elite amateur athletes being consistently dragged over the coals and publicly tainted on one team only!. We're sick to the teeth of the double standards at this stage.
It simply wouldn't happen in hurling and while Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke aren't saying much these days, they have a lot to answer for by whinging and cribbing through grimaces about aspects of play that they didn't like in the previous decade-God, we'll miss Michael michael o muircheartaigh!
Whoever the statistician for Tyrone he/she doesn't make it clear. Seamus Darby wouldn't have scored the winner for Offaly if Kerry played the way Tyrone play now, and they were no angels. Football followers turned a blind eye to Canavan's antics against Kerry when they hadn't won an All-Ireland. Sorry, but now you've got three you can expect to be judged on the same basis as others. Also, you'll find that Gaels in Down and Derry, argue that Tyrone have perfected cynicism, so don't overplay the north / south thing.
Please note the classic rugby tackle from a Kerryman on 2:40 in this clip that actually gave Offaly the change to get the ball in, a cynical rugby tackle in midfield that backfired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kba6NYKQH5k
Quote from: lenny on August 15, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
See Micky harte has come up with an interesting defense for gormley and Penrose. He says you have to judge the whole incident and take into account what has been said to the players. I'm not sure that'll stand up in court for you Micky as a defence for striking and attempted striking.
Is retaliation not down as a red card anyway? Correct me if I'm wrong on this!
Quote from: lenny on August 15, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
See Micky harte has come up with an interesting defense for gormley and Penrose. He says you have to judge the whole incident and take into account what has been said to the players. I'm not sure that'll stand up in court for you Micky as a defence for striking and attempted striking.
Thats no defence however viewing the incidents i think Gormley has a case i don't think Penrose has.
(http://balls.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/penrosestrike1.gif)
(http://balls.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/gormleystrike.gif)
The two of them had walked on like they should have, we wouldnt even be having this discussion. Mickey Harte been over tyrone along time but he never had a word with a few players who have previous discipline issues. he should have had a word with Gormley / Ricey years ago,
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
See above.
Seafoid is making things up. Typical Dub
The board is usually a good source of info. I read consistently that Tyrone were going to give Kerry a match last year.
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Quote from: Whishtup on August 14, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
There's nothing worse than a (wounded)Kerry cynic. Why would red be step too far? What are ye afraid of down there?
I did not say a red card would be a step too far. I said the cynical Tymoanie delegates knew that a straight red would gain no support so they falsely, cynically, proposed it knowing full well that it would be ignored so that they would appear tough on cynicism.
I would fully support a straight red if it helps rid our games of the likes of Cavanagh with his horrible rugby tackles.
We need to be supporting pure bred footballers like Colm Cooper to express their inherent superiority over journeyman workhorses like Cavanagh. Its the only way forward for the game.
I've no doubt Kerry would love to rid the game of Sean Cavanagh. You haven't managed to beat a Tyrone team with him in it in the championship.
Yeah, he made sure he avoided that arse kicking we gave ye in Killarney....I suppose he was feigning injury or something.
Chuck Norris wouldn't have bate Kerry that day-years of hurt poisened the beautiful backdrop of Killarney-I was there, I felt it.........animals.....
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2013, 11:29:45 PM
Yeah, he made sure he avoided that arse kicking we gave ye in Killarney....I suppose he was feigning injury or something.
Have you ever played in an overflowing zoo?
the tyrone cronies never cease to amaze me, appealling the bans on gormface and penfold. The both slapped other lads in the lads, red card end of story.
Same as ricey putting his knees in john macs throat. Takes some gumption to pretend to not have done anything wrong, can people not admit their guilt?
Quote from: Orchardman on August 15, 2013, 08:21:23 PMSame as ricey putting his knees in john macs throat.
Still crying over that? ;D
Fifty pages, ten days before a ball is kicked. God knows what this place was like in 2003.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
When ONeill is optimistic, I'm officially worried. The Ballina Bugler is not full of bullshit, bet on it.
Optimistic about the lacking intestinal fortitude of the whesterners. Whether our lads have the talent to exploit it is another matter.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
When ONeill is optimistic, I'm officially worried. The Ballina Bugler is not full of bullshit, bet on it.
Optimistic about the lacking intestinal fortitude of the whesterners. Whether our lads have the talent to exploit it is another matter.
Interesting, you obviously concede on footballing grounds.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 15, 2013, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on August 15, 2013, 08:21:23 PMSame as ricey putting his knees in john macs throat.
Still crying over that? ;D
Yes in terms of getting shameful bans overturned! they even called up john mac to get him to support the thing, sure the Macs are that sound they would just yes and not have a big thing made of it.
It was probably the worst thing ive seen on the field, along with the ball tickle of galvin but it was funny
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
When ONeill is optimistic, I'm officially worried. The Ballina Bugler is not full of bullshit, bet on it.
Optimistic about the lacking intestinal fortitude of the whesterners. Whether our lads have the talent to exploit it is another matter.
Misplaced optimism as always Logie ,sorry I mean O'Neill though maybe this is the weakness of the keyboard warrior ::)
Plenty of intestinal fortitude here in Mayo just lacking consistency ,composure , sanity , sobriety , money , gameful employment and All Ireland titles to name a few ;D
Come to the think of it you are not overburdened with All Ireland titles yourselves( you have the same as us and Louth) which as Rafa ( and the Tyrone Co Board) would say is a fact so come back to me when you have passed out football giants like Tipperary or have achieved back to back titles like ourselves and our slightly less brilliant neighbors Roscommon!!! ; ;)
Ease up on the Tyrone-bashing lads.
It's just tiresome at this stage.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 15, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
Ease up on the Tyrone-bashing lads.
It's just tiresome at this stage.
Sound Jinxy should we talk about 1996 , just so the Tyrone boys could join in as well ? ;D
Gormley plays. :D
Yeah - Jerome Quinn reporting that
QuoteBREAKING GAA NEWS - Conor Gormley cleared! According to sources in Tyrone, it was announced at a County Board meeting tonight.
Follow me @JeromeQuinn on Twitter if I get more and on Penrose, tho that's really pushing it!
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
When ONeill is optimistic, I'm officially worried. The Ballina Bugler is not full of bullshit, bet on it.
Optimistic about the lacking intestinal fortitude of the whesterners. Whether our lads have the talent to exploit it is another matter.
the Mayo lads won't be let down by intestinal fortitude.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 15, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Yeah - Jerome Quinn reporting that
QuoteBREAKING GAA NEWS - Conor Gormley cleared! According to sources in Tyrone, it was announced at a County Board meeting tonight.
Good stuff hopefully this will be the end of citing by the Sunday game/Brolly and the end of the Father Ted Esq CCCC so hopefully resulting in a proper citing procedure.
Great stuff, we wouldn't want those Mayo Buckos thinking that they hadn't done it the hard way! ;) :)
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 15, 2013, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 15, 2013, 09:09:04 PM
Gormley plays. :D
Well done the TCB Legal Department.
He did not deserve to be suspended so justice is done. Simples.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 15, 2013, 09:28:32 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 15, 2013, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 15, 2013, 09:09:04 PM
Gormley plays. :D
Well done the TCB Legal Department.
He did not deserve to be suspended so justice is done. Simples.
The whole thing stinks (time-lag between video-viewing and issuing of sanction, random nature of videos actually viewed, total lack of transparency). Still, thankful for small mercies.
I feel the humble power of the simple written statement of facts has had the effect of some people seeing sense. Dont worry about tyrone lads we hail from a county where our members were often discriminated against for generations. We never expected the behaviour of so called fellow gaa members but disrimination takes many forms and is nothing new to us but you will not make us lie down and take it. I think the idea that gaa people are bonded together by ideals is under real threat by rtes gaa coverage. i see joe brolly as a silly arse but he now will carry the message for rtes anti gaa brigade. He will understand the craic within the next 5 years. Shame
Yid feel sorry for them Mayo buckaroodleyjimmymebobs. When all the attention should be on the best team they've ever had, they've been forgotten about amongst Brolly/Penrose/Brollygate. Psychologically, they're fecked!
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
When ONeill is optimistic, I'm officially worried. The Ballina Bugler is not full of bullshit, bet on it.
Optimistic about the lacking intestinal fortitude of the whesterners. Whether our lads have the talent to exploit it is another matter.
LOL x 100 ;D
Quote from: Whishtup on August 15, 2013, 09:47:12 PM
Yid feel sorry for them Mayo buckaroodleyjimmymebobs. When all the attention should be on the best team they've ever had, they've been forgotten about amongst Brolly/Penrose/Brollygate. Psychologically, they're fecked!
MWR doesn't cover O'Neill's Tyrone feed.
And Mike Denver never sings about it.
Quote from: seafoid on August 15, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 15, 2013, 09:47:12 PM
Yid feel sorry for them Mayo buckaroodleyjimmymebobs. When all the attention should be on the best team they've ever had, they've been forgotten about amongst Brolly/Penrose/Brollygate. Psychologically, they're fecked!
MWR doesn't cover O'Neill's Tyrone feed.
And Mike Denver never sings about it.
Even the sheep'd be talkin about this, though...
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 15, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Yeah - Jerome Quinn reporting that
QuoteBREAKING GAA NEWS - Conor Gormley cleared! According to sources in Tyrone, it was announced at a County Board meeting tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7p-RLFg2I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7p-RLFg2I)
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Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2013, 09:42:20 PM
I feel the humble power of the simple written statement of facts has had the effect of some people seeing sense. Dont worry about tyrone lads we hail from a county where our members were often discriminated against for generations. We never expected the behaviour of so called fellow gaa members but disrimination takes many forms and is nothing new to us but you will not make us lie down and take it. I think the idea that gaa people are bonded together by ideals is under real threat by rte and ryle nugents gaa coverage. i see joe brolly as a silly arse but he now will carry the message for rtes anti gaa brigade. He will understand the craic within the next 5 years. Shame
Good man. Keep her lit, the world is agin ye!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 15, 2013, 10:02:30 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 15, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Yeah - Jerome Quinn reporting that
QuoteBREAKING GAA NEWS - Conor Gormley cleared! According to sources in Tyrone, it was announced at a County Board meeting tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7p-RLFg2I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7p-RLFg2I)
Lol..
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2013, 09:42:20 PM
I feel the humble power of the simple written statement of facts has had the effect of some people seeing sense. Dont worry about tyrone lads we hail from a county where our members were often discriminated against for generations. We never expected the behaviour of so called fellow gaa members but disrimination takes many forms and is nothing new to us but you will not make us lie down and take it. I think the idea that gaa people are bonded together by ideals is under real threat by rtes gaa coverage. i see joe brolly as a silly arse but he now will carry the message for rtes anti gaa brigade. He will understand the craic within the next 5 years. Shame
All that Tyrone A4 sheet of "facts" was missing was a declaration of "No Surrender - We Are The People!".
Quote from: EC Unique on August 15, 2013, 09:09:04 PM
Gormley plays. :D
Ah good stuff! Don't know why he was suspended in the first place. If there was an issue with him it should have been sown up the Monday morning after the game not 10 days later. Very poor administration. Looking forward to seeing him play on Sunday week.
A little bit of reminiscing...
Mc Menamin recalls 'Surreal' Mayo match
SHOCKED supporters could hardly contemplate what they had just witnessed during the opening minutes of Tyrone's clash against Mayo nine years ago.
High expectations, of course, surrounded the prospects of the Red Hands. As All-Ireland champions, hopes were high that they would confidently dispose of the challenge posed by the Connacht men.
But then the carefully laid preparations were thrown into disarray. Fermanagh's victory over Armagh in the curtain-raiser had just sent shockwaves around Croke Park. Now, all bets were off and the Mayo men capitalised in fine fashion in their clash with Tyrone.
Ryan McMenamin remembers the game well, and the atmosphere which permeated the stands as the All-Ireland Quarter Final got underway.
"The Mayo game [in 2004] was a strange game, a surreal game," remarked the Dromore man.
"Fermanagh had just beat Armagh and that had an impact.
"We took our eye off the ball. We were guilty of getting ahead of ourselves and thinking that if we won we would be playing Fermanagh.
"On the day Mayo were just a better team.
"We felt that we were in a good place, we felt that we were well prepared, but it was just one of those days."
Mayo went on to defeat Fermanagh after a replay in the All-Ireland semi-final, but then collapsed completely in the final against Kerry. No wonder, then, that 2004 is very much viewed as a missed opportunity for Mickey Harte and his players.
But there's no doubt that the surprise outcome of the curtain-raiser and the manner in which it was achieved affected the mood and ultimately Tyrone's fortunes.
"I haven't really thought about it that much because it was one of those days that you would just like to forget. It was hard to explain.
"There was a brilliant atmosphere before the game. There was a big hoopla with Fermanagh winning. When we went out, nothing went right for us. It was just one of those games.
"Everything that we did was wrong. I don't remember much from the game, but I remember walking off the field and thinking that it was an All-Ireland title that we left behind us."
From the Strabane Chronicle.
Quote from: seafoid on August 15, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 15, 2013, 09:47:12 PM
Yid feel sorry for them Mayo buckaroodleyjimmymebobs. When all the attention should be on the best team they've ever had, they've been forgotten about amongst Brolly/Penrose/Brollygate. Psychologically, they're fecked!
MWR doesn't cover O'Neill's Tyrone feed.
And Mike Denver never sings about it.
We might be mucksavages in Mayo but Mike Denver is your mucksavage seafoid being a Portuma man. 8)
I'm sure there are another few twishteens in the taileroo before the game. Y'know, the usual freakish injury or controversy that precedes big Tyrone games. For now, we'll breathe out.
Yeah, lads, we won't forget about FACT that fast.
Swirling clouds. Rain forecast.
In fairness to the mayo fellas they are the most likeable guys on this board. Couldn't be bate by nicer.
Justice has been done! - Makes you wonder how the CCC arrived at it's decision in the first place.
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2013, 11:03:01 PM
In fairness to the mayo fellas they are the most likeable guys on this board. Couldn't be bate by nicer.
:'(
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2013, 11:03:01 PM
In fairness to the mayo fellas they are the most likeable guys on this board. Couldn't be bate by nicer.
That's an excellent dig, but it's too subtle for Mayo posters to get.
Mayo and Horan's nerves must be shot after the last 24 hours.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
Mayo and Horan's nerves must be shot after the last 24 hours.
Sssh, we're to pretend they're against us!
Good news on Gormley. Can't see anything other than a Tyrone win now!
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
Mayo and Horan's nerves must be shot after the last 24 hours.
I'd say as we speak he is going through his rubbish to find the 'how to deal with Gormley' tome.
PS anyone know a way to get rid of these pesky Rosquitos? They are all over the thread.
Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2013, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2013, 11:03:01 PM
In fairness to the mayo fellas they are the most likeable guys on this board. Couldn't be bate by nicer.
That's an excellent dig, but it's too subtle for Mayo posters to get.
Just like it is too subtle for the Rossies to cop on to the fact that in Gaa terms Ballagh is in Mayo ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
Mayo and Horan's nerves must be shot after the last 24 hours.
He got the airport bus from Ballina this evening to catch a plane to Boston last I heard. Just to get away from the hype and pressure. The call is about to go out to the king of Mayo falling flat on their faces type performances John Maughan just to get with programme! :'(
Gormless plays, great news.
Didn't Gormley get busted in the face by a ball that day in 2004 and have to be subbed off early doors?
Incidentally - that was the last game I ever saw live in Croke Park :-[
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 16, 2013, 01:59:00 AM
Didn't Gormley get busted in the face by a ball that day in 2004 and have to be subbed off early doors?
Incidentally - that was the last game I ever saw live in Croke Park :-[
Ah ladeen, now's you're chance. Pick a semi to go to and you're good.
Have mayo actually bate Tyrone when Gormley has been on the field. I wonder how horan plans to contain Gormley. Smart man he has seen mayo flounder so many times on so many big days he has removed the mentally weaker players like Mortimer and replaced them with guys who have very little upstairs but are pure winners. Used to be mayo would be bate before the ball was thrown in as guys heads would go. Nowadays in the morning of a game what might prove to be the dumbest group of Nora s ever to win Sam have been tweaked and over coached to perform as robots. It's important that every county looks on and scans the intermediate schools for guys who can be play gaeiic.
Has there ever been a day of such dramatic u turns in the six counties as yesterday?
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2013, 06:18:55 AM
Have mayo actually bate Tyrone when Gormley has been on the field. I wonder how horan plans to contain Gormley. Smart man he has seen mayo flounder so many times on so many big days he has removed the mentally weaker players like Mortimer and replaced them with guys who have very little upstairs but are pure winners. Used to be mayo would be bate before the ball was thrown in as guys heads would go. Nowadays in the morning of a game what might prove to be the dumbest group of Nora s ever to win Sam have been tweaked and over coached to perform as robots. It's important that every county looks on and scans the intermediate schools for guys who can be play gaeiic.
Is Gormley El Cid?
I see Tyrone were to appeal Penrose' ban as well. Any word on how that went? I would not expect him to get off as he did indeed swing where as Gormley did not. I also hope he is not available as it will force Mickey into a change which IMO is a good thing..
Penrose 1 match ban still stands
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2013, 10:08:35 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2013, 09:42:20 PM
I feel the humble power of the simple written statement of facts has had the effect of some people seeing sense. Dont worry about tyrone lads we hail from a county where our members were often discriminated against for generations. We never expected the behaviour of so called fellow gaa members but disrimination takes many forms and is nothing new to us but you will not make us lie down and take it. I think the idea that gaa people are bonded together by ideals is under real threat by rte and ryle nugents gaa coverage. i see joe brolly as a silly arse but he now will carry the message for rtes anti gaa brigade. He will understand the craic within the next 5 years. Shame
Good man. Keep her lit, the world is agin ye!
Ye Mayo lads must understand that there is a hierarchy of football victim teams and Tyrone are top of it.
Hawkeye has been reprogrammed to adjudicate on any strikes or attempted strikes by Gormley.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
Hawkeye has been reprogrammed to adjudicate on any strikes or attempted strikes by Gormley.
And it has been renamed ShiteHawk.
Quote from: Bensars on August 16, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
Penrose 1 match ban still stands
I think Mayo should appeal that.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2013, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
Hawkeye has been reprogrammed to adjudicate on any strikes or attempted strikes by Gormley.
And it has been renamed ShiteHawk Blackeye.
So is that the end of it now I'm glad if it is, doesn't really bother me that Tyrone can break the rules,then spit the dummy and get away with it. We in Mayo are well used of second class treatment, it goes back hundreds of years , to half quote Cromwell , to hell with it , we'll just get on with the job in hand.
Is everything else ok for ye now, we don't want anymore fact sheets or anything else for that matter, is our jersey colour ok? Do ye want the hill? What dressing room do ye want? We will leave the Croke park hotel for Tyrone only if that would help ye have more comfort from a supporters perspective. Whatever ye want we will accommodate , our players have also been advised to take a turn the other cheek attitude , so ye can box away and sure ye will be available for the final anyway through the appeal system designed for Mickey and his boys if there is need.
Back to the game, will Tom Cunniffe be fit to play and if not does that mean the experiment with Higgins at half forward is over? So will it be Carolan that'll start in forwards if Cunniffe is out.
No wonder there's no green and red sheep in Mayo, they are too busy painting their shoes
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRu-sroCMAAuJ5R.jpg:large)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 16, 2013, 11:08:58 AM
No wonder there's no green and red sheep in Mayo, they are too busy painting their shoes
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRu-sroCMAAuJ5R.jpg:large)
I'll take 4 pairs please.
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2013, 06:18:55 AM
Have mayo actually bate Tyrone when Gormley has been on the field. I wonder how horan plans to contain Gormley. Smart man he has seen mayo flounder so many times on so many big days he has removed the mentally weaker players like Mortimer and replaced them with guys who have very little upstairs but are pure winners. Used to be mayo would be bate before the ball was thrown in as guys heads would go. Nowadays in the morning of a game what might prove to be the dumbest group of Nora s ever to win Sam have been tweaked and over coached to perform as robots. It's important that every county looks on and scans the intermediate schools for guys who can be play gaeiic.
Whats an intermediate school?
Quote from: iorras on August 16, 2013, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2013, 06:18:55 AM
Have mayo actually bate Tyrone when Gormley has been on the field. I wonder how horan plans to contain Gormley. Smart man he has seen mayo flounder so many times on so many big days he has removed the mentally weaker players like Mortimer and replaced them with guys who have very little upstairs but are pure winners. Used to be mayo would be bate before the ball was thrown in as guys heads would go. Nowadays in the morning of a game what might prove to be the dumbest group of Nora s ever to win Sam have been tweaked and over coached to perform as robots. It's important that every county looks on and scans the intermediate schools for guys who can be play gaeiic.
Whats an intermediate school?
For studying blankets, falling with class and pugilism.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 16, 2013, 09:53:09 AM
I see Tyrone were to appeal Penrose' ban as well. Any word on how that went? I would not expect him to get off as he did indeed swing where as Gormley did not. I also hope he is not available as it will force Mickey into a change which IMO is a good thing..
Think that appeal must have been a psychological addition - so that the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC could overturn Gormley's punishment without looking too soft. He was never going to be successful with it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 16, 2013, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2013, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
Hawkeye has been reprogrammed to adjudicate on any strikes or attempted strikes by Gormley.
And it has been renamed ShiteHawk Blackeye.
Very good. ;D
'MISS!'
Not feeling to good about this game it's Tyrones to loose .
Found a better angle of the Tyrone punch, think the CCC might U-turn the U-turn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FKB6K_82Eo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FKB6K_82Eo)
Very Good ;D
Quote from: iorras on August 16, 2013, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2013, 06:18:55 AM
Have mayo actually bate Tyrone when Gormley has been on the field. I wonder how horan plans to contain Gormley. Smart man he has seen mayo flounder so many times on so many big days he has removed the mentally weaker players like Mortimer and replaced them with guys who have very little upstairs but are pure winners. Used to be mayo would be bate before the ball was thrown in as guys heads would go. Nowadays in the morning of a game what might prove to be the dumbest group of Nora s ever to win Sam have been tweaked and over coached to perform as robots. It's important that every county looks on and scans the intermediate schools for guys who can be play gaeiic.
Whats an intermediate school?
it's where guys who can be play gaeiic go
Quote from: the deel rover Mark2 on August 16, 2013, 12:27:40 PM
Not feeling to good about this game it's Tyrones to loose .
Somebody call Hardy. Quick.
Quote from: sheamy on August 16, 2013, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 16, 2013, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2013, 06:18:55 AM
Have mayo actually bate Tyrone when Gormley has been on the field. I wonder how horan plans to contain Gormley. Smart man he has seen mayo flounder so many times on so many big days he has removed the mentally weaker players like Mortimer and replaced them with guys who have very little upstairs but are pure winners. Used to be mayo would be bate before the ball was thrown in as guys heads would go. Nowadays in the morning of a game what might prove to be the dumbest group of Nora s ever to win Sam have been tweaked and over coached to perform as robots. It's important that every county looks on and scans the intermediate schools for guys who can be play gaeiic.
Whats an intermediate school?
it's where guys who can be play gaeiic go
Did you go there yourself?
The arrogance of Tyrone...putting their name up first!
Quote from: sheamy on August 16, 2013, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 16, 2013, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2013, 06:18:55 AM
Have mayo actually bate Tyrone when Gormley has been on the field. I wonder how horan plans to contain Gormley. Smart man he has seen mayo flounder so many times on so many big days he has removed the mentally weaker players like Mortimer and replaced them with guys who have very little upstairs but are pure winners. Used to be mayo would be bate before the ball was thrown in as guys heads would go. Nowadays in the morning of a game what might prove to be the dumbest group of Nora s ever to win Sam have been tweaked and over coached to perform as robots. It's important that every county looks on and scans the intermediate schools for guys who can be play gaeiic.
Whats an intermediate school?
it's where guys who can be play gaeiic go
So where do the lads that play Gaelic go to school? ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 15, 2013, 11:48:42 PM
Good news on Gormley. Can't see anything other than a Tyrone win now!
Yeah, this changes everything?
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
Mayo and Horan's nerves must be shot after the last 24 hours.
Yeah,if all fairness he wasnt the only one,i mean the opening episode of the new Breaking Bad was serious stuff.
Getting back to football I can't see many changes on the Tyrone unless Joe McMahon or Stevie O'Neill are injured. If they make the only change could be the Penrose. If McNabb is fit enough I think he'll take his place but it would be a bit of a risk. The next most likely player to go would be McCurry who could lose out to Ronan O'Neill or even someone like McAliskey but thats less likely. If he wanted to mix it up a bit he could go with something like this:
McConnell
Gormley
Clarke
McCarron
McGinley
Joe McMahon
Harte
Sean Cav
Cassidy
Colm Cav
Mark Donnelly
McNabb
Stevie O'Neill
Mattie Donnelly (given freedom to come out like Cavanagh in 08)
Ronan O'Neill
However can't see Cassidy starting and he'll want Joe as an extra defender coming from half forward.
What's the story with Justy now? Is he fully fit again?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2013, 04:22:33 PM
What's the story with Justy now? Is he fully fit again?
Played full game for the club at the weekend. Would love to see him get a full year injury free, he hasn't been the same this last couple of years.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 16, 2013, 11:06:15 AM
Back to the game, will Tom Cunniffe be fit to play and if not does that mean the experiment with Higgins at half forward is over? So will it be Carolan that'll start in forwards if Cunniffe is out.
He's not back training yet, still being monitored by the medical team, but is expected to be training soon enough.
Yeah, I'd say the experiment will be over if Cunniffe is out for the Tyrone game.
How the hell is this thread at 55, and the other semi a grand total of 6, Dublin s a big place but not too many on here, on the other hand there seems to be an awful of tyrone posters on here, is the seanie johnston 100+thread under threat!!
Of the 55 pages so far the breakdown is as follows:
25% of non-Tyrone Ulster posters claiming Tyrone will be well beaten
18% Gormley/Penrose/Cavanagh related posts
15% Mayo supporters predicting to scrape a win
15% Rosquitos buzzing around being a nuisance
15% Tyrone supporters saying they will win by 1 - 3 points
5% Mayo Mick and co predicting a massacre
5% O'Neill (the Rosquitos could be him too)
2% people posting odds
1% Dubs pretending not to be worried about this match
(1% margin of error)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 16, 2013, 08:03:45 PM
How the hell is this thread at 55, and the other semi a grand total of 6,
No Ulster teams in our semi final.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2013, 08:14:23 PM
Of the 55 pages so far the breakdown is as follows:
25% of non-Tyrone Ulster posters claiming Tyrone will be well beaten
18% Gormley/Penrose/Cavanagh related posts
15% Mayo supporters predicting to scrape a win
15% Rosquitos buzzing around being a nuisance
15% Tyrone supporters saying they will win by 1 - 3 points
5% Mayo Mick and co predicting a massacre
5% O'Neill (the Rosquitos could be him too)
2% people posting odds
1% Dubs pretending not to be worried about this match
(1% margin of error)
You're severely under-representing the big-time, drink-fuelled Mayo confidence of the likes of Larryin, Lar and Kitnap among others, Mupp.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 16, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 16, 2013, 08:03:45 PM
How the hell is this thread at 55, and the other semi a grand total of 6,
No Ulster teams in our semi final.
And no Mayo lads to slag them! ;D
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2013, 08:14:23 PM
Of the 55 pages so far the breakdown is as follows:
25% of non-Tyrone Ulster posters claiming Tyrone will be well beaten
18% Gormley/Penrose/Cavanagh related posts
15% Mayo supporters predicting to scrape a win
15% Rosquitos buzzing around being a nuisance
15% Tyrone supporters saying they will win by 1 - 3 points
5% Mayo Mick and co predicting a massacre
5% O'Neill (the Rosquitos could be him too)
2% people posting odds
1% Dubs pretending not to be worried about this match
(1% margin of error)
Rosquito. Class!
Tyrone's formation for the 25'th.
(http://cdn3.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article29454012.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20130728_SFA_001_28405632_I1.JPG)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 16, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Tyrone's formation for the 25'th.
(http://cdn3.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article29454012.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20130728_SFA_001_28405632_I1.JPG)
We have been doing a lot of work on our offensive strategies, looks like it's paying off.
Have they all got the beards in Tyrone still?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Have they all got the beards in Tyrone still?
The women or the men?
What is the great Oracle Logie got to say about this game. Tyrone by a 25 points!
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Can't wait to get tore into Mayo now.
I think waiting on the sidelines seeing Tyrone hogging national word space has mesmerised them - like a child at Disneyland.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
I assume the lad not starting. Just a guess.
Tyrone to win Sam outright-9/1
Sean Cavanagh player of the year-9/1
A nice double.
Add Tyrone v Kerry final-10/1
A nice treble.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Neither will make semi,our 2011 first choice is doing stand in,always had good keepers in Mayo.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2013, 12:32:41 AM
Tyrone to win Sam outright-9/1
Sean Cavanagh player of the year-9/1
A nice double.
Add Tyrone v Kerry final-10/1
A nice treble.
Related bets. No bookmaker would accept such multiples unless there was a special combined price.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2013, 01:05:54 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2013, 12:32:41 AM
Tyrone to win Sam outright-9/1
Sean Cavanagh player of the year-9/1
A nice double.
Add Tyrone v Kerry final-10/1
A nice treble.
Related bets. No bookmaker would accept such multiples unless there was a special combined price.
Considering the lunacy of the bets, you'll find plenty of bookies laying this and will probably give bigger odds as well. To me the odds should be something akin to winning the lotto on a Saturday night for this treble to come in.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 12:13:35 AM
What is the great Oracle Logie got to say about this game. Tyrone by a 25 points!
Logie!
Never heard of the lad til his now infamous preview on the Donegal game.Its one thing to get a prediction wrong but to be so wrong on so many things in a two minute clip is a talent.Love to hear his opinions on Tyrone Mayo or indeed anything he has said since.
Quote from: orangeman on August 17, 2013, 01:10:41 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2013, 01:05:54 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2013, 12:32:41 AM
Tyrone to win Sam outright-9/1
Sean Cavanagh player of the year-9/1
A nice double.
Add Tyrone v Kerry final-10/1
A nice treble.
Related bets. No bookmaker would accept such multiples unless there was a special combined price.
Considering the lunacy of the bets, you'll find plenty of bookies laying this and will probably give bigger odds as well. To me the odds should be something akin to winning the lotto on a Saturday night for this treble to come in.
QuoteMultiple bets are not accepted where the outcome of one event contributes wholly or partly to the outcome of another.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:11:11 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 12:13:35 AM
What is the great Oracle Logie got to say about this game. Tyrone by a 25 points!
Logie!
Never heard of the lad til his now infamous preview on the Donegal game.Its one thing to get a prediction wrong but to be so wrong on so many things in a two minute clip is a talent.Love to hear his opinions on Tyrone Mayo or indeed anything he has said since.
Had never heard of him before this myself, but he has made a name for himself with Mayo folk. Maybe he our Joe Brolly!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Hennelly is a top notch goalie, he is defo top county goalie standard. Just happens we have 3 of them. The depth of quality players in all the positions in this Mayo team is something James Horan has to be pleased with. I like the fact that he plays club with the O'Shea brothers therefore making the terrible two in the middle even more effective than their own remarkable skill and strength alone. It gives a Cluxtonesque added advantage.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Thats loose talk from a Rossie, you know a few drops of water and the Shannon sumerges half your county for about 4 months.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Thats loose talk from a Rossie, you know a few drops of water and the Shannon sumerges half your county for about 4 months.
It shows how few trips over our greatest river you've taken if you think the Shannon is even bothered by a John Maughan-sized flow of dribble.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Thats loose talk from a Rossie, you know a few drops of water and the Shannon sumerges half your county for about 4 months.
It shows how few trips over our greatest river you've taken if you think the Shannon is even bothered by a John Maughan-sized flow of dribble.
Haha you deleted the second part of your post.
Knock - Dublin 8)
http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx (http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx)
Come back to us when you Rossies build yourself an International Airport like us.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Indeed,
Look,bottom line is you're from Roscommon,this is a football forum,there is no more to say.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:49:47 AM
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Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Thats loose talk from a Rossie, you know a few drops of water and the Shannon sumerges half your county for about 4 months.
It shows how few trips over our greatest river you've taken if you think the Shannon is even bothered by a John Maughan-sized flow of dribble.
Haha you deleted the second part of your post.
Knock - Dublin 8)
http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx (http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx)
Come back to us when you Rossies build yourself an International Airport like us.
Haven't a clue what you're on about. Bad whiskey?
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Thats loose talk from a Rossie, you know a few drops of water and the Shannon sumerges half your county for about 4 months.
It shows how few trips over our greatest river you've taken if you think the Shannon is even bothered by a John Maughan-sized flow of dribble.
Haha you deleted the second part of your post.
Knock - Dublin 8)
http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx (http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx)
Come back to us when you Rossies build yourself an International Airport like us.
Haven't a clue what you're on about. Bad whiskey?
You originally included a bit about having to drive through Roscommon. You're not going to play the stupid card are you ;)
Nope not alcohol, just a cuppa tae
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Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Thats loose talk from a Rossie, you know a few drops of water and the Shannon sumerges half your county for about 4 months.
It shows how few trips over our greatest river you've taken if you think the Shannon is even bothered by a John Maughan-sized flow of dribble.
Haha you deleted the second part of your post.
Knock - Dublin 8)
http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx (http://www.irelandwestairport.com/destinations/flights_to_dublin.aspx)
Come back to us when you Rossies build yourself an International Airport like us.
Haven't a clue what you're on about. Bad whiskey?
You originally included a bit about having to drive through Roscommon. You're not going to play the stupid card are you ;)
Nope not alcohol, just a cuppa tae
You must be imagining things. May God help you.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 02:05:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Indeed,
Look,bottom line is you're from Roscommon,this is a football forum,there is no more to say.
No comeback no?
Ah well,ye have yer sheep,ye have yer .............erm... well sin e.
No coastline,Not even a Connacht county
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 02:44:03 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 02:05:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Indeed,
Look,bottom line is you're from Roscommon,this is a football forum,there is no more to say.
No comeback no?
Ah well,ye have yer sheep,ye have yer .............erm... well sin e.
No coastline,Not even a Connacht county
Hold your horses, I'm working on one.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 02:45:18 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 02:44:03 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 02:05:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Indeed,
Look,bottom line is you're from Roscommon,this is a football forum,there is no more to say.
No comeback no?
Ah well,ye have yer sheep,ye have yer .............erm... well sin e.
No coastline,Not even a Connacht county
Hold your horses, I'm working on one.
Too much information Syf.
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V
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There we go. All my bases covered.
The link looks like you pulled a bird in the local nightclub who wasn't forthcoming on her monthly cycle.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 02:45:18 AM
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Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 02:05:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 17, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
What's the current story with the Mayo goalies?
I ask in terms of who's the weakest under the high ball.
Clarke and O'Malley are injured.
Hennelly is the Breaffy goalie and probably was 3'rd choice, but he knows how to deliver the ball the way the O'Shea brothers of Breaffy like.
Hennelly was the first choice under Horan in 2011,did well then,scored a few frees as well.Good goalie and amazing that all this year when you hear teams whinging about injuries and suspensions you dont hear a peep that the two Mayo first choice keepers are out.
Cry me a river.
Indeed,
Look,bottom line is you're from Roscommon,this is a football forum,there is no more to say.
No comeback no?
Ah well,ye have yer sheep,ye have yer .............erm... well sin e.
No coastline,Not even a Connacht county
Hold your horses, I'm working on one.
Know you're not a bad lad and have been reading this site long time before i posted
But tell me ,which horse are ya working on? the stable is getting jumpy.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 02:49:57 AM
The link looks like you pulled a bird in the local nightclub who wasn't forthcoming on her monthly cycle.
Looks like the state of an average Tyrone player's hand after a match to me.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 02:51:42 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 02:49:57 AM
The link looks like you pulled a bird in the local nightclub who wasn't forthcoming on her monthly cycle.
Looks like the state of an average Tyrone player's hand after a match to me.
Sure.
Logie rant from a month ago, withering on about Tyrone and something about Kerry having the fear of playing Armagh or something like that ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 03:09:39 AM
Logie rant from a month ago, withering on about Tyrone and something about Kerry having the fear of playing Armagh or something like that ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo)
These Tyrone lads are awful touchy. If they had to play in Connacht they might learn how traditional footballing counties conduct themselves.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 03:39:04 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 03:09:39 AM
Logie rant from a month ago, withering on about Tyrone and something about Kerry having the fear of playing Armagh or something like that ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo)
These Tyrone lads are awful touchy. If they had to play in Connacht they might learn how traditional footballing counties conduct themselves.
This made me laugh! It's good craic having the banter with the Mayo lads as its relevant and they actually seem like a passionate bunch, who happen to potentially have an excellent football team to boast about. But irrelevant Rossies, hijacking the thread to somehow try and bask in the reflected glory of their neighbours, are hard to take serious.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 03:39:04 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 03:09:39 AM
Logie rant from a month ago, withering on about Tyrone and something about Kerry having the fear of playing Armagh or something like that ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo)
These Tyrone lads are awful touchy. If they had to play in Connacht they might learn how traditional footballing counties conduct themselves.
This made me laugh! It's good craic having the banter with the Mayo lads as its relevant and they actually seem like a passionate bunch, who happen to potentially have an excellent football team to boast about. But irrelevant Rossies, hijacking the thread to somehow try and bask in the reflected glory of their neighbours, are hard to take serious.
I normally ignore syfin, Benny, but in this case the fact is that Ros have twice as many All Irelands as Armagh. Allowing for the time value of money would widen the gap even further.
Why the name of Jesus don't people just use the ignore button on Syferus?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2013, 05:11:18 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 03:39:04 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 03:09:39 AM
Logie rant from a month ago, withering on about Tyrone and something about Kerry having the fear of playing Armagh or something like that ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo)
These Tyrone lads are awful touchy. If they had to play in Connacht they might learn how traditional footballing counties conduct themselves.
This made me laugh! It's good craic having the banter with the Mayo lads as its relevant and they actually seem like a passionate bunch, who happen to potentially have an excellent football team to boast about. But irrelevant Rossies, hijacking the thread to somehow try and bask in the reflected glory of their neighbours, are hard to take serious.
That all they have.God love them,a sh1te county and a tenuous link to Andy Moran.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2013, 07:56:18 AM
Why the name of Jesus don't people just use the ignore button on Syferus?
Unsuspecting Northern tourists passing through during the summer months are particularly vulnerable.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2013, 07:56:18 AM
Why the name of Jesus don't people just use the ignore button on Syferus?
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2013, 07:56:18 AM
Why the name of Jesus don't people just use the ignore button on Syferus?
Syferus, although often annoying with the Rossie stuff, can offer some decent posts. He is GAA and Rossie mad. I take him as i get him.
Unlike other posters who come and go depending on the success of their respective counties. Like it or not Syferus sticks around because he loves the game!
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2013, 07:56:18 AM
Why the name of Jesus don't people just use the ignore button on Syferus?
Syferus, although often annoying with the Rossie stuff, can offer some decent posts. He is GAA and Rossie mad. I take him as i get him.
Unlike other posters who come and go depending on the success of their respective counties. Like it or not Syferus sticks buzzes around because he loves the game! has nothing better to do.
There now, fixed that for ya! ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2013, 05:11:18 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 03:39:04 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 17, 2013, 03:09:39 AM
Logie rant from a month ago, withering on about Tyrone and something about Kerry having the fear of playing Armagh or something like that ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAWBDHdIUo)
These Tyrone lads are awful touchy. If they had to play in Connacht they might learn how traditional footballing counties conduct themselves.
This made me laugh! It's good craic having the banter with the Mayo lads as its relevant and they actually seem like a passionate bunch, who happen to potentially have an excellent football team to boast about. But irrelevant Rossies, hijacking the thread to somehow try and bask in the reflected glory of their neighbours, are hard to take serious.
It's bad enough on the internet Benny but try living beside them in real life ;D ;.
Yer man Logie might be a bit touched but a lot of what he said in that rant was fairly true.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 17, 2013, 01:14:47 AM
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Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2013, 12:32:41 AM
Tyrone to win Sam outright-9/1
Sean Cavanagh player of the year-9/1
A nice double.
Add Tyrone v Kerry final-10/1
A nice treble.
Related bets. No bookmaker would accept such multiples unless there was a special combined price.
Considering the lunacy of the bets, you'll find plenty of bookies laying this and will probably give bigger odds as well. To me the odds should be something akin to winning the lotto on a Saturday night for this treble to come in.
QuoteMultiple bets are not accepted where the outcome of one event contributes wholly or partly to the outcome of another.
Feck. There goes the roof for the garden shed.
Mickey thinks Mayo are alright - http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/24742
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2013, 01:39:36 PM
Mickey thinks Mayo are alright - http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/24742
Someone tell Ronan O'Neill he forgot to put the phone to his ear. Easy thing to do with the camera rolling.
Can the Mayo lads make out Conor Gormley in his video?
Important to know in case he wants to ask about parentage etc next week.
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
Can the Mayo lads make out Conor Gormley in his video?
Important to know in case he wants to ask about parentage etc next week.
So that is why Brian Dooher is so well thought of. No one could understand his sledging.
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
Can the Mayo lads make out Conor Gormley in his video?
Important to know in case he wants to ask about parentage etc next week.
The Rossies will claim him.
I see Liston is still throwing some bombs in the rhubarbs' direction.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
I see Liston is still throwing some bombs in the rhubarbs' direction.
Yip, seems Tyrone should just quit now and Mayo have no forwards ::)
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Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
I see Liston is still throwing some bombs in the rhubarbs' direction.
Yip, seems Tyrone should just quit now and Mayo have no forwards ::)
Ah yeah, has to fill the pages. Look what do we want him to say? He's pretty much calling it from a Kerry point of view. Dublin look nice and we don't want them to win it. Mayo look nice and we know they won't win it. And Tyrone don't look nice and we hope ta f#@k they don't win it. ;)
On Mayo he said
''Do they have a Michael Murphy, a Gooch or a Bernard Brogan in their ranks.'' Fat good Murphy or Brogan would do us this season, their form has been horrible.
Padraig brogan??
There is a big game in him next week......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ
Loathe as I am to admit it, COC is making all three of those 'marque' forwards look second-rate this season.
Let's be fair, Bomber was the one highlighting Mayo's full-back line (you know, the one with two incumbent All-Stars) as one of their two big weaknesses before the the Galway game.
While it is great to see CoC back I think the praise of his performances have been slightly skewed by his goal return. TBF most junior B forwards would have bagged three quarters of his goals and half of these were scored again them might of London.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2013, 07:35:52 AM
While it is great to see CoC back I think the praise of his performances have been slightly skewed by his goal return. TBF most junior B forwards would have bagged three quarters of his goals and half of these were scored again them might of London.
Have to agree with the praise of his performances being slightly skewed by his goal return. But in fairness the goals were scored, you have to be in the right place , have the composure or have the skill to make the space and put them away. No one has said he is the next Gooch or this or the other. But if next Sunday Tyrone fans heard he could not play, I'd say there would be a lift in the belief of ye beating us.
It's neither here nor there what the bomber has to say really, the vast majority of these ex players that have columns all have an agenda and furthermore most don't have much of a clue anyway.
4-16, 0-21, 5-11 and 4-17 against the all Ireland champions , sure who gives a f**k about "marquee" forwards.
Also on COC , he has improved 30% imo since last season in his contribution from play.
I was thinking 28%.
Well he is 5% older than he was last year! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2013, 11:20:40 AM
I was thinking 28%.
Very good but his contribution from play has improved is the point.
Quote from: give her dixie on August 18, 2013, 02:51:21 AM
There is a big game in him next week......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ
Excellent!
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Quote from: give her dixie on August 18, 2013, 02:51:21 AM
There is a big game in him next week......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ
Excellent!
Alan Carr and Delamare are tyrone buckos ??????
Draw.
1-16 to 2-13.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23747052?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23747052?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
As good a player interview as I've read this while. Interesting comments as regards 03 and taking 45's!
Quote from: trileacman on August 18, 2013, 07:42:01 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23747052?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23747052?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
As good a player interview as I've read this while. Interesting comments as regards 03 and taking 45's!
Have to say Pascal McConnell said little or nothing in that interview. And I'd expect no less from an senior player a week or so coming into a big game.
I see Cononr Mortimor tweeting that this time next week they should be talking about how they beat Tyrone and get the plans in place for the few weeks leading up to the All Ireland. Assume he's on the wind up?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 18, 2013, 08:27:21 PM
I see Cononr Mortimor tweeting that this time next week they should be talking about how they beat Tyrone and get the plans in place for the few weeks leading up to the All Ireland. Assume he's on the wind up?
Like me or you he has nothing to do with the current setup. Just an observer looking from the outside.
Flip - just watched Mayo's rout of Donegal again.
Gulp.
We've played nowhere near that level.
All the Tyrone interviews on the teamtalk website are really playing down Tyrone's chances-only really talk about how to stop Mayo and try to keep close to them on the scoreboard. Going by this are we going to see an uber-defensive display from Tyrone a la Donegal v Dubs 2 years ago?
Quote from: trileacman on August 18, 2013, 07:42:01 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23747052?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23747052?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
As good a player interview as I've read this while. Interesting comments as regards 03 and taking 45's!
What are you smoking?
Quote from: Whishtup on August 18, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
All the Tyrone interviews on the teamtalk website are really playing down Tyrone's chances-only really talk about how to stop Mayo and try to keep close to them on the scoreboard. Going by this are we going to see an uber-defensive display from Tyrone a la Donegal v Dubs 2 years ago?
That'd require the other team not to run away with it and force Tyrone to run themselves legless trying to chase the game, and that would be some achievement.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 18, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
All the Tyrone interviews on the teamtalk website are really playing down Tyrone's chances-only really talk about how to stop Mayo and try to keep close to them on the scoreboard. Going by this are we going to see an uber-defensive display from Tyrone a la Donegal v Dubs 2 years ago?
Would doubt it. If anything I think Tyrone will be working on improving the attacking side of it. In recent games we've played well in patches when attacking at pace and getting forward. The problem has been we've sat back for long periods in the game and brought the opposition on to us. I'd like to think we'll still get men back but also attack in numbers. I think we'll see a considerable jump in the intensity of the Tyrone game for this. The 3 week break after 5 tough weeks on the road won't have done any harm.
Watching Mayo the last day would scare you. But during the league at times watching Dublin would also have scared you and they were expected to hammer us twice yet there was nothing in it over 2 games. People have continually written off league form but its not coincidental that 3 of the semi finalists were in the league semis. And even Kerry improved as the league went on. I've a sneaky feeling we could get a repeat of the league final in the All Ireland final.
It's great to see McConnell back starting in an All Ireland semi final this year. To me he showed a great deal of unselfishness this year and showed that he was in it for the benefit of the squad not himself. Having been the first choice (or close to it) keeper for so long he easily could have walked away this year when he only got one start in the McKenna Cup and league despite being the ulster keeper. Instead he kept the head down and backed Morgan and said he wanted to pass on as much knowledge to him as possible and settle him in.
It's the speed and direction of the Mayo attack that was very impressive. 55 mins of perfection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykDJ5D3w9I
Upped a notch now.
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykDJ5D3w9I
Upped a notch now.
The boxer butchered.
Someone had said they observed that Andy Moran wore the number 13 shirt in the Connacht final. Against Donegal he wore 15.
Reason:
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Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2013, 08:37:50 PM
Flip - just watched Mayo's rout of Donegal again.
Gulp.
We've played nowhere near that level.
Gulp.
We've never put back to back performances like that in Croke Park.
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykDJ5D3w9I
Upped a notch now.
Speechless after listening to the cracker of a song from Datsun . That's 4 minutes of my life that I'll never get back .Don't think I'll ever hear the lyrics "six pack on a six pack" in a another song as long as I live. Can ye boys do any better than that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=174-r8p2hJc
A mayo tune for a change .
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 08:00:21 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykDJ5D3w9I
Upped a notch now.
Speechless after listening to the cracker of a song from Datsun . That's 4 minutes of my life that I'll never get back .Don't think I'll ever hear the lyrics "six pack on a six pack" in a another song as long as I live. Can ye boys do any better than that?
what a pile of shite...though no doubt it will knock Nathan Carter and his mudering of OCMS Wagon Wheel of the Galbally top 10...yerooooo!
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=174-r8p2hJc
A mayo tune for a change .
Holy Moses, that effort is even cornier than Datsun's!
If Mayo play football like that crowd play music, we'll all be doomed; doomed. I tell ye!! ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 19, 2013, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=174-r8p2hJc
A mayo tune for a change .
Holy Moses, that effort is even cornier than Datsun's!
If Mayo play football like that crowd play music, we'll all be doomed; doomed. I tell ye!! ;D
Leave the doom and gloom to me. I much prefer doing it! :D
My great uncle is from Salthill in Mayo so we're very excited about this.
I wrote 2 pomes in haiku form with the theme of hands:
MAYO
They won't laugh at us
When Sam is lifted to sky
By Mayo hands, see.
TYRONE
Rugby basterds YOU!
Your filthy hands are pure muck
GO HOME! Up to North
Excellent poem there,
Your great uncle would be very proud ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 19, 2013, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=174-r8p2hJc
A mayo tune for a change .
Holy Moses, that effort is even cornier than Datsun's!
If Mayo play football like that crowd play music, we'll all be doomed; doomed. I tell ye!! ;D
Leave the doom and gloom to me. I much prefer doing it! :D
Believe it or not, Farr, I wa thinking of you when I wrote that. ;D
My last line was going to be, "If Farr even listens to that, he won't snap out of it until pigs start flying about the place."
Quote from: Olly on August 19, 2013, 12:47:18 PM
My great uncle is from Salthill in Mayo so we're very excited about this.
I wrote 2 pomes in haiku form with the theme of hands:
MAYO
They won't laugh at us
When Sam is lifted to sky
By Mayo hands, see.
TYRONE
Rugby basterds YOU!
Your filthy hands are pure muck
GO HOME! Up to North
Powerful stuff Olly. Is there a Salthill in Mayo?
Quote from: Olly on August 19, 2013, 12:47:18 PM
My great uncle is from Salthill in Mayo so we're very excited about this.
I wrote 2 pomes in haiku form with the theme of hands:
MAYO
They won't laugh at us
When Sam is lifted to sky
By Mayo hands, see.
TYRONE
Rugby basterds YOU!
Your filthy hands are pure muck
GO HOME! Up to North
Olly, you are to poetry as a bull is to a china shop. ;D
Now that it is the week of the match maybe we could talk a bit of sense on the thread?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 18, 2013, 08:47:14 PM
Would doubt it. If anything I think Tyrone will be working on improving the attacking side of it. In recent games we've played well in patches when attacking at pace and getting forward. The problem has been we've sat back for long periods in the game and brought the opposition on to us. I'd like to think we'll still get men back but also attack in numbers. I think we'll see a considerable jump in the intensity of the Tyrone game for this. The 3 week break after 5 tough weeks on the road won't have done any harm.
Indeed, I am sure Mickey will be hoping for something like 2008 when Tyrone made their way through the qualifiers pretty much under the radar. There were some good spells in each game but some very mixed stuff too and Tyrone were written off going into the quarter final against a much hyped Dublin. The momentum picked up, followed by a wee break before the Dublin game, did Tyrone a world of good though they ended up putting together their best performance since 2005 to hammer the Dubs 3-14 to 1-8.
We would need something like that again this weekend, but you would have to seriously question the capability of this Tyrone side to reach that level. I'd wager Mayo have more about them than that Dublin team too, although I'd still like to see how they react to being in a really close game. The collapse against the Dubs last year might give you a bit of hope too.
Ultimately I think Mickey has done really well to get this team to a league final and an All-Ireland semi, but I think it's very much a functional team and I doubt they can go up another level. I'd love to be proved wrong though :D.
We'll have to move the ball much faster in to O'Neill and McCurry. Surely Sean won't get another free rein to do the forwards' jobs for them as well as midfield.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 19, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
Now that it is the week of the match maybe we could talk a bit of sense on the thread?
Wishful thinking Ec wishful thinking.
Quote from: Olly on August 19, 2013, 12:47:18 PM
My great uncle is from Salthill in Mayo so we're very excited about this.
I wrote 2 pomes in haiku form with the theme of hands:
MAYO
They won't laugh at us
When Sam is lifted to sky
By Mayo hands, see.
TYRONE
Rugby basterds YOU!
Your filthy hands are pure muck
GO HOME! Up to North
You have a way with words.
Salthill has always been a stronghold for Mayo football too.
Ya wouldn't think there was an Ai Semi Final on this weekend never seen fewer flags around the place suppose it's the same in Tyrone ?
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 02:55:42 PM
Ya wouldn't think there was an Ai Semi Final on this weekend never seen fewer flags around the place suppose it's the same in Tyrone ?
Very few flags up in Tyrone too Deel, both are awaiting the outcome of Sunday it seems! ;)
Mayo have to figure out some way of stopping Cavanagh... Tom Cunniffe's fitness could be a key aspect in all of this. If he is fit, it will allow us to play Keith Higgins at wing forward again.
Higgins could take up a role that would allow him to attack and defend depending on the situation and also get in close to Cavanagh when needed. If we can get Higgins in Cavanagh's line of sight, we may be able to disrupt his attacking game, force him into a defensive game, where he needs to be mindful of Higgins burning it up through the middle.
If we dont manage to curtail Cavanagh, it could go pear shaped for us.. Another big performance from him will inspire those around him.. (from watching the videos on the tyrone website, his team mates have massive respect for him). He has to be the focus for Horan and Co this week.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 02:55:42 PM
Ya wouldn't think there was an Ai Semi Final on this weekend never seen fewer flags around the place suppose it's the same in Tyrone ?
Never seen the likes before around parts of rural east Mayo, flags on every second house is not an exaggeration.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 02:55:42 PM
Ya wouldn't think there was an Ai Semi Final on this weekend never seen fewer flags around the place suppose it's the same in Tyrone ?
Very few flags up in Tyrone too Deel, both are awaiting the outcome of Sunday it seems! ;)
It appears to be Fear :) . Apart from the banter on the board nobody I meet has even mentioned the game.I bet ye boys have the city west booked for the 3rd Sunday in September though ;)
I see our dear friend Eamon McGee tipping Tyrone in the Indo today because Mayo have not been tested. By McGees rationale Mayo have to be beaten before they have been "tested".
Deel Rover - You must call into the house if you are passing...the flag will be out on Sunday ;)
Quote from: ballinaman on August 19, 2013, 03:04:31 PM
I see our dear friend Eamon McGee tipping Tyrone in the Indo today because Mayo have not been tested. By McGees rationale Mayo have to be beaten before they have been "tested".
Deel Rover - You must call into the house if you are passing...the flag will be out on Sunday ;)
Sound Ballinaman will do have the fry on good man .
Quote from: ballinaman on August 19, 2013, 03:04:31 PM
I see our dear friend Eamon McGee tipping Tyrone in the Indo today because Mayo have not been tested. By McGees rationale Mayo have to be beaten before they have been "tested".
Deel Rover - You must call into the house if you are passing...the flag will be out on Sunday ;)
Don't worry too much, there's a AI final coming up next month.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 03:02:01 PM
...I bet ye boys have the city west booked for the 3rd Sunday in September though ;)
;) Can't be too full of foresightedness! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 19, 2013, 03:02:01 PM
...I bet ye boys have the city west booked for the 3rd Sunday in September though ;)
;) Can't be too full of foresightedness! ;)
In order to avert a potential T Fearon mistake...the final's actually the 4th Sunday in Sep.
How's the PLI (Painted Livestock Index) looking in both counties?
Quote from: Rois on August 19, 2013, 04:33:16 PM
In order to avert a potential T Fearon mistake...the final's actually the 4th Sunday in Sep.
Indeed, 'tis a five-Sunday September! :)
Is this the first time in GAA history that 2 brothers will play 2 brothers in midfield on Croke Park?
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 08:26:24 PM
Is this the first time in GAA history that 2 brothers will play 2 brothers in midfield on Croke Park?
Probably not! Don't really care!
Quiz questions to do with the game:
In the last 25 years how many senior all ireland finals have Mayo played in?
counting the senior ladies finals to?
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 09:29:32 PM
Quiz questions to do with the game:
In the last 25 years how many senior all ireland finals have Mayo played in?
Six finals plus one replayed final
How Many players on both teams hold All stars that play on Sunday?
So how many from the 2008 minor final are likely to play a part on Sunday? McNabb, Matty Donnelly, Petey Harte and possibly Kyle Coney for Tyrone? What about Mayo - is it just Aiden O'Shea and Keane?
Tyrone: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Pickering (capt); S MacRory, P Harte, R McNabb; N McKenna (0-01), M Rogers; C Gervin (0-03), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-01); K Coney, P McNeice (0-06, 1f), C O'Neill (0-03, 3f).
Subs used: R Tierney for MacRory (50 mins), S Warnock for Rogers (53), B McGarvey for McNabb (55).
Mayo: R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (capt) (0-01); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-04), A O'Shea (0-02), R Geraghty (0-01); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-04, 3f), A Corduff (0-01).
Subs used: D Gavin (0-01) for Charlton (39 mins), D O'Hara for Geraghty (50).
If it's a draw this Sunday, replay presumably the next Sat 31st?
This thread will be upto 150 pages then.
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 09:29:32 PM
Quiz questions to do with the game:
In the last 25 years how many senior all ireland finals have Mayo played in?
Are you lining us up for one of those good old
''Look how many finals Mayo have played in and have won feck all'' Answers?
Sure you are, it will make you feel better about yourself coming up to the game this weekend.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2013, 09:43:24 PM
So how many from the 2008 minor final are likely to play a part on Sunday? McNabb, Matty Donnelly, Petey Harte and possibly Kyle Coney for Tyrone? What about Mayo - is it just Aiden O'Shea and Keane?
R Hennelly, Yawn!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2013, 09:43:24 PM
So how many from the 2008 minor final are likely to play a part on Sunday? McNabb, Matty Donnelly, Petey Harte and possibly Kyle Coney for Tyrone? What about Mayo - is it just Aiden O'Shea and Keane?
Tyrone: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Pickering (capt); S MacRory, P Harte, R McNabb; N McKenna (0-01), M Rogers; C Gervin (0-03), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-01); K Coney, P McNeice (0-06, 1f), C O'Neill (0-03, 3f).
Subs used: R Tierney for MacRory (50 mins), S Warnock for Rogers (53), B McGarvey for McNabb (55).
Mayo: R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (capt) (0-01); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-04), A O'Shea (0-02), R Geraghty (0-01); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-04, 3f), A Corduff (0-01).
Subs used: D Gavin (0-01) for Charlton (39 mins), D O'Hara for Geraghty (50).
How many of the 2006 Tyrone under 21 Ulster winning team are part of the Squad?
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We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
PS, I have a friend who has two Upper Hogan tickets. She wants to swap for two Lower Hogan tickets. Any takers?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2013, 09:43:24 PM
So how many from the 2008 minor final are likely to play a part on Sunday? McNabb, Matty Donnelly, Petey Harte and possibly Kyle Coney for Tyrone? What about Mayo - is it just Aiden O'Shea and Keane?
Tyrone: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Pickering (capt); S MacRory, P Harte, R McNabb; N McKenna (0-01), M Rogers; C Gervin (0-03), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-01); K Coney, P McNeice (0-06, 1f), C O'Neill (0-03, 3f).
Subs used: R Tierney for MacRory (50 mins), S Warnock for Rogers (53), B McGarvey for McNabb (55).
Mayo: R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (capt) (0-01); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-04), A O'Shea (0-02), R Geraghty (0-01); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-04, 3f), A Corduff (0-01).
Subs used: D Gavin (0-01) for Charlton (39 mins), D O'Hara for Geraghty (50).
How many of the 2006 Tyrone under 21 Ulster winning team are part of the Squad?
Jaysus, you are very touchy! I wasn't even trying to have a dig, was interested how many were involved as it was a fairly good minor final that year. And to answer your question I think only Colm Cavanagh and Justy McMahon, though PJ Quinn was involved earlier in the year.
Interesting that Paddy McNiece got 0-6 that day in 2008 but has mainly been used as a workhorse than a finisher under Mickey.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
PS, I have a friend who has two Upper Hogan tickets. She wants to swap for two Lower Hogan tickets. Any takers?
Where did you come up with that? We win as many as we lose!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
PS, I have a friend who has two Upper Hogan tickets. She wants to swap for two Lower Hogan tickets. Any takers?
Not really a 50% strike rate since 85 in my calculations. 12semis /six wins.
I truly believe Tyrone don't have a hope if Mayo play to their potential, baffled as to how any Mayo supporter could be negative this season unless trying to adopt a bit of cute hoorism malarkey ,which is a load of nonsense too as it has no impact on result . Just gives a man/woman the right to say " told ya so" after , if it went wrong.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
PS, I have a friend who has two Upper Hogan tickets. She wants to swap for two Lower Hogan tickets. Any takers?
Where did you come up with that? We win as many as we lose!
I'm going back since the foundation of the GAA. We've 45 friggin Connacht titles, and only appeared in 13 finals. A terrible strikerate.
64 fcukin pages now :-[
Quote from: larryin89 on August 19, 2013, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
PS, I have a friend who has two Upper Hogan tickets. She wants to swap for two Lower Hogan tickets. Any takers?
Not really a 50% strike rate since 85 in my calculations. 12semis /six wins.
I truly believe Tyrone don't have a hope if Mayo play to their potential, baffled as to how any Mayo supporter could be negative this season unless trying to adopt a bit of cute hoorism malarkey ,which is a load of nonsense too as it has no impact on result . Just gives a man/woman the right to say " told ya so" after , if it went wrong.
100%, it's insurance against a bad day in the office. And feck had we had some?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
1952 to 1988 since Mayo had terrible record at semi final stage not now. Don't need to play as well, one point win will be enough. You are right the break should help Tyrone and they probably have the best manager standing however he doesn't have the players,quality he had in 2003,05,08.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
PS, I have a friend who has two Upper Hogan tickets. She wants to swap for two Lower Hogan tickets. Any takers?
Where did you come up with that? We win as many as we lose!
I'm going back since the foundation of the GAA. We've 45 friggin Connacht titles, and only appeared in 13 finals. A terrible strikerate.
Between 1952 and 1988
A mere 6 semi-final appearances and a 0% success rate in the All-Ireland semi-finals.
Time to quit, all the stats and history say Tyrone.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
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We've a terrible record at semi final stage. I fear this will continue on Sunday. The players will hardly play as well as they did against a Donegal team who were bewildered from the word go. Tyrone will be coming in off a three week break which will suit them down to the ground, as they were under intense pressure at stages in the Monaghan game. It was after all their 4th game in 4 weeks if I'm correct. I have an awful feeling about this game on Sunday. I would gladly be proven wrong, however. If we had Tyrone the following week, we'd have beat them, no doubt about it, but not now. Harte is the best manager standing. He's the only one with the knowledge of how to win an All Ireland as manager into the bargain.
PS, I have a friend who has two Upper Hogan tickets. She wants to swap for two Lower Hogan tickets. Any takers?
Where did you come up with that? We win as many as we lose!
I'm going back since the foundation of the GAA. We've 45 friggin Connacht titles, and only appeared in 13 finals. A terrible strikerate.
Ah Farr, live for today!
Thats just weird, Captain Obvious! :o
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....so many hearts to be broken...
Tyrone have a great love for mayo football and we would love to see them win the all Ireland if they win on Sunday. However if they ruin another all Ireland final we will not be happy. I rate groan highly as a manager the only trophy he is missing is Sam.
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Tyrone have a great love for mayo football and we would love to see them win the all Ireland if they win on Sunday. However if they ruin another all Ireland final we will not be happy. I rate groan highly as a manager the only trophy he is missing is Sam.
groan? Who he?
Horan
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:57:05 PM
Horan
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Tyrone have a great love for mayo football and we would love to see them win the all Ireland if they win on Sunday. However if they ruin another all Ireland final we will not be happy. I rate groan highly as a manager the only trophy he is missing is Sam.
As a Manager there are allot of Trophies he has not won! Cannot understand that comment?
Mayo for Sam on Rose of Tralee now.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:57:05 PM
Horan
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Tyrone have a great love for mayo football and we would love to see them win the all Ireland if they win on Sunday. However if they ruin another all Ireland final we will not be happy. I rate groan highly as a manager the only trophy he is missing is Sam.
As a Manager there are allot of Trophies he has not won! Cannot understand that comment?
Neither of his comments make sense.
Think he is calling him groan coz he not one of those over excitable Ulster managers.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 19, 2013, 10:24:46 PM
Thats just weird, Captain Obvious!
Freaky. Mayo for Sam flags on the Rose of Tralee they won't like that in Kerry.
Edit you got in before me :o
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 19, 2013, 10:24:46 PM
Thats just weird, Captain Obvious! :o
Freaky. Mayo for Sam flags on the Rose of Tralee they won't like that in Kerry.
Are Kerry still in it :o I thought it was Dublin v Mayo/Tyrone.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 19, 2013, 10:24:46 PM
Thats just weird, Captain Obvious!
Freaky. Mayo for Sam flags on the Rose of Tralee they won't like that in Kerry.
Edit you got in before me :o
They won't? Sure they have had many a happy day when there were Mayo Flags around?
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Horan
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Tyrone have a great love for mayo football and we would love to see them win the all Ireland if they win on Sunday. However if they ruin another all Ireland final we will not be happy. I rate groan highly as a manager the only trophy he is missing is Sam.
As a Manager there are allot of Trophies he has not won! Cannot understand that comment?
Neither of his comments make sense.
Think he is calling him groan coz he not one of those over excitable Ulster managers.
no it's called predictive text gone mad. Groan = Horan
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 11:21:30 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 19, 2013, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:57:05 PM
Horan
Quote from: rrhf on August 19, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Tyrone have a great love for mayo football and we would love to see them win the all Ireland if they win on Sunday. However if they ruin another all Ireland final we will not be happy. I rate groan highly as a manager the only trophy he is missing is Sam.
As a Manager there are allot of Trophies he has not won! Cannot understand that comment?
Neither of his comments make sense.
Think he is calling him groan coz he not one of those over excitable Ulster managers.
no it's called predictive text gone mad. Groan = Horan
;D Mayo forgives you .
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 19, 2013, 10:24:46 PM
Thats just weird, Captain Obvious!
Freaky. Mayo for Sam flags on the Rose of Tralee they won't like that in Kerry.
Edit you got in before me :o
They won't? Sure they have had many a happy day when there were Mayo Flags around?
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Saw Malachy O'Rourke today. Must be down in Mayo colluding with James on how to beat Tyrone!
Hi guys,
New video up breaking down some of the key tactical battles between Mayo and Tyrone this Sunday.
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7564
Emmet
Not one team has put it up to Mayo in this years championship, will be interesting to see how they respond when the tough questions are asked by Tyrone.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2013, 10:05:41 PM
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So how many from the 2008 minor final are likely to play a part on Sunday? McNabb, Matty Donnelly, Petey Harte and possibly Kyle Coney for Tyrone? What about Mayo - is it just Aiden O'Shea and Keane?
Tyrone: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Pickering (capt); S MacRory, P Harte, R McNabb; N McKenna (0-01), M Rogers; C Gervin (0-03), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-01); K Coney, P McNeice (0-06, 1f), C O'Neill (0-03, 3f).
Subs used: R Tierney for MacRory (50 mins), S Warnock for Rogers (53), B McGarvey for McNabb (55).
Mayo: R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (capt) (0-01); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-04), A O'Shea (0-02), R Geraghty (0-01); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-04, 3f), A Corduff (0-01).
Subs used: D Gavin (0-01) for Charlton (39 mins), D O'Hara for Geraghty (50).
How many of the 2006 Tyrone under 21 Ulster winning team are part of the Squad?
Jaysus, you are very touchy! I wasn't even trying to have a dig, was interested how many were involved as it was a fairly good minor final that year. And to answer your question I think only Colm Cavanagh and Justy McMahon, though PJ Quinn was involved earlier in the year.
Interesting that Paddy McNiece got 0-6 that day in 2008 but has mainly been used as a workhorse than a finisher under Mickey.
Haven't seen much of McNeice so my impression of him the past year or so has been as a work horse too. Some scoring that day. I think Coney did more in the replay, but the scores that stick out for me were your man Nallys couple of the outside of the left boot. My grape with the current way Tyrone play is that it seems that the instinctiveness and directness towards goal is coached out of the full forward line. Our men seem to be happy to come out to get the ball and continue going towards the half forward line and off-loading, instead of getting the ball and looking to turn their men and go for goals. How many goals have Tyrone scored in the Championship this year and the last few?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2013, 08:36:08 AM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2013, 09:43:24 PM
So how many from the 2008 minor final are likely to play a part on Sunday? McNabb, Matty Donnelly, Petey Harte and possibly Kyle Coney for Tyrone? What about Mayo - is it just Aiden O'Shea and Keane?
Tyrone: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Pickering (capt); S MacRory, P Harte, R McNabb; N McKenna (0-01), M Rogers; C Gervin (0-03), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-01); K Coney, P McNeice (0-06, 1f), C O'Neill (0-03, 3f).
Subs used: R Tierney for MacRory (50 mins), S Warnock for Rogers (53), B McGarvey for McNabb (55).
Mayo: R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (capt) (0-01); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-04), A O'Shea (0-02), R Geraghty (0-01); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-04, 3f), A Corduff (0-01).
Subs used: D Gavin (0-01) for Charlton (39 mins), D O'Hara for Geraghty (50).
How many of the 2006 Tyrone under 21 Ulster winning team are part of the Squad?
Jaysus, you are very touchy! I wasn't even trying to have a dig, was interested how many were involved as it was a fairly good minor final that year. And to answer your question I think only Colm Cavanagh and Justy McMahon, though PJ Quinn was involved earlier in the year.
Interesting that Paddy McNiece got 0-6 that day in 2008 but has mainly been used as a workhorse than a finisher under Mickey.
Haven't seen much of McNeice so my impression of him the past year or so has been as a work horse too. Some scoring that day. I think Coney did more in the replay, but the scores that stick out for me were your man Nallys couple of the outside of the left boot. My grape with the current way Tyrone play is that it seems that the instinctiveness and directness towards goal is coached out of the full forward line. Our men seem to be happy to come out to get the ball and continue going towards the half forward line and off-loading, instead of getting the ball and looking to turn their men and go for goals. How many goals have Tyrone scored in the Championship this year and the last few?
Wouldn't be overly concerned about the lack of goals. In 2003 think we scored one goal from the quarter finals on but still won an All Ireland. I can't see there being a huge number of goals scored in the last 3 games of the championship.
Hennelly is in goal and Shane McHale on the bench
Can get 2 tickets for canal premium if anyone wants to PM me, 65 yoyo each
In 2003 Tyrone only scored 3 goals in the whole championship
One against Antrim, a penalty v Down and one against Fermanagh.
Canavan was top scorer with 1.48.
As Brolly said a lot of the time Tyrone ignore the full forward line as they prefer to work the ball forward slowly from the back. Peter Harte seems to be one to hit in the odd long ball.
Any more news on injuries?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 20, 2013, 08:39:51 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2013, 08:36:08 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2013, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2013, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2013, 09:43:24 PM
So how many from the 2008 minor final are likely to play a part on Sunday? McNabb, Matty Donnelly, Petey Harte and possibly Kyle Coney for Tyrone? What about Mayo - is it just Aiden O'Shea and Keane?
Tyrone: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Pickering (capt); S MacRory, P Harte, R McNabb; N McKenna (0-01), M Rogers; C Gervin (0-03), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-01); K Coney, P McNeice (0-06, 1f), C O'Neill (0-03, 3f).
Subs used: R Tierney for MacRory (50 mins), S Warnock for Rogers (53), B McGarvey for McNabb (55).
Mayo: R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (capt) (0-01); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-04), A O'Shea (0-02), R Geraghty (0-01); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-04, 3f), A Corduff (0-01).
Subs used: D Gavin (0-01) for Charlton (39 mins), D O'Hara for Geraghty (50).
How many of the 2006 Tyrone under 21 Ulster winning team are part of the Squad?
Jaysus, you are very touchy! I wasn't even trying to have a dig, was interested how many were involved as it was a fairly good minor final that year. And to answer your question I think only Colm Cavanagh and Justy McMahon, though PJ Quinn was involved earlier in the year.
Interesting that Paddy McNiece got 0-6 that day in 2008 but has mainly been used as a workhorse than a finisher under Mickey.
Haven't seen much of McNeice so my impression of him the past year or so has been as a work horse too. Some scoring that day. I think Coney did more in the replay, but the scores that stick out for me were your man Nallys couple of the outside of the left boot. My grape with the current way Tyrone play is that it seems that the instinctiveness and directness towards goal is coached out of the full forward line. Our men seem to be happy to come out to get the ball and continue going towards the half forward line and off-loading, instead of getting the ball and looking to turn their men and go for goals. How many goals have Tyrone scored in the Championship this year and the last few?
Wouldn't be overly concerned about the lack of goals. In 2003 think we scored one goal from the quarter finals on but still won an All Ireland. I can't see there being a huge number of goals scored in the last 3 games of the championship.
I also can't see many goals being conceded by any of the teams still left in the competition. None of them could have gotten to this stage if it had a dodgy defence.
Quote from: stephenite on August 20, 2013, 07:02:43 AM
Not one team has put it up to Mayo in this years championship, will be interesting to see how they respond when the tough questions are asked by Tyrone.
That's the very thing. What if Tyrone start with the intensity Mayo showed against Donegal??
It will be a serious test of character. I'm not sure what the match ups were in the league game but we know now that a lot can be read into the way Mayo matched up against Donegal in the league match, I.e. the way Barrett was brought in to the full back line.
This will be a very tight game and I have a feeling it will be low scoring one and we could well see a replay. Has there been a replay yet in the Football this summer? A rare hing if there hasn't been one yet.
Are you in Sydney all the time Stephenite? I'll probably head into Scruffy's to watch it.
As well as the battle beween the Brothers Cavanagh and O se, another intriguing spotlight will be on the goalkeepers, Packie Mc Connell has come in because of injury but in Mayo they will probably be playing James Horan's third choice goalkeeper. What a remarkable story of progression through the ranks this is!
Who's wrong and who is right. This game sees the bookies (me also) as a no contest, Mayo at 2/7 , to win by sixteen points or more for example is at 14/1 whilst we were 40/1 v Galway for same bet and similar for Ross. Then on the flip side you have the vast majority of posters on all GAA forums , most of the journos and high stool pundits saying it will be as tight as you get.
Tyrones games so far have been average performances, grinding out results, incapable of forcing it home (v Kildare) . Should of lost out in Hyde park in the end only for a lack of composure by Ross, who probably couldn't believe the position they got themselves in near the end. Donegal beat them fair and square ,exposing their lack of pace at the back several times, mcbrearty ran in and along the line to lay off for second goal as if Tyrone were stuck to the ground.
All said and done , I maintain there will be a lot of people very surprised at how comfortable this is going to be for Mayo.
If football had a decent rule book,it would be Monaghan we wold be facing, of that I have no doubt.Looking back over Tyrone videos, they are a nasty team and people can airbrush that with all the usual horse manure excuse and counter arguments but its the simple truth from Riceys knee on the face to the Armagh lad in 03 to todays Cavanagh dragging and pullin all day long , their football culture is a nasty cynical one.
We will batter them with speedy football. See ye next week for the who's right result.
Whats great in all of this is the battle beween those prepared to take their lead from the smutty red tops and their cheerleaders in rte and what is becoming the last bastion of independent thinking on the GAA. For every ten of the first who like Larry use "popularistic pot noodle analytic techniques " ie just add a little something to the crap thats already there are probably three who believe that our games deserve a more refined steady and sophisticated analysis. Many on here are fans of the pot noodle approach but please remember the rights of those who arent.
Its amazing to think that the most cynical team in Ireland eleven months ago are now its saviours...
Now theres a pot noodle I simply cant swallow..
Rubbish and you know it.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 02:02:17 PM
Rubbish and you know it.
I think he alluded to that with the last pot noodle reference.
Quote from: rrhf on August 20, 2013, 02:00:01 PM
Whats great in all of this is the battle beween those prepared to take their lead from the smutty red tops and their cheerleaders in rte and what is becoming the last bastion of independent thinking on the GAA. For every ten of the first who like Larry use "popularistic pot noodle analytic techniques " ie just add a little something to the crap thats already there are probably three who believe that our games deserve a more refined steady and sophisticated analysis. Many on here are fans of the pot noodle approach but please remember the rights of those who arent.
Its amazing to think that the most cynical team in Ireland eleven months ago are now its saviours...
Now theres a pot noodle I simply cant swallow..
Cynical only in the eyes of a 'pot noodle ' nordie barrister masquerading as a journalist
I cant believe there are some many of the mayo lads getting up on the high horse about Cavanaghs foul against monaghan.
Is it fair, no its not but Kerry should have pulled down McMenamin in 2011, they would have won the game and no one would have remembered the foul, instead the dubs have an all ireland. Likewise in '08 we were a point up against tyrone in the minors and lost the ball high up the field, the man should have been pulled down and us re-group, instead tyrone won after a replay.
It happens in every sport, look at Luis Suarez in the last world cup, you think Uruguayans give a toss that he handled the ball and missed the semi final?? Not likely. Or France for making that world cup at our expense?
The issue is with the conseqences of your actions, there are none for this kind of thing in the GAA, there should be a post match suspension for bringing the game into disrepute.
There isnt a county in the country that wouldnt have done the same thing (with the possible exception of Kerry) and any Mayo man that says we wouldnt hasnt seen much of them play, we're as cycinical as the worst when we have to be, Roscommon in the Connacht final 2011 and Dublin in the semi final last year being two prime examples, Vaughan in particular did something similiar just further out to a dublin forward and fair play to him, he gave away a free but saved a goal.
For too long we've been the pretty boys with the nice football, f**k that I say, play within the rules, or just outside the rules and take the consequences.
Haven't seen many games is one thing but you've seen games that never took place, we never played Ross last year.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
Haven't seen many games is one thing but you've seen games that never took place, we never played Ross last year.
he did say 2011 Larry
That's right ,after he done a bit of editing. What was cynical about Mayos play in Ross game 2011?
Rugby tackles out on the wing, possibly I'm confusing it with the Sligo Connacht final, I'm sure Syreus knows the game inside out and will correct me
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 01:48:50 PM
Who's wrong and who is right. This game sees the bookies (me also) as a no contest, Mayo at 2/7 , to win by sixteen points or more for example is at 14/1 whilst we were 40/1 v Galway for same bet and similar for Ross. Then on the flip side you have the vast majority of posters on all GAA forums , most of the journos and high stool pundits saying it will be as tight as you get.
Tyrones games so far have been average performances, grinding out results, incapable of forcing it home (v Kildare) . Should of lost out in Hyde park in the end only for a lack of composure by Ross, who probably couldn't believe the position they got themselves in near the end. Donegal beat them fair and square ,exposing their lack of pace at the back several times, mcbrearty ran in and along the line to lay off for second goal as if Tyrone were stuck to the ground.
All said and done , I maintain there will be a lot of people very surprised at how comfortable this is going to be for Mayo.
If football had a decent rule book,it would be Monaghan we wold be facing, of that I have no doubt.Looking back over Tyrone videos, they are a nasty team and people can airbrush that with all the usual horse manure excuse and counter arguments but its the simple truth from Riceys knee on the face to the Armagh lad in 03 to todays Cavanagh dragging and pullin all day long , their football culture is a nasty cynical one.
We will batter them with speedy football. See ye next week for the who's right result.
Great stuff. A good old unhinged rant about how spotless, pure and virtuous Mayo are, and how we are anything but.
Just watch the door on the way out of Croke on Sunday, with those rose-infused glasses on you're liable to walk into anything, including reality.
Yes Mayo we're cynical in Sligo game that took place in Roscommon last year.
Since that game ,we have improved greatly, the tackling of Mayo this year has been near perfect , the speed and skill level has gone up a few notches, honestly there is no need for Mayo to engage in dark arts.
I can't say anymore , I'm just repeating myself all the time, my point will be surely proven after Sunday or on the other hand I could be proven an awful ejit.
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 16, 2013, 11:08:58 AM
No wonder there's no green and red sheep in Mayo, they are too busy painting their shoes
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I'll take 4 pairs please.
What are you? A f**king Caterpillar?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2013, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 16, 2013, 11:08:58 AM
No wonder there's no green and red sheep in Mayo, they are too busy painting their shoes
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I'll take 4 pairs please.
What are you? A f**king Caterpillar?
Well he'll need one for the Saturday before the All-Ireland, Bowes on Fleet street will be wedged, they'll be soaked.
The obviously enough for the big day itself you'd want a fresh pair, that'll no doubt be destroyed in Coppers.
Its always raining in Roscommon so all that waiting in Tarmonbarry and you could be in trouble, so you'll want another pair for getting back to Dublin on the Tuesday, at which point you'll be down to a goalkeeping Staunton Intersports jersey that fitted you in 1993.
You could nearly go for five pairs, it'll be a long gap between Tarmonbarry and Ballaghdereen in wet brogues
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 03:43:53 PM
Yes Mayo we're cynical in Sligo game that took place in Roscommon last year.
Since that game ,we have improved greatly, the tackling of Mayo this year has been near perfect , the speed and skill level has gone up a few notches, honestly there is no need for Mayo to engage in dark arts.
I can't say anymore , I'm just repeating myself all the time, my point will be surely proven after Sunday or on the other hand I could be proven an awful ejit.
So in the last two championship matches where we were ahead and the opposition were within an asses roar of us we resorted to tactical, cynical fouling?
If Sean Cavanagh is to score a goal to equalise in the last five minutes on Sunday he'll have to do it with Vaughan on his back, literally
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 01:48:50 PM
Who's wrong and who is right. This game sees the bookies (me also) as a no contest, Mayo at 2/7 , to win by sixteen points or more for example is at 14/1 whilst we were 40/1 v Galway for same bet and similar for Ross. Then on the flip side you have the vast majority of posters on all GAA forums , most of the journos and high stool pundits saying it will be as tight as you get.
Tyrones games so far have been average performances, grinding out results, incapable of forcing it home (v Kildare) . Should of lost out in Hyde park in the end only for a lack of composure by Ross, who probably couldn't believe the position they got themselves in near the end. Donegal beat them fair and square ,exposing their lack of pace at the back several times, mcbrearty ran in and along the line to lay off for second goal as if Tyrone were stuck to the ground.
All said and done , I maintain there will be a lot of people very surprised at how comfortable this is going to be for Mayo.
If football had a decent rule book,it would be Monaghan we wold be facing, of that I have no doubt.Looking back over Tyrone videos, they are a nasty team and people can airbrush that with all the usual horse manure excuse and counter arguments but its the simple truth from Riceys knee on the face to the Armagh lad in 03 to todays Cavanagh dragging and pullin all day long , their football culture is a nasty cynical one.
We will batter them with speedy football. See ye next week for the who's right result.
Tyrone were always in control against Kildare, were hardly going to be motivated against Roscommon and were comfortable against Monaghan and Meath. Against Donegal, McBrearty beat Carlin for pace for the goal, apart from that there was no great exposure of a lack of pace.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2013, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 16, 2013, 11:08:58 AM
No wonder there's no green and red sheep in Mayo, they are too busy painting their shoes
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I'll take 4 pairs please.
What are you? A f**king Caterpillar?
One for me, one for the moth ;), and two for the pupas.
Horan has his say. Great interview.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23768963?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/23768963?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 01:48:50 PM
Who's wrong and who is right. This game sees the bookies (me also) as a no contest, Mayo at 2/7 , to win by sixteen points or more for example is at 14/1 whilst we were 40/1 v Galway for same bet and similar for Ross. Then on the flip side you have the vast majority of posters on all GAA forums , most of the journos and high stool pundits saying it will be as tight as you get.
Tyrones games so far have been average performances, grinding out results, incapable of forcing it home (v Kildare) . Should of lost out in Hyde park in the end only for a lack of composure by Ross, who probably couldn't believe the position they got themselves in near the end. Donegal beat them fair and square ,exposing their lack of pace at the back several times, mcbrearty ran in and along the line to lay off for second goal as if Tyrone were stuck to the ground.
All said and done , I maintain there will be a lot of people very surprised at how comfortable this is going to be for Mayo.
If football had a decent rule book,it would be Monaghan we wold be facing, of that I have no doubt.Looking back over Tyrone videos, they are a nasty team and people can airbrush that with all the usual horse manure excuse and counter arguments but its the simple truth from Riceys knee on the face to the Armagh lad in 03 to todays Cavanagh dragging and pullin all day long , their football culture is a nasty cynical one.
We will batter them with speedy football. See ye next week for the who's right result.
Tyrone were always in control against Kildare, were hardly going to be motivated against Roscommon and were comfortable against Monaghan and Meath. Against Donegal, McBrearty beat Carlin for pace for the goal, apart from that there was no great exposure of a lack of pace.
Well I seen it different from you then as regards the Donegal game. Look at the end of the day I'm going to have to retire from these aul forums till after the game because either I know way more than everyone else or I'm totally daft and know nothing, I vision the likes of Higgins and Boyle bombing forward and Tyrone just stuck there like in startled gaze, I think we are going to absolutely kill Tyrone , I'm convinced we are miles better than Tyrone .So like I said that's it from me as my opinion sounds so far fetched in here I'm starting to question my sanity, am I seeing things ,how come nobody agrees with me,am I mad , I find myself asking theses questions .Slan
I love these teams that know their way around Croke Park.
Quote from: rrhf on August 20, 2013, 05:16:22 PM
I love these teams that know their way around Croke Park.
It would be interesting to know the % of Senior football A.I. Quarters, Semis and Finals since say 1995 to feature at least one of Mayo, Tyrone, Dublin or Kerry.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Tyrone were always in control against Kildare, were hardly going to be motivated against Roscommon and were comfortable against Monaghan and Meath. Against Donegal, McBrearty beat Carlin for pace for the goal, apart from that there was no great exposure of a lack of pace.
Were you watching different games than the rest of us?
Good luck to Tyrone on Sunday. http://youtu.be/3VfLeVXxZz4
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2013, 01:48:50 PM
Who's wrong and who is right. This game sees the bookies (me also) as a no contest, Mayo at 2/7 , to win by sixteen points or more for example is at 14/1 whilst we were 40/1 v Galway for same bet and similar for Ross. Then on the flip side you have the vast majority of posters on all GAA forums , most of the journos and high stool pundits saying it will be as tight as you get.
Tyrones games so far have been average performances, grinding out results, incapable of forcing it home (v Kildare) . Should of lost out in Hyde park in the end only for a lack of composure by Ross, who probably couldn't believe the position they got themselves in near the end. Donegal beat them fair and square ,exposing their lack of pace at the back several times, mcbrearty ran in and along the line to lay off for second goal as if Tyrone were stuck to the ground.
All said and done , I maintain there will be a lot of people very surprised at how comfortable this is going to be for Mayo.
If football had a decent rule book,it would be Monaghan we wold be facing, of that I have no doubt.Looking back over Tyrone videos, they are a nasty team and people can airbrush that with all the usual horse manure excuse and counter arguments but its the simple truth from Riceys knee on the face to the Armagh lad in 03 to todays Cavanagh dragging and pullin all day long , their football culture is a nasty cynical one.
We will batter them with speedy football. See ye next week for the who's right result.
Tyrone were always in control against Kildare, were hardly going to be motivated against Roscommon and were comfortable against Monaghan and Meath. Against Donegal, McBrearty beat Carlin for pace for the goal, apart from that there was no great exposure of a lack of pace.
Well I seen it different from you then as regards the Donegal game. Look at the end of the day I'm going to have to retire from these aul forums till after the game because either I know way more than everyone else or I'm totally daft and know nothing, I vision the likes of Higgins and Boyle bombing forward and Tyrone just stuck there like in startled gaze, I think we are going to absolutely kill Tyrone , I'm convinced we are miles better than Tyrone .So like I said that's it from me as my opinion sounds so far fetched in here I'm starting to question my sanity, am I seeing things ,how come nobody agrees with me,am I mad , I find myself asking theses questions .Slan
I totally agree with you. The reason Tyrone are not being written off is the same reason people don't write off Galway or Meath. They remember the good times, the great performances and the great results. GAA people label counties. Galway play nice football and win AIs. Meath teams are never beaten and win AIs. Tyrone play tough and win AIs. The bad results over the last couple of years are forgotten each year. Mayo don't win AIs, so there is a mind block!
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on August 20, 2013, 05:33:37 PM
Good luck to Tyrone on Sunday. http://youtu.be/3VfLeVXxZz4
Controversial title surely! ;)
Tickets captured, lower Hogan, nigh-on halfway and the ideal distance back.
Delighted to be able to lord it over all these hardcore Tyroniacs and, of course, the old enemy. Think of me when you wonder if that's the referee or Stephen O'Neill from your perches in Row Z of the upper Davin.
8)
This is a good one, Bastille's song suits it down to the ground, esp. appropriate with all the French visitors to the county this month. Must be 300 French flags and another 200 Mayo flags in Castlebar at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRuqVJ_AEys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRuqVJ_AEys)
Quote from: Syferus on August 20, 2013, 06:01:37 PM
Tickets captured, lower Hogan, nigh-on halfway and the ideal distance back.
Delighted to be able to lord it over all these hardcore Tyroniacs and, of course, the old enemy. Think of me when you wonder if that's the referee or Stephen O'Neill from your preaches in Row Z of the upper Davin.
8)
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Mayo response this year to Eugene McGee's annual Mayo bashing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1jXUPVHToY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1jXUPVHToY)
Mayo will win this game easily,they can well afford to let colm cavanagh be free and have 2 men on Sean,go as far as give colm the ball even,won't hurt mayo at all,can see a very comfortable win for mayo and a long 70 mins for the Tyrone defence
Quote from: Family guy on August 20, 2013, 07:35:38 PM
Mayo will win this game easily,they can well afford to let colm cavanagh be free and have 2 men on Sean,go as far as give colm the ball even,won't hurt mayo at all,can see a very comfortable win for mayo and a long 70 mins for the Tyrone defence
Strange post. Proved his worth to the team in the last few games. Up against two decent county midfields and did well. Has for some reason been the target for abuse by many Tyrone people. Some due to petty club loyalties. Certainly not a top county midfielder but does a very unselfish job for the team. Will be interesting to see how he gets on against these Mayo greats on Sunday.
Quote from: Family guy on August 20, 2013, 07:35:38 PM
Mayo will win this game easily,they can well afford to let colm cavanagh be free and have 2 men on Sean,go as far as give colm the ball even,won't hurt mayo at all,can see a very comfortable win for mayo and a long 70 mins for the Tyrone defence
I'm quite curious as to which county your from.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 20, 2013, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: Family guy on August 20, 2013, 07:35:38 PM
Mayo will win this game easily,they can well afford to let colm cavanagh be free and have 2 men on Sean,go as far as give colm the ball even,won't hurt mayo at all,can see a very comfortable win for mayo and a long 70 mins for the Tyrone defence
Strange post. Proved his worth to the team in the last few games. Up against two decent county midfields and did well. Has for some reason been the target for abuse by many Tyrone people. Some due to petty club loyalties. Certainly not a top county midfielder but does a very unselfish job for the team. Will be interesting to see how he gets on against these Mayo greats on Sunday.
Our best midfielder from last year is on the bench. I wish he got some more game time before now.
I am from Tyrone,just my assessment of the game and if I was over mayo,or any county that was playing Tyrone,which I'm obviously not or never will be,but then again none of us on this site will be but we just give our points however worthless they are,I would be setting out to target him as a weak point,by more or less going 2 men on Sean thus trying to limit him,who is at the end of the day tyrones greatest chance of winning the game I feel,he is the man who makes them tick and has done this past number of years,I think Micky will mix things up against mayo and could well see joe at midfield
Quote from: Family guy on August 20, 2013, 08:02:32 PM
I am from Tyrone,just my assessment of the game and if I was over mayo,or any county that was playing Tyrone,which I'm obviously not or never will be,but then again none of us on this site will be but we just give our points however worthless they are,I would be setting out to target him as a weak point,by more or less going 2 men on Sean thus trying to limit him,who is at the end of the day tyrones greatest chance of winning the game I feel,he is the man who makes them tick and has done this past number of years,I think Micky will mix things up against mayo and could well see joe at midfield
It was a very strange post directed against one of the team coming up to an All Ireland semi final. Colm Cavanagh is not there to lead attacks, he is there to cover back and allow Sean to get forward. So he is unlikely to hurt Mayo with the ball but it certainly won't be the losing of the game for Tyrone. A few years ago he was allowed to get forward and got 4 or 5 goals one of the years. Now he does the defensive role asked of him and plays a different one to the more attacking one employed by Cassidy when he comes on. Despite the constant criticism I believe he has coped well in the last 2 games against Meath and Monaghan who were both praised for having strong midfields and worked hard. He certainly isn't in the top bracket of county midfielders but may be the best option available.
I don't think a two-man marking job will work for any of the Tyrone players-that's what has bate teams so far-trying to 2-3 man-mark Stevie. We're not Armagh (v Galway).
This game will be won by whoever adjusts their system the quickest to stem the general attacking flow of the other team. The double sweeper saved Tyrone the last day and could be deployed again. Was very effective. Was highly impressed by the subs the last day and would like to see them on earlier to maintain intensity, instead of waiting for a dip.
I anticipate a congested midfield until the second half with O'Neill and McCurry showing on the wings, ready for the pass off to the Donnellys coming up the middle. Gormley must stay on the field for the full 70 to clog up the middle. Expect a refreshed Stevie for this one. Joe McMahon is coming up close to his previous standards. Sean Cavanagh-we all know. Colm Cav. doing a job that only he could do at midfield-good for a score too-remember 2008? McGinlay and Clarke looking every bit the authoritive attacking defenders. For some reason, I'd like to see Ryan McKenna in for this one. Dermy Carlin can push up too far at times and looks a bit wild-good impact sub. Man for man, if everyone plays to their full potential, Tyrone will have too much for them. Mayo haven't faced the intense speed tackling around the middle that Tyrone have made their own.
Bring it on Mayonesians!
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
I can't erase that Mayo-Donegal first half from my mind. Mayo were simply awesome that day.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
I don't there is any point discussing with this man. He is only looking at one team and you won't change his mind.
Must have Ros connections.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
To come back from that game like we have done is testament to what Mickey Harte's top priority is every year. Provincial titles are priority (safety net) for teams who haven't won the Sam Maguire in recent times..... :o
I think that 5 years ago and even last year is irrelevant when you look at how football has evolved and the amount of retirees and new faces are in the squad. Brazil aren't the team they were in the 70's but could still go out and hammer a team in the semi-final of the World Cup!
I am surprised how little respect Mayo are giving Tyrone-take the blinkers off!
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
To come back from that game like we have done is testament to what Mickey Harte's top priority is every year. Provincial titles are priority (safety net) for teams who haven't won the Sam Maguire in recent times..... :o
I think that 5 years ago and even last year is irrelevant when you look at how football has evolved and the amount of retirees and new faces are in the squad. Brazil aren't the team they were in the 70's but could still go out and hammer a team in the semi-final of the World Cup!
I am surprised how little respect Mayo are giving Tyrone-take the blinkers off!
You think you are Brazil?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
Just to point out..... Mayo isn't any of these four counties and the big difference is that these counties have won recent All Irelands.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
Just to point out..... Mayo isn't any of these four counties and the big difference is that these counties have won recent All Irelands.
Do you think Mayo supporters have somehow missed this? And of course need to point it out?? Even though it appears on every news article and every thread???
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
Just to point out..... Mayo isn't any of these four counties and the big difference is that these counties have won recent All Irelands.
I never said we are were in with this bunch? But we have beaten 3 of the 4 named in the last 2 and a bit years, ye have not.
Quote from: muppet on August 20, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
To come back from that game like we have done is testament to what Mickey Harte's top priority is every year. Provincial titles are priority (safety net) for teams who haven't won the Sam Maguire in recent times..... :o
I think that 5 years ago and even last year is irrelevant when you look at how football has evolved and the amount of retirees and new faces are in the squad. Brazil aren't the team they were in the 70's but could still go out and hammer a team in the semi-final of the World Cup!
I am surprised how little respect Mayo are giving Tyrone-take the blinkers off!
You think you are Brazil?
Yes
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 10:07:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 20, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
We are all hearing that Mayo won't have faced this and Mayo won't have encountered that. But the reality is that Tyrone won't have face anything like Mayo since their Ulster opener against Donegal which they lost by six points.
That was Donegal's all-Ireland and they have been sluggish ever since-psychologically drained. Imagine playing the biggest match of the year on the first day of the championship against the league finalists? Donegal were battered against Monaghan and Laois before ye met them and while a very good side, ye haven't proved anything yet. Tyrone will treat Mayo like they did Offally, Rosommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan-each one of those games a potential pitfall, only they will have more in the tank. We haven't played well and won five games in six weeks. God help the team who meets us when we play well. I think that it will be Mayo.
You have to remember that was ye're all-Ireland as well. Ye had two extra competitive games to keep ye sharp going into it! Believe me the Anglo-Celt was Hartes top priority this year. He would have seen it as the easiest way to win silverware. So that made two of ye that were up for it and ye lost by six points.
You also have to remember it has been a while since Tyrone have beaten, Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Donegal in Championship. They just are not the force of 5 years ago!
Just to point out..... Mayo isn't any of these four counties and the big difference is that these counties have won recent All Irelands.
I never said we are were in with this bunch? But we have beaten 3 of the 4 named in the last 2 and a bit years, ye have not.
Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Does Aidan o se get the red card often? I wouldn't have really thought of him as a dirty player. Tough yes cynical perhaps but dirty no chance.
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Mayo to win by 5 points. I'm expecting a very tight intense affair. I'm also expecting it to be quite open as Mayo pressure out the pitch so I think Stephen O'Neill will get more room than usual and will flourish. I an see Mayo pulling away in last ten. Looking forward to a great game!
Quote from: rrhf on August 20, 2013, 10:14:04 PM
Does Aidan o se get the red card often? I wouldn't have really thought of him as a dirty player. Tough yes cynical perhaps but dirty no chance.
A friend played for Castlebar-a couple of years ago the two O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of digging according to him but sure ye know what local rivalrys are like-don't know about recently.
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Does Aidan o se get the red card often? I wouldn't have really thought of him as a dirty player. Tough yes cynical perhaps but dirty no chance.
A friend played for Castlebar-a couple of years ago the two O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of digging according to him but sure ye know what local rivalrys are like-don't know about recently.
You seem to be handy with a shovel yourself.
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
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Does Aidan o se get the red card often? I wouldn't have really thought of him as a dirty player. Tough yes cynical perhaps but dirty no chance.
A friend played for Castlebar-a couple of years ago the two O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of digging according to him but sure ye know what local rivalrys are like-don't know about recently.
A friend of mine lived in Castlebar a couple of years ago. The three O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of non showering according to him they were pure dirty.
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You think you are Brazil?
Yes
In that case you are in for a close shave on Sunday.
This is fast developing into a 'Brazilian' joke...
Socrates the secret weapon on Sunday, a former multiple All-Ireland winner.
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (
what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
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Does Aidan o se get the red card often? I wouldn't have really thought of him as a dirty player. Tough yes cynical perhaps but dirty no chance.
A friend played for Castlebar-a couple of years ago the two O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of digging according to him but sure ye know what local rivalrys are like-don't know about recently.
A friend of mine lived in Castlebar a couple of years ago. The three O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of non showering according to him they were pure dirty.
That goes without sayin'. 'tis no wonder ye are swarmed with midges, smell a yis.
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Does Aidan o se get the red card often? I wouldn't have really thought of him as a dirty player. Tough yes cynical perhaps but dirty no chance.
A friend played for Castlebar-a couple of years ago the two O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of digging according to him but sure ye know what local rivalrys are like-don't know about recently.
A friend of mine lived in Castlebar a couple of years ago. The three O'Sheas would have been involved in a fair bit of non showering according to him they were pure dirty.
That goes without sayin'. 'tis no wonder ye are swarmed with midges, smell a yis.
Helps the boys break the tackle as well. Gives new meaning to Dirty play!
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
Yer still ignoring the fact that this team is drastically changed from last year so the previous team's history is irrelevant. Last year had that 'flogging a dead horse' feeling alright (although with a fit Sean Cavanagh who knows?) Not this year. Blinkered, I tell ye.
Whoever wins, it doesn't take away from the fact that Dublin are the team to beat.
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
I agree it has been a while and during a period of transition (also without many key players) we have shipped a few heavy defeats, which hopefully have not left psychological scars that may resurface to cause us problems on Sunday. Also, if (or when) you win some silverware this year you will be able to call yourselves a "big gun" too.
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
Yer still ignoring the fact that this team is drastically changed from last year so the previous team's history is irrelevant. Last year had that 'flogging a dead horse' feeling alright (although with a fit Sean Cavanagh who knows?) Not this year. Blinkered, I tell ye.
Whoever wins, it doesn't take away from the fact that Dublin are the team to beat.
Yes, but this team already lost their biggest test in the beginning to Donegal by six points. In a game they wanted to win! That is present history! Blinkered, I tell ye.
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
Yer still ignoring the fact that this team is drastically changed from last year so the previous team's history is irrelevant. Last year had that 'flogging a dead horse' feeling alright (although with a fit Sean Cavanagh who knows?) Not this year. Blinkered, I tell ye.
Whoever wins, it doesn't take away from the fact that Dublin are the team to beat.
Yes, but this team already lost their biggest test in the beginning to Donegal by six points. In a game they wanted to win! That is present history! Blinkered, I tell ye.
Beating the team that beat Donegal(to stop them claim a 3rd Ulster title) has dispelled any lingering doubt from the Donegal game. Monaghan were like yerselves, on the crest of a wave, top of the world and look what happened. I'm trying to prepare you here...
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
Yer still ignoring the fact that this team is drastically changed from last year so the previous team's history is irrelevant. Last year had that 'flogging a dead horse' feeling alright (although with a fit Sean Cavanagh who knows?) Not this year. Blinkered, I tell ye.
Whoever wins, it doesn't take away from the fact that Dublin are the team to beat.
Yes, but this team already lost their biggest test in the beginning to Donegal by six points. In a game they wanted to win! That is present history! Blinkered, I tell ye.
Beating the team that beat Donegal(to stop them claim a 3rd Ulster title) has dispelled any lingering doubt from the Donegal game. Monaghan were like yerselves, on the crest of a wave, top of the world and look what happened. I'm trying to prepare you here...
Ah your going around in circles there. Sure we had nothing to do with Monaghan. We were not celebrating winning a provincial title. We don't need any preparation. Tyrone will be a tough proposition and we will celebrate
if we beat ye and we will wish ye well if ye beat us. We are used to knocks, so don't be believing we are looking to the final already because we aren't.
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
Yer still ignoring the fact that this team is drastically changed from last year so the previous team's history is irrelevant. Last year had that 'flogging a dead horse' feeling alright (although with a fit Sean Cavanagh who knows?) Not this year. Blinkered, I tell ye.
Whoever wins, it doesn't take away from the fact that Dublin are the team to beat.
You must be the only human being to observe this year's championship and think Dublin are the team to beat. Some slow-moving, plant-based rhubarbs might agree with you on that, but that's about it.
Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
County Mayo likes this ;)
Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
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Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
Maybe Tyrone aren't all superstars - but there's over 25 all Ireland medals in that changing room and that brings with it a certain level of superstardom.
If Aiden O'shea was silly enough to get sent off against Donegal in a game which was over by half time then it wouldn't be totally against the realms of possibility to suggest that he may have issues come the white heat of a proper championship game.
And do you really think there's been no hype around this Mayo team in the national media? (Though it could be justified, we have to wait and see)
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Completely irrelevant with regards to Sunday! Kerry beat you by 9 points in 2011. Is that relevant?
Kerry beat you by 10 points in 2012. Is that relevant?
Absolutely not - that's my point!
So you read nothing into results? They basically mean nothing?
Tyrone have always struggled against Cork, Mayo struggle against Kerry, how does this have an impact on a game where Tyrone v Mayo? So to be honest, your analysis based on performances against previous teams over the last few years is irrelevant.
As I said it has been a while since ye have had (what i would call) a big scalp. Teams are measured on when they last won Silverware and then the last big scalp they have had. In your case it has been a while. No shame in that ye took some big scalps and Sliverware when ye were a big gun.
Yer still ignoring the fact that this team is drastically changed from last year so the previous team's history is irrelevant. Last year had that 'flogging a dead horse' feeling alright (although with a fit Sean Cavanagh who knows?) Not this year. Blinkered, I tell ye.
Whoever wins, it doesn't take away from the fact that Dublin are the team to beat.
You must be the only human being to observe this year's championship and think Dublin are the team to beat. Some slow-moving, plant-based rhubarbs might agree with you on that, but that's about it.
Don't have me fact the head aff ye! You're judgement is clouded by sheep.
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Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
Maybe Tyrone aren't all superstars - but there's over 25 all Ireland medals in that changing room and that brings with it a certain level of superstardom.
If Aiden O'shea was silly enough to get sent off against Donegal in a game which was over by half time then it wouldn't be totally against the realms of possibility to suggest that he may have issues come the white heat of a proper championship game.
And do you really think there's been no hype around this Mayo team in the national media? (Though it could be justified, we have to wait and see)
Spell the poor lad's name wrong. I know you're cowering in fear of him but it's the least you could do.
It's incredibly lazy analysis to think AOS is a red card threat, both incidents the last day were marginal at best and another referee may have only ticked him. AOS of two years ago was a liability when it came to wild tackling and challenges, but not the one that'll take the field on Sunday.
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What Hype?
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Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
Maybe Tyrone aren't all superstars - but there's over 25 all Ireland medals in that changing room and that brings with it a certain level of superstardom.
If Aiden O'shea was silly enough to get sent off against Donegal in a game which was over by half time then it wouldn't be totally against the realms of possibility to suggest that he may have issues come the white heat of a proper championship game.
And do you really think there's been no hype around this Mayo team in the national media? (Though it could be justified, we have to wait and see)
O'sea got a second yellow. How many inter county games has he been sent off in?
I am not going to start rating or degrading the Tyrone team. Like us they have average and above average players.
On the Hype side, All I've read and heard for the last 2 and a bit weeks is about (fecking) Sean Cavanaghs tackle, the two boys being suspended and then not suspended and (fecking) Brolly!
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Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
Maybe Tyrone aren't all superstars - but there's over 25 all Ireland medals in that changing room and that brings with it a certain level of superstardom.
If Aiden O'shea was silly enough to get sent off against Donegal in a game which was over by half time then it wouldn't be totally against the realms of possibility to suggest that he may have issues come the white heat of a proper championship game.
And do you really think there's been no hype around this Mayo team in the national media? (Though it could be justified, we have to wait and see)
Spell the poor lad's name wrong. I know you're cowering in fear of him but it's the least you could do.
It's incredibly lazy analysis to think AOS is a red card threat, both incidents the last day were marginal at best and another referee may have only ticked him. AOS of two years ago was a liability when it came to wild tackling and challenges, but not the one that'll take the field on Sunday.
A quick bit of editing there to correct a nonsense first sentence Syferus? If you're going to comment on grammar or spelling at least ensure your own posts make sense first.
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Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
Maybe Tyrone aren't all superstars - but there's over 25 all Ireland medals in that changing room and that brings with it a certain level of superstardom.
If Aiden O'shea was silly enough to get sent off against Donegal in a game which was over by half time then it wouldn't be totally against the realms of possibility to suggest that he may have issues come the white heat of a proper championship game.
And do you really think there's been no hype around this Mayo team in the national media? (Though it could be justified, we have to wait and see)
O'sea got a second yellow. How many inter county games has he been sent off in?
I am not going to start rating or degrading the Tyrone team. Like us they have average and above average players.
On the Hype side, All I've read and heard for the last 2 and a bit weeks is about (fecking) Sean Cavanaghs tackle, the two boys being suspended and then not suspended and (fecking) Brolly!
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To be fair, that's true! Are you suggesting this was all a ruse by Brolly to dampen the hype surrounding Mayo?
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Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
Maybe Tyrone aren't all superstars - but there's over 25 all Ireland medals in that changing room and that brings with it a certain level of superstardom.
If Aiden O'shea was silly enough to get sent off against Donegal in a game which was over by half time then it wouldn't be totally against the realms of possibility to suggest that he may have issues come the white heat of a proper championship game.
And do you really think there's been no hype around this Mayo team in the national media? (Though it could be justified, we have to wait and see)
O'sea got a second yellow. How many inter county games has he been sent off in?
I am not going to start rating or degrading the Tyrone team. Like us they have average and above average players.
On the Hype side, All I've read and heard for the last 2 and a bit weeks is about (fecking) Sean Cavanaghs tackle, the two boys being suspended and then not suspended and (fecking) Brolly!
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To be fair, that's true! Are you suggesting this was all a ruse by Brolly to dampen the hype surrounding Mayo?
No, Brolly never has an agenda! :P
Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
Do you Rodman merit internet access? Judging by you analysis and football knowledge probably not. The bits in bold wouldn't surprise me if they happened but this still doesn't disguise the stupidity of your post or if a wind up the lameness of your attempt :P.
Even Logie would be more balanced and subjective with his predictions ;).
Come to think of it you are like an abomination of Eugene McGee , Roy Curtis , Tony Davis and the Bomber Liston rolled into one all the while making our own Einstein McStay sound credible ;D
O'Neill you will have school this man/woman in the art of winding up us Mayo folk!!!
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Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
What Hype? What have Tyrone done (recently)? Of course we have average players as well as decent ones! Are all Tyrones Superstars? Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty like against Donegal? Aidan O'shea to get the line? who told you this? The referee?
Maybe Tyrone aren't all superstars - but there's over 25 all Ireland medals in that changing room and that brings with it a certain level of superstardom.
If Aiden O'shea was silly enough to get sent off against Donegal in a game which was over by half time then it wouldn't be totally against the realms of possibility to suggest that he may have issues come the white heat of a proper championship game.
And do you really think there's been no hype around this Mayo team in the national media? (Though it could be justified, we have to wait and see)
Spell the poor lad's name wrong. I know you're cowering in fear of him but it's the least you could do.
It's incredibly lazy analysis to think AOS is a red card threat, both incidents the last day were marginal at best and another referee may have only ticked him. AOS of two years ago was a liability when it came to wild tackling and challenges, but not the one that'll take the field on Sunday.
A quick bit of editing there to correct a nonsense first sentence Syferus? If you're going to comment on grammar or spelling at least ensure your own posts make sense first.
Short-hand, boss. So who's this Aiden character?
Excellent excellent interview tonight with James Horan by wooly for Newstalk. Can't wait for the weekend. Mickey is on tomorrow night.
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2013, 12:07:31 AM
Excellent excellent interview tonight with James Horan by wooly for Newstalk. Can't wait for the weekend. Mickey is on tomorrow night.
http://newstalk.ie/Room-to-improve-for-Mayo-but-Horan-not-looking-past-Sunday (http://newstalk.ie/Room-to-improve-for-Mayo-but-Horan-not-looking-past-Sunday)
Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
QuoteDo Mayo really merit all this hype.
Not at all. They wouldn't bate Katty Barry if the truth were told.
QuoteWhat have they actually done
Sweet FA
QuoteMost of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal.
If you say so. I thought all of it was but you probably know more than I do -about hype anyway.
QuoteGranted, it was a decent performance.
Thanks very much. You are exceedingly kind.
Quotebut I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day
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Of course they would! London would have bet them half way up the Blurestack mountains.
QuoteIndividually, Mayo have allot of average footballers.
Average? I though they were all assholes.
QuoteAt the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers,
Arra, they're that at the start of the day. You could throw in the night before as well.
Quote. and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle,
Is the Pope a Catholic? Some things are self-obvious; they need no explanation. Mayo probably won't come out for the second half.
Quotewhich I am sure Tyrone will provide.
Of course they will. Aren't they known for their aggro far and wide?
QuoteMake no mistake about it, this will be a tight game.
It probably will. Tyrone will be holding tight to every red and green jersey they come across.
QuoteThe way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
It sure won't be pretty. They'll split every hoor that get in their way- as they usually do.
QuoteSean Cav to rule the roost again,
By the time the match is over, Sean Cav will be a shoo-in for the British and Irish Lions.
QuoteO'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display
Sure , why not?. He's in the vintage category anyway.
QuoteGormley to get MoM...
He'll get an Oscar before he's finished.
Quoteand Aidan O'shea to get the line.
Only O'Shea? The other 14 will be gone as well.
QuoteTyrone by 3
Didn't you forget a 1?
Doesn't matter whither you put it before or behind the 3. Mayo are doomed; doomed I tell ye!
Look, easy tell you're a newbie; you're about 40 pages too late with this windup sh1te. We've moved on to insulting each other by now. ;D
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Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
County Mayo likes this ;)
This Rodman lad has Mayo down to a tee. Must be really embarrassing for the mighty Ulster that such a pathetic bunch would beat their golden bull. Even more embarrassing that the teams they hammered in Connacht beat or almost beat Ulster's other great world beaters. We all wish we were from Ulster.
Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
And you know what...you're a wum of the highest order.
Do ye think Croke will get 70000?
I know times are tough in Mayo and what with the final coming up and all but will you arrive in big numbers anyway?
Two decent football teams this has the potential to be the game of the year. Can tyrone match mayos free flowing confidence.
Feck me you Mayo lads are touchy! You call Rodman a wum then proceed to clamber all over yourselves to get wound up by his cheek to suggest Mayo might lose.
Looks like the pressure is getting to some of ye as Sunday approaches. This is the time of the week when the confidence begins to waver, the euphoria of the quarter diminishes and the reality of big match day becomes closer and the doubts begin to creep in. Now you begin to worry, feck, are we that good? Where Donegal that bad? Have we been properly tested yet? Is Mickey, the genius, going to mastermind another Phoenix from the flames AI? Are Tyrone too cynical for us? Are we going to collapse again in a big game? What if AidAn o'Shea doesn't perform like he did before? What if O'Neill regains his form? What if Sean Cavanagh produces another master class? Tyrone beat us in the league - is that relevant?
But don't worry - by Sunday morning the confidence returns and by the 3rd goal after 15mins of the first half youse will be world beaters again. ;D
Can't wait, may the best team win - come on Tyrone!
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Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
And you know what...you're a wum of the highest order.
So I dare to suggest a Tyrone win by 3 points and I am a wum. That in itself shows how much hype surrounds this Mayo team. Is it really farcical to suggest Sean Cavanagh will run the show, O'Neill to put in a good display and Gormley to get MoM. What crazy predictions for 3 of the best players to grace croke park over the last 10 years.
And if I did intend this to be a wind up post (which I didn't), then it sure did work.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 08:07:14 AM
Feck me you Mayo lads are touchy! You call Rodman a wum then proceed to clamber all over yourselves to get wound up by his cheek to suggest Mayo might lose.
Looks like the pressure is getting to some of ye as Sunday approaches. This is the time of the week when the confidence begins to waver, the euphoria of the quarter diminishes and the reality of big match day becomes closer and the doubts begin to creep in. Now you begin to worry, feck, are we that good? Where Donegal that bad? Have we been properly tested yet? Is Mickey, the genius, going to mastermind another Phoenix from the flames AI? Are Tyrone too cynical for us? Are we going to collapse again in a big game? What if AidAn o'Shea doesn't perform like he did before? What if O'Neill regains his form? What if Sean Cavanagh produces another master class? Tyrone beat us in the league - is that relevant?
But don't worry - by Sunday morning the confidence returns and by the 3rd goal after 15mins of the first half youse will be world beaters again. ;D
Can't wait, may the best team win - come on Tyrone!
Desperation tactics from the Tyrone boys on here! Trying to sow the seeds of doubt in the Mayo lads as they remain calm and confident :)
Larryin89 is the only Mayo lad getting carried away, and he's young and innocent, great to see ;)
Geez the Mayo lads don't like it when some of us Tyronies build up our chances. Getting very touchy.
Ya's are losing it. Pressure of the favorite tag has ya ruined!! Can only see one result now.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2013, 09:16:07 AM
Geez the Mayo lads don't like it when some of us Tyronies build up our chances. Getting very touchy.
Ya's are losing it. Pressure of the favorite tag has ya ruined!! Can only see one result now.
It's not building yourselves up that gets people touchy, it's knocking us down!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 08:07:14 AM
Feck me you Mayo lads are touchy! You call Rodman a wum then proceed to clamber all over yourselves to get wound up by his cheek to suggest Mayo might lose.
Looks like the pressure is getting to some of ye as Sunday approaches. This is the time of the week when the confidence begins to waver, the euphoria of the quarter diminishes and the reality of big match day becomes closer and the doubts begin to creep in. Now you begin to worry, feck, are we that good? Where Donegal that bad? Have we been properly tested yet? Is Mickey, the genius, going to mastermind another Phoenix from the flames AI? Are Tyrone too cynical for us? Are we going to collapse again in a big game? What if AidAn o'Shea doesn't perform like he did before? What if O'Neill regains his form? What if Sean Cavanagh produces another master class? Tyrone beat us in the league - is that relevant?
But don't worry - by Sunday morning the confidence returns and by the 3rd goal after 15mins of the first half youse will be world beaters again. ;D
Can't wait, may the best team win - come on Tyrone!
There will be two hits on Sunday Benny, me hitting you and you hitting the ground ;).
How about that for touchiness ;D
The questions mount up, James Horan a man who has done it all on the pitch now takes his knowledge of what it takes and puts it back to a new group of wannabee Mayo greats following in the footsteps of Horan, Mc Hale Nallan, Mc Donald and Mc Stay. Can they carry out it to the letter in the white heat of an all Ireland semi final? There is much talk about discipline issues (generally from the pot noodlers) - Who will crack first? O Shea or Cavanagh? How does the referee start this game. Doe he limit the game with a raft of early yellows and wait till later till the games hot and tackles or wielding in to exert his match deciding influence? or play it fair? Joe Brolly probably wants every man on a yellow as early as possible, so he can run his script - perhaps he can get Sean Cavanagh the line that way. I believe the team that wins on Sunday will be champions in September. Have Mayo played their all Ireland final? Will O Sheas hamstring play up, Mc Mahons groin? Either way this is the reason why Tyrone guys bought their premiums seats - its a battle out there so you need to watch this one inside in comfort. Enjoy your fine wine I just hope its red and white. good luck to both teams banter has been good, lets hope those bollixes in rte don't diminish, put down our honest endeavours - Both Mayo (Abuse of Mickey Moran and last years allegations and now Tyrone have suffered in the last 2 years and are united on that front. Both these teams deserve to win this years all Ireland . Its simply a case of which one will. Tir Eoghain agus Datsun abu!
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 07:25:50 AM
Do ye think Croke will get 70000?
I know times are tough in Mayo and what with the final coming up and all but will you arrive in big numbers anyway?
I would say there will be a big enough crowd O' Neill but I doubt there will be more than 60000 from both counties? Will there be a 2003/2005/2008 like crowds from Tyrone for this one?
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2013, 09:16:07 AM
Geez the Mayo lads don't like it when some of us Tyronies build up our chances. Getting very touchy.
Ya's are losing it. Pressure of the favorite tag has ya ruined!! Can only see one result now.
This build up reminds me of Clare in the 1990s. Everyone wanted them to win the hurling. but after they won they behaved as nouveau riche and looked down their noses at everyone else.
From a Mayo point of view we usually go to semi-finals in Croker with hope and little else. The big exceptions to this in my opinion were 1997 & 2004. We were favourites and entitled to be.
This year the bookies have us favourites and on form we are entitled to be. That will mean nothing when the ball is thrown in as always and we could easily be beaten. Tyrone are one of the best teams at making a dogfight of a game and they know how to win.
However the snobbish put downs of Mayo from the occasional (and new it must be said) posters reminds me of the Clare supporters of the late 1990s.
Tyrone may well win, but Mayo are justifiably favourites at the moment. Some of the nouveau riche need to learn it is no longer 2008.
There will be some meltdown by a few Mayo bucks on here if they don't win! Their expectations must put serious pressure on the players who no doubt will know that anything less that an AI title will be a complete failure in their supporters eyes.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 21, 2013, 09:36:30 AM
There will be some meltdown by a few Mayo bucks on here if they don't win! Their expectations must put serious pressure on the players who no doubt will know that anything less that an AI title will be a complete failure in their supporters eyes.
Correct, except the bit about the players. That has been the case in every game including Salthill and it hasn't bothered them.
I hope Horan and the lads read some of the Tyrone posts here dismissing them as chokers and losers.
If Mayo lose this, will they be stepping down as a county?
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
If Mayo lose this, will they be stepping down as a county?
What, and refer to recent history for your answer, makes you think we will fade away if we lose?
Must try harder.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
If Mayo lose this, will they be stepping down as a county?
Sure didn't we step on Down already last year in the quarters. Ye're turn thos year :)
This is different to every other year. Mayo are everyone's banker for the AI and it not even a month away. Virtually unbackable. That's some bloody pressure.
It'll take them 10/15 years to recover as a county.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2013, 09:16:07 AM
Geez the Mayo lads don't like it when some of us Tyronies build up our chances. Getting very touchy.
Ya's are losing it. Pressure of the favorite tag has ya ruined!! Can only see one result now.
This build up reminds me of Clare in the 1990s. Everyone wanted them to win the hurling. but after they won they behaved as nouveau riche and looked down their noses at everyone else.
From a Mayo point of view we usually go to semi-finals in Croker with hope and little else. The big exceptions to this in my opinion were 1997 & 2004. We were favourites and entitled to be.
This year the bookies have us favourites and on form we are entitled to be. That will mean nothing when the ball is thrown in as always and we could easily be beaten. Tyrone are one of the best teams at making a dogfight of a game and they know how to win.
However the snobbish put downs of Mayo from the occasional (and new it must be said) posters reminds me of the Clare supporters of the late 1990s.
Tyrone may well win, but Mayo are justifiably favourites at the moment. Some of the nouveau riche need to learn it is no longer 2008.
Mayo fans are behaving like nouveau riche before they have even won a modern day All Ireland. I've been around this board long enough, I just happen to have a bit more spare time to post this past few weeks and I've never read such touchiness from a bunch of lads in the lead up to a game. A Tyrone poster can't predict a Tyrone win without being gang banged by half of Mayo. I've said on this thread before that I respect Mayo and what Horan has done, I've also said that I think its unlikely Tyrone will win the game, but I'm also allowed to make points with regards to why I think Tyrone deserve a bit of respect too and that this may not be foregone conclusion.
Now the real Tyrone spirit is coming out! It was all far too polite and respectful for the lead up to a big match involving the red handers.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
If Mayo lose this, will they be stepping down as a county?
When Mayo lost to Meath after a replay in 96 in heart breaking gut wrenching style, I felt that their indiscipline cost the team badly in the early part of the replay. They worked that one out regrouped improved their discipline, plugged all the gaps, trained hard and got right back in there to make the 97 final where Ok they might have got hockeyed again but they still showed a perseverance and stoicness which is their greatest admirable quality. Any other county after the misery of 89,96,97, 2004, 2007 and 2011, would simply accept the fact that their football culture dosent lend itself to that type of mental and physical toughness required at the level they so often find themselves at, from being born of Connaught and surrounded by teams that don't really take it as seriously as themselves. When they got tough against Meath they lost and unfortunately they questioned their approach to that game and refined it. If you ask me that refinement of their football approach has cost them all Irelands - They became too nice and likeable. As Colm Coyle polishes his 96 all Ireland medal and sets it back on the mantelpiece he probably cant even remember that he was sent off that day.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=-jOWkw79Uyo
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QA--8hBcGhA&feature=related
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-zP_gkTrzk
Just watch the games , compare to Mayo and make up your mind , it's simple , this over analysing nowadays is madness.
Larry is young and innocent, larry is a wum , larry is from Hoganstand blah blah , Larry will be right though.
Best Mayo team in history in the making, some wont realise till the dream is realised others can feel it already.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:59:53 AM
Now the real Tyrone spirit is coming out! It was all far too polite and respectful for the lead up to a big match involving the red handers.
Yes, like Crete Boom threatening to hit me? ;D You lads are very civilised, ::)
Its old civil war politics that one.. ;)
What is the weather like in Dublin lads?
For the anoraks
As far as I can figure out (since 1900) Mayo has lost All-Ireland semi-finals to Ulster opposition twice:
1937 against Cavan
1992 Donegal
Mayo has beaten Uslter opposition in semi-finals 4 times:
1932 Cavan won
1950 Armagh won
1989 Tyrone won
2004 Fermanagh
Mayo played Tyrone 3 times in the Championship:
1989 Won
2004 Won
2008 Lost
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
If Mayo lose this, will they be stepping down as a county?
When Mayo lost to Meath after a replay in 96 in heart breaking gut wrenching style, I felt that their indiscipline cost the team badly in the early part of the replay. They worked that one out regrouped improved their discipline, plugged all the gaps, trained hard and got right back in there to make the 97 final where Ok they might have got hockeyed again but they still showed a perseverance and stoicness which is their greatest admirable quality. Any other county after the misery of 89,96,97, 2004, 2007 and 2011, would simply accept the fact that their football culture dosent lend itself to that type of mental and physical toughness required at the level they so often find themselves at, from being born of Connaught and surrounded by teams that don't really take it as seriously as themselves. When they got tough against Meath they lost and unfortunately they questioned their approach to that game and refined it. If you ask me that refinement of their football approach has cost them all Irelands - They became too nice and likeable. As Colm Coyle polishes his 96 all Ireland medal and sets it back on the mantelpiece he probably cant even remember that he was sent off that day.
But surely there's only so much a man can take.
They have themselves in knots and riddles over the word 'hype' - playing it down, playing it up, doesn't matter, does matter.
I think if Mayo had a wee bit of that northern Protestant stoicism they'd be the Kerry of the West.
So, who do we use to put the clampers on O'Shea? Is Cillian going to tear McCarron a new one?
I liked Madden's thinking of starting Ronan O'Neill and take the game to Mayo instead of the predicted wearing down approach.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2013, 09:16:07 AM
Geez the Mayo lads don't like it when some of us Tyronies build up our chances. Getting very touchy.
Ya's are losing it. Pressure of the favorite tag has ya ruined!! Can only see one result now.
This build up reminds me of Clare in the 1990s. Everyone wanted them to win the hurling. but after they won they behaved as nouveau riche and looked down their noses at everyone else.
From a Mayo point of view we usually go to semi-finals in Croker with hope and little else. The big exceptions to this in my opinion were 1997 & 2004. We were favourites and entitled to be.
This year the bookies have us favourites and on form we are entitled to be. That will mean nothing when the ball is thrown in as always and we could easily be beaten. Tyrone are one of the best teams at making a dogfight of a game and they know how to win.
However the snobbish put downs of Mayo from the occasional (and new it must be said) posters reminds me of the Clare supporters of the late 1990s.
Tyrone may well win, but Mayo are justifiably favourites at the moment. Some of the nouveau riche need to learn it is no longer 2008.
Mayo fans are behaving like nouveau riche before they have even won a modern day All Ireland. I've been around this board long enough, I just happen to have a bit more spare time to post this past few weeks and I've never read such touchiness from a bunch of lads in the lead up to a game. A Tyrone poster can't predict a Tyrone win without being gang banged by half of Mayo. I've said on this thread before that I respect Mayo and what Horan has done, I've also said that I think its unlikely Tyrone will win the game, but I'm also allowed to make points with regards to why I think Tyrone deserve a bit of respect too and that this may not be foregone conclusion.
Relax I clearly pointed to new Tyrone supporters. Predicting a Tyrone win is not a problem obviously, it is the looking down their noses with adolescent 'choker' and 'loser' comments that is grinding people.
I work with a few lads from Mayo. Two of them have booked off the 24-26th September, as are their friends apparently. Now that's just cocky !
Quote from: Bensars on August 21, 2013, 10:21:59 AM
I work with a few lads from Mayo. Two of them have booked off the 24-26th September, as are their friends apparently. Now that's just cocky !
Nope, they obviously are going to work on the 23rd.
BTW are you related to Fearon?
Boyle, Keegan, Vaughan - the best half back line this year. The Donnellys have their work cut out.
McLoughlin - needs watched - who??
My mistake muppet, the three days following all ireland final anyway
Agreed.
Theres bound to be a different way of getting it across. I believe that Mayo football needs to take a grip of this match to abolish the 25 years of misery. If they are good enough to beat Tyrone they will win the all Ireland it is as simple as that. Similarly if Tyrone are good enough to beat Mayo they will win the all Ireland. Both teams need to prove themselves. Tyrone that they are more than what the Joe Brollys and their ilk think they are and Mayo that they have learned all their lessons - that they know that Gaelic Football is physical and whilst you cant kick men around the field a la 96 you also cant pat them on the back every time they win the next ball.
There are two men more important here than the rest... it all comes down to which Aidan O Shea turns up for Mayo.
Quote from: Bensars on August 21, 2013, 10:25:26 AM
My mistake muppet, the three days following all ireland final anyway
;)
It must be quite some time that there has been such generous odds on a semi finalist.
Mayo 2/7 Tyrone 7/2
With those odds you would expect Mayo to win by some margin !
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 10:24:31 AM
Boyle, Keegan, Vaughan - the best half back line this year. The Donnellys have their work cut out.
McLoughlin - needs watched - who??
McLoughlin hasn't hit the heights of last year yet, although like everyone else he was good against Donegal. But I think if we are to progress we need himself and Andy Moran back to where they were last summer (Andy before the injury obviously).
Some great stats there lads. I think I would fear Mayo more if we were meeting them in the final. Their bad luck in the final is due a change having lost 6 in 24 years. That's a heart wrenching 1 out of 4 years spoiling the endeavours of two generations of Mayo footballers. Who knows this year could be the year it is all put right. That what looks like a multi generational culture of failure can finally be put to bed. Every now and then a team gets over their rainbow without tripping. I for one hope to be there to clap you home in the final.
Well you may forget about getting Andy back to where he was before injury, the dogs on the street around dalton tce now that.
I have my doubts he'll start the weekend tbh. (Sadly)
73 pages of hype shows a certain frailty in the Mayo support. Mayo are out and out favourites in the public and mediappundits. If Mayo don't get off to a flyer on Sunday how long before the mental frailties of past calamities begin to show ? Mickey will setup to keep the game tight in the first half to test their metal. Mayo supporter's have set themselves up for a massive disappointment with all their Mayo for Sam Guff. If the game is touch and go with 10 to go I wonder where all the smart money will go. Don't forget that of the 4 contenders left only one has a manager who has done it before. You can dismiss this fact if you like but experience and know how has a massive bearing on games at this level. If Mayo struggle to get to grips with Tyrone early on I expect the confidence of the Mayo support to melt like snow of the ditch in the stands. As supporters begin to lose confidence it's amazing how that can seep onto the pitch in the bear pit of Croke Park.
I have sat at Mayo's big games before and felt like leaving after 10 minutes too many times to completely trust them to back them. It is quite correct to point out that confidence can be like melting snow in Croke Park. Its a horrible place to go when you are not playing London, Leitrim or a knackered Donegal. This is no exhibition game.
While I am sure Harte will have analysed us closely, the so called pundits haven't seemed to pick up on how strategically we are playing this year. A couple of Tyrone posters here have hit the nail on the head but they are in the minority.
We are using a few key tactics that are a step up from last year's plan. Emmet Byrne is probably the one to come closest to accurately describing them.
It will be very interesting to see what Harte does to deal with it.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 21, 2013, 10:40:49 AM
73 pages of hype shows a certain frailty in the Mayo support. Mayo are out and out favourites in the public and mediappundits. If Mayo don't get off to a flyer on Sunday how long before the mental frailties of past calamities begin to show ? Mickey will setup to keep the game tight in the first half to test their metal. Mayo supporter's have set themselves up for a massive disappointment with all their Mayo for Sam Guff. If the game is touch and go with 10 to go I wonder where all the smart money will go. Don't forget that of the 4 contenders left only one has a manager who has done it before. You can dismiss this fact if you like but experience and know how has a massive bearing on games at this level. If Mayo struggle to get to grips with Tyrone early on I expect the confidence of the Mayo support to melt like snow of the ditch in the stands. As supporters begin to lose confidence it's amazing how that can seep onto the pitch in the bear pit of Croke Park.
Yawn, with 7 posts I presume you must be new here. If you weren't you would know that mayo playing an FBD match against GMIT can muster 40 pages so 73 pages is no surprise.
These threads are some craic to read, whats even more craic is to read them after a match to see just how wrong everyone usually is, and how, despite the days that are robbed from the employers of Ireland with us posting shite here, most of us know feck all about it anyway.
You'll rarely find much actual analysis here its usually Ger Canning stereotype comments about "Meath never give up", "Mayo always choke", "Ulster football is dirty" "Kerry are cute hoors" and any teams changes are basically bigged up or written off by what has gone before.
but tis still some craic.
I'm going for a draw with a Rob Hennelley kick out bouncing outside the large parallelogram and going over the bar in the 7th minute of injury time to steal the draw for Mayo. Tyrone win the replay in Casement Park by 5
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 10:46:46 AM
I have sat at Mayo's big games before and felt like leaving after 10 minutes too many times to completely trust them to back them. It is quite correct to point out that confidence can be like melting snow in Croke Park. Its a horrible place to go when you are not playing London, Leitrim or a knackered Donegal. This is no exhibition game.
Or the all Ireland champions three years on the trot, horrible place indeed with sixty thousand home supporters screaming , how could any team handle that.
I can see Tyrone edging this one. Whilst this is not be best Tyrone team we have seen for a while, they are still scraping out results and are hard to beat. Tyrone have done it all before (Connor Gormley has 3 Celtic crosses in his back pocket).
On paper I feel that Mayo are a much better side than Tyrone. But something keeps telling me that Tyrone will turn them over.
What do the Tyronies on the board think they're achieving with all this condescending shite and faux concern for Mayo football and Mayo supporters? Did ye all arrange a meeting and decide this is the new tactic for the run up to the game?
Lads, the players on the pitch don't read this shite, so it's not going to have any affect.
Ye might get the odd one who'll bite, which I suppose will give ye some entertainment and reason for cheer - ye mightn't have much of that on Sunday ;)
We owe Tyrone big time for 2008.
Id say Harte is concentrating on getting a performance out of his own team. We haven't even gone into tactics yet. Id say the video of last years all Ireland final will be watched closely to get it right, maybe the morning of the game after the fry.
Not codding here or anything but where would the base be for the Mayo Sam homecoming?
Castlebar?
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 10:54:09 AM
Not codding here or anything but where would the base be for the Mayo Sam homecoming?
Castlebar?
Same as for every county these days.
Copper Faced Jacks.
Is it true that the Tyrone supporters have organised fund raising buckets for the game for that drug dealer in Peru?
Iorras 27 post a bit of a newbie your self. The Mayo support here are a very touchy lot. What's up the dreams been shattered once to often ? Believe all the hype you want but come Sunday reality kicks in.
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Id say Harte is concentrating on getting a performance out of his own team. We haven't even gone into tactics yet. Id say the video of last years all Ireland final will be watched closely to get it right, maybe the morning of the game after the fry.
Could we see a change of tactic altogether, with a big fella like Cassidy in full forward? He played in there for a short time v Monaghan and looking at last years AI final goals is the long ball into FF a weakness to exploit? Stevie playing a more open CHF role a la Gooch?
Quote from: iorras on August 21, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 21, 2013, 10:40:49 AM
73 pages of hype shows a certain frailty in the Mayo support. Mayo are out and out favourites in the public and mediappundits. If Mayo don't get off to a flyer on Sunday how long before the mental frailties of past calamities begin to show ? Mickey will setup to keep the game tight in the first half to test their metal. Mayo supporter's have set themselves up for a massive disappointment with all their Mayo for Sam Guff. If the game is touch and go with 10 to go I wonder where all the smart money will go. Don't forget that of the 4 contenders left only one has a manager who has done it before. You can dismiss this fact if you like but experience and know how has a massive bearing on games at this level. If Mayo struggle to get to grips with Tyrone early on I expect the confidence of the Mayo support to melt like snow of the ditch in the stands. As supporters begin to lose confidence it's amazing how that can seep onto the pitch in the bear pit of Croke Park.
Yawn, with 7 posts I presume you must be new here. If you weren't you would know that mayo playing an FBD match against GMIT can muster 40 pages so 73 pages is no surprise.
These threads are some craic to read, whats even more craic is to read them after a match to see just how wrong everyone usually is, and how, despite the days that are robbed from the employers of Ireland with us posting shite here, most of us know feck all about it anyway.
You'll rarely find much actual analysis here its usually Ger Canning stereotype comments about "Meath never give up", "Mayo always choke", "Ulster football is dirty" "Kerry are cute hoors" and any teams changes are basically bigged up or written off by what has gone before.
but tis still some craic.
I'm going for a draw with a Rob Hennelley kick out bouncing outside the large parallelogram and going over the bar in the 7th minute of injury time to steal the draw for Mayo. Tyrone win the replay in Casement Park by 5
Ah for Canavan's sake there's no great mystery to Mayo this year. Same as every other good team - force the opposition to shoot from awkward angles, attack at blistering pace and support the attack in droves. A one helluva midfielder.
Reading this would make you want to fire the PC out the window, theres some awful shite been written.
To clear somethings up, or THE FACTS as the Tyrone lads might say
Aidan O'Shea has been consistent for mayo for the last two years, he was exceptional against Donegal. His distribution has improved out of sight and we in Mayo think he has the making of the best midfielder in the country. There should be no doubt about him "showing up on Sunday". He is however going up against the current undoutbed best midfielder in the country.
Yes we know we havent won an all-ireland in a million years and according to some that means we cant be counted in the elite. If I was Tyrone and had a choice of playing Down, Armagh, Derry, Galway, Meath or Mayo I know which one would be bottom of my list. Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
Not everyone would have beaten Donegal, to say so is nonsense, nor does it matter that Tyrone lost to them, as in 2008 that Tyrone team thats in the semi final is light years away from the team that lost to Donegal. Mayo blew Donegal out of the water and stopped them having any believe.
To my mind Mayo have only choked twice in Croke park, both in '96 and both to Meath, is the only time I felt we've lost to a team that we were better than and that team went on to win another all-ireland, its not like we lost to a bad team. Every other defeat has been to a team that was equal or better than us.
BUT having lost six on the bounce is no guarantee we'll win the 7th.
When people talk about our past calamities and frailities I always wonder what they are talking about? Meath and tyrone in quarter finals were maybe winnable matches, Galway in '98 but thats a long time ago, as is Cork in '99. Donegal last year? Beaten by the better team. Kerry in '04 & '06? Again better team, we were lucky to have gotten that far and played against one of the best teams of a generation.
Lastly I would argue that COC is a marquee forward but even if you dont agree with that there are some many other scorers on the pitch and he is so accurate from frees that I dont think its an issue.
I expect us to win this and lose to Dublin. I think we'd wipe the floor with Kerry ;)
Maigh Eo abu
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Id say Harte is concentrating on getting a performance out of his own team. We haven't even gone into tactics yet. Id say the video of last years all Ireland final will be watched closely to get it right, maybe the morning of the game after the fry.
Could we see a change of tactic altogether, with a big fella like Cassidy in full forward? He played in there for a short time v Monaghan and looking at last years AI final goals is the long ball into FF a weakness to exploit? Stevie playing a more open CHF role a la Gooch?
You could be right there Benny, we've been undone by that a few times in the past
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Id say Harte is concentrating on getting a performance out of his own team. We haven't even gone into tactics yet. Id say the video of last years all Ireland final will be watched closely to get it right, maybe the morning of the game after the fry.
Could we see a change of tactic altogether, with a big fella like Cassidy in full forward? He played in there for a short time v Monaghan and looking at last years AI final goals is the long ball into FF a weakness to exploit? Stevie playing a more open CHF role a la Gooch?
Yep more informative posts about Mayo. They have not worked on that at all, the first thing they said when they regrouped for 13 was , look we just have to hope no team watches the final again because we can't improve in this area at all. Well spotted.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Id say Harte is concentrating on getting a performance out of his own team. We haven't even gone into tactics yet. Id say the video of last years all Ireland final will be watched closely to get it right, maybe the morning of the game after the fry.
Could we see a change of tactic altogether, with a big fella like Cassidy in full forward? He played in there for a short time v Monaghan and looking at last years AI final goals is the long ball into FF a weakness to exploit? Stevie playing a more open CHF role a la Gooch?
You could be right there Benny, we've been undone by that a few times in the past
I really, really hope Tyrone do that.
But Harte is no fool.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Reading this would make you want to fire the PC out the window, theres some awful shite been written.
That's cute. You boys still use PCs? Listen, there's these things coming called tablets soon. Don't feed them to your granny.
Well I'll go back to the original point that we know we havent won the AI, you dont have to win it to be consistent.
We have won five semi finals, eight connacht championship, a league final and maybe six league semi finals. We've also been the only team to retain division one status in that time (well since '96 at least).
Consistent enough? Or are you going to come back with the tired line of us not having won the all ireland?
By winning one will that make us consistent?
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Reading this would make you want to fire the PC out the window, theres some awful shite been written.
That's cute. You boys still use PCs? Listen, there's these things coming called tablets soon. Don't feed them to your granny.
theres a recession on in the free state o'neill, we're still on windows 95
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Id say Harte is concentrating on getting a performance out of his own team. We haven't even gone into tactics yet. Id say the video of last years all Ireland final will be watched closely to get it right, maybe the morning of the game after the fry.
Could we see a change of tactic altogether, with a big fella like Cassidy in full forward? He played in there for a short time v Monaghan and looking at last years AI final goals is the long ball into FF a weakness to exploit? Stevie playing a more open CHF role a la Gooch?
Yep more informative posts about Mayo. They have not worked on that at all, the first thing they said when they regrouped for 13 was , look we just have to hope no team watches the final again because we can't improve in this area at all. Well spotted.
So what youse done to solve that problem?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:12:59 AM
Well I'll go back to the original point that we know we havent won the AI, you dont have to win it to be consistent.
We have won five semi finals, eight connacht championship, a league final and maybe six league semi finals. We've also been the only team to retain division one status in that time (well since '96 at least).
Consistent enough? Or are you going to come back with the tired line of us not having won the all ireland?
By winning one will that make us consistent?
So you have lost 5 AI finals and 5 league finals. That's fairly consistent alright!
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:12:59 AM
Well I'll go back to the original point that we know we havent won the AI, you dont have to win it to be consistent.
We have won five semi finals, eight connacht championship, a league final and maybe six league semi finals. We've also been the only team to retain division one status in that time (well since '96 at least).
Consistent enough? Or are you going to come back with the tired line of us not having won the all ireland?
By winning one will that make us consistent?
So you have lost 5 AI finals and 5 league finals. That's fairly consistent alright!
Absolutely, but getting there is consistent also.
In fact winning could ruin our consistency!
https://twitter.com/tyronegaalive/status/370117414228197376
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:12:59 AM
Well I'll go back to the original point that we know we havent won the AI, you dont have to win it to be consistent.
We have won five semi finals, eight connacht championship, a league final and maybe six league semi finals. We've also been the only team to retain division one status in that time (well since '96 at least).
Consistent enough? Or are you going to come back with the tired line of us not having won the all ireland?
By winning one will that make us consistent?
How may finals have you lost including the league ones that's unreal levels of consistency - There is a place known as Mayotopia.http://mayotopia.blogspot.co.uk/. Who laid the curse? You must have disturbed something in knock when ye built the airport?
All Stars comparison in the current squads:
Tyrone 12 Mayo 6
Bookies have missed this.
To be able to gloat on Monday you have to post the bet before Sunday.
Tyrone at 7/2 is a giveaway.
€1.
Mayo are favourites and rightly so, but 7/2 is a massive price for tyrone at this stage.
The last time i remember tyrone being that big a price for a game in croke park was dublin in 2008.........
This must be the least hyped up All Ireland Semi Final that Tyrone have ever played. Hardly a flag up anywhere in the county, and pretty much everyone you speak to gives the team no chance at all.
No one outside of the team expects to win really.
Lads, a crowd of us are heading down to Dub on Saturday for a few days for the game. Can anyone recommend a good, cheap place to abandon the car for the entirety of the weekend? Anywhere handy to the city centre will be grand.
Tony, you'll free parking along the Luas lines if you go out a bit. The red cow may be free and its handy to get into town. Otherwise somewhere like Phibsboro should have some street with free weekend parking.
Quote from: tonysoprano on August 21, 2013, 11:36:31 AM
Lads, a crowd of us are heading down to Dub on Saturday for a few days for the game. Can anyone recommend a good, cheap place to abandon the car for the entirety of the weekend? Anywhere handy to the city centre will be grand.
http://www.irishrail.ie/Clongriffin (http://www.irishrail.ie/Clongriffin)
Underground car park beside the Dart station. It will be quiet but it is safe as far as I know and is
free. (It was closed last month for a while ago so might be worth phoning irishrail to check it is open again). Bit if it is open it is dead handy for people coming in to the North of the city.
Easy to get to off the M1, left for Malahide after the airport, left at 2nd roundabout after big Tesco on the right and then right at traffic lights.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:28:47 AM
All Stars comparison in the current squads:
Tyrone 12 Mayo 6
Bookies have missed this.
To be able to gloat on Monday you have to post the bet before Sunday.
Tyrone at 7/2 is a giveaway.
€1.
12½ if you include Joe McMahon!
Quote from: blanketattack on August 21, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:28:47 AM
All Stars comparison in the current squads:
Tyrone 12 Mayo 6
Bookies have missed this.
To be able to gloat on Monday you have to post the bet before Sunday.
Tyrone at 7/2 is a giveaway.
€1.
12½ if you include Joe McMahon!
Actually I should have included Justin so 13!
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 21, 2013, 11:36:13 AM
This must be the least hyped up All Ireland Semi Final that Tyrone have ever played. Hardly a flag up anywhere in the county, and pretty much everyone you speak to gives the team no chance at all.
No one outside of the team expects to win really.
LOL, have you not read any of the last 20 pages?
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: tonysoprano on August 21, 2013, 11:36:31 AM
Lads, a crowd of us are heading down to Dub on Saturday for a few days for the game. Can anyone recommend a good, cheap place to abandon the car for the entirety of the weekend? Anywhere handy to the city centre will be grand.
http://www.irishrail.ie/Clongriffin (http://www.irishrail.ie/Clongriffin)
Underground car park beside the Dart station. It will be quiet but it is safe as far as I know and is free. (It was closed last month for a while ago so might be worth phoning irishrail to check it is open again). Bit if it is open it is dead handy for people coming in to the North of the city.
Easy to get to off the M1, left for Malahide after the airport, left at 2nd roundabout after big Tesco on the right and then right at traffic lights.
Thanks muppet! Will check it out.
Quote from: tonysoprano on August 21, 2013, 11:36:31 AM
Lads, a crowd of us are heading down to Dub on Saturday for a few days for the game. Can anyone recommend a good, cheap place to abandon the car for the entirety of the weekend? Anywhere handy to the city centre will be grand.
St Ignatius road off dorset street ( across the road from red parrott pub ) has free weekend on street parking. 5 min walk to croker and 10 mins to O'Connell street. Lived there for a year, v safe. Never had any problems.
Whilst I think Mayo are worthy favourites for this game, how they can be priced up at 2/7 to win this game is hard to justify. The national media hype has effected the bookies rationale on this one if you analyse the form. Tyrone have been steadily gaining momentum in the back door and had a very good League camapaign being the only team to beat the Dubs this calendar year. Mayo have been very impressive in the championship to date and have effectively been out of sight by half time in their games to date. Based on form Mayo deserve to be warm favourites but to be 2/7 in an AI semi final against Tyrone would suggest they are playing no hopers. Player for player I don't believe there is an awful lot of difference between the sides.
I really want Mayo to win but I am tempted to play on Tyrone at 7/2 for the value bet.
Id imagine Harte will start with Big Cassidy at number 14, and load it into him like Donegal did with Murphy last year. Make no mistake about it the loss of Penrose will be difficult to overcome and I suspect that you could see a job here for Dermy Carlin winning the dirty ball and defending from 15 back. I have heard big Packie is hitting the frees well in training. Any more tactics?
This thread has been great craic. Firstly we started of nice and slow, then Mayo Mick broke ground and went in guns blazing. a few Tyrone boys retaliate, and the onslaught from Mayo began. Then things simmered down again and we even had a bit of patting each other on the back before "hype" was brought into it. This was followed by both sides playing their chances down and a bit of cute hourism before Larry comes in and kicks it all of again. We've had accusations of arrogance, ignorance, poor mouth, over confidence, under confidence, being past it, never being it, bottlers, not tested, over achievement and plenty more.
But sure you'd rather be involved in it than not!! :D
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
Id imagine Harte will start with Big Cassidy at number 14, and load it into him like Donegal did with Murphy last year. Make no mistake about it the loss of Penrose will be difficult to overcome and I suspect that you could see a job here for Dermy Carlin winning the dirty ball and defending from 15 back. I have heard big Packie is hitting the frees well in training.
I really hope so, but I doubt Harte will do it. It worked a treat for 10 minutes for Donegal last year but that was about it. It would be great to see Tyrone completely change tactics for this game, but I expect Harte will have far more faith in his men than that.
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
Id imagine Harte will start with Big Cassidy at number 14, and load it into him like Donegal did with Murphy last year. Make no mistake about it the loss of Penrose will be difficult to overcome and I suspect that you could see a job here for Dermy Carlin winning the dirty ball and defending from 15 back. I have heard big Packie is hitting the frees well in training. Any more tactics?
Cassidy won't start a cship game for Tyrone in foreseeable future. Impact player due to his lack of mobility. Apparently those tracker vests they were bear testify to that.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2013, 12:04:35 PM
This thread has been great craic. Firstly we started of nice and slow, then Mayo Mick broke ground and went in guns blazing. a few Tyrone boys retaliate, and the onslaught from Mayo began. Then things simmered down again and we even had a bit of patting each other on the back before "hype" was brought into it. This was followed by both sides playing their chances down and a bit of cute hourism before Larry comes in and kicks it all of again. We've had accusations of arrogance, ignorance, poor mouth, over confidence, under confidence, being past it, never being it, bottlers, not tested, over achievement and plenty more.
But sure you'd rather be involved in it than not!! :D
Yes it is great to be involved at the end of August and we shouldn't take it for granted.
I am thinking of bringing my young lad as it might be a long time before Mayo are here again. Although I suspect he will end up supporting the Dubs when he is older.
there's no way mickey harte would start cassidy and have tyrone pump balls at. they done it for a while againist monaghan with hardly any positive outcome
Tyrone heads down and modest and as we get closer to the match we will give it our all and hopefully fingers crossed Cavanagh is fit to play.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:28:47 AM
All Stars comparison in the current squads:
Tyrone 12 Mayo 6
Bookies have missed this.
To be able to gloat on Monday you have to post the bet before Sunday.
Tyrone at 7/2 is a giveaway.
€1.
13/1 for Kerry/Tyrone double
Mayo will win this, the semi specialists, but like all semi specialists the are good up to a point but when they really need to finish the job off they're too soft centred and flop dramatically. Nowhere near hard enough when it comes to the business end of things and the whole show ends up an anti-climax.
How do Mayo boys respond to boxes up the gub?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 21, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
....good up to a point but when they really need to finish the job off they're too soft centred and flop dramatically. Nowhere near hard enough when it comes to the business end of things and the whole show ends up an anti-climax.
I feel sorry for Mrs BCB.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 21, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
Mayo will win this, the semi specialists, but like all semi specialists the are good up to a point but when they really need to finish the job off they're too soft centred and flop dramatically. Nowhere near hard enough when it comes to the business end of things and the whole show ends up an anti-climax.
Spoken like a true Rossie.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 21, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
....good up to a point but when they really need to finish the job off they're too soft centred and flop dramatically. Nowhere near hard enough when it comes to the business end of things and the whole show ends up an anti-climax.
I feel sorry for Mrs BCB.
Not half as sorry as I do :(
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 12:24:58 PM
How do Mayo boys respond to boxes up the gub?
We'll find out on Sunday for sure!
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 12:24:58 PM
How do Mayo boys respond to boxes up the gub?
Dunno, we haven't been tested.
Quote from: southdown on August 21, 2013, 10:50:28 AM
I can see Tyrone edging this one. Whilst this is not be best Tyrone team we have seen for a while, they are still scraping out results and are hard to beat. Tyrone have done it all before (Connor Gormley has 3 Celtic crosses in his back pocket).
Joe Brolly's head burst during the Tyrone v Mayo All Ireland semi final today when he noticed Tyrone players taking to the field wearing shorts with pockets. The fact came to his attention when viewers noticed that Tyrone players appeared to have pockets in the back of their shorts during the warm up. This turned into a bigger issue during the game when Conor Gormley was shouldered over by Alan Dillon and two medals fell out of his back pocket. It is believed that one stayed in his pocket after the impact.
The GAA's CCCCCCCCCCCCC are calling for an urgent meeting with kit maker O'Neills to discover how this latest abomination brought to the game by Tyrone could have happened. They are believed to at least be demanding velcro on the pockets so that All Ireland medals will stay in place during games.
Mr Brolly is recovering in hospital.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
Id imagine Harte will start with Big Cassidy at number 14, and load it into him like Donegal did with Murphy last year. Make no mistake about it the loss of Penrose will be difficult to overcome and I suspect that you could see a job here for Dermy Carlin winning the dirty ball and defending from 15 back. I have heard big Packie is hitting the frees well in training.
I really hope so, but I doubt Harte will do it. It worked a treat for 10 minutes for Donegal last year but that was about it. It would be great to see Tyrone completely change tactics for this game, but I expect Harte will have far more faith in his men than that.
You're thinking that he lines out at 14 and stands here for the whole 70mins? A more fluid approach may be necessary, moving between ff and mf. Do we know for sure that Mayo have solved that problem? Did the Donegal tactic last year catch them completely unaware - surely they were planning or the odd long ball into Murphy? But they still conceded 2 goals. It may have only been the first 10mins - but the damage was done!
I agree with you both. If Mayo can stop Tyrone scoring a couple of goals in the first 10 minutes then it would certainly make us sit up.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
Id imagine Harte will start with Big Cassidy at number 14, and load it into him like Donegal did with Murphy last year. Make no mistake about it the loss of Penrose will be difficult to overcome and I suspect that you could see a job here for Dermy Carlin winning the dirty ball and defending from 15 back. I have heard big Packie is hitting the frees well in training.
I really hope so, but I doubt Harte will do it. It worked a treat for 10 minutes for Donegal last year but that was about it. It would be great to see Tyrone completely change tactics for this game, but I expect Harte will have far more faith in his men than that.
You're thinking that he lines out at 14 and stands here for the whole 70mins? A more fluid approach may be necessary, moving between ff and mf. Do we know for sure that Mayo have solved that problem? Did the Donegal tactic last year catch them completely unaware - surely they were planning or the odd long ball into Murphy? But they still conceded 2 goals. It may have only been the first 10mins - but the damage was done!
We put our (now All Star) full back on McFadden from the start. Donegal hit it long and high to Molloy. When we switched after 10 minutes the problem ended, but the damage was done on the scoreboard.
If Tyrone play one big man it shouldn't be a problem, two big may could be an issue though, although it was obvious that Horan has blooded Shane McHale in many games this year, usually as a replacement for Cafferkey.
You havent met Dermy Carlin then no?
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
You havent met Dermy Carlin then no?
No, is he any good? How many medals has he in his arse pocket? Does he have a beard? How many teeth is he missing?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
You havent met Dermy Carlin then no?
No, is he any good? How many medals has he in his arse pocket? Does he have a beard? How many teeth is he missing?
Will ye make the big switch and play him at full forward and lob it in long?
aye and test ye out ala Mickey Murphy last year. Worth a go, I think if we could put 2 big men in there we would be onto a winner. As one of you have already said if Tyrone havent 2 goals past the new goalie after 10 minutes it could give mayo the confidence to push on. You might be thinking the same with Clarke and Mc Mahon.
Conor Clarke to wreak havoc in the Mayo third, and it won't matter who's on his shoulders when he's running at them! ;)
Quote from: tonysoprano on August 21, 2013, 11:36:31 AM
Lads, a crowd of us are heading down to Dub on Saturday for a few days for the game. Can anyone recommend a good, cheap place to abandon the car for the entirety of the weekend? Anywhere handy to the city centre will be grand.
Tony, you'll get free parking beside Whitehall church on the old airport road.
It might be the best bet for you if you are coming south into Dublin. Drive past the church and turn left onto Collins Avenue at the next lights.
(The park is on your left hand side.)
Almost immediately after, turn left and you will be in the place. Huge parking lot and it's free. I've never herd of any vandalism or damage to vehicles in the park but I suppose if you plan to park there for a few days, there is always a possibility that your car could be interfered with.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:03:23 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
You havent met Dermy Carlin then no?
No, is he any good? How many medals has he in his arse pocket? Does he have a beard? How many teeth is he missing?
Will ye make the big switch and play him at full forward and lob it in long?
They could lob it in short for all the difference it would make!
Since he won't be getting a smell of it, it doesn't matter one little bit.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 01:18:06 PM
aye and test ye out ala Mickey Murphy last year. Worth a go, I think if we could put 2 big men in there we would be onto a winner. As one of you have already said if Tyrone havent 2 goals past the new goalie after 10 minutes it could give mayo the confidence to push on. You might be thinking the same with Clarke and Mc Mahon.
Mayo have a new fella playing this year by the name of relentless.
They won't stop at 3 points ahead or 23 points ahead.
There will be other championships for Throne but not this one.
Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
And the hype continues - excellent!
Darragh again "My worry for Tyrone is that their forwards just aren't up to keeping pace with the amount that Mayo score."
That is some turnaround from the Mayo cant score goals line we were been given before the Galway game
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 01:57:08 PM
Darragh again "My worry for Tyrone is that their forwards just aren't up to keeping pace with the amount that Mayo score."
That is some turnaround from the Mayo cant score goals line we were been given before the Galway game
In fairness if he did say that before the Galway game ,he would be right, we scored two goals in the whole league campaign again we have greatly improved on this, are people just supposed to stay with what they said previous for the sake of it or alter their opinion according to the development of the team, surely the latter is the way it should be.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 01:57:08 PM
Darragh again "My worry for Tyrone is that their forwards just aren't up to keeping pace with the amount that Mayo score."
That is some turnaround from the Mayo cant score goals line we were been given before the Galway game
In fairness the punditry is daft sometimes.
I remember reading a pundit (I won't name him) before the 1989 final saying he was worried about Jimmy Browne's lack of pace. I had been lucky enough to be asked to fill in at a few training sessions with the 89 squad and Browne used to win all the shuttle sprints. That taught me what I needed to know about punditry.
Did a little bit of video research last night for my sins. Watched the Tyrone V Meath and V Monaghan game with the Mayo V Donegal sandwiched in between over the last 2 nights.
Tyrone will seriously need to get their asses in gear if they are to win this match on Sunday. It's not impossible as nothing is sure in sport but, even without my green and red tinted glasses on, it's going to be a tough day at HQ for Tyrone.
Mayo forwards tackling and turn overs in the oppositions half has been immense this year, Tyrone like to build from the back, Monaghan retreated, Mayo forwards will be all over them. Can't believe how ponderous on the ball Harte was too, no chance in hell he's going to get away with that on Sunday.
Joe McMahon, outstanding as he is, I feel is going to have too much on his plate on Sunday. You can't be your teams covering player and 2nd best scorer from open play against a team with the pace that Mayo have. I fancy Donie Vaughan will be tasked to go with Sean Cavanagh when he bombs forward through the centre.
Should be a very interesting game, Micky Harte will have something up his sleeve no doubt!
We're nearly due for someone to pop into the thread and mention the number of pages reached so far!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
We're nearly due for someone to pop into the thread and mention the number of pages reached so far!
I am ready for him:
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Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
Did a little bit of video research last night for my sins. Watched the Tyrone V Meath and V Monaghan game with the Mayo V Donegal sandwiched in between over the last 2 nights.
Tyrone will seriously need to get their asses in gear if they are to win this match on Sunday. It's not impossible as nothing is sure in sport but, even without my green and red tinted glasses on, it's going to be a tough day at HQ for Tyrone.
Mayo forwards tackling and turn overs in the oppositions half has been immense this year, Tyrone like to build from the back, Monaghan retreated, Mayo forwards will be all over them. Can't believe how ponderous on the ball Harte was too, no chance in hell he's going to get away with that on Sunday.
Joe McMahon, outstanding as he is, I feel is going to have too much on his plate on Sunday. You can't be your teams covering player and 2nd best scorer from open play against a team with the pace that Mayo have. I fancy Donie Vaughan will be tasked to go with Sean Cavanagh when he bombs forward through the centre.
Should be a very interesting game, Micky Harte will have something up his sleeve no doubt!
At last someone sees where I'm coming from granted I go ott with the "we will kill them all day" type stuff but you still must see where I'm coming from in terms of pace and conditioning and overall just been a better side to date.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-s-use-of-aidan-o-shea-against-donegal-is-the-key-to-mayo-s-ruthless-streak-1.1500030
Fair play Larry, you definitely don't believe in keeping your powder dry.
Course alternatively you could be giving posters an awful amount of ammunition in the unlikely event that Tyrone do sneak a win. ;)
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
Did a little bit of video research last night for my sins. Watched the Tyrone V Meath and V Monaghan game with the Mayo V Donegal sandwiched in between over the last 2 nights.
Tyrone will seriously need to get their asses in gear if they are to win this match on Sunday. It's not impossible as nothing is sure in sport but, even without my green and red tinted glasses on, it's going to be a tough day at HQ for Tyrone.
Mayo forwards tackling and turn overs in the oppositions half has been immense this year, Tyrone like to build from the back, Monaghan retreated, Mayo forwards will be all over them. Can't believe how ponderous on the ball Harte was too, no chance in hell he's going to get away with that on Sunday.
Joe McMahon, outstanding as he is, I feel is going to have too much on his plate on Sunday. You can't be your teams covering player and 2nd best scorer from open play against a team with the pace that Mayo have. I fancy Donie Vaughan will be tasked to go with Sean Cavanagh when he bombs forward through the centre.
Should be a very interesting game, Micky Harte will have something up his sleeve no doubt!
I'd agree with a lot of what you say here Ballinaman, but Tyrone were on the road for 4 weeks and just had to battle these games out. I'd expect a much fresher Tyrone team with a specific game plan, I'm not sure Mickey had a load of time to implement specific tactics for Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
Tyrone are also one of the best teams in the country at building from the back and it's the one area of our game that id be most confident in, so the tackling from the Mayo forwards won't unduly worry me. My main worry would be pace at which Mayo attack, especially fom deep so if Vaughan was tasked with following Cavanagh I'd be happy enough as he is a serious weapon going forward for Mayo.
It's an intriguing game alright and I can't wait.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
You obviously do not understand the meaning of consistent, it is not the same as successful. Mayo regularly win provincial championships (consistent), Mayo regularly stay in division 1, only team to do so since 1996 (consistent), Mayo regularly play in League Finals (consistent), Mayo regularly play in All-Ireland Finals (consistent), Mayo regularly play in minor and U-21 Finals (consistent), Mayo regularly perform poorly in the qualifiers (consistent), Mayo regularly win Quarter Finals (consistent), Mayo regularly win Semi-Finals (consistent), Mayo regularly knock out All-Ireland Champions (consistent). Mayo must have come second in the League, Senior All-Ireland, Minor and Under-21 and perhaps even club championship more than and other county in Ireland over the last 20 years (consistent).
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 01:57:08 PM
Darragh again "My worry for Tyrone is that their forwards just aren't up to keeping pace with the amount that Mayo score."
That is some turnaround from the Mayo cant score goals line we were been given before the Galway game
In fairness the punditry is daft sometimes.
I remember reading a pundit (I won't name him) before the 1989 final saying he was worried about Jimmy Browne's lack of pace. I had been lucky enough to be asked to fill in at a few training sessions with the 89 squad and Browne used to win all the shuttle sprints. That taught me what I needed to know about punditry.
Actually I take that back regarding Daragh O'Sé's article, having read it properly. His article there is good and as always a little different from the herd.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
Did a little bit of video research last night for my sins. Watched the Tyrone V Meath and V Monaghan game with the Mayo V Donegal sandwiched in between over the last 2 nights.
Tyrone will seriously need to get their asses in gear if they are to win this match on Sunday. It's not impossible as nothing is sure in sport but, even without my green and red tinted glasses on, it's going to be a tough day at HQ for Tyrone.
Mayo forwards tackling and turn overs in the oppositions half has been immense this year, Tyrone like to build from the back, Monaghan retreated, Mayo forwards will be all over them. Can't believe how ponderous on the ball Harte was too, no chance in hell he's going to get away with that on Sunday.
Joe McMahon, outstanding as he is, I feel is going to have too much on his plate on Sunday. You can't be your teams covering player and 2nd best scorer from open play against a team with the pace that Mayo have. I fancy Donie Vaughan will be tasked to go with Sean Cavanagh when he bombs forward through the centre.
Should be a very interesting game, Micky Harte will have something up his sleeve no doubt!
I'd agree with a lot of what you say here Ballinaman, but Tyrone were on the road for 4 weeks and just had to battle these games out. I'd expect a much fresher Tyrone team with a specific game plan, I'm not sure Mickey had a load of time to implement specific tactics for Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
Tyrone are also one of the best teams in the country at building from the back and it's the one area of our game that id be most confident in, so the tackling from the Mayo forwards won't unduly worry me. My main worry would be pace at which Mayo attack, especially fom deep so if Vaughan was tasked with following Cavanagh I'd be happy enough as he is a serious weapon going forward for Mayo.
It's an intriguing game alright and I can't wait.
Tyrone are a super team and decent Mayo supporters are under no illusions we are in for a very tough afternoon. Matty Donnelly is a class act, his equaliser against us in the minor final still haunts me!! Should be a cracker of a match. Is it Sunday yet???!!??
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
Fair play Larry, you definitely don't believe in keeping your powder dry.
Course alternatively you could be giving posters an awful amount of ammunition in the unlikely event that Tyrone do sneak a win. ;)
Again I don't get why one would do that, if youre wrong you just hold your hands up and say I got it so wrong ,I'm an awful ejit. It's no biggy honestly, there is such a false attitude among Gaa supporters , afraid of suggesting their team will win just in case they are wrong, I blame Irish society more than anything else,everyone wants to be a cute hoor, why I ask? What benefits does it bring to play down your sides chances if you believe they will win.
Last year outside phill Ryan's before the final, my aul fella was full sure we were going to win, I surprisingly said it was a year too early IMO . I'm not always confident but this set up this year has slowly reassured me there is something there that has never been there in my time (36 yrs old) ,genuine confidence in their own ability , a structured plan that was a three year one and that is in its third year,Horan is more of a genius than people think he is , the natural progression for this project is to land Sam this year , if it fails ill eat my hat.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
Coming from a Louth man who managed to lose a provincial title when they actually won that is rich. Mayo have won several Connacht titles, and U-21 All-Ireland and a NFL title in the last 20 years.
Lazy enough article by Darragh which is surprising from him. What's more surprising is his lack of respect for Tyrone. :o
Wow 80 pages and its only Wed.
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2013, 02:43:26 PM
Lazy enough article by Darragh which is surprising from him. What's more surprising is his lack of respect for Tyrone. :o
He did say this:
QuoteI'm really intrigued to see what Tyrone come up with to stop them on Sunday. Mickey Harte always has a plan and it will be fascinating to see how he's going to go about shutting Mayo down.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
The hype around this Mayo team has far exceeded the hype around any of the Dublin teams over the past 20 years. The pressure on them must be unreal. Talk about the best Mayo team ever and how this game will be a mere training match for them must be seeping through to the players mind. If Mayo do not get a good start and are not at least 4 points up at h/t then they will begin to doubt themselves. If its tight with 20 mins to go, then Mayo will crack. Tyrone will go 2 or 3 up and then close out the game. As for Tyrone, expectations are low, they have already over achieved this year and there is absolutely no pressure on them. Even the Mayo posters here are beginning to crack and its only Wednesday.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
Fair play Larry, you definitely don't believe in keeping your powder dry.
Course alternatively you could be giving posters an awful amount of ammunition in the unlikely event that Tyrone do sneak a win. ;)
Again I don't get why one would do that, if youre wrong you just hold your hands up and say I got it so wrong ,I'm an awful ejit. It's no biggy honestly, there is such a false attitude among Gaa supporters , afraid of suggesting their team will win just in case they are wrong, I blame Irish society more than anything else,everyone wants to be a cute hoor, why I ask? What benefits does it bring to play down your sides chances if you believe they will win.
Last year outside phill Ryan's before the final, my aul fella was full sure we were going to win, I surprisingly said it was a year too early IMO . I'm not always confident but this set up this year has slowly reassured me there is something there that has never been there in my time (36 yrs old) ,genuine confidence in their own ability , a structured plan that was a three year one and that is in its third year,Horan is more of a genius than people think he is , the natural progression for this project is to land Sam this year , if it fails ill eat my hat.
There's other people who have said similar, and ended up with a serious amount of egg on their face. No body minds someone being confident but there's a fine line between that and being cocky. Just because I don't come on here and post how I can't see how Tyrone could be beat every 30mins doesn't mean I don't think they will win. I've put my views up about how I feel the game will go. If Tyrone can stay with Mayo early on, and be there or there abouts in the last quarter I'd fancy them to win it. It's nothing to do with being a cute hoor, more showing a bit of respect for the team your playing. Neither team got there by accident. Nor is either team there for a jolly.
Quote from: Rodman on August 21, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
The hype around this Mayo team has far exceeded the hype around any of the Dublin teams over the past 20 years. The pressure on them must be unreal. Talk about the best Mayo team ever and how this game will be a mere training match for them must be seeping through to the players mind. If Mayo do not get a good start and are not at least 4 points up at h/t then they will begin to doubt themselves. If its tight with 20 mins to go, then Mayo will crack. Tyrone will go 2 or 3 up and then close out the game. As for Tyrone, expectations are low, they have already over achieved this year and there is absolutely no pressure on them. Even the Mayo posters here are beginning to crack and its only Wednesday.
Quote from: Rodman on August 20, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Do Mayo really merit all this hype. What have they actually done. Most of the hype comes from their performance against Donegal. Granted, it was a decent performance but I think most teams would have beat Donegal comfortably that day. Individually, Mayo have allot of average footballers. At the end of the day, Mayo are perennial losers, and will most likely bottle it again in the white heat of a battle, which I am sure Tyrone will provide. Make no mistake about it, this will be a tight game. The way Tyrone will set up will ensure that and it won't be pretty.
Sean Cav to rule the roost again, O'Neill to roll back the years with a vintage display, Gormley to get MoM...and Aidan O'shea to get the line. Tyrone by 3.
Quote from: Rodman on May 01, 2013, 09:52:56 PM
Tyrone team that lined out against Donegal last year was: P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
God knows what team Mickey will line out but will be at least 6 changes from that team.( and probably 6 changes for the better) Donegal should have pretty much the same team out again this year. Tyrone were close last year, add in Sean Cavanagh, Niall Morgan, mcaliskey and an on-form SON with the option of springing Mccurry, R O'Neill and Coney from the bench in the 2nd half for a bit of extra fire power then things look allot better for us this year. Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
You are consistent.
Quote from: Rodman on August 21, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
The hype around this Mayo team has far exceeded the hype around any of the Dublin teams over the past 20 years. The pressure on them must be unreal. Talk about the best Mayo team ever and how this game will be a mere training match for them must be seeping through to the players mind. If Mayo do not get a good start and are not at least 4 points up at h/t then they will begin to doubt themselves. If its tight with 20 mins to go, then Mayo will crack. Tyrone will go 2 or 3 up and then close out the game. As for Tyrone, expectations are low, they have already over achieved this year and there is absolutely no pressure on them. Even the Mayo posters here are beginning to crack and its only Wednesday.
If they believe they are that great, surely Mayo 6 points down at half-time and the Mayo lads will think, yip we can do this, just bang in a few goals ;)
Quote from: Rodman on August 21, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
The hype around this Mayo team has far exceeded the hype around any of the Dublin teams over the past 20 years. The pressure on them must be unreal. Talk about the best Mayo team ever and how this game will be a mere training match for them must be seeping through to the players mind. If Mayo do not get a good start and are not at least 4 points up at h/t then they will begin to doubt themselves. If its tight with 20 mins to go, then Mayo will crack. Tyrone will go 2 or 3 up and then close out the game. As for Tyrone, expectations are low, they have already over achieved this year and there is absolutely no pressure on them. Even the Mayo posters here are beginning to crack and its only Wednesday.
And supposing hypothetical as it is and all that, but what if Mayo actually find themselves 5 points up at half time? What (Lord may save us all) if it's not tight with 20 minutes to go? Anyway, how do you know Mayo will crack if it is tight? Come on, I want definitive answers this time please.
Rodman Tyrone are 7/2.
I take it you have the house on them?
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
We're nearly due for someone to pop into the thread and mention the number of pages reached so far!
I am ready for him:
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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
Wow 80 pages and its only Wed.
Did you get him?
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Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
We're nearly due for someone to pop into the thread and mention the number of pages reached so far!
I am ready for him:
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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
Wow 80 pages and its only Wed.
Did you get him?
Should be called Buzzman.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 03:10:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
We're nearly due for someone to pop into the thread and mention the number of pages reached so far!
I am ready for him:
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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
Wow 80 pages and its only Wed.
Did you get him?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
Quote from: Rodman on August 21, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
The hype around this Mayo team has far exceeded the hype around any of the Dublin teams over the past 20 years. The pressure on them must be unreal. Talk about the best Mayo team ever and how this game will be a mere training match for them must be seeping through to the players mind. If Mayo do not get a good start and are not at least 4 points up at h/t then they will begin to doubt themselves. If its tight with 20 mins to go, then Mayo will crack. Tyrone will go 2 or 3 up and then close out the game. As for Tyrone, expectations are low, they have already over achieved this year and there is absolutely no pressure on them. Even the Mayo posters here are beginning to crack and its only Wednesday.
Pressure is for Tyres Rodman ;)
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
So you admit that Mayo are actually extremely consistent - both within Connacht and in the All-Ireland series.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
Straw man as usual.
The statement was that they have been 'one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years".
You are some man coming from Louth to rubbish an entire province. Especially given that your last All-Ireland winners finished with 2 Mayo men in midfield. You owe us!
We only get London every 5 years All of a Sludden. Obviouslu they beat Sligo and Leitrim this year. You conveniently didn't mention Galway? Why so?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
A league title and an U-21 All-Ireland so
Glad to see you've back tracked completely
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Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
A league title and an U-21 All-Ireland so
Glad to see you've back tracked completely
Beating a very good Galway team in Croke Park and a strong Cork U-21 team in Ennis.
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Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
Back up your claims so - what big games have Mayo been favourites for that they have lost? Compare that to big games that they have been favourites for and won.
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Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
Brilliant this thread has everything now a Louth man ( I thought it would have been a Meathman or a Galwayman) has fired in the most quintessential of Irish phrases , the classic complement wrapped up in a kick in the face type of insult ;D
Yeah a miss haha
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Check your diameter parameters.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
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Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
A league title and an U-21 All-Ireland so
Glad to see you've back tracked completely
Oh so we are also including underage football as well? Even so, two titles in 20 years is hardly going to cause much sleep loss in Kerry.
We'll agree to disagree on the level of consistency. Good luck on Sunday.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
Rodman Tyrone are 7/2.
I take it you have the house on them?
Not the house as i think it is a pretty even call. That price is way off and is definitely worth a few euros. I just can't get understand how hyped up Mayo are. I take it you have lumped on the handicap 4/5 Mayo -3
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2013, 04:51:21 PM
How's the PLI (Painted Livestock Index) looking in both counties?
Nothing to report in Mayo. Dead quite maybe it's the calm before the storm and anything that moves will be painted in the next couple of days.
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2013, 02:43:26 PM
Lazy enough article by Darragh which is surprising from him. What's more surprising is his lack of respect for Tyrone. :o
Really, Really, stereo typically lazy. I was cringing while i was reading it.
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Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
Rodman Tyrone are 7/2.
I take it you have the house on them?
Not the house as i think it is a pretty even call. That price is way off and is definitely worth a few euros. I just can't get understand how hyped up Mayo are. I take it you have lumped on the handicap 4/5 Mayo -3
You haven't read my posts have you?
Id strongly disagree with Darragh that it was a wise decision to keep Aidan O Shea on the field in the previous game. " a couple of yellows in the semi final and he misses the All Ireland final and subsequently an all star so he will have to watch his step and discipline and if it can happen in a friendly it can happen in a Tyrone game too. I don't think it was a risk worth taking with the way he uses his elbows and fists as a part of his box of tricks. He looks like he could be a hothead lads or was it a one off? Is he tough on refs as well?
say Westport would be the quare spot for a party on Saturday and Sunday night. They' be going pure mental in anticipation of the deliverance of the holy grail.
Mayo4Sam painted on the pavements.
Lads we have 2 great teams of varying experience levels and we know that despite management rules particularly some of the younger Mayo panel are likely to be having a sneaky peak and reading the messages on here, sure who would blame them.. is there anything ye's would like to be saying to the lads before the game.... Ill start. "Hello Mayo.. Very best of luck lads. Stay focussed...Fair play to ye. May the best team win!"
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
Id say Westport would be the quare spot for a party on Saturday and Sunday night. They' be going pure mental in anticipation of the deliverance of the holy grail.
Mayo4Sam painted on the pavements.
Lads we have 2 great teams of varying experience levels and we know that particularly some of the younger Mayo panel are likely to be having a sneaky peak and reading the messages on here, sure who would blame them.. is there anything ye's would like to be saying to the lads before the game.... Ill start. Very best of luck lads. Stay focussed...Fair play to ye. May the best team win!
Good spot for a party but not really Gaa heartland. James Gill and Kevin Keane are the only two county players they have produced in a while (unless I am forgetting some) although I think Charlie Lambert also hails from there.
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Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
Id say Westport would be the quare spot for a party on Saturday and Sunday night. They' be going pure mental in anticipation of the deliverance of the holy grail.
Mayo4Sam painted on the pavements.
Lads we have 2 great teams of varying experience levels and we know that particularly some of the younger Mayo panel are likely to be having a sneaky peak and reading the messages on here, sure who would blame them.. is there anything ye's would like to be saying to the lads before the game.... Ill start. Very best of luck lads. Stay focussed...Fair play to ye. May the best team win!
Good spot for a party but not really Gaa heartland. James Gill and Kevin Keane are the only two county players they have produced in a while (unless I am forgetting some) although I think Charlie Lambert also hails from there.
I thought Lee Keegan was from Westport?
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Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
Id say Westport would be the quare spot for a party on Saturday and Sunday night. They' be going pure mental in anticipation of the deliverance of the holy grail.
Mayo4Sam painted on the pavements.
Lads we have 2 great teams of varying experience levels and we know that particularly some of the younger Mayo panel are likely to be having a sneaky peak and reading the messages on here, sure who would blame them.. is there anything ye's would like to be saying to the lads before the game.... Ill start. Very best of luck lads. Stay focussed...Fair play to ye. May the best team win!
Good spot for a party but not really Gaa heartland. James Gill and Kevin Keane are the only two county players they have produced in a while (unless I am forgetting some) although I think Charlie Lambert also hails from there.
I thought Lee Keegan was from Westport?
Correct, he is. Probably missed one of two more over the last 15 years.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 21, 2013, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
Id say Westport would be the quare spot for a party on Saturday and Sunday night. They' be going pure mental in anticipation of the deliverance of the holy grail.
Mayo4Sam painted on the pavements.
Lads we have 2 great teams of varying experience levels and we know that particularly some of the younger Mayo panel are likely to be having a sneaky peak and reading the messages on here, sure who would blame them.. is there anything ye's would like to be saying to the lads before the game.... Ill start. Very best of luck lads. Stay focussed...Fair play to ye. May the best team win!
He is.
Good spot for a party but not really Gaa heartland. James Gill and Kevin Keane are the only two county players they have produced in a while (unless I am forgetting some) although I think Charlie Lambert also hails from there.
I thought Lee Keegan was from Westport?
He is.
Would most of ye want to be beating Tyrone by 10+ points going into the final or would you be happier to win a much tougher closer contest?
I really hope Mickey does have something new up his sleeve and doesn't just play the same way we have been all year. I was delighted that we got to the semis and feel with the team we have we've already over achieved.
Any word on injuries?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2013, 04:48:36 PM
Would most of ye want to be beating Tyrone by 10+ points going into the final or would you be happier to win a much tougher closer contest?
I really hope Mickey does have something new up his sleeve and doesn't just play the same way we have been all year. I was delighted that we got to the semis and feel with the team we have we've already over achieved.
Any word on injuries?
A win is a win. I would take a win by an own point scored in the last minute of injury time blown over by freak tornado.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2013, 04:48:36 PM
Would most of ye want to be beating Tyrone by 10+ points going into the final or would you be happier to win a much tougher closer contest?
I really hope Mickey does have something new up his sleeve and doesn't just play the same way we have been all year. I was delighted that we got to the semis and feel with the team we have we've already over achieved.
Any word on injuries?
Conor Gormley has a bruised fist and Sean Cavanagh has grazed knees - other than that we are good to go!! ;)
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Mayo are one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years.
For real? What have they won in those 20 years?
No one said they won anything.
Are you arguing that Mayo were NOT one of the most consistent teams of the last 20 years?
They consistently failed to win anything.
You contradict yourself completely and still can't answer a straight question.
OK then, what have Mayo won over the past 20 years? Barring Connaught titles, which they usually get a free run at. It's not hard to be consistent when you are playing the likes of London, Sligo and Roscommon.
The one area where Mayo have been consistent, is losing big games, especially when they have been favourites. I hope this is one area where they aren't as consistent this year.
A league title and an U-21 All-Ireland so
Glad to see you've back tracked completely
Oh so we are also including underage football as well? Even so, two titles in 20 years is hardly going to cause much sleep loss in Kerry.
We'll agree to disagree on the level of consistency. Good luck on Sunday.
I thought we agreed they were consistent?
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
What were the odds?
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 12:24:58 PM
How do Mayo boys respond to boxes up the gub?
That would be seen as a sign of affection in Mayo so no response.
Can't believe 80+ pages and can't imagine what people have found to write about when this game is as predictable as they come. So many things would have to go wrong for us and right for Tyrone that the chances of anything other than a comprehensive win for us is remote.
From what I have seen so far this year Tyrone are average to mediocre – workmanlike and drawing on the confidence and experience of having won 3 AIs in past decade to just about get by lower division teams. They are nothing like their AI winning teams in terms of power, pace teamwork and individual brilliance. No Dooher, Jordan Canavan, Mulligan and O'Neill a shadow of what he was. Now they are facing a team very like themselves in 2005. The one dimensional slow paced teams that Tyrone have made heavy enough work of getting by up to now will not be in front of them on Sunday. Instead they will face a team with power, skill and pace – way beyond anything they faced this year including Donegal back in May. Their newer players will not have played at this level of intensity before and will probably be gasping for air after 15 minutes. The traditional Tyrone attributes of breaking the tackle will not work nor will their legendary ability to strip teams of the ball. We are ahead of them in every department of the game – individually and as a team. It could be a long afternoon for the Tyrone fans and having been there myself so many times I can only offer sympathy.
Little enough hype down here. Everybody expects to win in a matter of fact sort of way – this game is a step in getting to the final and nothing more. Know quite a few families heading up so the kids can see the team in Croke Park and knowing they won't get tickets for the final.
Nothing more to say – will have a look back here after the Kerry/Dublin game when we know who we play in the final.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
Famous story about that game - there was a newspaper strike at the time so Radio Éireann refused to believe the scoreline phoned in to them and wouldn't give any result for the game ;D
They couldn't believe that Mayowr could be beaten .
Guess who bet them ;) 3-6 to 0-5 wasn't it ?
No such thing as a certainty in sport as those folk who were saying that only Crossmaglen and Donegal could win the All Irelands this year discovered. ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
Famous story about that game - there was a newspaper strike at the time so Radio Éireann refused to believe the scoreline phoned in to them and wouldn't give any result for the game ;D
They couldn't believe that Mayowr could be beaten .
Guess who bet them ;) 3-6 to 0-5 wasn't it ?
No such thing as a certainty in sport as those folk who were saying that only Crossmaglen and Donegal could win the All Irelands this year discovered. ;D
13th July 1952. McHale Park, Castlebar. Connacht SFC final.
Roscommon 3-05 Mayo 0-06
The two-in-a-row defending AI champions (and one win away from a record-equalling five Connacht titles in-a-row) were derailed in spectacular fashion, and suffered a blow to their confidence that they have yet to recover from 61 years later. Feck the priest's curse, it was the Ros.
Oh, and we would go on to repeat the trick at St. Coman's Park in the 1953 final in case anyone still had questions as to who was the better side. ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2013, 05:59:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
Famous story about that game - there was a newspaper strike at the time so Radio Éireann refused to believe the scoreline phoned in to them and wouldn't give any result for the game ;D
They couldn't believe that Mayowr could be beaten .
Guess who bet them ;) 3-6 to 0-5 wasn't it ?
No such thing as a certainty in sport as those folk who were saying that only Crossmaglen and Donegal could win the All Irelands this year discovered. ;D
13th July 1952. McHale Park, Castlebar. Connacht SFC final.
Roscommon 3-05 Mayo 0-06
The two-in-a-row defending AI champions (and one win away from a record-equalling five Connacht titles in-a-row) were derailed in spectacular fashion, and suffered a blow to their confidence that they have get to recover from 61 years later. Feck the priest's curse, it was the Ros.
Oh, and we would go on to repeat the trick at St. Coman's Park in the 1953 final in case anyone still had questions as to who was the better side. ;)
"Feck the priest's curse, it was the Ros."
Sounds like some sort of STD.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's
CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 21, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
Can't believe 80+ pages and can't imagine what people have found to write about when this game is as predictable as they come. So many things would have to go wrong for us and right for Tyrone that the chances of anything other than a comprehensive win for us is remote.
From what I have seen so far this year Tyrone are average to mediocre – workmanlike and drawing on the confidence and experience of having won 3 AIs in past decade to just about get by lower division teams. They are nothing like their AI winning teams in terms of power, pace teamwork and individual brilliance. No Dooher, Jordan Canavan, Mulligan and O'Neill a shadow of what he was. Now they are facing a team very like themselves in 2005. The one dimensional slow paced teams that Tyrone have made heavy enough work of getting by up to now will not be in front of them on Sunday. Instead they will face a team with power, skill and pace – way beyond anything they faced this year including Donegal back in May. Their newer players will not have played at this level of intensity before and will probably be gasping for air after 15 minutes. The traditional Tyrone attributes of breaking the tackle will not work nor will their legendary ability to strip teams of the ball. We are ahead of them in every department of the game – individually and as a team. It could be a long afternoon for the Tyrone fans and having been there myself so many times I can only offer sympathy.
Little enough hype down here. Everybody expects to win in a matter of fact sort of way – this game is a step in getting to the final and nothing more. Know quite a few families heading up so the kids can see the team in Croke Park and knowing they won't get tickets for the final.
Nothing more to say – will have a look back here after the Kerry/Dublin game when we know who we play in the final.
Well said Mick and far more truthful than any other post in here but don't worry the same bandwagon will justify there conservatism come Monday morning even if its a hammering of a dozen points or more.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 21, 2013, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 21, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
Can't believe 80+ pages and can't imagine what people have found to write about when this game is as predictable as they come. So many things would have to go wrong for us and right for Tyrone that the chances of anything other than a comprehensive win for us is remote.
From what I have seen so far this year Tyrone are average to mediocre – workmanlike and drawing on the confidence and experience of having won 3 AIs in past decade to just about get by lower division teams. They are nothing like their AI winning teams in terms of power, pace teamwork and individual brilliance. No Dooher, Jordan Canavan, Mulligan and O'Neill a shadow of what he was. Now they are facing a team very like themselves in 2005. The one dimensional slow paced teams that Tyrone have made heavy enough work of getting by up to now will not be in front of them on Sunday. Instead they will face a team with power, skill and pace – way beyond anything they faced this year including Donegal back in May. Their newer players will not have played at this level of intensity before and will probably be gasping for air after 15 minutes. The traditional Tyrone attributes of breaking the tackle will not work nor will their legendary ability to strip teams of the ball. We are ahead of them in every department of the game – individually and as a team. It could be a long afternoon for the Tyrone fans and having been there myself so many times I can only offer sympathy.
Little enough hype down here. Everybody expects to win in a matter of fact sort of way – this game is a step in getting to the final and nothing more. Know quite a few families heading up so the kids can see the team in Croke Park and knowing they won't get tickets for the final.
Nothing more to say – will have a look back here after the Kerry/Dublin game when we know who we play in the final.
Well said Mick and far more truthful than any other post in here but don't worry the same bandwagon will justify there conservatism come Monday morning even if its a hammering of a dozen points or more.
Well I firmly believe it will be a 5-7 point Mayo victory, with Tyrone dominating perhaps a 15 min spell during the game and a little harder to shrug off at the begining than the others so far.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
Did a little bit of video research last night for my sins. Watched the Tyrone V Meath and V Monaghan game with the Mayo V Donegal sandwiched in between over the last 2 nights.
Tyrone will seriously need to get their asses in gear if they are to win this match on Sunday. It's not impossible as nothing is sure in sport but, even without my green and red tinted glasses on, it's going to be a tough day at HQ for Tyrone.
Mayo forwards tackling and turn overs in the oppositions half has been immense this year, Tyrone like to build from the back, Monaghan retreated, Mayo forwards will be all over them. Can't believe how ponderous on the ball Harte was too, no chance in hell he's going to get away with that on Sunday.
Joe McMahon, outstanding as he is, I feel is going to have too much on his plate on Sunday. You can't be your teams covering player and 2nd best scorer from open play against a team with the pace that Mayo have. I fancy Donie Vaughan will be tasked to go with Sean Cavanagh when he bombs forward through the centre.
Should be a very interesting game, Micky Harte will have something up his sleeve no doubt!
I'd agree with a lot of what you say here Ballinaman, but Tyrone were on the road for 4 weeks 7 weeks, with just one weekend off, and just had to battle these games out. I'd expect a much fresher Tyrone team with a specific game plan, I'm not sure Mickey had a load of time to implement specific tactics for Kildare, Meath and Monaghan.
Tyrone are also one of the best teams in the country at building from the back and it's the one area of our game that id be most confident in, so the tackling from the Mayo forwards won't unduly worry me. My main worry would be pace at which Mayo attack, especially fom deep so if Vaughan was tasked with following Cavanagh I'd be happy enough as he is a serious weapon going forward for Mayo.
It's an intriguing game alright and I can't wait.
Fixed that for you (Donegal, Offaly, Roscommon, weekend off, Kildare, Meath, Monaghan). Wee buns! ;)
Mayo by 6pt. Tyrone will ensure Mayo dont get a good start and Tyrone wont give up or lack belief even if they fall behind themselves early on.
However I just think Mayo have far too much overall balance in their side and momentum in general this season. I certainly hope so.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2013, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2013, 04:48:36 PM
Would most of ye want to be beating Tyrone by 10+ points going into the final or would you be happier to win a much tougher closer contest?
I really hope Mickey does have something new up his sleeve and doesn't just play the same way we have been all year. I was delighted that we got to the semis and feel with the team we have we've already over achieved.
Any word on injuries?
Conor Gormley has a bruised fist and Sean Cavanagh has grazed knees - other than that we are good to go!! ;)
In house training session... Conor says he'll use the other hand and Sean will be wearing knee pads
Tyrone's never ending whinging and persecution complex(es) have really turned my water lately and I didn't like them that much to begin with :P Here's hoping for a a good oul fashioned arse whipping, Mayo by 10++. Hope big Sean doesn't get the skitter again like he did before the Cork game a few years back there.
What about weighing in behind the ulster team. How many months since
Armagh played a game? Probably all in the states.
Monaghan have my backing 100%
Team News anyone? observed the Mayo huddle at work today and it was along the lines of mutter mutter mutter O'Shea..........mutter yeah I think he's ok...........mutter mutter hope so on the day etc. etc. At least one of these tulips would be in the know so is there any doubt around either of the O Shea's lining out?
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 21, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Team News anyone? observed the Mayo huddle at work today and it was along the lines of mutter mutter mutter O'Shea..........mutter yeah I think he's ok...........mutter mutter hope so on the day etc. etc. At least one of these tulips would be in the know so is there any doubt around either of the O Shea's lining out?
Heard the O'Shea rumour alright (Aidan) from a couple of people. Heard from one there was no truth behind it, another shook his head like a doomed man.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 21, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Team News anyone? observed the Mayo huddle at work today and it was along the lines of mutter mutter mutter O'Shea..........mutter yeah I think he's ok...........mutter mutter hope so on the day etc. etc. At least one of these tulips would be in the know so is there any doubt around either of the O Shea's lining out?
Heard the O'Shea rumour alright (Aidan) from a couple of people. Heard from one there was no truth behind it, another shook his head like a doomed man.
AOS should be fit. Unless the Mayo PRO is telling porkies.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Rodman on August 21, 2013, 03:49:43 PM
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Rodman Tyrone are 7/2.
I take it you have the house on them?
Not the house as i think it is a pretty even call. That price is way off and is definitely worth a few euros. I just can't get understand how hyped up Mayo are. I take it you have lumped on the handicap 4/5 Mayo -3
You haven't read my posts have you?
So you think 7/2 is a give away. It's doesn't really matter what the odds are if you think, like most Mayo people, that Tyrone haven't got a chance. I think it's a 50/50 game and will be backing them at 7/2 but won't be putting th house on them as there is a good chance they won't win. If Mayo folk think its a foregone conclusion then they should be lumping on the handicap.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 21, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Team News anyone? observed the Mayo huddle at work today and it was along the lines of mutter mutter mutter O'Shea..........mutter yeah I think he's ok...........mutter mutter hope so on the day etc. etc. At least one of these tulips would be in the know so is there any doubt around either of the O Shea's lining out?
Heard the O'Shea rumour alright (Aidan) from a couple of people. Heard from one there was no truth behind it, another shook his head like a doomed man.
AOS should be fit. Unless the Mayo PRO is telling porkies.
Heard from reliable source we have a full deck and raring to go. Hon Mayo!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 21, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Team News anyone? observed the Mayo huddle at work today and it was along the lines of mutter mutter mutter O'Shea..........mutter yeah I think he's ok...........mutter mutter hope so on the day etc. etc. At least one of these tulips would be in the know so is there any doubt around either of the O Shea's lining out?
Heard the O'Shea rumour alright (Aidan) from a couple of people. Heard from one there was no truth behind it, another shook his head like a doomed man.
AOS should be fit. Unless the Mayo PRO is telling porkies.
Heard from reliable source we have a full deck and raring to go. Hon Mayo!
I heard from close to the camp that it's pure bullshit, but I thought I'd give the Tyronies something to get excited about until ye spoiled it ;)
Quote from: Rodman on August 21, 2013, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Rodman on August 21, 2013, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
Rodman Tyrone are 7/2.
I take it you have the house on them?
Not the house as i think it is a pretty even call. That price is way off and is definitely worth a few euros. I just can't get understand how hyped up Mayo are. I take it you have lumped on the handicap 4/5 Mayo -3
You haven't read my posts have you?
So you think 7/2 is a give away. It's doesn't really matter what the odds are if you think, like most Mayo people, that Tyrone haven't got a chance. I think it's a 50/50 game and will be backing them at 7/2 but won't be putting th house on them as there is a good chance they won't win. If Mayo folk think its a foregone conclusion then they should be lumping on the handicap.
I think there's too many of us that have suffered for too long to take anything for granted.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 21, 2013, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
Thats just rubbish, all the games in Connacht we were favourite to win that we won, Offaly 1997, Fermanagh 2004, Laois 2006, Donegal 2012 we won when we were favourites.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 21, 2013, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
5 games in 20 years. Yeah, that's really something.... :)
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 09:41:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 21, 2013, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
Thats just rubbish, all the games in Connacht we were favourite to win that we won, Offaly 1997, Fermanagh 2004, Laois 2006, Donegal 2012 we won when we were favourites.
Whats rubbish? the above wasn't looking for the games you won when favourites. I named the ones you lost. This current Mayo team are much better than those sides and i feel they will prove it again on Sunday.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
So are Mayo likely to have any changes from the Donegal game?
For what it's worth, this is how I'd like to see Tyrone line out.
Pascal,
McCarron,
Clarke,
Justy (if fit) or Carlin
Gormley
Petey
McGinley
Cassidy
Sean
Colm Cav
Mark Donnelly
Joe Mc
Ronan O'Neill
Matty Donnelly
Stevie
From time to time I'd shift Cassidy into FF, Colm to MF and Matty/Stevie to HF. Or alternatively start Colm in MF and play McNabb RHF. That leaves Coney and McCurry or hopefully McAliskey to make an impact as subs. Im feeling confident again!! Tyrone by 2! ;D
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
The Connaught Telegraph's name comes as the oldest local paper it was established under British colonial rule and use the Brits terms.
The province is called Connacht.
You even have the fools who some how use a bit of the colonial form and the correct form and come up with the spelling Connaght ::)
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
Hard to buy the Mayo Advertiser, Tubber.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2013, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 21, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
Hard to buy the Mayo Advertiser, Tubber.
They saw him coming.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
I was wondering what this page was all about :http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/ (http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/) so I ran a translation on it:
"We will be sure to post a comment. Please get any refund, but have not. But immigration tracking consumer behavior but need to maintain a balance. But scientists vehicle users and thermal fatigue. Please be sure to free tickets, not playing nice. In the afternoon, the hatred typically takes minutes, before running vehicle.
Soft and now need financial support. No items. Zen also guaranteed financing. But selling a commodity, but not more sophisticated styling. Arsenal soccer club not pure real estate loans. Recent Olympic laughter. This was the hotel, but variable with arrows downtown, real estate changes all that. Illegal trade of life for the company's growth. No.
Easy. Yes, for the influence of fear, but of mourning for the undergraduate, the main anyone wise. We need financing costs, a strategic marketing and corporate. We tank capacity. More information: My cat chocolate base. Even time, sellers or telephone gate, now wants to push a lot, but it was played professional soccer before. More laughter therapy."
Are ye all buck mad over there?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
I was wondering what this page was all about :http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/ (http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/) so I ran a translation on it:
"We will be sure to post a comment. Please get any refund, but have not. But immigration tracking consumer behavior but need to maintain a balance. But scientists vehicle users and thermal fatigue. Please be sure to free tickets, not playing nice. In the afternoon, the hatred typically takes minutes, before running vehicle.
Soft and now need financial support. No items. Zen also guaranteed financing. But selling a commodity, but not more sophisticated styling. Arsenal soccer club not pure real estate loans. Recent Olympic laughter. This was the hotel, but variable with arrows downtown, real estate changes all that. Illegal trade of life for the company's growth. No.
Easy. Yes, for the influence of fear, but of mourning for the undergraduate, the main anyone wise. We need financing costs, a strategic marketing and corporate. We tank capacity. More information: My cat chocolate base. Even time, sellers or telephone gate, now wants to push a lot, but it was played professional soccer before. More laughter therapy."
Are ye all buck mad over there?
Joycean scholars, the lot of us. Great punchline to that one...
I'll be having a small bet on Mayo covering the spread
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 10:18:07 PM
I'll be having a small bet on Mayo covering the spread
Yeah, I'd go along with that. I'm expecting a very tight first half at least, with a lot of worried Mayo supporters. But I think we'll pull through in the end. As the management have been saying, they're trying to improve by keeping the performance levels up for the full length of the match.
If they do that, I don't think Tyrone will be able to keep them at bay.
I saw somewhere the Mayo team is due to named tonight. It's usually late though...
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
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Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
I was wondering what this page was all about :http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/ (http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/) so I ran a translation on it:
"We will be sure to post a comment. Please get any refund, but have not. But immigration tracking consumer behavior but need to maintain a balance. But scientists vehicle users and thermal fatigue. Please be sure to free tickets, not playing nice. In the afternoon, the hatred typically takes minutes, before running vehicle.
Soft and now need financial support. No items. Zen also guaranteed financing. But selling a commodity, but not more sophisticated styling. Arsenal soccer club not pure real estate loans. Recent Olympic laughter. This was the hotel, but variable with arrows downtown, real estate changes all that. Illegal trade of life for the company's growth. No.
Easy. Yes, for the influence of fear, but of mourning for the undergraduate, the main anyone wise. We need financing costs, a strategic marketing and corporate. We tank capacity. More information: My cat chocolate base. Even time, sellers or telephone gate, now wants to push a lot, but it was played professional soccer before. More laughter therapy."
Are ye all buck mad over there?
They saw ye comin' son.
Just type "ipsum lorem" into Google and see what you come up with. ;D
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 10:18:07 PM
I'll be having a small bet on Mayo covering the spread
Yeah, I'd go along with that. I'm expecting a very tight first half at least, with a lot of worried Mayo supporters. But I think we'll pull through in the end. As the management have been saying, they're trying to improve by keeping the performance levels up for the full length of the match.
If they do that, I don't think Tyrone will be able to keep them at bay.
I saw somewhere the Mayo team is due to named tonight. It's usually late though...
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2012 Thailand Mayo fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_QMfazWUw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_QMfazWUw)
2013 Uganda Mayo fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=6VT9FaT4D-Y&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6VT9FaT4D-Y%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&nomobile=1
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=6VT9FaT4D-Y&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6VT9FaT4D-Y%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&nomobile=1)
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Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
The hype around this Mayo team has far exceeded the hype around any of the Dublin teams over the past 20 years. The pressure on them must be unreal. Talk about the best Mayo team ever and how this game will be a mere training match for them must be seeping through to the players mind. If Mayo do not get a good start and are not at least 4 points up at h/t then they will begin to doubt themselves. If its tight with 20 mins to go, then Mayo will crack. Tyrone will go 2 or 3 up and then close out the game. As for Tyrone, expectations are low, they have already over achieved this year and there is absolutely no pressure on them. Even the Mayo posters here are beginning to crack and its only Wednesday.
And supposing hypothetical as it is and all that, but what if Mayo actually find themselves 5 points up at half time? What (Lord may save us all) if it's not tight with 20 minutes to go? Anyway, how do you know Mayo will crack if it is tight? Come on, I want definitive answers this time please.
If Mayo do find themselves 5 pts up at half time, then i would expect them to win. And I don't know that Mayo will crack if it is tight, it's just my opinion which is based on the fact they have not been tested this year and we don't know how they will react when they are tested. But it's only an opinion, not fact. Does their game plan change if they go behind. Have they a plan B. Has Aidan O'Shea really matured or will he get rattled when Gormley & Co. get in his ear. Can Mayo stop Cavanagh, the best player in the Country today by a mile. I just think Mayo may have played their all-Ireland final already, Tyrone's best is yet to come.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
The original post said 'barring Connacht Finals' and did mention 'big games'. Maybe Meath was a big-ish game but as for the other two, sadly neither our teams nor supporters seem to have much time for qualifiers.
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Darragh o Se, " Mayo could do a real number on Tyrone"
I'm not alone, phew.
The hype around this Mayo team has far exceeded the hype around any of the Dublin teams over the past 20 years. The pressure on them must be unreal. Talk about the best Mayo team ever and how this game will be a mere training match for them must be seeping through to the players mind. If Mayo do not get a good start and are not at least 4 points up at h/t then they will begin to doubt themselves. If its tight with 20 mins to go, then Mayo will crack. Tyrone will go 2 or 3 up and then close out the game. As for Tyrone, expectations are low, they have already over achieved this year and there is absolutely no pressure on them. Even the Mayo posters here are beginning to crack and its only Wednesday.
And supposing hypothetical as it is and all that, but what if Mayo actually find themselves 5 points up at half time? What (Lord may save us all) if it's not tight with 20 minutes to go? Anyway, how do you know Mayo will crack if it is tight? Come on, I want definitive answers this time please.
If Mayo do find themselves 5 pts up at half time, then i would expect them to win. And I don't know that Mayo will crack if it is tight, it's just my opinion which is based on the fact they have not been tested this year and we don't know how they will react when they are tested. But it's only an opinion, not fact. Does their game plan change if they go behind. Have they a plan B. Has Aidan O'Shea really matured or will he get rattled when Gormley & Co. get in his ear. Can Mayo stop Cavanagh, the best player in the Country today by a mile. I just think Mayo may have played their all-Ireland final already, Tyrone's best is yet to come.
These are fair questions and I refer the right honourable gentleman to last year's semi-final's answer with the same squad and management.
First it was
Moy Plunkett
Then
Moy Sean, Phillip, Ryan and Colm
Now it's Moy P
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oSu2zRW5I
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/24804
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
The original post said 'barring Connacht Finals' and did mention 'big games'. Maybe Meath was a big-ish game but as for the other two, sadly neither our teams nor supporters seem to have much time for qualifiers.
I always got the impression that the qualifers was a thing for other counties, only way to win Sam is kicking the front door down. This year we are using a tank to take front door and house with us.
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
QuoteBarring Connaught titles
He considers Connacht nothing so that wasn't a 'big game'.
Why do people ( esp from the North) keep calling it "Connaught"(sic).
It's CONNACHT esp when that's the official title i mBéarla of the GAA entity.
Same ones that go apeshit if someone says Londonderry, calls the U.K. Britain, refers to Northern Ireland as Ulster.
What's this lads?:
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/ (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/)
Goes back to the origins of that 'newspaper' I believe. I've yet to see an article in that paper without typos, grammatical mistakes, and/or factual inaccuracies.
'tis no wonder people are calling it Connaught if the a feckin' Mayo newspaper does! Unbelievable! Tsk!
We have a few, each of which I'd buy above that one. The Mayo News, The Western People, The Mayo Advertiser.
I was wondering what this page was all about :http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/ (http://www.westernpeople.com/where-we-are/) so I ran a translation on it:
"We will be sure to post a comment. Please get any refund, but have not. But immigration tracking consumer behavior but need to maintain a balance. But scientists vehicle users and thermal fatigue. Please be sure to free tickets, not playing nice. In the afternoon, the hatred typically takes minutes, before running vehicle.
Soft and now need financial support. No items. Zen also guaranteed financing. But selling a commodity, but not more sophisticated styling. Arsenal soccer club not pure real estate loans. Recent Olympic laughter. This was the hotel, but variable with arrows downtown, real estate changes all that. Illegal trade of life for the company's growth. No.
Easy. Yes, for the influence of fear, but of mourning for the undergraduate, the main anyone wise. We need financing costs, a strategic marketing and corporate. We tank capacity. More information: My cat chocolate base. Even time, sellers or telephone gate, now wants to push a lot, but it was played professional soccer before. More laughter therapy."
Are ye all buck mad over there?
They saw ye comin' son.
Just type "ipsum lorem" into Google and see what you come up with. ;D
...ah, an unfinished website. Typical...
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Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
The original post said 'barring Connacht Finals' and did mention 'big games'. Maybe Meath was a big-ish game but as for the other two, sadly neither our teams nor supporters seem to have much time for qualifiers.
The winner of the Connacht final,round 4 games reach the All Ireland quarter final so big-ish games IMO.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
I always got the impression that the qualifers was a thing for other counties, only way to win Sam is kicking the front door down.
Other counties like Galway 2001, Tyrone 2005,2008, Kerry 2006,2009 and Cork 2010. The only way to win Sam is to win the All Ireland final.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 21, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 10:42:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 21, 2013, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Anyway can you give any example of Mayo "losing big games, especially when they have been favourites"??
This should be good! :D
1952 Connacht final.
1994,2001 Connacht finals, round 4 qualifiers v Westmeath 01,Fermanagh 03 and quarter final v Meath in 2009.
The original post said 'barring Connacht Finals' and did mention 'big games'. Maybe Meath was a big-ish game but as for the other two, sadly neither our teams nor supporters seem to have much time for qualifiers.
I always got the impression that the qualifers was a thing for other counties, only way to win Sam is kicking the front door down. This year we are using a tank to take front door and house with us.
Just be careful that house doesn't fall in around you - again!! :D I'd say you lads would be grateful recipients of Sam regardless of how he comes.
Keep the pictures of "Mayo 4 Sam" coming. Some great shots from around the world
Yes, like "Save the whales".
Hahhahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha.
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Keep the pictures of "Mayo 4 Sam" coming. Some great shots from around the world
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Dfz-waFEE4k/hqdefault.jpg)
All tongue in cheek of course but it shows two things, firstly how much football, our county, and our team mean to Mayo people and secondly the spread of the Irish diaspora.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2013, 11:58:25 PM
Yes, like "Save the whales".
Hahhahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha.
"O the Green and Red of W
hales"
(http://www.homeinternationalregatta.org/Graphics/Welsh-Flag.jpg)
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Rodman Tyrone are 7/2.
I take it you have the house on them?
Not the house as i think it is a pretty even call. That price is way off and is definitely worth a few euros. I just can't get understand how hyped up Mayo are. I take it you have lumped on the handicap 4/5 Mayo -3
You haven't read my posts have you?
So you think 7/2 is a give away. It's doesn't really matter what the odds are if you think, like most Mayo people, that Tyrone haven't got a chance. I think it's a 50/50 game and will be backing them at 7/2 but won't be putting th house on them as there is a good chance they won't win. If Mayo folk think its a foregone conclusion then they should be lumping on the handicap.
I think there's too many of us that have suffered for too long to take anything for granted.
Must be tough having suffered all them 20 odd years.... ;)
Fecking Sean Ban. He'd do anything to annoy Rossies. I'll give him a few fadas of my own if I met him >:(
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 01:29:32 AM
Fecking Sean Ban. He'd do anything to annoy Rossies. I'll give him a few fadas of my own if I met him >:(
Stuff you and the Rossies, would you ever take the hint and buzz off. ;D
(http://www.mayogodhelpus.com/gaaboard/syferus.gif)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 01:47:18 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 01:29:32 AM
Fecking Sean Ban. He'd do anything to annoy Rossies. I'll give him a few fadas of my own if I met him >:(
Stuff you and the Rossies, would you ever take the hint and buzz off. ;D
(http://www.mayogodhelpus.com/gaaboard/syferus.gif)
Lar, after Murphy scored last September:
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Whats the weather like in Dublin?
Croke Park quiet so far... Its 645 AM and Thursday mind ye...
Not a peep...
except for the distant drone of electric...
the water sprinklers soft spatter
and maybe the squaw of a fattened seagull returned early from an oily market feast..
noisy neighbours..
the light left on in an abandoned office...damn the cccc and the late finishes....
their wasting of our energy...
the cooling calmness to it all as the sun lights up on Davin...
and the shadows dominate the 21 less now..
no red and green or white for sale yet...
the beast is yawning and the day is dawning
When comes the storm?
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
There yes have it lads. No chance.
Not mention of the crucial ball retention abilities of the Donnellys, Harte, McMahon, Gormley - even Colm.
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
This is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is "drawing frees". As O'Neill says, no mention of them being one of the best teams at retaining possession from deep and this can frustrate opponents in the tackle. Plenty of analysis of how we won't stop a 3 man full forward line but no mention of our attacking threats. How will they stop Cavanagh? Any analysis of that? Have you ever heard of Matty Donnelly? Do you understand the role Mark Donnelly plays? Have you really considered Joes role? Is it just to cover? If so explain his two points from play v Monaghan? By the way, they were from distance! Does Conor Gormley have a role to play as cover? Lazy analysis to suggest that everything goes through Stevie O'Neill as well, Tyrone have used him sparingly and if anything have under utilised him this summer - will we see something different on Sunday? To sum up that Tyrone are "out of their depth" is very poor Emmet - sucked in by the hype!
I presume you'll not have the face to produce another "tactical" masterclass if Tyrone win on Sunday?
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Is that it Emmet, where was the Tactical preview. You could get a job on the Sunday game!
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 08:02:58 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
There yes have it lads. No chance.
Not mention of the crucial ball retention abilities of the Donnellys, Harte, McMahon, Gormley - even Colm.
Sure at least we'll get a day out in Dublin. :o
Very little analysis of Tyrone there at all.
QuoteThis is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is to "drawing frees".
For the Tyrone end of things head to the
"passion, not tactics" site.
Quote from: Rodman on August 22, 2013, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Is that it Emmet, where was the Tactical preview. You could get a job on the Sunday game!
How would actually talking about how either team play football fit in on the Sunday Game?
QuoteHow would actually talking about how either team play football fit in on the Sunday Game?
Now that's an idea. Get onto the RTE.
Quote from: highorlow on August 22, 2013, 09:03:09 AM
QuoteThis is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is to "drawing frees".
For the Tyrone end of things head to the "passion, not tactics" site.
Why not put both sides of the analysis on the one link - especially if advertising the link on this thread? If the standard of analysis is similar to what I read already, I'll not bother, thanks!
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
Sure he's just talking sense!! Hopefully Tyrone can win on Sunday, and strike a blow against cynicism. :D
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 22, 2013, 09:41:23 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
Sure he's just talking sense!! Hopefully Tyrone can win on Sunday, and strike a blow against cynicism. :D
I always liked Martin Breheny! Fact! ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
This is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is "drawing frees". As O'Neill says, no mention of them being one of the best teams at retaining possession from deep and this can frustrate opponents in the tackle. Plenty of analysis of how we won't stop a 3 man full forward line but no mention of our attacking threats. How will they stop Cavanagh? Any analysis of that? Have you ever heard of Matty Donnelly? Do you understand the role Mark Donnelly plays? Have you really considered Joes role? Is it just to cover? If so explain his two points from play v Monaghan? By the way, they were from distance! Does Conor Gormley have a role to play as cover? Lazy analysis to suggest that everything goes through Stevie O'Neill as well, Tyrone have used him sparingly and if anything have under utilised him this summer - will we see something different on Sunday? To sum up that Tyrone are "out of their depth" is very poor Emmet - sucked in by the hype!
I presume you'll not have the face to produce another "tactical" masterclass if Tyrone win on Sunday?
Mayo lads arent the only ones showing the pressure so :P :P
Martin Brehony is some c**t, himself and McGee come out with some awful anti-mayo stuff. They're nearly as bad as Silke
Sorry I take that back, no one is worse than Silke
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2013, 10:13:36 AM
Sorry I take that back, no one is worse than Silke
Silke, Breheny, McGee and McHugh are all as bad as each other in my opinion. c***ts the. lot of them
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2013, 10:13:36 AM
Sorry I take that back, no one is worse than Silke
Silke, Breheny, McGee and McHugh are all as bad as each other in my opinion. c***ts the. lot of them
Don't forget that Logie lad...you just made our list of enemies...there...you're in for it now Logie!
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
The ref needs to be strong here and dish out yellows willy-nilly in order to stop the incessant tactical fouling by these Mayo boys.
I can see Mayo down to 13 men by half time. Up Breheny and Brolly.
Backs up what everyone already knew.
Mayo are a cynical shower of hoors ! And this happening against teams they were pounding
QuoteThey have the highest free differential against them, having conceded 93 while being awarded 79. It's surprising that a team which won its four games by an average of 15.5 points conceded more frees than it was awarded, since they were clearly enjoying levels of ascendancy rarely seen in the championship.
Animals !
The other one was Kerry, no suprise there. They have being doing it for years with a few of their ex players shifting the attention to other counties.
QuoteThey actually conceded more frees than Tipperary in the Munster first round, which they won by 17 points
QuoteThey have the highest free differential against them, having conceded 93 while being awarded 79. It's surprising that a team which won its four games by an average of 15.5 points conceded more frees than it was awarded, since they were clearly enjoying levels of ascendancy rarely seen in the championship.
SOURCE Breheny Article.
Anyone with any know how in the game and that watched and studied the Connacht final would see that the ref was forking out free's for London.
To do a like for like comparison one would have to omit the stats for this game and then draw the conclusion based on the other match's. I'd imagine the result would be lower overall and that our concession rate versus free's awarded in this match has scewed the sums.
Shocked and Dismayed that these dirty cynical antics from Mayo can't believe they are bringing our game down to this level. Deegan needs to set out his stall early for this one to show them they can't bully and foul their way to an All Ireland. Surely it would be the most tainted of all. I was backing Mayo to go all the way but after these revelations I hope Tyrone wipe the floor with them to see and end to their dastardly ways. What message does this send out to the U6's on a Saturday morning.
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 06:51:33 AM
Whats the weather like in Dublin?
Croke Park quiet so far... Its 645 AM and Thursday mind ye...
Not a peep...
except for the distant drone of electric...
the water sprinklers soft spatter
and maybe the squaw of a fattened seagull returned early from an oily market feast..
noisy neighbours..
the light left on in an abandoned office...damn the cccc and the late finishes....
their wasting of our energy...
the cooling calmness to it all as the sun lights up on Davin...
and the shadows dominate the 21 less now..
no red and green or white for sale yet...
the beast is yawning and the day is dawning
When comes the storm?
love it
QuoteMATCH STATISTICS
Wides:
Mayo 19 (12 first half)
London 9 (2)
Frees:
Mayo 15 (8
London 22 (12)
Yellow Cards:
Mayo 2 (L Keegan 50, C Boyle 57)
London 7 (S Mulligan 26, C Doyle 29, P Geraghty 37, C McCallion 50, C Daly 55, D McGreevy 65, S Kelly 70)
SOURCE indo on-line
7 free differential. As I said above using these stats and putting in the Breheny calc leaves us with 71 frees awarded and 71 frees conceded for the other 3 games. The yellow card stats also demonstrate how out of kilter the ref was with his bias on the game and the free awarding for us, i.e I presume the 7 yellow cards led to 7 or so frees in itself.
Quote from: highorlow on August 22, 2013, 10:49:31 AM
QuoteThey have the highest free differential against them, having conceded 93 while being awarded 79. It's surprising that a team which won its four games by an average of 15.5 points conceded more frees than it was awarded, since they were clearly enjoying levels of ascendancy rarely seen in the championship.
SOURCE Breheny Article.
Anyone with any know how in the game and that watched and studied the Connacht final would see that the ref was forking out free's for London.
To do a like for like comparison one would have to omit the stats for this game and then draw the conclusion based on the other match's. I'd imagine the result would be lower overall and that our concession rate versus free's awarded in this match has scewed the sums.
Tyrone would like to omit the Monaghan game as well, and in particular a certain tackle that happened during it. And if possible the pundit break down that followed!!
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 10:53:51 AM
Shocked and Dismayed that these dirty cynical antics from Mayo can't believe they are bringing our game down to this level. Deegan needs to set out his stall early for this one to show them they can't bully and foul their way to an All Ireland. Surely it would be the most tainted of all. I was backing Mayo to go all the way but after these revelations I hope Tyrone wipe the floor with them to see and end to their dastardly ways. What message does this send out to the U6's on a Saturday morning.
Peter Solan The Great......wondered where you'd gone.Welcome back wum
QuoteTyrone would like to omit the Monaghan game as well, and in particular a certain tackle that happened during it. And if possible the pundit break down that followed!!
Exactly.
Breheny has also failed to point out if the free's are technical free's or physical ones so his whole article is a sham. How the man still has a job is beyond me, I'd say they have him working for peanuts.
I hope deegan checks their ears too !
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QuoteOn Newstalk's Off The Ball last night, former Mayo player David Brady divulged that Mayo are using earpieces in training so James Horan and the Mayo management can intimate little nuances in tactics to players in real-time during training.
http://balls.ie/gaa/mayo-using-earpieces-in-training/ (http://balls.ie/gaa/mayo-using-earpieces-in-training/)
Its quite evident that this cynical shower in Mayo will leave no stone unturned in their quest for Sam !
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Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
The ref needs to be strong here and dish out yellows willy-nilly in order to stop the incessant tactical fouling by these Mayo boys.
I can see Mayo down to 13 men by half time. Up Breheny and Brolly.
And up yours too, me oul' buddy.
Like Delaney's dog, ye are all much better at giving it than taking it and that's for sure.
If Maurice Deegan reads Breheny's column and takes your advice, Mickey might have difficulty getting 15 players on the field by the time Deego blows the long whistle.
Who wrote the following litany of facts?
1. Tyrone have a higher proportion of red and yellow cards than the other three..."
2. However, they have had more players (three) sent off than any of the other semi-finalists, .....
3. However, they have had more players (three) sent off than any of the other semi-finalists, .....
Who says Breheny doesn't know his facts? ;D
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/off-the-ball-horan-kills-twoway-radio-rumours-29515353.html
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 22, 2013, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 06:51:33 AM
Whats the weather like in Dublin?
Croke Park quiet so far... Its 645 AM and Thursday mind ye...
Not a peep...
except for the distant drone of electric...
the water sprinklers soft spatter
and maybe the squaw of a fattened seagull returned early from an oily market feast..
noisy neighbours..
the light left on in an abandoned office...damn the cccc and the late finishes....
their wasting of our energy...
the cooling calmness to it all as the sun lights up on Davin...
and the shadows dominate the 21 less now..
no red and green or white for sale yet...
the beast is yawning and the day is dawning
When comes the storm?
love it
+1
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:03:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
The ref needs to be strong here and dish out yellows willy-nilly in order to stop the incessant tactical fouling by these Mayo boys.
I can see Mayo down to 13 men by half time. Up Breheny and Brolly.
And up yours too, me oul' buddy.
Like Delaney's dog, ye are all much better at giving it than taking it and that's for sure.
If Maurice Deegan reads Breheny's column and takes your advice, Mickey might have difficulty getting 15 players on the field by the time Deego blows the long whistle.
Who wrote the following litany of facts?
1. Tyrone have a higher proportion of red and yellow cards than the other three..."
2. However, they have had more players (three) sent off than any of the other semi-finalists, .....
3. However, they have had more players (three) sent off than any of the other semi-finalists, .....
Who says Breheny doesn't know his facts? ;D
He also said,
1. Mayo foul more than they are fouled
2. Mayo foul more than they are fouled
3. Mayo foul more than they are fouled
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/off-the-ball-horan-kills-twoway-radio-rumours-29515353.html
I heard other things too but I don't want to repeat them here. Just to say it involves magnets that they attach to the game ball and stuff.
Our lads use morse code in training.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:09:41 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/off-the-ball-horan-kills-twoway-radio-rumours-29515353.html
I heard other things too but I don't want to repeat them here. Just to say it involves magnets that they attach to the game ball and stuff.
;D...
Wait a second, these are fake arms!
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
And there was poor old Limerick who in the last minute against Kildare last year "allowed" Kildare to score a goal.
Cork have the lowest free concession rate (17 per game), which may lead to suggestions among their fans that a lack of cynicism,
however good for the game as a spectacle, may be counter-productive.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:03:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Don't worry lads, ye have a Galway lad behind ye......Martin Breheny.
A week leading up to a match wouldn't be the same for a Mayo person without the bould Martin getting a few digs in! 8)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-most-cynical-team-of-them-all-29519129.html
The ref needs to be strong here and dish out yellows willy-nilly in order to stop the incessant tactical fouling by these Mayo boys.
I can see Mayo down to 13 men by half time. Up Breheny and Brolly.
And up yours too, me oul' buddy.
Like Delaney's dog, ye are all much better at giving it than taking it and that's for sure.
If Maurice Deegan reads Breheny's column and takes your advice, Mickey might have difficulty getting 15 players on the field by the time Deego blows the long whistle.
Who wrote the following litany of facts?
1. Tyrone have a higher proportion of red and yellow cards than the other three..."
2. However, they have had more players (three) sent off than any of the other semi-finalists, .....
3. However, they have had more players (three) sent off than any of the other semi-finalists, .....
Who says Breheny doesn't know his facts? ;D
Ah but they only got them cards because they were involved in close games, sure how would mayo get any cards when they havent been tested??
And what were they at fouling the poor laddieens in their first four games, wasnt enough that they were rolling over for us and letting us hammer them without us going round fouling them?
We'd want to take a good long hard look at ourselves down in the plain of the yews and cop on
No, it's all dots & dashes.
My my my. How the tide is turning today. We are seeing the real Mayo here in all its vile nakedness.
From Breheny's startling statistical study, to the radio farce and now the magnet thing. 31 counties are behind Tyrone now and, maybe this morning, true Mayo gaels.
Tyrone will ride into Croke as the last remaining bastions of an innocent age. It'll be like Rocky v Drago. You won't break us Horan.
It is shocking to see the way the Mayo support try to defend the indefensible, anyone defending or attempting to explain away these FACTS need to hang their heads in shame. No room in our game for tactical fouling its time Mayo cleaned up their act and Horan should not be sending his team out to pull and drag the opposition. What does he be whispering in their ears ? Croke Park needs to seriously examine the rules of the game to stamp out cynicism. Start producing Black cards, yellow cards, green cards, all the colours of the rainbow cards and special cards of Red and Green.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:19:02 AM
My my my. How the tide is turning today. We are seeing the real Mayo here in all its vile nakedness.
From Breheny's startling statistical study, to the radio farce and now the magnet thing. 31 counties are behind Tyrone now and, maybe this morning, true Mayo gaels.
Tyrone will ride into Croke as the last remaining bastions of an innocent age. It'll be like Rocky v Drago. You won't break us Horan.
AAAAAAADDDDDRRRRRRRAAAAAAAIIIIIINNNN (
logan)
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
It is shocking to see the way the Mayo support try to defend the indefensible, anyone defending or attempting to explain away these FACTS need to hang their heads in shame. No room in our game for tactical fouling its time Mayo cleaned up their act and Horan should not be sending his team out to pull and drag the opposition. What does he be whispering in their ears ? Croke Park needs to seriously examine the rules of the game to stamp out cynicism. Start producing Black cards, yellow cards, green cards, all the colours of the rainbow cards and special cards of Red and Green.
Well said!!
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2013, 11:17:04 AM
No, it's all dots & dashes.
Wheres the thumbs up when you need it
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:09:41 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/off-the-ball-horan-kills-twoway-radio-rumours-29515353.html
I heard other things too but I don't want to repeat them here. Just to say it involves magnets that they attach to the game ball and stuff.
I heard they were colluding with Donegal on how to beat Tyrone as well.
Mickey names his side tonight - who's in for Penrose? I predict McNabb with no other changes.
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:43:23 AM
Mickey names his side tonight - who's in for Penrose? I predict McNabb with no other changes.
Ronan O'Neill
Tyrone drifting out to 7-2.
Don't be betting them at this price - they'll be 5 or 6-1 come Saturday evening.
Get the house on Mayo.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
QuoteNot been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan?
Thon lads are feeling the pressure that's all. They can't handle the truth.
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
Totally unequivocal here - Mayo minus 4 is some bet.
The verdict
Tyrone have done well to make it to the last four but they are out of their depth here. A combination of injury issues on their part and significant depth in their opponent makes this a no-win situation. Tyrone play a smart game focussed on limiting errors. The problem with such an economic approach is the margin for error is small. Mayo will look to create holes all over the park and have room to hurt Harte's side repeatedly.
This really doesn't look close to me. Mayo to win.
Forget the tactical "analysis", you would be as well looking at paddy power and follow the odds. He backs the favourite every time ! Following that theory and you would have a fairly healthy success rate also.
Mayo will win at a canter. Mayo by 6. Game over with 15 minutes to go
Actually I backed Cork as underdogs over Kerry. Told you I wasn't 100% this year.
The only conclusion I can draw from Brehanys data is that Tyrone are diving more then anyone else. I hope deegan stamps this out on Sunday
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
Don't forget the AI club final, Emmet ;)
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
It's not your prediction, that's a given. It's, er, your lack of analysis of Tyrone's play. No mention of either Donnelly in relation to how Tyrone set up is criminal.
But, no matter, we'll go down and try and play our free flowing football, and put an end to the dark arts of Mayo.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Any man who trusts my club picks is asking for the bookies to win
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
Don't forget the AI club final, Emmet ;)
Quote from: Rodman on August 22, 2013, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Is that it Emmet, where was the Tactical preview. You could get a job on the Sunday game!
Like it our not Emmet has nearly always been spot on.
I honestly have never seen odds or attitudes against Tyrone in my time than I have this past few weeks. You would swear it was Kilkenny footballers versus Kerrys golden generation. There is nothing in that Mayo team that frightens me from a Tyrone perspective, they are a decent side but its not like they have or are dominating Gaelic football in a way that it would be shocking to see them lose. There has rarely been a mismatch at this stage of the championship, and for all the negative comments against Tyrone it seems to be forgotten that they are made up of individuals who have all won All Ireland titles be it at Senior or Minor level (or both). So to say that they are full of average players is a bit off key. The same teams played in the league and there wasn't much in it, and I don't imagine there will be much in it this weekend either. I just dont understand the attitude of the Mayo fans, who seem to have suddenly developed this mentality that they are certain to win the All Ireland this year. I have had a dislike for many teams over the years and always actually liked Mayo, but to be honest I have never wanted to see a team lose as much as I want to see Mayo get beat. Cillian O'Connor won't be getting any goals this weekend, he will be back at what he does best - hitting frees.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
This is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is "drawing frees". As O'Neill says, no mention of them being one of the best teams at retaining possession from deep and this can frustrate opponents in the tackle. Plenty of analysis of how we won't stop a 3 man full forward line but no mention of our attacking threats. How will they stop Cavanagh? Any analysis of that? Have you ever heard of Matty Donnelly? Do you understand the role Mark Donnelly plays? Have you really considered Joes role? Is it just to cover? If so explain his two points from play v Monaghan? By the way, they were from distance! Does Conor Gormley have a role to play as cover? Lazy analysis to suggest that everything goes through Stevie O'Neill as well, Tyrone have used him sparingly and if anything have under utilised him this summer - will we see something different on Sunday? To sum up that Tyrone are "out of their depth" is very poor Emmet - sucked in by the hype!
I presume you'll not have the face to produce another "tactical" masterclass if Tyrone win on Sunday?
Emmet has usually been spot on the money since he started to post here. Perhaps Tyrone are out of their depth, and you are letting your pride blind you.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Emmet has usually been spot on the money since he started to post here. Perhaps Tyrone are out of their depth, and you are letting your pride blind you.
I fully agree with you! And that for me sums up the reason we Tyronies are going to bother going to this match - because despite the statistical and factual evidence to suggest a Mayo win, there is a slight off-chance that Emmet might be wrong, Tyrone might do something magical and Mayo might have a bad day at the office.
This is why we love this time of year isn't it?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2013, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
This is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is "drawing frees". As O'Neill says, no mention of them being one of the best teams at retaining possession from deep and this can frustrate opponents in the tackle. Plenty of analysis of how we won't stop a 3 man full forward line but no mention of our attacking threats. How will they stop Cavanagh? Any analysis of that? Have you ever heard of Matty Donnelly? Do you understand the role Mark Donnelly plays? Have you really considered Joes role? Is it just to cover? If so explain his two points from play v Monaghan? By the way, they were from distance! Does Conor Gormley have a role to play as cover? Lazy analysis to suggest that everything goes through Stevie O'Neill as well, Tyrone have used him sparingly and if anything have under utilised him this summer - will we see something different on Sunday? To sum up that Tyrone are "out of their depth" is very poor Emmet - sucked in by the hype!
I presume you'll not have the face to produce another "tactical" masterclass if Tyrone win on Sunday?
Mayo lads arent the only ones showing the pressure so :P :P
Martin Brehony is some c**t, himself and McGee come out with some awful anti-mayo stuff. They're nearly as bad as Silke
Breheny & McGee have been anti-Mayo for years. Silke has had to swollow his pride and go for Mayo in the Mayo News this week (usually the fact it was a Mayo paper gave him even more pleasure going against us).
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
This is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is "drawing frees". As O'Neill says, no mention of them being one of the best teams at retaining possession from deep and this can frustrate opponents in the tackle. Plenty of analysis of how we won't stop a 3 man full forward line but no mention of our attacking threats. How will they stop Cavanagh? Any analysis of that? Have you ever heard of Matty Donnelly? Do you understand the role Mark Donnelly plays? Have you really considered Joes role? Is it just to cover? If so explain his two points from play v Monaghan? By the way, they were from distance! Does Conor Gormley have a role to play as cover? Lazy analysis to suggest that everything goes through Stevie O'Neill as well, Tyrone have used him sparingly and if anything have under utilised him this summer - will we see something different on Sunday? To sum up that Tyrone are "out of their depth" is very poor Emmet - sucked in by the hype!
I presume you'll not have the face to produce another "tactical" masterclass if Tyrone win on Sunday?
Emmet has usually been spot on the money since he started to post here. Perhaps Tyrone are out of their depth, and you are letting your pride blind you.
Or perhaps Mayo are being Hyped up too much, and they're not really as good as some people seem to think. We'll find out come Sunday anyway.
Quote from: Rois on August 22, 2013, 01:43:47 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Emmet has usually been spot on the money since he started to post here. Perhaps Tyrone are out of their depth, and you are letting your pride blind you.
I fully agree with you! And that for me sums up the reason we Tyronies are going to bother going to this match - because despite the statistical and factual evidence to suggest a Mayo win, there is a slight off-chance that Emmet might be wrong, Tyrone might do something magical and Mayo might have a bad day at the office.
This is why we love this time of year isn't it?
Of course, tell Tyrone 1989, Kerry 1996, Galway 1998, Galway 2001 (League Final), Tyrone 2004, Dublin 2006, Cork 2011, Dublin 2012.
This is all reminiscent of the banter before the Mayo Donegal game and look how that turned out. Mayo by 5.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 22, 2013, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
This is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is "drawing frees". As O'Neill says, no mention of them being one of the best teams at retaining possession from deep and this can frustrate opponents in the tackle. Plenty of analysis of how we won't stop a 3 man full forward line but no mention of our attacking threats. How will they stop Cavanagh? Any analysis of that? Have you ever heard of Matty Donnelly? Do you understand the role Mark Donnelly plays? Have you really considered Joes role? Is it just to cover? If so explain his two points from play v Monaghan? By the way, they were from distance! Does Conor Gormley have a role to play as cover? Lazy analysis to suggest that everything goes through Stevie O'Neill as well, Tyrone have used him sparingly and if anything have under utilised him this summer - will we see something different on Sunday? To sum up that Tyrone are "out of their depth" is very poor Emmet - sucked in by the hype!
I presume you'll not have the face to produce another "tactical" masterclass if Tyrone win on Sunday?
Emmet has usually been spot on the money since he started to post here. Perhaps Tyrone are out of their depth, and you are letting your pride blind you.
Or perhaps Mayo are being Hyped up too much, and they're not really as good as some people seem to think. We'll find out come Sunday anyway.
Personally I believe (this year) Mayo and Dublin are a good bit out on front, with Dublin being the alpha dog.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2013, 10:13:36 AM
Sorry I take that back, no one is worse than Silke
Silke, Breheny, McGee and McHugh are all as bad as each other in my opinion. c***ts the. lot of them
Don't forget that Logie lad...you just made our list of enemies...there...you're in for it now Logie!
Don't forget lads you can come off that list, Pat Spillane, spent most of the late 90's and early 00's. Joe Brolly spent much of the late 00's on this list.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
This is the first time I've actually bothered to read your "tactical" analysis - pure nonsense. No real insight into how Tyrone set up except that our main attacking policy is "drawing frees". As O'Neill says, no mention of them being one of the best teams at retaining possession from deep and this can frustrate opponents in the tackle. Plenty of analysis of how we won't stop a 3 man full forward line but no mention of our attacking threats. How will they stop Cavanagh? Any analysis of that? Have you ever heard of Matty Donnelly? Do you understand the role Mark Donnelly plays? Have you really considered Joes role? Is it just to cover? If so explain his two points from play v Monaghan? By the way, they were from distance! Does Conor Gormley have a role to play as cover? Lazy analysis to suggest that everything goes through Stevie O'Neill as well, Tyrone have used him sparingly and if anything have under utilised him this summer - will we see something different on Sunday? To sum up that Tyrone are "out of their depth" is very poor Emmet - sucked in by the hype!
I presume you'll not have the face to produce another "tactical" masterclass if Tyrone win on Sunday?
I know it must be hard for you to accept that ERVERYBODY hates Tyrone and not just Mayo fans. If you care to look around you, it will be obvious that Mayo supporters are by far the ones least likely to be vitriolic, vindictive, vengeful (etc. etc.)
Y'see, the rest of mankind can remember back to the time when Tyronies everywhere felt they ruled the roost and wanted everyone else to know it.
If the hot air coming from yer county could have been bottled, it would have been enough to lift Ireland out of the depression.
Ya can't say that the Mayos started this witch (bitch?) hunt either.
It's been coming at ye for years now; it started shortly after yer third AI win and it won't go away until youse shower go away.
So there! ;D
Bollocks. Went through Emmet's posts and they are nearly always spot on. And ye know, the hoor doesn't boast about it. He seems a decent, knowledgeable chap. He is now off the list.
The list.
Joe Brolly 2013
Martin McHugh 2008
Pat Spillane 2003
Colm O'Rourke 2003
Paddy Russell 1995
Winston Churchill 1922
Team
Hennelly,
Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Barrett,
Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle,
A.OShea, S.OShea,
McLoughlin, Higgins, Dillon,
OConnor, Freeman, Moran
is that your team or Horans? . Higgins CHF :o
Happy enough with that team. Good to see Hennelly kept there, i think hes a better keeper
Quote from: rosnarun on August 22, 2013, 02:39:42 PM
is that your team or Horans? . Higgins CHF :o
That's the team
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
Bollocks. Went through Emmet's posts and they are nearly always spot on. And ye know, the hoor doesn't boast about it. He seems a decent, knowledgeable chap. He is now off the list.
The list.
Joe Brolly 2013
Martin McHugh 2008
Pat Spillane 2003
Colm O'Rourke 2003
Paddy Russell 1995
Winston Churchill 1922
Sure didn't Winsto himself want to give Dev ye lads if we joined the Allies in WW2?
Quote from: rosnarun on August 22, 2013, 02:39:42 PM
is that your team or Horans? . Higgins CHF :o
Actual team. Same that started V Dongeal. Happy with that. Hope big Joe has his feet up, could be doing a bit of running with Higgins zipping around...
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« Reply #1362 on: Today at 02:29:41 PM »QuoteBollocks. Went through Emmet's posts and they are nearly always spot on. And ye know, the hoor doesn't boast about it. He seems a decent, knowledgeable chap. He is now off the list.
The list.
Joe Brolly 2013
Martin McHugh 2008
Pat Spillane 2003
Colm O'Rourke 2003
Paddy Russell 1995
Winston Churchill 1922
O'Neill I think retrospective vidoe analysis i.e. All Ireland Gold 1995 Final a few weeks ago would suggest that Paddy Russell deserves a postumus pardon. Dubs were the better side and Russell wasn't that bad barring the obvious. Churchills was more a swipe at Fermanagh. Thatcher on the other hand should be on everones list.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
Team
Hennelly,
Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Barrett,
Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle,
A.OShea, S.OShea,
McLoughlin, Higgins, Dillon,
OConnor, Freeman, Moran
Crush them!
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
Team
Hennelly,
Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Barrett,
Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle,
A.OShea, S.OShea,
McLoughlin, Higgins, Dillon,
OConnor, Freeman, Moran
A masterstroke from Horan releasing the team in the middle of the day instead of in the evening, mickey wouldn't have been expecting that, the tyronies won't know whether they're coming or going!!
Yes thank for the heads up.. Hardly worth buying a programme anymore is it?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 22, 2013, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
Team
Hennelly,
Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Barrett,
Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle,
A.OShea, S.OShea,
McLoughlin, Higgins, Dillon,
OConnor, Freeman, Moran
A masterstroke from Horan releasing the team in the middle of the day instead of in the evening, mickey wouldn't have been expecting that, the tyronies won't know whether they're coming or going!!
Cute Hor'ism!
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 22, 2013, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
Team
Hennelly,
Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Barrett,
Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle,
A.OShea, S.OShea,
McLoughlin, Higgins, Dillon,
OConnor, Freeman, Moran
A masterstroke from Horan releasing the team in the middle of the day instead of in the evening, mickey wouldn't have been expecting that, the tyronies won't know whether they're coming or going!!
Musha, did they ever?
Some of that team - they dont even sound like footballers, more so accountancy students, fishermen or beachcombers so really you just cant even imagine a classic GAA commentator crying out their names in the last 5 minutes of an all Ireland as they bring home the bacon. Is the dodgy keeper starting. Is Barrett a boxer?
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
Some of that team - they dont even sound like footballers, more so accountancy students, fishermen or beachcombers so really you just cant even imagine a classic GAA commentator crying out their names in the last 5 minutes of an all Ireland as they bring home the bacon. Is the dodgy keeper starting. Is Barrett a boxer?
Not in the Tyrone meaning of the word
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2013, 01:37:36 PM
I honestly have never seen odds or attitudes against Tyrone in my time than I have this past few weeks. You would swear it was Kilkenny footballers versus Kerrys golden generation. There is nothing in that Mayo team that frightens me from a Tyrone perspective, they are a decent side but its not like they have or are dominating Gaelic football in a way that it would be shocking to see them lose. There has rarely been a mismatch at this stage of the championship, and for all the negative comments against Tyrone it seems to be forgotten that they are made up of individuals who have all won All Ireland titles be it at Senior or Minor level (or both). So to say that they are full of average players is a bit off key. The same teams played in the league and there wasn't much in it, and I don't imagine there will be much in it this weekend either. I just dont understand the attitude of the Mayo fans, who seem to have suddenly developed this mentality that they are certain to win the All Ireland this year. I have had a dislike for many teams over the years and always actually liked Mayo, but to be honest I have never wanted to see a team lose as much as I want to see Mayo get beat. Cillian O'Connor won't be getting any goals this weekend, he will be back at what he does best - hitting frees.
What? Sure Tyrone never foul or anything!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Rodman on August 22, 2013, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Is that it Emmet, where was the Tactical preview. You could get a job on the Sunday game!
Like it our not Emmet has nearly always been spot on.
I agree. I have read most of Emmets previews and they are usually quite good. But to sum Tyrone up as their tactics being to get the ball to O'Neill where he wins a free and to mention the loss of Morgan as significant (when he hasn't played in the last 5 games) is a fairly lazy analysis of the game and on par with Spillanes usual post game analysis of most games. I think Mickey Harte is a bit more tactically aware than that. His ultimate prediction of a Mayo win will most likely be correct but to suggest Tyrone are out of their depth is nonsense.
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
Some of that team - they dont even sound like footballers, more so accountancy students, fishermen or beachcombers so really you just cant even imagine a classic GAA commentator crying out their names in the last 5 minutes of an all Ireland as they bring home the bacon. Is the dodgy keeper starting. Is Barrett a boxer?
I was thinking that earlier. Not enough Mc or Macs in that side.
Hennelly, (has to be a Hurler. Is he the dodgy keeper?)
Cunniffe,(ladies man) Cafferkey, (unpronounceable name - say it over and over!) Barrett, (boxer)
Keegan, (Beach Soccor) Vaughan,(actor) Boyle, (Royal Donegal blood/ Donegal Catch)
A.OShea, S.OShea, (Kerry wannabees)
McLoughlin, (Northern politician) Higgins, (snooker) Dillon, (singer songwriter)
OConnor, (Mrs Brown) Freeman,(at last!) Moran (wont get past the red cow)
[/quote]
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 03:58:45 PM
Hennelly, (has to be a Hurler. Is he the dodgy keeper?)
Cunniffe,(ladies man) Cafferkey, (unpronounceable name - say it over and over!) Barrett, (boxer)
Keegan, (Beach Soccor) Vaughan,(actor) Boyle, (Royal Donegal blood)
A.OShea, S.OShea, (Kerry wannabees)
McLoughlin, (Northern politician) Higgins, (snooker) Dillon, (singer songwriter)
OConnor, (Mrs Brown) Freeman,(at last!) Moran (red cow)
[/quote]
;D
Fair play. Good sport.
Never thought of it that way.
We'll' just have to wait until Sunday afternoon to find out f they live up to your description or not.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2013, 01:37:36 PM
I honestly have never seen odds or attitudes against Tyrone in my time than I have this past few weeks. You would swear it was Kilkenny footballers versus Kerrys golden generation. There is nothing in that Mayo team that frightens me from a Tyrone perspective, they are a decent side but its not like they have or are dominating Gaelic football in a way that it would be shocking to see them lose. There has rarely been a mismatch at this stage of the championship, and for all the negative comments against Tyrone it seems to be forgotten that they are made up of individuals who have all won All Ireland titles be it at Senior or Minor level (or both). So to say that they are full of average players is a bit off key. The same teams played in the league and there wasn't much in it, and I don't imagine there will be much in it this weekend either. I just dont understand the attitude of the Mayo fans, who seem to have suddenly developed this mentality that they are certain to win the All Ireland this year. I have had a dislike for many teams over the years and always actually liked Mayo, but to be honest I have never wanted to see a team lose as much as I want to see Mayo get beat. Cillian O'Connor won't be getting any goals this weekend, he will be back at what he does best - hitting frees.
Relax, it's only the media! We've put up and continue to put up with this year in year out. It does not matter what Mayo people think or the media think. If they are wrong it will make your win more pleasurable. We are naturally more confident than usual, jez ye would be if ye had got to the semi finals like we have. What do Tyrone people want us to do. Tell lies as to what we think the outcome will be?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 22, 2013, 01:43:47 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Emmet has usually been spot on the money since he started to post here. Perhaps Tyrone are out of their depth, and you are letting your pride blind you.
I fully agree with you! And that for me sums up the reason we Tyronies are going to bother going to this match - because despite the statistical and factual evidence to suggest a Mayo win, there is a slight off-chance that Emmet might be wrong, Tyrone might do something magical and Mayo might have a bad day at the office.
This is why we love this time of year isn't it?
Of course, tell Tyrone 1989, Kerry 1996, Galway 1998, Galway 2001 (League Final), Tyrone 2004, Dublin 2006, Cork 2011, Dublin 2012.
I don't get it?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2013, 01:37:36 PM
I honestly have never seen odds or attitudes against Tyrone in my time than I have this past few weeks. You would swear it was Kilkenny footballers versus Kerrys golden generation. There is nothing in that Mayo team that frightens me from a Tyrone perspective, they are a decent side but its not like they have or are dominating Gaelic football in a way that it would be shocking to see them lose. There has rarely been a mismatch at this stage of the championship, and for all the negative comments against Tyrone it seems to be forgotten that they are made up of individuals who have all won All Ireland titles be it at Senior or Minor level (or both). So to say that they are full of average players is a bit off key. The same teams played in the league and there wasn't much in it, and I don't imagine there will be much in it this weekend either. I just dont understand the attitude of the Mayo fans, who seem to have suddenly developed this mentality that they are certain to win the All Ireland this year. I have had a dislike for many teams over the years and always actually liked Mayo, but to be honest I have never wanted to see a team lose as much as I want to see Mayo get beat. Cillian O'Connor won't be getting any goals this weekend, he will be back at what he does best - hitting frees.
Ara the Mayo lads aren't the worst. Most of the older heads on here are fairly circumspect at the best of times. Admittedly a small handful of the newer ones have lost the run of themselves somewhat. Can happen I suppose when you get a run of results like they've had.
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
I couldn't give a monkeys who you predicted to win Emmet and generally it wouldn't take a tactical genius to work out who will win the majority of games in the championship. It was more the pathetic attempt to pass off that nonsense as "tactical analysis" of how Tyrone will approach the game that surprised me. There's no hatred from Tyrone here, just surprise at how a man who spends so much time "analysing" games and has tried to flog books on the subject, can come up with such a weak understanding of the Tyrone game, so late in the season and dismiss them as "out of their depth". Im sure as a man who is carving a career in football analysis, you will be happy to take critical analysis of your work and understand that it's not "haterade".
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
Some of that team - they dont even sound like footballers, more so accountancy students, fishermen or beachcombers so really you just cant even imagine a classic GAA commentator crying out their names in the last 5 minutes of an all Ireland as they bring home the bacon. Is the dodgy keeper starting. Is Barrett a boxer?
Sure they're a bunch of part-timers, like San Marino or Lichenstein, postmen and fishermen, some of them have never been outsde the county.
Even if Barrett was a boxer we'd never admit it for fear we'd get another god awful song from ye
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 22, 2013, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
Some of that team - they dont even sound like footballers, more so accountancy students, fishermen or beachcombers so really you just cant even imagine a classic GAA commentator crying out their names in the last 5 minutes of an all Ireland as they bring home the bacon. Is the dodgy keeper starting. Is Barrett a boxer?
Not in the Tyrone meaning of the word
More likely an archer. His lot came over with Strongbow.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
I couldn't give a monkeys who you predicted to win Emmet and generally it wouldn't take a tactical genius to work out who will win the majority of games in the championship. It was more the pathetic attempt to pass off that nonsense as "tactical analysis" of how Tyrone will approach the game that surprised me. There's no hatred from Tyrone here, just surprise at how a man who spends so much time "analysing" games and has tried to flog books on the subject, can come up with such a weak understanding of the Tyrone game, so late in the season and dismiss them as "out of their depth". Im sure as a man who is carving a career in football analysis, you will be happy to take critical analysis of your work and understand that it's not "haterade".
You're some man! I think you need to look up critical analysis in the dictionary!
Benny, I'm arguing that much of the response is with how people dislike my honest assesment because I think this is going to be one sided. Had I only said Tyrone would be out of their depth without spending the preceding bulk of the column saying why it'd be a different story.
Quote from: ludermor on August 22, 2013, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 04:35:08 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
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Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
I couldn't give a monkeys who you predicted to win Emmet and generally it wouldn't take a tactical genius to work out who will win the majority of games in the championship. It was more the pathetic attempt to pass off that nonsense as "tactical analysis" of how Tyrone will approach the game that surprised me. There's no hatred from Tyrone here, just surprise at how a man who spends so much time "analysing" games and has tried to flog books on the subject, can come up with such a weak understanding of the Tyrone game, so late in the season and dismiss them as "out of their depth". Im sure as a man who is carving a career in football analysis, you will be happy to take critical analysis of your work and understand that it's not "haterade".
You're some man! I think you need to look up critical analysis in the dictionary!
See my previous post where I pointed out some of the gaps his analysis on the Tyrone side of things
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
Benny, I'm arguing that much of the response is with how people dislike my honest assesment because I think this is going to be one sided. Had I only said Tyrone would be out of their depth without spending the preceding bulk of the column saying why it'd be a different story.
You made no attempt to suggest how Tyrone may set up to deal with this Mayo onslaught. Are you suggesting we will go in with no tactics to deal with them and our only attacking approach will be to kick it into O'Neill so he can win frees and even that is not going to work as Morgan is now injured. Do you understand the role the Donnellys may have in this game? How are Mayo going to set up to stop Cavanagh? Do you think he can be man marked when breaking from midfield or will they flood they space in front of him? Or are they going to be so dominant that they dont have to even worry about setting up to stop him? What exactly is Joes role? Just my opinion Emmet but if you think a game is going to one sided, it doesn't mean your analysis has to be too.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
I couldn't give a monkeys who you predicted to win Emmet and generally it wouldn't take a tactical genius to work out who will win the majority of games in the championship. It was more the pathetic attempt to pass off that nonsense as "tactical analysis" of how Tyrone will approach the game that surprised me. There's no hatred from Tyrone here, just surprise at how a man who spends so much time "analysing" games and has tried to flog books on the subject, can come up with such a weak understanding of the Tyrone game, so late in the season and dismiss them as "out of their depth". Im sure as a man who is carving a career in football analysis, you will be happy to take critical analysis of your work and understand that it's not "haterade".
Stop being a complete Tyroniac for a second, Benny. It's one thing having the banter with opposition supporters and others here but it's something entirely different to attack the character of someone because they typed something you disagreed with. I'd hope your over-the-top reaction doesn't stop others from having the balls to post as themselves and indeed their work here.
Oh, and Tyrone will be out of their depth on Sunday. Sorry.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7566
Emmet
Hi Emmet,
I have been reading your previews since you first started posting them because I realised from the off that you have an amazing success rate-at 100% almost; it just has to be amazing.
I'm not saying this just* to annoy the Tyrone lads here as I've said so a number of previous times on this board.
I also passed a number of comments to this effect on your preview pages and I bought your book last Christmas to study previous reviews.
(You may recall this as I'm the real mayogodhelpus – not that sham who keeps annoying poor Nally Stand.) ;D
Therefore, I see no reason whatever to question your judgement when I read your latest work.
Keep the faith!
Yours etc.
Lar
* But I couldn't help sticking it in. ;D
Not been 100% this year, messed up two provincial finals. Also where was all the haterade from Tyrone when I said they'd beat Monaghan? :)
I couldn't give a monkeys who you predicted to win Emmet and generally it wouldn't take a tactical genius to work out who will win the majority of games in the championship. It was more the pathetic attempt to pass off that nonsense as "tactical analysis" of how Tyrone will approach the game that surprised me. There's no hatred from Tyrone here, just surprise at how a man who spends so much time "analysing" games and has tried to flog books on the subject, can come up with such a weak understanding of the Tyrone game, so late in the season and dismiss them as "out of their depth". Im sure as a man who is carving a career in football analysis, you will be happy to take critical analysis of your work and understand that it's not "haterade".
Stop being a complete Tyroniac for a second, Benny. It's one thing having the banter with opposition supporters and others here but it's something entirely different to attack the character of someone because they typed something you disagreed with. I'd hope your over-the-top reaction doesn't stop others from having the balls to post as themselves and indeed their work here.
Oh, and Tyrone will be out of their depth on Sunday. Sorry.
That's fair enough! Though I don't think I've attacked his character, but if he feels i have I'll apologise for that. I've questioned his analysis. Plenty of posters question the analysis of journalists on here, I see Emmet as such and therefore when promoting his website and books on here he is as open to criticism as everyone else.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
That's fair enough! Though I don't think I've attacked his character, and if I did I'll apologise for that. I've questioned his analysis, plenty question the analysis of journalists on here, I see Emmet as such and therefore when promoting his website and books on here he is as open to criticism as everyone else.
Your use of quotation marks is ("tactical analysis" and "analysing") was laden with sneer.
I see this being a tight affair with Tyrone edging it by a couple of points. I do believe Stephen O'Neill has a great match left in him and I hope he lights up Croke Park on Sunday
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
That's fair enough! Though I don't think I've attacked his character, and if I did I'll apologise for that. I've questioned his analysis, plenty question the analysis of journalists on here, I see Emmet as such and therefore when promoting his website and books on here he is as open to criticism as everyone else.
Your use of quotation marks is ("tactical analysis" and "analysing") was laden with sneer.
Ya, ur a bollix Benny, the man said Mayo would win, cant you accept it and move on, hope for a good draw in Ulster next year
Edit: My spelling is absolutely atrocious
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
That's fair enough! Though I don't think I've attacked his character, and if I did I'll apologise for that. I've questioned his analysis, plenty question the analysis of journalists on here, I see Emmet as such and therefore when promoting his website and books on here he is as open to criticism as everyone else.
Your use of quotation marks is ("tactical analysis" and "analysing") was laden with sneer.
Yeah, that was it for me. Emmet or anyone else that posts should be fully open for being tore apart on what they say but when it comes to generalities like that (especially since you're talking directly to someone about their professional work) we should be a little more careful.
Umm I never thought Benny was attacking my character.
As for what Tyrone will do to counter, I felt I'd covered their defensive situation in the first section. They'll go sweeper but Joe has issues as a low sweeper and is more comfortable in the high role.
Heard James Horan interviewed during the week and he was saying that alot of what happens in a game is passed off as tactics when in reality it is just chance the way the game is going.He was saying that Mayo start with getting the basics right like foot passing ,hand passing and tackling and if your team does these well a good performance should follow.I think each game nowadays is completely over analysed and alot of pundits like talking about tactics so to give the impression that they know what they are talking about.Last Sundays hurling game is a prime example of over analysis on tactics. One of the main reasons why Limerick lost the game was there free taker had a nightmare and missed about 4 or 5 scoreable frees and the Clare free taker did not miss anything.I would nearly guarantee you that had Limerick hit there first few frees over it would have been a complete different game and all the talk of Davys superior tactics would have been made redundant.Clare won because there score taking ,tackling and passing was much better than limericks and there confidence grew through out the game as every thing they hit went over ,while it was the opposite for Limerick
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Quote from: deiseach on August 22, 2013, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
That's fair enough! Though I don't think I've attacked his character, and if I did I'll apologise for that. I've questioned his analysis, plenty question the analysis of journalists on here, I see Emmet as such and therefore when promoting his website and books on here he is as open to criticism as everyone else.
Your use of quotation marks is ("tactical analysis" and "analysing") was laden with sneer.
Ya, ur a bollixs Benny, the man said Mayo would win, cant you except it and move on, hope for a good draw in Ulster next year
Ha ha, the strange thing is that I actually don't think Tyrone will win the game, I was just surprised that Tyrone's gameplan wasn't analysed in a way I thought justified them being written off so completely. If people are offended by my opinion on the piece then full apologises all round. I've no doubt Emmet is good at what he does and actually a mate of mine recommended his book to me earlier in the year, which is probably why I was expecting a more rounded analysis of the game, not a further development of the Mayo hype with no real analysis of how Tyrone could possibly deal with them.
Its been exciting this week. There has been some crap talked and some wise words. Problem is - Nobody knows yet who is talking the crap and who is talking the wise words. Sunday might answer all, but don't rule out a dodgy draw, and then I would actually fancy Mayo in the replay. Id weigh it up by saying Mayo have it all to lose on Sunday, Tyrone have lost all their big championship games for 4 years and have a bit to go yet. Its a good chance to see where a young Tyrone team might pitch in against the all Ireland favourites.
One last laden comment might be that what an encouragement it would be for London to know they created goal chances in the first 20 minutes against the future ai champions.
Enjoy the game lads.
And that rrhf is why I prefer doing reviews to previews
All good banter Emmet.
Someone has to say it -- looking good for 100 pages BEFORE the game :P
Tymoan and Mayowr should just bottle all that hot air and the energy requirements of both Counties would be sorted for 20 years. ;D
Quote from: maigheo on August 22, 2013, 05:23:42 PM
Heard James Horan interviewed during the week and he was saying that alot of what happens in a game is passed off as tactics when in reality it is just chance the way the game is going.He was saying that Mayo start with getting the basics right like foot passing ,hand passing and tackling and if your team does these well a good performance should follow.I think each game nowadays is completely over analysed and alot of pundits like talking about tactics so to give the impression that they know what they are talking about.Last Sundays hurling game is a prime example of over analysis on tactics. One of the main reasons why Limerick lost the game was there free taker had a nightmare and missed about 4 or 5 scoreable frees and the Clare free taker did not miss anything.I would nearly guarantee you that had Limerick hit there first few frees over it would have been a complete different game and all the talk of Davys superior tactics would have been made redundant.Clare won because there score taking ,tackling and passing was much better than limericks and there confidence grew through out the game as every thing they hit went over ,while it was the opposite for Limerick
Well said Maigheo. We will win this comfortably because we have the better footballers who can play at a higher tempo than Tyrone. When we win the analysts will show how our tactics were superior ignoring that at the moment we have 20+ players who are better than Tyrone.
Must say enjoyed Bennys robust demolishing of Emmett's analysis - think Emmett you took a few shortcuts as you knew the answer.
Apparently Emmet Ryan's face is pinned to a wall in Garvaghey for tonight.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 05:44:30 PM
Apparently Emmet Ryan's face is pinned to a wall in Garvaghey for tonight.
No use to them tonight , Thursday night is Rugby tackling practice you should know that by now O' Neill .
That would be flattering although I imagine most of them would go "Who?"
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 05:44:30 PM
Apparently Emmet Ryan's face is pinned to a wall in Garvaghey for tonight.
I'm heading to Garvaghey in about 45 mins - i'll bring one with me if you like Emmet, plus explain who you are?
"So there's this guy on the internet right..."
I'll bring a copy of that preview too ;D
Having read all the posts in this thread over the last couple of weeks im looking forward to this game more and more.
Im a tyrone supporter, however im worried about the lack of firepower we have up font. I cant see darren mccurry scoring much (if at all) from play, stephen o'neill is far too isolated up front and has therefore been easily marked by a number of defenders at once, im personally glad penrose is suspended and our half forward line, outside matty donnelly for the odd score are basically defending, trying to win break ball, and play on the counter.
To all mayo supporters, Aidan O'Shea has been awesome this year in the championship, no doubt about that, but if he marks sean cavanagh on sunday, guaranteed he is taken off him after 15 minutes, he doesnt have his engine or athleticism, and sean will run him riot.
Personally however i dont see this battle as being the winning of the game. I think it will be won by who has the greater influence, Alan Dillon or Conor Gormley. If Gomley gets to grips with him and stops him putting ball into their full forward line then we are in business, if not............then we're scooped.
Prediction: If Tyrone dont concede any goals, tyrone win.
Ah now use a smart phone, no need to kill a tree
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
Benny, I'm arguing that much of the response is with how people dislike my honest assesment because I think this is going to be one sided. Had I only said Tyrone would be out of their depth without spending the preceding bulk of the column saying why it'd be a different story.
You made no attempt to suggest how Tyrone may set up to deal with this Mayo onslaught. Are you suggesting we will go in with no tactics to deal with them and our only attacking approach will be to kick it into O'Neill so he can win frees and even that is not going to work as Morgan is now injured. Do you understand the role the Donnellys may have in this game? How are Mayo going to set up to stop Cavanagh? Do you think he can be man marked when breaking from midfield or will they flood they space in front of him? Or are they going to be so dominant that they dont have to even worry about setting up to stop him? What exactly is Joes role? Just my opinion Emmet but if you think a game is going to one sided, it doesn't mean your analysis has to be too.
Was at Q/finals and it is difficult to see how Joe Mcmahon will last the full game. He did not want to come off V monaghan in a very tight game, he had to because he was injured. He was one of Tyrones most effective players while he was on the field. Hard to see him being fully fit three weeks later.
I expect like most realistic Mayo fans that this will be a battle, Tyrone have won three ALL-Irelands in 10 years, however this Tyrone team does not resemble that one. How different are Tyrone (team listed below) from last years hiding V Kerry, Exclude Sean Cavanagh who I think is a fantastic footballer and not a lot of other positive changes.
TYRONE SF v Kerry June 2012 : Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart); Aidan McCrory (Errigal Ciaran), Conor Clarke (Omagh), Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher); Cathal McCarron (Dromore), Conor Gormley (Carrickmore), Sean O'Neill (Dromore); Joe McMahon (Omagh), Colm Cavanagh (Moy); Mattie Donnelly (Trillick), Mark Donnelly (Carrickmore), Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran); Martin Penrose (Carrickmore), Stephen O'Neill (Clann na Gael), Owen Mulligan (Cookstown).
I believe that Mayo man for man are a better team, I am worried about Stephen O Neill and Sean Cavanagh especially if Donal Vaughan leaves the middle of the backline open with his excuriosions forward. I think that Conor Gorlmey(who was a great footballer) is waiting to be cleaned out, no way is he lasting an uptempo game for 70 mins. Colm Cavanagh is at best average. Tyrone do not have same depth as Mayo due to injuries and suspensions, Penrose while not a big scorer was a very important link man and worked his arse off for them. When you look at games they played this year, Tyrone could have been beaten by Kildare, Roscommon or Monaghan.
For Mayo to lose this one, Tyrone will need to score three goals,Tyrone will defend with 10,11 or 12 and hope to have Stephen o Neill one on one with somebody, unlikely to happen. Mayo would need to have some serious underperformances, have a significant player sent off/injured. I dont see all of the aforementioned happening. Mayo are also a highly motivated team, who firmly believe they left an All Ireland behind last year. They will win by at least 4pts maybe more.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
Benny, I'm arguing that much of the response is with how people dislike my honest assesment because I think this is going to be one sided. Had I only said Tyrone would be out of their depth without spending the preceding bulk of the column saying why it'd be a different story.
You made no attempt to suggest how Tyrone may set up to deal with this Mayo onslaught. Are you suggesting we will go in with no tactics to deal with them and our only attacking approach will be to kick it into O'Neill so he can win frees and even that is not going to work as Morgan is now injured. Do you understand the role the Donnellys may have in this game? How are Mayo going to set up to stop Cavanagh? Do you think he can be man marked when breaking from midfield or will they flood they space in front of him? Or are they going to be so dominant that they dont have to even worry about setting up to stop him? What exactly is Joes role? Just my opinion Emmet but if you think a game is going to one sided, it doesn't mean your analysis has to be too.
Was at Q/finals and it is difficult to see how Joe Mcmahon will last the full game. He did not want to come off V monaghan in a very tight game, he had to because he was injured. He was one of Tyrones most effective players while he was on the field. Hard to see him being fully fit three weeks later.
I expect like most realistic Mayo fans that this will be a battle, Tyrone have won three ALL-Irelands in 10 years, however this Tyrone team does not resemble that one. How different are Tyrone (team listed below) from last years hiding V Kerry, Exclude Sean Cavanagh who I think is a fantastic footballer and not a lot of other positive changes.
TYRONE SF v Kerry June 2012 : Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart); Aidan McCrory (Errigal Ciaran), Conor Clarke (Omagh), Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher); Cathal McCarron (Dromore), Conor Gormley (Carrickmore), Sean O'Neill (Dromore); Joe McMahon (Omagh), Colm Cavanagh (Moy); Mattie Donnelly (Trillick), Mark Donnelly (Carrickmore), Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran); Martin Penrose (Carrickmore), Stephen O'Neill (Clann na Gael), Owen Mulligan (Cookstown).
I believe that Mayo man for man are a better team, I am worried about Stephen O Neill and Sean Cavanagh especially if Donal Vaughan leaves the middle of the backline open with his excuriosions forward. I think that Conor Gorlmey(who was a great footballer) is waiting to be cleaned out, no way is he lasting an uptempo game for 70 mins. Colm Cavanagh is at best average. Tyrone do not have same depth as Mayo due to injuries and suspensions, Penrose while not a big scorer was a very important link man and worked his arse off for them. When you look at games they played this year, Tyrone could have been beaten by Kildare, Roscommon or Monaghan.
For Mayo to lose this one, Tyrone will need to score three goals,Tyrone will defend with 10,11 or 12 and hope to have Stephen o Neill one on one with somebody, unlikely to happen. Mayo would need to have some serious underperformances, have a significant player sent off/injured. I dont see all of the aforementioned happening. Mayo are also a highly motivated team, who firmly believe they left an All Ireland behind last year. They will win by at least 4pts maybe more.
No McRory, Sean o'Neill (though Ronan McNamee actually started that day), Penrose (for Sunday), and Mulligan. Darren McCurry actually started for Stevie O'Neill that day. I'd argue that Matty Donnelly is a much more effective player now and Mark Donnelly has improved too. Colm works better with Sean and Peter Harte is finally starting to play himself into a bit of form.
I agree about Joe perhaps going to struggle and that is a major concern as he offers a lot, not only defensively but also driving forward from deep and with long range point kicking. Conor Gormleys days of chasing after the oppositions best player are gone but his role in the defence is priceless and is used more as the covering defender these days (even being pushed into the forward line by the ref pre throw in v Meath).
Here's the rub on this one. With Mayo this year we all have a fair idea where they are at and from a Mayo supporters point of view it indicates that Mayo could possibly on the cusp of delivering a long awaited All Ireland title. I can certainly understand where many of the posters on here get their confidence from and are very dismissive of Tyrones chances of upsetting the odds. But here is the thing. We in Tyrone can be certain that by 5 o'clock on Sunday Cavanagh Gormely and Joe mcmahon will all turn in the performances the question is will the other 12 light up croke park. We know the quality is there as they have the all ireland medals at various grades. I think people underestimate the potential in this team and the landscape may look a little different at 5.00 on sunday a lot of humble pie could be for serving.
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 03:58:45 PM
Hennelly, (has to be a Hurler. Is he the dodgy keeper?)
Cunniffe,(ladies man) Cafferkey, (unpronounceable name - say it over and over!) Barrett, (boxer)
Keegan, (Beach Soccor) Vaughan,(actor) Boyle, (Royal Donegal blood/ Donegal Catch)
A.OShea, S.OShea, (Kerry wannabees)
McLoughlin, (Northern politician) Higgins, (snooker) Dillon, (singer songwriter)
OConnor, (Mrs Brown) Freeman,(at last!) Moran (wont get past the red cow)
This is the best post on the thread and wipes the floor with the analysis of Breheny and co.
But you left and the subs and of course Horan!
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 22, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: maigheo on August 22, 2013, 05:23:42 PM
Heard James Horan interviewed during the week and he was saying that alot of what happens in a game is passed off as tactics when in reality it is just chance the way the game is going.He was saying that Mayo start with getting the basics right like foot passing ,hand passing and tackling and if your team does these well a good performance should follow.I think each game nowadays is completely over analysed and alot of pundits like talking about tactics so to give the impression that they know what they are talking about.Last Sundays hurling game is a prime example of over analysis on tactics. One of the main reasons why Limerick lost the game was there free taker had a nightmare and missed about 4 or 5 scoreable frees and the Clare free taker did not miss anything.I would nearly guarantee you that had Limerick hit there first few frees over it would have been a complete different game and all the talk of Davys superior tactics would have been made redundant.Clare won because there score taking ,tackling and passing was much better than limericks and there confidence grew through out the game as every thing they hit went over ,while it was the opposite for Limerick
Well said Maigheo. We will win this comfortably because we have the better footballers who can play at a higher tempo than Tyrone. When we win the analysts will show how our tactics were superior ignoring that at the moment we have 20+ players who are better than Tyrone.
Must say enjoyed Bennys robust demolishing of Emmett's analysis - think Emmett you took a few shortcuts as you knew the answer.
Well I'd argue we have the best goalkeeper, defender (Gormley), midfielder (Sean Cav) and forward (SoN) on show plus the best manager. May not be enough to win the game but it will not be another demolition job like Donegal.
QuoteWell I'd argue we have the best goalkeeper, defender (Gormley), midfielder (Sean Cav) and forward (SoN) on show plus the best manager. May not be enough to win the game but it will not be another demolition job like Donegal.
sounds like famous last words to me
Gormley would not be much rate by anyone outside tyrone or MSG SON has been off for and neither team goalie would even be 1st choice intheir own teams
I give Cavanagh sr is playing out of his skin but so are both O sheas could the same be said for Colm don't really think so
It not a bad complaint wheen your biggest problem is no team has been able to get near you in the year .
my other fear is after how BIG the donegal game was this may be an anticlimax
I think we're hoping for a 2008 Dublin performance - a bolt from the blue when a previously-stuttering side magically moulds into a serious outfit over 70 mins.
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 22, 2013, 06:01:05 PM
Having read all the posts in this thread over the last couple of weeks im looking forward to this game more and more.
Im a tyrone supporter, however im worried about the lack of firepower we have up font. I cant see darren mccurry scoring much (if at all) from play, stephen o'neill is far too isolated up front and has therefore been easily marked by a number of defenders at once, im personally glad penrose is suspended and our half forward line, outside matty donnelly for the odd score are basically defending, trying to win break ball, and play on the counter.
To all mayo supporters, Aidan O'Shea has been awesome this year in the championship, no doubt about that, but if he marks sean cavanagh on sunday, guaranteed he is taken off him after 15 minutes, he doesnt have his engine or athleticism, and sean will run him riot.
Personally however i dont see this battle as being the winning of the game. I think it will be won by who has the greater influence, Alan Dillon or Conor Gormley. If Gomley gets to grips with him and stops him putting ball into their full forward line then we are in business, if not............then we're scooped.
Prediction: If Tyrone dont concede any goals, tyrone win.
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 05:26:06 PM
Its been exciting this week. There has been some crap talked and some wise words. Problem is - Nobody knows yet who is talking the crap and who is talking the wise words. Sunday might answer all, but don't rule out a dodgy draw, and then I would actually fancy Mayo in the replay. Id weigh it up by saying Mayo have it all to lose on Sunday, Tyrone have lost all their big championship games for 4 years and have a bit to go yet. Its a good chance to see where a young Tyrone team might pitch in against the all Ireland favourites.
One last laden comment might be that what an encouragement it would be for London to know they created goal chances in the first 20 minutes against the future ai champions.
Enjoy the game lads.
I honestly think Mayo players stood back to allow them the space. London's tackles were so reckless and the referee was all London. Mayo wanted to avoid injury for the next game. Mayo will not step aside for Tyrone, they are no London, they are a top 5-6 team.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 22, 2013, 06:01:05 PM
Having read all the posts in this thread over the last couple of weeks im looking forward to this game more and more.
Im a tyrone supporter, however im worried about the lack of firepower we have up font. I cant see darren mccurry scoring much (if at all) from play, stephen o'neill is far too isolated up front and has therefore been easily marked by a number of defenders at once, im personally glad penrose is suspended and our half forward line, outside matty donnelly for the odd score are basically defending, trying to win break ball, and play on the counter.
To all mayo supporters, Aidan O'Shea has been awesome this year in the championship, no doubt about that, but if he marks sean cavanagh on sunday, guaranteed he is taken off him after 15 minutes, he doesnt have his engine or athleticism, and sean will run him riot.
Personally however i dont see this battle as being the winning of the game. I think it will be won by who has the greater influence, Alan Dillon or Conor Gormley. If Gomley gets to grips with him and stops him putting ball into their full forward line then we are in business, if not............then we're scooped.
Prediction: If Tyrone dont concede any goals, tyrone win.
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Sean Cavanagh might not see enough of the ball to need be marked. It will be Seamus who does any marking job on Sean Cavanagh if needs be.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 07:23:51 PM
I think we're hoping for a 2008 Dublin performance - a bolt from the blue when a previously-stuttering side magically moulds into a serious outfit over 70 mins.
I dunno. Football has changed a lot since then-the quality of Roscommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan was much higher than Louth, Westmeath and Mayo(pre-bestteamever) (and Wexford in the SF) were in 2008. Rather than elevate Tyrone to some lofty heights, if they win it will drop Mayo to the level of those who have gone before them. Forwards need to start scoring, though.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 07:34:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Seems like your townie may have put his foot in his mouth again !
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2013, 07:48:21 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2013, 07:34:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Seems like your townie may have put his foot in his mouth again !
You listening to Off The Ball on news talk?
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 22, 2013, 06:01:05 PM
Having read all the posts in this thread over the last couple of weeks im looking forward to this game more and more.
Im a tyrone supporter, however im worried about the lack of firepower we have up font. I cant see darren mccurry scoring much (if at all) from play, stephen o'neill is far too isolated up front and has therefore been easily marked by a number of defenders at once, im personally glad penrose is suspended and our half forward line, outside matty donnelly for the odd score are basically defending, trying to win break ball, and play on the counter.
To all mayo supporters, Aidan O'Shea has been awesome this year in the championship, no doubt about that, but if he marks sean cavanagh on sunday, guaranteed he is taken off him after 15 minutes, he doesnt have his engine or athleticism, and sean will run him riot.
Personally however i dont see this battle as being the winning of the game. I think it will be won by who has the greater influence, Alan Dillon or Conor Gormley. If Gomley gets to grips with him and stops him putting ball into their full forward line then we are in business, if not............then we're scooped.
Prediction: If Tyrone dont concede any goals, tyrone win.
Mayo can win a points race juat as easily. If they weren't splitting teams open they'd be layering on 20+ most days and indeed did so against us when for whatever reason the goals didn't come. They are playing exceptionally in attack and it certainly doesn't just boil down to goals.
Dillon has become more peripheral to Mayo this season (his stomach injury obviously contributing to that) and outside of the Galway game and the first half against Donegal he's been one of the more average performers on the Mayo team, in the context of a team overall playing great.
Shutting down Dillon isn't going to change much, were Gormley even capable of doing that. Mayo's HBs (which in most ways will number five with McLoughlin and Higgins going box-to-box) are the primary creators in attack and it'll that an incredibly marking job by Tyrone to keep them all quiet at any time.
Oh, and if AOS were marking Sean Cavanagh (which he won't be) he'd clean Cavanagh out in the air. Cavanagh operates best in space and has been cleaned out in his midfielder duties many times in his career. Going up against the best pure midfielder in the country would in no way be a good match-up for him.
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Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Seems like your townie may have put his foot in his mouth again !
You listening to Off The Ball on news talk?
Spit it out.
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Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Seems like your townie may have put his foot in his mouth again !
You listening to Off The Ball on news talk?
Spit it out.
The lad Brady hinting that
AOS may miss Sunday due to injury.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Seems like your townie may have put his foot in his mouth again !
You listening to Off The Ball on news talk?
Spit it out.
The lad Brady hinting that AOS may miss Sunday due to injury.
Thats what I was also told, then he tried to backtrack.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Seems like your townie may have put his foot in his mouth again !
You listening to Off The Ball on news talk?
Spit it out.
The lad Brady hinting that AOS may miss Sunday due to injury.
Thats what I was also told, then he tried to backtrack.
It will be grand, hey!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Here's another Tyrone man thinking AOS will 'mark' Cavanagh. I can't see AOS picking up Cavanagh.
Especially if he's not on the pitch :-X
Seems like your townie may have put his foot in his mouth again !
You listening to Off The Ball on news talk?
Spit it out.
The lad Brady hinting that AOS may miss Sunday due to injury.
Thats what I was also told, then he tried to backtrack.
It will be grand, hey!
Hopefully, but why say that if there is not some creedence to it. listen live now.
Emmet to be the white-stick out of Croke for larry (who's rose-infused spectacles will have clarified with such alarming alacrity half-way through the second-half as to render him blind to white light! :P) at 5:30, fair dues Emmet, what a man! ;)
You know my dad or is this a different Larry you speak of?
What kind of Tyrone support will there be on Sunday? Judging from tickets available seems to be a big crowd overall going. It's been quiet round tyrone all year but have sensed increased anticipation as the week goes on with more flags etc on display. Hopefully another wonderful occasion.
Quote from: emmetryan on August 22, 2013, 08:14:16 PM
You know my dad or is this a different Larry you speak of?
Apologies, scroll back a bit, you'll soon happen upon the larry I speak of! ;)
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 07:55:37 PM
Mayo can win a points race juat as easily. If they weren't splitting teams open they'd be layering on 20+ most days and indeed did so against us when for whatever reason the goals didn't come.
(http://cdn3.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article29298454.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20130527_SFA_004_27733636_I1.JPG)
Scored six of the nine goals v London,Donegal and he created most of the goals against Galway. Mayo are unlikely to score twenty points so they need to stop O'Connors influence on this game more than anyone.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 07:55:37 PM
Mayo can win a points race juat as easily. If they weren't splitting teams open they'd be layering on 20+ most days and indeed did so against us when for whatever reason the goals didn't come.
(http://cdn3.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article29298454.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20130527_SFA_004_27733636_I1.JPG)
Scored six of the nine goals v London,Donegal and he created most of the goals against Galway. Mayo are unlikely to score twenty points so they need to stop O'Connors influence on this game more than anyone.
No Cillian that day.
Mayo: D Clarke; T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (0-01); L Keegan (0-01), D Vaughan (0-01), C Boyle (0-02); A O'Shea (0-01), S O'Shea; K McLoughlin (0-05, 0-04f), R Feeney (0-01), C Carolan; E Varley (0-01), A Freeman (0-4, 0-03f), A Dillon (0-01).
Subs: K O'Malley for Clarke (35 mins), A Moran (0-01) for Carolan (44 mins), D Coen (0-02) for Varley (49 mins), S McHale for Cafferkey (54 mins), K Keane for Higgins (59), C Compton for Higgins (61 mins).
McAliskey in.
2 changes then. McKenna & McAliskey come in for Carlin & Penrose. Am
Genuinely suprised.
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2013, 08:39:19 PM
No Cillian that day.
Whatever reason the goals didn't come Syferus was wondering. Thats why i posted a picture of main goal scorer,creator.
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
20 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nau
21 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
22 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
26 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
Does this suggest a 3-man FF line?
Perhaps O'Neill on the 45?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2013, 08:39:19 PM
No Cillian that day.
Whatever reason the goals didn't come Syferus was wondering. Thats why i posted a picture of main goal scorer,creator.
Saw that, I was surprised that Syferus missed it in the first place though.
Quote from: God14 on August 22, 2013, 08:42:45 PM
2 changes then. McKenna & McAliskey come in for Carlin & Penrose. Am
Genuinely suprised.
As Mickey says, cut it in training, show it in the game itself! ;)
No Ronan O'Neill at all? He looked a good un at minor as did Coney.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 08:46:43 PM
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
20 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nau
21 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
22 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
26 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
How many of those substitutions are likely to make impact on Sunday? a far cry from the substitutions Tyrone had in 2003,05 or 08.
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2013, 08:50:35 PM
No Ronan O'Neill at all? He looked a good un at minor as did Coney.
He's fallen off the end of the list I'd say, nothing after 26 (for program-listing purposes).
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 08:46:43 PM
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
20 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nau
21 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
22 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
26 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
How many of those substitutions are likely to make impact on Sunday? a far cry from the substitutions Tyrone had in 2003,05 or 08.
Cassidy, Coney, Ronan ONeill, McNabb, Carlin - not that bad! Cassidy and Oneill could certainly make an impact.
Good to see McAliskey in-I'd say he's chompin' at the bit-a goal-getter and big point scorer. As I've said before I think Tyrone have been at their most exciting this year with McAliskey and McCurry. Expect the two Donnelly's to be mopping up around the middle third. 3 man full forward line would curtail the Mayo backs from marauding forward-they need to really show for the ball from the off. Good to see the youth coming in. Excited by that line-up.
I want 120 pages by 6pm on Sunday
I'll lock her up until after the game ;)
Quote from: Minder on August 22, 2013, 09:07:59 PM
I want 120 pages by 6pm on Sunday
I'd say that's a good enough bet.
No major shocks in the Tyrone team.
Mayo by a bagful. Knock airport will be busy the weekend of the All ireland.
Minors and seniors both in it.
Interesting selection from mickey surprised mckenna in ahead of carlin glad to see mcginley holding on to his place. Did mcAliskey or McCurry play in the league game ? Looks like a 3 man fullforward line with plenty of pace. I can see very congested middle third with loads of space for big Sean to gallop into behind midfield.
Happy with that team - McAliskey was unlucky to lose his place and is a super footballer. Ryan McKenna adds pace to the defence. Bring it on!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 09:23:19 PM
Happy with that team - McAliskey was unlucky to lose his place and is a super footballer. Ryan McKenna adds pace to the defence. Bring it on!!
That we will! :P
I'd imagine it's a bit of a spanner in the works for the Mayo team. They certainly won't have been preparing for a Tyrone team with McAliskey who has hardly featured all year(to my surprise)-a bit of tactical chess there by the bearded one.
Quote from: Minder on August 22, 2013, 09:07:59 PM
I want 120 pages by 6pm on Sunday
Some craic if it's a draw. :o
The internet might break.
No pressure on Mayo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23797234
Mayo hope to end 62-year-old curse at All-Ireland final
By Thomas Niblock
BBC Sport NI
The last time Mayo won the Sam Maguire cup was in 1951
Some would say Tyrone don't have a prayer on Sunday against Mayo in the All-Ireland gaelic football semi-final.
It has nothing to do with the skills and abilities of the players but a belief in a 62-year-old curse.
Mayo, the three times All-Ireland champions have cruised into Sunday's semi-final, annihilating Galway, Roscommon, London and All-Ireland champions Donegal on their way.
It is in stark contrast to the typical Mayo story.
It has been a depressing six decades for the team's supporters, and it all stems back to their All-Ireland win in 1951.
So what is the supposed curse?
"When the 1951 team were returning to the county after their All-Ireland win, they apparently reached a funeral taking place in one of the towns approaching Castlebar," former Mayo All-Ireland finalist Liam McHale said.
"Apparently some of the lads, maybe enjoying the trip home, angered the local priest who cursed them saying they would never win another All-Ireland while any of the '51 team are alive."
Since Mayo lost another All-Ireland final in September 2012, two more of that famous '51 squad have passed away.
Former Kerry player and manager Paídí Ó Sé took the same train, at the same time, to Dublin on match day
John McAllister died in September 2012, Mick Mouldering in June.
Folklore
Today, Paddy Prendergast, Fr Peter Quinn and Paradigm Carney are the only three still alive.
Before Mick Mouldering died, he refuted the curse in James Laffey's book The Road to '51.
"Don't let any anyone tell you, we didn't stop for a funeral," he said.
Continue reading the main story
Mayo's All-Ireland final failures
1989 - lost to Cork
1996 - conceded a last-minute goal to draw against Meath
1996 - lost to Meath in replay
1997 - lost to Kerry
2004 - lost to Kerry
2006 - lost by Kerry
2012 - lost to Donegal
Whether it is an urban myth or has a little bit of truth, the "curse of 51" has a vibrant heartbeat in western Irish folklore, and with the current players too.
"I first heard of it around the mid-nineties when Mayo reached the All-Ireland final, it's something you hear about, but it's something you take with a pinch of salt," said Mayo player Keith Higgins.
Superstition is rife in sport, particularly the GAA.
Former Kerry player and manager Paídí Ó Sé lived his whole life believing in it.
He took the same train, at the same time, to Dublin on match day and visited the same church at the same time.
Michael Jordan wore his university shorts under his uniform to every game for almost two decades
"He would wear the same suit to every game, he would wear the same togs to every game he played in," said Paídí 's daughter Neasa.
Paídí wasn't the only one.
Michael Jordan, considered the greatest basketball player of all time, wore his University of North Carolina shorts under his uniform to every game for almost two decades.
Tennis player Björn Borg grew a beard before Wimbledon every year.
Nonsense
He won five straight titles at the All-England club between 1976 and 1980.
Serena Williams is another.
The three-times Wimbledon champion insists on bringing her shower sandals to the court, tying her shoelaces a specific way, bouncing the ball five times before her first serve and twice before her second.
Superstition - reverential to some, to others, it is nonsense.
"I don't believe in the curse," the Mayo manager James Horan said.
"There's always a lot of talk about it in Mayo and specifically the 1951 (squad) and much folklore surrounds that great team. As regards the curse, it's a good story but not one I believe in."
In reality, most supporters agree with Mr Horan. It is a good story, one perhaps not to be taken too seriously.
Mayo captain Andy Moran said the reason the team hadn't won the last three All-Ireland's was because they were not good enough
But with every passing year without All-Ireland success, urban myth can become ingrained in culture.
Curses
In 2011, Mayo playwright Mick Donnellan's first scene in Shortcut to Hallelujah was about a Mayo-Kerry All-Ireland final, where only one of the '51 team was alive.
It was a sell-out in Mayo.
The captain of the Mayo team, Andy Moran, laughed when I asked him if he believed in curses.
"I worked with kids visiting schools last year and they were telling me about the curse," he said.
It's all bit of fun. But the reason I've been in three All-Irelands and haven't won any of them is because we haven't been good enough. It's as simple as that."
Sixty-two years have passed since Mayo last won the All-Ireland.
They are now two steps away from capturing the Sam Maguire Cup for a fourth time in their history, and putting to bed the urban myth which continues to lurk in the background.
Tyrone will hope the myth continues, at least until after the match.
Happy enough with the team. Someone criticised the subs. Justy McMahon, carlin, ronan o'neill, Cassidy and McNabb could all have big roles to play before its over. A strong bench in my opinion.
QuoteFormer Kerry player and manager Paídí Ó Sé lived his whole life believing in it.
He took the same train, at the same time, to Dublin on match day and visited the same church at the same time.
Michael Jordan wore his university shorts under his uniform to every game for almost two decades
"He would wear the same suit to every game, he would wear the same togs to every game he played in," said Paídí 's daughter Neasa.
There is no way in hell that Michael Jordan wore Paudí O'Sé's shorts to every match!
Stopped reading at "curse", this is shite spouted outside the county and you never hear it within or amongst Mayo fans.
On a side note, there is no such thing as a "curse".
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
Never.
We are going for 129 Sam's in a row.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 22, 2013, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 22, 2013, 09:07:59 PM
I want 120 pages by 6pm on Sunday
Some craic if it's a draw. :o
The internet might break.
Or if a Tyronie gets "unjustly" sent off !
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
Don't worry about it, we won't be behind at any stage on sunday.
McAliskey good game in the League final, 33,000 at that match.
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2013, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2013, 08:39:19 PM
No Cillian that day.
Whatever reason the goals didn't come Syferus was wondering. Thats why i posted a picture of main goal scorer,creator.
Saw that, I was surprised that Syferus missed it in the first place though.
Arrah lads, COC has played finisher rather than creator for most of his goals, he's mainly been there to tab away a wonderful bit of build-up play.
Obviously part of the reason but Mayo had gilt-edged chances to net against us. Darren O'Malley (our championship debutant keeper) made a few spectacular saves that only look better with the perspective of all of Mayo's other matches this season. O'Malley put in a serious shift against Tyrone too.
Tyrone got caught for pace in a two-on-one for the goal they conceded against us so so I'd worry about them holding out against the speed Mayo play at.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
Don't worry about it, we won't be behind at any stage on sunday.
That's some pressure for your players, keep it up!
who will be first on page 100
Not James H anyway ::)
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2013, 09:48:05 PM
who will be first on page 100
Syferus talking up Mayo and how exited he is about Sunday or Farrandeelin talking down Mayo and how worried he is about Sunday.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2013, 09:48:05 PM
who will be first on page 100
Syferus talking up Mayo and how exited he is about Sunday or Farrandeelin talking down Mayo and how worried he is about Sunday.
Benny bemoaning the lack of non-Tyrone belief in the red hand lads.
Curse, shmurse, load of oul bollix!
G'wan sure..for old times sake
(http://mayogaablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Mayo-Tyrone-1989.jpg)
I can't believe the lack of non Tyrone belief in the Red Hand lads! (I don't even know what this means)
*edit: Damn - miss judged the 100th page post >:(
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Today, Paddy Prendergast, Fr Peter Quinn and Paradigm Carney are the only three still alive.
1996 - conceded a last-minute goal :P to draw against Meath
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 22, 2013, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Today, Paddy Prendergast, Fr Peter Quinn and Paradigm Carney are the only three still alive.
1996 - conceded a last-minute goal :P to draw against Meath
Must be one of those over the bar goals ::)
Team Named
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 22, 2013, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Today, Paddy Prendergast, Fr Peter Quinn and Paradigm Carney are the only three still alive.
1996 - conceded a last-minute goal :P to draw against Meath
Must be one of those over the bar goals ::)
Paradigm must be the new name for Flying Doctor!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 22, 2013, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 22, 2013, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Today, Paddy Prendergast, Fr Peter Quinn and Paradigm Carney are the only three still alive.
1996 - conceded a last-minute goal :P to draw against Meath
Must be one of those over the bar goals ::)
Paradigm must be the new name for Flying Doctor!
They must be waiting for him to shift.
Arra, the curse is a handy enough peg to hang your hat on if you want to blame everybody else for your own shortcomings. Sligo has its priest's curse to explain away its relative lack of success and, not to be left out of anything that's going, the Rossies claim to have one too.
That's only our immediate neighbours and I've heard of a fair few others.
I've come across Clare people who blame Biddy Earley for all their troubles.
So Mayo is by no means unique in this regard.
Maybe Seanie or Sligonian could fill in the details for me but I think the Sligo squad on their way to a Connacht final slipped out before mass was over (Ballymote?) and the priest laid a curse of some sort on them there and then.
Syf or Rossfan or any of the other Rossie lads may know more about their curse than I do. According to my informant, something or other happened during mass in Boyle that "drew down the wrath from the pulpit."
Rhubarb Crumble...
Quote from: tyronefan on August 22, 2013, 10:12:16 PM
Team Named
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
This has to be a
Back to the Future moment! :P
The slip against Mc Manus seems to have cost Dermy Carlin his starting place
Ooooooooooone hundred!!! pages a dung
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 10:16:43 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 10:15:31 PM
Rhubarb Crumble...
It's the curse...
Talking to yourself is an even bigger curse.
The umpires will be around for you shortly.
I don't think it's a 3 man FF line. I think Stevie will play around the 45, close to mf.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2013, 09:48:05 PM
who will be first on page 100
Syferus talking up Mayo and how exited he is about Sunday or Farrandeelin talking down Mayo and how worried he is about Sunday.
You might get Syf to change but Farr won't budge. Geez, we're doing nicely as we are so let him moan away to f**k! ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2013, 10:09:01 PM
I can't believe the lack of non Tyrone belief in the Red Hand lads! (I don't even know what this means)
*edit: Damn - miss judged the 100th page post >:(
Premature Exclamation!
I found a photo of Pakie McConnell's soccer trials.
Might be better if Cillian stays away from the goals
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSTS9ugIgAACFEm.jpg:large)
100 pages.
And after a find days work the last time out Mayo has named an unchanged team
Mayo: Robert Hennelly (Breaffy); Tom Cunniffe (Castlebar Mitchels), Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites), Chris Barrett (Belmullet); Lee Keegan (Westport), Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe), Colm Boyle (Davitts); Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy), Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy); Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis), Alan Dillon (Ballintubber); Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber), Alan Freeman (Aghamore), Andy Moran (capt, Ballaghaderreen).
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
We went a point down against Roscommon. To be honest, we didn't play particularly well for 20 minutes of that game. I'd be slightly worried that we will have the same problem this time (due to the fact that it's set up for a mighty Mayo fall) and Tyrone will have a few points to spare on us at that stage. And they're better than Roscommon and probably have improved with the games they've played since their one with Roscommon.
I think it's more likely that Steve will play close to goal with mccurry and mcaliskey playing slightly deeper. The two donnellys deep between 1/2 back line and mfield. Joey maybe pick up Oshea and Gormely as sweeper. Mckenna is in for speed to do a man marking job CoC. I think we could be parking the bus and hitting them on the break with cavanagh playing in an advanced mfield position. Unlikely to be a high scoring game 0-14 to 0-12. Tyrone to grind out a result.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 08:46:43 PM
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
20 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nau
21 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
22 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
26 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
[/quote
Legends in 72 hours perhaps. It's interesting to note the decline of east Tyrone in that team. No coaliSland dungannon dmore ardboe moor town derrylaughan cookatown and others
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 10:35:44 PM
I think it's more likely that Steve will play close to goal with mccurry and mcaliskey playing slightly deeper. The two donnellys deep between 1/2 back line and mfield. Joey maybe pick up Oshea and Gormely as sweeper. Mckenna is in for speed to do a man marking job CoC. I think we could be parking the bus and hitting them on the break with cavanagh playing in an advanced mfield position. Unlikely to be a high scoring game 0-14 to 0-12. Tyrone to grind out a result.
He has a habit of bringing Stephen out though. Some of his best work recently has been picking the ball up 50 out and playing a killer pass.
Agree with O'Neill here. It seemed like SoN got his hands on the ball more times in that 20 mins he was on the 40 against Monaghan than he did for the whole championship before that!
Can see our forward division setting up like this:
McAliskey McCurry
↑ SoN ↑
Mark D Matty D
↑
Sean C
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 10:35:44 PM
I think it's more likely that Steve will play close to goal with mccurry and mcaliskey playing slightly deeper. The two donnellys deep between 1/2 back line and mfield. Joey maybe pick up Oshea and Gormely as sweeper. Mckenna is in for speed to do a man marking job CoC. I think we could be parking the bus and hitting them on the break with cavanagh playing in an advanced mfield position. Unlikely to be a high scoring game 0-14 to 0-12. Tyrone to grind out a result.
That would be my formation. Stevie very effective at pulling defenders away from the middle. Much the same gameplan as has been, only with another target up front and the two donnelly's doing a deeper, Penrose job. I can see Tyrone goals here.
Tyrone 2-12 1-13 Mayo
Yeah. They'll play someone close to the end line but like ONeill said, good chance it isn't SON
The curse is always the game changer. as a Tyrone man I really wish mayo football wasn't cursed.
Stevie has a score to settle after 2004, when he scored an absolute screamer of a goal in a vain attempt to turn things around against a resolutely defiant Mayo; though nothing would sail between the posts for us, and lost count of the number of attempts that flew just millimetres wide!
Mickey has been taking oneill out to the 45 but it has tended to be later on in games to get him more into games. Particularly the Donegal game. Last day out he done it in response to penroses red card. Funny enough he took Stevie off against Monaghan just when he seemed to become more effective in the role. I think for Mayo game he will play 3up to keep them committed at the back. Bring them on and strip the ball. I would say the tackling drills have been fiercely stepped up in the last three weeks.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
We went a point down against Roscommon. To be honest, we didn't play particularly well for 20 minutes of that game. I'd be slightly worried that we will have the same problem this time (due to the fact that it's set up for a mighty Mayo fall) and Tyrone will have a few points to spare on us at that stage. And they're better than Roscommon and probably have improved with the games they've played since their one with Roscommon.
That is a frightening statistic...
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 22, 2013, 10:46:37 PM
Agree with O'Neill here. It seemed like SoN got his hands on the ball more times in that 20 mins he was on the 40 against Monaghan than he did for the whole championship before that!
Can see our forward division setting up like this:
McAliskey McCurry
↑ SoN ↑
Mark D Matty D
↑
Sean C
That's an impressive graphic.
A bit disappointed in Tyrone line up. Hoped to see McNabb and Ronan O'Neill start.
still I suppose they are two very good impact subs as they showed last day out.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
We went a point down against Roscommon. To be honest, we didn't play particularly well for 20 minutes of that game. I'd be slightly worried that we will have the same problem this time (due to the fact that it's set up for a mighty Mayo fall) and Tyrone will have a few points to spare on us at that stage. And they're better than Roscommon and probably have improved with the games they've played since their one with Roscommon.
That is a frightening statistic...
You asked a question, I answered.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
We went a point down against Roscommon. To be honest, we didn't play particularly well for 20 minutes of that game. I'd be slightly worried that we will have the same problem this time (due to the fact that it's set up for a mighty Mayo fall) and Tyrone will have a few points to spare on us at that stage. And they're better than Roscommon and probably have improved with the games they've played since their one with Roscommon.
That is a frightening statistic...
They scored first and that was it, wasn't it.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 10:48:38 PM
Stevie has a score to settle after 2004, when he scored an absolute screamer of a goal in a vain attempt to turn things around against a resolutely defiant Mayo; though nothing would sail between the posts for us, and lost count of the number of attempts that flew just millimetres wide!
Didn't Mark Harte have a stinker from frees? When Stevie scored it was level and we had numerous chances to kick on. That was an All-Ireland lost.
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 10:48:12 PM
The curse is always the game changer. as a Tyrone man I really wish mayo football wasn't cursed.
We are not cursed, there is no such thing as a curse ffs.
On a similar note, we always feckin concede the first score or two (apart from the Offaly debacle).
Paddy Power have a bet around first scoring play. Mayo point it is.
I've cheered on heartily for Tyrone over the years, loved the way they played football in 2005 and 2008.
But this isn't 2008, and Mayo -4 at 21/20 is this year's gift to us from the bookmakers.
I would confidently predict it will be over by half time, and Tyrone won't finish with any more than 13 men on the park.
There's a level of expectation now attached to mayo football worldwide. The hype is unprecedented :
Here's some tweets:
I do have relations in mayo bill Jefferson Clinton
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 10:48:38 PM
Stevie has a score to settle after 2004, when he scored an absolute screamer of a goal in a vain attempt to turn things around against a resolutely defiant Mayo; though nothing would sail between the posts for us, and lost count of the number of attempts that flew just millimetres wide!
Didn't Mark Harte have a stinker from frees? When Stevie scored it was level and we had numerous chances to kick on. That was an All-Ireland lost.
From memory we seemed to hit the upright a number of times that day. Also remember Alan Dillon having one of those days were everything he hit went over the bar. Was sure we were going to win after SoN scored that wonder goal.
Mayo will score after 13 secs. Their fans will be foaming. 0-4 to 0-0 after 4 mins. Talk of booking hotel rooms for the AIF. Cavanagh booms over a free. Ripple of boos from Mayoites to amuse themselves in a mock panto atmosphere. 0-12 to 0-4 for Mayo at HT. Tyrone fans leave to save the sandwiches for the minor semi the following week.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 22, 2013, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 10:48:38 PM
Stevie has a score to settle after 2004, when he scored an absolute screamer of a goal in a vain attempt to turn things around against a resolutely defiant Mayo; though nothing would sail between the posts for us, and lost count of the number of attempts that flew just millimetres wide!
Didn't Mark Harte have a stinker from frees? When Stevie scored it was level and we had numerous chances to kick on. That was an All-Ireland lost.
From memory we seemed to hit the upright a number of times that day. Also remember Alan Dillon having one of those days were everything he hit went over the bar. Was sure we were going to win after SoN scored that wonder goal.
David Brady scored three point off the bench, literally. He scored them from right in front of the bench. Never before or again did we see him do that.
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2013, 10:59:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 22, 2013, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 10:48:38 PM
Stevie has a score to settle after 2004, when he scored an absolute screamer of a goal in a vain attempt to turn things around against a resolutely defiant Mayo; though nothing would sail between the posts for us, and lost count of the number of attempts that flew just millimetres wide!
Didn't Mark Harte have a stinker from frees? When Stevie scored it was level and we had numerous chances to kick on. That was an All-Ireland lost.
From memory we seemed to hit the upright a number of times that day. Also remember Alan Dillon having one of those days were everything he hit went over the bar. Was sure we were going to win after SoN scored that wonder goal.
David Brady scored three point off the bench, literally. He scored them from right in front of the bench. Never before or again did we see him do that.
Then Gormley lost the ball in the glare of the sun, it hit him on the bake and he had to go off.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2013, 10:55:50 PM
I've cheered on heartily for Tyrone over the years, loved the way they played football in 2005 and 2008.
But this isn't 2008, and Mayo -4 at 21/20 is this year's gift to us from the bookmakers.
I would confidently predict it will be over by half time, and Tyrone won't finish with any more than 13 men on the park.
When was the last time Tyrone lost a really close championship match? Perhaps Mayo in 2004? Down 2008? We normally win the tight ones....... Or get bate out the door with 15 mins left. (Dublin x2, Cork, Kerry.) That's your bet then, Tyrone to win @ 7/2 covered by Mayo -8 @ decent odds I presume.
Can see our forward division setting up more like this:
McAliskey >>> ^^^ McCurry>>^^
SoN >>> ^^^ ^^^^
Mark D >> Matty D^^^
||||^^^^^^^***
Sean C
I think we need to test the dodgy keeper and this might mean Cassidy at some point
[/quote]
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:08:01 PM
Can see our forward division setting up more like this:
McAliskey >>> ^^^ McCurry>>^^
SoN >>> ^^^ ^^^^
Mark D >> Matty D^^^
||||^^^^^^^***
Sean C
I think we need to test the dodgy keeper and this might mean Cassidy at some point
Sickening, sickening arrow-gance.
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:08:01 PM
Can see our forward division setting up more like this:
McAliskey >>> ^^^ McCurry>>^^
SoN >>> ^^^ ^^^^
Mark D >> Matty D^^^
||||^^^^^^^***
Sean C
I think we need to test the dodgy keeper and this might mean Cassidy at some point
[/quote]
You're in some form the day!
I can see the Mayo coming expecting the score fest they have become accustomed to but suddenly find themselves in a game were every score will be hard got. I wonder will they have the patience not to try to force it. Turnovers is the rock upon which many teams have floundered on against Mickey Harte's teams.
Marty McGuinness has just issued a warning to Mayo on twitter.
Bottle o' red
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Bottle o' red
Do ye remember saying in 1989 you'd ate yer jersey if Mayo bate us?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 22, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Have Mayo been behind in the Championship yet?
We went a point down against Roscommon. To be honest, we didn't play particularly well for 20 minutes of that game. I'd be slightly worried that we will have the same problem this time (due to the fact that it's set up for a mighty Mayo fall) and Tyrone will have a few points to spare on us at that stage. And they're better than Roscommon and probably have improved with the games they've played since their one with Roscommon.
That is a frightening statistic...
You asked a question, I answered.
I'm not joking when I say that's a frightening statistic. If I were Mickey Harte, I'd be using that as motivation for intensity. Tyrone will at least need to stay within 3-4 points to have any chance. Don't know how Mayo will react to going 3 or four down, though.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:16:22 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Bottle o' red
Do ye remember saying in 1989 you'd ate yer jersey if Mayo bate us?
Is it not still the same today? I would say Mayo have dropped even further down the hierarchy of counties Tyrone would feel challenged by in the minds of their fans since 1989 because of their recent successes and Mayo's almost annually failures?
Aye left loch An nuir full of hope returned from Croke a beaten man and ate that jersey still blame seanie smile was back by end of week though.. 8)
103 pages for one of the easiest semi finals in history to predict.
Was Anthony finnerty the worst player ever to play in an all Ireland final?
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 11:11:49 PM
I can see the Mayo coming expecting the score fest they have become accustomed to but suddenly find themselves in a game were every score will be hard got. I wonder will they have the patience not to try to force it. Turnovers is the rock upon which many teams have floundered on against Mickey Harte's teams.
You obviously not been watching Mayo this year. You are the ones who will need to watch for this.
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:25:06 PM
Was Anthony finnerty the worst player ever to play in an all Ireland final?
Wasn't even the worst Mayoman to play in a final let alone the worst player ever.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:12:54 PM
Marty McGuinness has just issued a warning to Mayo on twitter.
"Tyrones not gone away ya know"
They will be by monday ;)
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 22, 2013, 11:27:27 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:25:06 PM
Was Anthony finnerty the worst player ever to play in an all Ireland final?
Wasn't even the worst Mayoman to play in a final let alone the worst player ever.
He misses easy goals that even tommy mc guigan could mnr miss
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:32:54 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 22, 2013, 11:27:27 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:25:06 PM
Was Anthony finnerty the worst player ever to play in an all Ireland final?
Wasn't even the worst Mayoman to play in a final let alone the worst player ever.
He misses easy goals that even tommy mc guigan could mnr miss
Missed one great chance but he scored the goal that got us back into it!! As I said he is not even the worst Mayoman to have played in an All Ireland final let alone the worst player ever!
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
No it's not a foul.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
http://gaabanter.ie/forget-jimmy-barry-murphy-everyone-seany-shake/
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
http://gaabanter.ie/forget-jimmy-barry-murphy-everyone-seany-shake/
This needs to be shown to the ref before the game, the lad takes about 12 steps.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
How can it be a foul (for showing). It's in both hands all the time.
You obviously not been watching Mayo this year. You are the ones who will need to watch for this.
I have watched them a lot this year and always do. I have a lot of respect for them as my own people hail from bunniconlon. You on the other hand haven't been paying much attention to Tyrone of late
Tyrone have been playing a patient probing game at the back not overly inclined to take the ball into the tackle or pop in 50/50's. Mayo on the other hand have been playing a very fluent attacking game which is very susceptible to turnovers against. Horan is very open about his willingness to play an attacking style of game not unlike the Kerry team of the early to mid 00's and we know what tended to happen when that style of play came up against Harte.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 11:42:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
http://gaabanter.ie/forget-jimmy-barry-murphy-everyone-seany-shake/
This needs to be shown to the ref before the game, the lad takes about 12 steps.
It's took 100 pages and now the mayo lads have cracked. Telling tales because of a lack of faith in their own ability. This tyronegaa team are better than 2008 team and will play them beautifully on sinday
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
You obviously not been watching Mayo this year. You are the ones who will need to watch for this.
I have watched them a lot this year and always do. I have a lot of respect for them as my own people hail from bunniconlon. You on the other hand haven't been paying much attention to Tyrone of late
Tyrone have been playing a patient probing game at the back not overly inclined to take the ball into the tackle or pop in 50/50's. Mayo on the other hand have been playing a very fluent attacking game which is very susceptible to turnovers against. Horan is very open about his willingness to play an attacking style of game not unlike the Kerry team of the early to mid 00's and we know what tended to happen when that style of play came up against Harte.
Mayo played an attacking form of play against Tryone in the Championship and League throughout the 00's and won the vast majority of those encounters. We are not Kerry, we are not in awe of the Red Hand.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 22, 2013, 11:43:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
How can it be a foul (for showing). It's in both hands all the time.
Fair point.
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 11:42:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
http://gaabanter.ie/forget-jimmy-barry-murphy-everyone-seany-shake/
This needs to be shown to the ref before the game, the lad takes about 12 steps.
It's took 100 pages and now the mayo lads have cracked. Telling tales because of a lack of faith in their own ability. This tyronegaa team are better than 2008 team and will play them beautifully on sinday
Not at all, we will beat you if you cheat, but we will beat you by more if you are not allowed you black arts.
Mayo played an attacking form of play against Tryone in the Championship and League throughout the 00's and won the vast majority of those encounters. We are not Kerry, we are not in awe of the Red Hand.
Your right there your not Kerry they have a tendency to win All Irelands :o
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 11:58:24 PM
Mayo played an attacking form of play against Tryone in the Championship and League throughout the 00's and won the vast majority of those encounters. We are not Kerry, we are not in awe of the Red Hand.
Your right there your not Kerry they have a tendency to win All Irelands :o
This is a semi, no All-Ireland's handed out on sunday.
We do beat Tyrone and we like to do it in semis.
Former Tyrone player Ryan McMenamin reckons the county have it in them to upset Mayo in Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final at Croke Park.
While agreeing that the Connacht champions are favourites to advance to the decider on 22 September, McMenamin feels that Tyrone's journey through the back-door route will benefit them.
He told RTÉ Sport: "Mickey Harte has freshened up the team this year. A lot of the players involved were on the periphery of the squad. They have now got their chance and nothing beats competitive games.
"Throughout the summer the side have won tight matches and I have no doubt they have taken great heart from that. The character and the resolve in the present Tyrone squad is there to see.
"At the start of the year many fans would have been happy with getting to an All-Ireland quarter-final, but the fact that we got to a league decider and could have won it and are now in the last four is testament to the work being put in."
Like all onlookers, McMenamin has been impressed by Mayo, but is confident the Tyrone management will have a plan in place to curb their effectiveness.
He explained: "Mayo have been great to watch all year. Yet sometimes when you win well, the weaknesses in the side tend to be overlooked.
"I'm sure Mickey will have analysed the videos and highlighted any chinks. If Tyrone can slow the game down and play it on their terms it will be interesting to see how it all impacts on the supply of ball to the Mayo forwards.
"Everyone is saying our lads will be no match for them, yet as many people were doubting us after we lost to Donegal.
"Tyrone may not have the flair players that were around four or five years ago, but they are still in this Championship and there is enough talent in this present squad to suggest they can live with Mayo.
"In the years we won All-Irelands a few top-notch performances have been delivered. I'm confident of another one on Sunday."
As to whether McMenamin would put money on Tyrone, he replied: "Of course I would. I've heard odds of 9/1 and that's a great price."
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0822/469805-mcmenamin-tyrone-can-be-a-match-for-mayo/
Mayo played an attacking form of play against Tryone in the Championship and League throughout the 00's and won the vast majority of those encounters. We are not Kerry, we are not in awe of the Red Hand.
Your right there your not Kerry they have a tendency to win All Irelands
This is a semi, no All-Ireland's handed out on sunday.We do beat Tyrone and we like to do it in semis.
You may not fear Tyrone but your style of football may just play into their red hands.
9/1 , nobody is giving them odds, it tarnishes his whole piece as lies and b/s, dishonest like Tyrone football I suppose.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
9/1 , nobody is giving them odds, it tarnishes his whole piece as lies and b/s, dishonest like Tyrone football I suppose.
He's talking about the AI ye dick.
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« Reply #1558 on: Today at 12:09:37 AM »Quote9/1 , nobody is giving them odds, it tarnishes his whole piece as lies and b/s, dishonest like Tyrone football I suppose.
9/1 to win the All Ireland Ricey's no dozzer.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:12:00 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
9/1 , nobody is giving them odds, it tarnishes his whole piece as lies and b/s, dishonest like Tyrone football I suppose.
He's talking about the AI ye dick.
Tyrone arrogance, talking about All-Irelands. No respect.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
9/1 , nobody is giving them odds, it tarnishes his whole piece as lies and b/s, dishonest like Tyrone football I suppose.
Ever been handed your arse on a plate before? :P ;)
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:52:13 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 22, 2013, 11:43:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
The little jink that Sean Cavanagh does, is it not a foul, he does seem to show the ball but I'm not too sure how that rule is really defined or if it is really a rule .
How can it be a foul (for showing). It's in both hands all the time.
Fair point.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:15:22 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
9/1 , nobody is giving them odds, it tarnishes his whole piece as lies and b/s, dishonest like Tyrone football I suppose.
Ever been handed your arse on a plate before? :P ;)
Twice in the space of 2 pages
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:01:09 AM
He told RTÉ Sport: "Mickey Harte has freshened up the team this year. A lot of the players involved were on the periphery of the squad. They have now got their chance and nothing beats competitive games.
"
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0822/469805-mcmenamin-tyrone-can-be-a-match-for-mayo/
Did Ricey actually say that? I'm impressed!
Tyrone arrogance, talking about All-Irelands. No respect. 8)
Yip no respect thats the way you win them.
Ahh sure ya got me there hey, I hope it compensates for how you will feel Sunday night.
Who's gonna mark Sean?
Horan ain't stupid. Can the less talented O'Shea do it? A very limited footballer like Dick Clerkin managed it.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:18:30 AM
Ahh sure ya got me there hey, I hope it compensates for how you will feel Sunday night.
So, you've reconsidered the (avoidance of) making a proper eejit of yourself on this particular thread then (a few pages back)? ;)
Question How many All Ireland Semi Finals has Mickey Harte lost ?
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:22:11 AM
Who's gonna mark Sean?
Horan ain't stupid. Can the less talented O'Shea do it? A very limited footballer like Dick Clerkin managed it.
Clerkin came on when Hughes was spent (primarily because of the yellow card), and he still didn't prevent him (Cavanagh) from making those surging runs back towards his own goal! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:24:42 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:22:11 AM
Who's gonna mark Sean?
Horan ain't stupid. Can the less talented O'Shea do it? A very limited footballer like Dick Clerkin managed it.
Clerkin came on when Hughes was spent (primarily because of the yellow card), and he still didn't prevent him (Cavanagh) from making those surging runs back towards his own goal! ;)
Yes, Sean was smart enough to adjust. We needed his attacking play in the first half though.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:24:31 AM
Question How many All Ireland Semi Finals has Mickey Harte lost ?
Cork.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
COC has played finisher rather than creator for most of his goals, he's mainly been there to tab away a wonderful bit of build-up play.
Take the first goal against Donegal for example. It wasn't wonderful build up play Donegal were pressed into a mistake and O'Connor provided the cool,clam finish that other Mayo forwards may have missed. I remember O'Connor scoring a number of goals at minor level i always wondered why he stopped scoring them at senior level well it looks like hes found the goal scoring boots again.
As for Sunday it will be shock of the summer if Mayo don't win. I expect our neighbours to score at least 2 goals and upwards of 12 points. Tyrone might score 1 goal but you have to go back two years since they scored more than 2 goals in championship game & without scoring goals i can't see them causing a shock.
P.S one Tyrone poster claimed they played reserves v us back in July well 14 of those reserves are starting on Sunday.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:24:31 AM
Question How many All Ireland Semi Finals has Mickey Harte lost ?
Cork.
Will this get reposted on Sunday, I'm sure it will whatever the score.
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2013, 12:28:19 AM
P.S one Tyrone poster claimed they played reserves v us back in July well 14 of those reserves are starting on Sunday.
No disrespect to the Rossies, but it looked like the game was all over shortly after half-time, such was the Tyrone dominance and scores to match; but we relaxed (to an almost fatal degree), and your lads didn't, quite the reverse to be fair. True to say that if Ros had had a little more composure in front of the posts they could well have won. If, if, if...
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« Reply #1572 on: Today at 12:27:50 AM »QuoteQuote from: SkillfulBill on Today at 12:24:31 AMQuestion How many All Ireland Semi Finals has Mickey Harte lost ?
Cork.
Including minor and under 21's so he has been involved in 8 ? That's some record.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:22:11 AM
Who's gonna mark Sean?
Horan ain't stupid. Can the less talented O'Shea do it? A very limited footballer like Dick Clerkin managed it.
Up until this year, I rated Seamus as the better footballer.
Up until this year, I rated Seamus as the better footballer.
He must have been some footballer because the Aidan lad was a mighty footballer at minor. Either that or your a poor judge of footballers. I wonder. .....
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:32:40 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2013, 12:28:19 AM
P.S one Tyrone poster claimed they played reserves v us back in July well 14 of those reserves are starting on Sunday.
No disrespect to the Rossies, but it looked like the game was all over shortly after half-time, such was the Tyrone dominance and scores to match; but we relaxed (to an almost fatal degree), and your lads didn't, quite the reverse to be fair. True to say that if Ros had had a little more composure in front of the posts they could well have won. If, if, if...
You got six points in front with about 30 minutes to go at your best point in the match. If you lads think that constitutes game over Sunday is going to be a very short outing.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:43:25 AM
You got six points in front with over 20 minutes to go at your best point in the match. If you lads think that constitutes game over Sunday is going to be a very short outing.
Yawn! It was a mistake, evidently, but if you think our lads are going to even think about relaxing or switching down the gears come Sunday, well, think again Rossie/Mayo/Connacht, or whatever the feck you are! :P :)
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:41:25 AM
Up until this year, I rated Seamus as the better footballer.
He must have been some footballer because the Aidan lad was a mighty footballer at minor. Either that or your a poor judge of footballers. I wonder. .....
Seamus has up until this year had better judgement than Aidan, which is an essential quality of a good footballer. In 2013 Aidan has got his judgement right.
F... me Oneill how do you keep this going 18500 posts you must have no job and a very understanding good lady.
Unbelievable dedication to the cause.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:43:25 AM
You got six points in front with over 20 minutes to go at your best point in the match. If you lads think that constitutes game over Sunday is going to be a very short outing.
Yawn! It was a mistake, evidently, but if you think our lads are going to even think about relaxing or switching down the gears come Sunday, well, think again Rossie/Mayo/Connacht, or whatever the feck you are! :P :)
They don't have a gear that's going to live with Mayo so they could come out in ride-on lawnmowers locked in gear 1 (that's close shave mode to you and me) for all it would matter.
Seamus has up until this year had better judgement than Aidan, which is an essential quality of a good footballer. In 2013 Aidan has got his judgement right.
But when Aidan was a minor he had the x factor about him like donegals Murphy and McBeratty
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:52:39 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:43:25 AM
You got six points in front with over 20 minutes to go at your best point in the match. If you lads think that constitutes game over Sunday is going to be a very short outing.
Yawn! It was a mistake, evidently, but if you think our lads are going to even think about relaxing or switching down the gears come Sunday, well, think again Rossie/Mayo/Connacht, or whatever the feck you are! :P :)
They don't have a gear that's going to live with Mayo so they could come out in ride-on lawnmowers locked in gear 1 (that's close shave mode to you and me) for all it would matter.
Yeah, whatever, no point you even worrying about it so.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:52:39 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:43:25 AM
You got six points in front with over 20 minutes to go at your best point in the match. If you lads think that constitutes game over Sunday is going to be a very short outing.
Yawn! It was a mistake, evidently, but if you think our lads are going to even think about relaxing or switching down the gears come Sunday, well, think again Rossie/Mayo/Connacht, or whatever the feck you are! :P :)
They don't have a gear that's going to live with Mayo so they could come out in ride-on lawnmowers locked in gear 1 (that's close shave mode to you and me) for all it would matter.
Yeah, whatever, no point you even worrying about it so.
I have to attend the bleeding thing, I just hope I won't be bored to tears by yet another Harlem Globetrotters exhibition game by Mayo.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:52:50 AM
Seamus has up until this year had better judgement than Aidan, which is an essential quality of a good footballer. In 2013 Aidan has got his judgement right.
But when Aidan was a minor he had the x factor about him like donegals Murphy and McBeratty
You are right about that, you must admit for a while at senior he was very touch and go, largely due to poor choices on the pitch. In contrast Seamus was a powerful constant footballer. I think both lads are quality footballers now.
We have Big Barry Moran and Gibbons in reserve, not bad options in the centre of the pitch.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:48:53 AM
F... me Oneill how do you keep this going 18500 posts you must have no job and a very understanding good lady.
Unbelievable dedication to the cause.
I have no woman and no job. Thanks for humiliating me.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:56:19 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:48:53 AM
F... me Oneill how do you keep this going 18500 posts you must have no job and a very understanding good lady.
Unbelievable dedication to the cause.
I have no woman and no job. Thanks for humiliating me.
& no hope on sunday (sorry O'Neill)
Seamus has up until this year had better judgement than Aidan, which is an essential quality of a good footballer. In 2013 Aidan has got his judgement right.
If Horan asks him to shadow big Sean on sunday I hope he has the good sense to use his better judgement and tell him to go feck himself.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:59:00 AM
Seamus has up until this year had better judgement than Aidan, which is an essential quality of a good footballer. In 2013 Aidan has got his judgement right.
If Horan asks him to shadow big Sean on sunday I hope he has the good sense to use his better judgement and tell him to go feck himself.
It will be Seamus on Sean if they have any direct match up. (By the way, how the feck are you quoting, you're making a hames of it).
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
Yeah, whatever, no point you even worrying about it so.
I have to attend the bleeding thing, I just hope I won't be bored to tears by yet another Harlem Globetrotters exhibition game by Mayo.
Ah right, OK, we'll try to prevent that, honestly. ;)
Posting on tge phone its a bollix for copying. Technically challenged up here.
Ah O'Neill that explains it then . Did you have a job and a wife before you started posting then.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 01:04:05 AM
Posting on tge phone its a bollix for copying. Technically challenged up here.
You're forgiven, I am not the best with tech myself.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 01:01:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
Yeah, whatever, no point you even worrying about it so.
I have to attend the bleeding thing, I just hope I won't be bored to tears by yet another Harlem Globetrotters exhibition game by Mayo.
Ah right, OK, we'll try to prevent that, honestly. ;)
He is confused, trying to ride our coat tails on this thread and on the Minor championship thread claiming if Roscommon won the minors and Mayo won the Seniors they would somehow take the good out of it. It's as daft as saying if ye won Sam, Monaghan winning the minors would ruin it on ye (and ye haven't had a 62 year wait). I like the Rossies, Syf included, but the desperation is really showing.
@Rois.
How were things up in Garvaghy this evening? I am hearing they could barely get a dozen men out on the training field for fear of what is going to happen on Sunday. It's a good job the GPA have a counselling service available for our elite players. There will be some waiting list for the Ulster therapist come Monday morning.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:48:53 AM
F... me Oneill how do you keep this going 18500 posts you must have no job and a very understanding good lady.
Unbelievable dedication to the cause.
O'Neill is a teacher. 'Nuff said.
Them lazy hoors have nothing to do and spend all their time doing it.
You can take my word for that. ;D
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 01:09:57 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 01:01:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
Yeah, whatever, no point you even worrying about it so.
I have to attend the bleeding thing, I just hope I won't be bored to tears by yet another Harlem Globetrotters exhibition game by Mayo.
Ah right, OK, we'll try to prevent that, honestly. ;)
He is confused, trying to ride our coat tails on this thread and on the Minor championship thread claiming if Roscommon won the minors and Mayo won the Seniors they would somehow take the good out of it. It's as daft as saying if ye won Sam, Monaghan winning the minors would ruin it on ye (and ye haven't had a 62 year wait). I like the Rossies, Syf included, but the desperation is really showing.
The arch enemies arriving in a Roscommon town like Ballagh with Sam in tow would be a secondary concern to the fine local folk celebrating their own All-Ireland.
Would Mayo have been moved to joy if Galway had marched into Ballyhaunis with Sam in 1998?
http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/ (http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/)
(http://www.thestar.ie/star/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/aidan-620x330.jpg)
BROTHERS IN BATTLE
NO-ONE can say definitively — but it's almost certain that two sets of brothers have never faced off in a midfield battle on the senior inter-county stage.
Not until this weekend, when we'll see Tyrone's Cavanagh brothers — Sean and Colm — go head-to-head with Mayo's O'Shea's — Seamus and Aidan.
It's sure to be a titanic tussle, and with Sean Cavanagh and Aidan O'Shea two of the hottest players in the country right now, it could define Sunday's semi-final at Croke Park.
Minor
Sean and Colm Cavanagh have played together on and off at midfield since younger sibling Colm — a 2004 All-Ireland minor winner — became a Tyrone regular five years ago.
Former Mayo midfield star David Brady feels the Breaffy siblings compliment each other perfectly and that Seamus is back boning Aidan's sensational form.
Brady told Star Sport: "Mayo have missed a combination of players that suit each other.
"There's been change around midfield every second or third game. Last year the foundation was laid with Barry and Aidan O'Shea, but unfortunately Barry got injured.
"Seamus perfectly compliments him (Aidan), a lot of it unseen, the way they play with each other.
"They suit each others game and if they don't understand each other as brothers there is no hope for the rest of them."
Other county midfield football brothers include Armagh's Grimley twins — John and Mark — and Carlow's Walsh's — Tomas and Patrick.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 01:22:31 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 01:09:57 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 01:01:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
Yeah, whatever, no point you even worrying about it so.
I have to attend the bleeding thing, I just hope I won't be bored to tears by yet another Harlem Globetrotters exhibition game by Mayo.
Ah right, OK, we'll try to prevent that, honestly. ;)
He is confused, trying to ride our coat tails on this thread and on the Minor championship thread claiming if Roscommon won the minors and Mayo won the Seniors they would somehow take the good out of it. It's as daft as saying if ye won Sam, Monaghan winning the minors would ruin it on ye (and ye haven't had a 62 year wait). I like the Rossies, Syf included, but the desperation is really showing.
The arch enemies arriving in a Roscommon Mayo GAA town like Ballagh with Sam in tow would be a secondary concern to the fine local folk celebrating their own All-Ireland.
Would Mayo have been moved to joy if Galway had marched into Ballyhaunis with Sam in 1998?
The honest truth would both teams would be cheered through the town. With not a sane Rossie claiming that their Mayo majority neighbours achievement was not greater. But away from the dreams Syf, a bit more respect for the other semi-finalists in both comps. Mayo ladies in with a chance of an All-Ireland too this year ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 01:23:51 AM
http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/ (http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/)
(http://www.thestar.ie/star/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/aidan-620x330.jpg)
BROTHERS IN BATTLE
NO-ONE can say definitively — but it's almost certain that two sets of brothers have never faced off in a midfield battle on the senior inter-county stage.
Not until this weekend, when we'll see Tyrone's Cavanagh brothers — Sean and Colm — go head-to-head with Mayo's O'Shea's — Seamus and Aidan.
It's sure to be a titanic tussle, and with Sean Cavanagh and Aidan O'Shea two of the hottest players in the country right now, it could define Sunday's semi-final at Croke Park.
Minor
Sean and Colm Cavanagh have played together on and off at midfield since younger sibling Colm — a 2004 All-Ireland minor winner — became a Tyrone regular five years ago.
Former Mayo midfield star David Brady feels the Breaffy siblings compliment each other perfectly and that Seamus is back boning Aidan's sensational form.
Brady told Star Sport: "Mayo have missed a combination of players that suit each other.
"There's been change around midfield every second or third game. Last year the foundation was laid with Barry and Aidan O'Shea, but unfortunately Barry got injured.
"Seamus perfectly compliments him (Aidan), a lot of it unseen, the way they play with each other.
"They suit each others game and if they don't understand each other as brothers there is no hope for the rest of them."
Other county midfield football brothers include Armagh's Grimley twins — John and Mark — and Carlow's Walsh's — Tomas and Patrick.
What, one brother says to the other "Your hair is beautiful today bruv", and the other says "so is yours bruv"?!
You might expect that a journo, regardless of the rag, would know the difference between compl
iment and compl
ement! >:(
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 01:32:41 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 01:23:51 AM
http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/ (http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/)
(http://www.thestar.ie/star/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/aidan-620x330.jpg)
BROTHERS IN BATTLE
NO-ONE can say definitively — but it's almost certain that two sets of brothers have never faced off in a midfield battle on the senior inter-county stage.
Not until this weekend, when we'll see Tyrone's Cavanagh brothers — Sean and Colm — go head-to-head with Mayo's O'Shea's — Seamus and Aidan.
It's sure to be a titanic tussle, and with Sean Cavanagh and Aidan O'Shea two of the hottest players in the country right now, it could define Sunday's semi-final at Croke Park.
Minor
Sean and Colm Cavanagh have played together on and off at midfield since younger sibling Colm — a 2004 All-Ireland minor winner — became a Tyrone regular five years ago.
Former Mayo midfield star David Brady feels the Breaffy siblings compliment each other perfectly and that Seamus is back boning Aidan's sensational form.
Brady told Star Sport: "Mayo have missed a combination of players that suit each other.
"There's been change around midfield every second or third game. Last year the foundation was laid with Barry and Aidan O'Shea, but unfortunately Barry got injured.
"Seamus perfectly compliments him (Aidan), a lot of it unseen, the way they play with each other.
"They suit each others game and if they don't understand each other as brothers there is no hope for the rest of them."
Other county midfield football brothers include Armagh's Grimley twins — John and Mark — and Carlow's Walsh's — Tomas and Patrick.
What, one brother says to the other "Your hair is beautiful today bruv", and the other says "so is yours bruv"?!
You might expect that a journo, regardless of the rag, would know the difference between compliment and complement! >:(
Red top
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 01:26:43 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 01:22:31 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 01:09:57 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 01:01:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
Yeah, whatever, no point you even worrying about it so.
I have to attend the bleeding thing, I just hope I won't be bored to tears by yet another Harlem Globetrotters exhibition game by Mayo.
Ah right, OK, we'll try to prevent that, honestly. ;)
He is confused, trying to ride our coat tails on this thread and on the Minor championship thread claiming if Roscommon won the minors and Mayo won the Seniors they would somehow take the good out of it. It's as daft as saying if ye won Sam, Monaghan winning the minors would ruin it on ye (and ye haven't had a 62 year wait). I like the Rossies, Syf included, but the desperation is really showing.
The arch enemies arriving in a Roscommon Mayo GAA town like Ballagh with Sam in tow would be a secondary concern to the fine local folk celebrating their own All-Ireland.
Would Mayo have been moved to joy if Galway had marched into Ballyhaunis with Sam in 1998?
The honest truth would both teams would be cheered through the town. With not a sane Rossie claiming that their Mayo majority neighbours achievement was not greater. But away from the dreams Syf, a bit more respect for the other semi-finalists in both comps. Mayo ladies in with a chance of an All-Ireland too this year ;)
Sure these are just Dublin and Mayo's last challenge matches before the AI final. The minor championship, now that might be interesting,
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2013, 10:48:38 PM
Stevie has a score to settle after 2004, when he scored an absolute screamer of a goal in a vain attempt to turn things around against a resolutely defiant Mayo;
That was some goal, I think that brought ye level after we had lead for most of the game. I remember thinking that we had given ye a good game of it but that ye'd go on to win it after that, happily we pushed on instead :)
O'Neill is the one Tyrone player I'd be worried about, he hasn't played really well since the league semi final but if he were to pull out a big performance on Sunday, he could win this for Tyrone. That said, I'd expect Caff & AN Other to have him well marshalled.
Im very surprised that Harte has went for skeet in the ff line as I fully expected him to select mcnabb at 12, joe mcmahon at 15 and having him come out to do his usual role. It looks like a slightly more attacking tyrone line up than expected.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 01:23:51 AM
http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/ (http://www.thestar.ie/star/brothers-in-battle/)
(http://www.thestar.ie/star/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/aidan-620x330.jpg)
BROTHERS IN BATTLE
NO-ONE can say definitively — but it's almost certain that two sets of brothers have never faced off in a midfield battle on the senior inter-county stage.
Not until this weekend, when we'll see Tyrone's Cavanagh brothers — Sean and Colm — go head-to-head with Mayo's O'Shea's — Seamus and Aidan.
It's sure to be a titanic tussle, and with Sean Cavanagh and Aidan O'Shea two of the hottest players in the country right now, it could define Sunday's semi-final at Croke Park.
Minor
Sean and Colm Cavanagh have played together on and off at midfield since younger sibling Colm — a 2004 All-Ireland minor winner — became a Tyrone regular five years ago.
Former Mayo midfield star David Brady feels the Breaffy siblings compliment each other perfectly and that Seamus is back boning Aidan's sensational form.
Brady told Star Sport: "Mayo have missed a combination of players that suit each other.
"There's been change around midfield every second or third game. Last year the foundation was laid with Barry and Aidan O'Shea, but unfortunately Barry got injured.
"Seamus perfectly compliments him (Aidan), a lot of it unseen, the way they play with each other.
"They suit each others game and if they don't understand each other as brothers there is no hope for the rest of them."
Other county midfield football brothers include Armagh's Grimley twins — John and Mark — and Carlow's Walsh's — Tomas and Patrick.
Jesus backboning really needs to be written as a single word!
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2013, 11:25:06 PM
Was Anthony finnerty the worst player ever to play in an all Ireland final?
He wasnt even the worst Mayo man to play in that final!
Larry scored a goal in an all-ireland final, not many men can say that
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:01:09 AM
Former Tyrone player Ryan McMenamin reckons the county have it in them to upset Mayo in Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final at Croke Park.
While agreeing that the Connacht champions are favourites to advance to the decider on 22 September, McMenamin feels that Tyrone's journey through the back-door route will benefit them.
He told RTÉ Sport: "Mickey Harte has freshened up the team this year. A lot of the players involved were on the periphery of the squad. They have now got their chance and nothing beats competitive games.
"Throughout the summer the side have won tight matches and I have no doubt they have taken great heart from that. The character and the resolve in the present Tyrone squad is there to see.
"At the start of the year many fans would have been happy with getting to an All-Ireland quarter-final, but the fact that we got to a league decider and could have won it and are now in the last four is testament to the work being put in."
Like all onlookers, McMenamin has been impressed by Mayo, but is confident the Tyrone management will have a plan in place to curb their effectiveness.
He explained: "Mayo have been great to watch all year. Yet sometimes when you win well, the weaknesses in the side tend to be overlooked.
"I'm sure Mickey will have analysed the videos and highlighted any chinks. If Tyrone can slow the game down and play it on their terms it will be interesting to see how it all impacts on the supply of ball to the Mayo forwards.
"Everyone is saying our lads will be no match for them, yet as many people were doubting us after we lost to Donegal.
"Tyrone may not have the flair players that were around four or five years ago, but they are still in this Championship and there is enough talent in this present squad to suggest they can live with Mayo.
"In the years we won All-Irelands a few top-notch performances have been delivered. I'm confident of another one on Sunday."
As to whether McMenamin would put money on Tyrone, he replied: "Of course I would. I've heard odds of 9/1 and that's a great price."
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0822/469805-mcmenamin-tyrone-can-be-a-match-for-mayo/
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He would say that, wouldn't he?
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
Mickey has been taking oneill out to the 45 but it has tended to be later on in games to get him more into games. Particularly the Donegal game. Last day out he done it in response to penroses red card. Funny enough he took Stevie off against Monaghan just when he seemed to become more effective in the role. I think for Mayo game he will play 3up to keep them committed at the back. Bring them on and strip the ball. I would say the tackling drills have been fiercely stepped up in the last three weeks.
Tyrone are lacking an out and out creator at 11. When SON has been pulled out in games he has been brilliant in that role as he has great vision and is good at winning his own ball. The days of a full forward being one on one with his man and getting big scores have passed us and I think SON at 11 would be a great move, imagient he ball he would provide for McAliskey amd McCurry. As you mentioned, I found it strange that SON went off against Monaghan jsut after having a great ten minutes at 11. Coney and Ronan O'Neill could have big roles this weekend. As for Aidan O'Shea marking Cavanagh, if it did happen O'Shea would get an almighty roasting.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2013, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
Mickey has been taking oneill out to the 45 but it has tended to be later on in games to get him more into games. Particularly the Donegal game. Last day out he done it in response to penroses red card. Funny enough he took Stevie off against Monaghan just when he seemed to become more effective in the role. I think for Mayo game he will play 3up to keep them committed at the back. Bring them on and strip the ball. I would say the tackling drills have been fiercely stepped up in the last three weeks.
Tyrone are lacking an out and out creator at 11. When SON has been pulled out in games he has been brilliant in that role as he has great vision and is good at winning his own ball. The days of a full forward being one on one with his man and getting big scores have passed us and I think SON at 11 would be a great move, imagient he ball he would provide for McAliskey amd McCurry. As you mentioned, I found it strange that SON went off against Monaghan jsut after having a great ten minutes at 11. Coney and Ronan O'Neill could have big roles this weekend. As for Aidan O'Shea marking Cavanagh, if it did happen O'Shea would get an almighty roasting.
Cavanagh won't be marking Aiden for precisely the opposite reason. Sean is the best in the land at what he does, but he doesn't play as an orthodox midfielder. If he is left to pick up Aiden, the Breaffy man will run riot.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 12:24:31 AM
Question How many All Ireland Semi Finals has Mickey Harte lost ?
Cork.
I think that answer sums you up O'Neill
Just wondering what would be an acceptable result from a Tyrone view. 6 pts or less defeat and still in with a chance with 15 mins to go? Big performances from a couple of lesser lights? Some indication that nucleus of a competitive team is emerging? Or just avoiding a hammering?
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 23, 2013, 10:01:41 AM
Just wondering what would be an acceptable result from a Tyrone view. 6 pts or less defeat and still in with a chance with 15 mins to go? Big performances from a couple of lesser lights? Some indication that nucleus of a competitive team is emerging? Or just avoiding a hammering?
I'd like for us to keep the game competitive for the first while, let Mayo think they're in with a chance and then in the last quarter just say f%$k it, and run out 6 point winners. Anything less will be a disappointment TBH.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 23, 2013, 10:01:41 AM
Just wondering what would be an acceptable result from a Tyrone view. 6 pts or less defeat and still in with a chance with 15 mins to go? Big performances from a couple of lesser lights? Some indication that nucleus of a competitive team is emerging? Or just avoiding a hammering?
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
If Mayo prove to be the next great team and win by 10+ points I will happily hold my hands up, congratulate them on having a great team and enjoy watching them in the All Ireland final. At this moment in time however, I don't think they have done enough to be talked about in the hyperbole way they have been. Sunday may be the day that they silence a few more doubters but I think ultimately everyone wont be convinced until ye have Sam in Castlebar - then you can boast all ye like.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 23, 2013, 10:01:41 AM
Just wondering what would be an acceptable result from a Tyrone view. 6 pts or less defeat and still in with a chance with 15 mins to go? Big performances from a couple of lesser lights? Some indication that nucleus of a competitive team is emerging? Or just avoiding a hammering?
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games. If Mayo prove to be the next great team and win by 10+ points I will happily hold my hands up, congratulate them on having a great team and enjoy watching them in the All Ireland final. At this moment in time however, I don't think they have done enough to be talked about in the hyperbole way they have been. Sunday may be the day that they silence a few more doubters but I think ultimately everyone wont be convinced until ye have Sam in Castlebar - then you can boast all ye like.
Benny
Mayo are ruthless this year. Some Galway player revealed in an interview that Galway have a fuball tradition and according to someone on here it ended up as a motivational tool for the players.
There will be no mental weakness against Tyrone who are just not good enough this year. I wouldn't be surprised to have the match over by half time.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 23, 2013, 10:01:41 AM
Just wondering what would be an acceptable result from a Tyrone view. 6 pts or less defeat and still in with a chance with 15 mins to go? Big performances from a couple of lesser lights? Some indication that nucleus of a competitive team is emerging? Or just avoiding a hammering?
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
If Mayo prove to be the next great team and win by 10+ points I will happily hold my hands up, congratulate them on having a great team and enjoy watching them in the All Ireland final. At this moment in time however, I don't think they have done enough to be talked about in the hyperbole way they have been. Sunday may be the day that they silence a few more doubters but I think ultimately everyone wont be convinced until ye have Sam in Castlebar - then you can boast all ye like.
Agreed.
But each team's own supporters will always back their own, with the odd exception. Tyrone supporters will rightfully argue their right to be credible All-Ireland contenders and if Mayo supporters are pessimistic, after the year to date, then they are in need of help.
Best of luck to both teams on Sunday - Hopefully it will be a good game though semi finals rarely are. Think Mayo will do it myself
Quote from: Mayo Mick link=tthic=23553.msg1269130#msg1269130 date=1377248501
Just wondering what would be an acceptable result from a Tyrone view. 6 pts or less defeat and still in with a chance with 15 mins to go? Big performances from a couple of lesser lights? Some indication that nucleus of a competitive team is emerging? Or just avoiding a hammering?
I am going to pull a Larryin89 on this. Mayo have been talked up and up and up since their QF, however, words are wind. They will be meeting a Tyrone team coming under the radar with a major axe to grind. We have been ticking along just doing enough and I believe that the Cavanagh furore will ignite our season. Expect Tyrone to launch into Mayo like the pack of savages we are. The first quarter is key. Get a few early points and keep the men from the Whest quiet and we'll soon see how Mayo sphincters stand up to a thorough investigation.
Honestly think the odds for this game are crazy. Never give up hope.
Tyrone 1-13 Mayo 1-11
Come on Tyrone!
Both Counties talk a good game anyway. 108 pages. Wtf
There has never really been a team in the GAA in my lifetime that were miles ahead of the rest of the pack with the result being a foregone conclusion. Mayo could well win this game but I find the talk of the 'game being over at half time' and Mayo winning by 15 points to be crazy. Mayo are a good side but they are no better than anything that I have seen over the past 20 years (and have yet to prove if they are really that good). All Ireland semi finals are usally competitive games and for the life of me I just can't understand how everyone reckons Mayo have suddenly become an unstoppable force a la Kilkenny 2008.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
And you accuse Emmett Ryan of lazy analysis, when have Mayo doubts surfaced previously?
Why dont you say we choke in finals or we have no forwards ::)
Quote from: BennyHarp on Today at 10:11:21 AM
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
And you accuse Emmett Ryan of lazy analysis, when have Mayo doubts surfaced previously?
What dont you say we choke in finals or we have no forwards
Strangle enough I think you just answered your own question
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
There has never really been a team in the GAA in my lifetime that were miles ahead of the rest of the pack with the result being a foregone conclusion. Mayo could well win this game but I find the talk of the 'game being over at half time' and Mayo winning by 15 points to be crazy. Mayo are a good side but they are no better than anything that I have seen over the past 20 years (and have yet to prove if they are really that good). All Ireland semi finals are usally competitive games and for the life of me I just can't understand how everyone reckons Mayo have suddenly become an unstoppable force a la Kilkenny 2008.
Donegal Last year
Kerry 2009/2007/2006/2004
The only person who's saying it will be over at leath ama is hardstation.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 23, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
And you accuse Emmett Ryan of lazy analysis, when have Mayo doubts surfaced previously?
What dont you say we choke in finals or we have no forwards ::)
The fact is that in every senior and minor championship since 1985, when they last won the minor all ireland title, Mayo's arses have fallen out of their challenge at some point, be that in Connaught, AI Semi or final. (In that time Tyrone have won 5 minor AI and 3 Senior - which I would argue creates a tradition of winning big games) Now you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis. (Plus I'm not selling book about my analysis which is why I was so critical - just like you may be on Martin Breheny!) I will reiterate (and I'm sure Mayo could hardly care less) that I will quite happily admit Mayo are a class team if they hammer Tyrone and go on to lift Sam. All I'm saying is hold your horses, boast when you win something and people like me all over the country will just have to suck it up! I'll be honest - ill be delighted or ye if you do!
The first sphincters to be tested will be in the first 15 minutes.
It is a long way until testing sphincters in the last 15 minutes. The game will have taken on a life of its own by then with the usual twists and turns.
Quote from: Declan on August 23, 2013, 10:24:39 AM
Best of luck to both teams on Sunday - Hopefully it will be a good game though Football semi finals rarely are. Think Mayo will do it myself
Fixed that for you there Declan ;D
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 23, 2013, 10:01:41 AM
Just wondering what would be an acceptable result from a Tyrone view. 6 pts or less defeat and still in with a chance with 15 mins to go? Big performances from a couple of lesser lights? Some indication that nucleus of a competitive team is emerging? Or just avoiding a hammering?
You're right Mick. It has to be Mayo ................... doesn't it? ;)
Well it's time for my predications on how I think the match will play out on Sunday (for what it's worth).
Tyrone short quick kicks will come under huge pressure. If Mayo get a goal scoring opportunity I wouldn't be surprised if its comes from a botched short kick out. So Tyrone will be forced to kick out long for most of the match.
Midfield will be a huge battle and while allot has been posted by our O'Shea brothers (and they've been fantastic), they're not going to get it all there own way on Sunday. Tyrone in this area were massively impressive in the league final against Dublin as they've been all throughout this championship. I expect that Mayo will get allot less attacking ball from this area, as will Tyrone (may I add)! With stalemate at centre field, it's going to be interesting to see which teams other attacking option work best. IMO Mayo have more attack options and can attack from more areasin the field, so I'm hoping to see some great point taking and lots of them.
This will go against allot of my fellow Mayo opinions, but I'm expecting no goals from Mayo!!! I don't see Tyrone leaving gaps near there full backline for Mayo to run in goals as other teams did.
Not allot has been mentioned about Mayo defence (probably because most of them have been too busy attacking ;D), in any case, I think they have been outstanding. Really top drawn performance from them all. This will be needed again. I also expect because Tyrone will have less scoring opportunities, and will therefore target getting goals, so there going to be loads of nervous moments for us in Mayo.
Score: Mayo 0:17pts / Tyrone 2:08
What's people's thinking of Mickey bringing back in McKenna for Carlin?
Would he be faster than Carlin? Carlin seemed to slip at crucial points when turning in some games he played I noticed.
I thought I would say more Mayo flags around Dublin this week as a lot live here but have hardly seen any.
QuoteNow you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis.
Benny, go and listen to Horan's interview.
Mayo are sick and tired of this yearly tripe that comes out.
We lost match's previously because the opposition was better than us. No other reason.
Quote from: Declan on August 23, 2013, 10:24:39 AM
Best of luck to both teams on Sunday - Hopefully it will be a good game though semi finals rarely are. Think Mayo will do it myself
Both semis were GotY contenders last year and they have quite a good hit rate. Strange thing to say.
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
There has never really been a team in the GAA in my lifetime that were miles ahead of the rest of the pack with the result being a foregone conclusion. Mayo could well win this game but I find the talk of the 'game being over at half time' and Mayo winning by 15 points to be crazy. Mayo are a good side but they are no better than anything that I have seen over the past 20 years (and have yet to prove if they are really that good). All Ireland semi finals are usally competitive games and for the life of me I just can't understand how everyone reckons Mayo have suddenly become an unstoppable force a la Kilkenny 2008.
Donegal Last year
Kerry 2009/2007/2006/2004
Donegal were making a good case for it but this year they have blown up. The games last year against Cork, Tyrone and Kerry were far from foregone conclusions either. The Kerry team you mentioned was not miles ahead of anybody else.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 23, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
And you accuse Emmett Ryan of lazy analysis, when have Mayo doubts surfaced previously?
What dont you say we choke in finals or we have no forwards ::)
The fact is that in every senior and minor championship since 1985, when they last won the minor all ireland title, Mayo's arses have fallen out of their challenge at some point, be that in Connaught, AI Semi or final. (In that time Tyrone have won 5 minor AI and 3 Senior - which I would argue creates a tradition of winning big games) Now you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis. (Plus I'm not selling book about my analysis which is why I was so critical - just like you may be on Martin Breheny!) I will reiterate (and I'm sure Mayo could hardly care less) that I will quite happily admit Mayo are a class team if they hammer Tyrone and go on to lift Sam. All I'm saying is hold your horses, boast when you win something and people like me all over the country will just have to suck it up! I'll be honest - ill be delighted or ye if you do!
Exactly what highorlow just said, we've lost AIFs in the past because we werent good enough, I dont think we've choked or have any lack of confidence
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
QuoteNow you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis.
Benny, go and listen to Horan's interview.
Mayo are sick and tired of this yearly tripe that comes out.
We lost match's previously because the opposition was better than us. No other reason.
Unfortunately until you win the big one, this will be rolled out year on year. It can be put to bed once that happens (And I think it will this year!) But it's fair comment. Mayo played well below their previous level in last years final. Surely you can understand why some people will put that down to choking/ pressure etc.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2013, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
QuoteNow you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis.
Benny, go and listen to Horan's interview.
Mayo are sick and tired of this yearly tripe that comes out.
We lost match's previously because the opposition was better than us. No other reason.
Unfortunately until you win the big one, this will be rolled out year on year. It can be put to bed once that happens (And I think it will this year!) But it's fair comment. Mayo played well below their previous level in last years final. Surely you can understand why some people will put that down to choking/ pressure etc.
They conceded a sucker punch goal but there was very little difference in the level they played at in the final and SF.
Only hope Tyrone have is that some of our better players get injured and ye might be getting a head start in that regard according to a massive rumour doing the rounds.
It started off by , he didn't train last week, then it was he's grand and now it's , no way will he start.
Anyone else hearing this stuff?
Quote from: NAG1 on August 23, 2013, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: Declan on August 23, 2013, 10:24:39 AM
Best of luck to both teams on Sunday - Hopefully it will be a good game though Football semi finals rarely are. Think Mayo will do it myself
Fixed that for you there Declan ;D
On the contrary, football semi finals are often the best games of the year, both of last years games were excellent, Down/Kildare and Cork/Dublin were brilliant in 2010 as well.
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
QuoteNow you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis.
Benny, go and listen to Horan's interview.
Mayo are sick and tired of this yearly tripe that comes out.
We lost match's previously because the opposition was better than us. No other reason.
Fair enough, and talk is cheap on both sides but the only way to stop this tripe is to go win the all Ireland. And until then hold your horses, ye aren't a great team yet!
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
Only hope Tyrone have is that some of our better players get injured and ye might be getting a head start in that regard according to a massive rumour doing the rounds.
It started off by , he didn't train last week, then it was he's grand and now it's , no way will he start.
Anyone else hearing this stuff?
If ye are so great you will win without him - no excuses now lads!!
Andy made an interesting point yesterday, he said the intensity and speed of last years semi final v Dublin was a lot better than what we did v Donegal in QF this year.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
Only hope Tyrone have is that some of our better players get injured and ye might be getting a head start in that regard according to a massive rumour doing the rounds.
It started off by , he didn't train last week, then it was he's grand and now it's , no way will he start.
Anyone else hearing this stuff?
oh yes the rumours have started.....a little earlier than most years -FACT:AoS took his place in a full bloodied A v B game in Enfield last w/end ....where do these things start???
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
QuoteNow you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis.
Benny, go and listen to Horan's interview.
Mayo are sick and tired of this yearly tripe that comes out.
We lost match's previously because the opposition was better than us. No other reason.
I agree highorlow, Mayo performed all of last year and have done so again this year. When they have lost over the years they have been beaten by better teams though perhaps they could have dug the heels in more and prevented some of the clippings they got. However, this team has always performed and I expect them to do so again this Sunday. That's not to say they won't lose, any team can lose a 2 horse race, but I don't think they'll completely under perform.
In saying that I don't quite understand the confidence of some Mayo supporters, Tyrone will also perform and I think they'll have a good tactical plan to curb Mayo's main players. I think they'll definitely shackle some of Mayo's better players so a Mayo win might be dependent on some other players stepping up to the plate. I think it is fair to still have questions about Mayo but I'm not sure Tyrone have the wherewithal to really ask them. I expect a close game with Mayo edging it by 2 - 3 points and I certainly can't see a hammering dished out by either team.
Anyone know this McCann fella who wrote this? Serious go at Mickey Harte here :o
http://www.hotpress.com/politics/McCann-On-Mickey-Harte/10092662.html?new_layout=1&page_no=1&show_comments=1
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
LOGIE SPEAKS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxv4PI0Me_A
.....and they cut him aff.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on Today at 10:11:21 AM
If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
And you accuse Emmett Ryan of lazy analysis, when have Mayo doubts surfaced previously?
What dont you say we choke in finals or we have no forwards
Strangle enough I think you just answered your own question
Ahem... I think we're talking about
semi-finals here, aren't we?
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« Reply #1645 on: Today at 12:42:20 PM »QuoteAnyone know this McCann fella who wrote this? Serious go at Mickey Harte here
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McCann is an extreme left wing activist from Derry very active during the Civil Rights Era when he was one of a few who highjacked the cause of civil rights in Northern Ireland. An abominable creature in his own right and nasty to boot. Everyone who has a view contrary to his own will not be tolerated.
He wouldn't know if a ball was blown up or stuffed.
hypothetical situation here......if Mayo lose on sunday, and never go on to win sam, would they go down as one of, if not the, best team never to have won the all-ireland?
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
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hypothetical situation here......if Mayo lose on sunday, and never go on to win sam, would they go down as one of, if not the, best team never to have won the all-ireland?
Hypothetically No it would just prove that they were not as good as they appeared to look while winning big against poor opposition.
On the other hand if the continue on and win the next two games by 10+ points they may go down as one of the greatest teams to win an All-Ireland hypthetically.
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
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hypothetical situation here......if Mayo lose on sunday, and never go on to win sam, would they go down as one of, if not the, best team never to have won the all-ireland?
Hypothetically No it would just prove that they were not as good as they appeared to look while winning big against poor opposition.
On the other hand if the continue on and win the next two games by 10+ points they may go down as one of the greatest teams to win an All-Ireland hypthetically.
What if Tyrone lose on Sunday? What are the hypothetical scenarios for them?
Lads...we're forgetting the real issue here for Mayo....will Feericks run out of clean cutlery by 9am or 9.30am?
Quote from: ballinaman on August 23, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Lads...we're forgetting the real issue here for Mayo....will Feericks run out of clean cutlery by 9am or 9.30am?
Or will Syferus have his " Ross for Sam 2014" placard out for the passing traffic ?
Quote from: ballinaman on August 23, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Lads...we're forgetting the real issue here for Mayo....will Feericks run out of clean cutlery by 9am or 9.30am?
Fork off
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« Reply #1649 on: Today at 01:14:03 PM »
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hypothetical situation here......if Mayo lose on sunday, and never go on to win sam, would they go down as one of, if not the, best team never to have won the all-ireland?
Hypothetically No it would just prove that they were not as good as they appeared to look while winning big against poor opposition.
On the other hand if the continue on and win the next two games by 10+ points they may go down as one of the greatest teams to win an All-Ireland hypthetically.
What if Tyrone lose on Sunday? What are the hypothetical scenarios for them?
Not at the top table anymore.
Out of their depth
Not one of the big guns
And it would be hard to argue against it, depending on the matter of defeat.
111 pages for an AI Semi. Impressive.
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Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« Reply #1649 on: Today at 01:14:03 PM »
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hypothetical situation here......if Mayo lose on sunday, and never go on to win sam, would they go down as one of, if not the, best team never to have won the all-ireland?
Hypothetically No it would just prove that they were not as good as they appeared to look while winning big against poor opposition.
On the other hand if the continue on and win the next two games by 10+ points they may go down as one of the greatest teams to win an All-Ireland hypthetically.
What if Tyrone lose on Sunday? What are the hypothetical scenarios for them?
Not at the top table anymore.
Out of their depth
Not one of the big guns
And it would be hard to argue against it, depending on the matter of defeat.
If Hawkeye is set to sliotar size they might get a replay...
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on August 23, 2013, 01:54:00 PM
111 pages for an AI Semi. Impressive.
If there is anything controversial during the game expect this thread to break the 200 mark, it might do it anyway!
QuoteIn saying that I don't quite understand the confidence of some Mayo supporters, Tyrone will also perform and I think they'll have a good tactical plan to curb Mayo's main players
I don't get it either and find it unwholesome. Mayo Mick is certainly over confidant this time also.
I felt Connacht this year went as I predicted. Donegal were not the team they were so Sunday is going to be different.
Take any Mayo surprise element out of the equation and Tyrone having a brilliant day then anything can happen.
With Tyrone's new goalie and McCarron and McCurry playing to form things will be tighter than people may think.
The stats over the last 6 meetings tell a tale.
2013: Mayo 1-11 Tyrone 1-12 (Div I)
2010: Tyrone 1-11 Mayo 1-12 (Div I)
2009: Mayo 1-11 Tyrone 0-14 (Div I)
2008: Mayo 1-9 Tyrone 0-13 (Qualifiers)
2008: Tyrone 0-15 Mayo 0-13 (Div I)
2007: Tyrone 1-11 Mayo 4-7 (Div I)
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111 pages for an AI Semi. Impressive.
If there is anything controversial during the game expect this thread to break the 200 mark, it might do it anyway!
The Tyrone lads have a ferocious workrate but they don't score many points.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 23, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Lads...we're forgetting the real issue here for Mayo....will Feericks run out of clean cutlery by 9am or 9.30am?
I'll bring extra sandwiches with me in case! ;D
The Tyrone lads have a ferocious workrate but they don't score many points.
They don't concede many either
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 23, 2013, 02:33:42 PM
The Tyrone lads have a ferocious workrate but they don't score many points.
They don't concede many either
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Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2013, 02:17:11 PM
QuoteIn saying that I don't quite understand the confidence of some Mayo supporters, Tyrone will also perform and I think they'll have a good tactical plan to curb Mayo's main players
I don't get it either and find it unwholesome. Mayo Mick is certainly over confidant this time also.
I felt Connacht this year went as I predicted. Donegal were not the team they were so Sunday is going to be different.
Take any Mayo surprise element out of the equation and Tyrone having a brilliant day then anything can happen.
With Tyrone's new goalie and McCarron and McCurry playing to form things will be tighter than people may think.
The stats over the last 6 meetings tell a tale.
2013: Mayo 1-11 Tyrone 1-12 (Div I)
2010: Tyrone 1-11 Mayo 1-12 (Div I)
2009: Mayo 1-11 Tyrone 0-14 (Div I)
2008: Mayo 1-9 Tyrone 0-13 (Qualifiers)
2008: Tyrone 0-15 Mayo 0-13 (Div I)
2007: Tyrone 1-11 Mayo 4-7 (Div I)
Was there an easy way to get those scores?
gaainfo.com was a handy way of doing it but it's gone now.
Maybe this was mentioned in here earlier but what reason was given for Conor Gormley getting off his ban?
Which team would Kerry rather have a go at in the final I wonder? I'd say Mayo would rather Dublin.
Just going to dump this in here.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=199170
I'm sure there's a pun or two involved with this story. First person to link fowl and foul into a post gets 10 Gaaboard points. Very fitting to anounce this before we play Mayo......
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 23, 2013, 03:10:35 PM
Maybe this was mentioned in here earlier but what reason was given for Conor Gormley getting off his ban?
Which team would Kerry rather have a go at in the final I wonder? I'd say Mayo would rather Dublin.
I would take Kerry all day every day
I am scared shitless of this Dublin team, their pace, strength, depth, they have it all
200th game for Mickey?? Ye were keeping that quiet
Ye know us Tyrone wans. Like yerselves we like a low key build up in case we get basting.
QuoteWas there an easy way to get those scores?
gaainfo.com was a handy way of doing it but it's gone now.
No, I happened upon a preview of the league match and plucked them from there and added in the league game result. Time for someone to come up with an app alright.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 23, 2013, 03:20:05 PM
200th game for Mickey?? Ye were keeping that quiet
QuoteTotal: P 199, Won 134, D 15, L 50
Championship: P 66, W 45, D7, L 14
League: P 85, W 49, D 7, L 29
McKenna Cup: P 48, W 40, D 1, L 7
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2013, 02:17:11 PM
The stats over the last 6 meetings tell a tale.
2013: Mayo 1-11 Tyrone 1-12 (Div I)
2010: Tyrone 1-11 Mayo 1-12 (Div I)
2009: Mayo 1-11 Tyrone 0-14 (Div I)
2008: Mayo 1-9 Tyrone 0-13 (Qualifiers)
2008: Tyrone 0-15 Mayo 0-13 (Div I)
2007: Tyrone 1-11 Mayo 4-7 (Div I)
Mayo by 2 on aggregate :)
That game in 2008 was one we could easily have won.
I remember watching the league game in 2009, AO'S was just out of minors and playing FF, he took a great ball into the chest, turned, shrugged off Gormley like he wasn't even there and buried it.
Higgins at 18/1 for MOTM looks like a decent bet to me, if he plays a free role between the backs and forwards he'll be on lots of ball and should chip in a point or two.
If you fancy Tyrone though, Cavanagh @ 10/1 or SO'N @ 18/1 for MOTM are good value.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 23, 2013, 03:10:35 PM
Maybe this was mentioned in here earlier but what reason was given for Conor Gormley getting off his ban?
Which team would Kerry rather have a go at in the final I wonder? I'd say Mayo would rather Dublin.
Conor reckoned Dessie was a bit of a chicken for feigning injury - Tyrone cried "fowl" and Dessie got one of Conor's fouls.
Conor and Tyrone have been roasted ever since but Tyrone hope to take the giblets out of Mayo's Hyde on Sunday. Hwoever according to some, this could be a stuffing match as Mayo are different gravy and Tyrone are a flock of turkeys who could get minced.
What was the last match Mayo played against a very defensive formation?
If they don't get the freedom to shoot inside the 40 will they be able to keep their heads and shout from further out?
I've a feeling there are going to be a lot of frustrated punters at half time and TSG panel will be saying its a horrible game to watch. Mickey has brought Stevie out around the middle a few times this year and I'd say he could do the same from the start this time. If Mayo leave McAliskey or McCurry one on one they could get punished.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
Only hope Tyrone have is that some of our better players get injured and ye might be getting a head start in that regard according to a massive rumour doing the rounds.
It started off by , he didn't train last week, then it was he's grand and now it's , no way will he start.
Anyone else hearing this stuff?
oh yes the rumours have started.....a little earlier than most years -FACT:AoS took his place in a full bloodied A v B game in Enfield last w/end ....where do these things start???
Drove past that on Sunday. Those two way radios are certainly more noticeable than the GPS bras.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 23, 2013, 03:38:22 PM
If Mayo leave McAliskey or McCurry one on one they could get punished.
I'd be hopeful that none of the Tyrone forwards will be left one on one in front of goal - with at least a couple of Tyrone forwards funnelling players back, we should def have a free man to play in front of the FB line
cant see past a mayo win.
playing better at the moment.
Tyrone are the GAA villans at the present time so ref wont do them too many favours.
will the ref pull up mayo on their cynical fouling (not as highlighted as much this season as the red erses), will the ref penalise players for charging or taking too many steps with the ball - imo some tyrone players but most mayo players v guilty of both this season so far).
Harte might try to set tactical traps for mayo, but with the GAA top brass not wanting these tyrone bad boys to progress, I cant see them winning - just dont think they have the team for it yet. close but not close enough.
GAA and media want a mayo v dublin final and it looks like the GAA hq would prefer a mayo win (god knows they deserve it after all the years of heartbreak) - as they would reckon this young dublin team will be winning sam next year!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 23, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
cant see past a mayo win.
playing better at the moment.
Tyrone are the GAA villans at the present time so ref wont do them too many favours.
will the ref pull up mayo on their cynical fouling (not as highlighted as much this season as the red erses), will the ref penalise players for charging or taking too many steps with the ball - imo some tyrone players but most mayo players v guilty of both this season so far).
Harte might try to set tactical traps for mayo, but with the GAA top brass not wanting these tyrone bad boys to progress, I cant see them winning - just dont think they have the team for it yet. close but not close enough.
GAA and media want a mayo v dublin final and it looks like the GAA hq would prefer a mayo win (god knows they deserve it after all the years of heartbreak) - as they would reckon this young dublin team will be winning sam next year!
So it's a conspiracy ?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 23, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
cant see past a mayo win.
playing better at the moment.
Tyrone are the GAA villans at the present time so ref wont do them too many favours.
will the ref pull up mayo on their cynical fouling (not as highlighted as much this season as the red erses), will the ref penalise players for charging or taking too many steps with the ball - imo some tyrone players but most mayo players v guilty of both this season so far).
Harte might try to set tactical traps for mayo, but with the GAA top brass not wanting these tyrone bad boys to progress, I cant see them winning - just dont think they have the team for it yet. close but not close enough.
GAA and media want a mayo v dublin final and it looks like the GAA hq would prefer a mayo win (god knows they deserve it after all the years of heartbreak) - as they would reckon this young dublin team will be winning sam next year!
Personally I didn't think Deegan was swayed by Brolly ridiculous attempt to sway the ref against us in his All Ireland preview last year so I would be very surprised if he pays any attention to the Brolly rubbish about Mickey Harte/Sean Cavanagh for this game. He is a decent ref I think.
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If Tyrone are in with a chance with 15mins to go, they will win the game. It will have meant that this great Mayo team were not the free flowing attacking machine that they have been made out to be as Tyrone had matched them for 55mins. Mayo doubts will resurface and Tyrone are masters at closing out the big games.
And you accuse Emmett Ryan of lazy analysis, when have Mayo doubts surfaced previously?
What dont you say we choke in finals or we have no forwards ::)
The fact is that in every senior and minor championship since 1985, when they last won the minor all ireland title, Mayo's arses have fallen out of their challenge at some point, be that in Connaught, AI Semi or final. (In that time Tyrone have won 5 minor AI and 3 Senior - which I would argue creates a tradition of winning big games) Now you can argue that they have won big games and I agree, yes they have, but they have never followed this up. I believe that this history plays on the mind of players and perhaps played a part in the nightmare finals v Kerry a few years ago. What I am saying, and if you read the rest of my post you'd probably have worked it out, is that this team have yet to prove they have greater mental fortitude than their predecessors - remember, this team lost the AI final last year! I think that that gives me enough evidence to back up my point, and it's not lazy analysis. (Plus I'm not selling book about my analysis which is why I was so critical - just like you may be on Martin Breheny!) I will reiterate (and I'm sure Mayo could hardly care less) that I will quite happily admit Mayo are a class team if they hammer Tyrone and go on to lift Sam. All I'm saying is hold your horses, boast when you win something and people like me all over the country will just have to suck it up! I'll be honest - ill be delighted or ye if you do!
Exactly what highorlow just said, we've lost AIFs in the past because we werent good enough, I dont think we've choked or have any lack of confidence
Do you genuinely think that having a tradition of winning All Ireland's plays no baring on a teams mindset? Why are Kerry always potential winners? Do they always had the best players? They are bought up to believe they are the best, their teams goes out and proves it and the cycle continues. If say, when Tyrone sat in the dressing room in the Marshes after Down beat them in the first round of the 2008 Ulster Championship and Mickey said, right lads, forget that, we're focusing on winning the All Ireland - do you genuinely believe that having won 2 all Ireland previously had no baring on that bunch of players having the belief to gone and do exactly that?
So the question I'm posing is, is this Mayo team good enough to break down all those stereotypes, to put 60 odd years of defeat behind them and believe they are good enough to lift Sam? All I'm saying is that I'm not 100% sure they are as it takes a very special team to make that break through and what they have done so far does not provide enough evidence to suggest they are any different from teams in years gone by. I just dont see the pedigree in this Mayo team to warrant the hype. The only All Ireland's to show for this bunch of players is one U21 championship in 2006, this is not exactly the stuff that generates huge optimism in my mind. Tyrone were winning All Ireland's for fun at underage by the time they made the big break through in 2003. That engendered a winning mentality and having beaten Kerry along the way in a few of those removed the mystic they create. So that's why I am a bit uneasy about proclaiming this team as the greatest before they actually prove it and why I'm quietly confident Tyrone will not be the canon fodder that Larryin89 and the lads think they will be.
And by the way - it won't bother me if they do live up to the hype, as I love to see great new teams come to the fore and their battles with Dublin over the next 3/4 years could be on a par with the Tyrone v Kerry battles on the mid noughties. Who wouldn't want to witness that again?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:26:34 PM
Do you genuinely think that having a tradition of winning All Ireland's plays no baring on a teams mindset? Why are Kerry always potential winners? Do they always had the best players? They are bought up to believe they are the best, their teams goes out and proves it and the cycle continues. If say, when Tyrone sat in the dressing room in the Marshes after Down beat them in the first round of the 2008 Ulster Championship and Mickey said, right lads, forget that, we're focusing on winning the All Ireland - do you genuinely believe that having won 2 all Ireland previously had no baring on that bunch of players having the belief to gone and do exactly that?
Of course having a tradition of winning has a bearing on a team's mindset, what you referred to previously however was the reverse - that Mayo
not having a tradition of winning All Irelands will somehow affect this game. Tyrones recent success (not sure I'd call it a "tradition" a la Kerry / KK yet) will certainly be something they can draw on when the game is tight in the last few minutes but Mayo's lack of success (in All Ireland finals rather than semi finals remember) will not have any impact on them.
Donegal had no recent underage success prior to winning the All Ireland last year and Laois were an underage powerhouse but never even played in a senior All Ireland final so I don't think you can question Mayo's ability to win on that basis. The bottom line for me is that this Mayo team have proved to be mentally strong and will perform on Sunday. Are they good enough to win the All Ireland? I don't know, there are still aspects of their team I'd still question but I don't think they'll fold against anyone and that is all any supporter can ask for. The All Ireland will be hard won from here on in by whichever team wins it.
Quote from: Zulu on August 23, 2013, 04:40:59 PM
Donegal had no recent underage success prior to winning the All Ireland last year and Laois were an underage powerhouse but never even played in a senior All Ireland final so I don't think you can question Mayo's ability to win on that basis. The bottom line for me is that this Mayo team have proved to be mentally strong and will perform on Sunday. Are they good enough to win the All Ireland? I don't know, there are still aspects of their team I'd still question but I don't think they'll fold against anyone and that is all any supporter can ask for. The All Ireland will be hard won from here on in by whichever team wins it.
When have they proven to be mentally strong?
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
They've beaten the past 3 All Ireland champions, they conceded 2 goals in the first few minutes of last years All Ireland yet came back to make a game of it rather than folding their tents as some would have expected and they've hammered all before them so far. Mental toughness isn't only about winning tight games, it's about being able to deliver performances when you have to and this Mayo squad have tended to do that.
Mayo have no control over their betting price so I don't know what that has to do with anything and what is unique about Jim McGuinness, he has won one All Ireland and oversaw the worst hammering a defending champion has suffered in I don't know how many years?
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 23, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
cant see past a mayo win.
playing better at the moment.
Tyrone are the GAA villans at the present time so ref wont do them too many favours.
will the ref pull up mayo on their cynical fouling (not as highlighted as much this season as the red erses), will the ref penalise players for charging or taking too many steps with the ball - imo some tyrone players but most mayo players v guilty of both this season so far).
Harte might try to set tactical traps for mayo, but with the GAA top brass not wanting these tyrone bad boys to progress, I cant see them winning - just dont think they have the team for it yet. close but not close enough.
GAA and media want a mayo v dublin final and it looks like the GAA hq would prefer a mayo win (god knows they deserve it after all the years of heartbreak) - as they would reckon this young dublin team will be winning sam next year!
Personally I didn't think Deegan was swayed by Brolly ridiculous attempt to sway the ref against us in his All Ireland preview last year so I would be very surprised if he pays any attention to the Brolly rubbish about Mickey Harte/Sean Cavanagh for this game. He is a decent ref I think.
Watch the first 6 minutes of last years final.
Donegal man-high challenge-no card.
Mayo man-high challenge-card
The Donegal tackle was arguably much more dangerous and the commentators were shocked at the fact the Mayo player got a card.
It may have had nothing to do with Brolly, but perception becomes reality
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
Quote from: Zulu on August 23, 2013, 04:40:59 PM
Donegal had no recent underage success prior to winning the All Ireland last year and Laois were an underage powerhouse but never even played in a senior All Ireland final so I don't think you can question Mayo's ability to win on that basis. The bottom line for me is that this Mayo team have proved to be mentally strong and will perform on Sunday. Are they good enough to win the All Ireland? I don't know, there are still aspects of their team I'd still question but I don't think they'll fold against anyone and that is all any supporter can ask for. The All Ireland will be hard won from here on in by whichever team wins it.
2006,2010 minor,U-21 Ulster titles is what Donegal won and they would have won the U-21 All Ireland if Murphy didn't miss penalty with the last kick of the game.
K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon, A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy. Subs - S Ryder, K Costello, E Varley.
Above is the 2006 Mayo U-21 team and those in red were good enough to win that All Ireland remains to be seen if they are good enough to win the senior All Ireland.
Quote from: Zulu on August 23, 2013, 04:54:06 PM
what is unique about Jim McGuinness, he has won one All Ireland and oversaw the worst hammering a defending champion has suffered in I don't know how many years?
2001 Kerry. People shouldn't forget before McGuinness took over Donegal they hadn't won Ulster title since 1992 and within two years he won Donegal the All Ireland.
Quote from: Zulu on August 23, 2013, 04:54:06 PM
They've beaten the past 3 All Ireland champions, they conceded 2 goals in the first few minutes of last years All Ireland yet came back to make a game of it rather than folding their tents as some would have expected and they've hammered all before them so far. Mental toughness isn't only about winning tight games, it's about being able to deliver performances when you have to and this Mayo squad have tended to do that.
Mayo have no control over their betting price so I don't know what that has to do with anything and what is unique about Jim McGuinness, he has won one All Ireland and oversaw the worst hammering a defending champion has suffered in I don't know how many years?
I mentioned the betting merely as a reflection of how this Mayo team is perceived and the general consensus of them winning this game easily.
The examples you mentioned are all very good but have they any All Irelands to show for it? So ultimately they haven't achieved! One u21 AI in total since 1985 is not the pedigree of greatness or mental toughness in my mind.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
Ah FFS read back through this thread
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
Just Larryin89,Mayo Mick and Syferus i think.
Making Mayo favourites isn't proclaiming anything other than an expectation that 4 slaughters in a row is better form than back door form.
It won't matter a shite when the ball is thrown in.
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By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
Ah FFS read back through this thread
I've read the entire thread and there are many Mayo folk predicting a win for Mayo - and Tyronies interpreting that as proclaiming the greatness of this team. You might want to read what people actually write rather than what you think they mean when they write something.
Ah ffs there are feck all Mayo supporters proclaiming greatness jesus us Mayo supporters have been down this road to often before however this year this team has been playing extremely well and deserve to be favourites on Sunday not that it matters a damn when the ball is thrown in . Looking forward to the game always admired Micky Harte and the tyrone team for what they have achieved and the banter with the tyrone supporters. Let the best team win and please god it will be Mayo if not sure we will support Tyrone in the Final ;)
We're coming to that serious part now where the sham-fighting ceases and we head into battle.
For me, I'm just hoping we force the tempo and play to our strengths. I worry that Mayo are better than we are at every facet, including swarming, dirty ball winning, ball retention, support play, turnovers - all that has served us well these last 2 months. We'll find out. We've played nowhere near the level they played at against Donegal but that's not saying we can't rise to the level needed to defeat what's in front of us - we have every time.
Nightmare - we're blitzed by the real deal. They are as good as we feared and 2-3 years ahead in terms of development. 0-12 3-16
Optimistic - we throw the sink at them and they possess that soft underbelly they're 'famed' for. 0-15 0-13
Veering towards the former but more wrong than right since 1984.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
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Quote from: AMayoFan on August 23, 2013, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2013, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 23, 2013, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
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So you need four All-Irelands to be considered a great team, then?
Ye Mayo hoors are really twisting the knife on the Tyroniacs now.
You Mayo lads are some craic. You spend all week telling us how great ye are and how the game will be over at half time, asking questions like how much ye will win by and what's the best Tyrone can hope for? You proudly prine yourselves as Oisin McConville, Darragh O'Se, our own Emmet predict walk away victories, then now 2 days before the game you are falling over yourselves to tell us that you aren't a great team after all. Make up your mind fellas, is the pressure getting to ye? If this is the doubting attitude permiating through the green and red then no wonder you struggle to win all Ireland's.
But all joking aside now, I genuinely hope this will be a cracker on Sunday. My thoughts are a bit like O'Neills at this stage, I worry about getting a tanking but I also think we can win out if its a tough close battle. Either way I shall be fully supporting whoever wins this game come all Ireland final day.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 06:13:07 PM
We're coming to that serious part now where the sham-fighting ceases and we head into battle.
For me, I'm just hoping we force the tempo and play to our strengths. I worry that Mayo are better than we are at every facet, including swarming, dirty ball winning, ball retention, support play, turnovers - all that has served us well these last 2 months. We'll find out. We've played nowhere near the level they played at against Donegal but that's not saying we can't rise to the level needed to defeat what's in front of us - we have every time.
Nightmare - we're blitzed by the real deal. They are as good as we feared and 2-3 years ahead in terms of development. 0-12 3-16
Optimistic - we throw the sink at them and they possess that soft underbelly they're 'famed' for. 0-15 0-13
Veering towards the former but more wrong than right since 1984.
Galway don't play championship matches in Tuam any more.
I am concerned about Tyrone's free taking. McCurry is accurate from close range on the left...Stevie may take the ones from further out. Sean will take all from the right side. He scores more than he misses but I think on Sunday, all frees need to sailing over the black spot. McAliskey strikes a lovely dead ball, so hopefully he gets the 45s, though Joe scores the odd toe poke. A few early wides will be like a serious boot in the balls. It'll knock the stuffing out of us.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on August 23, 2013, 08:26:39 PM
I am concerned about Tyrone's free taking. McCurry is accurate from close range on the left...Stevie may take the ones from further out. Sean will take all from the right side. He scores more than he misses but I think on Sunday, all frees need to sailing over the black spot. McAliskey strikes a lovely dead ball, so hopefully he gets the 45s, though Joe scores the odd toe poke. A few early wides will be like a serious boot in the balls. It'll knock the stuffing out of us.
I pray that he does.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2013, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 23, 2013, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
By the way - Donegal weren't 2/7 favourites to beat Tyrone with people talking about the game being over at half time. It's the premature proclamation of greatness of this Mayo team that don't convince me. Also Donegal were the product of a unique manager who had instilled a winning mentality at u21 level - even though they lost by missing a last min pen in the u21 final I'm sure they believed they could have won that game and All Ireland.
Who's proclaiming greatness?? There seems to be an idea on Tryone supporters that if Mayo beat them, then it makes Mayo a "great" team!! Far from it lads. Winning the All Ireland is all that will make this (or any other) team very good - winning 2+ All Irelands is needed to be considered a great team.
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So you need four All-Irelands to be considered a great team, then?
Ye Mayo hoors are really twisting the knife on the Tyroniacs now.
:D ;D
Little more to be said on this game. Time to chill out before Sunday. Have to say I've enjoyed the banter with the Mayo ones here. There's no doubt that Tyrone wanted Mayo more than Dublin or Kerry-too much baggage there. Likewise Mayo wanted Tyrone as the easier path to the final. Hopefully that will make for a rip-roaring game-always a privelage to be able to support your county in a semi-final in Croke Park. May the best team win.
Heading to dublin tomorrow and looking forward to see how it all pans out on Sunday. I think we may just sneak it but if we don't the residual Mayo blood in the vains means I will be supporting them in the final. Outside of Tyrone and Ulster they are the one County I would dearly love to see win the big one of course preferably not at our expense. Safe journeys to everyone travelling down and whatever the outcome enjoy the game and the banter.
Really looking forward to this game, a very intriguing proposition. I think Tyrone may have lost the propaganda war though.
Mayo are a much changed lot from last year. They lost the AI final in the first ten minutes last year. This year they weren't going to let that happen. In the QF against Donegal this year, thirteen of the first fifteen fouls were committed by Mayo, many as cynical (though less obviously so) than the Cavanagh one. No-one in the media has spotted this.
Tyrone need a big start, they won't be afforded the opportunity to get one though. Therefore This year's media darlings will reach the AI final. And, on performances to date, they deserve to.
Championship Matters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHdFWKgtui4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHdFWKgtui4)
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2013, 08:29:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on August 23, 2013, 08:26:39 PM
I am concerned about Tyrone's free taking. McCurry is accurate from close range on the left...Stevie may take the ones from further out. Sean will take all from the right side. He scores more than he misses but I think on Sunday, all frees need to sailing over the black spot. McAliskeyoot) strikesing a lovely dead ball, so hopefully he gets the 45s, though Joe scores the odd toe poke. A few early wides will be like a serious boot in the balls. It'll knock the stuffing out of us.
I pray that he does.
Kinda hoping Sean takes the left hand side frees myself (with his right boot)
Mr Nakata is right. I we hit a few early wides it could be game over, our scoring v wide rates this year have been atrocious. Need to keep the total wide count in single figures to stand a chance. A couple of early points from young McCurry and McAliskey would do their confidence a world of good.
Safe journey to all heading to Dublin this weekend. I am unable to go with a newborn baby in the house, will get it fierce tough on the morning of the big game.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 23, 2013, 11:17:06 PM
Mr Nakata is right. I we hit a few early wides it could be game over, our scoring v wide rates this year have been atrocious. Need to keep the total wide count in single figures to stand a chance. A couple of early points from young McCurry and McAliskey would do their confidence a world of good.
Safe journey to all heading to Dublin this weekend. I am unable to go with a newborn baby in the house, will get it fierce tough on the morning of the big game.
Smart teams have out-blanketed Tyrone. Tyrone have a relatively slow build-up that regularly begins with short kick-outs and that allows plenty of time for the opposition's forwards to stream back and set up shop. Tyrone got trapped on the opposition 45 a lot in the Donegal and Roscommon games and all of that explains why Seanie C is so important to Tyrone, he's one of the few players in the country that can still break the line in that situation.
There was all that talk about Tyrone really focusing on their long-distance shooting before the Donegal game and they have hit some very sweet long range points, a lot of them coming from Mattie Donnelly.
I think Morgan's loss was absolutely massive for Tyrone - a little luck and the Donegal game would have been there for Tyrone from his boot and his long-range frees completely change the areas of the field a team feels comfortable giving fouls away in and may have resulted in more line breaks around the 45.
When I look closely at the Mayo team as individuals they really are very average. I think how good Mayo are is a reflection of how good a manager Horan is. A bit like Donegal, where it was more about the manager rather than the players. There is no doubt that the only reason Donegal won the all ireland was because of McGuinness. I think Horan has the same attributes but ultimately doesn't have the 5 or 6 top class players that Donegal had. That's why I think Mayo will ultimately fail in their quest for Sam. They may well beat Tyrone but I don't think they are all-ireland winners. They don't have the class that Dublin or Kerry have that is required to win the ultimate prize. If Mayo folk really be realistic about things they will see this also. I Hope I am wrong as I do like Mayo and if Mayo do beat Tyrone I will be fully behind them in the final but ultimately they are a few top class players away from being all-ireland champions.
Quote from: Rodman on August 23, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
When I look closely at the Mayo team as individuals they really are very average. I think how good Mayo are is a reflection of how good a manager Horan is. A bit like Donegal, where it was more about the manager rather than the players. There is no doubt that the only reason Donegal won the all ireland was because of McGuinness. I think Horan has the same attributes but ultimately doesn't have the 5 or 6 top class players that Donegal had. That's why I think Mayo will ultimately fail in their quest for Sam. They may well beat Tyrone but I don't think they are all-ireland winners. They don't have the class that Dublin or Kerry have that is required to win the ultimate prize. If Mayo folk really be realistic about things they will see this also. I Hope I am wrong as I do like Mayo and if Mayo do beat Tyrone I will be fully behind them in the final but ultimately they are a few top class players away from being all-ireland champions.
Just lobbing another oul grenade in there, Rodman?
Quote from: Rodman on August 23, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
When I look closely at the Mayo team as individuals they really are very average. I think how good Mayo are is a reflection of how good a manager Horan is. A bit like Donegal, where it was more about the manager rather than the players. There is no doubt that the only reason Donegal won the all ireland was because of McGuinness. I think Horan has the same attributes but ultimately doesn't have the 5 or 6 top class players that Donegal had. That's why I think Mayo will ultimately fail in their quest for Sam. They may well beat Tyrone but I don't think they are all-ireland winners. They don't have the class that Dublin or Kerry have that is required to win the ultimate prize. If Mayo folk really be realistic about things they will see this also. I Hope I am wrong as I do like Mayo and if Mayo do beat Tyrone I will be fully behind them in the final but ultimately they are a few top class players away from being all-ireland champions.
Aye. I totally read the rest of that after such a strong opening. We need more of this in-depth analysis.
Do Mayo have the guts to get over the line? Do they have tin hearts? How about having the drive? Magician-like skill? Big question marks about this Mayo team.
If they were tennis players I bet not a single one of them could crack the top 10000. They're damn lucky they're playing a team sport or that incredible deficit of individual talent would really screw them.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 11:51:17 PM
Quote from: Rodman on August 23, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
When I look closely at the Mayo team as individuals they really are very average. I think how good Mayo are is a reflection of how good a manager Horan is. A bit like Donegal, where it was more about the manager rather than the players. There is no doubt that the only reason Donegal won the all ireland was because of McGuinness. I think Horan has the same attributes but ultimately doesn't have the 5 or 6 top class players that Donegal had. That's why I think Mayo will ultimately fail in their quest for Sam. They may well beat Tyrone but I don't think they are all-ireland winners. They don't have the class that Dublin or Kerry have that is required to win the ultimate prize. If Mayo folk really be realistic about things they will see this also. I Hope I am wrong as I do like Mayo and if Mayo do beat Tyrone I will be fully behind them in the final but ultimately they are a few top class players away from being all-ireland champions.
Aye. I totally read the rest of that after such a strong opening. We need more of this in-depth analysis.
Do Mayo have the guts to get over the line? Do they have tin hearts? How about having the drive? Magician-like skill? Big question marks about this Mayo team.
If they were tennis players I bet not a single one of them could crack the top 10000. They're damn lucky they're playing a team sport or that incredible deficit of individual talent would really screw them.
Are you drunk?
Quote from: Rodman on August 23, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
When I look closely at the Mayo team as individuals they really are very average. I think how good Mayo are is a reflection of how good a manager Horan is. A bit like Donegal, where it was more about the manager rather than the players. There is no doubt that the only reason Donegal won the all ireland was because of McGuinness. I think Horan has the same attributes but ultimately doesn't have the 5 or 6 top class players that Donegal had. That's why I think Mayo will ultimately fail in their quest for Sam. They may well beat Tyrone but I don't think they are all-ireland winners. They don't have the class that Dublin or Kerry have that is required to win the ultimate prize. If Mayo folk really be realistic about things they will see this also. I Hope I am wrong as I do like Mayo and if Mayo do beat Tyrone I will be fully behind them in the final but ultimately they are a few top class players away from being all-ireland champions.
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Quote from: Rodman on August 23, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
When I look closely at the Mayo team as individuals they really are very average. I think how good Mayo are is a reflection of how good a manager Horan is. A bit like Donegal, where it was more about the manager rather than the players. There is no doubt that the only reason Donegal won the all ireland was because of McGuinness. I think Horan has the same attributes but ultimately doesn't have the 5 or 6 top class players that Donegal had. That's why I think Mayo will ultimately fail in their quest for Sam. They may well beat Tyrone but I don't think they are all-ireland winners. They don't have the class that Dublin or Kerry have that is required to win the ultimate prize. If Mayo folk really be realistic about things they will see this also. I Hope I am wrong as I do like Mayo and if Mayo do beat Tyrone I will be fully behind them in the final but ultimately they are a few top class players away from being all-ireland champions.
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Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
Mayo could win a close game?
Tyrone could drub Mayo?
Could be a few points in it to Mayo not a drubbing but not close?
Could be a few points in it to Tyrone not a drubbing but not close?
Quite a few permutations Larry - I'm a bit annoyed however, that you think that you agree with me on the only two possible outcomes as you have shown yourself to be a bit of a clown. Is that a show ball? Are Tyrone 9/1 on Sunday?? ;D
Nice comment from you a few days ago about fellow GAA men I'd say a little bit more over the top than calling a player average?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2013, 07:00:59 AM
I actually liked Brollys outburst, it showed genuine passion.
GAA folk are far too watery and conservative , gtf if youre offended , tis about time people told it how it is. The rules need changing and Brolly is doing a mighty job in highlighting that.
Tyrone are the most ugly horrible team around , thank gawd Mayo will batter them.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2013, 06:13:07 PM
We're coming to that serious part now where the sham-fighting ceases and we head into battle.
For me, I'm just hoping we force the tempo and play to our strengths. I worry that Mayo are better than we are at every facet, including swarming, dirty ball winning, ball retention, support play, turnovers - all that has served us well these last 2 months. We'll find out. We've played nowhere near the level they played at against Donegal but that's not saying we can't rise to the level needed to defeat what's in front of us - we have every time.
Nightmare - we're blitzed by the real deal. They are as good as we feared and 2-3 years ahead in terms of development. 0-12 3-16
Optimistic - we throw the sink at them and they possess that soft underbelly they're 'famed' for. 0-15 0-13
Veering towards the former but more wrong than right since 1984.
Aye, I s'pose its about time for youse stop calling us chokers and for us to stop telling the truth and lay off calling
ye a shower of dirty b**tards. ;D
The craic's been mighty all along the way but for, me at any rate; it's time to let the buzz build up.
This Mayo team is beginning to look like the real deal to me but there's more to Mickey Harte than his pretty face and any side managed by him has to be treated with respect.
Mickey has proved his worth and still going strong.
I'm not bluffing here; Mickey won the 2005 final for Tyrone. Well, at least he was the difference between winning and losing. No other manager would take the gamble he took with Canavan's fitness and get away with it. He may not have the array of brilliant footballer he had in the glory years but there's still enough of them about to cause an upset if they get half a chance.
I'm not at the Farrandeelin stage yet still but I'll be glad when the ball is thrown in and the waiting is finally over.
If Mayo have any weaknesses Harte will spot and exploit them. I expect Mayo will win but this game will prove whether they're top class or not.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Tyrone 4-1 now.
I hope you took the 2-7 on Mayo.
Tyrone will be lucky to get to 10 points on Sunday and be within 10 points at the finish.
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Remember Cafferkey on Donaghy 2 years ago?
Remember Cafferkey on McFadden for 10 minutes (sadly) and then Molloy last year?
Ever watch Keith Higgins for 5 minutes?
2.5 games 6 - 13? I won't even name him.
Pretty good straws and that is before you get to Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran and our half back line.
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Higgins,Boyle Andy, and more besides.
Still you like others are missing what this Mayo team is about,look at the spread of scores, look at the work rate, the improvements made in every dept, the tackling is unreal, I have not seen the likes.
We have came to croker in the past with household names, weak characters, bravado type individuals etc but this is it , this is the real deal .A team who will give everything, fight till they drop,management will maximise everything in our armour ,this is a cause man , a mission, we will beat Tyrone.
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
And what about Donegal? How many did/do they have?
I personally don't care if we have No players with fancy boots, no marquee forwards, no stand out players, No all star nominees, no All stars, No players of the year, No Man of the Match awards or even No players on the team of the millennium. If this crowd does the business and wins an AI, that's all i care about. This is a team game. If you want a Gaa sport in which good individuals thrive, then Handball is your game!
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Cillian O'Conner, Andy Moran, Keith Higgins.
Well that was easy.
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Remember Cafferkey on Donaghy 2 years ago?
Remember Cafferkey on McFadden for 10 minutes (sadly) and then Molloy last year?
Ever watch Keith Higgins for 5 minutes?
2.5 games 6 - 31? I won't even name him.
Pretty good straws and that is before you get to Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran and our half back line.
He's probably counting Andy as a Roscommon player and Keith Higgins as a Roscommon sympathiser and fair play to him for that at least.
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Grainne Uaile , Michael Davitt , Charlie Haughey, there's three of the best for you Rodman ;).
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Cafferkey, Keegan, Boyle, Moran, McLoughlin, Higgins and COC are all top level footballers as well.
Skip to 1.22 mins and watch Boyle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwxXpsaWrN0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwxXpsaWrN0)
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Grainne Uaile , Michael Davitt , Charlie Haughey, there's three of the best for you Rodman ;).
I was expecting you to stick in Enda Kenny there as well.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Grainne Uaile , Michael Davitt , Charlie Haughey, there's three of the best for you Rodman ;).
He was no fckn Mayoman. Just a ****.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Cafferkey, Keegan, Boyle, Moran, McLoughlin, Higgins and COC are all top level footballers as well.
All decent footballers, and would get on any county team but not in the same league as they guys I mentioned previously.
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Remember Cafferkey on Donaghy 2 years ago?
Remember Cafferkey on McFadden for 10 minutes (sadly) and then Molloy last year?
Ever watch Keith Higgins for 5 minutes?
2.5 games 6 - 31? I won't even name him.
Pretty good straws and that is before you get to Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran and our half back line.
Can I just pull you up on this as this isn't the first time you have tried to hyperbole this - Cillian o'Connor has scored 6-13 which equals 31 points. Yes that's a good, but 18 points less than you are suggesting! Typical Mayo - over egging things! ;)
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/championship-top-scorers/
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Cafferkey, Keegan, Boyle, Moran, McLoughlin, Higgins and COC are all top level footballers as well.
All decent footballers, and would get on any county team but not in the same league as they guys I mentioned previously.
If they would get on
"any" county team, they must be the best and thats all they need to be to beat the rest of the country in 2013. So you are saying we are the best then. Cheers for that and making a clown of yourself again.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Grainne Uaile , Michael Davitt , Charlie Haughey, there's three of the best for you Rodman ;).
He was no fckn Mayoman. Just a ****.
Wasn't he born and grew up in Mayo or do you just select who is or isn't a Mayoman?
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Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Cafferkey, Keegan, Boyle, Moran, McLoughlin, Higgins and COC are all top level footballers as well.
All decent footballers, and would get on any county team but not in the same league as they guys I mentioned previously.
To not jump the gun we are not playing an AI final yet, so talking about teams and GREAT players who won titles is a bit premature yet. We are talking about an unknown Mayo team who have to win an AI to be considered a top gun and an average Tyrone side who have been floating around the qualifiers for the last couple of years and getting hidings when it came to meeting decent teams. Both have their ghosts with Mayo needing to win this and the following game more for the obvious reasons.
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Cafferkey, Keegan, Boyle, Moran, McLoughlin, Higgins and COC are all top level footballers as well.
All decent footballers, and would get on any county team but not in the same league as they guys I mentioned previously.
I think they are more than that to be fair. It's a bit easier to look back and declare players as great but not all of the players you mention where head and shoulders above their peers. Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan and Boyle would all have claims to be the best in their position and COC is growing into a very fine player.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 24, 2013, 12:57:42 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Grainne Uaile , Michael Davitt , Charlie Haughey, there's three of the best for you Rodman ;).
He was no fckn Mayoman. Just a ****.
Wasn't he born and grew up in Mayo or do you just select who is or isn't a Mayoman?
Son of a Derry man stationed in Castlebar, straight off out and raised in Dublin, thought himself a Kerryman.
He was as much a Mayoman as a Tuam man born in Mayo General, SFA.
1989 ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWZAGzGtNk0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWZAGzGtNk0)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2013, 12:50:15 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Remember Cafferkey on Donaghy 2 years ago?
Remember Cafferkey on McFadden for 10 minutes (sadly) and then Molloy last year?
Ever watch Keith Higgins for 5 minutes?
2.5 games 6 - 31? I won't even name him.
Pretty good straws and that is before you get to Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran and our half back line.
Can I just pull you up on this as this isn't the first time you have tried to hyperbole this - Cillian o'Connor has scored 6-13 which equals 31 points. Yes that's a good, but 18 points less than you are suggesting! Typical Mayo - over egging things! ;)
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/championship-top-scorers/
You are correct, except the hyperbola bit. It is a typo.
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Grainne Uaile , Michael Davitt , Charlie Haughey, there's three of the best for you Rodman ;).
I was expecting you to stick in Enda Kenny there as well.
Ah sure Enda only played Junior club with Islandeady whereas Charlie was mean underage footballer in his youth , Grainne Uaile was a barnstorming center half back who would hang draw and quarter you if you didn't give here a decent challenge (even your own Earl of Tyrone Hugh O' Neill who was twenty years her junior wouldn't dare mark her) and Mick Davitt was the first in a long line of top class goalkeepers who never ever conceded a goal in a 25 year career and he only had one arm!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 01:17:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2013, 12:50:15 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Remember Cafferkey on Donaghy 2 years ago?
Remember Cafferkey on McFadden for 10 minutes (sadly) and then Molloy last year?
Ever watch Keith Higgins for 5 minutes?
2.5 games 6 - 31? I won't even name him.
Pretty good straws and that is before you get to Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran and our half back line.
Can I just pull you up on this as this isn't the first time you have tried to hyperbole this - Cillian o'Connor has scored 6-13 which equals 31 points. Yes that's a good, but 18 points less than you are suggesting! Typical Mayo - over egging things! ;)
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/championship-top-scorers/
You are correct, except the hyperbola bit. It is a typo.
Fair enough - but twice in different threads? I accepted it was a typo in the All Star thread then you repeated it here, so I had to pick up on it. You lads hype this team up without even realising!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2013, 01:22:12 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 01:17:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2013, 12:50:15 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Remember Cafferkey on Donaghy 2 years ago?
Remember Cafferkey on McFadden for 10 minutes (sadly) and then Molloy last year?
Ever watch Keith Higgins for 5 minutes?
2.5 games 6 - 31? I won't even name him.
Pretty good straws and that is before you get to Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran and our half back line.
Can I just pull you up on this as this isn't the first time you have tried to hyperbole this - Cillian o'Connor has scored 6-13 which equals 31 points. Yes that's a good, but 18 points less than you are suggesting! Typical Mayo - over egging things! ;)
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/championship-top-scorers/
You are correct, except the hyperbola bit. It is a typo.
Fair enough - but twice in different threads? I accepted it was a typo in the All Star thread then you repeated it here, so I had to pick up on it. You lads hype this team up without even realising!
I checked it each time before posting and after a couple of glasses of wine and green and red tinted glasses, 6 -13 (31) became 6 -31. I will be bringing my lucky bottle to Croker and I hope 6 -13 will indeed become 6 -31.
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 01:26:20 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2013, 01:22:12 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 01:17:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2013, 12:50:15 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Average players,no quality, lack of skilful players.
Are ye GAA people at all, did ye even grow up with the game?
Ye do not have a friggin clue.
And yer Benny there is starting to cover his hole by posting he thinks they could be at the end of a drubbing or they could win a close contest, ffs that s like the met office telling you it could be a scorcher of a day or it might well be a miserable wet day.
Mayo will win and win handy because they are a far better side than Tyrone.
And they probably will but to win Sam takes something special - do Mayo have that. Think back of the most recent winners and the players they had ,
Armagh - mcgeeney, mcgrane, mcconville, marsden, McDonnell
Tyrone - Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, O'Neill, Cavanagh
Kerry - O'Se's, Cooper, Donaghy, Galvin, O'Sullivan
Cork - Canty, Kelly, Goulding, Shields, Sheehan
Dublin - A Brogan, Cluxton, Flynn, B Brogan, MD McCauley
Mayo?? - O'Shea,Dillon,.....grasping as straws!!!
See what I mean. Can any Mayo folk get 3 more, and be realistic.
Remember Cafferkey on Donaghy 2 years ago?
Remember Cafferkey on McFadden for 10 minutes (sadly) and then Molloy last year?
Ever watch Keith Higgins for 5 minutes?
2.5 games 6 - 31? I won't even name him.
Pretty good straws and that is before you get to Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran and our half back line.
Can I just pull you up on this as this isn't the first time you have tried to hyperbole this - Cillian o'Connor has scored 6-13 which equals 31 points. Yes that's a good, but 18 points less than you are suggesting! Typical Mayo - over egging things! ;)
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/championship-top-scorers/
You are correct, except the hyperbola bit. It is a typo.
Fair enough - but twice in different threads? I accepted it was a typo in the All Star thread then you repeated it here, so I had to pick up on it. You lads hype this team up without even realising!
I checked it each time before posting and after a couple of glasses of wine and green and red tinted glasses, 6 -13 (31) became 6 -31. I will be bringing my lucky bottle to Croker ad I hope 6 -13 will indeed become 6 -31.
Nah Muppet it will be 9-16 ;-)
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 01:26:20 AM
I checked it each time before posting and after a couple of glasses of wine and green and red tinted glasses, 6 -13 (31) became 6 -31. I will be bringing my lucky bottle to Croker and I hope 6 -13 will indeed become 6 -31.
Only Larry Reilly would managed 6-31 in 2.5 games and he would do it drinking a few bottles of wine.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 24, 2013, 01:37:25 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2013, 01:26:20 AM
I checked it each time before posting and after a couple of glasses of wine and green and red tinted glasses, 6 -13 (31) became 6 -31. I will be bringing my lucky bottle to Croker and I hope 6 -13 will indeed become 6 -31.
Only Larry Reilly would managed 6-31 in 2.5 games and he would do it drinking a few bottles of wine.
Only as long as it was full bodied.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 11:54:03 PM
Are you drunk?
Excellent summarisation, you might not credit this, but he purports to being from Roscommon.
Luke "Ming" Flagan is also from Roscommon I think. It's all about breeding I suppose. ::)
Before Throne won the 3 all Irelands there was Frank McGuigan
This is a fantastic interview .
"Kieran Shannon's article on Frank McGuigan, printed in the Sunday Tribune on 21 September 2003 and reproduced here, has won this year's McNamee award for the best GAA article in a national newspaper.
The rise, fall and rise again of Tyrone's greatest player Brian McGuigan's father Frank is a true legend of the game, despite a career overshadowed by alcoholism A boy goes to a match with his father. It's in Clones, the 1984 Ulster final, his own Tyrone playing Armagh. It leaves him mesmerised. At full-forward for Tyrone is Frank McGuigan, the man just back from America. It's as if he's never been away. Armagh put three men on him and it makes no difference. Eleven times the ball is played into him, 11 times he scores. Five with his right, five with his left, one with his fist. The 13 year-old goes home to Glencull that night. He makes a decision. He wants to be a two-footed player. He wants to be Frank McGuigan. So he hits the local pitch and starts kicking ball after ball over thea posts. A few weeks later, a video of the match is floating around Tyrone. His father gets it for him. The boy studies it "three to 70 times". He keeps going to that pitch in Glencull, working on his left, his right, his dummy solo. Nineteen years later, that same boy kicks 11 points in an Ulster final. He's captain of his team the same day. When he collects the cup, he thanks his father who has just passed away for bringing him to Clones all those years ago. Peter Canavan never played underage club football. He didn't have to. A vision of Frank McGuigan was enough.
"'84, yeah. Ach, I did rightly but I was past my best at that stage. It was a thing I never got too excited about, to be honest, football. I always took it as something that you had or you hadn't. I wasn't prepared to work with it like. I could drink on a Saturday night and go out and play on the Sunday and it wouldn't seem to bother me. I wish I had been about today when I'd have known the importance of winning an All Ireland; I could have made a fortune out of it. In our time winning Ulster was the big thing. Like, f**k it after that. Because we drank and we drank and we drank. Especially me. I try to preach to the young boys now, OEFuck the drink.' I'm five years not drinking now and I'm the happiest I've ever been. I wouldn't have what I have with Brian and the kids if I hadn't done something. But see me there when I was drinking? I wouldn't have cared if the house was on fire. "Looking back, I'll never understand why I drank after the accident. I sometimes wonder if I hadn't got hurtS That's my one regret, that I let myself crash. When Brian and the boys were starting out in that school field back there, I couldn't go down with them. I'm not talking about coaching them like, I mean just kicking around with them. But then I probably would have been too busy drinking anyway. I might go without it for six months, then drink for three weeks. And I mean three weeks of pure f**king drink. Christ, you talk about George Best!"
In Ulster football, Frank McGuigan is George Best; either the best player you've seen or the best you've never seen. Damien Barton says possibly the greatest privilege in his career was to come on for Derry in a McKenna Cup game in Cookstown and be on the same pitch as Frank McGuigan; Barton has won an All Ireland. Barton's old coach, Eamon Coleman, would cross the county bounds just to see McGuigan play. Only Mick O'Connell and Jim McKeever, Coleman reckons, could catch a ball as well as McGuigan. It was as if he was floating in the air, a skill McGuigan himself puts down to his parents' house in Ardboe; it mightn't have had any electricity, but it had a roof which he'd throw a tennis ball onto time and time again. Noel McGinn, who played with McGuigan in that famous Ulster final in 1984, swears that in one under-21 game against Cavan in Dungannon, a pile of players were around the square waiting for this high ball to come in when McGuigan just hung in the air, took it down with one hand and waltzed out with it. Mickey Harte played with the Tyrone minor team which McGuigan captained to an Ulster title in 1972. McGuigan, he says, was the most versatile and gifted player he has ever seen. He could catch a ball as if he had never left the ground. He could point with either foot. And he had that dummy solo. Harte maintains it should be called the McGuigan dummy. He's seen plenty of players, from Tony McManus to Canavan, perfect it since McGuigan. No one had even tried it before McGuigan. Martin McHugh can appreciate that. He played with McGuigan in the 1984 Railway Cup final. That day McGuigan had his back to goal and made this swivel with his hips which Connacht's Stephen Kinneavy bought completely. That goal won Ulster the Railway Cup. "I'd never seen a move like it before," says McHugh, "and I've never seen anything like it since." In Tyrone, they hadn't seen anything like him either. By the time he was 16, he already had legions of grown men who'd go anywhere in the county just to see him play. One day they went to see Ardboe against Carrickmore in the championship. There was a strong breeze that day. In the first half, Ardboe were playing with it, so they put McGuigan centre-forward where he ran up a big score to give Ardboe a considerable lead. In the second half they moved him to centre-back to defend it. He did. Sixteen year-olds weren't meant to do that against Carrickmore. Seventeen year-olds weren't meant to destroy Bellaghy either. That's what McGuigan did though in one Ulster club championship game. Coleman reckons that it was as good a display from midfield as the one McGuigan gave from full-forward against Armagh in '84. McGuigan himself thinks it was even better.
And so it continued. By the time he was 18 he had captained the Tyrone minors to the Ulster title and come on for the seniors the same day. By the time he was 19 he had once again been up the steps in Clones, this time to claim the title for the seniors. By the time he was 23 he had already been a four-time All Star replacement. He was a legend. He was also an alcoholic. The two went hand in hand. Frank McGuigan didn't have to buy a drink. Everyone loved his affable manner and everyone loved to say they bought Frank McGuigan a drink. After a match he'd be having a whiskey, when he'd look around and there would be another 10 glasses around him. Some were concerned. Jody O'Neill, McGuigan's old friend and county coach, says that in 1973, the same year McGuigan inspired Tyrone to the senior and under-21 Ulster titles, the county board told O'Neill to cut McGuigan. O'Neill, the county manager, said that if McGuigan went, so would he. Drink didn't seem to affect McGuigan on the pitch. The Saturday night before an All-Ireland under-21 semi-final in Galway, supporters found McGuigan lying drunk on a pavement; he was Tyrone's best player the next day. He had a habit of that. Johnny Hughes of Galway tells a story about the man he reckons was the greatest player and character he ever came across. One year on an All Star trip, Hughes knocked on McGuigan's door, wondering if he'd be able to play after an hour-and-a-half of sleep. "Frank got up and destroyed Brian Mullins. He was head and shoulders above everyone else that day." Some days he wasn't. McGuigan recalls one Ulster championship against Derry in '76. He had come home loaded at five in the morning. A few hours later the taxi appeared to bring him to the game in Clones. "My father never told me what to do or not to do about football in his life. But that morning he said, OESon, do the team a favour. Don't go to that game.' I was still drunk in the dressing room. I got a point but I can't remember anything about it. Derry won and ended up winning Ulster. We'd have won it if I hadn't been drunk. But again, I never put a pile of thought into it." Then he went to America and became the king of Gaelic Park. "Went." He laughs at that. Makes it sound like a decision. He tells how he "went" to America. In 1977, he was an All Star replacement. They arrived in Kennedy Airport on the Friday night and basically drank until the game that Sunday. After the game they drank some more until the bus came to bring them back to JFK. "Go on to f**k, I'm staying," McGuigan laughed to Sean Doherty. And he did. The next thing he was waking up in an apartment in the Bronx and the lads from Cookstown were away to work. That's how he "went" to America. For six years. He enjoyed it there. Met a girl, Geraldine, got married, had kids. Got a job in construction ("Didn't do a lot, I can assure you. The best job any man could have!"). No one bothered him there.
He liked that, the neighbours not knowing who he was. At home, everyone did. Everyone does. Earlier this year Brian went out with his girlfriend and a few clubmates in Cookstown. Some of the clubmates got drunk. The next day Mickey Harte was asking Brian had he drank. Brian hadn't. Why had someone told Mickey he had?
Tyrone flew Frank McGuigan home to help them out in '82 and '83. Then they asked him to move home for good. He did; the kids would soon be starting school. The following July he kicked those 11 points. He hadn't lost it. Other habits hadn't faded either. One Saturday that November, he took a few hours from building his house to play a club league game for Ardboe. It was in the Moy against the Moy; Sean Cavanagh's father, Teddy, marked him. After the game he jumped into his Hiace van and was on the way home when he looked to his right and spotted a few Ardboe cars outside a pub. He turned round and had a few there. When he finally left for Ardboe, it wasn't for the house but for Forbes' bar, the place where he works now. They tell him that they actually had the keys off him but that somehow he got them back. By the time he came round he was in an ambulance on the M2 to Belfast. He couldn't understand why he couldn't walk. Then they told him that he crashed into the local church wall, that his right leg was completely shattered and that he could never play football again. He was just glad to be alive. "I was a very, very lucky boy. I'm able to get around the place, even if one leg is shorter than the other. Like, Matt Connor was in a crash the month after and it left him paralysed. I'd be grateful for things like that. And that I didn't hurt anyone else." He thinks of all the other things he could have been doing. Ireland were having trials for the Compromise Rules series that day but McGuigan had turned down the invite, telling the selectors that he was too busy building his house. "Normally," he laughs, "I wouldn't put work ahead of anything!" As that day turned out, he still put the drink ahead of it. The drink would continue to be put ahead of everything. When the little boy Canavan played in the 1995 All Ireland final, McGuigan didn't even see it; instead he lay in his car in Dublin, drunk. Once he managed to give it up for about a year when he went off to Clare for a golfing weekend. "We were in the clubhouse after our first round when I said, OEOkay, I'll have one of those nice pints of Guinness, no more and go back to the hotel.' I didn't play golf for the rest of the trip. I actually slept on the bus, all the way from Clare to here, and it's a long, long way from Clare to here." A fall-out was inevitable. One day when he finished a lengthy binge, he found Geraldine was gone and had taken the kids with her. He immediately turned to the drink again but realised there were no solutions in it. It was the problem. So he went for help in a clinic in Derry. For six weeks. Not to get Geraldine back, but to get Frank McGuigan back. He hated Frank McGuigan when he drank. All those years, they weren't fun. At times he thought they were, but they weren't. "How can you be having fun if you can't remember?" He's a new man now, this past five years.
A happy man, bursting with his life. Brian, Tommy and the youngest lad, 11 year-old Shay, are all back with him. It's a different life; when they come home at five o'clock, he's there. Gerry and himself are still friends. So are all the kids. When he sees fellas who he knows are drinking too much, he tells them they won't believe the benefits of coming off it. He's been to America twice, Portugal three times, golfing. He plans to go to Australia sometime. Things he'd never have been interested in if he were drinking. That's why he's not afraid to tell his story. People must know how lethal drink can be. He's concerned with the culture that goes with the GAA. Ardboe have a match two weeks after the All Ireland. Last week they had a team meeting where they agreed that if Tyrone won the All Ireland, they'd be off the drink by the Thursday. "It's very bad saying you're going to drink from Sunday to Wednesday. Why not just say, OEWe'll quit on Wednesday if we drink that length of time at all?'" McGuigan is coaching that Ardboe team. It's his first year involved and it's going well; that's a county semi-final they're playing in a fortnight's time. He says it's not him helping out Ardboe; it's Ardboe helping him. His sons Brian, Tommy and Frank all play for the club. It's another way of making up for lost time. "When I was drinking, I hurt people. Especially the kids. I had no patience when I drank. I wouldn't have gone to parent-teacher meetings, things like that. It's the least I owe them." The young lads are generating some folklore themselves. Last year Ardboe scored a goal that featured seven passes. Only the McGuigans were involved in it; no one else was on their wavelength. Twenty-five year-old Frank is on the senior panel. Nineteen year-old Tommy won a minor All Ireland two years ago and is on the county under-21 team; he'll be something else, maintains Frank Senior, if they can come up with a way to pay for the operation needed to sort out his knee once and for all. And then there's 23 year-old Brian. Frank says he doesn't give him any advice, that's what Mickey Harte is for. Harte maintains he has to say very little either; only Peter Canavan, the Tyrone manager reckons, has the same footballing brain. Art McRory once said it was impossible to give Frank McGuigan a bad pass; the current Tyrone team say it's impossible for Brian McGuigan to give one. "I've never seen him have a bad game this year," says his own father. "One pass and he can turn a game. He turned the Ulster final on it's head. For people to even say that the man-of-the-match that day was anyone else angers me. He should be recognised for the player he is. He's not and it's not fair. Like, the last day in Croke Park they announced him as OEBrian McGuigan, son of Frank McGuigan.'" Neither of them should take any offence that he was described as Frank's son. As Canavan would agree, in a way, every Tyrone footballer is. "
Rodman is correct. We haven't a hope in hell. We'll do extremely qell to score one point in this match. Tyrone only need Cavanagh to walk around for 70 mins. I don't know why I'll bother going at all!
Between the newbies and the wind up merchants, this is one of the poorest pre match threads I have seen on here for a long time.
As I see it, if this was any other county except Mayo that Tyrone were playing, there would be not even be a debate about the result.......
My twopence worth, mayo will win this game pulling up, too much power and scoring options all over the field, Tyrone relying on one or two men to get them over the line. As a Mayo man, I can safely say, you won't win too many games this time of year, relying on one or two leaders to score enough to win.
Mayo by 6 minimum.
Wouldn't agree Tyrone are dependent on one or two players. I also don't agree if this was anyone else we'd be saying the result was a foregone conclusion. This is Tyrone and they've been there or there abouts for a decade now and have produced quality underage teams for all that time so while some of this team aren't household names they are good footballers. I expect Tyrone to challenge for honours for the foreseeable future so talk of handy wins against them (by anyone) is fanciful.
I expect mayo to win but can't see it being straightforward, Tyrone are more than capable of digging in if they feel they can't go toe to toe with mayo.
PS: I agree it's been a poor enough thread with little genuine discussion on the game which is a pity as both counties have a lot of knowledgable posters.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2013, 08:34:52 AM
Rodman is correct. We haven't a hope in hell. We'll do extremely qell to score one point in this match. Tyrone only need Cavanagh to walk around for 70 mins. I don't know why I'll bother going at all!
I have never said Mayo haven't a hope. In fact, i think Mayo will most likely win. What I disagree with is Mayo being pronounced as the greatest team ever and that Tyrone are not in their league. Listening to Off the Ball on Thursday night from Castlebar you would think they were talking about the great Kerry team of the 70's and 80's. At the moment all they are is a very good team with an excellent manager but nothing special. Mayo should beat this average Tyrone team but I don't think they will win the final so ultimately all they will be remembered for is a team that lost 2 all-Ireland finals, just like the Mayo team 04/06.
Quote from: Rodman on August 24, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2013, 08:34:52 AM
Rodman is correct. We haven't a hope in hell. We'll do extremely qell to score one point in this match. Tyrone only need Cavanagh to walk around for 70 mins. I don't know why I'll bother going at all!
I have never said Mayo haven't a hope. In fact, i think Mayo will most likely win. What I disagree with is Mayo being pronounced as the greatest team ever and that Tyrone are not in their league. Listening to Off the Ball on Thursday night from Castlebar you would think they were talking about the great Kerry team of the 70's and 80's. At the moment all they are is a very good team with an excellent manager but nothing special. Mayo should beat this average Tyrone team but I don't think they will win the final so ultimately all they will be remembered for is a team that lost 2 all-Ireland finals, just like the Mayo team 04/06.
Lets just wait and see. Then make your judgments. Anyway enjoy the occasion. I know both teams have made semi finals a regularity the last couple of years. But semis are still moments to savour and enjoy.
Right fellas, now that An Gaeilgoir has saved the thread with his insightful analysis, I think it's time to go and lie down in preparation for the game. I must say the Mayo lads are very passionate about their team and the county deserves a visit from Sam. I for one have enjoyed the pre match banter on this thread and here's hoping for a good, tight competitive game tomorrow. Best of luck to both teams, it should be a great occasion - Tyrone by 2. Bring it on!!
There are more than 'one or two players' on that Tyrone team.
Cavanagh, O'Neill, Gormley, MCConnell and the McMahons have been there, done that. That is 6/15.
The Donnellys look like they are good players and they are trying to blend in some of the recent good minors they have had.
I wouldn't dismiss them until the final whistle on Sunday.
Can't wait for the game and while I am confident the main worry is what will Mayo do if this game is in the balance in the final quarter or final 10 mins?
Also while Sean Cavanagh will be very close to player of the year his threat is an obvious one and there are a couple more which will rattle Mayo before the 70 mins are up.
Joe McMahon is probably for me now the most important Tyrone player behind Cavanagh. He is arguably the best reader of the game around , one of the best ball player I have seen (his distribution is top notch and often overlooked) and is the only player at the moment who can play the sweeper role high up the pitch or deep( he does it so consistently) while being a huge scoring threat from distance.
Stevie O' Neill could be the ace in the pack especially if he moves out to on the forty. His distribution could be the key for McCurry and McAilskey doing damage inside. He hasn't been at his best this year since the league but Ciaran Mac wasn't having a vintage year for us in 06 but in the Dublin match he hit form and all hell broke loose so with space further out the field he would make me nervous anyway.
I think Tyrone if the get the match ups right and break the ball successfully in the middle won't need more than their average of 13 or 14 points to win the game allied to their big game mentality which can;'t be discounted.
With Mayo I think the spread of our form in the team is what makes me confident. I expect Boyler to giving the task of watching Cavanagh with the O'Sheas being left to choke the midfield for Tyrone.If Tyrone break every ball we will have Higgins , McLoughlin , Keegan , Dillion and Seami O Shea to contest and so far they have won more than they lost.
Short kick outs are dangerous against Mayo this year such is the power and speed which we turn over the ball and this could lead to a couple of goals if Packie McConnell gets these even slightly wrong and if they rely on these for to by pass midfield I expect the Tyrone backs be under huge pressure in possesion.
Our full forward line is the real difference for us this year with Freeman , O' Connor and Andy all carrying a goal threat, been able to win their own ball on the ground and in the air and well able to turn and beat their men. They also create great space for the runners from deep with Donie Vaughan and Higgins likely to be the big threats here.
All in all I don't have the confidence in predicting a 10 to 25 point win but I do think if we bring our A game Tyrone will struggle to stay with us and I would expect a comfortable 4 point win if this happens. If it is a dogfight it is 50/50 and we will find out a huge amount about the fight in both teams and in spirit of bold predictions from the men of the west , regardless of the winners ,Sam will be heading to the victors of this game.
Safe journey to all and may the pints sit easy tomorrow evening.
Best of luck to all tomorrow. Always good banter and respect between Tyrone and Mayo support. Great to be still in the championship at the end of August.
p.s Mayo by 4.
I personally don't care if we have No players with fancy boots, no marquee forwards, no stand out players, No all star nominees, no All stars, No players of the year, No Man of the Match awards or even No players on the team of the millennium. If this crowd does the business and wins an AI, that's all i care about. This is a team game. If you want a Gaa sport in which good individuals thrive, then Handball is your game!
+1 (multiplied x 62 ::) )
Crap quoting..... sorry :-[ :-[ :-[
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:43:05 PM
regardless of the winners ,Sam will be heading to the victors of this game.
Dublin overall have been the outstanding team this year. Mayo very impressive against a ragged Donegal. I do expect to see a Dublin/Mayo final and will wait until both semis are played until making any final predictions. With comments like above and what I'm hearing elsewhere unfortunately the hype seems to be gathering amongst Mayo supporters. If they win on Sunday it will only grow, if they win convincingly it could grow out of all proportions. It has happened in the past, '97 and '04 readily come to mind. This year the team seems very focused and grounded under James Horan but the players are only human and if Mayo do prevail on Sunday it will be hard for them not to get caught up in the hype.
Quote from: Seamus on August 24, 2013, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:43:05 PM
regardless of the winners ,Sam will be heading to the victors of this game.
Dublin overall have been the outstanding team this year. Mayo very impressive against a ragged Donegal. I do expect to see a Dublin/Mayo final and will wait until both semis are played until making any final predictions. With comments like above and what I'm hearing elsewhere unfortunately the hype seems to be gathering amongst Mayo supporters. If they win on Sunday it will only grow, if they win convincingly it could grow out of all proportions. It has happened in the past, '97 and '04 readily come to mind. This year the team seems very focused and grounded under James Horan but the players are only human and if Mayo do prevail on Sunday it will be hard for them not to get caught up in the hype.
You are correct in saying Dublin are the team of the moment, good league run followed by league title, followed by good championship form. The reason the media are not taking the usual notice of Dublin is because Mayo's game v Donegal was after their last game and Mayo's semi final is before theirs. Next week madness will ensue.
Quote from: Seamus on August 24, 2013, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 24, 2013, 12:43:05 PM
regardless of the winners ,Sam will be heading to the victors of this game.
Dublin overall have been the outstanding team this year. Mayo very impressive against a ragged Donegal. I do expect to see a Dublin/Mayo final and will wait until both semis are played until making any final predictions. With comments like above and what I'm hearing elsewhere unfortunately the hype seems to be gathering amongst Mayo supporters. If they win on Sunday it will only grow, if they win convincingly it could grow out of all proportions. It has happened in the past, '97 and '04 readily come to mind. This year the team seems very focused and grounded under James Horan but the players are only human and if Mayo do prevail on Sunday it will be hard for them not to get caught up in the hype.
If i were to pick semi final where the winner will come from it will be next weekends however like you said its best to wait until both semis are played.
What kind of crowd is expected tomorrow, I've heard 50,000 but I also heard they're expecting 70,000 which would be a massive crowd for a semi without the Dubs?
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
What kind of crowd is expected tomorrow, I've heard 50,000 but I also heard they're expecting 70,000 which would be a massive crowd for a semi without the Dubs?
Could be 40,000 travelling up from the West if all those I heard are heading up.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2013, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
What kind of crowd is expected tomorrow, I've heard 50,000 but I also heard they're expecting 70,000 which would be a massive crowd for a semi without the Dubs?
Hard to know. I know a lot of people are up for the weekend but I've also seen a good few trying to get rid of tickets on twitter
Could be 40,000 travelling up from the West if all those I heard are heading up.
Quote from: everymanaman on August 24, 2013, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 24, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2013, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
What kind of crowd is expected tomorrow, I've heard 50,000 but I also heard they're expecting 70,000 which would be a massive crowd for a semi without the Dubs?
you should make a play for the Guinness book of records for knowing 40,000 people. Facebook must love you
Hard to know. I know a lot of people are up for the weekend but I've also seen a good few trying to get rid of tickets on twitter
Could be 40,000 travelling up from the West if all those I heard are heading up.
Lads sort out yer quoting. It is clear I was making an estimation on the % of people both regular GAA and bandwagon saying they are going in relation to other similar occasions. This has 40,000 from the Whest feel to it.
What is the guestimation from the Narth?
Honk if you see the Ros-mobile on the way to Maynooth tomorrow :-*
This could be a difficult match for mayo . Will they be as fired up as they were for the Donegal match I wonder ? Tyrone are dogged too but I just don't see them getting enough scores to win it. I would think the dubs would prefer Tyrone to win this match while Kerry would prefer mayo to win it.
It's getting nearer, lets be fookin havin ya Tyrone, come on.
If we bring our "a" game we have this no bother.
Going by crowds already here, we will outnumber them by 2to1.
#seaofgreenandred
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
What kind of crowd is expected tomorrow, I've heard 50,000 but I also heard they're expecting 70,000 which would be a massive crowd for a semi without the Dubs?
Judging from tickets.ie there only seems to be a few seated tickets left in the corner of the upper hogan. Rest of the seats seem to be gone. I assume there won't be too many on the hill and not sure if the front rows in the lower decks are open but even still you'd imagine there must be well over 60,000 going. Tyrone will be well supported but there must be serious numbers going from Mayo to make up that kind of attendance.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 11:30:33 PM
It's getting nearer, lets be fookin havin ya Tyrone, come on.
If we bring our "a" game we have this no bother.
Going by crowds already here, we will outnumber them by 2to1.
#seaofgreenandred
#rhubarbdawn?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 11:30:33 PM
It's getting nearer, lets be fookin havin ya Tyrone, come on.
If we bring our "a" game we have this no bother.
Going by crowds already here, we will outnumber them by 2to1.
#seaofgreenandred
Are you in Croke Park already?
Had a seriously long week at work, and to be honest, I couldn't have cared less as all I could think of was the big game tomorrow. I rushed home this evening hoping Begley's was still open in the town, and sure enough, at 6 the doors were still open and I treated myself to a new polo shirt. ( Iwent for the black and re as it will hide the Guinness spills)
I'm heading to the shop in the morning for the making of a packed lunch for the 4 of us travelling down, and i'm as excited as a child on Christmas morning. I can't wait to hit the bar in Jurys for a pre match drink and have the craic with the Mayo supporters who are among the best in Ireland.
Win lose or draw, i'm out for a good day as that is what the GAA and days like this are all about.
If we win, I will be on the lash as I have Monday off work, and if we don't, then I will back Mayo all the way to win Sam as there is no other county apart from ourselves that deserves to lift the cup in late September.
Safe travels to all heading to the game, and may we witness a great game in HQ tomorrow.
Roll on 3 30.............................
Fearing for the worst - hoping for the best.
f**k it - let's hammer it in to them.
Hopefully be a good start to the day as we play in the Toronto junior and senior championship finals tomorrow as well ( four Tyrone men starting for the Senior team ;D )
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 25, 2013, 12:28:06 AM
Fearing for the worst - hoping for the best.
f**k it - let's hammer it in to them.
Hopefully be a good start to the day as we play in the Toronto junior and senior championship finals tomorrow as well ( four Tyrone men starting for the Senior team ;D )
Same as that but not in the same way as you. ;)
Much-maligned Tyrone still a force to be reckoned with
Keith Duggan
Brian McGuigan knew what he was doing. This was maybe an hour after Tyrone had won the All-Ireland championship for the third time in six years. Croke Park was already shadowed, the litter half collected and autumn had pounced on the capital, as it always does when the last September whistle sounds.
The Ardboe man, who had come in to not so much participate as orchestrate the closing symphony of the 2008 final was ushered into the press room to give his thoughts. He addressed the contentious debate of the day without even being asked. "Tyrone are the team of the decade," he said flatly. "There. That's it."
He was grinning mischievously when he said it. He was just doing it to annoy them. Shaking a bit of salt.
"Them" means the vague, shifting coalition which Tyrone football people believe has never been happy with them since they had the audacity to start winning All-Irelands. It goes back that infamous remark. "Puke football." When Pat Spillane said it, shortly after watching a Tyrone team harangue and hassle gilded Kerry men in a furious All-Ireland football semi-final, (which, it could be argued, changed the direction of Gaelic football), it was out of frustration more than malice.
The Kerry great was nothing if not vexed after that game a decade ago.
But it wasn't what was said that mattered as much as the fact that he was the person saying it. This was Spillane!
Didn't he understand what it was to live in Ballygawley, in Cookstown, in Carrickmore during those decades when the bombs went off without warning and the wet country lanes were treacherous and to watch on television the sensational way Kerry played the game? Didn't he ever consider how much they used to marvel at the ease with which all of them – Spillane, Sheehy, Egan – kicked a ball?
Stopped hurting
So when the day came when Tyrone finally strode the stage with the masters and won, it hurt that one of the gods of the Kerry machine had dismissed their achievement. It has never stopped hurting.
Flash forward a decade. Much has since happened to and for Tyrone. Their emergence has been defined by a well-documented trail of sorrow, from the deaths of Tyrone minor Paul McGirr in 1997, the success of the 1998 minor team in the wake of the Omagh bombing, the death of Cormac McAnallen in the winter after Tyrone's first All-Ireland success and most recently, the death of Michaela Harte. Theirs has been a hard -earned glory. It has been about mental resilience and faith as much as the dash and irrepressible form with which they played.
It is half forgotten now that when they met their neighbours Armagh – then the reigning champions – in the All-Ireland final of 2003, the purists didn't bother hiding their dismay at the prospect of an all-Ulster big day out. The final from hell!
As it happened, it was gripping until the last seconds: after both counties struggled for provincial gold, it took them just 12 months to match each other on the national stage. Armagh were unlucky not to win another All-Ireland.
But Tyrone were only just beginning. Within two years, they had perfected a new brand of football, with a drifting defence pouncing on hesitant play, intuitively attacking wing backs, a marauding midfield and a brilliant set of forwards.
They were the exception to the sporting cliché that you can't turn form on like a light switch. Tyrone could. So often they seemed to respond to some interior hidden signal and just turn the big stadium incandescent with the quality of their play.
At their best, their play has been scintillating. They have abrasive characters. They have defenders who like to like to get in the ear of their opponents, who niggle, get under your skin. They have players of undiluted class.
They have been involved in some brilliant and some ugly games down the years. They have players who live on the edge. The animosity experienced by the Donegal players when they played Tyrone in the league this year set them up for their opening championship game this summer. But the effort that they expended in beating Tyrone may have killed Donegal's summer.
Tyrone looked shambolic by the end of that match in May, their winter's work and best ambitions blown apart and out of the Ulster championship. But the Red Hand did what they do; they knuckled down and started winning qualifying games in their understated fashion. Nobody, remember, paid them too much attention until they met Dublin in the All-Ireland quarter final of 2008. Then, that light switch.
Best player
Now, they find themselves back in the last four of the All-Ireland at odds with the world. Seán Cavanagh, the best player of his generation, was, indirectly and otherwise, labelled a cheat for his tackle late in the quarter-final against Monaghan. One thing that was never mentioned about that tackle was how safely it was executed.
Donegal manager Jim McGuinness was accused of gamesmanship for articulating his annoyance at a challenge which left one of his players unable to remember anything about the game. Cavanagh's tackle was deliberate and methodical but it was one of the least dangerous challenges of the season. And he was pilloried.
Mickey Harte still isn't speaking with RTÉ in a stand-off going back several years now. People who wonder when Harte might end his silence might recall how long he spent in isolation from his own club over a small but vital matter of principle. "Never" is a good bet. Tyrone football people believe that media pundits in RTÉ and elsewhere feel empowered to level any accusation at their team. Sure it's only 'Throne'. If you stand where they stand, it is hard to disagree with them. Just because you're paranoid and all that.....
Tyrone do not have the same quality as the side which won its last All-Ireland in such shimmering fashion. They have lost the genius of McGuigan for a start. So much is gone, from the workaholic brilliance that Brian Dooher provided to the punkish excitement which Owen Mulligan brought to the attack. And yet, here they are. Ten years later. They haven't gone away and they have lost none of the edge. Harte is, unquestionably, one of the greatest football coaches the game has known. And there is a strong argument to be made that constructing yet another team capable of making it this far in the All-Ireland championship must rank as one of his finest achievements.
It shouldn't be forgotten that Tyrone will run onto the field tomorrow with a sprinkling of proven All-Ireland winners at all grades. They possess the hauteur of former champions. A decade after their emergence, they are still outside the establishment and will never be national darlings. But when they turn it on, watch out.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/much-maligned-tyrone-still-a-force-to-be-reckoned-with-1.1503863?page=1
Quote from: cicfada on August 24, 2013, 11:15:23 PM
This could be a difficult match for mayo . Will they be as fired up as they were for the Donegal match I wonder ? Tyrone are dogged too but I just don't see them getting enough scores to win it. I would think the dubs would prefer Tyrone to win this match while Kerry would prefer mayo to win it.
If we beat the great footballing county of Tyrone, along with Kerry the shining lights of football over the last decade we will want to play that same Kerry in any Final.
Dublin are the only team I believe are on the same level of us.
Mayo and Dublin are the new Kerry and Tyrone (it might be my first alcohol fueled post in about 3 months)
Whoop Whoop Hup Mayoooooooooooooooo.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2013, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: everymanaman on August 24, 2013, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 24, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2013, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
What kind of crowd is expected tomorrow, I've heard 50,000 but I also heard they're expecting 70,000 which would be a massive crowd for a semi without the Dubs?
you should make a play for the Guinness book of records for knowing 40,000 people. Facebook must love you
Hard to know. I know a lot of people are up for the weekend but I've also seen a good few trying to get rid of tickets on twitter
Could be 40,000 travelling up from the West if all those I heard are heading up.
Lads sort out yer quoting. It is clear I was making an estimation on the % of people both regular GAA and bandwagon saying they are going in relation to other similar occasions. This has 40,000 from the Whest feel to it.
What is the guestimation from the Narth?
so an over all crowd of 45K not bad though there may be a few more from Monaghan
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2013, 11:30:33 PM
It's getting nearer, lets be fookin havin ya Tyrone, come on.
If we bring our "a" game we have this no bother.
Going by crowds already here, we will outnumber them by 2to1.
#seaofgreenandred
#rhubarbdawn?
Red Hand Down
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2013, 01:12:45 AM
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Well I'm going for after 20 mins, Mayo 1.03 Tyrone 0.02. Half-time Mayo 3.08 Tyrone 0.06. Full Time Mayo 4.14 Tyrone 0.13
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2013, 01:12:45 AM
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Well I'm going for after 20 mins, Mayo 1.03 Tyrone 0.02. Half-time Mayo 3.08 Tyrone 0.06. Full Time Mayo 4.14 Tyrone 0.13
That's the drink talking ..........................
Quote from: give her dixie on August 25, 2013, 01:51:18 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2013, 01:12:45 AM
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Well I'm going for after 20 mins, Mayo 1.03 Tyrone 0.02. Half-time Mayo 3.08 Tyrone 0.06. Full Time Mayo 4.14 Tyrone 0.13
That's the drink talking ..........................
Brilliant thing is, if its' way off, it was the drink, if its' close I am an Oracle.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 02:01:50 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 25, 2013, 01:51:18 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2013, 01:12:45 AM
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Well I'm going for after 20 mins, Mayo 1.03 Tyrone 0.02. Half-time Mayo 3.08 Tyrone 0.06. Full Time Mayo 4.14 Tyrone 0.13
That's the drink talking ..........................
Brilliant thing is, if its' way off, it was the drink, if its' close I am an Oracle.
I'm sure it's worth a tenner, and sure if it pays out, you will have some weekend in late September !!!
If this was the case.....why would the headline for the preview of the game in the regional weekly paper read something like...County Players rally the support?...and then remarks in the interview of...things arent like 03/05/08...seems like supporters have.....?
Seems your Donegal friends are misinformed....never seen it so quiet embarrassing too be honest....
On the game....we are up against it I believe but although a shade of our great teams, the boys have done very well in transition and there could be a game in us and with MH in charge no doubt theres a trick up his sleeve (I hope) cos Mayo do look good and anyone that knows me Ive been complimenting them since James Horan took over and comparing him to Peter Canavan in that your boys would play for him like no other and respect him to take them to another level..hence what we seen so far..also I always finished that statement with....Mayo will win an all ireland within the next 2 yrs...Tyrone on the otherhand have a bench that worries me and therefore if we dont perform to our best which is at least 33% better than anything this yr then we will be over run and could lose by 5-10 pts..
Hope its a great game with Tyrone winning by 2 pts 1-14 to 2-9 lol
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 08, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
All slagging aside, I was delighted for Tyronies everywhere when you finally won Sam. I'd say most GAA fans everywhere felt the same. 'Tis said that God loves a trier and he, whoever he is, must have relented a bit to let Peter Canavan finally get his hands on a Celtic Cross.
Tyrone had certainly been trying hard for many years and never lost hope.
I'd say Tyrone followers must have felt every bit as sick after the '95 final as we were after the '96 one. Like us, you shower have had a lot more dinner times than dinners but you did nail Sam in the end.
Tyrone were very popular winners and the fact that they beat Kerry along the way earned them even more respect. Stuff Pat Spillane and his "Puke Football;" it was the moaning of a sore loser.
The fact is that Armagh supporters were starting to give everyone outside their county a bit of a pain in the arse.
Tony Fearons, every last one of them!
Fair enough, it took Tyrone followers a bit longer to start blowing their coal but when they did, they sure did it in style. The controversy over the selection of the team of the decade did them no favours either.
Anyone who thinks I'm piss-taking can use the search function on this board and check out some of the threads around '09/'10 and see if I'm on a windup or not.
Like Armagh after 2002 or Clare hurlers in the mid-90s, neutral support began to wane fast.
If 99.5% of the rest of the country are hoping for Mayo win, it isn't because they all like Aidan O'Shea's haircut.
FFS, lenny says Tyrone is awash with hype and nobody has yet written in to deny this. A couple of Donegal folk who pass through the county regularly tell me the place is awash with hype and arrogance. I've no problem at all with that; why not have a bit of craic whenever we can?
But, you'd think going by the moaning going on here that Mayo have a patent on the art of begrudgery.
I think Mayo will win but if they're beaten fair and square, I'll wish Tyrone good luck for the final. I feel most Mayo heads feel the same way and I haven't come across any remotely serious post here that claims Mayo will annihilate Tyrone.
So what's the caterwauling going on here all about
Mayo 130,638
Galway 250,541
Roscommon 64,065
Sligo 65,393
Leitrim 31,798
London 15,010,295
New York 18,897,109
hup Connacht ;-)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2013, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
What kind of crowd is expected tomorrow, I've heard 50,000 but I also heard they're expecting 70,000 which would be a massive crowd for a semi without the Dubs?
Could be 40,000 travelling up from the West if all those I heard are heading up.
Safe travelling to all Mayo and Tyrone fans today. Absolutely massive Mayo support for this one.
Quote from: give her dixie on August 25, 2013, 12:43:03 AM
Much-maligned Tyrone still a force to be reckoned with
Keith Duggan
Brian McGuigan knew what he was doing. This was maybe an hour after Tyrone had won the All-Ireland championship for the third time in six years. Croke Park was already shadowed, the litter half collected and autumn had pounced on the capital, as it always does when the last September whistle sounds.
The Ardboe man, who had come in to not so much participate as orchestrate the closing symphony of the 2008 final was ushered into the press room to give his thoughts. He addressed the contentious debate of the day without even being asked. "Tyrone are the team of the decade," he said flatly. "There. That's it."
He was grinning mischievously when he said it. He was just doing it to annoy them. Shaking a bit of salt.
"Them" means the vague, shifting coalition which Tyrone football people believe has never been happy with them since they had the audacity to start winning All-Irelands. It goes back that infamous remark. "Puke football." When Pat Spillane said it, shortly after watching a Tyrone team harangue and hassle gilded Kerry men in a furious All-Ireland football semi-final, (which, it could be argued, changed the direction of Gaelic football), it was out of frustration more than malice.
The Kerry great was nothing if not vexed after that game a decade ago.
But it wasn't what was said that mattered as much as the fact that he was the person saying it. This was Spillane!
Didn't he understand what it was to live in Ballygawley, in Cookstown, in Carrickmore during those decades when the bombs went off without warning and the wet country lanes were treacherous and to watch on television the sensational way Kerry played the game? Didn't he ever consider how much they used to marvel at the ease with which all of them – Spillane, Sheehy, Egan – kicked a ball?
Stopped hurting
So when the day came when Tyrone finally strode the stage with the masters and won, it hurt that one of the gods of the Kerry machine had dismissed their achievement. It has never stopped hurting.
Flash forward a decade. Much has since happened to and for Tyrone. Their emergence has been defined by a well-documented trail of sorrow, from the deaths of Tyrone minor Paul McGirr in 1997, the success of the 1998 minor team in the wake of the Omagh bombing, the death of Cormac McAnallen in the winter after Tyrone's first All-Ireland success and most recently, the death of Michaela Harte. Theirs has been a hard -earned glory. It has been about mental resilience and faith as much as the dash and irrepressible form with which they played.
It is half forgotten now that when they met their neighbours Armagh – then the reigning champions – in the All-Ireland final of 2003, the purists didn't bother hiding their dismay at the prospect of an all-Ulster big day out. The final from hell!
As it happened, it was gripping until the last seconds: after both counties struggled for provincial gold, it took them just 12 months to match each other on the national stage. Armagh were unlucky not to win another All-Ireland.
But Tyrone were only just beginning. Within two years, they had perfected a new brand of football, with a drifting defence pouncing on hesitant play, intuitively attacking wing backs, a marauding midfield and a brilliant set of forwards.
They were the exception to the sporting cliché that you can't turn form on like a light switch. Tyrone could. So often they seemed to respond to some interior hidden signal and just turn the big stadium incandescent with the quality of their play.
At their best, their play has been scintillating. They have abrasive characters. They have defenders who like to like to get in the ear of their opponents, who niggle, get under your skin. They have players of undiluted class.
They have been involved in some brilliant and some ugly games down the years. They have players who live on the edge. The animosity experienced by the Donegal players when they played Tyrone in the league this year set them up for their opening championship game this summer. But the effort that they expended in beating Tyrone may have killed Donegal's summer.
Tyrone looked shambolic by the end of that match in May, their winter's work and best ambitions blown apart and out of the Ulster championship. But the Red Hand did what they do; they knuckled down and started winning qualifying games in their understated fashion. Nobody, remember, paid them too much attention until they met Dublin in the All-Ireland quarter final of 2008. Then, that light switch.
Best player
Now, they find themselves back in the last four of the All-Ireland at odds with the world. Seán Cavanagh, the best player of his generation, was, indirectly and otherwise, labelled a cheat for his tackle late in the quarter-final against Monaghan. One thing that was never mentioned about that tackle was how safely it was executed.
Donegal manager Jim McGuinness was accused of gamesmanship for articulating his annoyance at a challenge which left one of his players unable to remember anything about the game. Cavanagh's tackle was deliberate and methodical but it was one of the least dangerous challenges of the season. And he was pilloried.
Mickey Harte still isn't speaking with RTÉ in a stand-off going back several years now. People who wonder when Harte might end his silence might recall how long he spent in isolation from his own club over a small but vital matter of principle. "Never" is a good bet. Tyrone football people believe that media pundits in RTÉ and elsewhere feel empowered to level any accusation at their team. Sure it's only 'Throne'. If you stand where they stand, it is hard to disagree with them. Just because you're paranoid and all that.....
Tyrone do not have the same quality as the side which won its last All-Ireland in such shimmering fashion. They have lost the genius of McGuigan for a start. So much is gone, from the workaholic brilliance that Brian Dooher provided to the punkish excitement which Owen Mulligan brought to the attack. And yet, here they are. Ten years later. They haven't gone away and they have lost none of the edge. Harte is, unquestionably, one of the greatest football coaches the game has known. And there is a strong argument to be made that constructing yet another team capable of making it this far in the All-Ireland championship must rank as one of his finest achievements.
It shouldn't be forgotten that Tyrone will run onto the field tomorrow with a sprinkling of proven All-Ireland winners at all grades. They possess the hauteur of former champions. A decade after their emergence, they are still outside the establishment and will never be national darlings. But when they turn it on, watch out.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/much-maligned-tyrone-still-a-force-to-be-reckoned-with-1.1503863?page=1
meeja check
won all irelands check
Mickey Harte is very good check
still in it check
nobody loves us check
But he doesn't sound very convinced.
It's a big ask for Throne today.
I'm getting up and ready to hit the road to Dublin. I don't have the usual sickly nervousness as I'm not expecting to come home elated. I'd just love not to be annihilated like Donegal.
We need everyone to have a big game, and unfortunately Mayo don't have that need. But as someone said a good few pages back, it is a two horse race, and it is possible that one of the horses could fall.
Prior to the league final I would have been happy just to put in a performance and keep Dublin close. Following the match there was a felling of one that got away. Today I'm just hoping that Tyrone don't get tanked and hopefully if they can compete and have a chance to win that they don't leave it behind them. Niall Morgan was a big plus in the league final and slotted over 4-5 long range frees and kept Tyrone ticking over in that game. His different style of kick outs gave Tyrone options and I feel that his absence will be felt more today that the other games. McConnell's short kick outs are very short and with Mayo tacking hard from the full forward line out, I'm not sure if that will be the best option today. Morgan would be able to place a kick to a man running into space 45m from goal.
Just can't see Tyrone getting close. Mayo by 7.
Tyrone still haven't produced a big, big performance this year. Could it be today...?
If not, it's Mayo by 5 or 6.
Anyway, feck this big ball cynical rugby tackling shite, the big story of the weekend is the Antrim U21 hurlers! Can Tyrone take inspiration from the 12/1 outsiders?
Hope you have the tickets in HS - I even typed my reference no into phone just in case, all because of you.
Hopefully none of the Cynical stuff but that would be asking for too much.
May Tyrone get beaten out the gate and may they get a flat tyre on the way home. ;D
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I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Well I'm going for after 20 mins, Mayo 1.03 Tyrone 0.02. Half-time Mayo 3.08 Tyrone 0.06. Full Time Mayo 4.14 Tyrone 0.13
That's the drink talking ..........................
Yip.
Apparently it knows more about football than I do.
This Mayo team could be team of the decade.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 25, 2013, 11:13:21 AM
This Mayo team could be are the team of the decade.
;)
Seriously, hope it is a great game today, may the best team win. Hopefully there is no controversy and if Mayo win out I will be cheering them on in the final.
It's been going around for the week but I'm not sure if it's true.
A bit of a long shot here, but is anyone aware of anywhere that might be showing the game in Inverness?
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 01:05:14 PM
It's been going around for the week but I'm not sure if it's true.
Heard the rumour about O'Sé last weekend but not about Moran. Even if it was true, we have good men to come in in big Barry and Mickey C.
Sunday Game saying O'Shea is fine but Barry Moran is in for Andy, though it's tactical not injury related.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 02:11:42 PM
Sunday Game saying O'Shea is fine but Barry Moran is in for Andy, though it's tactical not injury related.
They've just named Andy as a starter
I have Mayo at 7/2 for the title but the sense of expectation in Mayo has me very worried. I don't know if the players can keep that out of their heads for 70 minutes.
Carney - "key performance indicator" ::)
Massive blow to lose Peter Harte.
Best of luck to the neighbours.
Both Mayo scores have come from soft frees.
Two fairly soft ones for Mayo by Deegan.
O'Connor gone by the looks of it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 25, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
O'Connor gone by the looks of it.
Gormely done it on purpose ffs ;)
Holy shit - Mayo looking like Limerick last week. Rabbits in the headlights. And O'Connor gone.
Uh oh...
Any links to the game would be greatly appreciated!
Have Mayo bought into the whole hype thing again??
Thought that was another soft free awarded by Deegan.
Soft frees alright. Tyrone have had the better start, O'Connor a massive loss
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 25, 2013, 03:46:57 PM
Thought that was another soft free awarded by Deegan.
true - all 3 of their frees have been soft. Surprisingly poor start from mayo
Mayo for Sam, my ass!
Marty is laying a bit of ground work for an invite to the hotel IF Tyrone win this year with all the Tyrone/Mickey Harte gushing!! ::) Mayo have been disappointing so far
SON Gone
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
Mayo for Sam, my ass!
Not over by a long way yet but I think Horan will want to get them in for half-time asap.
Deegan has got an itchy whistle finger today.
How did McLoughlin miss that free?
Good God!
Quote from: Puckoon on August 25, 2013, 03:43:58 PM
Any links to the game would be greatly appreciated!
http://www.rte.ie/radio/
Sunday sport
Two big blows for Tyrone there.
Horrible shite now with the diving.
O'Shea does a Rivaldo.
I wonder will Brolly go mental after that challenge?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 25, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
O'Shea does a Rivaldo.
he does indeed but the goalie should have been booked. He had no business being near him
Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
7-4
Only 3 points in it.
It's a great test of character for Mayo.
Another point for Mayo.
Go wan.
Maybe Muppet's prediction will come to pass.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
Only two points in it are you writing off Mayo too soon?
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Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
Only two points in it are you writing off Mayo too soon?
I'm writing off Mayo here and now.
Mayo back to within a point.
I betcha Benny's post will be up in the dressingroom at halftime .
Stephen O Neill is a big loss.
Mayo might actually be delighted to be only be 1 point down because they were terrible for 30 minutes.
Mayo tested today and the second half will tell us what they are really made of.
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Mayo might actually be delighted to be only be 1 point down because they were terrible for 30 minutes.
its been dire
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Good God!
Your hero letting you down?
. My hero?
AOS been very poor and will be lucky to see out the game as I reckon he will pull another swing at someone. (only teasing you BTW)
A good half for Tyrone but we should be further ahead. The loss of Harte and SON is huge and it's very hard to see if through without influential men like that.
Mayo will win this. They haven't got going really and are only one down.
O'Neill and Harte two huge losses.
Tyrone don't seem to have a whole pile to offer up front.
They're gone out of it since they were 6-3 up.
Mayo to win
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Good God!
. Do
Your hero letting you down?
. My hero?
AOS been very poor and will be lucky to see out the game as I reckon he will pull another swing at someone. (only teasing you BTW)
Don't tease a man in danger of losing money!
( I was on about the lad missing the free.)
Carney's some mouth... Terrible game of football they couldn't play worse if they tried! Did they leave all out there against Donegal?
For all that Tyrone only a point up. Horrible decision for the goal. I still expect Mayo to win but we are not watching this years All Ireland Champions!
Still not worried about today but COC's shoulder giving way and the spotty nature of the rest of the free-takers doesn't bode well for the likely match against Dublin.
Tyrone making this a white-hot battle (how many more physically intense matches have there ever been?) but the signs are there that they're already starting to chug. Mayo to choke the resistance out of a Harte and SON-less Tyrone side.
Mayo will still win buckos......................................perfect way to fall into a final by playing to their average potential ;)
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Good God!
. Do
Your hero letting you down?
. My hero?
AOS been very poor and will be lucky to see out the game as I reckon he will pull another swing at someone. (only teasing you BTW)
Don't tease a man in danger of losing money!
( I was on about the lad missing the free.)
You deserve teasing for backing Mayo!!!!!
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 04:17:13 PM
Still not worried about today but COC's shoulder giving way and the spotty nature of the rest of the free-takers doesn't bode well for the likely match against Dublin.
Tyrone making this a white-hot battle (how many more physically intense matches have there ever been?) but the signs are there that they're already starting to chug. Mayo to choke the resistance out of a Harte and SON-less Tyrone side.
Why would you, the Rossies are well out of it ;D
If Mayo do come through, it might be best for them to scrape through as Squire was saying. The favorites tag doesn't suit them.
They are still 4/6 at half-time, out from 2/7 before the the game.
Quote from: galwayman on August 25, 2013, 04:13:34 PM
Mayo will win this. They haven't got going really and are only one down.
O'Neill and Harte two huge losses.
Tyrone don't seem to have a whole pile to offer up front.
They're gone out of it since they were 6-3 up.
Mayo to win
Not the forward fault though, the forward for Tyrone look quite sharp if they got ball, don't think Mayo's have scored
The right ONeill is on for Tyrone. Stephen has been poor enough in summer 2013.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 04:17:13 PM
Still not worried about today but COC's shoulder giving way and the spotty nature of the rest of the free-takers doesn't bode well for the likely match against Dublin.
Tyrone making this a white-hot battle (how many more physically intense matches have there ever been?) but the signs are there that they're already starting to chug. Mayo to choke the resistance out of a Harte and SON-less Tyrone side.
Why would you, the Rossies are well out of it ;D
You can start deleting the smiley filled post rolling in the fact I got the result wrong, containment is only step one and Mayo have already found their range ;)
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Good God!
. Do
Your hero letting you down?
. My hero?
AOS been very poor and will be lucky to see out the game as I reckon he will pull another swing at someone. (only teasing you BTW)
Don't tease a man in danger of losing money!
( I was on about the lad missing the free.)
You deserve teasing for backing Mayo!!!!!
ain't that the truth.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 25, 2013, 04:22:00 PM
If Mayo do come through, it might be best for them to scrape through as Squire was saying. The favorites tag doesn't suit them.
They are still 4/6 at half-time, out from 2/7 before the the game.
True and they won't have to worry about the hype if they come through this game with a win.
Level.
Scoring forwards will probably decide it.
Penalty for Mayo.
That was pretty soft again.
Don't think that was penalty major turning point in the game?
GOAL for Mayo
Last 6 points to Mayo
If Mayo put on their ruthless face beidh Tir Eoghain i dtriobloid.
Another Tyronie off.
1.8 to 0.7
3 Tyrone wides in a row
Deegan is having a mare reffing this game. A suspicion that the peno was a residual decision from the fallout after Cavanagh's pulldown against Monaghan. Karma, in a sense.
3 bad wides in a row from Tyrone.
Another point for Mayo. Dillon. 5 point game.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on August 25, 2013, 04:36:44 PM
Deegan is having a mare reffing this game. A suspicion that the peno was a residual decision from the fallout after Cavanagh's pulldown against Monaghan. Karma, in a sense.
or the phantom foul that caused a goal to be disallowed in the first half
Mayo look like they will win pulling up now.
Wondering where the Tyrone mental toughness is . Kildare are winning by 6 points.
The ref blew his whistle. Mcconnell had stopped. It wasn't a disallowed goal.
Mayo just too strong. Seamus o'se having a stormer. Tyrone have played a blinder tactically but mayo are just a better team.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on August 25, 2013, 04:36:44 PM
Deegan is having a mare reffing this game. A suspicion that the peno was a residual decision from the fallout after Cavanagh's pulldown against Monaghan. Karma, in a sense.
I doubt it but an interesting stat is that Cavanagh has 4 fouls against him and no yellow card. SOS is doing the graft work around the middle and this has been key to Mayo getting to grips around the middle.
1-11 to 0-9
Another Dillon point.
1.12 Freeman free
Sweet jaysus the ref is having a nightmare. Struggling to think of decisions he has got righr
Foot block?
Is the pull down rule mean that you get a yellow card and if a player is going in on goal you defo get a card? So why no card there?
I don't care who wins but I would love to see Tyrone to push it to the end just to sicken that **** Carney. Can't stand him.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 25, 2013, 04:44:49 PM
Foot block?
Clear one.
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Sweet jaysus the ref is having a nightmare. Struggling to think of decisions he has got righr
Yeah he's been brutal. For both sides really but Mayo have probably benefited more on the scoreboard from some of his decisions.
"it wasn't a foot block , he just stuck his leg out in front of the ball....... Jeepers Creepers! Thought the last few minutes of the first half Tyrone looked like running out of steam.
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I don't care who wins but I would love to see Tyrone to push it to the end just to sicken that **** Carney. Can't stand him.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 25, 2013, 04:44:49 PM
Foot block?
Clear one.
Not a chance.
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I don't care who wins but I would love to see Tyrone to push it to the end just to sicken that **** Carney. Can't stand him.
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Foot block?
Clear one.
Switch to bbc2. Miles better commentary
Loved that wee Tantrum from O'Shea - under 4's?
15 min left and Tyrone have only scored 2 points in around half an hour.
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I don't care who wins but I would love to see Tyrone to push it to the end just to sicken that **** Carney. Can't stand him.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 25, 2013, 04:44:49 PM
Foot block?
Clear one.
Not a chance.
Not a chance is right, would have thought you knew the difference in slow motion BC1!!!
Tyrone not good enough. but a goal would still make for an interesting finish!
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I don't care who wins but I would love to see Tyrone to push it to the end just to sicken that **** Carney. Can't stand him.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 25, 2013, 04:44:49 PM
Foot block?
Clear one.
Not a chance.
Not a chance is right, would have thought you knew the difference in slow motion BC1!!!
Maybe not but he was close enough and lifted his foot to block. Tyrone are afraid to try and win this game and as a result won't. Not enough quality up front.
The penalty was the turning point.
Fitness the difference between the two, Tyrone gone since they led by 6-3.
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2013, 04:53:31 PM
The penalty was the turning point.
Nah 3 points before half time were.
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The penalty was the turning point.
I would say the Tyrone injuries moreso. Think the momentum of the game already changed before the penalty.
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The penalty was the turning point.
I would say the Tyrone injuries moreso. Think the momentum of the game already changed before the penalty.
Mayo bench much stronger - harte was a huge loss
Come on Mayo, need another point to get my other bet up.
So that's it for Throne.
Not enough scoring forwards.
But I grew to love them.
Mayo 1-10 Tyrone 0-6 in the second half and in fairness Mayo showed what they were made of.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 25, 2013, 05:03:03 PM
Come on Mayo, need another point to get my other bet up.
Ya had 50 euro on Tyrone at half-time.
I cannot see anyone but mayo winning Sam. Mayo had Tyrone pegged after 25mins...
I never doubted them. :D
Might stand against Mayo not having a tough match before the final.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
Good man yourself ;D ;D ;D
If Dublin win, they'll be the scarcest final tickets ever.
Expected to lose but it was a little frustrating in the end. The first half was excellent for Tyrone but a 1 point lead did not reflect how well they had done. The penalty early in the second half killed it (it shouldn't have been a penalty, if it was a foul at all then it was a free and not a penalty) and Mayo got their tails up then and Tyrone did not have enough to get back in it. The loss of Harte, SON and McMahon were all blows too, this Tyrone team really needed these kind of men on the park. They were missed badly in the second half and Tyrone wilted without them. We also needed a much better performance from Sean Cavanagh.
We will look back on this as a good season though, a lot of younger players have picked up valuable experience and have seen that they aren't all that far away. These boys can kick on from here (and there's more waiting for a chance) and we can bring back Morgan, and hopefully be a bit luckier with injuries in general. There is hope for the future.
The game will have done Mayo good. They were ridiculously over hyped on this forum and elsewhere and the first half showed that they are not as good as many said. A better team than Tyrone - like Dublin - would have punished Mayo for such a ragged half. Perhaps the fact that they were so ragged for a good spell might do them good, dampen down expectations a bit. I wish them all the best, they have a good team and it's time they won Sam.
How a team can expect to win anything with Colm Cavanagh is beyond me!
That Mayo team won't be beaten in my opinion.
Strong all over the pitch. Absolutely no weak links anywhere
Quote from: screenexile on August 25, 2013, 05:14:49 PM
How a team can expect to win anything with Colm Cavanagh is beyond me!
In fairness he wasn't that bad today screen! Made a few decent driving runs, but I don't understand how Cassidy never gets a chance. Matty Donnelly very poor today!!
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Still not worried about today but COC's shoulder giving way and the spotty nature of the rest of the free-takers doesn't bode well for the likely match against Dublin.
Tyrone making this a white-hot battle (how many more physically intense matches have there ever been?) but the signs are there that they're already starting to chug. Mayo to choke the resistance out of a Harte and SON-less Tyrone side.
Why would you, the Rossies are well out of it ;D
You can start deleting the smiley filled post rolling in the fact I got the result wrong, containment is only step one and Mayo have already found their range ;)
Just call me the gaelic whisperer, lads.
Quote from: galwayman on August 25, 2013, 05:16:08 PM
That Mayo team won't be beaten in my opinion.
Strong all over the pitch. Absolutely no weak links anywhere
Not even up front? Was only able to listen to the game but it sounded like Moran and McLoughlin struggled. I think Dublin are very dangerous. They'll create goal chances against anyone and Mayo struggled against a much more limited team for a long time today. Hope they do it, but I still fancy the Dubs.
Fair play to Mayo, I hope they go on to win Sam in September.
Tyrone have had a good run, beaten league finalist's and now AISF losers, not a bad year by any stretch, fair play to them.
Sorry Sludden. Seems like a bizarre gambling strategy though.
Well done to our neighbours 6 point win about right i feel but the penalty (foul outside the box) was a huge turning point. Losing O'Connor will be blow for the final though Mayo have the bench to cope & all the ingredients to win Sam.
Not a bad effort from Tyrone but brawn would never be enough on the day :)
Will only congratulate Mayo when they have the cup in the back of the bus after the AI final. We've already known for a long time that they're good enough to get to the final and getting to the final is not the challenge.
A victory for common decency...
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 25, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
The penalty early in the second half killed it (it shouldn't have been a penalty, if it was a foul at all then it was a free and not a penalty) and Mayo got their tails up then and Tyrone did not have enough to get back in it.
Agree with that, I don't think it was a penalty. Still think Mayo had sufficiently adjusted their tactics in the second half to win it.
If you compare the amount of short kick outs McConnell made in the first half to how many he made in the second half it should tell a story of how Mayo won the match. That we were able to readjust our shape to counter, not only our own tactical naivety in the first half, but change the game plan is something we have not done well in the past. The reduced influence of Clarke also was evident after we worked out how Tyrone were set up, again, thinking on the fly is a bit of a new thing.
Hard luck to Tyrone, some nice players coming through and a credit to the setup of Mickey Harte to lose the first round and still make the Semis.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 25, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Sorry Sludden. Seems like a bizarre gambling strategy though.
It is, I originally had Mayo with a 6 point handicap, but the Tyrone treble at 18/1 looked too good not to take a punt on and for the first 30 minutes it looked like a good bet.
I'm suck listening all year to this shite that tyrone don't have good enough scoring forwards . The way that we set up and our slow build up play from the back is an absolute cancer to a good inside forward. What the f**k are they supposed to do? The current setup stifles good forwards and our emphasis seems to be to "stay" in games long enough, and maybe making something happen in the last 10 mins! We rarely ever impose our game on anyone, tbh , it looks like Harte thinks we aren't just good enough. Maybe he's right? It would be hard to play as a "forward" on that current team!
Well congrats to Mayo and fair play to Tyrone for providing a good tough challenge.
Hard to see past Dublin for Sam.
Fair play to Mayo, they are an impressive team who attack from deep and from all angles which is massively hard to defend against and they just wore Tyrone down. If I was a Mayo fan, I'd worry that their forwards (except the superb Alan Freeman) only started to play when the game was won. In the first half when the game was in the balance and the pressure was on, they were poor enough. I'm not sure the Dubs (or Kerry for that matter) will wilt like Tyrone so they will need all forwards standing up to be counted when under pressure and I'm still not convinced they have the quality to do so, especially with Cillian O'Connor unfortunately gone by the looks of it.
I think the ref had a poor enough game. I dont think it was a penalty for Mayo to be honest, he went down very easily and contact was made outside the box. Also, I'm not sure I agree about the foot block decision either but it would have been a big call to make. He gave some very easy frees in the first half to Mayo which kept them ticking over when the forward lie were misfiring, his eagerness to give easy frees actually cost them a perfectly good goal.
From a Tyrone point of view I'm massively proud of the lads this year,they probably played their best 20 odd minutes of the season today but just couldnt sustain it. We lost Steven O'Neill, Pete Harte, Matty Donnelly and Joe McMahon which left it very hard to keep at the pace we were playing at. However, I'd say the writing was on the wall after 25 mins and the relentless attacking from deep was just too much to contain.
We have some lads who owe Tyrone football nothing but if the future is McAliskey, McCurry, Ronan O'Neill, Ciaran McGinley (who was excellent today), Petey Harte, Conor Clarke, Kyle Coney, Ronan McNabb, Matty Donnelly and Niall Morgan then the future is bright and I'd be optimistic that we will be back again fighting for All Ireland's in the coming years.
Good luck to Mayo in the final, I hope ye can finally do it.
Enda Varley had a nightmare for Mayo, Ill say Conroy if fit enough will start the next day, looks like Cillian is done for the year, his injury occured when he fell on his shoulder, Deegan gave him that soft free, you could see him grimace. That was a game Mayo needed badly.
If Dublin win next week I think their open style of play will suit Mayo
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If Dublin win next week I think their open style of play will suit Mayo
Mayo's style may suit Dublin too - could be a cracking game!
Quote from: galwayman on August 25, 2013, 06:06:54 PM
If Dublin win next week I think their open style of play will suit Mayo
It would suit Mayo and Kerry are the only defensive team remaining.
Mayo 4/5 to win Sam, obviously because they are the only team in the final so far.
Really think Mayo should not be anything better than 2/1.
On a pure odds making note, I doubt either finallist will be as long as 2/1. Usually the tightest game of the year in terms of action.
Can anyone remember a game anywhere ever that that kickout strategy of Tyrone was used? (Apart from various Tyrone matches of recent years, the All-Ireland Semi v Cork 2009 being the other example when it blew up in their faces).
Seriously, is it excusable? Tyrone have a heap of 6 footers in the team and around the middle, by using this tactic are they saying "we don't rate you and your ability to win the ball." Confusing to say the least, especially at that level.
Even if you were scared shitless of the O'Shea's sure you could spoil the ball at MF and work off breaks which Tyrone did expertly in the past. You can't win a game without taking a risk and introducing uncertainty into the equation. Kicking the ball out to corner backs and playing around inside the 45 and sometimes 21 is about the most conservative tactic available.
Quote from: SBH1983 on August 25, 2013, 06:54:50 PM
Can anyone remember a game anywhere ever that that kickout strategy of Tyrone was used? (Apart from various Tyrone matches of recent years, the All-Ireland Semi v Cork 2009 being the other example when it blew up in their faces).
Seriously, is it excusable? Tyrone have a heap of 6 footers in the team and around the middle, by using this tactic are they saying "we don't rate you and your ability to win the ball." Confusing to say the least, especially at that level.
Even if you were scared shitless of the O'Shea's sure you could spoil the ball at MF and work off breaks which Tyrone did expertly in the past. You can't win a game without taking a risk and introducing uncertainty into the equation. Kicking the ball out to corner backs and playing around inside the 45 and sometimes 21 is about the most conservative tactic available.
Seanie C has only ever been average under high ball, it means Tyrone are always a little light in the middle. If you could unearth an IC midfielder (Cassidy?) to free Sean C to be a third midfielder it might change the predictable slow build-up Tyrone rely on. Likewise s proper 14 is needed to make long kick passes a real option.
Quote from: SBH1983 on August 25, 2013, 06:54:50 PM
Can anyone remember a game anywhere ever that that kickout strategy of Tyrone was used? (Apart from various Tyrone matches of recent years, the All-Ireland Semi v Cork 2009 being the other example when it blew up in their faces).
Seriously, is it excusable? Tyrone have a heap of 6 footers in the team and around the middle, by using this tactic are they saying "we don't rate you and your ability to win the ball." Confusing to say the least, especially at that level.
Even if you were scared shitless of the O'Shea's sure you could spoil the ball at MF and work off breaks which Tyrone did expertly in the past. You can't win a game without taking a risk and introducing uncertainty into the equation. Kicking the ball out to corner backs and playing around inside the 45 and sometimes 21 is about the most conservative tactic available.
Harte has used those same tactics against us the last few years he doesn't trust his 6 footers against other 6 footers to be fair Sean Cavanagh is more of half forward than midfielder, i was surprised how off form on frees he was today he normally scores 4-6 points.
Back up the road now - well done Mayo - the sinking feeling came a bit later than I thought it would - Tyrone you really led us on in the first half!
Colm Cavanagh showed probably the most heart in that team in the second half, I'd have him on the team for that alone, and maybe it didn't come across on TV.
I think Peter Harte's loss was a huge one.
Is this the first time mayo have back to back semi final wins since 1951?
Well done mayo. Tyrone can have no complaints.
Tyrone needed everything to right for them and Mayo needed to be below par which is exactly what happened for 25 minutes.
From that point onwards there was only ever going to be one winner.
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2013, 07:45:23 PM
Is this the first time mayo have back to back semi final wins since 1951?
no. we beat Kerry and Offaly in the semifinals in 96 and97
From the 20th minute there was only going to be one winner despite all the wides, the soft non penalty etc.
Mwr were twice as good as Tymoan from the end of the first quarter onwards.
Mind you the old adage about teams with bad forward lines never winning All Irelands comes to mind.
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2013, 07:45:23 PM
Is this the first time mayo have back to back semi final wins since 1951?
You're off the boil today , Sea.
For Tyrone to win they needed one of those days when everything went their way.
they got the opposite.
Peter Harte, Joe McMahon and Stevie O'Neill all went off injured (our 3 most important players bar Cavanagh)
The ref made a few big calls against them at crucial times.
Overall however from the 15th minute onwards. Mayo were the better team. In control and there only looked to be one winner.
The fully deserve to be in the final and were a class above anything Tyrone played all year. (and I dont even think they played anywhere near their true potential)
Quote from: Rois on August 25, 2013, 07:42:56 PM
Back up the road now - well done Mayo - the sinking feeling came a bit later than I thought it would - Tyrone you really led us on in the first half!
Colm Cavanagh showed probably the most heart in that team in the second half, I'd have him on the team for that alone, and maybe it didn't come across on TV.
I think Peter Harte's loss was a huge one.
Indeed he was the 2nd best of the four fielders with the eldest oshea just squeaking it
What today's game and the Mayo- Donegal game shows is that teams that build their whole tactical game plan around a negative game plan are being found out if any chink in the system is exposed. Mayo were able to match both Tyrone and Donegal for fitness but they have a more positive approach to the game and have a better array of scoring options. The heavy reliance on Sean Cavanagh was exposed today as he was not able to assert the influence he has had in previous games and that was down to 2 key factors. The ability of the Mayo runners to put pressure on him and also the work rate and closing down of space around the middle sector in general. He rarely got the ball in space.
Tactically after the first 20 minutes Tyrone were a busted flush. The Mayo defenders pushed up and negated the advantage of playing a sweeper. That is the only way you can play against this system. Also, the lose of Harte was key to the ability to drive forward from the back, creating the extra man and drawing the free. One of the finest examples of a shoulder charge that you will see and Harte was well and truly floored. On todays performance Mayo showed a character that had previously been missing in Mayo teams. Hopefully for them young O'Connor will be ok, any word? He will be a key player in the final if he is fit.
as expected tyrone just not good enough and havent been for the past couple of years. our experience allows us to grind out matches against lower class teams through qualifiers but everytime in last couple of years we have come up against a top 5 side in quarters or semi's we have been well beat, kerry, dublin, cork and mayo today. mayo couldve and shouldve won by 10pnts or more today. tyrone wont be competeing for all irelands in the next 5 years.....not through lack of talent but just lack the leadership and character that we'v been blessed with in the past 10 years.
also never a footblock, yes ball hit his foot but thats not the definition of a footblock, foot must be high and block ball at point of contact of player kicking the ball. pulling at straws with that one.....
For a start if I was Tyrone I would bring back the red shorts and ditch the gps tops. Small things I know but cannot understand why a successful enough way was changed.
The present Tyrone team reminds me of that poor child resurrected in the novel Pet Cemetery. Similar but not a patch on the 2003/2008 team.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 25, 2013, 08:43:59 PM
What today's game and the Mayo- Donegal game shows is that teams that build their whole tactical game plan around a negative game plan are being found out if any chink in the system is exposed. Mayo were able to match both Tyrone and Donegal for fitness but they have a more positive approach to the game and have a better array of scoring options. The heavy reliance on Sean Cavanagh was exposed today as he was not able to assert the influence he has had in previous games and that was down to 2 key factors. The ability of the Mayo runners to put pressure on him and also the work rate and closing down of space around the middle sector in general. He rarely got the ball in space.
Tactically after the first 20 minutes Tyrone were a busted flush. The Mayo defenders pushed up and negated the advantage of playing a sweeper. That is the only way you can play against this system. Also, the lose of Harte was key to the ability to drive forward from the back, creating the extra man and drawing the free. One of the finest examples of a shoulder charge that you will see and Harte was well and truly floored. On todays performance Mayo showed a character that had previously been missing in Mayo teams. Hopefully for them young O'Connor will be ok, any word? He will be a key player in the final if he is fit.
I'd make Mayo as cynical as any team in the country. They have the third man tackle down to a fine art, are masters in cutting off counter attacks by any means necessary, and are quite happy to put 13 behind the ball for as long as it takes.
But I prefer watching them to Donegal (and all other imitators) for two reasons. The first being that one-on-one, their defenders tackle with both legitimacy and fervour, and are some small proof that tackling in Gaelic Football is not a tombola, but a definable skill. The second is similar to what BCB says above. When they attack, they are quick, clinical, and fun to watch. There's no mucking around on the half way line with these men; it's always forward.
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In saying that, I found the difference in their attacking team work between today and the Donegal match quite staggering. I was so utterly impressed watching their forwards against Donegal. Each of them was unselfish both on and off the ball, and it genuinely seemed to be be all about the team. Today, their decision-making was more Junior B standard. McLoughlin's feet were on the wrong way around, and the rest of them just tried to hard to be the game changer in the opening 20 minutes. Varley proved with almost every touch that he doesn't get the team thing. All in all it was a horrible come down. But Mayo created so many chances (even when Tyrone were dominating) that it eventually didn't matter. I hope for the final they go back to heir previous form.
Couldn't fault Tyrone for effort today but we are limited.Still in around the top 6 but we don't have the quality to deal with the top teams like Mayo,Kerry,Dublin or Donegal.Harte will probably get some stick for this defeat but the reality is we are where we are and dont have the players.League final and last 4 in cship isn't too bad.
Well done Mayo,the result was never in doubt and I really hope they go on and win it now.I'd also like to commend their fans.They turned out in massive numbers and gave their team great support today.had great craic with them.They're a credit to their county.
Quote from: Canalman on August 25, 2013, 08:49:48 PM
For a start if I was Tyrone I would bring back the red shorts and ditch the gps tops. Small things I know but cannot understand why a successful enough way was changed.
The present Tyrone team reminds me of that poor child resurrected in the novel Pet Cemetery. Similar but not a patch on the 2003/2008 team.
How could they replicate the 2003/2008 with the players they lost ??? they have nothing to prove currently and are rebuilding...................
In all honesty its about fooking time Mayo won an All Ireland..............................they are to face the fiercest test yet though :o
Hi lads,
Tactical breakdown of today's game here. Genuinely interested in stuff y'all thought I missed, not least because it'll come in handy for my final previews (I do a three-parter for it)
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7573
Emmet
The boards resident expert has spoken. Everyone else please take note!
An Average footballer by the most generous of standards!
Well done mayo on progression . After all the years of hurt would love to see you take Sam across the Shannon.
As for part time analysis, that should be preserved for the Liverpool thread !
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 25, 2013, 08:43:59 PM
What today's game and the Mayo- Donegal game shows is that teams that build their whole tactical game plan around a negative game plan are being found out if any chink in the system is exposed. Mayo were able to match both Tyrone and Donegal for fitness but they have a more positive approach to the game and have a better array of scoring options. The heavy reliance on Sean Cavanagh was exposed today as he was not able to assert the influence he has had in previous games and that was down to 2 key factors. The ability of the Mayo runners to put pressure on him and also the work rate and closing down of space around the middle sector in general. He rarely got the ball in space.
Tactically after the first 20 minutes Tyrone were a busted flush. The Mayo defenders pushed up and negated the advantage of playing a sweeper. That is the only way you can play against this system. Also, the lose of Harte was key to the ability to drive forward from the back, creating the extra man and drawing the free. One of the finest examples of a shoulder charge that you will see and Harte was well and truly floored. On todays performance Mayo showed a character that had previously been missing in Mayo teams. Hopefully for them young O'Connor will be ok, any word? He will be a key player in the final if he is fit.
Probably missed it somewhere but is that GPS thing the package Joe Kernan was flogging a year or two ago?
Looks like BCB quite enjoyed watching Peter Harte getting injured! ::)
Quote from: under the bar on August 25, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Looks like BCB quite enjoyed watching Peter Harte getting injured! ::)
f**k up you ye p***k. I said it was a great example of the shoulder charge and that is by both players. I never said anything about enjoying seeing a lad injured. You really are an idiot.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 25, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 25, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Looks like BCB quite enjoyed watching Peter Harte getting injured! ::)
f**k up you ye p***k. I said it was a great example of the shoulder charge and that is by both players. I never said anything about enjoying seeing a lad injured. You really are an idiot.
It would have been a great shoulder if Harte had been in possession of the ball, but it was about two meters away, so it should have been a yellow card.
So Mc Stay ( fair play to him ) showed on the Sunday game how the ref rode Tyrone today. What a shocker !
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
So Mc Stay ( fair play to him ) showed on the Sunday game how the ref rode Tyrone today. What a shocker !
Them the breaks he said with smirk on his face.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 25, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 25, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 25, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Looks like BCB quite enjoyed watching Peter Harte getting injured! ::)
f**k up you ye p***k. I said it was a great example of the shoulder charge and that is by both players. I never said anything about enjoying seeing a lad injured. You really are an idiot.
It would have been a great shoulder if Harte had been in possession of the ball, but it was about two meters away, so it should have been a yellow card.
Utter nonsense, a perfect challenge in a physical game. The exact kind of physicality we want in the game.
Did Brolly lose the plot about Donie Vaughan cynically taking down Ciaran McGinley today?
Yep, Deegan was useless and the minor ref was worse. They'll have it as a non-contact game if they're not careful.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 25, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 25, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 25, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Looks like BCB quite enjoyed watching Peter Harte getting injured! ::)
f**k up you ye p***k. I said it was a great example of the shoulder charge and that is by both players. I never said anything about enjoying seeing a lad injured. You really are an idiot.
you can only shoulder to shoulder tackle if the player is in posession, Peter Harte was not in posession.
It would have been a great shoulder if Harte had been in possession of the ball, but it was about two meters away, so it should have been a yellow card.
Utter nonsense, a perfect challenge in a physical game. The exact kind of physicality we want in the game.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Yep, Deegan was useless and the minor ref was worse. They'll have it as a non-contact game if they're not careful.
That's the way it's going Zulu.
Nothing can arrest that march.
Some of the "frees" today we're incredibly soft.
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 10:24:10 PM
I thought Deegan was very hard on Tyrone to the point that it could have been game-changing. That said, Tyrone offered fcuk all after the great start and can't really complain that much. Mayo's fans are probably the soundest bunch you'll meet too and I hope they do it. A young lad (about 9) was in front of me today with his granda. The granda was a bit of an eejit but not too out of order. Anytime he stood up screaming, the wee lad grabbed him and said "Shut yer f**king gob, everyone is here to watch the match"...."You'll get the whole of Croke Park started, now give over".........."Don't start that shite"......"The match lasts 70 minutes, it's far from won now sit down". I was in stitches laughing. The language out of the wee buck was like a docker.
Deegan really had a shocker.
1. Mayo's 1st point - was never a foul by McMahon
2. Mayo's 2nd point - was never a foul on O'Connor
3. Mayo disallowed goal. Was not a free by Gormley so was a good goal
4. Ends Varley point - a double bounce shortly before it
5. Mayo penalty - outside the box and maybe not even a free
6. Free against Cavanagh in 2nd half for a text book tackle.
6. Inconsistent with yellow cards
And that's just off the top of my head.
Mayo were deserved winners but allot of the big calls went against Tyrone. But fair play to Mayo. They were tested and came through with flying colours.
Well done Mayo-Really Enjoyable game. Pity to lose the players on both teams in the first half but this affected Tyrone moreso than Mayo as the Tyrone's first team is that better than their subs, whereas Mayo's squad is an equally impressive unit. I feel that had Tyrone not lost Harte and O'Neill, we'd have been in with a shout. Some of Deegan's decisions at crucial times were poor. The most frustrating for me were the (non)penalty, and McAliskey being brought back for a free in when through on goal. That's six points, never mind the soft frees in the first half. This would have been a real nail biter-right down to the last minute, had it been reffed properly.
Disappointed that Tyrone went so defensive after half time-this actually drew Mayo into the game-a mistake that cost us the game. Tyrone forwards need to show more for the ball. The last ten minutes, they were standing on each other's toes in front of the Mayo goalkeeper waiting for the ball-need to learn how to make space, a la Stevie.
For Mayo-a warning shot across the brow.
Mayo were deserving winners and were by far the better team from about 25 minutes onwards.
Mayo didn't need Deegan to give them a hand to bate Tyrone but thst's exactly what he did.
Not often the Sunday Game highlight it as graphically and spell it out as clearly as they did.
Harte and Tyrone will feel aggrieved but in truth, Mayo could have won by a lot more. The tide was well turned by the time the Mayo "penalty" was awarded and by the time Tyrone's penalty claim was ignored.
Brolly sowed the seeds and they grew on Deegan. Job done and Tyrone fans will claim rightly or wrongly that RTE's blushes have been saved.
When is a foot block not a foot block ?
Can anyone familiar with the rules clear this one up ?
Congratulations mayo now don't waste your chance and just go and win the old thing. The net result of brolly s tirade was a carelessly refereeing performance heavily biased against Tyrone. Sad but he kept mayo in the game till they found their feet. But it doesn't matter now. I just don't think another referee would perform like that come final time, so mayo still need to learn better to come into games. With a different ref the game might be over by the time they click. Fair play to their long suffering fans they deserve joy
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 10:46:32 PM
When is a foot block not a foot block ?
Can anyone familiar with the rules clear this one up ?
I found this
"5.17 To block or attempt to block with the boot
when an opponent is kicking the ball from the
hand(s)."
Somebody else clarified that it has to be deemed dangerous play.
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 10:46:32 PM
When is a foot block not a foot block ?
Can anyone familiar with the rules clear this one up ?
I found this
"5.17 To block or attempt to block with the boot
when an opponent is kicking the ball from the
hand(s)."
Somebody else clarified that it has to be deemed dangerous play.
My reckoning is just that rule you quoted. You can't stick yer boot out to try and block a kick.
So was Martin Carney right ? It hit the Mayo lad's leg so it was not a foul ? It has to be the boot that makes contact with the ball when you put your boot in the way of the ball ?
It's a bad rule.
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 10:46:32 PM
When is a foot block not a foot block ?
Can anyone familiar with the rules clear this one up ?
I found this
"5.17 To block or attempt to block with the boot
when an opponent is kicking the ball from the
hand(s)."
Somebody else clarified that it has to be deemed dangerous play.
My reckoning is just that rule you quoted. You can't stick yer boot out to try and block a kick.
Therefore it was a clear foot block. He attempted to block with his foot by stocking his foot out. The fact it hit his shin is incidental going by that rule.
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 10:46:32 PM
When is a foot block not a foot block ?
Can anyone familiar with the rules clear this one up ?
I found this
"5.17 To block or attempt to block with the boot
when an opponent is kicking the ball from the
hand(s)."
Somebody else clarified that it has to be deemed dangerous play.
My reckoning is just that rule you quoted. You can't stick yer boot out to try and block a kick.
So was Martin Carney right ? It hit the Mayo lad's leg so it was not a foul ? It has to be the boot that makes contact with the ball when you put your boot in the way of the ball ?
It's a bad rule.
It's a daft rule, surely there is a huge difference between a lad using his boot to block a kick from hand from a distance of less than half metre to someone that is 2-3 metres away from the player kicking the ball.
You can block the ball with your leg.
Not one mention of the ref tonight on the Sunday game . Incredible considering how many calls he did not make and bad calks he did make. They have obviously been told to lay off the refs. Well done to mayo, I just cannot see them losing the final now in any way shape or form!!
Yes you can.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:11:20 PM
You can block the ball with your leg.
Interpretation of the rule could differ. He lifted his foot in front of the kicker so by the letter of the law it could be deemed to be a foot block as ot could be said he attempted to block with his foot.
It's only a foot block if you are endangering the kicker IMO. There was enough distance between the players for it not to be a free IMO.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:04:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 10:46:32 PM
When is a foot block not a foot block ?
Can anyone familiar with the rules clear this one up ?
I found this
"5.17 To block or attempt to block with the boot
when an opponent is kicking the ball from the
hand(s)."
Somebody else clarified that it has to be deemed dangerous play.
My reckoning is just that rule you quoted. You can't stick yer boot out to try and block a kick.
So was Martin Carney right ? It hit the Mayo lad's leg so it was not a foul ? It has to be the boot that makes contact with the ball when you put your boot in the way of the ball ?
It's a bad rule.
It's a daft rule, surely there is a huge difference between a lad using his boot to block a kick from hand from a distance of less than half metre to someone that is 2-3 metres away from the player kicking the ball.
the rule isnt a new thing. being about years. just now people who dont have a clue have jumped on the band wagon and deemed every shot that happens to hit off a mans foot as foot block. really annoys me. only a foot block if a man leads with his foot, raised and blocks close to when kicker has hit it (official interpretation from ref's is that a foul when foot-ball-foot make contact at one time but got to the stage now if its dangerous, then its blown). cant be used to give a free against a man who has flung himself in front of the ball, or indeed attempted to block with his hands and just happens to hit his foot. its designed to stop men firing themselves kung fu style, leading with feet to block the ball.
cant actually remember todays incident right, would needa see it again on tv so not specifically referring to this incident
sorry for rant but really annoys me, we had a penalty given against us in a club game this year for a defender on the line, blocked a shot from about 5 yards away with his foot and ref gave a penalty. just silly and a rule that certainly needs tidied up.
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:19:24 PM
It's only a foot block if you are endangering the kicker IMO. There was enough distance between the players for it not to be a free IMO.
So it is your opinion to what is or is not a foot block, the beard is probably right but that is once again an interpretation and is not clear on the rule. The man lifted his foot to block a ball and IMO that could be deemed as being covered under the rules. It is messy.
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 25, 2013, 08:43:59 PM
Also, the lose of Harte was key to the ability to drive forward from the back, creating the extra man and drawing the free. One of the finest examples of a shoulder charge that you will see and Harte was well and truly floored.
In truth it was a poor pass to Harte from Colm Cavanagh (who overall had a good game) and Petey had to work very hard to get to the ball first and move it on to a teammate. His attention was entirely on the ball - which he got to first - whilst the Mayo man was focusing entirely on the hit. So really it wasn't a fine example of a shoulder charge at all.
The ref was pretty harsh on Tyrone and I feel his early soft frees were a factor in ensuring that Tyrone were not as far ahead at half-time as they should have been. Mayo were seriously rattled after 20 mins or so but those frees kept them in it. It must be said also though that his decision to call back the Mayo goal for a non existent foul was a real shocker. Got the penalty wrong too. Mayo were deserving winners and the ref didn't turn the game but it wasn't a good day for him at all.
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
Youse are approaching "yer ma" territory.
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
Haven't watched The Sunday Game yet but I would be very interested to hear what Philip Jordan has to say on this matter...
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
Ould Pascal is no stranger to silly stuff, he wanted a boxing match with Donie Shine at the end of our game last year.
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
A mayo man crying out for underdog status, talk about pathetic! Mayo have been the best team in the country this summer and will win the final handy ! Time for ye to show some confidence in them !
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
You seemed to miss Pascal McConnell's third man attack of Aidan and he didn't even get booked.
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
Massive amount abandoned ship with ten minutes to go, made watching the match hard with the stream of white jerseys going by. To be expected in an AISF when teams take on the big-time band-wagoners.
Quote from: cicfada on August 25, 2013, 11:36:34 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
A mayo man crying out for underdog status, talk about pathetic! Mayo have been the best team in the country this summer and will win the final handy ! Time for ye to show some confidence in them !
We won by 6 points and were 10 points up at one stage. I think Most Mayo fans were saying Mayo would win in the 5-10 point range.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:35:45 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
Ould Pascal is no stranger to silly stuff, he wanted a boxing match with Donie Shine at the end of our game last year.
And the price of spuds is ?
Nothing whatsoever to do with incident in question.
O Shea is a cheat. Simple . No question of a tackle .But blatant simulation !
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
Massive amount abandoned ship with ten minutes to go, made watching the match hard with the stream of white jerseys going by. To be expected in an AISF when teams take on the big-time band-wagoners.
Trust me Syf, Rossie fans are similar to Mayo and Tyrone ones in that they support their team in good numbers, but I have witnessed Rossies leave in their thousands with 15-20 minutes to go on so many occasions.
Refs decisions didn't change the outcome of the game
Even though O Shea was acting the tool, Tyrone goalie should have had a yellow and it should have been a hop ball (maybe free in....I don't know the exact rule)
Mayo goal disallowed for nothing
At least one of Tyrone's first half frees that they scored was a fair tackle by the Mayo player
Cunniffes challenge was rock solid....no foul there
Penalty not a Penalty...not even a free in in
Foot block was not a foot block.....he was moving into position to make a challenge. (I think Mayo minors had a penalty against them for something similar last year and all the commentators agreed it was no penalty)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
You seemed to miss Pascal McConnell's third man attack of Aidan and he didn't even get booked.
Absolutely. AOS played on because he hadn't hear the whistle but Pascal was looking at the ref and certainly knew the play was over but still took the opportunity to give AOS a cheap shot.
O Shea went down holding his face - when in fact , no contact was made near his face
It can be buttered any way you like but it was blatant cheating !
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
Massive amount abandoned ship with ten minutes to go, made watching the match hard with the stream of white jerseys going by. To be expected in an AISF when teams take on the big-time band-wagoners.
Trust me Syf, Rossie fans are similar to Mayo and Tyrone ones in that they support their team in good numbers, but I have witnessed Rossies leave in their thousands with 15-20 minutes to go on so many occasions.
No one proud enough to call himself a true Rossie would leave before the 70th minute no matter the size of the hammering :-*
Enjoyable game for a neutral today.
Aspects of Tyrone's game aren't appealing, but the prospect of Enda Kenny jumping on a Sam Maguire winning bandwagon doesn't appeal much either.
In raw footballing terms, hats off to Mayo, who got a good test, even if the result was clear 15 minutes out.
Losing Peter Harte was a blow. Gormley was putting himself about, McGinley was up for it.
If you look at the slow mo you'll see it wasn't a foot block - ball hit his upper shin. Don't envy the task of a ref in today's game, but generally Deegan had a 'fair' game.
Hopefully Sam will head due west. Well deserved.
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:44:35 PM
O Shea went down holding his face - when in fact , no contact was made near his face
It can be buttered any way you like but it was blatant cheating !
What about Pascal hitting a man down? (simulating or for real).
Can someone please call Mid West and ask for a blanket ban on all Mayo 4Sam songs....it's getting tedious at this point
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
Quote from: babarino on August 25, 2013, 11:46:37 PM
Enjoyable game for a neutral today.
Aspects of Tyrone's game aren't appealing, but the prospect of Enda Kenny jumping on a Sam Maguire winning bandwagon doesn't appeal much either.
In raw footballing terms, hats off to Mayo, who got a good test, even if the result was clear 15 minutes out.
Losing Peter Harte was a blow. Gormley was putting himself about, McGinley was up for it.
If you look at the slow mo you'll see it wasn't a foot block - ball hit his upper shin. Don't envy the task of a ref in today's game, but generally Deegan had a 'fair' game.
Hopefully Sam will head due west. Well deserved.
You do know the lad is a true gael and was the secretary (iirc) of his local local, right? He could hardly be accused of band-wagoning on this one.
Reflecting on the year for Tyrone there were certainly more positives than negitives.
When you take the young fellas on the Tyrone team today then there are reasons for optimism. The likes of McKenna, McGinley and McAliskey weren't even on the squad this time a year ago. All those lads acquitted themselves well today. The experience will stand to them.
Tyrone have progressed to a certain point but we need to go away and find a couple more players to win at this level again, something we haven't done in 5 or 6 years now (yes it's that long). There are fellas in the squad who I think can make a difference if they are given a chance at this level, the likes of Conan Grugan and Sean Warnock to name two who didn't feature but have serious futures if their attitude is right.
Mickey has 3-4 months to find a proper man marking corner back, another decent midfielder and a playmaker in the McGuigan mould. Perhaps it's a big ask but there'll be enough championship football played over the next 2 months for it to be more than idle hope.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
Massive amount abandoned ship with ten minutes to go, made watching the match hard with the stream of white jerseys going by. To be expected in an AISF when teams take on the big-time band-wagoners.
Trust me Syf, Rossie fans are similar to Mayo and Tyrone ones in that they support their team in good numbers, but I have witnessed Rossies leave in their thousands with 15-20 minutes to go on so many occasions.
No one proud enough to call himself a true Rossie would leave before the 70th minute no matter the size of the hammering :-*
Remember a game in late 90's / early 00's, there were about 40,000 in McHale, the Rossies fancied themselves to win. A good 15,000 of the crowd was Rossie, Mayo hammered over point after point like a training session, the Rossies were tripping over themselves trying to get out. If there were 300 Rossies in the stadium at the end of the game it would be generous.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:43:06 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
You seemed to miss Pascal McConnell's third man attack of Aidan and he didn't even get booked.
Absolutely. AOS played on because he hadn't hear the whistle but Pascal was looking at the ref and certainly knew the play was over but still took the opportunity to give AOS a cheap shot.
Lets be fair here O'Shea's actions were an embarrassment to the GAA, no defending that.
Surprised there wasn't more discussion of the refereeing performance on TSG. Thought Deegan gave a litany of poor decisions pretty much all throughout the game. Bad for both sides although Tyrone probably got the worst of it.
O'shea put the knees into the man too. That sequence of events was a poor show from him.
Mayo just too good. In a much tighter game horan would need to make a few calls quicker. Moran should have been long gone and conroy, who to me has always looked a nightmare to mark, been on from not much after half time. Probably would have killed the game quicker too.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).That's the actual rule - did the player block or attempt to block with his foot? How on earth can you say he didn't?
There's no mention of endangering the kicker or any distances from the kicker or no mention of Zulu's honest opinion in the rule book either as far as I can see.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:44:35 PM
O Shea went down holding his face - when in fact , no contact was made near his face
It can be buttered any way you like but it was blatant cheating !
What about Pascal hitting a man down? (simulating or for real).
What game you watching ? O Shea down ?
He's no shrinking violet.
O Connell went at him after the incident. Caught him between waist and shoulders and O Shea went down with both hands on face!
Cheat. Simulation. And not a word from the analyists that have every angle despite the slow motion replays
You can butter it whatever you want but O'Shea is a cheat !
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 25, 2013, 11:46:37 PM
Enjoyable game for a neutral today.
Aspects of Tyrone's game aren't appealing, but the prospect of Enda Kenny jumping on a Sam Maguire winning bandwagon doesn't appeal much either.
In raw footballing terms, hats off to Mayo, who got a good test, even if the result was clear 15 minutes out.
Losing Peter Harte was a blow. Gormley was putting himself about, McGinley was up for it.
If you look at the slow mo you'll see it wasn't a foot block - ball hit his upper shin. Don't envy the task of a ref in today's game, but generally Deegan had a 'fair' game.
Hopefully Sam will head due west. Well deserved.
You do know the lad is a true gael and was the secretary (iirc) of his local local, right? He could hardly be accused of band-wagoning on this one.
Relaxez-vous. Just being facetious. Do I have to use smileys?
Quote from: babarino on August 25, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 25, 2013, 11:46:37 PM
Enjoyable game for a neutral today.
Aspects of Tyrone's game aren't appealing, but the prospect of Enda Kenny jumping on a Sam Maguire winning bandwagon doesn't appeal much either.
In raw footballing terms, hats off to Mayo, who got a good test, even if the result was clear 15 minutes out.
Losing Peter Harte was a blow. Gormley was putting himself about, McGinley was up for it.
If you look at the slow mo you'll see it wasn't a foot block - ball hit his upper shin. Don't envy the task of a ref in today's game, but generally Deegan had a 'fair' game.
Hopefully Sam will head due west. Well deserved.
You do know the lad is a true gael and was the secretary (iirc) of his local local, right? He could hardly be accused of band-wagoning on this one.
Relaxez-vous. Just being facetious. Do I have to use smileys?
Didn't really strike me as particularly facetious.
Roll on the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:56:07 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:44:35 PM
O Shea went down holding his face - when in fact , no contact was made near his face
It can be buttered any way you like but it was blatant cheating !
What about Pascal hitting a man down? (simulating or for real).
What game you watching ? O Shea down ?
He's no shrinking violet.
O Connell went at him after the incident. Caught him between waist and shoulders and O Shea went down with both hands on face!
Cheat. Simulation. And not a word from the analyists that have every angle despite the slow motion replays
You can butter it whatever you want but O'Shea is a cheat !
Which game were you watching. O'Shea on his hands and knees and McConnell ran out to him and went for him. How the hell he did not get a yellow, is just another blackmark in the overall poor ref decisions throughout this game.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2013, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
That's the actual rule - did the player block or attempt to block with his foot? How on earth can you say he didn't?
There's no mention of endangering the kicker or any distances or no mention of Zulu's honest opinion in the rule book either as far as I can see.
So if you kick the ball and I block it with my foot 20 yards away, you get a free?
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:55:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
Saying you 'clearly' do is easy.
I've explained why it wasn't a foul you haven't managed to say why it was.
Well I posted after the Donegal match that Mayo needed a "dog" of a game and they certainly got it. Tyrone like I expected focussed on stopping Mayo from getting their customary good start that normally enabled them to have the match won by half time. Mayo regrouped, refocussed and won easily in the end.
In fact they won playing poorly for alot of the match. This was probably the best way they could have entered an AI final. If (as I suspect) Dublin will be their AI opponents then they wont go in as favorites based on today's performance.
For most of the first half today Mayo were all too easily dispossessed and forced in to shooting from angles that they shouldn't have been shooting from. In other words they allowed Tyrone to do to them what they've been doing to other teams all year.
The lazy analysis suggests that Mayo were frozen/nervous/anxious etc about the big occasion in the first half. Uncomfortable with the favorite's tag and so forth. I actually think it was the opposite. Mayo were over confident.... didn't show due respect to a proud but limited Tyrone side and were casual in their approach to the match. Coming off a performance where they blitzed the AI champions probably meant they entered today's match in an anti climatic (albeit subconscious) mode.
Once they engaged with their manager at half time where he presumably pointed out a "back to basics" 2nd half path to them they won pulling up. They pushed up... ran through the middle... supported each other.... shot on the run.... dominated midfield. In other words typical Mayo 2013.
The worries going in to the AI final....... most of their scores in this years championship have come from the supporting player off the shoulder of the player on the run. In order to execute this type of game plan you must be utterly dominant. During the first half today they were on the back foot and if you need scores in this type of situation you need your inside forwards to be creative and instinctive in order to magic scores out of nothing. That didnt happen for most of the first half as they were instead forced in to half shooting from impossible angles.
Cillian O'Connor has been an immense contributer to their 2013 scoring board to date. He can ghost in and make a point or very often a goal (as in Donegal match) out of nothing. If he has dislocated the same shoulder again he will be an inestimable loss.
I'm a huge fan of James Horan. I'm a huge fan of Andy Moran. But even in the Donegal match Andy was behind his man. In a tighter match like today he was even more so. Why did he remain on the field so long ? Is Andy the only achilles heel that James H has? Conroy (despite obvious sharpness due to lack of match practice) caused more problems for the opposition than Andy did in the last 2 matches. Conroy is a natural forward. Andy is a few months short of his return to best form. Conroy should start the AI final. Andy should be the impact sub.
Mayo are on the precipice of greatness. They really deserve this AI title. However in order to win it they will have to be at their level best for 70 minutes. I think they can tick this box. I certainly hope so.
PS Carney should not be commentating on matches involving Mayo. Fantastic player for Donegal and Mayo but unable to conceal his obvious bias.
2nd PS Tyrone can hold their heads high. Their 2013 model is a pale reflection of their 03-08 ones. They are in the process of merging young talent with experience. Yet for at least half of today's AI semi they were more than competitive. They are a great example of good attitude and maxing out to the best of your ability.
He was attempting to block with his foot though? It did hit him on the shin yes but it was an attempted foot block.
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:05:44 AM
TBF, The Green & Red of Mayo is a class song. Heard it all day and never got tired listening to it.
Yeah, the Tuam men can sing a good song about Mayo. Prefer Clare Island, though.
So what's your verdict on his double hand face holding exercise?
Missile from the crowd?
You can butter it whatever way you like, but O'Shea is a cheat ! And the 3 monkeys in the studio were afraid to go near it following Brolly's tirade on cavanagh previously!
Hypocrisy !
You are spot on there Ross Matt, good post!
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:05:44 AM
TBF, The Green & Red of Mayo is a class song. Heard it all day and never got tired listening to it.
Yeah, the Tuam men can sing a good song about Mayo. Prefer Clare Island, though.
Another Saw Doctors Classic
Galway and MayoHardly anyone had the tele'
It was a different kind of world
Heaven was a game of football
Before I ever kissed the girls
We used to go out driving
We'd travel near and far
Nearly every Sunday in me
Father's oul' ford car
He'd be pointing out the landmarks
Everywhere we'd go, through the
Twistings , turning , winding roads
Of Galway and Mayo
Me mother in the front seat
Children in the back
We'd be imagining Indians in the
Fields waiting to attack
And we'd be asking " are we nearly there?"
Wearing clothes that came
In a parcel from America,
The two of us the same
He'd be pointing........
There's a stillness in the summer
Air , sheep dog lying in the sun
Three young girls with butterfly nets
Break into a run
Now the time flies by like always
I've got my own boy right now
Like cowboys in the oul' corolla
We go and drive around
The land was let go lately
But I take him out that way
I show him where we cut the turf
And where we saved the hay
And I'll be pointing out
The landmarks .........
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:08:31 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2013, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
That's the actual rule - did the player block or attempt to block with his foot? How on earth can you say he didn't?
There's no mention of endangering the kicker or any distances or no mention of Zulu's honest opinion in the rule book either as far as I can see.
So if you kick the ball and I block it with my foot 20 yards away, you get a free?
If you kick the ball and I tap it down with my hands 20 yards away, is that a block?
You tell me?
good post Rossmatt
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 26, 2013, 12:08:49 AM
He was attempting to block with his foot though? It did hit him on the shin yes but it was an attempted foot block.
He was running to cover the space when the ball was kicked and it hit his shin. No block. The ball struck his upper shin.
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
So what's your verdict on his double hand face holding exercise?
Missile from the crowd?
You can butter it whatever way you like, but O'Shea is a cheat ! And the 3 monkeys in the studio were afraid to go near it following Brolly's tirade on cavanagh previously!
Hypocrisy !
You cannot point out O'Shea actions and ignore Mc'Connell's actions. Pascal could have walked the line never mind not even getting a yellow card.
Hardstation... Sing the Green and Red of Mayo everyday... rossmat, that was a great summary pof the match.
Well done Mayo. No complaints. Great supporters.
I thought they'd win by 6.
However - a wee chink in the armour. Best to see that now I suppose.
Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2013, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
That's the actual rule - did the player block or attempt to block with his foot? How on earth can you say he didn't?
There's no mention of endangering the kicker or any distances or no mention of Zulu's honest opinion in the rule book either as far as I can see.
So if you kick the ball and I block it with my foot 20 yards away, you get a free?
Well the rule is there and it's pretty clear. You implied that you knew the rule and you clearly don't, bringing your own interpretation of endangering the player and safe distances. The Mayo defender (cant remember who it was now) would never have been able to block the ball with his hands so he attempted to block it with his foot - that's not allowed so it was definitely a free kick (penalty). This prevented a clear goalscoring opportunity. In fact, according to the rule book the player should have been cautioned too.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 25, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
I cannot see anyone but mayo winning Sam. Mayo had Tyrone pegged after 25mins...
Played shocking and still win by 6 points...take it all day long.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:20:02 AM
Well done Mayo. No complaints. Great supporters.
I thought they'd win by 6.
However - a wee chink in the armour. Best to see that now I suppose.
Clashes with Tyrone are always good craic, league matches in Healy are always a pleasure.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
So what's your verdict on his double hand face holding exercise?
Missile from the crowd?
You can butter it whatever way you like, but O'Shea is a cheat ! And the 3 monkeys in the studio were afraid to go near it following Brolly's tirade on cavanagh previously!
Hypocrisy !
You cannot point out O'Shea actions and ignore Mc'Connell's actions. Pascal could have walked the line never mind not even getting a yellow card.
Yet again you fail to comment on the cowardly act from O'Shea, holding his face with both hands when in fact no contact was made near that region!
You can butter it whatever you want but O'Shea is a cheat !
OK Bensars... We get ya
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:21:15 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 25, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
I cannot see anyone but mayo winning Sam. Mayo had Tyrone pegged after 25mins...
Played shocking and still win by 6 points...take it all day long.
I honestly think it's Dublin's to lose, with Mayo second favourites and then Kerry.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:20:02 AM
Well done Mayo. No complaints. Great supporters.
I thought they'd win by 6.
However - a wee chink in the armour. Best to see that now I suppose.
Right back at ye, had a great chat with a lad from Dermot Carlin's club on the way up Clonliffe road, a gentleman.
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:21:47 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
So what's your verdict on his double hand face holding exercise?
Missile from the crowd?
You can butter it whatever way you like, but O'Shea is a cheat ! And the 3 monkeys in the studio were afraid to go near it following Brolly's tirade on cavanagh previously!
Hypocrisy !
You cannot point out O'Shea actions and ignore Mc'Connell's actions. Pascal could have walked the line never mind not even getting a yellow card.
Yet again you fail to comment on the cowardly act from O'Shea, holding his face with both hands when in fact no contact was made near that region!
You can butter it whatever you want but O'Shea is a cheat !
You fail to comment on the cowardly act of McConnell.
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:25:18 AM
I SAY BOOM BOOM BOOM, YOU'LL NEVER BEAT MAYO, MAYOOOO!
You would want to ease yourself into the Mayo support Hardstation, can you handle the pain?
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:25:18 AM
I SAY BOOM BOOM BOOM, YOU'LL NEVER BEAT MAYO, MAYOOOO!
Hardstation was aboard the Donegal gravy train last year, we'll take any omen we can get!! Welcome aboard!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 25, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Well done Mayo. Better side end of. Good luck in final.
However,
What was amazing was the complete omission of any viewpoint on Aiden o Sheas throat grab and subsequent cheating whereby he went down holding his face, when replays showed Packie mc Connell made no contact anywhere near his face ?
The previous week it was cynicism, coached at underage levels, permeating down to u-16 levels and a total blight on what was good in the game!
I find it totally incredulous that this incident should go unchallenged and totally hypocritical two weeks later upon previously whereby it was a total affront to western society that resulted in deformation of an individuals character!
You seemed to miss Pascal McConnell's third man attack of Aidan and he didn't even get booked.
O'Se made a tool of himself in that incident. But McConnell also was at fault for getting involved. However Tyrone can never expect to hold the high moral ground in these type of situations.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:24:41 AM
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So what's your verdict on his double hand face holding exercise?
Missile from the crowd?
You can butter it whatever way you like, but O'Shea is a cheat ! And the 3 monkeys in the studio were afraid to go near it following Brolly's tirade on cavanagh previously!
Hypocrisy !
You cannot point out O'Shea actions and ignore Mc'Connell's actions. Pascal could have walked the line never mind not even getting a yellow card.
Yet again you fail to comment on the cowardly act from O'Shea, holding his face with both hands when in fact no contact was made near that region!
You can butter it whatever you want but O'Shea is a cheat !
You fail to comment on the cowardly act of McConnell.
No problem commenting at all. Silly and could have been booked.
However what I find incredulous is this total ignorance to O Sheas antics that 2 weeks ago were a blight on the game. Cavanagh was crucified for fouling a player to stop a goal.
While o Shea goes down feigning an injury to face and no comment whatsoever?
Lets call a spade a spade, O Shea cheated big style and the camera caught him at it!
Deegan had a bad, bad game. He reffed arrogantly.
The 2 bounces for Mayo's first point of the second half stank of ineptitude. The penalty was incorrect. But he was equally harsh on Mayo. Their goal should have stood.
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:27:09 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:25:18 AM
I SAY BOOM BOOM BOOM, YOU'LL NEVER BEAT MAYO, MAYOOOO!
You would want to ease yourself into the Mayo support Hardstation, can you handle the pain?
I have supported Antrim my whole life...
Not as many false dawns I would suggest.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:24:18 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:20:02 AM
Well done Mayo. No complaints. Great supporters.
I thought they'd win by 6.
However - a wee chink in the armour. Best to see that now I suppose.
Right back at ye, had a great chat with a lad from Dermot Carlin's club on the way up Clonliffe road, a gentleman.
I had a chat with a Mayo wan who never was at Croke Park before and wanted to know where the Hill was, whether the 'senior or minor' game was on first and during each game how long each one was going to be.
At least she had a little lad decked out in Rhubarb regalia but, still.
Oh, I did get a wink from St. Pat though, so that was good.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:30:31 AM
Deegan had a bad, bad game. He reffed arrogantly.
The 2 bounces for Mayo's first point of the second half stank of ineptitude. The penalty was incorrect. But he was equally harsh on Mayo. Their goal should have stood.
100%
He reminded me of Uriah Rennie, I was expecting him to send O'Shea or Sean Cavanagh off for the publicity to be honest during the game.
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:30:31 AM
Deegan had a bad, bad game. He reffed arrogantly.
The 2 bounces for Mayo's first point of the second half stank of ineptitude. The penalty was incorrect. But he was equally harsh on Mayo. Their goal should have stood.
To be fair, he blew the whistle long before it was a goal scoring opportunity. He couldn't just say "I didn't blow there lads".
He was wrong to blow it. That was my point. What did he blow for?
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:30:31 AM
Deegan had a bad, bad game. He reffed arrogantly.
The 2 bounces for Mayo's first point of the second half stank of ineptitude. The penalty was incorrect. But he was equally harsh on Mayo. Their goal should have stood.
Did Joe not stop tackling and look towards the ref when he heard the whistle? He half heartedly kept a tackle going but he was clearly looking at the ref as he had heard the whistle. There was no guarantee that a goal would have been scored had the whistle not gone.
Well done Mayo. From after the first twenty they were a long way the better team. Tyrone did well to put it up to them and they did much better this year than could have been expected. Hope Mayo can go on and put the bogey to rest. Mayo for Sam!
P.S. must say I find it very funny to read Tyrone supporters complaining about Aidan O'Shea. Sure none of their players ever took a dive or feigned injury to get an opposition player booked or sent off!
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:29:37 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:24:41 AM
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
So what's your verdict on his double hand face holding exercise?
Missile from the crowd?
You can butter it whatever way you like, but O'Shea is a cheat ! And the 3 monkeys in the studio were afraid to go near it following Brolly's tirade on cavanagh previously!
Hypocrisy !
You cannot point out O'Shea actions and ignore Mc'Connell's actions. Pascal could have walked the line never mind not even getting a yellow card.
Yet again you fail to comment on the cowardly act from O'Shea, holding his face with both hands when in fact no contact was made near that region!
You can butter it whatever you want but O'Shea is a cheat !
You fail to comment on the cowardly act of McConnell.
No problem commenting at all. Silly and could have been booked.
However what I find incredulous is this total ignorance to O Sheas antics that 2 weeks ago were a blight on the game. Cavanagh was crucified for fouling a player to stop a goal.
While o Shea goes down feigning an injury to face and no comment whatsoever?
Lets call a spade a spade, O Shea cheated big style and the camera caught him at it!
O'Shea got booked and therefore received his punishment, Mc'Connell should receive a punishment from the CCC, but as with teams who lose he will probably get away with it.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 26, 2013, 12:36:14 AM
Well done Mayo. From after the first twenty they were a long way the better team. Tyrone did well to put it up to them and they did much better this year than could have been expected. Hope Mayo can go on and put the bogey to rest. Mayo for Sam!
P.S. much say I find it very funny to read Tyrone supporters complaining about Aidan O'Shea. Sure none of their players ever took a dive or feigned injury to get an opposition player booked or sent off!
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Yes and the Tyrone players (quite rightly) get hauled over the coals for it - I think that's the point though, there's hardly a mention of these incidents when it happens elsewhere.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 12:20:55 AM
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Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
That's the actual rule - did the player block or attempt to block with his foot? How on earth can you say he didn't?
There's no mention of endangering the kicker or any distances or no mention of Zulu's honest opinion in the rule book either as far as I can see.
So if you kick the ball and I block it with my foot 20 yards away, you get a free?
Well the rule is there and it's pretty clear. You implied that you knew the rule and you clearly don't, bringing your own interpretation of endangering the player and safe distances. The Mayo defender (cant remember who it was now) would never have been able to block the ball with his hands so he attempted to block it with his foot - that's not allowed so it was definitely a free kick (penalty). This prevented a clear goalscoring opportunity. In fact, according to the rule book the player should have been cautioned too.
So you can't answer the question? I'm afraid you don't understand the rule even partially. Grasping at straws trying to claim that was a penalty and a booking are you having a laugh??
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
Barrett and Carolan were brilliant. Cunniffe shoulder on Harte was immense, unfortunately Harte picked up an injury from his fall.
To think Barrett's point in the first half coming up from deep in the Mayo defense to score the point that started the Mayo comeback.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:36:28 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:29:37 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:24:41 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:21:47 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 26, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
So what's your verdict on his double hand face holding exercise?
Missile from the crowd?
You can butter it whatever way you like, but O'Shea is a cheat ! And the 3 monkeys in the studio were afraid to go near it following Brolly's tirade on cavanagh previously!
Hypocrisy !
You cannot point out O'Shea actions and ignore Mc'Connell's actions. Pascal could have walked the line never mind not even getting a yellow card.
Yet again you fail to comment on the cowardly act from O'Shea, holding his face with both hands when in fact no contact was made near that region!
You can butter it whatever you want but O'Shea is a cheat !
You fail to comment on the cowardly act of McConnell.
No problem commenting at all. Silly and could have been booked.
However what I find incredulous is this total ignorance to O Sheas antics that 2 weeks ago were a blight on the game. Cavanagh was crucified for fouling a player to stop a goal.
While o Shea goes down feigning an injury to face and no comment whatsoever?
Lets call a spade a spade, O Shea cheated big style and the camera caught him at it!
O'Shea got booked and therefore received his punishment, Mc'Connell should receive a punishment from the CCC, but as with teams who lose he will probably get away with it.
Did o Shea cheat when both hands went to face despite no contact to that region ?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:39:43 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
Barrett and Carolan were brilliant. Cunniffe shoulder on Harte was immense, unfortunately Harte picked up an injury from his fall.
To think Barrett's point in the first half coming up from deep in the Mayo defense to score the point that started the Mayo comeback.
Cunniffe's hamstring is still bothering him too. Carolan came on when the gloss was being applied so I would be too effusive in my praise but I agree with the rest.
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:37:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:35:06 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:30:31 AM
Deegan had a bad, bad game. He reffed arrogantly.
The 2 bounces for Mayo's first point of the second half stank of ineptitude. The penalty was incorrect. But he was equally harsh on Mayo. Their goal should have stood.
To be fair, he blew the whistle long before it was a goal scoring opportunity. He couldn't just say "I didn't blow there lads".
He was wrong to blow it. That was my point. What did he blow for?
He reckoned Gormley fouled. He didn't but that's really neither here nor there. He had blown.
What? It's not here nor there if he was wrong?
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
And surely Seamie O'Se Ballinaman?
Quote from: ross matt on August 26, 2013, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
And surely Seamie O'Se Ballinaman?
I don't think there was much unsung about his performance today.
Also, spare a thought for Cillian O'Connor.
Currently in the Mater Hospital. Poor lad, will have the shoulder stabilisation surgery in the next few days. Happened right infront of me, he did approx 4 hours of shockingly monotonous rehab to get himself back on the pitch for the rest of the summer.
Quote from: ross matt on August 26, 2013, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
And surely Seamie O'Se Ballinaman?
Yep, he be more of the sung heroes today though!
Quote from: ross matt on August 26, 2013, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
And surely Seamie O'Se Ballinaman?
He was better than Aidan today.
What I'm loving about this Mayo team over the last two seasons, esp. this year as players get injured or not perform at their upper potential a new set of players or subs take up the mantle. Bomber Liston and others argue we need marque players but surely it is better to have 20+ lads you can rely on rather than falling apart if the 2-3 stars fail to perform. The Mayo bench keeps giving and lads are able to multitask across positions.
Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2013, 12:39:18 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
That's the actual rule - did the player block or attempt to block with his foot? How on earth can you say he didn't?
There's no mention of endangering the kicker or any distances or no mention of Zulu's honest opinion in the rule book either as far as I can see.
So if you kick the ball and I block it with my foot 20 yards away, you get a free?
Well the rule is there and it's pretty clear. You implied that you knew the rule and you clearly don't, bringing your own interpretation of endangering the player and safe distances. The Mayo defender (cant remember who it was now) would never have been able to block the ball with his hands so he attempted to block it with his foot - that's not allowed so it was definitely a free kick (penalty). This prevented a clear goalscoring opportunity. In fact, according to the rule book the player should have been cautioned too.
So you can't answer the question? I'm afraid you don't understand the rule even partially. Grasping at straws trying to claim that was a penalty and a booking are you having a laugh??
Was it 20 yards away? Read the rule again and explain the bit I'm missing, im not trying to be argumentative here, i just genuinely can't see how you think the player didn't attempt to block the ball with is foot so there's no real point in me arguing the point any further. Anyway, its neither here nor there now and a penalty probably would only have prolonged the pain as Mayo were very much on top and clearly the better team.
Just for your info though (yes I am sad enough to have the GAA rule book saved as a favourite)
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
5.23 To prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by striking an opponent's hand, arm, foot or leg with the boot.
5.24 To engage in any other form of rough play.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution the offender; order off for second cautionable foul.
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:42:15 AM
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Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:30:31 AM
Deegan had a bad, bad game. He reffed arrogantly.
The 2 bounces for Mayo's first point of the second half stank of ineptitude. The penalty was incorrect. But he was equally harsh on Mayo. Their goal should have stood.
To be fair, he blew the whistle long before it was a goal scoring opportunity. He couldn't just say "I didn't blow there lads".
He was wrong to blow it. That was my point. What did he blow for?
He reckoned Gormley fouled. He didn't but that's really neither here nor there. He had blown.
What? It's not here nor there if he was wrong?
It is in terms of the goal standing. If anything he gave a free in which was never a free in. Tyrone should be pissed off.
It was a goal scoring opportunity as soon as Gormley was gone.
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:52:47 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:37:39 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 12:30:31 AM
Deegan had a bad, bad game. He reffed arrogantly.
The 2 bounces for Mayo's first point of the second half stank of ineptitude. The penalty was incorrect. But he was equally harsh on Mayo. Their goal should have stood.
To be fair, he blew the whistle long before it was a goal scoring opportunity. He couldn't just say "I didn't blow there lads".
He was wrong to blow it. That was my point. What did he blow for?
He reckoned Gormley fouled. He didn't but that's really neither here nor there. He had blown.
What? It's not here nor there if he was wrong?
It is in terms of the goal standing. If anything he gave a free in which was never a free in. Tyrone should be pissed off.
It is a unique decision as in both Mayo and Tyrone both should feel aggrieved.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 12:52:13 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Not even related to a penalty. You don't know what a foot block is if you think it was a free.
You don't know what a free is if you think that was a legitimate block.
I clearly do but you don't. It isn't even a debate though you've yourself convinced something happened which didn't.
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
That's the actual rule - did the player block or attempt to block with his foot? How on earth can you say he didn't?
There's no mention of endangering the kicker or any distances or no mention of Zulu's honest opinion in the rule book either as far as I can see.
So if you kick the ball and I block it with my foot 20 yards away, you get a free?
Well the rule is there and it's pretty clear. You implied that you knew the rule and you clearly don't, bringing your own interpretation of endangering the player and safe distances. The Mayo defender (cant remember who it was now) would never have been able to block the ball with his hands so he attempted to block it with his foot - that's not allowed so it was definitely a free kick (penalty). This prevented a clear goalscoring opportunity. In fact, according to the rule book the player should have been cautioned too.
So you can't answer the question? I'm afraid you don't understand the rule even partially. Grasping at straws trying to claim that was a penalty and a booking are you having a laugh??
Was it 20 yards away? Read the rule again, I'm sorry, im not trying to be argumentative here, i just genuinely can't see how you think the player didn't attempt to block the ball with is foot so there's no real point in me arguing the point any further. Anyway, its neither here nor there now and a penalty probably would only have prolonged the pain as Mayo were very much on top and clearly the better team.
Just for your info though (yes I am sad enough to have the GAA rule book saved as a favourite)
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
5.23 To prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by striking an opponent's hand, arm, foot or leg with the boot.
5.24 To engage in any other form of rough play.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution the offender; order off for second cautionable foul.
If you take rule 5.22 at face value then blocking a kick ball with your foot is foul even if you are 20 yards away, that's clearly nonsense. Your right, it didn't change anything but the ref was correct not to give a free for it as it wasn't a foot block. I'll leave it at that as II'm not going to convince you otherwise .
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: ross matt on August 26, 2013, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Unsung heroes of the day BTW...
1. Cunniffe
2.Barrett
3.Carolan
And surely Seamie O'Se Ballinaman?
He was better than Aidan today.
What I'm loving about this Mayo team over the last two seasons, esp. this year as players get injured or not perform at their upper potential a new set of players or subs take up the mantle. Bomber Liston and others argue we need marque players but surely it is better to have 20+ lads you can rely on rather than falling apart if the 2-3 stars fail to perform. The Mayo bench keeps giving and lads are able to multitask across positions.
Completely agree. I think that particular trait define's this Mayo panel and Horan's management team. Probably why (apart from provincial allegiances or sentimental reasons) most neutrals want ye to to win Sam this season.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 12:52:13 AM
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
5.23 To prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by striking an opponent's hand, arm, foot or leg with the boot.
5.24 To engage in any other form of rough play.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution the offender; order off for second cautionable foul.
It's only a foot block if you block the the foot or the natural arc of where the foot is going. The foot wasn't blocked or the natural arc where the foot was going wasn't blocked, the ball which was by then at least a yard away from the natural arc of the foot was what was blocked.
So, not a foot block, not a foul.
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True Rossie class.
Quote from: Sidney on August 26, 2013, 01:02:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 12:52:13 AM
5.22 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
5.23 To prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by striking an opponent's hand, arm, foot or leg with the boot.
5.24 To engage in any other form of rough play.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution the offender; order off for second cautionable foul.
It's only a foot block if you block the the foot or the natural arc of where the foot is going. The foot wasn't blocked or the natural arc where the foot was going wasn't blocked, the ball which was by then at least a yard away from the natural arc of the foot was what was blocked.
So, not a foot block, not a foul.
Ah man, I give up on this one - natural arcs? FFS!
5 secs?
1.5 secs
Firstly congratulations to Mayo fully deserving of their victory today. Mayo showed they have the gears to go on and win an All Ireland. I felt that Maurice Deegan had an awful day today. His decisions throughout were inconsistent . The frees awarded to Mayo for their first 3 scores were dreadfully poor. The free awarded to Mayo and the cancellation of Mayos goal was mind boggling. His decision for the penalty was soft and outside the area and had a massive bearing on the outcome of the game. I really think it's time that the Gaa radically looks at how our games are refereed.
On the game itself Mayos second half performance showed tremendous determination and skill to come through a great test of their credentials today and passed with flying colours.
On Tyrone I was extremely pleased with how they performed. Tyrone look like a team who needed that experience on what is required to win these big games and I have seen enough to believe there is an all ireland or two in them.
But today is Mayos and I sincerely hope that they now go on and win it. I think they really need that level of game today which will stand to them in a few weeks time. Good luck in the final.
Come on Mayo
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 01:05:16 AM
Ah man, I give up on this one - natural arcs? FFS!
Well, do explain your view of the rule in less flowery language, so.
If a shot is blocked by a foot 20 yards away from the player who struck the ball, do you think that's a foot block?
If the player is 1 yard away, is it a foot block?
What do you think?
Interesting stat - it was 0-10 apiece from play today!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
Interesting stat - it was 0-10 apiece from play today!
That statistic really does show up Tyrone's fouling tactics, doesn't it?
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:05:25 AM
5 secs?
1.5 secs
Ye can't go back on a free in ffs. The fact that it wasn't a free doesn't matter a jot.
'Tis like Conor McManus getting up and putting it in the net.
He was wrong to call a free.
Quote from: Sidney on August 26, 2013, 01:13:49 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
Interesting stat - it was 0-10 apiece from play today!
That statistic really does show up Tyrone's fouling tactics, doesn't it?
It sure does Sidney. And nothing to do with inept refereeing. ::)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
Interesting stat - it was 0-10 apiece from play today!
Took Mayo over thirty minutes to score from play if they do that in the final it will be up hill task.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:05:25 AM
5 secs?
1.5 secs
Ye can't go back on a free in ffs. The fact that it wasn't a free doesn't matter a jot.
'Tis like Conor McManus getting up and putting it in the net.
He was wrong to call a free.
Yes. Tyrone should have lost by 5.
Oh, aye, they missed it......justice.
Would've been a goal +3
Wasn't a penalty - 3
Was a free +1
2 bounces -1
Not all doom and gloom for Tyrone. The age profile of this team is very young, today will stand to a lot of the lads. McCurry, Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey, Coney, P.Harte, Conor Clarke, Mattie Donnelly, Ryan McKenna, Niall Morgan are all 22 or under. Bodes well for the future. I think today showed how important Morgan is going to be for us. In these chess matches where kick out placement is paramount; Packie struggled heavily. Whereas Rob Hennelly was able to consistently and accurately hit the wings. Best of luck to Mayo in the final, I hope you win but I have the feeling Cillian O'Connor missing could be too big a blow.
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:26:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:21:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:18:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:05:25 AM
5 secs?
1.5 secs
Ye can't go back on a free in ffs. The fact that it wasn't a free doesn't matter a jot.
'Tis like Conor McManus getting up and putting it in the net.
He was wrong to call a free.
Yes. Tyrone should have lost by 5.
Oh, aye, they missed it......justice.
Would've been a goal +3
Wasn't a penalty - 3
Was a free +1
2 bounces -1
Had the ref not blown a free.....who knows....
Wasn't a pelanty -3
Was a pelanty for Tyrone + 3
3 early Mayo soft frees -3
etc
So ref =
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:28:57 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:26:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:21:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:18:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:05:25 AM
5 secs?
1.5 secs
Ye can't go back on a free in ffs. The fact that it wasn't a free doesn't matter a jot.
'Tis like Conor McManus getting up and putting it in the net.
He was wrong to call a free.
Yes. Tyrone should have lost by 5.
Oh, aye, they missed it......justice.
Would've been a goal +3
Wasn't a penalty - 3
Was a free +1
2 bounces -1
Had the ref not blown a free.....who knows....
Wasn't a pelanty -3
Was a pelanty for Tyrone + 3
3 early Mayo soft frees -3
etc
So ref = A BOLLIX
How does an intercounty referee manage to miss not one but two double bounces in an all ireland semi. Colm Boyle on 33min 35 sec. And then seamus o sheas for Mayo first point second half. Such basic errors by officals should not be tolerated Deegan should not be allowed to officiate at this level. It won't surprise me if they give him tge final.
Shane, hard station is right. The referee blew for the free. Rightly or wrongly doesn't really matter, at that stage the play was dead. Seriously unbelievable the amount of talk here about an non event.
don't understand why sean Cavanagh didn't try going in at full forward in the second half for ten minutes. just to what happened.
I found myself cheering tyrone yesterday :o
cant stand mayo I just know Dublin or Kerry will tear a new hole in their arses
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2013, 04:28:07 AM
Shane, hard station is right. The referee blew for the free. Rightly or wrongly doesn't really matter, at that stage the play was dead. Seriously unbelievable the amount of talk here about an non event.
What do you mean rightly or wrongly? I was highlighting another example of Deegan's ineptitude. He was wrong, totally wrong, to blow for a non-existent foul which prevented a serious goal scoring opportunity.
Gaelic Football when played between 2 good teams is about momentum for the winners. Either team let loose will destroy the other in their spell.The referee did not let tyrone take advantage of the momentum and dominance and kept Mayo in touch, this was not reciprocated later in the game. I heard the term arrogance being used to describe the performance. It was as if his mind was made up as to what was to happen before it happened and there was to be no changing. Hence the Mayo free when they could have had a goal, but bear in mind Tyrone had stopped. A different referee and O Shea was off the field also. But back to the game and what Tyrone could have done to win it..
The loss of Stevie O Neill and Harte was ultimately disastrous. Despite some nice points. The work rate from the full forward line wasnt up to scratch hence the opening point from play after 32mins - ironically young Coney improved this but the game was over.
Tyrone were carrying 6 - 7 subs in their programme who would have been more or less making their debut had they been brought into action, in other words they probably shouldnt have been there or we should have seen more that them over the year. I wonder what some of the lads on their last legs think of this idea of giving them bench experience for next year. Next year is a never never. Tyrone have got to few enough semifinals to have this attitude. There are a number of footballers who need to thanked and let go, they have been injured perennially over the last few years and are now starting to look like they are a poor investment in time, focus and physio bills - sometimes the body just isnt fit for county demands and management need to look at this.. Tyrone need to pick proven fit men for their panel next year. The onus should be on footballers to prove their strength and athletic capability for the rigours of a season. I feel our management could communicate better with clubs going forward and guys should rehabilitate with their clubs until they are fit to return for their county. Sean Cavanagh must also be made captain - I think he has earned it more than anyone.
I sincerely hope Mayo push on now. They still start games weak and had Tyrone been allowed to push further in front the result would have been the same as last years final. . I fear that Mayo are still a confidence team and that can be fragile enough at times particularly when they are on front of goals They must work on that. They are a class act in full flow, but they will not get kind punditry or refereeing V Dubs or Kerry. I also fear that their best team isnt starting and there are no room for passengers on and off the field. Their supporters are a class act and iits up to the team to deliver for them. Horan has the makings of an ai winning manager, I hope they do it and I will be there to cheer them on, having seen them beat in 6 finals previously, I swore I would never go back but this year might be different. On a lesser note I watched on as a so called steward giving dogs abuse to Tyrone fans in front of me being totally unprofessional and antagonising, totally buying the rte line, and instead of doing his job creating a potential problem. This will be the ultimate legacy of rte punditry - a lack of respect for Tyrone football people. Amongst other things do these guys get paid? What happens when the steward at some point gets a well deserved slap for their auld guff.
Finally it was a decent season for Tyrone football. No silverware but a top 4 finish and it was highly enjoyable, as Tyrone folk we thank our management and players for their hard work, and new plans can be hatched in time.
We might get another 40 pages out of the ref.
And then the punditry.
Both Aidan o se and Sean Cavanagh could have got straight reds but ended up lying on the ground receiving treatment after their indiscretions/reckless challenges.
In my view McConnells intervention was particularly stupid as it created an element of "noise" after the o se challenge.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 26, 2013, 08:49:49 AM
Both Aidan o se and Sean Cavanagh could have got straight reds but ended up lying on the ground receiving treatment after their indiscretions/reckless challenges.
In my view McConnells intervention was particularly stupid as it created an element of "noise" after the o se challenge.
Agree, both could have got straight reds, though both would have been harsh IMO. Yellow for each probably the fair call.
No idea why Deegan ignored the Cavanagh one
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
HAH
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 07:23:24 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2013, 04:28:07 AM
Shane, hard station is right. The referee blew for the free. Rightly or wrongly doesn't really matter, at that stage the play was dead. Seriously unbelievable the amount of talk here about an non event.
What do you mean rightly or wrongly? I was highlighting another example of Deegan's ineptitude. He was wrong, totally wrong, to blow for a non-existent foul which prevented a serious goal scoring opportunity.
It should have been a free out for a push in the back when the ball came in anyway. Deegan is such a poor ref he couldn't hide that he was supposed to get Mayo through. It was as biased a refereeing performance as I've seen in a long time.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 26, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
HAH
It was some reference to artificial insemination made under pressure.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 25, 2013, 10:17:10 PM
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 25, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 25, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Looks like BCB quite enjoyed watching Peter Harte getting injured! ::)
f**k up you ye p***k. I said it was a great example of the shoulder charge and that is by both players. I never said anything about enjoying seeing a lad injured. You really are an idiot.
you can only shoulder to shoulder tackle if the player is in posession, Peter Harte was not in posession.
It would have been a great shoulder if Harte had been in possession of the ball, but it was about two meters away, so it should have been a yellow card.
Utter nonsense, a perfect challenge in a physical game. The exact kind of physicality we want in the game.
Familiarise yourself with the rule before spouting off:
Provided he has at least one foot on the
ground, a player may make a shoulder to
shoulder charge on an opponent:-
(a) who is in possession of the ball, or
(b) who is playing the ball other than when kicking it, or
(c) when both players are moving in the
direction of the ball to play it.
QuoteQuote from: highorlow on August 25, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
As predicted closer than most Mayo posters made it to be. We got out of jail today and no disrespect to Tyrone but if that was Dublin in the 1st half playing in their home pitch than I think we were codswalloped.
Sam is Dublins to lose now.
p.s. fair play to Tyrone fans for staying on and applauding their team until the end. Ye are true gaels.
A mayo man crying out for underdog status, talk about pathetic! Mayo have been the best team in the country this summer and will win the final handy ! Time for ye to show some confidence in them
The aul favorites tag didn't suit yesterday in the first half. It won't be me setting the odds. This might sound even more pathetic to you but I would be more confident in the team if we were going into the final as slight underdogs.
(c) when both players are moving in the
direction of the ball to play it.
This allows players to shoulder when neither are in possession of the ball but are in chase to get there.
I know it's not helping but I thought it was a foot block. The defendery moved his foot towards the ball to block. If I was refereeing I would have given it!
A good performance from about 25 mins onwards. They will look hard at the video to figure out what went wrong in the first 25 as that can't be allowed to happen again.
I can understand the comments on the ref, I thought he was chronic from a Mayo POV. TSG clearly demonstrated why Tyrone are entitled to feel aggrieved with him too. That takes some talent, to piss everyone off.
For Freeman's disallowed goal I saw the refs hand up and feared the worst. The penalty was just outside but definitely was a free.
The foot block discussion here is hilarious. The normal interpretation of the rule is that if your foot block the ball just as the kicker is striking it from the hand, then it is a free and instinctively players know it is dangerous as you could break the other player's foot. Kicking the ball off another player's foot or leg is a different thing.
Reading the rule it doesn't disagree with the above. The issue isn't distance, it is time. 'When the ball is kicked from the hand' (or whatever the wording is) means at that instant, or exactly as the ball is being kicked.
"you can only shoulder to shoulder tackle if the player is in possession"
What about two players running for a loose ball? Can they shoulder each other?
Must comment on the Tyrone fans who I thought were great before, during and after the match.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2013, 10:32:13 AM
A good performance from about 25 mins onwards. They will look hard at the video to figure out what went wrong in the first 25 as that can't be allowed to happen again.
I can understand the comments on the ref, I thought he was chronic from a Mayo POV. TSG clearly demonstrated why Tyrone are entitled to feel aggrieved with him too. That takes some talent, to piss everyone off.
For Freeman's disallowed goal I saw the refs hand up and feared the worst. The penalty was just outside but definitely was a free.
The foot block discussion here is hilarious. The normal interpretation of the rule is that if your foot block the ball just as the kicker is striking it from the hand, then it is a free and instinctively players know it is dangerous as you could break the other player's foot. Kicking the ball off another player's foot or leg is a different thing.
Reading the rule it doesn't disagree with the above. The issue isn't distance, it is time. 'When the ball is kicked from the hand' (or whatever the wording is) means at that instant, or exactly as the ball is being kicked.
"you can only shoulder to shoulder tackle if the player is in possession"
What about two players running for a loose ball? Can they shoulder each other?
Must comment on the Tyrone fans who I thought were great before, during and after the match.
The main thing was to win, Muppet. Better to have things to work on than to go in overconfident.
I liked Horan's post match interview. Grinding, grinding
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0825/470237-horan/
Once they get into the rhythm they are very good.
Deegan was a disgrace yesterday towards Tyrone.
It's bad when even he Sunday game highlight it.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2013, 10:32:13 AM
A good performance from about 25 mins onwards. They will look hard at the video to figure out what went wrong in the first 25 as that can't be allowed to happen again.
I can understand the comments on the ref, I thought he was chronic from a Mayo POV. TSG clearly demonstrated why Tyrone are entitled to feel aggrieved with him too. That takes some talent, to piss everyone off.
For Freeman's disallowed goal I saw the refs hand up and feared the worst. The penalty was just outside but definitely was a free.
The foot block discussion here is hilarious. The normal interpretation of the rule is that if your foot block the ball just as the kicker is striking it from the hand, then it is a free and instinctively players know it is dangerous as you could break the other player's foot. Kicking the ball off another player's foot or leg is a different thing.
Reading the rule it doesn't disagree with the above. The issue isn't distance, it is time. 'When the ball is kicked from the hand' (or whatever the wording is) means at that instant, or exactly as the ball is being kicked.
"you can only shoulder to shoulder tackle if the player is in possession"
What about two players running for a loose ball? Can they shoulder each other?
Must comment on the Tyrone fans who I thought were great before, during and after the match.
Can't have been posters on Gaa Board then.
QuoteDeegan was a disgrace yesterday towards Tyrone.
It's bad when even he Sunday game highlight it.
A lot of talk about footblocks and penalties.
Some dodgy looking pick ups by Tyrone that weren't spotted and looked punishable, particularly for the 2nd point and either their 6th or 7th one.
Mayo did get a lot of 'soft' frees early on.
On the game itself all players contibuted in some fashion but in particular Seamus O'Shea who had some 2nd half along with Keith Higgins.
As a great servant as he was Big Packie should call it a day, slow poderous and some awful kickouts, there were at least two points he could have pulled off the crossbar too but instead knocked them over
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Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2013, 10:46:32 PM
When is a foot block not a foot block ?
Can anyone familiar with the rules clear this one up ?
I found this
"5.17 To block or attempt to block with the boot
when an opponent is kicking the ball from the
hand(s)."
Somebody else clarified that it has to be deemed dangerous play.
My reckoning is just that rule you quoted. You can't stick yer boot out to try and block a kick.
So was Martin Carney right ? It hit the Mayo lad's leg so it was not a foul ? It has to be the boot that makes contact with the ball when you put your boot in the way of the ball ?
It's a bad rule.
It's a daft rule, surely there is a huge difference between a lad using his boot to block a kick from hand from a distance of less than half metre to someone that is 2-3 metres away from the player kicking the ball.
It's not a daft rule, but some people (including refs) have daft, dogmatic, black and white interpretations of that rule.
It's the nature of the rules covering dangerous play that the ref has to interpret the incident to see if it constitutes dangerous play.
The rule does need to be expanded to cover dangerous foot blocks that happen in the game when the ball is not just being kicked from the hands, incidents which the refs (incorrectly?) do blow up for a foul.
The ref was quite correct not to regard that incident yesterday as an aggressive foul.
Quote from: ross matt on August 26, 2013, 12:08:15 AM
Well I posted after the Donegal match that Mayo needed a "dog" of a game and they certainly got it. Tyrone like I expected focussed on stopping Mayo from getting their customary good start that normally enabled them to have the match won by half time. Mayo regrouped, refocussed and won easily in the end.
In fact they won playing poorly for alot of the match. This was probably the best way they could have entered an AI final. If (as I suspect) Dublin will be their AI opponents then they wont go in as favorites based on today's performance.
For most of the first half today Mayo were all too easily dispossessed and forced in to shooting from angles that they shouldn't have been shooting from. In other words they allowed Tyrone to do to them what they've been doing to other teams all year.
The lazy analysis suggests that Mayo were frozen/nervous/anxious etc about the big occasion in the first half. Uncomfortable with the favorite's tag and so forth. I actually think it was the opposite. Mayo were over confident.... didn't show due respect to a proud but limited Tyrone side and were casual in their approach to the match. Coming off a performance where they blitzed the AI champions probably meant they entered today's match in an anti climatic (albeit subconscious) mode.
Once they engaged with their manager at half time where he presumably pointed out a "back to basics" 2nd half path to them they won pulling up. They pushed up... ran through the middle... supported each other.... shot on the run.... dominated midfield. In other words typical Mayo 2013.
The worries going in to the AI final....... most of their scores in this years championship have come from the supporting player off the shoulder of the player on the run. In order to execute this type of game plan you must be utterly dominant. During the first half today they were on the back foot and if you need scores in this type of situation you need your inside forwards to be creative and instinctive in order to magic scores out of nothing. That didnt happen for most of the first half as they were instead forced in to half shooting from impossible angles.
Cillian O'Connor has been an immense contributer to their 2013 scoring board to date. He can ghost in and make a point or very often a goal (as in Donegal match) out of nothing. If he has dislocated the same shoulder again he will be an inestimable loss.
I'm a huge fan of James Horan. I'm a huge fan of Andy Moran. But even in the Donegal match Andy was behind his man. In a tighter match like today he was even more so. Why did he remain on the field so long ? Is Andy the only achilles heel that James H has? Conroy (despite obvious sharpness due to lack of match practice) caused more problems for the opposition than Andy did in the last 2 matches. Conroy is a natural forward. Andy is a few months short of his return to best form. Conroy should start the AI final. Andy should be the impact sub.
Mayo are on the precipice of greatness. They really deserve this AI title. However in order to win it they will have to be at their level best for 70 minutes. I think they can tick this box. I certainly hope so.
PS Carney should not be commentating on matches involving Mayo. Fantastic player for Donegal and Mayo but unable to conceal his obvious bias.
2nd PS Tyrone can hold their heads high. Their 2013 model is a pale reflection of their 03-08 ones. They are in the process of merging young talent with experience. Yet for at least half of today's AI semi they were more than competitive. They are a great example of good attitude and maxing out to the best of your ability.
Excellent post RM.
Mickey Harte wasn't happy about the tackle on Peter Harte... it looks perfect to me!
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Rather than blame the ref or the Mayo man I'd be screaming at the man who played such a hospital pass!!
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 26, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
As a great servant as he was Big Packie should call it a day, slow poderous and some awful kickouts, there were at least two points he could have pulled off the crossbar too but instead knocked them over
I thought that myself.
A man his size should be catching them.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2013, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 26, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
As a great servant as he was Big Packie should call it a day, slow poderous and some awful kickouts, there were at least two points he could have pulled off the crossbar too but instead knocked them over
I thought that myself.
A man his size should be catching them.
Indeed looked like he was carrying a back injury of some sorts, because he couldnt rise off the ground at all ......................ah well
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2013, 11:24:39 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 26, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2013, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 26, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
As a great servant as he was Big Packie should call it a day, slow poderous and some awful kickouts, there were at least two points he could have pulled off the crossbar too but instead knocked them over
I thought that myself.
A man his size should be catching them.
He is a terrible goalkeeper. No chance that clown could save a penalty. but his kickouts are woeful. So slow and clueless, more often than not he puts the player in serious bother when he goes short. There are three or four much better keepers than him in the county. Morgan was a massive loss this year.
Indeed looked like he was carrying a back injury of some sorts, because he couldnt rise off the ground at all ......................ah well
One in particular looked like he had jumped far too early and was back on the ground by the time the ball reached him.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 08:30:39 AM
Gaelic Football when played between 2 good teams is about momentum for the winners. Either team let loose will destroy the other in their spell.The referee did not let tyrone take advantage of the momentum and dominance and kept Mayo in touch, this was not reciprocated later in the game. I heard the term arrogance being used to describe the performance. It was as if his mind was made up as to what was to happen before it happened and there was to be no changing. Hence the Mayo free when they could have had a goal, but bear in mind Tyrone had stopped. A different referee and O Shea was off the field also. But back to the game and what Tyrone could have done to win it..
The loss of Stevie O Neill and Harte was ultimately disastrous. Despite some nice points. The work rate from the full forward line wasnt up to scratch hence the opening point from play after 32mins - ironically young Coney improved this but the game was over.
Tyrone were carrying 6 - 7 subs in their programme who would have been more or less making their debut had they been brought into action, in other words they probably shouldnt have been there or we should have seen more that them over the year. I wonder what some of the lads on their last legs think of this idea of giving them bench experience for next year. Next year is a never never. Tyrone have got to few enough semifinals to have this attitude. There are a number of footballers who need to thanked and let go, they have been injured perennially over the last few years and are now starting to look like they are a poor investment in time, focus and physio bills - sometimes the body just isnt fit for county demands and management need to look at this.. Tyrone need to pick proven fit men for their panel next year. The onus should be on footballers to prove their strength and athletic capability for the rigours of a season. I feel our management could communicate better with clubs going forward and guys should rehabilitate with their clubs until they are fit to return for their county. Sean Cavanagh must also be made captain - I think he has earned it more than anyone.
I sincerely hope Mayo push on now. They still start games weak and had Tyrone been allowed to push further in front the result would have been the same as last years final. . I fear that Mayo are still a confidence team and that can be fragile enough at times particularly when they are on front of goals They must work on that. They are a class act in full flow, but they will not get kind punditry or refereeing V Dubs or Kerry. I also fear that their best team isnt starting and there are no room for passengers on and off the field. Their supporters are a class act and iits up to the team to deliver for them. Horan has the makings of an ai winning manager, I hope they do it and I will be there to cheer them on, having seen them beat in 6 finals previously, I swore I would never go back but this year might be different. On a lesser note I watched on as a so called steward giving dogs abuse to Tyrone fans in front of me being totally unprofessional and antagonising, totally buying the rte line, and instead of doing his job creating a potential problem. This will be the ultimate legacy of rte punditry - a lack of respect for Tyrone football people. Amongst other things do these guys get paid? What happens when the steward at some point gets a well deserved slap for their auld guff.
Finally it was a decent season for Tyrone football. No silverware but a top 4 finish and it was highly enjoyable, as Tyrone folk we thank our management and players for their hard work, and new plans can be hatched in time.
All told I think Mickey and the management team will be delighted with their progress this season. We are in a rebuilding process after all. An excellent league showing built confidence for a good championship run. The Donegal defeat was a kick in the teeth but analysis of the stats would have shown we were more than competitive and a six point loss wasn't a reflection on that. As for the championship I think a quarter final berth was the aim.....the fact we reached the semi was a bonus and the experience gained from that for the majority of the lads can't be bought. Things rarely go as planned during games....the injury to Harte was a massive blow as he was an important cog in the wheel for us.....Stevie going off less so given he was replaced by Ronan who in my opinion should have had much more game time this season to bring him on, despite the fact he was returning from serious injury. I would expect one or two more retirements now from the older players. Yesterday's game will have demonstrated that we can be as competitive as any team in the country, and that you can have all the fancy footballers in the world but 99 times out of 100 hunger, steel and stubbornness will win the day. Some of the less experienced lads will know that now. I thought the two best players on the pitch for us yesterday were Colm and McGinley.... We are short a couple of players and I'm sure there will be new faces on the panel come the new year. A year ahead of where I thought we would be...another 2 and we will be challenging in finals and not semis!
Mayo racked up 1-8 of their 1-16 total from nine Tyrone fouls. One was Dermot Carlin dragging down Colm Boyle for the penalty, which replays showed was actually outside the parallelogram. Another six resulted in pointed frees, while two scores came off quickly taken frees to inside forwards.
From Irish Times.
I thought Deegan was poor for both sides. I don't think he was harder on Tyrone than Mayo. Tyrone had a few dodgy decisions that went their direction. Watching the game in real time I thought that Carlin had fouled inside the area. I called foot block on the penalty call at the other end, the patrons sitting beside me in the pub had not got a clue what I was on about. They didn't know about that rule.
O`Shea should be embarrassed with holding his face, although I think he realised very quickly that it was a daft thing to do and he didn't continue the act for any length of time.
Thought McGinley and McCarron played well enough.
Big Pack is very dodgy with the short kick outs. Not his forte. That one he gave away which led to a free was a kick in the balls.
Conor Gormley battled to the last. Some warrior.
For years, he have listened to "Ah, Mayo, nice little footballers, but no edge, no steel and big day bottlers", after yesterday and reading some of the contributions in here, it is good to see a lot of these tags are now with O'Leary in the grave. We were tough, gave as good as we got, didn't panic, sussed things out at half time and pushed on to win.
We were damned if we won by 20 (still not tested), or we are fur coats and no knickers (winning by 6)........
It was great to see some of the newer lads on the scene, stick their chests out and take on the leadership when we were floundering. These lads took the mantle of leaders from likes of Dillon and Moran who have had better days and will have better days again.
To listen to O'Shea talking after the match, that the game was still young at half time, there was still 35 minutes left, is refreshing and shows the belief that this team have in their own ability and the ability of the lads around them, a couple of times during the match, Hennelly was out talking to his backs and reorganising things, one would think that he playing there all year, it was great to see.
The subs Mayo have are the real asset of this team, Feeney, Moran, Carolan and Conroy all did their bit.
As for frees given, not given, bloody hell, some on here must have expected Mayo to refuse some of these frees because our expert referees sitting at home, don't agree with the decisions given. We have plenty of decisions go against us in the past on big days, so if they go for us great.
Make no mistake, yesterday was a big game for us, lose and all the previous years good work was gone, win and we are in back to back finals, an achievement in its self. Of course there was nerves, these players are amateur after all, to lose at a semi-final is a tough thing.
Fair play to Tyrone, they pushed hard, but Mayo are further down the road and it stood to them.
Regardless of our opponents in the final, it will be a different type of game and that will suit Mayo better.
Minor and Senior teams through to their finals, plenty for them to work on while still winning.............we wouldn't have it any other way.
Perfect!.
Just watched the game back. Most has been covered in prior posts. Few things, thought Tyrone's game plan in the first 20mins was excellent, Vaughan was pulled out of position.
We seemed to be snatching at shots, Varley and Andy Moran for two in particular over by the cusack stand side, been much better with shot selections in previous games.
Certainly got a few breaks. Being 1 point down at half time playing so poorly was a real bonus.
If somebody had said to me that we'd win by 6 points and play as badly as we have all year before yesterday, would have taken it all day long.
I think we are a year or two away yet. I think we need to get speed up our delivery into the inside line as we had the beating of Mayo there.
I think Dublin will win out in the end as they have more cutting edge in the final third. Or maybe Kerry because they are Kerry. If Mayo don't win it this year I think it would be hard for them to get themselves back up again...
As I feared Tyrone lost the PR war which this year really did became a war. Joe Brolly is a smart man and he seized on Tyrone s lack of speak and representation on RTE, knowing there would be next to no comeback within his own channel where they are quite prepared to trash the games they are meant to be featuring. We have men from the GAA heirarchy talking about the product and its popularity but without the conviction to watch the so called product being trashed by the same guys who they sign off renewal deals with. Its a crazy contrast. Its is time RTE were denied the "product."
It was refreshing to see Philip Jordan on last night at least balancing the thing but that goose had flown.
Ironically the net result of RTEs coverage this year was that the referee was so obsessed and whistle happy in the first half he only calmed down when he actually blew up a goal chance too quick. Deegan gave probably the worst refereeing performance in Croke Park for years.
That was a roller coaster of a match. Feel really sorry for COC. Such a talent it's a crying shame he is has this injury. I wish him the very best and hopefully he will get his shoulder sorted for once and for all. I have to echo the comments about the Ref. He was dreadful, but dreadful to both teams! Silly yellow cards, so many wrong decisions. I really hope that is the last I see of him this year!!!
Mayo looked beatable, for the first time this year. Tyrone manage to pull key players out of position. There can be no question that Mickey Harte is the best tactician out there. Other thoughts I had on the match, was I expected Mayo to do a hell allot better with Tyrone kickouts. This was a little bit disappointing, and I'm surprised Horan hadn't a better plan in place. However, we won in the end and showed our battling qualities. Unlike last year semi-final, we finished as clearly the better team, and a team that will take serious beating in the final. I couldn't say that last year.
Did ye see the replay of the penalty decision?
Deegan arrived on the scene, arms outstretched roaring "INSIDE". Carlin tells him to look at the screen and Deegan looks up briefly. He then says "I'm not looking at it" and laughs.
No point to that story at all.
First I'd like to say hard luck to Tyrone. They were very good for the first twenty minutes or so. If they got another point at that stage, it could be curtains for us. They didn't, and Barrett made a great run and got the comeback underway. Not that we knew that it was a comeback or anything at all at that stage, but the Mayo backs were beginning to get on top of their men towards the end of the first half. But by God, our forwards were poor throughout the first half.
The second half was much like as ross matt pointed out, Mayo 2013, they were able to win the breaking ball around midfield. Something they lacked the cutting edge to do in the first half for long stages. I don't think it was a penalty either, but you take the rough with the smooth I suppose. Hats off to Freeman for scoring the penalty due to the time involved of the 3/4 Tyrone players surrounding the referee pleading to change his mind. Working with minors myself, we know refs don't change their minds, so the Tyrone players were kind of silly in thinking that Deegan himself would change his.
The ref was terrible. He gave Mayo soft frees (and disallowed the goal) and he also gave very soft yellow cards to Mayo players too. Tyrone fans here have stated their frustration with him so it's fair to say everyone was pissed off with him at some point.
Well done to Freeman on taking up responsibility once O'Connor went off. He got the man of the match officially. I personally had picked out Barrett and Seamus O'Shea as leading contenders for the prize. We're in a final again. We may not win it, but at least the team should know what their weaknesses are anyway in the four weeks leading up to it.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
As I feared Tyrone lost the PR war which this year really did became a war. Joe Brolly is a smart man and he seized on Tyrone s lack of speak and representation on RTE, knowing there would be next to no comeback within his own channel where they are quite prepared to trash the games they are meant to be featuring. We have men from the GAA heirarchy talking about the product and its popularity but without the conviction to watch the so called product being trashed by the same guys who they sign off renewal deals with. Its a crazy contrast. Its is time RTE were denied the "product."
It was refreshing to see Philip Jordan on last night at least balancing the thing but that goose had flown.
Ironically the net result of RTEs coverage this year was that the referee was so obsessed and whistle happy in the first half he only calmed down when he actually blew up a goal chance too quick. Deegan gave probably the worst refereeing performance in Croke Park for years.
Deegan was completely rubbish. Brolly was indeed over the top.
But you know what, Tyrone got played off the park for 50 minutes by a team which, if truth be told, never even had to look for top gear. You can get obsessed with anything and everything you like surrounding the game, but the bottom line is that the better team, both individually and collectively, won comfortably - and didn't need a helping hand to achieve that goal.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
As I feared Tyrone lost the PR war which this year really did became a war. Joe Brolly is a smart man and he seized on Tyrone s lack of speak and representation on RTE, knowing there would be next to no comeback within his own channel where they are quite prepared to trash the games they are meant to be featuring. We have men from the GAA heirarchy talking about the product and its popularity but without the conviction to watch the so called product being trashed by the same guys who they sign off renewal deals with. Its a crazy contrast. Its is time RTE were denied the "product."
It was refreshing to see Philip Jordan on last night at least balancing the thing but that goose had flown.
Ironically the net result of RTEs coverage this year was that the referee was so obsessed and whistle happy in the first half he only calmed down when he actually blew up a goal chance too quick. Deegan gave probably the worst refereeing performance in Croke Park for years.
What? I don't know what the 'PR War' has anything to do with but bottom line is you lost the most important war as in the one on the pitch. PR really hasn't got much to do with that!
In terms of the PR situation the last few weeks most people including Joe himself know he shouldn't have singled out Cavanagh and were in Tyrone's corner on that score. The Rafa style 'factsheet' did not help matters either as Tyrone should have taken the moral high ground and not indulged in the debate at all but the siege mentality the County has meant they felt the need to come out and defend themselves when it really wasn't needed!
When all's said and done Tyrone have a bit coming through and will be a top 10 team for the next 5-10 years but I think those special players they had are just not there and young teams like Dublin/Mayo/Cork will be the teams to beat over the next while!
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:36:32 PM
Did ye see the replay of the penalty decision?
Deegan arrived on the scene, arms outstretched roaring "INSIDE". Carlin tells him to look at the screen and Deegan looks up briefly. He then says "I'm not looking at it" and laughs.
No point to that story at all.
He was some distance behind the play. Must have been at least 25 to 30 yards. No idea how he could have been so confident in his decision when ultimately he had to have been guessing.
I disagree.
Had Deegan refereed the game correctly Mayo would still be putting her wide from the 21.
The momentum was returned to Mayo not by themselves but by the referee.
I hate talking about referees after games.
Mayo have a problem starting big games, Donegal exposed it last year, Tyrone were not allowed to do so yesterday. I like Deegan - I just think he is a terrible referee after yesterday. What MAyo did have was some wonderful play when their confidence returned and they finished the job professionally and comfortably. They had more ways of winning that game than Tyrone and more resources to add. Tyrone could have won the game but had probably only one shot at it and that was to build an early lead Bear in mind ye were 7/2 favourites.... Ref negated that. Good luck to Mayo in the final.
Jesus, you swear you were whiter than white. You can't call it a witch hunt if you are doing what they're saying you're doing. You got three seniors and countless underage titles playing a certain way, please spare us the tears. Most counties would love to be in Tyrone's position.
The irony is in the way Mayo were playing there was next to no chance they would have scored that goal in the refs eyes at the time he blew the whistle. They were ridiculously lacking in composure and couldn't have hit an auld barn door with a new potato. I think their defenders starting scoring for them from play after 32 mins.
Tyrone should have had them dead and buried at that point. That was their chance. They missed that chance. Tyrones fault they weren't further head.
However theres feck all we can do about non frees. double bounces and dodgy penaltys. Thats not our job really...
Do not see why anybody is saying that Tyrone should have left Mayo dead and buried after 25 min.Tyrone did not miss any easy goal opportunities or kick alot of bad wides and even if Mayo were down by 4 or 5 points at h.t they were always going to come on strong in the 2ind half.
I'm amazed that rte pundits, commentators and analysts did not see the mayo man recoil after the Tyrone player made contact with his neck. That's why the whistle went. It was a foul. Furthermore, there is no advantage rule yet. Anyway, two Tyrone men stopped after the whistle went. End of story.
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look at Cunniffes outstretched hands. Both players arrive at the same time. Brutally tough challenge but entirely fair.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
I disagree.
Had Deegan refereed the game correctly Mayo would still be putting her wide from the 21.
The momentum was returned to Mayo not by themselves but by the referee.
I hate talking about referees after games.
Mayo have a problem starting big games, Donegal exposed it last year, Tyrone were not allowed to do so yesterday. I like Deegan - I just think he is a terrible referee after yesterday. What MAyo did have was some wonderful play when their confidence returned and they finished the job professionally and comfortably. They had more ways of winning that game than Tyrone and more resources to add. Tyrone could have won the game but had probably only one shot at it and that was to build an early lead Bear in mind ye were 7/2 favourites.... Ref negated that. Good luck to Mayo in the final.
Did Deegan give the ball to Chris Barret and tell him to solo 20 yards beat 2 men and put the ball over the bar from 30 yards out?
Did Deegan set up a 4 player passing move ending with Lee Keegan bursting through the middle to put another point over the bar?
Did Deegan kick another point from out on the right from a difficult angle? No he had nothing to do with any of that.
That changed the game from a 4 point lead, to a 1 point lead and changed the momentum, so stop talking shite about referees and take your beating.
Rrhf that's a blinkered view and not overly gracious in defeat.
Best team won. The ref maybe made the inevitable happen a bit quicker with the penalty and a few softt ones but that was it.
A couple of soft frees would not have had the game won or out of sight.
One factor in the game i thought was mark donnelly. He was having a big impact early on and completely ran out of steam. I think tyrone were dead on their feet after about 40 minutes to be honest.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
The irony is in the way Mayo were playing there was next to no chance they would have scored that goal in the refs eyes at the time he blew the whistle. They were ridiculously lacking in composure and couldn't have hit an auld barn door with a new potato. I think their defenders starting scoring for them from play after 32 mins.
Tyrone should have had them dead and buried at that point. That was their chance. They missed that chance. Tyrones fault they weren't further head.
However theres feck all we can do about non frees. double bounces and dodgy penaltys. Thats not our job really...
Ye are beginning to sound like Mayo of old, could'a, should'a, would'a.....................
Should have been 6 points instead of 4 at that point. Would it have made any difference? Well historically yes - that should have been enough to calve Mayo 11 months ago, and many times before that. But I agree this year it even feels different.
Good luck in the final.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 26, 2013, 02:32:11 PM
Rrhf that's a blinkered view and not overly gracious in defeat.
Best team won. The ref maybe made the inevitable happen a bit quicker with the penalty and a few soft ones but that was it.
A couple of soft frees would not have had the game won or out of sight.
One factor in the game i thought was mark donnelly. He was having a big impact early on and completely ran out of steam. I think tyrone were dead on their feet after about 40 minutes to be honest.
Agreed on the latter, my information is 11 months out of date on the former. Yes The best team won yesterday and could have won by more as their momentum was then fully returned with a donated 1 - 1 after the break. Give me one example of a team who can win an aisf where 1 - 3 or 1 -4 is wrongly given.
Ill follow this all up by wishing Mayo the best in the final, they deserve it from their last 20 minutes football alone.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 26, 2013, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
The irony is in the way Mayo were playing there was next to no chance they would have scored that goal in the refs eyes at the time he blew the whistle. They were ridiculously lacking in composure and couldn't have hit an auld barn door with a new potato. I think their defenders starting scoring for them from play after 32 mins.
Tyrone should have had them dead and buried at that point. That was their chance. They missed that chance. Tyrones fault they weren't further head.
However theres feck all we can do about non frees. double bounces and dodgy penaltys. Thats not our job really...
Ye are beginning to sound like Mayo of old, could'a, should'a, would'a.....................
Have been to more Mayo matches where they couldnt a.. to be fair
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 26, 2013, 02:32:11 PM
Rrhf that's a blinkered view and not overly gracious in defeat.
Best team won. The ref maybe made the inevitable happen a bit quicker with the penalty and a few soft ones but that was it.
A couple of soft frees would not have had the game won or out of sight.
One factor in the game i thought was mark donnelly. He was having a big impact early on and completely ran out of steam. I think tyrone were dead on their feet after about 40 minutes to be honest.
Agreed on the latter, my information is 11 months out of date on the former. Yes The best team won yesterday and could have won by more as their momentum was then fully returned with a donated 1 - 1 after the break. Give me one example of a team who can win an aisf where 1 - 3 or 1 -4 is wrongly given.
Ill follow this all up by wishing Mayo the best in the final, they deserve it from their last 20 minutes football alone.
Give me someone who keeps such statistics and i'm sure i could find you an example somewhere...
I think it's as has been stated mickey harte tactically had it spot on. At this minute in time tyrone just don't have the quality to execute a game plan like this for 70 minutes against a top team. I actually think conditioning a massive factor.
You argue the 1-3 or 1-4. I think you exaggerate. 1-2 debatable by my reckoning.
Most refs wouldn't have called the freeman goal a foul and mayo missed the free so sure that's 1-0 the other way and you have a couple of points in it which i'm sure many all ireland semis have been won against??
Conroy should start the final.
Mayo need a ball-winner in the FF line and a half-fit Andy Moran won't cut the mustard.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 26, 2013, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
The irony is in the way Mayo were playing there was next to no chance they would have scored that goal in the refs eyes at the time he blew the whistle. They were ridiculously lacking in composure and couldn't have hit an auld barn door with a new potato. I think their defenders starting scoring for them from play after 32 mins.
Tyrone should have had them dead and buried at that point. That was their chance. They missed that chance. Tyrones fault they weren't further head.
However theres feck all we can do about non frees. double bounces and dodgy penaltys. Thats not our job really...
Ye are beginning to sound like Mayo of old, could'a, should'a, would'a.....................
Have been to more Mayo matches where they couldnt a.. to be fair
;D
Couldnt a score
Shouldnt a gone to the game
Wouldnt a ever again...............
The Mayo Monday Morning Mantra................
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2013, 02:53:21 PM
Conroy should start the final.
Mayo need a ball-winner in the FF line and a half-fit Andy Moran won't cut the mustard.
Towney Conroy (don't ask) will start, as will Freeman. The match-up is Andy/Varley/maybe Doherty for the third slot, not Conroy/Andy.
Andy's knee has been bothering (the rumour was doing the rounds last week) and they had it checked after the warm-up. Clearly taped up under his sock too. For Andy's and for Mayo's sake I hope it improves enough to mean he can battle his way to a start in the final. If he's fit enough to do that it means good things for Mayo.
It would be an idea to play Andy more centrally where he can pick up cheap ball and distribute it, what's killing him is being up deep and getting one-on-one ball and the back beating him to the ball.
Yes sadly you can see he's struggling. It will be the toughest call of Horans career, but he showed no nostagia when rooting out Mortimer. The best 15 need started for the final.
Moran would be more effectively used as a sub for when the game opens up in the last 15 minutes.
Quote from: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 07:20:13 AM
don't understand why sean Cavanagh didn't try going in at full forward in the second half for ten minutes. just to what happened.
I found myself cheering tyrone yesterday :o
cant stand mayo I just know Dublin or Kerry will tear a new hole in their arses
Awe poor lawnseed, as you would say, suck it up we lad ;)
Stop chewing those lemons.
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Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
HAH
+1
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2013, 11:07:02 AM
Mickey Harte wasn't happy about the tackle on Peter Harte... it looks perfect to me!
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Rather than blame the ref or the Mayo man I'd be screaming at the man who played such a hospital pass!!
Seems Mickey Harte does not understand how you tackle in Gaelic Football. It's what we would call a shoulder.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
The irony is in the way Mayo were playing there was next to no chance they would have scored that goal in the refs eyes at the time he blew the whistle. They were ridiculously lacking in composure and couldn't have hit an auld barn door with a new potato. I think their defenders starting scoring for them from play after 32 mins.
Tyrone should have had them dead and buried at that point. That was their chance. They missed that chance. Tyrones fault they weren't further head.
However theres feck all we can do about non frees. double bounces and dodgy penaltys. Thats not our job really...
You have to tack the scores on when you are on top. Control of the game comes and goes and if you don't run up the scores when you
have the possession you won't win. Tyrone were only 3 points up after 25 mins despite Mayo playing a mare. They were poor but not as poor as limerick at ht the previous week. Even though the forwards were trina cheile the backs had the balls to get the scores. And a goal down after 25 mins is more than manageable especially if the other side have difficulty raising the flags.
Tyrone should have been 7 or 8 points ahead at that stage . They had a couple of bad wides and there some poor decisions made.
By all means moan about the penalty but ultimately Tyrone didn't score enough when they had the momentum.
Quote from: Mrs mills on August 26, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Furthermore, there is no advantage rule yet.
Why does this myth persist? Do people think when there's a foul and the referee plays on with his arm in the air he's signalling "hup Mayo" or something??
4.36 When a team commits a technical foul, the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be the advantage of the opposing team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once he allows play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action.
5.35 When a team commits an aggressive foul, the Referee may allow play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once the Referee allows the play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply the relevant penalty.
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Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
The irony is in the way Mayo were playing there was next to no chance they would have scored that goal in the refs eyes at the time he blew the whistle. They were ridiculously lacking in composure and couldn't have hit an auld barn door with a new potato. I think their defenders starting scoring for them from play after 32 mins.
Tyrone should have had them dead and buried at that point. That was their chance. They missed that chance. Tyrones fault they weren't further head.
However theres feck all we can do about non frees. double bounces and dodgy penaltys. Thats not our job really...
You have to tack the scores on when you are on top. Control of the game comes and goes and if you don't run up the scores when you
have the possession you won't win. Tyrone were only 3 points up after 25 mins despite Mayo playing a mare. They were poor but not as poor as limerick at ht the previous week. Even though the forwards were trina cheile the backs had the balls to get the scores. And a goal down after 25 mins is more than manageable especially if the other side have difficulty raising the flags.
Tyrone should have been 7 or 8 points ahead at that stage . They had a couple of bad wides and there some poor decisions made.
By all means moan about the penalty but ultimately Tyrone didn't score enough when they had the momentum.
No question about that, Mayo dominated the last period of the game emphatically and are in a great positon to challenge for an AI title. Tyrone rightly or wrongly had targeted a 6 - 8 point lead after 20 minutes as all historical signs would point to a mental collapse by Mayo. That they didnt get a 6 point lead and achieve that was down to the officials. Not Mayo and not Tyrone, we can lay out a game plan but we cant allow for daylight robbery as we attempt to achieve it. This was not of Mayos fault by the way, they couldnt be expected to offer back the penalty or a replay..
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
15 min left and Tyrone have only scored 2 points in around half an hour.
same as Mayo in the first half.
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: Mrs mills on August 26, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Furthermore, there is no advantage rule yet.
Why does this myth persist? Do people think when there's a foul and the referee plays on with his arm in the air he's signalling "hup Mayo" or something??
4.36 When a team commits a technical foul, the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be the advantage of the opposing team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once he allows play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action.
5.35 When a team commits an aggressive foul, the Referee may allow play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once the Referee allows the play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply the relevant penalty.
I think people think advantage should be akin to something like they have in rugby and also now in soccer, that the ref can allow an advantage but if none occurs then it can be brought back. There was reference the other day to the 'slow whistle' whereby refs are now encouraged to hold off blowing the whistle to see whether or not an advantage occurs. That is the closest we have to what some people want.
A bit later than usual, wrecked tired and voice gone! Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded now;
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Harte cries foul over nephew's injury
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Harte wasn't impressed with the challenge that resulted in his nephew Peter Harte having to leave the field after just six minutes of yesterday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
While many felt the 'shoulder' by Mayo corner back Tom Cunniffe was fair, the Tyrone manager didn't see it that way.
"I think that would annoy me more than anything," he said.
"He (Peter Harte) didn't even get a free for something which forced him to leave the field on crutches. There is another anomaly for how we are looking at this game through certain lenses."
Harte felt the three points Mayo got before half-time were crucial to the outcome.
"It's very disappointing for us because I think the players put in a huge effort, particularly in the first half. I would have to say approaching half-time when we were seven-three up, I don't think anybody would have read the script that way.
"It was just unfortunate from our perspective that we let them back in for three points before half-time, which gave them a position going in at half-time that they probably didn't deserve. But overall, that's the mark of what they are about. They ground out in the first half when they were on the back foot."
Cunniffe wasn't really interested in the ball, I'd say that's what Mickey's problem is. I'm not sure I'd agree with Mickey and I definitely think he shouldn't have said anything about it.
Obviously the hip caused the damage.
I wonder did Mickey see the video before making that comment or was he talking from just raw emotion as one of our best players being taken out. Mickey is normally very gracious in defeat
Tyrone certainly didn't play anywhere near as well as they had been when Petey went off.
It looks a fair tackle from that pic though. Its actually a very well timed pic as you can see the impact on their faces.
What was the nature of the injury anyway?
I thought it was ribs until I saw him on crutches.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2013, 04:33:22 PM
What was the nature of the injury anyway?
I thought it was ribs until I saw him on crutches.
Seems from Mickey Harte's comments that it was a pelvic injury that caused a nerve to send pain down his leg.
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Harte cries foul over nephew's injury
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Harte wasn't impressed with the challenge that resulted in his nephew Peter Harte having to leave the field after just six minutes of yesterday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
While many felt the 'shoulder' by Mayo corner back Tom Cunniffe was fair, the Tyrone manager didn't see it that way.
"I think that would annoy me more than anything," he said.
"He (Peter Harte) didn't even get a free for something which forced him to leave the field on crutches. There is another anomaly for how we are looking at this game through certain lenses."
Harte felt the three points Mayo got before half-time were crucial to the outcome.
"It's very disappointing for us because I think the players put in a huge effort, particularly in the first half. I would have to say approaching half-time when we were seven-three up, I don't think anybody would have read the script that way.
"It was just unfortunate from our perspective that we let them back in for three points before half-time, which gave them a position going in at half-time that they probably didn't deserve. But overall, that's the mark of what they are about. They ground out in the first half when they were on the back foot."
If Cuniffe had have done anything but put everything he had into that challenge, he would have a) been accused of pulling out, and b) either hurt himself (Harte was going in hard too) or taken off for being a fairy.
As it turned out, it was one of the best executed shoulders of the summer. Harte getting hurt had nothing to do with the impact, and everything to do with way he landed.
If Cunniffe had mistimed that and missed Harte he'd have ended up in the Cusack. It was a juddering collision and shows that these guys are so fit and strong nowadays to be able to give / take hits like this every game.
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Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: Mrs mills on August 26, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Furthermore, there is no advantage rule yet.
Why does this myth persist? Do people think when there's a foul and the referee plays on with his arm in the air he's signalling "hup Mayo" or something??
4.36 When a team commits a technical foul, the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be the advantage of the opposing team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once he allows play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action.
5.35 When a team commits an aggressive foul, the Referee may allow play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once the Referee allows the play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply the relevant penalty.
I think people think advantage should be akin to something like they have in rugby and also now in soccer, that the ref can allow an advantage but if none occurs then it can be brought back. There was reference the other day to the 'slow whistle' whereby refs are now encouraged to hold off blowing the whistle to see whether or not an advantage occurs. That is the closest we have to what some people want.
I don't understand why referees don't use the slow whistle as a matter of course. You can give yourself a second or so before making up your mind and nobody will (well, should) complain. That's why it puzzles me to see refs running around with the whistle in the mouth. Far better to hang it from the wrist. That way it takes a second or so to grab it and blow, by which time the situation will have developed.
Similarly, I don't understand why refs in big games at Croke Park don't unofficially use the big screen. Deegan was 25-30 yards behind the play for the penalty yesterday. (Btw, I don't understand why people are criticising this. Do they expect him to be able to run from the other end of the field faster than Mayo can kick the ball that far?) All he had to do was blow for the foul and take his time after that. Play was stopped. He had no need to be running headlong, spreading his arms and roaring. Just stroll up, keeping an eye on the screen before making up his mind whether it was inside or outside.
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
Similarly, I don't understand why refs in big games at Croke Park don't unofficially use the big screen. Deegan was 25-30 yards behind the play for the penalty yesterday. (Btw, I don't understand why people are criticising this. Do they expect him to be able to run from the other end of the field faster than Mayo can kick the ball that far?) All he had to do was blow for the foul and take his time after that. Play was stopped. He had no need to be running headlong, spreading his arms and roaring. Just stroll up, keeping an eye on the screen before making up his mind whether it was inside or outside.
He'll end up watching some stupid ad for Nivea on the big screen.
Nothin worse than the roarin.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on August 26, 2013, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
Similarly, I don't understand why refs in big games at Croke Park don't unofficially use the big screen. Deegan was 25-30 yards behind the play for the penalty yesterday. (Btw, I don't understand why people are criticising this. Do they expect him to be able to run from the other end of the field faster than Mayo can kick the ball that far?) All he had to do was blow for the foul and take his time after that. Play was stopped. He had no need to be running headlong, spreading his arms and roaring. Just stroll up, keeping an eye on the screen before making up his mind whether it was inside or outside.
He'll end up watching some stupid ad for Nivea on the big screen.
Ah that's true! I forgot that they don't show the controversial ones, though there seems to be a suggestion that it was shown yesterday, with the Tyrone lads urging him to look at it and he refusing.
147 bleedin' pages .... :o I'm not reading all that to see if my comment has been mentioned before.
First ... I thought it was a valid penalty, and can well understand why Deegan gave it. He would have been watching the two players interplay, as well as probably trying to watch other tussles nearby (there are always plenty of "tussles" when an attack is under way). When he saw the foul contact, only then would he have tried to judge where the foul took place. In that half second, Boyle and Carlin were now well inside the square as they were at speed. It's the refs responsibility to make an instant judgement call; no freeze-frame slow-mo replay. I think the foul contact occurred as the two players entered the square, and the penalty was justified.
What really surprises me more is the lack of outcry against Carlin for NOT doing a Cavanagh-esque rugby-tackle before Boyle got that close to goal at all? He didn't take-one-for-the-team, did he? I didn't hear Joe Brolly commending Carlin for that, "as a man".
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 26, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: Mrs mills on August 26, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Furthermore, there is no advantage rule yet.
Why does this myth persist? Do people think when there's a foul and the referee plays on with his arm in the air he's signalling "hup Mayo" or something??
4.36 When a team commits a technical foul, the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be the advantage of the opposing team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once he allows play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action.
5.35 When a team commits an aggressive foul, the Referee may allow play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once the Referee allows the play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply the relevant penalty.
I think people think advantage should be akin to something like they have in rugby and also now in soccer, that the ref can allow an advantage but if none occurs then it can be brought back. There was reference the other day to the 'slow whistle' whereby refs are now encouraged to hold off blowing the whistle to see whether or not an advantage occurs. That is the closest we have to what some people want.
I don't understand why referees don't use the slow whistle as a matter of course. You can give yourself a second or so before making up your mind and nobody will (well, should) complain. That's why it puzzles me to see refs running around with the whistle in the mouth. Far better to hang it from the wrist. That way it takes a second or so to grab it and blow, by which time the situation will have developed.
Similarly, I don't understand why refs in big games at Croke Park don't unofficially use the big screen. Deegan was 25-30 yards behind the play for the penalty yesterday. (Btw, I don't understand why people are criticising this. Do they expect him to be able to run from the other end of the field faster than Mayo can kick the ball that far?) All he had to do was blow for the foul and take his time after that. Play was stopped. He had no need to be running headlong, spreading his arms and roaring. Just stroll up, keeping an eye on the screen before making up his mind whether it was inside or outside.
That cost Kerry an All-Ireland in '82 according to the ref himself, whistle fell out of his mouth and by the time he had it back in Darby had got the goal and the celebrations were going, he felt he couldnt blow it up then for the push
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 26, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: Mrs mills on August 26, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Furthermore, there is no advantage rule yet.
Why does this myth persist? Do people think when there's a foul and the referee plays on with his arm in the air he's signalling "hup Mayo" or something??
4.36 When a team commits a technical foul, the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be the advantage of the opposing team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once he allows play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action.
5.35 When a team commits an aggressive foul, the Referee may allow play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage is being played by raising an extended arm upright. Once the Referee allows the play to continue, he may not subsequently award a free for that foul. He shall apply the relevant penalty.
I think people think advantage should be akin to something like they have in rugby and also now in soccer, that the ref can allow an advantage but if none occurs then it can be brought back. There was reference the other day to the 'slow whistle' whereby refs are now encouraged to hold off blowing the whistle to see whether or not an advantage occurs. That is the closest we have to what some people want.
That's coming next year, along with the Black Card.
Hardy - why bother quoting actual rule texts here? You'll never win an argument around here by using facts. In fact, no arguments are ever won or lost around here; they just slip off onto Page 2 and into oblivion.
Quote from: The Biff on August 26, 2013, 05:08:38 PM
147 bleedin' pages .... :o I'm not reading all that to see if my comment has been mentioned before.
First ... I thought it was a valid penalty, and can well understand why Deegan gave it. He would have been watching the two players interplay, as well as probably trying to watch other tussles nearby (there are always plenty of "tussles" when an attack is under way). When he saw the foul contact, only then would he have tried to judge where the foul took place. In that half second, Boyle and Carlin were now well inside the square as they were at speed. It's the refs responsibility to make an instant judgement call; no freeze-frame slow-mo replay. I think the foul contact occurred as the two players entered the square, and the penalty was justified.
What really surprises me more is the lack of outcry against Carlin for NOT doing a Cavanagh-esque rugby-tackle before Boyle got that close to goal at all? He didn't take-one-for-the-team, did he? I didn't hear Joe Brolly commending Carlin for that, "as a man".
You must be one of the few with that opinion. If Deegan was asked today he would admit he made a poor call. Water under the bridge now and as Kevin McStay said last night they got the breaks other days they may not.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 26, 2013, 05:25:28 PM
Quote from: The Biff on August 26, 2013, 05:08:38 PM
147 bleedin' pages .... :o I'm not reading all that to see if my comment has been mentioned before.
First ... I thought it was a valid penalty, and can well understand why Deegan gave it. He would have been watching the two players interplay, as well as probably trying to watch other tussles nearby (there are always plenty of "tussles" when an attack is under way). When he saw the foul contact, only then would he have tried to judge where the foul took place. In that half second, Boyle and Carlin were now well inside the square as they were at speed. It's the refs responsibility to make an instant judgement call; no freeze-frame slow-mo replay. I think the foul contact occurred as the two players entered the square, and the penalty was justified.
What really surprises me more is the lack of outcry against Carlin for NOT doing a Cavanagh-esque rugby-tackle before Boyle got that close to goal at all? He didn't take-one-for-the-team, did he? I didn't hear Joe Brolly commending Carlin for that, "as a man".
You must be one of the few with that opinion. If Deegan was asked today he would admit he made a poor call. Water under the bridge now and as Kevin McStay said last night they got the breaks other days they may not.
inital contact may have been out side but till i see a replay maybe the foul was completed inside the box.
A fouler does not have the right to tell the ref where he started Fouling as player
Quote from: thewobbler on August 26, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 04:10:13 PM
Ye don't help yourselves. What is M.Harte on about? ::)
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Harte wasn't impressed with the challenge that resulted in his nephew Peter Harte having to leave the field after just six minutes of yesterday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
While many felt the 'shoulder' by Mayo corner back Tom Cunniffe was fair, the Tyrone manager didn't see it that way.
"I think that would annoy me more than anything," he said.
"He (Peter Harte) didn't even get a free for something which forced him to leave the field on crutches. There is another anomaly for how we are looking at this game through certain lenses."
Harte felt the three points Mayo got before half-time were crucial to the outcome.
"It's very disappointing for us because I think the players put in a huge effort, particularly in the first half. I would have to say approaching half-time when we were seven-three up, I don't think anybody would have read the script that way.
"It was just unfortunate from our perspective that we let them back in for three points before half-time, which gave them a position going in at half-time that they probably didn't deserve. But overall, that's the mark of what they are about. They ground out in the first half when they were on the back foot."
If Cuniffe had have done anything but put everything he had into that challenge, he would have a) been accused of pulling out, and b) either hurt himself (Harte was going in hard too) or taken off for being a fairy.
As it turned out, it was one of the best executed shoulders of the summer. Harte getting hurt had nothing to do with the impact, and everything to do with way he landed.
How can you be so sure about him getting hurt had everything to do with the way he landed?
It was a full-on shoulder and hip crushing challenge. The damage was likely caused from hip to hip. Probably Harte's incapacitation is short term, hopefully a couple of weeks at most.
I thought Tyronies use to loudly boo at Peter Harte, now he's a vital top 3 player?
Quote from: Main Street on August 26, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
I thought Tyronies use to loudly boo at Peter Harte, now he's a vital top 3 player?
Huh? Peter Harte has never been booed, are you thinking of Mark Harte?
Well done Mayo, the better team won, and now go the whole way (for feck's sake)!
tyrone need a goalkeeper big pack was woeful. he absolutely destroyed tyrone. his kickouts are poor, his short passing is brutal and hes so wooden and stiff he make arney look like a ballet dancer. cost them the match imo
Quote from: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
tyrone need a goalkeeper big pack was woeful. he absolutely destroyed tyrone. his kickouts are poor, his short passing is brutal and hes so wooden and stiff he make arney look like a ballet dancer. cost them the match imo
Better team beat them is what cost them the match.
Still hating on Mayo?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
tyrone need a goalkeeper big pack was woeful. he absolutely destroyed tyrone. his kickouts are poor, his short passing is brutal and hes so wooden and stiff he make arney look like a ballet dancer. cost them the match imo
Better team beat them is what cost them the match.
Still hating on Mayo?
Maybe it's because you're bad winners and that's why you win f**k all.
Quote from: trileacman on August 26, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
tyrone need a goalkeeper big pack was woeful. he absolutely destroyed tyrone. his kickouts are poor, his short passing is brutal and hes so wooden and stiff he make arney look like a ballet dancer. cost them the match imo
Better team beat them is what cost them the match.
Still hating on Mayo?
Maybe it's because you're bad winners and that's why you win f**k all.
You obviously missed lawnseed comment about Mayo a few pages back. Only negative comments from Mayo is coming from the whinging from certain Tyrone posters, a rant from Mickey Harte and rant from lawnseed how he hates Mayo and wants Dublin or Kerry to do something to our holes :o
I have already said Tyrone made a game of it. Look closer to home for the bad reaction to the result.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 26, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
tyrone need a goalkeeper big pack was woeful. he absolutely destroyed tyrone. his kickouts are poor, his short passing is brutal and hes so wooden and stiff he make arney look like a ballet dancer. cost them the match imo
Better team beat them is what cost them the match.
Still hating on Mayo?
Maybe it's because you're bad winners and that's why you win f**k all.
You obviously missed lawnseed comment about Mayo a few pages back. Only negative comments from Mayo is coming from the whinging from certain Tyrone posters, a rant from Mickey Harte and rant from lawnseed how he hates Mayo and wants Dublin or Kerry to do something to our holes :o
I have already said Tyrone made a game of it. Look closer to home for the bad reaction to the result.
You've had several comments gloating on the victory/ sneering at Harte and Tyrone. I don't have to go back a few pages to see the work of a bollix.
Quote from: trileacman on August 26, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 26, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
tyrone need a goalkeeper big pack was woeful. he absolutely destroyed tyrone. his kickouts are poor, his short passing is brutal and hes so wooden and stiff he make arney look like a ballet dancer. cost them the match imo
Better team beat them is what cost them the match.
Still hating on Mayo?
Maybe it's because you're bad winners and that's why you win f**k all.
You obviously missed lawnseed comment about Mayo a few pages back. Only negative comments from Mayo is coming from the whinging from certain Tyrone posters, a rant from Mickey Harte and rant from lawnseed how he hates Mayo and wants Dublin or Kerry to do something to our holes :o
I have already said Tyrone made a game of it. Look closer to home for the bad reaction to the result.
You've had several comments gloating on the victory/ sneering at Harte and Tyrone. I don't have to go back a few pages to see the work of a bollix.
Was Mickey Harte not the one who came out having a go at Cunniffe?
You stuck your nose into my comment to lawnseed, without checking did he deserve it.
I have said fair play to Tyrone.
I pointed out McConnell's actions when someone else pointed out O'Shea's carry on in the same sequence of events.
Listen if you are sore, don't blame me.
Mayo were the better team, most of the Tyrone posters have acknowledged this.
just as a matter of interest has a goalkeeper ever been substituted in a championship match for being crap..? I once saw big joe march round the pitch to paul hearty during a match to give him a fukken..
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Mayo shit the nest again, when it really matters. Like Kildare, they just don't have the natural footballers required to win an AI.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Looks like they rubbed the sh1t from the nest in your face? ;D
Fair play to Mayo, the best team on the day won. Now go and win the whole bolloxin' thing!
Not much to add, quick summary:
-Ref was shite
- SoN going off was crucial. While he wasn't a massive scoring threat the attention he requires freed up space for the other forwards.
- Conor Gormley was superb. Really hope he gives it another year.
- Hopefully Harte increases the pace we move the ball into the FF line next year. It's painfully slow at the minute which does us no favours at all. Dermy Carlin put in a beauty from 40 yards out McAliskey collected, turned and put it over the bar. We have seen very little of that this year.
For the rest of the championship I am donning the green and red...COME ON MAYO!
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 26, 2013, 11:55:33 PM
Fair play to Mayo, the best team on the day won. Now go and win the whole bolloxin' thing!
Not much to add, quick summary:
-Ref was shite
- SoN going off was crucial. While he wasn't a massive scoring threat the attention he requires freed up space for the other forwards.
- Conor Gormley was superb. Really hope he gives it another year.
- Hopefully Harte increases the pace we move the ball into the FF line next year. It's painfully slow at the minute which does us no favours at all. Dermy Carlin put in a beauty from 40 yards out McAliskey collected, turned and put it over the bar. We have seen very little of that this year.
For the rest of the championship I am donning the green and red...COME ON MAYO!
I think S.O'Neill isn't the player he was, Tyrone have a lot of young talent coming through and I would expect to see them where Mayo, Dublin and (last years Donegal) ar in 2-3 years.
Agreed the ref was awful, I just watched it again and he was worse to Mayo than I remember from watching it first time. Still Tyrone came out slightly worse from his errors.
Aye 1 03 worse what was in it at the end
Quote from: rrhf on August 27, 2013, 06:43:52 AM
Aye 1 03 worse what was in it at the end
You are a sore loser!! What about the "disallowed" goal. Not offset a goal?!
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 26, 2013, 11:55:33 PM
Fair play to Mayo, the best team on the day won. Now go and win the whole bolloxin' thing!
Not much to add, quick summary:
-Ref was shite
- SoN going off was crucial. While he wasn't a massive scoring threat the attention he requires freed up space for the other forwards.
- Conor Gormley was superb. Really hope he gives it another year.
- Hopefully Harte increases the pace we move the ball into the FF line next year. It's painfully slow at the minute which does us no favours at all. Dermy Carlin put in a beauty from 40 yards out McAliskey collected, turned and put it over the bar. We have seen very little of that this year.
For the rest of the championship I am donning the green and red...COME ON MAYO!
Her-in lies the problem I feel...we play with an 11 who spends most of the game in defence. We play our 12 as a sweeper. Penrose plays as a defender...These guys are expected to be defenders more so than scoring threats. How the team could have done with a ball playing CHF to win the ball on the 40' and distribute inside...A Brian Mc Guigan.... Its the way Harte sets the team up but surely we have the footballers in this county to attack teams. In the second half we had no real scoring threat..We were running at them in our own half as opposed to their half...When Dermot Early talks about Tyrone losing because of our sweeper system i see where he is coming from...
All in all its been a great year for Tyrone...National League final as well as the last 4. We are still in transition and have gained good experience.
Looking forward id like to see some fresh faces brought in ..maybe Thomas Canavan could play on the 40, She Mc Guigan of Richard Donnelly.
Mayo a much better team, and showed serious battling qualities. very impressed with how tyrone turned the first half into a dog eat dog affair, but i think mayo showed their true credentials as potential all ireland winners when the door was ajar after the penalty, they went for the jugular and simply blitzed tyrone.
Mickey crying about peter getting hurt, honestly, it cant be someone else's fault all the time, fair hit, stronger man gets up and continues playing, its what gaelic football is all about. in the direct aftermmath of peter harte going off, it didnt effect tyrone one bit.
Shows how good a manager both mickey harte and james horan are: two best players in ireland this year before sundays game, sean cavanagh and aidan o'shea, a couple of weeks to develop a game plan, both were rubbish on sunday
If I was a Mayo man I wouldn't be too worried about Hartes comments.
Peter Canavan shipped a fair shoulder off John Mac in 96 and they are still cribbing about it.
A few observations from a neutral perspective. Maurice Deegan was woeful, and on balance Mayo got the benefit of his poor performance. That said the best team won as Tyrone just ran out of steam. On first viewing I'd thought Peter Harte was hit late but the replay showed what looked like a shoulder to shoulder hit. Why did his leg go? Was he already carrying an injury? Tyrone fans on here complaining about refereeing decisions should remember that they can cut both ways (as an Armagh man Diarmuid Marsdens red card in 03must be mentioned :D). I think a penalty for the foot block would have been as soft as Mayo's which was clearly outside the box and shouldn't have been given. For the disallowed goal Deegan had quite clearly blown for another soft Mayo free and both Joe McMahon and McConnell stopped any serious attempt to prevent the ball going into the net. I would love to see Mayo win the AI, but I just think Dublin are that wee bit further on, but here's hoping.
As most of us have already said Tyrone have done very well to get to the AI semi final and maybe were lucky not to meet one of the big guns in the quarters.
If we're being realistic we are not a top 4 team any more but who knows in the next few years.
One thing I will say though is that whilst Mickey done very well to get this team back to where it is now, I really really do not like our style of play. I know many other fans feel the same. The almost soccer style of playing from the back slowly up the field uses so much energy and I think it was a system built out of how Donegal were playing the game 2 years ago. I can see how it protects possession but My God it requires so much energy and is horrible to watch.
The odd time we do kick it in long to a forward and it works out, it looks so much easier on the eye.
After a slow long built up, if the ball is turned over, there seems to be a huge frustration that the last 20 passes were all wasted and the other team break quickly down the field and get an easy score as people are out of position.
This is my major concern for the year ahead and it has been for the past 3 years or more. I hope Mickey changes tact next year and plays more forwards in the forward line. Players like Mark & Mat Donnelly and Penrose are not natural thinking defenders and imho are being wasted playing back there. Players like Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey & Coney are gonna get very frustrated if they are gonna be playing a 2 or 3 man FF line with nobody else then within 50 yards of them.
I'll throw one out to the Tyronies here on the back of the defeat of a potentially pretty good side. Mickey Harte has revolutionised Tyrone football and that is without a shadow of a doubt but do you feel that maybe now is the time to change? 200 games is a nice milestone and it may be the situation that to take this team and utilize the obvious talent that is there then a change is needed? Would it be time for Canavan to step into the hotseat and re-invigorate things? I get the impression from some that they are getting frustrated with Harte's negative approach to the game, may a new face change that approach?
As mentioned all year, our forwards rarely shoot or go for foal, instead they recycle the ball nearly every time. Why do Tyrone not play fast ball into the forwards, its not like we don't have the forwards to win the ball and take the score. Its hard to remember passages of play where a defender hits a quick ball in and the forward comes, collects and scores. I recall Penrose hitting one in for McAliskey at the start of the Donegal game and Carlin to the same man at the start of the Mayo game. It worked both times and its nearly impossible to stop. Thats the game plan we should be playing. If the like of McCurry, Coney, Ronan O'Neill and McAliskey were getting fed alot of ball they would get the scores. Instead they are not getting the ball in good positions, usually receive it in a lateral passage of passing more akin to rugby. Is Harte still manager to 2015?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 27, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
I'll throw one out to the Tyronies here on the back of the defeat of a potentially pretty good side. Mickey Harte has revolutionised Tyrone football and that is without a shadow of a doubt but do you feel that maybe now is the time to change? 200 games is a nice milestone and it may be the situation that to take this team and utilize the obvious talent that is there then a change is needed? Would it be time for Canavan to step into the hotseat and re-invigorate things? I get the impression from some that they are getting frustrated with Harte's negative approach to the game, may a new face change that approach?
Is Canavan the answer??? Absoltely not. He has achieved next to nothing as a manager and I for one would hate for him to be the next tyrone manager, although i fear this will someday be the case. He is the perfect example that good players do not automatically make good managers.
He has achieved nothing worth speaking of with Fermanagh, in his 3 years managing errigal Ciaran, who have 4 senior teams, and countless numbers to pick from he won 1-2 championship GAMES and delivered errigal 1 league title, pathetic.
And by all accounts he isnt the main man with regards the teams at holy trinity, i hear that is all down to the excellent work of another errigal man, adrian o'donnell.
Harte should be retained, deservedly for what he has achieved, or alternatively lack of a better option. But in a couple of years....(Manager) Ryan Porter, (Trainer) Peter donnelly, (Assistants) Adrian O'Donnell and Gavin Devlin.
Outside the County.......Kieran McGeeney
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 26, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
I thought Tyronies use to loudly boo at Peter Harte, now he's a vital top 3 player?
Huh? Peter Harte has never been booed, are you thinking of Mark Harte?
It's hard to tell, all you Tyronies look the same.
According to media reports at the time, there use to be some amount of booing by a sizable nr of Tyrone supporters against a player called Harte.
The booing was an issue and I remember Mickey Harte on a number of occasions speaking out against those morons.
But maybe that chapter has been wiped out of Tyrone history. :)
Maybe Harte organised the booing himself. Maybe Mickey was just deflecting attention away from a poor result.
Who can tell where the truth lies in Tyrone, ye guys just make up stories to put a suit on a denial and cling to it for dear life, no matter how absurd it appears to sensible folk. :)
Quote from: Main Street on August 27, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 26, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
I thought Tyronies use to loudly boo at Peter Harte, now he's a vital top 3 player?
Huh? Peter Harte has never been booed, are you thinking of Mark Harte?
It's hard to tell, all you Tyronies look the same.
According to media reports at the time, there use to be some amount of booing by a sizable nr of Tyrone supporters against a player called Harte.
The booing was an issue and I remember Mickey Harte on a number of occasions speaking out against those morons.
But maybe that chapter has been wiped out of Tyrone history. :)
Maybe Harte organised the booing himself. Maybe Mickey was just deflecting attention away from a poor result.
Who can tell where the truth lies in Tyrone, ye guys just make up stories to put a suit on a denial and cling to it for dear life, no matter how absurd it appears to sensible folk. :)
You're talking through your hole.
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 27, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
I'll throw one out to the Tyronies here on the back of the defeat of a potentially pretty good side. Mickey Harte has revolutionised Tyrone football and that is without a shadow of a doubt but do you feel that maybe now is the time to change? 200 games is a nice milestone and it may be the situation that to take this team and utilize the obvious talent that is there then a change is needed? Would it be time for Canavan to step into the hotseat and re-invigorate things? I get the impression from some that they are getting frustrated with Harte's negative approach to the game, may a new face change that approach?
Is Canavan the answer??? Absoltely not. He has achieved next to nothing as a manager and I for one would hate for him to be the next tyrone manager, although i fear this will someday be the case. He is the perfect example that good players do not automatically make good managers.
He has achieved nothing worth speaking of with Fermanagh, in his 3 years managing errigal Ciaran, who have 4 senior teams, and countless numbers to pick from he won 1-2 championship GAMES and delivered errigal 1 league title, pathetic.
And by all accounts he isnt the main man with regards the teams at holy trinity, i hear that is all down to the excellent work of another errigal man, adrian o'donnell.
Harte should be retained, deservedly for what he has achieved, or alternatively lack of a better option. But in a couple of years....(Manager) Ryan Porter, (Trainer) Peter donnelly, (Assistants) Adrian O'Donnell and Gavin Devlin.
Outside the County.......Kieran McGeeney
That's fair enough then, maybe Harte needs a need backroom team to freshen it all up then, have his successor in now to 'hand it over' per se. I have no love for Tyrone but the reality is that there is plenty of quality in that team and I feel it is being restricted by the tactics.
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 27, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
I'll throw one out to the Tyronies here on the back of the defeat of a potentially pretty good side. Mickey Harte has revolutionised Tyrone football and that is without a shadow of a doubt but do you feel that maybe now is the time to change? 200 games is a nice milestone and it may be the situation that to take this team and utilize the obvious talent that is there then a change is needed? Would it be time for Canavan to step into the hotseat and re-invigorate things? I get the impression from some that they are getting frustrated with Harte's negative approach to the game, may a new face change that approach?
Is Canavan the answer??? Absoltely not. He has achieved next to nothing as a manager and I for one would hate for him to be the next tyrone manager, although i fear this will someday be the case. He is the perfect example that good players do not automatically make good managers.
He has achieved nothing worth speaking of with Fermanagh, in his 3 years managing errigal Ciaran, who have 4 senior teams, and countless numbers to pick from he won 1-2 championship GAMES and delivered errigal 1 league title, pathetic.
And by all accounts he isnt the main man with regards the teams at holy trinity, i hear that is all down to the excellent work of another errigal man, adrian o'donnell.
Harte should be retained, deservedly for what he has achieved, or alternatively lack of a better option. But in a couple of years....(Manager) Ryan Porter, (Trainer) Peter donnelly, (Assistants) Adrian O'Donnell and Gavin Devlin.
Outside the County.......Kieran McGeeney
thats a very bitter post against the best player in the history of tyrone (alongside cavanagh probably). Agreed peter didnt win a championship with errigal but was beat by eventual winners in first round twice and then in quarters once. And as for fermanagh, its difficult to judge as not sure the quality of player is there to work with. Im not saying peter should be next tyrone manager but a bit of respect, he's no better or worse than other candidates you mentioned. Personally rate porter very high but he usually more of a coach than manager.
I also do agree that perhaps time for Mickey to step down. greatest manager in tyrone's history and one of the best but everything comes to a natural conclusion and I think this is his. can always return after a few years aswell if need be
its not a bitter post, it just states a true fact that peter canavan is nowhere near good enough, or ready at this moment in time to manage tyrone. He couldnt win the club championship at errigal, his succesor won it in his first year at the helm. The fact that he is the greatest player to have played the game has nothing to do with his ability as a manger.
Granted those others i named arent ready to manage tyrone either, but that is the problem, inside our own county i dont tink anyone even comes close to mickey harte, or has the managerial nouse to succeed him. The county board will stick with mickey for what he has achieved, and for lack of a better option.
True point about Porter being more of a coach, but i honestly cant think of anyone better for the modern game.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 27, 2013, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 27, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
I'll throw one out to the Tyronies here on the back of the defeat of a potentially pretty good side. Mickey Harte has revolutionised Tyrone football and that is without a shadow of a doubt but do you feel that maybe now is the time to change? 200 games is a nice milestone and it may be the situation that to take this team and utilize the obvious talent that is there then a change is needed? Would it be time for Canavan to step into the hotseat and re-invigorate things? I get the impression from some that they are getting frustrated with Harte's negative approach to the game, may a new face change that approach?
Is Canavan the answer??? Absoltely not. He has achieved next to nothing as a manager and I for one would hate for him to be the next tyrone manager, although i fear this will someday be the case. He is the perfect example that good players do not automatically make good managers.
He has achieved nothing worth speaking of with Fermanagh, in his 3 years managing errigal Ciaran, who have 4 senior teams, and countless numbers to pick from he won 1-2 championship GAMES and delivered errigal 1 league title, pathetic.
And by all accounts he isnt the main man with regards the teams at holy trinity, i hear that is all down to the excellent work of another errigal man, adrian o'donnell.
Harte should be retained, deservedly for what he has achieved, or alternatively lack of a better option. But in a couple of years....(Manager) Ryan Porter, (Trainer) Peter donnelly, (Assistants) Adrian O'Donnell and Gavin Devlin.
Outside the County.......Kieran McGeeney
That's fair enough then, maybe Harte needs a need backroom team to freshen it all up then, have his successor in now to 'hand it over' per se. I have no love for Tyrone but the reality is that there is plenty of quality in that team and I feel it is being restricted by the tactics.
There is plenty of quality in the panel and also in the County. Time for a new manager. Reputation has kept Harte in the job the past few years. He has been the greatest manager the Coutny has ever had but his time has come and gone. People will say this and that about their being no obvious replacement, but the same could have been said at the time Dublin brought in Gilroy or when Mayo and Donegal appointed Horan and McGuiness. Neither of these 3 were obvious saviours, yet they all reinvented the teams and transformed them for the better. Its worth noting that all 3 have had a big helping hand from others, with Gilroy having Micky Whelan as assistant, McGuiness brought in a strong team to cover every angle and Mayo have been transformed in certain areas under Donie Buckley. How good a coach is McElkennon or Tally - are they over-rated or is there a place for them anywhere?
Where has this Adrian O'Donnell stuff come from? Does he manage any teams with Errigal? Would he not need to be managing at club level? A school team is very different from coaching, managing or selecting at senior level. Are there not a few better recognised coaches at holy trinity?
and whats the craic with free staters pronouncing 'nephew', 'nev-view'? crazy stuff
Quote from: J OGorman on August 27, 2013, 11:24:31 AM
and whats the craic with free staters pronouncing 'nephew', 'nev-view'? crazy stuff
I counter with 'sickt' rather than sixth.
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 11:19:08 AM
its not a bitter post, it just states a true fact that peter canavan is nowhere near good enough, or ready at this moment in time to manage tyrone. He couldnt win the club championship at errigal, his succesor won it in his first year at the helm. The fact that he is the greatest player to have played the game has nothing to do with his ability as a manger.
Granted those others i named arent ready to manage tyrone either, but that is the problem, inside our own county i dont tink anyone even comes close to mickey harte, or has the managerial nouse to succeed him. The county board will stick with mickey for what he has achieved, and for lack of a better option.
True point about Porter being more of a coach, but i honestly cant think of anyone better for the modern game.
Wow that is some statement
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Quote from: rrhf on August 27, 2013, 06:43:52 AM
Aye 1 03 worse what was in it at the end
You are a sore loser!! What about the "disallowed" goal. Not offset a goal?!
Referee whistled was giving the handy free. Tyrone had stopped. What a shock when the ball hit the back of the net. I bought a Mayo flag after the game which I will take to the final.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 27, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
Where has this Adrian O'Donnell stuff come from? Does he manage any teams with Errigal? Would he not need to be managing at club level? A school team is very different from coaching, managing or selecting at senior level. Are there not a few better recognised coaches at holy trinity?
Don't really get this one myself. Not regarded as management material within Errigal as far as I know.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 27, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 11:19:08 AM
its not a bitter post, it just states a true fact that peter canavan is nowhere near good enough, or ready at this moment in time to manage tyrone. He couldnt win the club championship at errigal, his succesor won it in his first year at the helm. The fact that he is the greatest player to have played the game has nothing to do with his ability as a manger.
Granted those others i named arent ready to manage tyrone either, but that is the problem, inside our own county i dont tink anyone even comes close to mickey harte, or has the managerial nouse to succeed him. The county board will stick with mickey for what he has achieved, and for lack of a better option.
True point about Porter being more of a coach, but i honestly cant think of anyone better for the modern game.
Wow that is some statement
Sure football was only invented in 2003!! ::)
Quote from: orangeman on August 26, 2013, 12:22:16 PM
Mayo racked up 1-8 of their 1-16 total from nine Tyrone fouls. One was Dermot Carlin dragging down Colm Boyle for the penalty, which replays showed was actually outside the parallelogram. Another six resulted in pointed frees, while two scores came off quickly taken frees to inside forwards.
From Irish Times.
Interesting terminology. If it hadn't involved Tyrone, it probably have just been worded "Mayo scored 0-8 from play", as these stats usually tend to be worded; rather than saying they "scored 1-8 from Tyrone fouls".
I wonder what the thoughts might be on someone like, Dinky or Jody stepping in or Mattie McGleenan? Plenty of experience at club/schools level and certainly would have the respect of the player I would imagine? In as no 2 for the next season or 2 and then move up to no 1?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 27, 2013, 12:06:08 PM
I wonder what the thoughts might be on someone like, Dinky or Jody stepping in or Mattie McGleenan? Plenty of experience at club/schools level and certainly would have the respect of the player I would imagine? In as no 2 for the next season or 2 and then move up to no 1?
Pretty sure Tyrone would need to be mentally incapacitated to not let Mickey stay for as long as he wants. Few managers would have got as much from that panel.
I think Harte should stay on, but i would like to see someone like Horse Devlin taking over the U21s as well as staying involved in the senior set up.
It might give a bit more continuity to the whole thing and help bring teh new talent through.
In a very short period Mickey had indeed brought in a lot of fresh faces and kept us very competitive
Who would have thought after 2010 that we'd be back in a Div 1 final and get to the AI semis.
Unlike many other teams such as Armagh or Down, we seem to get to the quarterfinals now almost every year. Mickey has been replacing players consistently over the past 10 years as he says himself.
Gormley & Stevie are the only 2 possible/likely retirements I would suspect.
I think we have the players there if they were all fit but I just hope that Mickey stays on but changes his outlook of how we should play the game. If the Dubs win it this year playing the way they do I think we could say another change in direction. I sure hope so.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 27, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
I think Harte should stay on, but i would like to see someone like Horse Devlin taking over the U21s as well as staying involved in the senior set up.
It might give a bit more continuity to the whole thing and help bring teh new talent through.
I like the cut of yer jib. I think as a county we need to have a handover plan. I think of all aspects the experience Horse will have taken on board this year will be invaluable. There needs to be a new team built at under 21 level and minors as well who can bring us on. I think we will need all new faces with many of our 2000s personalities featuring.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 27, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
I think Harte should stay on, but i would like to see someone like Horse Devlin taking over the U21s as well as staying involved in the senior set up.
It might give a bit more continuity to the whole thing and help bring teh new talent through.
This. The U21s need more effort put into them and have a direct link to the senior setup. We have got to a league final and an AI Semi and there are the usual predictable crys for a change. I think he should have the job for as long as he wants it as nobody bar none could do better with the (average) squad available to him. There is good youth coming through and an AI winning team is not that far away.
Id like to see Gormley one more year but i could see Stevie Packie, Justin, Penrose, and a few others leaving from the panel. A major disappointment for me this year was those he let go from the previous year being replaced by more bench fodder. In an all ireland semi final you want a bench you can play. Id also like to see a new game plan developed for the resources we have, I dont mind if that is with Harte or without, but Id prefer him to stay on if he can do that job for Tyrone football which must be put first. That should be the motivation of us all.
here here rrhf. Tyrone need to overhaul their style of play, far too laborious in their build, too many good forwards forced to carry out defensive duties. And as you rightly point out, too much fodder on the bench. No-one to come into the game to change it or inject energy into the game. I think we are seriously devoid of a target man at full oforward, as hand on heart, i think every single full back he came up against got the better of o'neill this year. I think we need s cavanagh at full forward with skeet and mccurry either side, coney pulling he strings at 11, get other teams worrying about us instead of us worrying about our defence all the time and as a result employing negative tactics.
On a small aside, what must that do to ronan oneills confidence coming on as a sub to be taken off??the absolute curse for any footballer, unless he was hurt?????????
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
here here rrhf. Tyrone need to overhaul their style of play, far too laborious in their build, too many good forwards forced to carry out defensive duties. And as you rightly point out, too much fodder on the bench. No-one to come into the game to change it or inject energy into the game. I think we are seriously devoid of a target man at full oforward, as hand on heart, i think every single full back he came up against got the better of o'neill this year. I think we need s cavanagh at full forward with skeet and mccurry either side, coney pulling he strings at 11, get other teams worrying about us instead of us worrying about our defence all the time and as a result employing negative tactics.
On a small aside, what must that do to ronan oneills confidence coming on as a sub to be taken off??the absolute curse for any footballer, unless he was hurt?????????
I take it you just watch Championship football then?
Quote from: EC Unique on August 27, 2013, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
here here rrhf. Tyrone need to overhaul their style of play, far too laborious in their build, too many good forwards forced to carry out defensive duties. And as you rightly point out, too much fodder on the bench. No-one to come into the game to change it or inject energy into the game. I think we are seriously devoid of a target man at full oforward, as hand on heart, i think every single full back he came up against got the better of o'neill this year. I think we need s cavanagh at full forward with skeet and mccurry either side, coney pulling he strings at 11, get other teams worrying about us instead of us worrying about our defence all the time and as a result employing negative tactics.
On a small aside, what must that do to ronan oneills confidence coming on as a sub to be taken off??the absolute curse for any footballer, unless he was hurt?????????
I take it you just watch Championship football then?
In all honesty what use were Stevie O'Neill's performances in the league this year? If you don't perform in the Championship then it's been a poor season!
Exactly, no-one cares about the league, steven oneill had a brilliant league campaign, donegal were relegated, didnt do him one bit of good when neil mcgee got a hold of him in ballybofey. And if Dublin lose this sunday their players wont reflect on it as a good year as they won the league.
You cant live in the past and eulogise over how good steven oneill was and used to be, fact is, in the championship this year he was poor. Does he lead by example as a captain?
He scares the shit out of full back lines and makes runs to take defenders away leaving more room for the other forwards around him. All of the managers seen fit to have him double marked and at times triple marked so they obviously rate him highly. I would like to see him stay but maybe not as a starter. A FF line next year of Coney, McCurry and Ronan O Neill might be an option.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 27, 2013, 02:26:10 PM
He scares the shit out of full back lines and makes runs to take defenders away leaving more room for the other forwards around him. All of the managers seen fit to have him double marked and at times triple marked so they obviously rate him highly. I would like to see him stay but maybe not as a starter. A FF line next year of Coney, McCurry and Ronan O Neill might be an option.
Too light a ff line if you ask me. No ball winning ability apart from Mc Aliskey. Lets see how O'Neill and Coney perform in a full league programme before assuming both are the answer to Tyrone's problems!
Quote from: EC Unique on August 27, 2013, 02:26:10 PM
He scares the shit out of full back lines and makes runs to take defenders away leaving more room for the other forwards around him. All of the managers seen fit to have him double marked and at times triple marked so they obviously rate him highly. I would like to see him stay but maybe not as a starter. A FF line next year of Coney, McCurry and Ronan O Neill might be an option.
O'Neill isn't reliable enough any more, only because he is always crrying an injury at championship. BTW how you didn't mention Mc Aliskey in your front three puzzles me, Coney suffers from lack of genuine pace and is a bit windy, Mc Curry can't go pass men at that level and RON may make it, but hopefully will. Mc Aliskey had done more this season than the rest and you just choose to ignore him, must be an Errigal thing, because Mickey tried his best to ignore him but couldn't as skeet just wouldn't go away.
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on August 27, 2013, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 27, 2013, 02:26:10 PM
He scares the shit out of full back lines and makes runs to take defenders away leaving more room for the other forwards around him. All of the managers seen fit to have him double marked and at times triple marked so they obviously rate him highly. I would like to see him stay but maybe not as a starter. A FF line next year of Coney, McCurry and Ronan O Neill might be an option.
O'Neill isn't reliable enough any more, only because he is always crrying an injury at championship. BTW how you didn't mention Mc Aliskey in your front three puzzles me, Coney suffers from lack of genuine pace and is a bit windy, Mc Curry can't go pass men at that level and RON may make it, but hopefully will. Mc Aliskey had done more this season than the rest and you just choose to ignore him, must be an Errigal thing, because Mickey tried his best to ignore him but couldn't as skeet just wouldn't go away.
I did not ignore him. I just think the other 3 have more potential and raw talent. The definitely will be a job for McAliskey over the next few years as more than 3 will be needed and he is a great player. Can he play anywhere else other than the FF line?
I would hope that Coney gets a run at it injury free, as well as the rest. Coney was brilliant in the league last season before injury. I would like to see him establish himself at number 11 to be honest, think thats where he could really make a difference. He has great vision as well as score taking ability. As for SON, I said even at the time of the league that he wouldn't light up the championship purely because he would be double marked in any game he played or carrying injuries. It happened that he missed a few championship games through injury as well as being double marked and wrestled throughout most games he played.
Haven't posted since the game. Despite knowing that Mayo were the better team, and that they were bookies favourites by a long way for a reason, it's still gutting to be out. It was obvious from roughly when O'Neill went of that Mayo had gotten to grips with Tyrone and were now in full flow. That Tyrone team are no slouches, but at times the Mayo boys were making some of that Tyrone team look like they were running in syrup. They have really built up an unbelievable fitness which they've coupled to a drive and intensity that I don't think Dublin or Kerry will be able to match (OR at least I hope they don't).
Tyrone had two big losses in personel. While some may think O'Neill hasn't been great he's been occupying opponent's defenders in a way that neither RON or Coney were going to be able to. I'm not surprised that Mayo started breaking better from defence once he had gone of. Mayo obviously had their loss in this area as well and as a recipitent of about 8 shoulder dislocations myself I hope O'Connor's isn't too bad. But unfortunately it's one of these injuries that can reoccur regularly. I'm assuming he's not going to be right for the final?
I was surprised at the lack of impact by the Donnellys. Before hand I actually thought these two would be two of the main players for Tyrone, but they both seemed to run out of steam. Which again showed the running and intensity of Mayo, as these two covered some serious ground in previous games.
Defence wise, Gormely as always was good and McGinley really impressed me. Clarke over all had a good year and I expect him to progress into a key player over the next few years. There is no doubt about it Morgan was a big loss. Free kicks and kick outs were vital yesterday when trying to keep the ball away from the O'Shea's. And Packie just doesn't have the same level of accuracy.
But over all, it was a good year and there's plenty there for Tyrone to work with over the next few years. We stepped it up this year a bit from where a lot of people would have predicted we would have been at, and for me that's progress. If we can continue to do the same next year then who knows.
Meant to say, I wish Mayo all the best for the final, and I really hope they go on to win it. Great team.
The front 6 I would like to see get game time throughout next years national league, to see how they would gel.
10. Peter Harte
11. Kyle Coney
12. Joe McMahon
13. Conor McAliskey
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Darren McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
Would like to see mattie Donnelly moved to 6 as I feel he carries the ball well from this position, is strong in the tackle and in teh mdern game you need a chb who can create as well as defend.
Given how half backs attack i think peter hearte could be moulded into a brian dooher like role, carrying the ball out of defence and being more involved in an attacking role.
Joe MCMahon at 12, again as he can filter back when needed, is good on the ball, and with big sean at 14 he would be a viable option for kick-outs.
Mark Donnelly???
Im not sure about Mark Donnelly tbh. Granted, great player and brilliant at carrying ball (into the tackle most times i might add) but id rather have a forward line who will pose a threat going forward instead of always working back. In my opinion Mark Donnelly holds onto the ball too long instead of releasing it inside earlier. Probably should have him in somewhere but, in an attacking sense, where would you play him. I know this could be said of almost all tyrone forwards this year, but you have to admit, he doesnt score much.
Not a big scorer but wins a lot if frees with his ball carrying. I would definitely have him in there and would keep Cavanagh at MF. Coney as a possible FF if SON doesn't come back.
Cavanagh has been excellent at midfield, but you cant forget, the man was footballer of the year when played at FF
You know its interesting, whatever about the whys and wherefores of Mayo v whomever in the games so far, most of the other teams, who clearly have to be at an IC level of fitness, look absolutley f*cked after 30 minutes playing against Mayo. How could that be?
Was interesting to see some of all the ball skills, Aidan Higgins, Colum Boyle and Lee Keegan look absolutley Kerry like when on the ball, sprinting full belt and going toe to hand. Yes, you expect that from IC footballers, but after years of watching our county I have never seen players wearing the green and red look so comfortable on the ball. Doesnt mean we will win the all ireland but its good to see.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 27, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 27, 2013, 11:24:31 AM
and whats the craic with free staters pronouncing 'nephew', 'nev-view'? crazy stuff
I counter with 'sickt' rather than sixth.
Ack awe, about thyme someun addressed this sitchuaashionn.
Congratulations to Mayo, they were the better team on the day. Now they need to push on and win the Sam.....
Lets hope our minors make it to the final and I can get a day out !!?
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 03:22:36 PM
Im not sure about Mark Donnelly tbh. Granted, great player and brilliant at carrying ball (into the tackle most times i might add) but id rather have a forward line who will pose a threat going forward instead of always working back. In my opinion Mark Donnelly holds onto the ball too long instead of releasing it inside earlier. Probably should have him in somewhere but, in an attacking sense, where would you play him. I know this could be said of almost all tyrone forwards this year, but you have to admit, he doesnt score much.
Can't decide which is worse...wanting to start Coney or not wanting to start Mark Donnelly. Both bewildering.
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 27, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 03:22:36 PM
Im not sure about Mark Donnelly tbh. Granted, great player and brilliant at carrying ball (into the tackle most times i might add) but id rather have a forward line who will pose a threat going forward instead of always working back. In my opinion Mark Donnelly holds onto the ball too long instead of releasing it inside earlier. Probably should have him in somewhere but, in an attacking sense, where would you play him. I know this could be said of almost all tyrone forwards this year, but you have to admit, he doesnt score much.
Can't decide which is worse...wanting to start Coney or not wanting to start Mark Donnelly. Both bewildering.
That's not fair on Coney I think. He is a serious player with loads of natural talent. Since breaking into the senior squad he has had no luck with injuries and I think if he gets a season free of injury he will show what he can do. Donnelly is a great runner and worker but Tyrone seem to be producing too many of those. His scoring touch seems to have left him.. We need scoring forwards more than anything I think.
To be honest, there were men put off the panel at the start of the year were further developed than half the bench.
However:
We need to let go of some great servants who are too injury prone. There was too much banked on them being fit in that we built game plans around them.
We need a complete new midfield.
We need new wing and corner backs.
We can hold our heads high we scrapped well this year..
Mayo can win this all ireland and we should be fully behind them. They need to learn how to score unassisted in the first 25 minutes.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 27, 2013, 05:42:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 27, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 27, 2013, 03:22:36 PM
I'm not sure about Mark Donnelly tbh. Granted, great player and brilliant at carrying ball (into the tackle most times i might add) but id rather have a forward line who will pose a threat going forward instead of always working back. In my opinion Mark Donnelly holds onto the ball too long instead of releasing it inside earlier. Probably should have him in somewhere but, in an attacking sense, where would you play him. I know this could be said of almost all Tyrone forwards this year, but you have to admit, he doesn't score much.
Can't decide which is worse...wanting to start Coney or not wanting to start Mark Donnelly. Both bewildering.
That's not fair on Coney I think. He is a serious player with loads of natural talent. Since breaking into the senior squad he has had no luck with injuries and I think if he gets a season free of injury he will show what he can do. Donnelly is a great runner and worker but Tyrone seem to be producing too many of those. His scoring touch seems to have left him.. We need scoring forwards more than anything I think.
I think coney is just not a Tyrone(m Harte) type player in a more traditional set up his football skills would be shown to far greater effect. but probably not a great harrier and spoiler which seems to be the Prerequisite
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
Mayo for Sam, my ass!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Insightful!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2013, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 25, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
Mayo for Sam, my ass!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Insightful!
BennyCakes new diet seems to be affecting his mood.
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Quote from: iorras on August 27, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
You know its interesting, whatever about the whys and wherefores of Mayo v whomever in the games so far, most of the other teams, who clearly have to be at an IC level of fitness, look absolutley f*cked after 30 minutes playing against Mayo. How could that be?
Was interesting to see some of all the ball skills, Aidan Higgins, Colum Boyle and Lee Keegan look absolutley Kerry like when on the ball, sprinting full belt and going toe to hand. Yes, you expect that from IC footballers, but after years of watching our county I have never seen players wearing the green and red look so comfortable on the ball. Doesnt mean we will win the all ireland but its good to see.
Agree totally, also when Mayo run into the tackle, their ball retention is quite high, there were a couple of instances late in the game where two Tyrone players were coming into tackle a Mayo player, he simply put the foot down and the two tyrone players ended up running into each other, i think AOS's point was one of them.
I have been saying it all year, this Mayo team are a serious outfit...........
Was very impressed with Mayo's strength and speed which was always going to wear down tyrone I thought.
Very unimpressed with the ref, I am reminded of an old saying, to paraphrase, for our friends we interpret the law for others we enforce it. Mayo got the benefit of the doubt throughout. Typified for me by the sequence of events between Donal Vaughan's booking and his withdrawal, He rugby tackled a supporting runner causing the linesman to enter the field flagging then communicate with Deegan by radio who had a look in his book and decided not to issue a second yellow. Horan had him off the pitch within 30 seconds.
Quote from: trileacman on August 27, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 27, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 26, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
I thought Tyronies use to loudly boo at Peter Harte, now he's a vital top 3 player?
Huh? Peter Harte has never been booed, are you thinking of Mark Harte?
It's hard to tell, all you Tyronies look the same.
According to media reports at the time, there use to be some amount of booing by a sizable nr of Tyrone supporters against a player called Harte.
The booing was an issue and I remember Mickey Harte on a number of occasions speaking out against those morons.
But maybe that chapter has been wiped out of Tyrone history. :)
Maybe Harte organised the booing himself. Maybe Mickey was just deflecting attention away from a poor result.
Who can tell where the truth lies in Tyrone, ye guys just make up stories to put a suit on a denial and cling to it for dear life, no matter how absurd it appears to sensible folk. :)
You're talking through your hole.
Well Trileaceman, you have managed the very difficult, to make Tyronies appear even more clueless and defensive.
FosB's memory was more accurate when he mentioned Mark Harte.
It was indeed Mark who was the target of Tyrone boo boys and not Peter Harte, causing Mickey Harte to publically condemn those morons.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA%3A+BOO+BOYS+HAVE+GOT+NO+HARTE.-a0130763084 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA%3A+BOO+BOYS+HAVE+GOT+NO+HARTE.-a0130763084)
I do unreservedly apologise for confusing one Harte with another.
Quote from: Main Street on August 27, 2013, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 27, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 27, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 26, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
I thought Tyronies use to loudly boo at Peter Harte, now he's a vital top 3 player?
Huh? Peter Harte has never been booed, are you thinking of Mark Harte?
It's hard to tell, all you Tyronies look the same.
According to media reports at the time, there use to be some amount of booing by a sizable nr of Tyrone supporters against a player called Harte.
The booing was an issue and I remember Mickey Harte on a number of occasions speaking out against those morons.
But maybe that chapter has been wiped out of Tyrone history. :)
Maybe Harte organised the booing himself. Maybe Mickey was just deflecting attention away from a poor result.
Who can tell where the truth lies in Tyrone, ye guys just make up stories to put a suit on a denial and cling to it for dear life, no matter how absurd it appears to sensible folk. :)
You're talking through your hole.
Well Trileaceman, you have managed the very difficult, to make Tyronies appear even more clueless and defensive.
FosB's memory was more accurate when he mentioned Mark Harte.
It was indeed Mark who was the target of Tyrone boo boys and not Peter Harte, causing Mickey Harte to publically condemn those morons.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA%3A+BOO+BOYS+HAVE+GOT+NO+HARTE.-a0130763084 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA%3A+BOO+BOYS+HAVE+GOT+NO+HARTE.-a0130763084)
I do unreservedly apologise for confusing one Harte with another.
What's that? You were wrong? Sorry tis hard to make out from your windy preamble.
Quote from: trileacman on August 27, 2013, 10:40:36 PM
What's that? You were wrong? Sorry tis hard to make out from your windy preamble.
That would be an interpretation of sorts, regardless of how difficult it was for you to master a few lines in a post, congratulations I suppose.
Tyronies boo a Harte and it turns out to be the wrong Harte.
Go back to rattling your empty vessel ;D
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Spot on, but sure we are Mayo, we will keep calm and carry on.
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Wasn't even close to being a free. Hope you aren't a free!
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Watch the incident that led to that kick out! Cillian o'Connor appeared to injure his shoulder in the incident that led to the free approx 8 mins into the game. He was running along the endline being tackled by Joe McMahon and Mark Donnelly. Donnelly tries to push him out of play and he lands on his shoulder - a free is given. The resultant kick out led to the Gormley incident.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2013, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Watch the incident that led to that kick out! Cillian o'Connor appeared to injure his shoulder in the incident that led to the free approx 8 mins into the game. He was running along the endline being tackled by Joe McMahon and Mark Donnelly. Donnelly tries to push him out of play and he lands on his shoulder - a free is given. The resultant kick out led to the Gormley incident.
I agree and don't dispute any of that. I noticed at the time how slow he was to get up.
While no fan of Gormley, he would have contested the exact same way regardless of who the player was. It was shit bad luck that it happened to be O'Connor. I think the damage was done before that when McMahon fouled O'Connor out over the end line for which a free was given. O'Connor landed on the bad shoulder and got up fairly gingerly after it. I'm not saying McMahon targeted O'Connor deliberately, just that it was unfortunate how he landed after the foul.
A few slightly worrying aspects from watching the match again on TV. While Tyrone set up and started well, succeeded in frustrating us, the first half performance of some Mayo players was concerning. Caff, McLoughlin and O'Shea gave ball away under no pressure on several occasions. McLoughlin, especially played the worst half of football he has ever played. Cafferkey got caught out for about 3 early points as well as giving a pass away which ended up being a pointed free to Tyrone. O'Shea also kicked a bad pass out of defence which resulted in a Tyrone score, as well as getting frustrated with being crowded out of the game early on. All three improved in the 2nd half, but it just worries me whether it was a result of the early pressure Tyrone applied or a sign that we haven't completely shaken off the slow start-itis that has afflicted us at one stage or another over the last 12-18 months, especially considering how important these 3 players are to our overall game.
I really hope Freeman continues his upward graph. He has improved bit by bit in every championship and is obviously riding a wave of confidence. His 2nd half point from play was first class, winning the ball then almost pirouetting to turn Gormley and swing it over. Credit too to Alan Dillon, who I feel has been getting a lot of unfair criticism this summer. Kicked 2 points, the first of which was excellent, provided a fantastic kick pass for Freeman's point and won some of the breaks the 2nd quarter that helped build our momentum in that period. Conroy was great when he came on, looked razor sharp for his first competitive appearance of the summer and must definitely be in contention to start the final. Andy unfortunately just can't seem to find some of his 2011 form, with Cillian more than likely missing it would be a great boost if he could. Seamie O'Shea definitely eclipsed his brother, IMO he is actually faster on the ball than Aidan. Boyle, Keegan, Barrett, Cunniffe and Higgins (when he eventually got going) were very good. The ability of these guys defensively and offensively is impressive and huge part of our game. I firmly believe we can improve on the poor aspects of Sundays performance ie shot selection, wides. Just hope that the lethargy of our first half performance was a once off.
Quote from: Main Street on August 27, 2013, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 27, 2013, 10:40:36 PM
What's that? You were wrong? Sorry tis hard to make out from your windy preamble.
That would be an interpretation of sorts, regardless of how difficult it was for you to master a few lines in a post, congratulations I suppose.
Tyronies boo a Harte and it turns out to be the wrong Harte.
Go back to rattling your empty vessel ;D
There's no interpretation, you were wrong. End of.
Pat Doherty Croke park appointments and the bound Pat MC Enaney reckon Deegan is having a great season and was spot on on Sunday with the penalty etc.
So Mayo and Tyrone supporters will have to revise their views on his performance.
Pat reckons television replays show Deegan was right to award the penalty.
There's no point arguing with Pat - he's the referee, sorry he's the head of referees now and there's no point arguing with him cos he won't change his mind.
I've watched it 20 times and still can't tell definitively
If he got if wrong, it's wrong by an inch
The foul began on the line but it he was definitely inside by the time he was put to ground.
Look at it closely, it was the hip check the put him down not the initial attempt at a push
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 29, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
It was clearly a case of the stronger man came out of the tackle, simple as. Cunniffe has about an extra 2-3 years strength and conditioning work under his belt, he smashed harte with a fair shoulder and thats the end of it. Two gingers went in, one came out.
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 29, 2013, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 29, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
It was clearly a case of the stronger man came out of the tackle, simple as. Cunniffe has about an extra 2-3 years strength and conditioning work under his belt, he smashed harte with a fair shoulder and thats the end of it. Two gingers went in, one came out.
I wouldn't say its anything to do with strength. Harte was outstretching for a ball and was exposed whereas Cunniffe's intention was to go in hard with a shoulder. Cunniffe had the momentum and won the challenge fair and square. Anybody who has received a hit can testify that in most cases its usually the way you fall that causes an injury or the accidental collision of a mans leg (knee) into the oppositions quad/thigh.
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Glad someone else spotted that! I just thought I was the only one. I saw this and I believe it's the dark arts at play, however, nobody else or Mayo team for that matter have complained about the tackle. So maybe the benefit of the doubt should be applied.
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 29, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Glad someone else spotted that! I just thought I was the only one. I saw this and I believe it's the dark arts at play, however, nobody else or Mayo team for that matter have complained about the tackle. So maybe the benefit of the doubt should be applied.
Wise up! ::)
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 29, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Glad someone else spotted that! I just thought I was the only one. I saw this and I believe it's the dark arts at play, however, nobody else or Mayo team for that matter have complained about the tackle. So maybe the benefit of the doubt should be applied.
CCCCCC apparently are looking at this so Conor can expect a call from the CCCCC shortly and hopefully it sticks this time.
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 29, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Glad someone else spotted that! I just thought I was the only one. I saw this and I believe it's the dark arts at play, however, nobody else or Mayo team for that matter have complained about the tackle. So maybe the benefit of the doubt should be applied.
Oh FFS!
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 29, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Glad someone else spotted that! I just thought I was the only one. I saw this and I believe it's the dark arts at play, however, nobody else or Mayo team for that matter have complained about the tackle. So maybe the benefit of the doubt should be applied.
That's hilarious!
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 29, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
I have watched the injury to Cillian O'Connor a number of times.
O'Connor gave himself the advantage from the kick-out by knocking the ball down to himself with his marker behind him. The injury is caused by Conor Gormley pulling Cillian's left arm back in a direction that would be awkward given the direction that O'Connor was moving. It was also compounded by whatever underlying state O'Connor's shoulder was in. I'll leave than to the experts. The pull lasted barely a second and in fairness to Gormley looked more instinctive than anything else.
However it was a definite free and resulted in us losing the player. Tyrone scored immediately from Gormley picking up the (now) lose ball.
it is at 11:17 on here: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/ (http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10193065/)
Glad someone else spotted that! I just thought I was the only one. I saw this and I believe it's the dark arts at play, however, nobody else or Mayo team for that matter have complained about the tackle. So maybe the benefit of the doubt should be applied.
There wasn't even a tackle - O'connor injured himself just before that incident and he over stretched the injury going for the ball with Gormley and it did for him. So unless Gormley's "dark arts" include mind bending which forced Cillian O'Connor to reach for a ball with an injured shoulder - your talking nonsense.
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 29, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
I don't know. when I was growing up, a fair shoulder was used when two players were running in the direction of the ball side by side-that was the training drill. The shoulder 'hit' where somebody gets nailed because they are shouldered from an opposite angle with the ball or reaching for the ball has crept into football and hurling this past ten years (as players have become physically stronger) and is seen as something acceptable where it should be viewed as something dangerous. I think that they have clamped down somewhat on this tackle in hurling this year.
What's your feelings on Aiden O'Shea's tr**p-actin' -grasping at Col Cav's throat, dropping the knee and then clutching his face after big Packie gave him a dunder? is that good clean football? CCCCCCCCCC?
It should be a hop ball instead of a free out...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
It should be a hop ball instead of a free out...
It should be a Mayo penalty because a Tyrone player was on the pitch at the same time as COC got injured - MH logic.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 29, 2013, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 29, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
I don't know. when I was growing up, a fair shoulder was used when two players were running in the direction of the ball side by side-that was the training drill. The shoulder 'hit' where somebody gets nailed because they are shouldered from an opposite angle with the ball or reaching for the ball has crept into football and hurling this past ten years (as players have become physically stronger) and is seen as something acceptable where it should be viewed as something dangerous. I think that they have clamped down somewhat on this tackle in hurling this year.
What's your feelings on Aiden O'Shea's tr**p-actin' -grasping at Col Cav's throat, dropping the knee and then clutching his face after big Packie gave him a dunder? is that good clean football? CCCCCCCCCC?
My feelings on that were Colm Cavanagh went down very easy, as soon as he felt any sort of contact on the way up he leapt backwards. It was very similar to when McFadden tried to con the ref into getting O'Shea booked in the 1/4 final. Yes there was contact and yes it was a free. What O'Shea did after he got tackled by the keeper was inexcusable and when he watches it again on TV he will naturally feel emabarrassed. There's no place for that in the game.
By the way what are your feelings on what Penrose did to Dessie Moane?
Quote from: Whishtup on August 29, 2013, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 29, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
I don't know. when I was growing up, a fair shoulder was used when two players were running in the direction of the ball side by side-that was the training drill. The shoulder 'hit' where somebody gets nailed because they are shouldered from an opposite angle with the ball or reaching for the ball has crept into football and hurling this past ten years (as players have become physically stronger) and is seen as something acceptable where it should be viewed as something dangerous. I think that they have clamped down somewhat on this tackle in hurling this year.
What's your feelings on Aiden O'Shea's tr**p-actin' -grasping at Col Cav's throat, dropping the knee and then clutching his face after big Packie gave him a dunder? is that good clean football? CCCCCCCCCC?
Cavanagh ran into him.
AOS already recieved a card, no further action.
Third man tackle from PMcC, defo CCC need to address his actions as he went unpunished.
What Penrose did to Mone was a foolish red card compounded by Mone's reaction. If that was a red then AOS' was definitely a red-this was the only real dirty tackle in the game. If you 'run into' someones hand that happens to be in a grasping position around the throat-you'd soon fall back too. Had Cavanagh lay down clutching his face like O'Shea, it would've been red. Big Packie should have got a yellow too but what he did was mild.
AOS just happens to be the 'Blue eyed boy' at the minute-he can do no wrong-if you ask me, he's a liability. Gave away a point just after that too after kicking the ball straight to a Tyrone player.
Aiden O Shea a liability????????.oh my God .Over a 150 pages on this game and the standard of posting is going lower and lower.
This bullshit shouldnt went by 50 pgs, game was a foregone conclusion anyway
Quit lads Lets just hope the ccc dosent mess up the build up to the final and try and take out o se.,as one buck said. If the ccc were about in 96!mayo would have won the all Ireland
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Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
I don't know. when I was growing up, a fair shoulder was used when two players were running in the direction of the ball side by side-that was the training drill. The shoulder 'hit' where somebody gets nailed because they are shouldered from an opposite angle with the ball or reaching for the ball has crept into football and hurling this past ten years (as players have become physically stronger) and is seen as something acceptable where it should be viewed as something dangerous. I think that they have clamped down somewhat on this tackle in hurling this year.
What's your feelings on Aiden O'Shea's tr**p-actin' -grasping at Col Cav's throat, dropping the knee and then clutching his face after big Packie gave him a dunder? is that good clean football? CCCCCCCCCC?
Cavanagh ran into him.
AOS already recieved a card, no further action.
Third man tackle from PMcC, defo CCC need to address his actions as he went unpunished.
AOS got the yellow card for the dangerous tackle to CC neck. He should have gotten another for the shameful dive. My only respite for him is that I think he was trying to take the attention of the tackle when he did hit the ground. Doesn't excuse him, but at least I don't think he was trying to get another player sent of.
AOS may have express his pain at being Hit by the Tyrone Goalie by Clutching his face but he was definitely assaulted by him and that's where a Straight red card should have been issued .
the Situation had nothing to do with the Goalie but in some probably planned attempt to ' Get at ' Oshea , Mac connell tried to take him out
AOS had 2 option hit back or go to the ground. hit back and he was gone go to ground and his assailant should have been Punished.
he wasn't not even with a hop Ball.
cowardly stuff from the Ref.
Assualted?? ;D It was a shoulder, when AOS was bending down, Yella card at worst. No contact to AOS face, despite his clutching of it. Shameful stuff from him, no matter how ya want to butter it up.
PS Definitely stupid by Packie, and should have been a yellow card and a hop ball. But that's not taking away from AOS's actions.
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Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
I don't know. when I was growing up, a fair shoulder was used when two players were running in the direction of the ball side by side-that was the training drill. The shoulder 'hit' where somebody gets nailed because they are shouldered from an opposite angle with the ball or reaching for the ball has crept into football and hurling this past ten years (as players have become physically stronger) and is seen as something acceptable where it should be viewed as something dangerous. I think that they have clamped down somewhat on this tackle in hurling this year.
What's your feelings on Aiden O'Shea's tr**p-actin' -grasping at Col Cav's throat, dropping the knee and then clutching his face after big Packie gave him a dunder? is that good clean football? CCCCCCCCCC?
Cavanagh ran into him.
AOS already recieved a card, no further action.
Third man tackle from PMcC, defo CCC need to address his actions as he went unpunished.
AOS got the yellow card for the dangerous tackle to CC neck. He should have gotten another for the shameful dive. My only respite for him is that I think he was trying to take the attention of the tackle when he did hit the ground. Doesn't excuse him, but at least I don't think he was trying to get another player sent of.
Are you for real? You seriously think that Gaelic football is getting more dangerous?? Or that in the past only 2 people moving in the same direction shouldered each other?? What a complete load of of crap! There was one serious hit in that game on Sunday, Cunniffe on Harte, which was hard but fair as he was hit as soon as he got his hands on the ball and was open for it.
People like you complaining about the physicality of the game are full of sh*t, its NOWHERE near as tough or hard as it was even 15 years ago, You are confusing conditioning with physicality. Some of the things Deegan blew frees for on Sunday were laughable. If it continues down this road it'll become a complete non contact sport. Imo its a big part of the reason why so many games, even close ones, are non-events and unwatchable.
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Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
I don't know. when I was growing up, a fair shoulder was used when two players were running in the direction of the ball side by side-that was the training drill. The shoulder 'hit' where somebody gets nailed because they are shouldered from an opposite angle with the ball or reaching for the ball has crept into football and hurling this past ten years (as players have become physically stronger) and is seen as something acceptable where it should be viewed as something dangerous. I think that they have clamped down somewhat on this tackle in hurling this year.
What's your feelings on Aiden O'Shea's tr**p-actin' -grasping at Col Cav's throat, dropping the knee and then clutching his face after big Packie gave him a dunder? is that good clean football? CCCCCCCCCC?
Cavanagh ran into him.
AOS already recieved a card, no further action.
Third man tackle from PMcC, defo CCC need to address his actions as he went unpunished.
AOS got the yellow card for the dangerous tackle to CC neck. He should have gotten another for the shameful dive. My only respite for him is that I think he was trying to take the attention of the tackle when he did hit the ground. Doesn't excuse him, but at least I don't think he was trying to get another player sent of.
Are you for real? You seriously think that Gaelic football is getting more dangerous?? Or that in the past only 2 people moving in the same direction shouldered each other?? What a complete load of of crap! There was one serious hit in that game on Sunday, Cunniffe on Harte, which was hard but fair as he was hit as soon as he got his hands on the ball and was open for it.
People like you complaining about the physicality of the game are full of sh*t, its NOWHERE near as tough or hard as it was even 15 years ago, You are confusing conditioning with physicality. Some of the things Deegan blew frees for on Sunday were laughable. If it continues down this road it'll become a complete non contact sport. Imo its a big part of the reason why so many games, even close ones, are non-events and unwatchable.
Agreed, Deegan's has to be one of the more infuriating refs out there at the moment. Watched the whole game there yesterday, he did award us some soft frees and the penalty decision was debatable, at the same time he never whistled for far more blatant fouling that went on and his call back on Freeman's goal was disgraceful. When modern county players are training, playing and living like professional athletes, they deserve better than the sort of amateurish, inconsistent and incompetent refereeing that's going on at inter county level at the moment.
Re Cunniffe's shoulder, I would maybe draw more of a point from what Horan said in the lead up to the Donegal game. He stated that football now has 30 guys on a field who are now stronger, faster and more conditioned than say 10-15 years ago and as a result when there are collisions the impact's going to be bigger. The collision injuries ie concussion, broken bones in modern rugby are more frequent for exactly the same reason, the players are getting bigger and more powerful as time goes by. It could be argued that Gaelic games, especially football is going the same way.
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Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
Yeah 'twas the use of the hip done the business on petie Harte as well
Ah look here, are ye seriously still going on about this? Have you ever played football?? No way in hell is a ref going to give a free for that. It was shoulder to shoulder, fair and square.
Harte came off worse because he didn't enter the tackle with the intensity that Cunnife did. What do you expect, Cunnife to allow Harte stroll in on goal? He did his job and fair f&$@s to him for doing so. If he pulled out of that challenge he would be hauled off straight away. Cunnife set the tone for the rest of the game, Mayo weren't going to lie down and were going to battle for every dingle ball. His team-mates would have been inspired by that challenge.
You know as well as I do the difference between that and what Penrose did against Monaghan. If ya cant take good clean football then you're following the wrong sport.
I don't know. when I was growing up, a fair shoulder was used when two players were running in the direction of the ball side by side-that was the training drill. The shoulder 'hit' where somebody gets nailed because they are shouldered from an opposite angle with the ball or reaching for the ball has crept into football and hurling this past ten years (as players have become physically stronger) and is seen as something acceptable where it should be viewed as something dangerous. I think that they have clamped down somewhat on this tackle in hurling this year.
What's your feelings on Aiden O'Shea's tr**p-actin' -grasping at Col Cav's throat, dropping the knee and then clutching his face after big Packie gave him a dunder? is that good clean football? CCCCCCCCCC?
Cavanagh ran into him.
AOS already recieved a card, no further action.
Third man tackle from PMcC, defo CCC need to address his actions as he went unpunished.
AOS got the yellow card for the dangerous tackle to CC neck. He should have gotten another for the shameful dive. My only respite for him is that I think he was trying to take the attention of the tackle when he did hit the ground. Doesn't excuse him, but at least I don't think he was trying to get another player sent of.
Are you for real? You seriously think that Gaelic football is getting more dangerous?? Or that in the past only 2 people moving in the same direction shouldered each other?? What a complete load of of crap! There was one serious hit in that game on Sunday, Cunniffe on Harte, which was hard but fair as he was hit as soon as he got his hands on the ball and was open for it.
People like you complaining about the physicality of the game are full of sh*t, its NOWHERE near as tough or hard as it was even 15 years ago, You are confusing conditioning with physicality. Some of the things Deegan blew frees for on Sunday were laughable. If it continues down this road it'll become a complete non contact sport. Imo its a big part of the reason why so many games, even close ones, are non-events and unwatchable.
Calm down. I meant dangerous play. As in the foul was for "dangerous play". I'm far from complaining about the state of physicality in the game today. I'd agree that things have gone soft in certain areas. Which is why I was saying Packie should have only gotten a yellow card for his tackle and not the red others on here were crying for. I notice you didn't over react to others claiming Packie's was an assault. ::)
Anybody who thinks Cunniffe's shoulder was anything other than textbook needs to have a word with themselves or go and watch a more genteel sport. Anyone who thinks that A O'S's dive while clutching his face was anything other than disgraceful needs to have a word with themselves or get involved in another sport as ours doesn't need you.
'trueblue1234' made a good point about O'Shea's actions, he probably did it in some vain attempt to take the refs attention from his own foul which he felt might be interpreted as a red card. However, we need to condemn that behaviour regardless of who does it.
'rosnarun' gave O'Shea only 2 options, but he had a third, one that used to be the only option. He could have got up and told McConnell 'if he didn't f**k back off in to goal he'd land him in the canal end with a slap' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado), to which Packie would have replied 'any shot from a Mayo man aimed at the canal end would more likely end in the upper Hogan you bandy legged b*****ks' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado) honour maintained all round and handshakes at the end of the game with a bit of banter about their earlier altercation.
It baffles me how anyone can see that shoulder by Cunniffe as anything other than the perfect hit. He challenged the man to get the ball and both men hit shoulder to shoulder. One was stronger than the other, simple as that.
Dont remember anybody outside of Armagh supporters condemn Jordan for going down holding his face even though he wasnt hit against Armagh all them yrs ago
Plenty of abuse directed against Donal Vaughan after the 2012 league final for feigning injury, despite plenty of evidence that he was struck twice in the course of that game and nothing done about it by the ref who was (surprise, surprise) Deegan.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2013, 02:21:10 PM
Dont remember anybody outside of Armagh supporters condemn Jordan for going down holding his face even though he wasnt hit against Armagh all them yrs ago
Plenty of people did, as they did when O'Mahoney went down clutching his face against Cork, same with the Donegal lad who went down after Connolly pushed him in the chest. Far too many examples of this rubbish, time to condemn this and not try to justify it when one of your own do it. It's a blight on the great game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2013, 02:21:10 PM
Dont remember anybody outside of Armagh supporters condemn Jordan for going down holding his face even though he wasnt hit against Armagh all them yrs ago
Nonsense, there was plenty directed against him. In particular on here.
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2013, 02:21:10 PM
Dont remember anybody outside of Armagh supporters condemn Jordan for going down holding his face even though he wasnt hit against Armagh all them yrs ago
Plenty of people did, as they did when O'Mahoney went down clutching his face against Cork, same with the Donegal lad who went down after Connolly pushed him in the chest. Far too many examples of this rubbish, time to condemn this and not try to justify it when one of your own do it. It's a blight on the great game.
+1
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2013, 01:59:09 PM
Anybody who thinks Cunniffe's shoulder was anything other than textbook needs to have a word with themselves or go and watch a more genteel sport. Anyone who thinks that A O'S's dive while clutching his face was anything other than disgraceful needs to have a word with themselves or get involved in another sport as ours doesn't need you.
'trueblue1234' made a good point about O'Shea's actions, he probably did it in some vain attempt to take the refs attention from his own foul which he felt might be interpreted as a red card. However, we need to condemn that behaviour regardless of who does it.
'rosnarun' gave O'Shea only 2 options, but he had a third, one that used to be the only option. He could have got up and told McConnell 'if he didn't f**k back off in to goal he'd land him in the canal end with a slap' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado), to which Packie would have replied 'any shot from a Mayo man aimed at the canal end would more likely end in the upper Hogan you bandy legged b*****ks' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado) honour maintained all round and handshakes at the end of the game with a bit of banter about their earlier altercation.
+1
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2013, 01:59:09 PM
Anybody who thinks Cunniffe's shoulder was anything other than textbook needs to have a word with themselves or go and watch a more genteel sport. Anyone who thinks that A O'S's dive while clutching his face was anything other than disgraceful needs to have a word with themselves or get involved in another sport as ours doesn't need you.
'trueblue1234' made a good point about O'Shea's actions, he probably did it in some vain attempt to take the refs attention from his own foul which he felt might be interpreted as a red card. However, we need to condemn that behaviour regardless of who does it.
'rosnarun' gave O'Shea only 2 options, but he had a third, one that used to be the only option. He could have got up and told McConnell 'if he didn't f**k back off in to goal he'd land him in the canal end with a slap' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado), to which Packie would have replied 'any shot from a Mayo man aimed at the canal end would more likely end in the upper Hogan you bandy legged b*****ks' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado) honour maintained all round and handshakes at the end of the game with a bit of banter about their earlier altercation.
Good post.
Quote from: orangeman on August 30, 2013, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2013, 01:59:09 PM
Anybody who thinks Cunniffe's shoulder was anything other than textbook needs to have a word with themselves or go and watch a more genteel sport. Anyone who thinks that A O'S's dive while clutching his face was anything other than disgraceful needs to have a word with themselves or get involved in another sport as ours doesn't need you.
'trueblue1234' made a good point about O'Shea's actions, he probably did it in some vain attempt to take the refs attention from his own foul which he felt might be interpreted as a red card. However, we need to condemn that behaviour regardless of who does it.
'rosnarun' gave O'Shea only 2 options, but he had a third, one that used to be the only option. He could have got up and told McConnell 'if he didn't f**k back off in to goal he'd land him in the canal end with a slap' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado), to which Packie would have replied 'any shot from a Mayo man aimed at the canal end would more likely end in the upper Hogan you bandy legged b*****ks' (or some other such on-field verbal bravado) honour maintained all round and handshakes at the end of the game with a bit of banter about their earlier altercation.
Good post.
so mealy mouthed words without any intention if backing it up is how you recommend maintaing honour.
AOS showed admirable retraint for ending what tyrone tried to make into a big Situation. A younger version of himself would have giving the Mcconnell the kicking he was looking for
Nonsense. He disgraced himself and the game and but you are far worse. At least Aiden is out there playing the game making mistakes, doing great things and putting his body on the line for the cause of Mayo football. However you are trying to defend a trait in our game that is shameful because of who did it last Sunday. If it was a Tyrone man you'd be up in arms. Feigning injury like that is a disgrace to our game and is not confined to one county or one player and that is a very regrettable thing to be able to say. Until we all condemn this whenever it happens regardless of who does it then it will only get worse.
I coach kids football in Britain and I constantly preach that footballers don't go down unless they are genuinely injured but unfortunately I increasingly can't show these kids full games as current IC players are making me out to be a liar. This isn't about 'hard man' stuff, it's about the games integrity. Mick Lyons shows us how to deal with it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWFBVpAtv2s
Fair game, fair result, all the little incidents ye are over examining are just that,little incidents that happen in every game.
I was wrong in my prediction that we would bate them out the gate, they kept it tight like a lot predicted for a while, still think we could of won by more in the end.
Tyrone supporters I mixed with for a while, great bunch of lads.
Best of luck in the future.
Alright - the game is long over and Mayo have a final to look forward to.
Time to lock 'er up :)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 30, 2013, 06:39:02 PM
Alright - the game is long over and Mayo have a final to look forward to.
Time to lock 'er up :)
Good call.
Good luck to Mayo in the final.
In my opinion, if O Shea had just got up after the shoulder Packie would have definitely got a card. His play acting distracted everyone....including Deegan!!
Far too much of this "+1" shite on the board these days.
Quote from: StephenC on August 30, 2013, 07:33:27 PM
Far too much of this "+1" shite on the board these days.
+1