David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?

[Blowitupref]

But never win a senior all-Ireland club. He could with the club down the road.

Since 1996 only one Kerry Club has won a Senior Club All Ireland Final.

That's one title in 27 years.


Playing for a Kerry Senior club does not guaranteed AI club success.

Which tells us the current Kerry club format makes it easier for their club teams to win the Junior and intermediate All Ireland titles and  harder to win the senior AI?

[Wildweasel74]

Fossa I don't think strong enough to win a inter club all-Ireland, without the Clifford's they wouldn't have  beat Stewartstown, only other stand out player for them was their tall No.15.

[clarshack]

Fossa I don't think strong enough to win a inter club all-Ireland, without the Clifford's they wouldn't have  beat Stewartstown, only other stand out player for them was their tall No.15.

Whoever wins the Kerry Intermediate Final will win Munster at a canter. Rathmore last year won the Munster Semi by 8 points, Final by 10 points and All-Ireland semi by 9 points. The Munster champions are scheduled to play Connacht this time around so it will depend who comes out of the West to see can stop the Kerry champions getting to Croke Park. On the other side of the draw Clonoe are red hot favourites to win Tyrone and Ulster and a Fossa v Clonoe All-Ireland Final if it were to happen would be tight (and spicy). Matt Rennie the Fossa midfielder was outstanding against Austin Stacks so they have obviously other players apart from the Cliffords. They are a very big physical side and will be hard to stop again this year.

[JoG2]

This thread was started 5 years ago when Clifford was in his late teens. Considering the hype then (and now) and the burden on such a young man's shoulders, it's testament to the man that he has lived up to the hype and delivered for both club and county year after year. Surpassed the Gooch imo

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

But never win a senior all-Ireland club. He could with the club down the road.

Since 1996 only one Kerry Club has won a Senior Club All Ireland Final.

That's one title in 27 years.


Playing for a Kerry Senior club does not guaranteed AI club success.

Which tells us the current Kerry club format makes it easier for their club teams to win the Junior and intermediate All Ireland titles and  harder to win the senior AI?

Probably a fair enough summary. There's only 8 Senior clubs (and 10 divisional sides) in Kerry SFC now and almost everyone realises it should be pushed up to 10 clubs which would have a big knock on effect at Intermediate and Junior level.
Croke park are saying no  to it though. They are saying 16 team only is going to be a rigid rule for SFC in every county. Which is absolutely stupid if you ask me. In Cork for example there are 245 clubs and Croke park are saying the same rule should apply there as to Leitrim with 20 odd clubs.

Similar to the minor age grade debacle, the people making decisions in Croke park are far, far removed from the realities on the ground and making decisions that can have a detrimental effect on clubs and players. Kerry are not going to sacrifice the quality of SFC or the Divisional structure that has served us so well over the years, so until Croke park take their head out of their ar5e then the admitted imbalance in Kerry Intermediate and Junior winners will remain.

[From the Bunker]

But never win a senior all-Ireland club. He could with the club down the road.

Since 1996 only one Kerry Club has won a Senior Club All Ireland Final.

That's one title in 27 years.


Playing for a Kerry Senior club does not guaranteed AI club success.

Which tells us the current Kerry club format makes it easier for their club teams to win the Junior and intermediate All Ireland titles and  harder to win the senior AI?

Probably a fair enough summary. There's only 8 Senior clubs (and 10 divisional sides) in Kerry SFC now and almost everyone realises it should be pushed up to 10 clubs which would have a big knock on effect at Intermediate and Junior level.
Croke park are saying no  to it though. They are saying 16 team only is going to be a rigid rule for SFC in every county. Which is absolutely stupid if you ask me. In Cork for example there are 245 clubs and Croke park are saying the same rule should apply there as to Leitrim with 20 odd clubs.

Similar to the minor age grade debacle, the people making decisions in Croke park are far, far removed from the realities on the ground and making decisions that can have a detrimental effect on clubs and players. Kerry are not going to sacrifice the quality of SFC or the Divisional structure that has served us so well over the years, so until Croke park take their head out of their ar5e then the admitted imbalance in Kerry Intermediate and Junior winners will remain.

This comment is fair enough. Kerry have the best championship system for giving good players a high level of competitive football.
It's up to Croke Park to come up with a solution to the Intermediate and Junior AI club fiasco.

[twohands!!!]

But never win a senior all-Ireland club. He could with the club down the road.

Since 1996 only one Kerry Club has won a Senior Club All Ireland Final.

That's one title in 27 years.


Playing for a Kerry Senior club does not guaranteed AI club success.

Which tells us the current Kerry club format makes it easier for their club teams to win the Junior and intermediate All Ireland titles and  harder to win the senior AI?

Probably a fair enough summary. There's only 8 Senior clubs (and 10 divisional sides) in Kerry SFC now and almost everyone realises it should be pushed up to 10 clubs which would have a big knock on effect at Intermediate and Junior level.
Croke park are saying no  to it though. They are saying 16 team only is going to be a rigid rule for SFC in every county. Which is absolutely stupid if you ask me. In Cork for example there are 245 clubs and Croke park are saying the same rule should apply there as to Leitrim with 20 odd clubs.

Similar to the minor age grade debacle, the people making decisions in Croke park are far, far removed from the realities on the ground and making decisions that can have a detrimental effect on clubs and players. Kerry are not going to sacrifice the quality of SFC or the Divisional structure that has served us so well over the years, so until Croke park take their head out of their ar5e then the admitted imbalance in Kerry Intermediate and Junior winners will remain.

This comment is fair enough. Kerry have the best championship system for giving good players a high level of competitive football.
It's up to Croke Park to come up with a solution to the Intermediate and Junior AI club fiasco.

The problem is that Croke Park only have a limited power to force counties to adopt better structures.
Even if counties aren't going to adopt divisional teams, they should be looking at Kerry to see what other improvements they could take for their county structures.

[clarshack]

To make it a more level playing field in the provincial and All-Ireland Junior and Intermediate series rename the current Kerry Intermediate Championship to Senior 2 (like in Dublin), the Premier Junior then becomes Intermediate and Junior stays as Junior. However this will never happen as the No. of titles Kerry clubs would win would be reduced.

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

To make it a more level playing field in the provincial and All-Ireland Junior and Intermediate series rename the current Kerry Intermediate Championship to Senior 2 (like in Dublin), the Premier Junior then becomes Intermediate and Junior stays as Junior. However this will never happen as the No. of titles Kerry clubs would win would be reduced.

Nah. You're either a Senior club or you're not. Simple as.

The obvious and common sense solution would be to allow structures that have worked well for decades to continue - I.e: divisional teams in Kerry. Let them increase the number of Senior clubs, which everyone agrees is needed and everyone benefits.

[Wildweasel74]

Size of Kerry, there should be 12-16 senior teams as is the case in many a smaller county. Get show up that they are very strong at Inter and Junior as they playing against lesser graded teams but get badly shown up against a team of equal grading. Hard to believe Glen were in intermediate football 10/12yrs bck and couldn't get out of Derry.

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Size of Kerry, there should be 12-16 senior teams as is the case in many a smaller county. Get show up that they are very strong at Inter and Junior as they playing against lesser graded teams but get badly shown up against a team of equal grading. Hard to believe Glen were in intermediate football 10/12yrs bck and couldn't get out of Derry.

You clearly don't understand how the Kerry system works.

[Wildweasel74]

Know excately how it works, what the point in a divisional team which can be a mixture of 5/6 teams. Not really what the GAA had in mind. If you played equal graded teams at lower levels you wouldn't win too many. Imagine the 11th team in Dublin Div 1 playing Intermediate football.

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Know excately how it works, what the point in a divisional tram which can be a mixture of 5/6 teams. Not really what the GAA had in mind. If you played equal graded teams at lower levels you wouldn't win too many. Imagine the 11th team in Dublin Div 1 playing Intermediate football.

What is the point of Divisional teams? Seriously. If I have to answer that then forget it.

[Wildweasel74]

Yeah answer it, what to find players that otherwise be missed?.

[Rossfan]

I'd say it's to give every player in Kerry a chance of Senior football while keeping very competitive Club Championships.
Also the bonus of pissing off Nordies