Brexit.

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RedHand88

Quote from: johnnycool on December 17, 2018, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 14, 2018, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 14, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
Nebulous means nebulous!!
the sun is shouting and roaring about Juncker insulting May . ~It is all a big distraction from the fact that the UK is goosed.

Ah but it's ok for the Sun to cut seven shades of shite out of her, but god forbid if Johnny Foreigner points out what is plainly obvious to everyone that May hasn't got the foggiest what deal she can get through Parliament.

She's fucked this up from day one but not appointing a cross party committee to deliver a Brexit of sorts
.

Corbyn is deluded if he thinks that if he gets in he's going to re-open the process.

At the very least she should have done this after making a balls of the general election in 2017. Clearly the plan was to win a big enough majority so she could pass whatever she fancied when it came to these crucial last few months.
It didn't work out that way but she continued with this tactic regardless, foolishly, and is heading straight into a brick wall very very soon unless there's a serious change of heart from Labour (unlikely).

mouview

She's botched everything she's touched during her whole tenure as PM. There was a poll of sorts last week where she came second only to Cameron as worst PM ever. I actually think she's worse; Cameron took a stupid gamble and lost but wasn't all bad. May is just thoroughly and utterly useless.

Orior

Quote from: mouview on December 17, 2018, 10:34:18 AM
She's botched everything she's touched during her whole tenure as PM. There was a poll of sorts last week where she came second only to Cameron as worst PM ever. I actually think she's worse; Cameron took a stupid gamble and lost but wasn't all bad. May is just thoroughly and utterly useless.

I think she has been unlucky. Brexit was the worst hospital pass ever.
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

johnnycool

Quote from: Orior on December 17, 2018, 11:21:30 AM
Quote from: mouview on December 17, 2018, 10:34:18 AM
She's botched everything she's touched during her whole tenure as PM. There was a poll of sorts last week where she came second only to Cameron as worst PM ever. I actually think she's worse; Cameron took a stupid gamble and lost but wasn't all bad. May is just thoroughly and utterly useless.

I think she has been unlucky. Brexit was the worst hospital pass ever.

She knew it, Gove knew it, Boris knew it, Little Lord Fauntleroy knew it too, but she was too power hungry to see it and went for it, career is over now, but her and her Venture Capitalist husband can ride off into the sunset with zero impact of their quality of life.


upmonaghansayswe

So according to reports, May tabled three proposals last week.

Append the political declaration to the withdrawal agreement – so asking to turn fluffy terms like best endeavours into a legal context. Sounds bonkers. Set a fixed date for the free trade agreement to be finalised (Dec 2020) to prevent the need of the backstop – Canada took 7 years to do this and the UK (with a land border) think it can definitely be done it 18 months? Sounds bonkers. Commence the FTA talks prior to leaving in March – considering where the Commons are at adding anything more to the schedule before March sounds em bonkers.

How is Theresa May going to spin these updates to Parliament today?

There may be some clarifications coming from the EU but no legal assurances. She has to set out some plan for the next month that isn't, think about the consequences of no deal and vote for this!

What we can't find out now was the appetite for GB MPs for the 2-step backstop that the EU originally proposed. The UK wide backstop allowed GB MPs to be p1ssed off at two things, GB being in a customs union backstop and the splitting the precious union idea. Maybe if the first part had been split into two, an NI specific backstop followed by a GB one, the idea of the GB being in a customs union backstop may have been able to be sold as a much less likely outcome. Then the splitting the union idea would solely be an NI issue with less GB MPs grief grabbing. Of course this would have meant throwing the DUP under the bus much sooner and hoping for more cross-party support, which may not have happened anyway.

macdanger2

Quote from: LeoMc on December 17, 2018, 09:50:25 AM

To draw further parallels, the Brexit voste would have to have to either given multiple choice options (Remain, Remain in EEA, Remain in SM, Have a Customs union, crash out, etc) leading to no one option getting an overall majority or the UK government would have unilaterally picked one of those options and agreed it with EU prior to the referendum.

Could we trust them to get it right this time and to then pick their preferred option prior to calling a poll?

I presume in such a scenario, they'd use a PR system of voting to choose the preferred option

sid waddell

Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on December 17, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
So according to reports, May tabled three proposals last week.

Append the political declaration to the withdrawal agreement – so asking to turn fluffy terms like best endeavours into a legal context. Sounds bonkers. Set a fixed date for the free trade agreement to be finalised (Dec 2020) to prevent the need of the backstop – Canada took 7 years to do this and the UK (with a land border) think it can definitely be done it 18 months? Sounds bonkers. Commence the FTA talks prior to leaving in March – considering where the Commons are at adding anything more to the schedule before March sounds em bonkers.


18 months?

I was under the impression Britain thought it could be done in half an hour.

Now I hear people talking about trade deals taking seven or even ten years!

Who knew trade deals could be so complicated?!

upmonaghansayswe

Quote from: macdanger2 on December 17, 2018, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 17, 2018, 09:50:25 AM

To draw further parallels, the Brexit voste would have to have to either given multiple choice options (Remain, Remain in EEA, Remain in SM, Have a Customs union, crash out, etc) leading to no one option getting an overall majority or the UK government would have unilaterally picked one of those options and agreed it with EU prior to the referendum.

Could we trust them to get it right this time and to then pick their preferred option prior to calling a poll?


I presume in such a scenario, they'd use a PR system of voting to choose the preferred option

Do what Newfoundland did. 3 options? - Mays Deal, No Deal, Remain

From wiki
The island of Newfoundland, then a British colony, held two referendums in 1948 to determine its future. An initial referendum was held on June 3, 1948, to decide between continuing with the British appointed Commission of Government that had ruled the island since the 1930s, revert to dominion status with responsible government, or join Canadian Confederation. The result was inconclusive, with 44.6% supporting the restoration of dominion status, 41.1% for confederation with Canada, and 14.3% for continuing the Commission of Government. A second referendum on July 22, 1948, which asked Newfoundlanders to choose between confederation and dominion status, was decided by a vote of 52% to 48% for confederation with Canada. Newfoundland joined Canada on March 31, 1949.

screenexile

Corbyn finally showing some balls for a change . . . the rollercoaster continues!!

seafoid

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Hardy

Hold on - there's hope yet. Finally, one of the great minds of British politics is focussing her formidable intellect and finely honed diplomatic skills on the issue.
https://www.joe.ie/news/latest-remarks-labour-mp-brexit-border-baffling-651977

red hander

Thoroughly odious human being

imtommygunn

Quote from: Hardy on December 17, 2018, 07:08:10 PM
Hold on - there's hope yet. Finally, one of the great minds of British politics is focussing her formidable intellect and finely honed diplomatic skills on the issue.
https://www.joe.ie/news/latest-remarks-labour-mp-brexit-border-baffling-651977

That web site is click bait crap but without clicking on it at a guess it is kate hoey!

Orior

Quote from: red hander on December 17, 2018, 08:04:45 PM
Thoroughly odious human being

Who would turn down a threesome with Roof Dudley Edwards and Kate Hoey?
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

johnnycool

Quote from: Orior on December 17, 2018, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: red hander on December 17, 2018, 08:04:45 PM
Thoroughly odious human being

Who would turn down a threesome with Roof Dudley Edwards and Kate Hoey?

You'd need a brave dose of viagra and some other hallucinogenic substance to stir the loins..............