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[the ref got it wrong or fucked up in order to shaft their team.]

So to sum up, nobody actually knows the entirety or precisely what happened, but everyone is certain the ref got it wrong or fucked up in order to shaft their team.

Great stuff.

As always

The problem is not too many games on the same day though. Why do you need to spread out completely different counties playing?

As a neutral I wouldn't have minded watching both Mayo vs Rossies and Cavan vs Tyrone. But not the end of the world that there was a clash. 

Armagh must be worth an each way bet. Likely to be top seeds having had some warm up matches to try systems/squad before the Ulster final against a jaded Donegal or Tyrone. They'll probably not have a better chance of making a semi or a final for a while.

In all seriousness, bar drawing Dublin I'd be very disappointed if we don't make a semi final. Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry, Derry, Galway, Mayo all very good teams but have their flaws, time we pushed on, sick of hard luck stories at the qf stage.

You have a serious chance of making top seed and then a 66% chance of drawing Clare or Louth/Kildare as 2nd seed in your group. Avoid the preliminary quarter final thereafter and you're set up to beat the hard luck stories!

Donegal have to be favourites for Ulster and serious All Ireland contenders after that performance at the weekend.

Armagh must be worth an each way bet. Likely to be top seeds having had some warm up matches to try systems/squad before the Ulster final against a jaded Donegal or Tyrone. They'll probably not have a better chance of making a semi or a final for a while.

In all seriousness, bar drawing Dublin I'd be very disappointed if we don't make a semi final. Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry, Derry, Galway, Mayo all very good teams but have their flaws, time we pushed on, sick of hard luck stories at the qf stage.

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.

Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy on a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end if full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?

It's in Hampsey to do that as it is with most good defenders and in fairness it worked well, Lynch hadn't much joy for large spells the other day. A top forward like Lynch is going to get that treatment, boys in his fsce letting him know all about it when he misses.

If Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?

Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday.  Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.

Down were very poor against westmeath and Antrim recently. They would struggle to beat Fermanagh. Armagh recently  trounced Fermanagh and should have beaten a very good Donegal team. It's not BS....

Down are shite. If we don't beat them we'd need to be taking a long hard look at ourselves.

That Tyrone team have better fire power than most Ulster team, it'll be an interesting game. I hate to say it but the sons of God are a joy to watch.

They are brilliant in fairness. The Donegal boys will soon soften them up though!

Outside of occasionally Armagh and Dublin, no football teams fans can really hold a candle to Munster hurling teams at the moment

Not really fair comparing with the completely different setup in hurling.

The football provincials are not much more than a warm-up before the serious business starts with the group stages.

The Munster hurling round-robin has real jeopardy with every single game being critical given 40% of the teams taking part will be finished for the summer in a few weeks (and possibly even sooner depending on how results go).

But football fans aren't going to any games in those numbers is the point. If you took Armagh fan out of the All Ireland quarter final double header on the Saturday last year there'd have been less than 15k there. Similar for the Sunday double header if you took Dublin fans out. Those are exceptionally big games and nobody outside of an Armagh bandwagon will travel for them anymore

Hurling fans, especially in Munster, will travel for games currently tbf. Clare who are a small county have brought 35k+ to their last two semis. Limerick and Cork (hurling only) have huge support constantly

Cost/amount of games have to be putting people off. The 2 Ulster games and the Limerick/Clare hurling match were all brilliant watches at the weekend, but theres a semi final and final for Tyrone/Donegal coming soon, plus 3 group games to come. The product is great but isn't helped by wankers running it down in the media and by the price of tickets.

[Monaghan]

So Armagh and Donegal in the final, ffs I have tickets for Armagh against Down, is that cancelled?

No but Armagh are expected to have no problems in this fixture....

Akin to Monaghan v Cavan, Derry v Donegal, Cavan v Tyrone  pretty sure 3 teams there were meant to have no problems in their respective games!

I'd have only had those 3 as slight favourites tbh. Armagh massive favourites

Ah look you can blame Ten Hag for a lot of things but conceding 3 in 20 mins to a championship team is on the men on the field.

Tyrone and Donegal an interesting one, Donegal will surely not allow the Canavans and McCurry freedom of the park like Cavan did. And Donegal have better forwards than Cavan. Full credit to Cavan for dragging themselves back into that.

I didn't think it was over at half-time as Tyrone under this management team are liable to be a basket case in the second half. Happened again there, absolutely rudderless ship and lucky to get over the line in a game which should have been won by double figures. For the talent available that team is nowhere near good enough and it was good to see Mattie so angry at the end. Too late to be learning all the lessons he was talking about. They'll lose to Donegal and they'll lose to anyone half decent later on too.

Tyrone's problems go way beyond refereeing decisions but that was an erratic display. The game turned on the Hampsey black card. If he was guilty of pulling Lynch down it probably didn't help that Lynch was all over him initially. A terrible call by a ref who was influenced by the pattern of the game rather than refereeing what was actually happening.

Lynch missed a shot and Hampsey went over to let him know. Then Hampsey dragged him down. No complaints

Not to mention Coldrick allowed the physio rule to be ignored. Player gets physio, meant to go off. He did it once but then not after. And multiple times that player had an impact the next play. Coldrick bad today overall

Shite rule that.

Horrible shower altogether. Massive advantage Donegal with that extra time. Jimmy be licking his lips.

How the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon

I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you

He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.

Last free that Morgan missed the ball was out of play for over a minute but he only played 45 second. Cavan probably wouldn't have scored anyway