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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: September 27, 2022, 05:09:11 PM »
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.

"Intelligent people" and "Exporters" are not the same thing.

As you have proven  ;D

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM »
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: September 23, 2022, 04:12:13 PM »
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.

No idea what the daily mail comments are about.

The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.

I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
It's capital versus labour. It doesn't matter how hard you work. You will get also get shafted.

Unless you are in a company that pays you well for hard work and effort. though getting paid well means I get shafted by HMRC  ;D

Ah feck it

Lol

You're stamping the cards 50hrs a week and getting a few grand a month for it

I'd venture we're all in the same middle class boat

But don't be under any illusions - you're getting screwed

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: September 23, 2022, 03:15:29 PM »
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?

The Government

Which is of course the taxpayer after the next election.

It's always the taxpayer - the only question is the date on the invoice

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: September 23, 2022, 03:01:31 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? You’d  have to say  no . It’s not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?

Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....

You can be unhappy about both you know.

You can indeed... but I must have missed your angry series of posts about the other ones

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: September 23, 2022, 02:52:49 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? You’d  have to say  no . It’s not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
I’d be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap that’s affordable. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.

Indeed - but if your 'pissed off' levels were relative, you'd be so angry at the stroking you are getting on other fronts that you wouldn't even notice that Jimmy wasn't working

You, Jimmy, Mary (and all of us here) are on the same team - we're all just plebs to those guys

But Murdoch and Rothermere have force fed you a diet of shit so whilst you and Jimmy are fighting in the street, and Mary's out grafting, they're in robbing your house

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General discussion / Re: Cost Of Living
« on: September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? You’d  have to say  no . It’s not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: September 22, 2022, 09:02:26 PM »
Big Kyle Lafferty.

Mustve heard the Census figures 😂😉

Still in NI squad,,,,Killie investigation under way .

Wonder how the Fenians in the NI squad think of this.

The crowd who demanded the sacking of that eejit that played for Larne are very quiet

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General discussion / Re: Six County Census Results 2021
« on: September 22, 2022, 02:42:43 PM »
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics

NI Only is down from 2011

I know.

I think it'll be the opposite Fear.

Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.

What's the theory here?

Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state?  ;D

You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment

If it isnt Aristotle himself.  What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.

Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here

And they aren't good

And seriously?

What mainstream debates?  Who put this point across?

Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count

Where did i even say anyone was being more british-I only talked about the ambiguous NI identity-imagine being called stupid by a stupid person lol, ill mark you down as null and void

OK, lets walk through this.... slowly

You said the proportion of people reporting as having an 'NI only' identity would increase because Michelle met Charlie a few days ago

You considered this a negative as you said that you 'hoped to be proved wrong'

So, unless you've become a unionist, the clear inference is that this increase in 'NI only' identity would come from a decrease in those of an 'Irish only' identity

You then posited that it was a theory that had been around in mainstream debates for 'a long time' (they met last week)

And then couldn't provide details of a single other person who had made this point


Please 'mark me down' as whatever you like

But for your own safety I'd get someone else to sharpen your crayon beforehand

As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years. Again I cant see where I mentioned british at any time- I bemoaned the presence of a new third national identity- a fence sitter type.

And you really havent been listening at all to mainstream media if you totally missed to how a "normalised" NI including SF cosying up to the brits(in the open for once lol) has made people more comfortable ticking the NI box.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/forget-a-united-ireland-by-teatime-the-north-now-has-three-identities-42009026.html?

Today no less

Seriously?  This is what you're going with?

Your nonsense only makes sense if you completely ignore the evidence in front of your eyes

Or, as is much more likely, you don't understand it

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General discussion / Re: Six County Census Results 2021
« on: September 22, 2022, 11:59:09 AM »
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics

NI Only is down from 2011

I know.

I think it'll be the opposite Fear.

Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.

What's the theory here?

Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state?  ;D

You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment

If it isnt Aristotle himself.  What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.

Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here

And they aren't good

And seriously?

What mainstream debates?  Who put this point across?

Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count

Where did i even say anyone was being more british-I only talked about the ambiguous NI identity-imagine being called stupid by a stupid person lol, ill mark you down as null and void

OK, lets walk through this.... slowly

You said the proportion of people reporting as having an 'NI only' identity would increase because Michelle met Charlie a few days ago

You considered this a negative as you said that you 'hoped to be proved wrong'

So, unless you've become a unionist, the clear inference is that this increase in 'NI only' identity would come from a decrease in those of an 'Irish only' identity

You then posited that it was a theory that had been around in mainstream debates for 'a long time' (they met last week)

And then couldn't provide details of a single other person who had made this point


Please 'mark me down' as whatever you like

But for your own safety I'd get someone else to sharpen your crayon beforehand

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General discussion / Re: Six County Census Results 2021
« on: September 22, 2022, 10:54:29 AM »
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.

                      2011 - 2021
British -          40% - 31.86%
Irish -             25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) -  21% - 19.78%

These are the figures that the DUP will work on

But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I’ve waited long enough, I’m happy to wait a bit longer if we’re going in the right direction.

Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.

The end is maybe nearer than we thought.

Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the “what if” is increasing looking like “when” now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it’s increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?

There's bound to be a Hitler bunker, last throws of the dice video for this somewhere or in the process of being made

They shouldn't fret, because SF are clearly saying that in a future UI they are willing to maintain links to the Royals and the old colonial empire- they are not planning for a distinct nation which "breaks all ties with England" in line with the age old republican ideals

If that's what you think a new Ireland would look like then you are completely deluded

There are hundreds of thousands people who are British who want to maintain links with Britain

What's your plan for these people in your new utopia?

I made no comment on what a UI would look like. Where did you read that brain box?

What nation were you talking about here then?

Barbados?

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General discussion / Re: Six County Census Results 2021
« on: September 22, 2022, 10:52:44 AM »
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics

NI Only is down from 2011

I know.

I think it'll be the opposite Fear.

Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.

What's the theory here?

Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state?  ;D

You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment

If it isnt Aristotle himself.  What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.

Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here

And they aren't good

And seriously?

What mainstream debates?  Who put this point across?

Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count

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General discussion / Re: Six County Census Results 2021
« on: September 22, 2022, 10:43:22 AM »
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.

                      2011 - 2021
British -          40% - 31.86%
Irish -             25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) -  21% - 19.78%

These are the figures that the DUP will work on

But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I’ve waited long enough, I’m happy to wait a bit longer if we’re going in the right direction.

Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.

The end is maybe nearer than we thought.

Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the “what if” is increasing looking like “when” now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it’s increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?

There's bound to be a Hitler bunker, last throws of the dice video for this somewhere or in the process of being made

They shouldn't fret, because SF are clearly saying that in a future UI they are willing to maintain links to the Royals and the old colonial empire- they are not planning for a distinct nation which "breaks all ties with England" in line with the age old republican ideals

If that's what you think a new Ireland would look like then you are completely deluded

There are hundreds of thousands people who are British who want to maintain links with Britain

What's your plan for these people in your new utopia?

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General discussion / Re: Six County Census Results 2021
« on: September 22, 2022, 10:39:12 AM »
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics

NI Only is down from 2011

I know.

I think it'll be the opposite Fear.

Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.

What's the theory here?

Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state?  ;D

You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment

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GAA Discussion / Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« on: September 21, 2022, 08:04:40 PM »

Pat Spillane has explained why he thinks playing All-Ireland Finals in July is “stupid”.

 “I’m against the split season.”
While club championships are now well underway, Spillane feels that the GAA are missing a trick by curtailing the inter-county season so early.


“I’m completely against the split season,” the former RTE pundit told the Irish Independent.

“We have taken our two best products, inter-county hurling and football, and taken them off the shop window for nine months.


“It’s absolutely stupid.”
“Now, when you take your best product out of the shop window for nine months, you give the opposition a chance. Maybe we’re not going to go as far as the third Sunday in September to play an All-Ireland final, but at least take back the month of August.

“People say, ‘oh, you’re only saying that because you used to get paid for The Sunday Game’ and that’s a load of rubbish. I’m passionate about the GAA and a passionate GAA man, a passionate clubman and I like to see the GAA thriving.


“We’ve lost the month of August, we’ve lost the month of September and the main national papers are not talking about club matches. We’re not talking about club matches and we’re losing that opportunity for inter-county games, we need to change it. It’s an own goal.

“It’s absolutely stupid playing an All-Ireland in the middle of July. The funds for grassroots come from the inter-county game so without a vibrant inter-county calendar, we’re cutting off our noses to spite our faces,” he said.

Again, I'd ask that Pat put a figure against the hyperbole

What exactly is this costing?

Then we can assess as objectively as possible against the clear benefits that the clubs have felt

Regarding the national papers - perhaps they aren't, but I know the regional ones around me have been providing great coverage of the club games.  Maybe the small regional papers are another benefit here?

Maybe the GAA fans should stop buying the national papers until they provide some decent coverage of the games?

Maybe RTE could do a midweek round up of the games around the country (and send cameras to a couple?)

Maybe we should just accept that the GAA is not about money - the absolute CORE of the GAA are the volunteers and club players

Maybe having a few quid less floating around the clubs will stop the GAA leaking funds to the mercenary managers

Maybe we could cut the payments to the GPA leeches - it might stop the relentless push towards professionalism, which fcuked club Rugby in Ireland

Or maybe... just maybe... for once in this f**king materialistic shite hole of a country - we shouldn't sacrifice something we hold dear on the altar of money

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