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Well done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

Div 1 league. League and Championship aren't linked in Cavan.
As I've said, if we linked them we'd have sent Denn to Junior this year, they won it 2 years ago and Killygarry a top 4 Senior side would be going to Intermediate next year. They would be stronger than Arva and Ballyhaise.

There would be perceived lack of "fairness" either way.

Well done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Bound to be a kick in Cullyhanna?

Ballyhaise have played direct football all year and it's paying off now. They will probably live to regret missed chances

[Junior Championship]

Good win for Arva in atrocious conditions. Nice break now until after Christmas and a chance for some injuries to clear up.

Division 1 Arva will now play Division 4 Milltown (Kildare) in the All-Ireland Semi Final.
Listowel won the Munster Junior today so maybe they should just skip the semis and play the final before Christmas and be done with this farce.

This isn't a league competition. This is a championship competition. The All Ireland Junior Championship. It's actually in the name.
Arva were relegated to the Junior Championship in 2021.

Let me know if you need me to dull it down any more for you, plenty on here having trouble with it.

Good win for Arva in atrocious conditions. Nice break now until after Christmas and a chance for some injuries to clear up.

b]It's not complicated[/b].

It's not, but it is stupid. All three of your championship winners played in Division 1.

"Hai but days how we do things here in cyyyyyavan"

Not much wonder you couldn't understand the Cavan Championship system.

Of course I understand it. I find it ridiculous however. Find me another county whos div 1 teams play junior championship

You were reduced to making fun of the Cavan accent. Do you really think you have any credibility on the topic any more?

b]It's not complicated[/b].

It's not, but it is stupid. All three of your championship winners played in Division 1.

"Hai but days how we do things here in cyyyyyavan"

Not much wonder you couldn't understand the Cavan Championship system.

I understand what is being said about Avra, and the league and championship being separate, it just seems a bit abstract that a senior league team is playing the lowest championship tier.  Intermediate wouldn't be as big a shock. 

Regarding Cullyhanna, they had been slowly regressing for a while this past 10 years and wouldn't have been competing consistently for senior honors.  A bad year last year doomed them to intermediate, but it was always a threat of happening. 

I think they will fair grand back in the senior league, but don't be fooled into thinking they are going to be swinging at the top 3/4 teams next year either. 

There's nothing abstract about it. They got relegated to junior in 2021. They couldn't win it last year. They did win it this year.

To move championship grades in Cavan you need to win the grade you are in, or lose a relegation playoff in that grade. It's not complicated.

It's not as far away as the griping above would make you believe.

There won't be a perfect system. There won't even be a close to perfect system. You can't stop stars aligning.

Three simple measures should be easy to implement across the board:

1. When a club wins its county's IFC or JFC, for the subsequent season, they must play at a higher championship level. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

2. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 10th place or higher, then they must compete in their county's SFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

3. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 20th place or higher, then they cannot play in their county's JFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.


No. 1 is a no-brainer.

Nos. 2 and 3 could run into logistics issues in smaller counties, but in those cases the ranges could be adapted accordingly.

I know I know I know that in some in counties they don't take league football seriously. But you know what? There's clubs everywhere forking out a fortune for management teams and toys all year round. The least they could do in return is try harder in league football.

The voice of reason.

I don't care how "seriously" clubs may or may not take their league fixtures. I refuse to believe a club that can compete with Division 1 clubs (on any level, regardless of no. of absent county players) can still be considered a junior club. It's ridiculous.

Arva are a Junior Championship side. It's not a case of some form of consideration. They have been a Junior side since the commencement of the 2022 Junior Championship.

If Arva were a Senior Championship side by virtue of winning Division 2 league which had no county players involved and surviving by winning a one off game despite being bottom of the league, that would be ridiculous.

Ref allowed Ballyhaise to be much more physical in the tackle than Glenullin in the 2nd half

He also allowed Glenullin to kick the ball much more to the outside of the post and still get a point.

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

No. Strong teams in lower grades will happen regardless so we'll keep our current structure.

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

Grand so we'd be sending Denn (Div 3 this year, won Ulster Junior 2 years ago and intermediate finalists this year) and Killygarry (top 4 senior team, brought Gowna to a replay this year, will be playing Div 2 next year).

To be clear, you're happy with that?

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

The team that finished second in the third tier of league football in the Armagh leagues.

Cullyhanna were the 18th placed team in the Armagh league structures this season. No cooking the books in Armagh, unlike Cavan.

Other counties are cooking the books. Sending senior and intermediate championship sides to intermediate and junior Ulster Competitions because of meaningless league standing.

You'll not catch us sending Killygarry to Intermediate or Denn back to junior because of their standing in a second rate competition.

We never linked league and championship. Other counties too used to walking over Cavan sides in Ulster, don't have it all their own way for a few years and cry foul.

Please give examples

Are you doubting that teams have ended up going down a championship grade because of league standing?

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

The team that finished second in the third tier of league football in the Armagh leagues.

Cullyhanna were the 18th placed team in the Armagh league structures this season. No cooking the books in Armagh, unlike Cavan.

Other counties are cooking the books. Sending senior and intermediate championship sides to intermediate and junior Ulster Competitions because of meaningless league standing.

You'll not catch us sending Killygarry to Intermediate or Denn back to junior because of their standing in a second rate competition.

We never linked league and championship. Other counties too used to walking over Cavan sides in Ulster, don't have it all their own way for a few years and cry foul.