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Gonna be piss poor if they don't bring some new people on board. What was there last year didn't work

Winning an AI in your first year shouldn't mean a 6 year stretch in management with no questions asked. Any serious County, like Kerry or Dublin, would not allow that in this era.

There has to be upward progression and what we've seen to date after 2021 has been regression and stagnation.

If there is some root and branch review of what went wrong and a valid plan for making it better then OK, maybe 1-2 years to implement with a break option at 1 year if things stay the same.

Harte had them knocking on the door and there is definitely a  question around whether a few small tweaks and different voices tipped that team over the edge.

2 subsequent years of D&L being able to implement thier own system / ideology and shape a back room team has been very disappointing so far.

McConville embarrassing himself with a lack of understanding regarding what a black card offense is.

Correct it wasn't a deliberate pull down, it was, as Deegan pointed out, a deliberate trip. Then the huff afterwards with Harte having to calm him down

Learning the rules should be a minimum requirement to be a pundit.

McShane has struggled with injury and has not had a full pre season and clean league run since before the injury.

Defensively we are all at sea and seem way behind other teams in conditioning.

That and playing a non scoring HB and HF line

Doogan allowed mcKenna a bit of freedom, but I remember an article that looked at the stats and made the point that that Harte's team kicked long more than the 2021 team, so the front foot stuff Doogan supposedly brought was a bit of a myth. I think they essentially got over the line making a few very small adjustments to Harte's team and have brought nothing to the party since.

Correct.

Despite what the commentators think you can't lift ball off the ground with your knees.

Be worth commentators reading the rule book once in a while. Especially the black card section 

The biggest cliche at the minute seems to be that Tyrone won/stole/lucked an All Ireland in 2021.

It was there to be won. They beat 2 of the top 3 teams en route and every other team had the same chance to win it at the start of the year, but didn't.

They deserved thier win. Pure and simple.

Genuinely thought we were playing safe first half, trying to contain Kerry against the wind in order to let rip in second half.

How wrong I was.

Zero plan in attack. Leaving the big square empty most of the time and no-one breaking lines into it or making runs through it. High ball into small men. Aimless shots.

Agree with other posters that conditioning looked way off the opposition.

That second half was possibly one of the worst Tyrone championship performances in 20 odd years.

Still think Tyrone need a big athletic FF. There was an interesting article (Irish News maybe?) about how McShane and McCurry can't play together as they make similar runs etc , but surely that's what good coaching sorts out?

Strangely might have an easier game as third seed than second. Away to Kildare, Cork or Donegal as opposed to home to Mayo, Roscommon or Monaghan.

Away to DnG would not be good.....

Yep. The ability, or desire, to stand on the neck of teams seems strangely absent. Possession football ruling each game. Safety first.

Nothing new, nothing exciting.

Ref left Tyrone being a last minute free away from watching the rest of the Championship. I've heard of levelling up for underdogs but he was frankly ridiculous today.

Westmeath were getting frees out for what Tyrone were getting frees against. Someone needs to sort refereeing standards out.

That being said, surely that 15 are capable of more......

Ref doing his best for WM today

Anyone recommend some good places to eat / things to do in Malahide?

Another curates egg game from Tyrone. There was little between the teams in first half other than Armagh's shooting was off and Tyrone's eye was in (and with some great points taken as well).

Obviously sticking very rigidly to a game plan it was a case of methodically grinding out the scores, added to some good defensive work. Nothing spectacular. Keep efficient in the heat and do your job.

Sending off didn't really help that much. Imho, RoN, who is as talented a player as there is in Ireland, has had that red card coming a long time. He's at those snide fouls any game I've seen him play recently and been lucky enough to get away with them. Today he got caught and the ref had enough balls to send him off. Sin é. Hopefully someone will have a word as he has All Star ability.

Would have preferred the shot off the post to have gone in instead just beforehand, as from that point on Tyrone went into game management mode rather than press on and put Armagh to the sword and boy did it nearly cost dear at the end. They seem incapable of utilising an extra man to any advantage.

Terrible decision making throughout, especially in second half where there were men making great runs through on goal but the ball carriers failed to pass and took much more difficult (and selfish) shots themselves.

And by the by, anyone from Armagh talking about Peter Harte taking extra steps should watch RoN take a free - steals at keast 5-10 every time. Took a 20m free and only kicked it at the edge of the big square at one point.

I mentioned Harte's steps. It wasnt aimed at him in particular, he was just the example I used form the video posted. The ONeill free you talk about I think was a 13m free he just started a few metres back. He does steal yards all the time though. Same as every other free taker there is

Yeh, that's fair enough, steps in play is an issue all over county football - especially when club footballers get pulled on it much more often. 

Still think O'Neill takes more steps at a free than any other player I've seen though. Although there was one in first half where he shot far post wide after a 10m saunter so maybe it's not always an advantage alright lol.

The EPL spray wouldnt be a bad idea alright.

Another curates egg game from Tyrone. There was little between the teams in first half other than Armagh's shooting was off and Tyrone's eye was in (and with some great points taken as well).

Obviously sticking very rigidly to a game plan it was a case of methodically grinding out the scores, added to some good defensive work. Nothing spectacular. Keep efficient in the heat and do your job.

Sending off didn't really help that much. Imho, RoN, who is as talented a player as there is in Ireland, has had that red card coming a long time. He's at those snide fouls any game I've seen him play recently and been lucky enough to get away with them. Today he got caught and the ref had enough balls to send him off. Sin é. Hopefully someone will have a word as he has repeat All Star ability.

BBC quote Mc Geeney as saying:

"I didn't see it but Rian feels he was pulled down by the jersey on top. Iwill see it first, but if what he says is true we will definitely support him,". Getting a leg pulled does not justify putting knees on head. It will tell a lot if McGeeney sees the footage and still defends him (or not).

Would have preferred the shot off the post to have gone in instead just beforehand, as from that point on Tyrone went into game management mode rather than press on and put Armagh to the sword and boy did it nearly cost dear at the end. They seem incapable of utilising an extra man to any advantage.

Terrible decision making throughout, especially in second half where there were men making great runs through on goal but the ball carriers failed to pass and took much more difficult (and selfish) shots themselves.

And by the by, anyone from Armagh talking about Peter Harte taking extra steps should watch RoN take a free - steals at least 5-10 every time. Took a 20m free and only kicked it at the edge of the big square at one point.  And yes, I'm aware 99% of free takers do it to an extent...just that his extent is double anyone else's.

Derry are just teetering along the same as last year. They'll get walloped in croke park in quarter / semi.

Haven't evolved when it comes down to the business end. Tyrone would give a better account against the top 3 or 4 teams even if they'd be beat too.

Is this the Tyrone Derry have been beat by about 10 points in last 2 meetings v Derry. I'll accept Derry won't win the AI and will get beat by someone at Croke Park but this narrative that Tyrone are better is nonsense. No team would have beat Monaghan handy last night the way they played, they are a good side and D1 for a reason. Lets not forget they beat Tyrone a few weeks ago as well

Mostly people outside Tyrone talking us up. We have done little yet to convince we are AI contenders this year.