Ulster Club SFC 2024

[Milltown Row2]

It's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?

The ref. If a player runs towards a referee (as in goes out of his way) to complain into his face, that's aggressive

I think anyone raising their voice in an aggressive manner to any official needs to get a black card, I've done it a few times and each occasion was done because of multiple times of a player was giving off about a decision made, questioning a call its moving the ball forward but there is only so much ya can take and it cuts out the yapping

Exactly. And as the rest of your post shows, refs are left to make it up as they go along.
It mightn't be aggressive, it might be constant complaining (though that isn't mentioned in the rules). How many times is multiple? Every ref is going to have a different threshold of what constitutes aggressive and constant. It is hard to have any consistency with that.

As I say, it is not straightforward.

I'd be happy with zero

[armaghniac]

It's not as straightforward as that. It needs to be "in an aggressive manner". What's that and who decides it?

The ref. If a player runs towards a referee (as in goes out of his way) to complain into his face, that's aggressive

I think anyone raising their voice in an aggressive manner to any official needs to get a black card, I've done it a few times and each occasion was done because of multiple times of a player was giving off about a decision made, questioning a call its moving the ball forward but there is only so much ya can take and it cuts out the yapping

Exactly. And as the rest of your post shows, refs are left to make it up as they go along.
It mightn't be aggressive, it might be constant complaining (though that isn't mentioned in the rules). How many times is multiple? Every ref is going to have a different threshold of what constitutes aggressive and constant. It is hard to have any consistency with that.

As I say, it is not straightforward.

I'd be happy with zero

Zero is plenty and equip refs with a recording device so that any particularly abusive comments can be referred on and longer suspensions imposed.

[DeasBéalFeirste]

Jeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it

This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately 

It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.

That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.

[Silver hill]

...and a good post to return with in fairness! (Although I would have some sympathy with the Armagh posters with regards to the diving and theatrics of the canavans - outstanding footballers but definitely an asterisk there for me personally with the con act)

[thebigfullforward]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

[5times5times]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

What happened more, Kelly fouling or Canavans going to ground for any form of contact?

They should host the final in a swimming pool, with the amount of diving & play-acting that is going to happen.

[Sportacus]

Jeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it

This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately 

It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.

That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.

I don't think they're short in that department.

[Armagh18]

Jeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it

This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately 

It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.

That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.

I don't think they're short in that department.

Probably not on Kilcoos level though!

[DeasBéalFeirste]

Jeez Armagh wans whinging, who would have thought it

This thread inspired me to break a decade long hiatus from the board because I had forgotten just how much Armagh ones on the internet can whinge! Hadn't heard much out of them for years to the point that I was cheering for them lately 

It was a good game of football and I think Kelly's second yellow was soft, but he was walking a tight rope with a few fouls and there's always a likelihood that might happen. There wasn't much between the teams but Ruairi Canavan's quality meant Errigal probably deserved it on balance. A performance like that in bad conditions is special and I'm glad we get to see him again in the final.

That said, I don't think Errigal have enough of a dog in them to beat Kilcoo, in what will probably be a hateful game.

I don't think they're short in that department.

Maybe you're right, but I thought the criticism of them in recent years was that they were too nice and couldn't be relied on to win the hard way. The only thing is Kilcoo had a great semi-final performance and often that can be hard to replicate in a final.

[tonto1888]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

Will hold my hands up and say
 I didnt notice the other fouls he made and was judging the red on the second yellow card offence alone. However, my issue with the ref wasnt the decisions he made, rather the ones he didnt.

[Moonshine]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

Will hold my hands up and say
 I didnt notice the other fouls he made and was judging the red on the second yellow card offence alone. However, my issue with the ref wasnt the decisions he made, rather the ones he didnt.

Take off the rose tinted glasses the man accumulated about 14 fouls so there is no excuse really. He got what he eventually deserved.

As for the ref the decisions he made both ways was poor. For anyone to say he went against CE clearly weren't at the game.

[tonto1888]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

Will hold my hands up and say
 I didnt notice the other fouls he made and was judging the red on the second yellow card offence alone. However, my issue with the ref wasnt the decisions he made, rather the ones he didnt.

Take off the rose tinted glasses the man accumulated about 14 fouls so there is no excuse really. He got what he eventually deserved.

As for the ref the decisions he made both ways was poor. For anyone to say he went against CE clearly weren't at the game.

LOL. Read my post again

[thebigfullforward]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

What happened more, Kelly fouling or Canavans going to ground for any form of contact?

They should host the final in a swimming pool, with the amount of diving & play-acting that is going to happen.

Can you give me time stamps so I can see what dives you're talking about. You'll say the TK second yellow but every single player would go down if they were hit like that. Any other instances?

[Applesisapples]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

As an Armagh wan, TK was definitely going to go as he was reckless with his tackling. My two gripes about Joe are as always around his lack of consistency and he bought the diving from the Canavans on more than 1 occasion. Could also have issued EC with a couple of black cards. Turbitt was a disappointment and in the end Clann Eireann's wastefulness cost them. If that had been Armagh TK would have been hooked shortly into the second half. It is easy to say the Ruairi Lavery should have subbed him, but he is a big player and had he been subbed and CE beaten Lavery would have been pounded.

[statto]

Just rewatching the game here now on TG4 and before half time TK must have given away 4 fouls after picking up his first yellow as well as throwing R. Canavan to the ground on the 29th minute (not much to it but still tells you what you need to know). That's not counting the foul on Harte at the very start of the second half. So within 35 mins odd he's got a yellow and committed another 4/5 fouls on top of it. It might have been a soft enough yellow but he can have no complaints after all that and in fairness he didn't give out to the ref when he was lined. Must have known he was on the edge. Would like for all the Armagh ones to watch and tell that he didn't deserve to go with all the fouling he did

As an Armagh wan, TK was definitely going to go as he was reckless with his tackling. My two gripes about Joe are as always around his lack of consistency and he bought the diving from the Canavans on more than 1 occasion. Could also have issued EC with a couple of black cards. Turbitt was a disappointment and in the end Clann Eireann's wastefulness cost them. If that had been Armagh TK would have been hooked shortly into the second half. It is easy to say the Ruairi Lavery should have subbed him, but he is a big player and had he been subbed and CE beaten Lavery would have been pounded.

CE options from the bench were also reduced due to the fact Owens was unavailable, Sean McCarthy went off injured and John Magee was not in the country so there would have been a big drop off in terms of what TK brings to CE. CE are an excellent side but the one area I would say that lack real depth is in the middle of the field.