The Many Faces of US Politics...

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Itchy

Quote from: theskull1 on August 30, 2024, 09:45:41 AMNo one in the western world gets to this level in politics without having bent the knee to their Zionist masters. Only puppets are allowed to rise to positions of power ....hence why there are no western governments standing up for humanity. I believe the same for the catholic church (their silence is deafening).
Seems to be lost on a lot of people that democracy is a complete farce at this stage.

I am no fan of the catholic church but the Pope has been quite vocal on it I think.

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Itchy on August 29, 2024, 07:25:01 AMIts not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.
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Itchy

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 30, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 29, 2024, 07:25:01 AMIts not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

J70

#25098
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 30, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 29, 2024, 07:25:01 AMIts not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

Yet the WSJ is giving the CNN interviewer shit this morning for allowing Harris to "both sides" the war.

There is zero sympathy for the Palestinians on the US right, including in respected media organizations like the WSJ. There wasn't an ounce of pro-Palestinian protest during the RNC in July because the GOP is not seen to be in any way reachable on this issue. Whatever sympathy exists and whatever hope there is for a moderating US influence on Netanyahu is only going to come through the Democratic Party. And unfortunately for the Palestinians, the October 7 attacks only made it harder for those working on their behalf in the US to make the case.

As has been pointed out a number of times before, the Israel-Palestine conflict does not really figure highly among political concerns within the broad US public in the first place. You can sanctimoniously throw abuse at those of us who support Harris all you want, but it doesn't change the case that for those of us who live in the US, there is a lot more on the table than Israel and Palestine, whichever candidate you support.

But hey, Trump could easily win in November. We'll see what kind of future Gaza and the wider Palestinian people have then when there is absolutely no US administration weight on their side of whatever settlement will come out of this war.

Itchy

#25099
Quote from: J70 on August 30, 2024, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 30, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 29, 2024, 07:25:01 AMIts not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

Yet the WSJ is giving the CNN interviewer shit this morning for allowing Harris to "both sides" the war.

There is zero sympathy for the Palestinians on the US right, including in respected media organizations like the WSJ. There wasn't an ounce of pro-Palestinian protest during the RNC in July because the GOP is not seen to be in any way reachable on this issue. Whatever sympathy exists and whatever hope there is for a moderating US influence on Netanyahu is only going to come through the Democratic Party. And unfortunately for the Palestinians, the October 7 attacks only made it harder for those working on their behalf in the US to make the case.

As has been pointed out a number of times before, the Israel-Palestine conflict does not really figure highly among political concerns within the broad US public in the first place. You can sanctimoniously throw abuse at those of us who support Harris all you want, but it doesn't change the case that for those of us who live in the US, there is a lot more on the table than Israel and Palestine, whichever candidate you support.

But hey, Trump could easily win in November. We'll see what kind of future Gaza and the wider Palestinian people have then when there is absolutely no US administration weight on their side of whatever settlement will come out of this war.

I will. It's all you deserve, utter contempt. You indirectly support genocide and you can twist it anyway you want but that's what you are doing.

J70

Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 30, 2024, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 30, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 29, 2024, 07:25:01 AMIts not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

Yet the WSJ is giving the CNN interviewer shit this morning for allowing Harris to "both sides" the war.

There is zero sympathy for the Palestinians on the US right, including in respected media organizations like the WSJ. There wasn't an ounce of pro-Palestinian protest during the RNC in July because the GOP is not seen to be in any way reachable on this issue. Whatever sympathy exists and whatever hope there is for a moderating US influence on Netanyahu is only going to come through the Democratic Party. And unfortunately for the Palestinians, the October 7 attacks only made it harder for those working on their behalf in the US to make the case.

As has been pointed out a number of times before, the Israel-Palestine conflict does not really figure highly among political concerns within the broad US public in the first place. You can sanctimoniously throw abuse at those of us who support Harris all you want, but it doesn't change the case that for those of us who live in the US, there is a lot more on the table than Israel and Palestine, whichever candidate you support.

But hey, Trump could easily win in November. We'll see what kind of future Gaza and the wider Palestinian people have then when there is absolutely no US administration weight on their side of whatever settlement will come out of this war.

I will. It's all you deserve, utter contempt. You indirectly support genocide and you can twist it anyway you want but that's what you are doing.

I guess I'll just have to soldier on and live with your contempt Itchy. At least if I want to live and vote and have at least some say in the real world as it exists.

But good luck to you fighting the good fight, voting for whichever party and candidates meet your evidently extremely high, precise, white glove standards on each and every issue under the sun.

Captain Obvious

In August 2019, President Donald Trump declared himself "history's most pro-Israel U.S. president." He also characterised the Democrats as radicals seeking to destroy the special relationship between the US and Israel. "If you vote for a Democrat", he said, "you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people." Prominent American Jewish leaders, mainly Democrats, protested his rebuke.
In January 2020, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Trump as "the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House." 

And It's well known how much Putin and Trump like each other.

Eamonnca1

Anybody who thinks letting Trump back into the White House will be good for the Palestinians needs to see a doctor.

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: J70 on August 30, 2024, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 30, 2024, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 30, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 29, 2024, 07:25:01 AMIts not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

Yet the WSJ is giving the CNN interviewer shit this morning for allowing Harris to "both sides" the war.

There is zero sympathy for the Palestinians on the US right, including in respected media organizations like the WSJ. There wasn't an ounce of pro-Palestinian protest during the RNC in July because the GOP is not seen to be in any way reachable on this issue. Whatever sympathy exists and whatever hope there is for a moderating US influence on Netanyahu is only going to come through the Democratic Party. And unfortunately for the Palestinians, the October 7 attacks only made it harder for those working on their behalf in the US to make the case.

As has been pointed out a number of times before, the Israel-Palestine conflict does not really figure highly among political concerns within the broad US public in the first place. You can sanctimoniously throw abuse at those of us who support Harris all you want, but it doesn't change the case that for those of us who live in the US, there is a lot more on the table than Israel and Palestine, whichever candidate you support.

But hey, Trump could easily win in November. We'll see what kind of future Gaza and the wider Palestinian people have then when there is absolutely no US administration weight on their side of whatever settlement will come out of this war.

I will. It's all you deserve, utter contempt. You indirectly support genocide and you can twist it anyway you want but that's what you are doing.

I guess I'll just have to soldier on and live with your contempt Itchy. At least if I want to live and vote and have at least some say in the real world as it exists.

But good luck to you fighting the good fight, voting for whichever party and candidates meet your evidently extremely high, precise, white glove standards on each and every issue under the sun.

high standards... not supporting and arming a genocide is now high standard... 

Itchy

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 30, 2024, 05:05:52 PMAnybody who thinks letting Trump back into the White House will be good for the Palestinians needs to see a doctor.

No one said that. I said it makes no difference.

Itchy

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2024, 05:03:57 PMIn August 2019, President Donald Trump declared himself "history's most pro-Israel U.S. president." He also characterised the Democrats as radicals seeking to destroy the special relationship between the US and Israel. "If you vote for a Democrat", he said, "you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people." Prominent American Jewish leaders, mainly Democrats, protested his rebuke.
In January 2020, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Trump as "the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House." 

And It's well known how much Putin and Trump like each other.


Trump will say anything to get a vote, you should know that. The only thing he is "pro" is himself. Are you trying to tell us Genocude Joe is Pro Palestinian? He's watching their children get blown to pieces and all he cares about really us the "jew vote" and money. Harris is just a mini me. I'd spoil my vote if I lived in that shit hole.

Itchy

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 30, 2024, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 30, 2024, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 30, 2024, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 30, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 29, 2024, 07:25:01 AMIts not even possible that Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza. How could it be worse?

Very easily.

The USAF and USN join in with airstrikes.

The place is flattened already. You're simply trying to convince yourself there is a difference. Of there is a difference it's microscopic and negligible.

Yet the WSJ is giving the CNN interviewer shit this morning for allowing Harris to "both sides" the war.

There is zero sympathy for the Palestinians on the US right, including in respected media organizations like the WSJ. There wasn't an ounce of pro-Palestinian protest during the RNC in July because the GOP is not seen to be in any way reachable on this issue. Whatever sympathy exists and whatever hope there is for a moderating US influence on Netanyahu is only going to come through the Democratic Party. And unfortunately for the Palestinians, the October 7 attacks only made it harder for those working on their behalf in the US to make the case.

As has been pointed out a number of times before, the Israel-Palestine conflict does not really figure highly among political concerns within the broad US public in the first place. You can sanctimoniously throw abuse at those of us who support Harris all you want, but it doesn't change the case that for those of us who live in the US, there is a lot more on the table than Israel and Palestine, whichever candidate you support.

But hey, Trump could easily win in November. We'll see what kind of future Gaza and the wider Palestinian people have then when there is absolutely no US administration weight on their side of whatever settlement will come out of this war.

I will. It's all you deserve, utter contempt. You indirectly support genocide and you can twist it anyway you want but that's what you are doing.

I guess I'll just have to soldier on and live with your contempt Itchy. At least if I want to live and vote and have at least some say in the real world as it exists.

But good luck to you fighting the good fight, voting for whichever party and candidates meet your evidently extremely high, precise, white glove standards on each and every issue under the sun.

high standards... not supporting and arming a genocide is now high standard... 

I know, it's very unreasonable of me.

Seamus

Former Democratic campaign worker:
"For once I'm not afraid to say it"

Is moral courage becoming contagious?

Ann Tompkins Rosen
August 26, 2024

The Emperor has no clothes.
Increasingly people are seeing this. But we're so enmeshed in society and messaging/programming that it takes time to trust your gut... to listen to the little voice in your head that tells you that something's not right. And it takes even longer to acknowledge it openly. Especially if you were once attached to it.

Thankfully, though, it's happening. People are summoning the courage to say difficult things out loud, confirming what many others are thinking and feeling.

Mostly this comes from "insiders" - people who are immersed in a scenario that allows them to see the patterns more clearly. But speaking up ensures the loss of not only that insider status, but all kinds of relationships and opportunities. (Consider the treatment of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. after he started acknowledging the corruption within his own party, even by members of his own family.)

https://x.com/Jules31415/status/1827893887794282972

This young woman is brave.

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1827807370254447055

"Ok, I'm gonna get real in this and it's probably going to piss some people off. But I'm ok with that. Because if I'm not being honest then what else am I doing?
I just got back from the DNC where I signed up to volunteer. And when I initially had signed up to volunteer, Joe Biden was still the nominee. It wasn't yet Kamala Harris. I've worked in progressive politics for a long time. I've worked for many different democratic candidates – senate candidates, house candidates, even some democratic organizations – and as the years have gone by I have found myself getting more and more disillusioned with the Democratic Party, although until now I've never said that out loud or anywhere public.

And I just want to say that by saying this I'm not necessarily saying that the other party is better. I'm just giving you my experience with working with the Democrats. Throughout my career I've mostly done campaign fundraising, so I've seen it the way that it works behind the scenes and I know that candidates spend 8, 9, 10 hours a day just calling donors and begging rich people for money. It's pretty much the only people that they talk to. I mean, of course sometimes they have to talk to voters, but the majority of their time is just spent calling and begging rich people to give the money for their campaigns. And what this inevitably means is that we don't actually live in a democracy. It's just rich people calling the shots and having the access to talk to politicians. They're the ones that basically get their ear all day. They're the ones that can help shape and prioritize what the politician actually focuses on.

Even the politicians that detest this, that want to get big money out of politics still have to play this game, still have to make these calls. They still do the same amount of just calling rich people and begging them for money. And what unfortunately happens once they get into office, if they get into office, is that they soon realize that the money machine is so great and the seduction of power is so immense that they no longer adhere to these values.

When I first got into politics, I thought that Democrats were the party of the people. And at the DNC this week I felt like I was in a building with the most elite and out of touch people in the entire world. It very much felt like let's just have a huge party and forget all of our problems because the vibes are brat.

When I was there I didn't feel any connection to Real America or the place that I come from, which is the Midwest... Kansas City. Kansas and Missouri.  I didn't feel any connection to the people I that know right now who are struggling to buy their groceries or to pay their rent, the people who want to know what both candidates are going to do to materially affect change in their lives. And when I was there listening to the speeches, I felt myself feeling mad because I didn't hear anything about the economy, definitely not in Kamala's speech and not very much in the other's as well.  Instead I heard generic platitudes, things like joy and respect and integrity and what does that even mean?

Let's make the military the most lethal in the world?! I thought I was part of the anti-war party. I thought I was part of the party that fought for the underdog, that championed working people. When and how did we just become the party of academia and affluence? Because that's what we are right now.  How can we ever say that we're going to fight corporate power or give a voice back to those communities that have been left behind when above the delegates on the floor in levels and levels in rings of suites with donors and corporations that sree literally looking down on the people below from above. That's what Chris Cuomo said and he is absolutely right.
I went to the DNC this year hoping that I would feel reconnected to the Democratic party, that I would have more of a sense of understanding of Kamala and her candidacy and what she stood for, but instead I ended up leaving and feeling the opposite – more disconnected and alone than ever. And I don't think I can support Kamala Harris for president. I don't even know if I can call myself a Democrat anymore. I don't know who I'm going to be supporting, but I know it's not her and for once I'm not afraid to say it."

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1827807370254447055

I don't think we should pretend this is just about the DNC. The DNC is both a microcosm of corruption throughout the global power structure and a macrocosm reflecting back the shadows and imbalances within each of us. It's not just the melting pot that's coming to a boil. We're all inflamed and it's showing up in all kinds of ways.
Let's stop trying to pretend we can't see it, whatever it is, because it's uncomfortable.

Let's get better at introspection and heal... and make that the next contagion.
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 05:21:02 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2024, 05:03:57 PMIn August 2019, President Donald Trump declared himself "history's most pro-Israel U.S. president." He also characterised the Democrats as radicals seeking to destroy the special relationship between the US and Israel. "If you vote for a Democrat", he said, "you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people." Prominent American Jewish leaders, mainly Democrats, protested his rebuke.
In January 2020, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Trump as "the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House." 

And It's well known how much Putin and Trump like each other.


Trump will say anything to get a vote, you should know that. The only thing he is "pro" is himself. Are you trying to tell us Genocude Joe is Pro Palestinian? He's watching their children get blown to pieces and all he cares about really us the "jew vote" and money. Harris is just a mini me. I'd spoil my vote if I lived in that shit hole.


Wouldn't live in that place for any amount of money however if I did knowing Trump and Netanyahu could end up in jail would be enough to get me to voting.

An opinion piece from adjunct Professor of Law Menachem Z Rosensaft


QuoteIsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu shares two important characteristics with former President Donald Trump: like Trump, Netanyahu is narcissistic, incapable of empathy for others who considers his personal interests and political survival to be of paramount importance, and, also like Trump, he desperately wants Trump to win the forthcoming presidential election in order for him to have a hope of staying out of jail.

That is pretty much all we need to know to explain Netanyahu's behavior some months before the said election.

Trump's motivation is hardly breaking news. Most Americans—even hardcore MAGA activists who idolize Trump—understand that Trump's legal difficulties will either increase or decrease exponentially depending on who takes the oath of office next Jan. 21 as the 47th president of the United States. One scenario: he lives in the White House for another four years; the other involves at a minimum heavy fines and quite possibly an orange prison uniform.

What many observers outside Israel don't realize, however, is that Trump's Mini-Me Netanyahu is in the exact same boat. Except that Netanyahu's situation is even more precarious than Trump's.

Netanyahu's present political situation is exemplified by the banana peel syndrome: he has one foot in political oblivion and the other on a banana peel. Like Trump, Netanyahu is under multiple criminal indictments and his various trials are ongoing. These trials would accelerate with bullet train speed were he to be forced out of office anytime soon.


Which brings into play the Nov. 5 presidential election.


Netanyahu has good reason to believe that fellow autocrat Trump will have little interest in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which perforce means bringing the present Israel-Hamas war in Gaza to some sort of end. One of Trump's principal advisers when it comes to Israel is former U.S. Ambassador to Israel David Friedman who supports ultranationalist Jewish claims to the West Bank and opposes a two-state solution, that is to say, any form of statehood for the Palestinians, ever.

The financial support of one of Trump's mega-donors, billionaire and Dallas Mavericks owner Miriam Adelson, the widow of Macau casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, is reportedly conditioned on Trump allowing Israel to annex the West Bank combined with U.S. recognition of Israel's sovereignty over all of that territory. To say that this is the utopian dream of not just Netanyahu but the entire coterie of right-wing extremists propping up his government would be the understatement of the year. Such a development, which goes counter to U.S. policy under multiple Democratic and Republican administrations, would also bring any prospect of not just Israeli-Palestinian peace but of Israeli-Palestinian coexistence to a screeching halt.

All of which explains why Netanyahu does not want an agreement for any kind of ceasefire in the Hamas-Israel war and the return of those hostages taken captive by Hamas on Oct. 7 who are still alive. He knows that the day after such an agreement is reached, he will be unable to withstand calls for new elections, which he could well lose.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2024, 05:18:28 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 30, 2024, 05:05:52 PMAnybody who thinks letting Trump back into the White House will be good for the Palestinians needs to see a doctor.

No one said that. I said it makes no difference.

So why single out Harris for all the criticism while keeping schtum about Trump?