Westminster Election 12th December 2019

[Frank_The_Tank]

Hanna and Eastwood will be articulate MPs who will explain the nationalist position in London very well.  All necessary to keep progressing towards a New Ireland.  In contrast, what is the point of MPs like Micky Brady and Francie Molloy.  I literally couldn't tell you what they do from one week to the next.

Who's going to be listening though?

Boris won't give a shit.

The Irish govt now hold *some" of the cards and the DUP are no longer in a position to stop whatever concession is needed on Ireland.  The link btw Varadkar/Coveney and the SDLP could be important.

Claire isn't a big fan of that as we all know.

Isn't the link between Fianna Fail (Michael Martin) and the SDLP - not Fine Gael (Varadkar/Coveney)

[Rois]

Hanna and Eastwood will be articulate MPs who will explain the nationalist position in London very well.  All necessary to keep progressing towards a New Ireland.  In contrast, what is the point of MPs like Micky Brady and Francie Molloy.  I literally couldn't tell you what they do from one week to the next.

Who's going to be listening though?

Boris won't give a shit.

The Irish govt now hold *some" of the cards and the DUP are no longer in a position to stop whatever concession is needed on Ireland.  The link btw Varadkar/Coveney and the SDLP could be important.

Claire isn't a big fan of that as we all know.

Isn't the link between Fianna Fail (Michael Martin) and the SDLP - not Fine Gael (Varadkar/Coveney)

Big support for Claire Hanna from FG over her canvassing period, but I'm refer to Varadkar and Coveney in their roles as ministers in government and part of the negotiating team for the EU.  DUP had no motivation to interact and consult - the SDLP will. 

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Good result for Nationalists seat wise due to the Brit 1st past the post system but still behind on votes (36% to 41%).

Aontu and Pbp want a UI so that will bring you up to the 40%  nationalism has been stick on for about 20 years. Its the unionist vote that is in a downward spiral plus Alliance are a totally differnt party now. 20 yrs ago they were defacto unionist now with brexit they will be open to anything.

[johnnycool]

Hanna and Eastwood will be articulate MPs who will explain the nationalist position in London very well.  All necessary to keep progressing towards a New Ireland.  In contrast, what is the point of MPs like Micky Brady and Francie Molloy.  I literally couldn't tell you what they do from one week to the next.

Who's going to be listening though?

Boris won't give a shit.

The Irish govt now hold *some" of the cards and the DUP are no longer in a position to stop whatever concession is needed on Ireland.  The link btw Varadkar/Coveney and the SDLP could be important.

Claire isn't a big fan of that as we all know.

Isn't the link between Fianna Fail (Michael Martin) and the SDLP - not Fine Gael (Varadkar/Coveney)

Apologies, it was Mark Durkan and his EU standings that threw me.

Need to do more homework.

[Solo_run]

Is Boris still going for a border down the Irish sea or can this be changed?

[Rossfan]

Good result for Nationalists seat wise due to the Brit 1st past the post system but still behind on votes (36% to 41%).

Aontu and Pbp want a UI so that will bring you up to the 40%  nationalism has been stick on for about 20 years. Its the unionist vote that is in a downward spiral plus Alliance are a totally differnt party now. 20 yrs ago they were defacto unionist now with brexit they will be open to anything.

That middle 20 needs to be encouraged towards  an All Ireland view of things.
Now that Johnson has got his big majority  how capable is he of going beyond sloganeering and actually running a State?

[Milltown Row2]

Is Boris still going for a border down the Irish sea or can this be changed?

Has it not been written in law? Why rock the boat go with what was agreed as being the best deal?

[RadioGAAGAA]

Is Boris still going for a border down the Irish sea or can this be changed?

It can be changed - but if anything it'll become a harder border down the Irish sea so he can take England off in a different direction easier.

Ceding to the EU on Irish integration will mean a win for him somewhere else in the negotiations... and the EU are attaching far more weight to the Irish problem than pretty much anything else.


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I can see the following happening

#1. Q1 2020 - Exit declaration passed. UK leaves EU.


#2.
If Boris wants to:
- meet his 12 month deadline,
- keep ERG happy
- retain independence from EU for future negotiations with others for trade deals
That means the future relationship negotiations between UK and EU will be brutal. With very little harmony in rights, standards and policies.


#3.
That will lead to an economic slump in the UK. With a corresponding savaging of public services.


#4.
Which will be further exacerbated by desperately bad trade deals done elsewhere (i.e. with US) leaving UK public services open to manipulation by these outside parties.


#5.
With infrastructure and services crumbling in NI, the majority will seek a border poll. It will pass easily and with relatively little violence. The EU will pump money into Ireland like Germany at unification to stabilise the economic hangover from Brexit.


#6.
Scotland will seek independence and will seek to join the EU.




It largely hinges on #2 - but I've explained my rationale for that conclusion... but he is that big a liar and acts in self-interest only, so its hard to know what he'd do.

[magpie seanie]

Personally quite gutted at the results in England and Wales. It's clear this was about Brexit and the people in those areas are steadfastly determined to jump off the cliff. I find it astonishing but I can understand it given the wall to wall coverage it has received.

As usual some unfair and inaccurate comment on Corbyn. I think he has done a tremendous job in making Labour stand for something again. I believe completely in the policies put forward and I know they are the only solution to growing wealth inequality, the jobs timebomb and the climate crisis. Eventually the people will realise this - hopefully before it's too late. I don't think he lost the election on his policy platform - the policies are popular. Brexit meant all bets were off. The Tories, like Trump in 2016, worked out what had to be said to win and the did it relentlessly. A winning strategy perhaps but that's a sad reflection on where we're at I'd say. Corbyn will go but Labour must stay the course with a modern social democratic alternative. Nothing worse than a country with two main parties offering the same.

The silver lining to the cloud is that a United Ireland is closer. I only hope and pray when it comes about we've moved away from the Varadkar/Murphy Tory style politics on this island and our kids get the United Ireland that brave people a century ago envisioned. 

[screenexile]

Personally quite gutted at the results in England and Wales. It's clear this was about Brexit and the people in those areas are steadfastly determined to jump off the cliff. I find it astonishing but I can understand it given the wall to wall coverage it has received.

As usual some unfair and inaccurate comment on Corbyn. I think he has done a tremendous job in making Labour stand for something again. I believe completely in the policies put forward and I know they are the only solution to growing wealth inequality, the jobs timebomb and the climate crisis. Eventually the people will realise this - hopefully before it's too late. I don't think he lost the election on his policy platform - the policies are popular. Brexit meant all bets were off. The Tories, like Trump in 2016, worked out what had to be said to win and the did it relentlessly. A winning strategy perhaps but that's a sad reflection on where we're at I'd say. Corbyn will go but Labour must stay the course with a modern social democratic alternative. Nothing worse than a country with two main parties offering the same.

The silver lining to the cloud is that a United Ireland is closer. I only hope and pray when it comes about we've moved away from the Varadkar/Murphy Tory style politics on this island and our kids get the United Ireland that brave people a century ago envisioned. 

It's not inaccurate seanie Corbyn was/is a disaster and if the Labour party blame this defeat solely on Brexit they will never recover. Corbyn may well stand for something (Farage and Tommy Robinson stand for plenty too) and that's fine but the public don't want it so either they package up the same policies but get somebody better to sell them to the public or they need to change tack altogether!!

[five points]

The silver lining to the cloud is that a United Ireland is closer. I only hope and pray when it comes about we've moved away from the Varadkar/Murphy Tory style politics on this island and our kids get the United Ireland that brave people a century ago envisioned.

Sorry, I can't ever see North Down voting for a united Ireland.

[Mourne Red]

The silver lining to the cloud is that a United Ireland is closer. I only hope and pray when it comes about we've moved away from the Varadkar/Murphy Tory style politics on this island and our kids get the United Ireland that brave people a century ago envisioned.

Sorry, I can't ever see North Down voting for a united Ireland.

Just as well there is more than North Down in the 6 Counties then....

[Milltown Row2]

The silver lining to the cloud is that a United Ireland is closer. I only hope and pray when it comes about we've moved away from the Varadkar/Murphy Tory style politics on this island and our kids get the United Ireland that brave people a century ago envisioned.

Sorry, I can't ever see North Down voting for a united Ireland.

Nor Ballymena or east Belfast but I'd imagine it'll be a a straight poll and anything over 50% will be enough. Though it's at least 10 years away in my opinion

[Kidder81]

Personally quite gutted at the results in England and Wales. It's clear this was about Brexit and the people in those areas are steadfastly determined to jump off the cliff. I find it astonishing but I can understand it given the wall to wall coverage it has received.

As usual some unfair and inaccurate comment on Corbyn. I think he has done a tremendous job in making Labour stand for something again. I believe completely in the policies put forward and I know they are the only solution to growing wealth inequality, the jobs timebomb and the climate crisis. Eventually the people will realise this - hopefully before it's too late. I don't think he lost the election on his policy platform - the policies are popular. Brexit meant all bets were off. The Tories, like Trump in 2016, worked out what had to be said to win and the did it relentlessly. A winning strategy perhaps but that's a sad reflection on where we're at I'd say. Corbyn will go but Labour must stay the course with a modern social democratic alternative. Nothing worse than a country with two main parties offering the same.

The silver lining to the cloud is that a United Ireland is closer. I only hope and pray when it comes about we've moved away from the Varadkar/Murphy Tory style politics on this island and our kids get the United Ireland that brave people a century ago envisioned.

Is this satire ?

[oneflewoverthecuckoonest]

A fantastic result for democracy and Brexit will be complete and the start of the collapse of the EU commences.

A great day for English Nationalism and Scottish Nationalism.

reading this board and other media feed, it appears the "Irish" Nationalists up north are not happy.....if a United Ireland is to materialise it will come as a cost and there will be victims along the way.....trouble is I think the "Nationists" in the north are Me Feiners as opposed to Sinn Feiners...in that they only want a smooth transition to a UI and anything the involves pain, count them out.

The UK ballot box has put the champagne socialists, the multi culturalists, the open border campaigners and the anti-nation staters out on their arses.