Interesting article on the prevalence of injuries in young players with Liverpool and the reasons for it as they step up to the first team. I know in my own club there is a massive increase in longterm injuries in young players coming into the senior squad compared to when i started about 20 years ago and the increased training intensity must be part of it, particularly when you consider the typical club player is not going to have access to the level of monitoring
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/01/liverpools-mystery-injuries-explained-bajcetic-doak-gordon-and-more/
Quote from: TabClear on January 18, 2024, 08:19:10 AMInteresting article on the prevalence of injuries in young players with Liverpool and the reasons for it as they step up to the first team. I know in my own club there is a massive increase in longterm injuries in young players coming into the senior squad compared to when i started about 20 years ago and the increased training intensity must be part of it, particularly when you consider the typical club player is not going to have access to the level of monitoring
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/01/liverpools-mystery-injuries-explained-bajcetic-doak-gordon-and-more/
20 years ago training was running and hard running and more running with drills ....
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 18, 2024, 08:29:07 AMQuote from: TabClear on January 18, 2024, 08:19:10 AMInteresting article on the prevalence of injuries in young players with Liverpool and the reasons for it as they step up to the first team. I know in my own club there is a massive increase in longterm injuries in young players coming into the senior squad compared to when i started about 20 years ago and the increased training intensity must be part of it, particularly when you consider the typical club player is not going to have access to the level of monitoring
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/01/liverpools-mystery-injuries-explained-bajcetic-doak-gordon-and-more/
20 years ago training was running and hard running and more running with drills ....
Absolutely agree. There is no doubt players now are on a different level fitness and strength wise. However, this definitely seems to be coming at the cost of players picking up more injuries and the article seems to give some indication of why this happpens. Not sure there is any solution if one of the best resourcesd sports clubs in the world is experiencing the same issues.
There are a few things different from back in the day..
Pitches are harder
Shoes are different
Training in the gym
Kids are made of paper
Every injury now requires surgery!!
Players know about, hamstrings and metatarsals and ligaments (was a sore leg in my day)
Players are bigger
Diet plans
Few other factors as to why we have these injuries I'm sure..
The enjoyment I'm sure is still there but, seems like hard work in comparison to the, hill runs during the week preseasons and the drills with the ball at the weekend
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 10:37:16 AMThere are a few things different from back in the day..
Pitches are harder
Shoes are different
Training in the gym
Kids are made of paper
Every injury now requires surgery!!
Players know about, hamstrings and metatarsals and ligaments (was a sore leg in my day)
Players are bigger
Diet plans
Few other factors as to why we have these injuries I'm sure..
The enjoyment I'm sure is still there but, seems like hard work in comparison to the, hill runs during the week preseasons and the drills with the ball at the weekend
Aye exactly this. I find the young guys coming from our minor team to the senior team are all specialists in complicated injuries and are getting told they need surgery etc.
There are no more "sore legs" its all hamstring tendinopathy this and osteitis pubis that.
I think parents have a lot of input here putting it in their heads they are 'injured', rather than just sore.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 18, 2024, 11:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 10:37:16 AMThere are a few things different from back in the day..
Pitches are harder
Shoes are different
Training in the gym
Kids are made of paper
Every injury now requires surgery!!
Players know about, hamstrings and metatarsals and ligaments (was a sore leg in my day)
Players are bigger
Diet plans
Few other factors as to why we have these injuries I'm sure..
The enjoyment I'm sure is still there but, seems like hard work in comparison to the, hill runs during the week preseasons and the drills with the ball at the weekend
Aye exactly this. I find the young guys coming from our minor team to the senior team are all specialists in complicated injuries and are getting told they need surgery etc.
There are no more "sore legs" its all hamstring tendinopathy this and osteitis pubis that.
I think parents have a lot of input here putting it in their heads they are 'injured', rather than just sore.
Yeah obviously theres going to be genuine cases of muscles going and stuff but I'd say a fair amount of the time players need to man the f**k up and play through a bit of discomfort.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 18, 2024, 11:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 10:37:16 AMThere are a few things different from back in the day..
Pitches are harder
Shoes are different
Training in the gym
Kids are made of paper
Every injury now requires surgery!!
Players know about, hamstrings and metatarsals and ligaments (was a sore leg in my day)
Players are bigger
Diet plans
Few other factors as to why we have these injuries I'm sure..
The enjoyment I'm sure is still there but, seems like hard work in comparison to the, hill runs during the week preseasons and the drills with the ball at the weekend
Aye exactly this. I find the young guys coming from our minor team to the senior team are all specialists in complicated injuries and are getting told they need surgery etc.
There are no more "sore legs" its all hamstring tendinopathy this and osteitis pubis that.
I think parents have a lot of input here putting it in their heads they are 'injured', rather than just sore.
Internet!! Social media and all that other crap will feed that info.
The magic words when I was playing/managing and a player went down holding his leg or something, going to take ya off lad... Bounced up like a bunny rabbit and away he went!
Now lads are looking for the physio, their own bottled water, magic spray and a rub, followed by can you name the months backwards from the physio!!
Heard that one last year, while standing beside a player! None of the players standing there could do it!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 18, 2024, 12:02:11 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 18, 2024, 11:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 10:37:16 AMThere are a few things different from back in the day..
Pitches are harder
Shoes are different
Training in the gym
Kids are made of paper
Every injury now requires surgery!!
Players know about, hamstrings and metatarsals and ligaments (was a sore leg in my day)
Players are bigger
Diet plans
Few other factors as to why we have these injuries I'm sure..
The enjoyment I'm sure is still there but, seems like hard work in comparison to the, hill runs during the week preseasons and the drills with the ball at the weekend
Aye exactly this. I find the young guys coming from our minor team to the senior team are all specialists in complicated injuries and are getting told they need surgery etc.
There are no more "sore legs" its all hamstring tendinopathy this and osteitis pubis that.
I think parents have a lot of input here putting it in their heads they are 'injured', rather than just sore.
Yeah obviously theres going to be genuine cases of muscles going and stuff but I'd say a fair amount of the time players need to man the f**k up and play through a bit of discomfort.
Not allowed to say 'man up'. Get with the program!!!
While players now have greater conditioning opportunities etc I would question that they are any 'stronger' than we were 25 years ago. Could maybe bench press more but genuinely question their core strength. As for fitness, I've trained teams the way we trained when I was playing and they could not do it. Simple as that
Because they are soft.. Falls park running up hills in the snow with someone on yer back!!
I used to fight with myself all the way over in my car, just don't go! Tuesdays Thursday, vomit!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2024, 02:47:57 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 18, 2024, 12:02:11 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 18, 2024, 11:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 10:37:16 AMThere are a few things different from back in the day..
Pitches are harder
Shoes are different
Training in the gym
Kids are made of paper
Every injury now requires surgery!!
Players know about, hamstrings and metatarsals and ligaments (was a sore leg in my day)
Players are bigger
Diet plans
Few other factors as to why we have these injuries I'm sure..
The enjoyment I'm sure is still there but, seems like hard work in comparison to the, hill runs during the week preseasons and the drills with the ball at the weekend
Aye exactly this. I find the young guys coming from our minor team to the senior team are all specialists in complicated injuries and are getting told they need surgery etc.
There are no more "sore legs" its all hamstring tendinopathy this and osteitis pubis that.
I think parents have a lot of input here putting it in their heads they are 'injured', rather than just sore.
Yeah obviously theres going to be genuine cases of muscles going and stuff but I'd say a fair amount of the time players need to man the f**k up and play through a bit of discomfort.
Not allowed to say 'man up'. Get with the program!!!
While players now have greater conditioning opportunities etc I would question that they are any 'stronger' than we were 25 years ago. Could maybe bench press more but genuinely question their core strength. As for fitness, I've trained teams the way we trained when I was playing and they could not do it. Simple as that
Agree with that. Not questioning that players are fitter now but it was a different gig. No floodlights, about 8 traffic cones with the emergency lights on top of them at various points on the pitch and not a ball in sight for midweek training until about march.
To be fair, most players turned up in Jan needing to lose about 2 stone which is not the case now but it was brutal going!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 02:59:53 PMBecause they are soft.. Falls park running up hills in the snow with someone on yer back!!
I used to fight with myself all the way over in my car, just don't go! Tuesdays Thursday, vomit!
Brilliant! Preseason every year I remember thinking during training's that i'll see this training out then that's me done. Every session I was jacking it in.
Some amount of boomers revealing themselves... young players probably doing a lot more training nowadays with no much recovery in between.
I agree they need to person up FFS!!
Quote from: general_lee on January 18, 2024, 05:07:15 PMSome amount of boomers revealing themselves... young players probably doing a lot more training nowadays with no much recovery in between.
That too. Like i said, theres a difference in genuinely picking up an injury and needing to "person" ;) up and play through that wee bit of pain everyone gets.
Not sure about anyone else but when I was 16/17/18 we would have trained twice a week with seniors, played senior game, minor game and trained once or twice with minors as well.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 18, 2024, 06:25:15 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 18, 2024, 05:07:15 PMSome amount of boomers revealing themselves... young players probably doing a lot more training nowadays with no much recovery in between.
That too. Like i said, theres a difference in genuinely picking up an injury and needing to "person" ;) up and play through that wee bit of pain everyone gets.
Not sure about anyone else but when I was 16/17/18 we would have trained twice a week with seniors, played senior game, minor game and trained once or twice with minors as well.
Throw in school games on top of that.
I genuinely trained Tuesday Thursday Friday and then at the weekend from start of 1996 until October 2000 with basically no break (2 months around end of 1997 was the height of it). Also 2 gym sessions as well. Got plenty of success but it was intense
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 18, 2024, 11:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 10:37:16 AMThere are a few things different from back in the day..
Pitches are harder
Shoes are different
Training in the gym
Kids are made of paper
Every injury now requires surgery!!
Players know about, hamstrings and metatarsals and ligaments (was a sore leg in my day)
Players are bigger
Diet plans
Few other factors as to why we have these injuries I'm sure..
The enjoyment I'm sure is still there but, seems like hard work in comparison to the, hill runs during the week preseasons and the drills with the ball at the weekend
Aye exactly this. I find the young guys coming from our minor team to the senior team are all specialists in complicated injuries and are getting told they need surgery etc.
There are no more "sore legs" its all hamstring tendinopathy this and osteitis pubis that.
I think parents have a lot of input here putting it in their heads they are 'injured', rather than just sore.
Correct, a lot of it is 'I've this injury and that injury' during the season. I can't train because of 'this and that'.
Funny thing is how all these wee niggles seem to clear up 2 weeks out from the championship and the physio is made reduntant!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 18, 2024, 06:25:15 PMQuote from: general_lee on January 18, 2024, 05:07:15 PMSome amount of boomers revealing themselves... young players probably doing a lot more training nowadays with no much recovery in between.
That too. Like i said, theres a difference in genuinely picking up an injury and needing to "person" ;) up and play through that wee bit of pain everyone gets.
Not sure about anyone else but when I was 16/17/18 we would have trained twice a week with seniors, played senior game, minor game and trained once or twice with minors as well.
Doing that in both codes and county, left school at 16 so didn't have higher education sport to contend with..
Kids have it easy, only playing level they are in and playing generally one code!
Telling the manager you had an injury just didn't happen
I think the gym is causing a lot of grief. Club lads are starting at minors and then go from there.
Some tool on Tiktok has a routine to shred or get gains and off they go.
Some lads are bulking upper body and their bodies can't hold it.
Now, that being said, there are lads who are NEVER not injured. And know all the jargon...
I can't understand why clubs have training so early either. Let the lads Winter and back in Spring.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 20, 2024, 12:07:42 PMI think the gym is causing a lot of grief. Club lads are starting at minors and then go from there.
Some tool on Tiktok has a routine to shred or get gains and off they go.
Some lads are bulking upper body and their bodies can't hold it.
Now, that being said, there are lads who are NEVER not injured. And know all the jargon...
I can't understand why clubs have training so early either. Let the lads Winter and back in Spring.
If you're doing the right stuff in the gym i.e. gaa specific stuff and not just training like a body builder it'll help prevent injury. But yeah if you're just firing big weights about you'll find yourself not fit to move.
In fairness if your league is starting late March early April theres no point coming back at the start of March, you'll quickly find boys will rock up with 2 or 3 stone to lose, well thats my experience anyway.