Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[Owenmoresider]

this is all about the southern election
the dogs on the street knew there wasn't enough monies for welfare etc in the Stormont house agreement but the shinners wait til the last minute.
crass politicking

what fecks me off is that they don't seem to care about anyone but the party
I have two kids who have already said they are getting out of the north as soon as they can
really pisses me off the calibre of people we have as leaders

Were they ever any other way? It's all about SF and gaining power and increasing their hold on it. All their sanctimony trying to suggest that they are superior to all their peers in their motivations and convictions should be seen for the nonsense that it is.

Surely all of the above could be applied to any political party there has ever been?? In fact, have you just written the definition of a political party?

It is, that's the whole point.

[orangeman]

£200mill will sort it according to Marty.

Martin McGuinness has said £200m would solve problems over welfare reform but the Northern Ireland Secretary has said there will be no extra cash.

Sinn Féin withdrew its support for a reform bill on Monday after accusing the DUP of reneging on commitments made in the Stormont House Agreement.

Mr McGuinness told RTÉ radio an extra £200m would close the gap.

[armaghniac]

£200mill will sort it according to Marty.

Martin McGuinness has said £200m would solve problems over welfare reform but the Northern Ireland Secretary has said there will be no extra cash.

Sinn Féin withdrew its support for a reform bill on Monday after accusing the DUP of reneging on commitments made in the Stormont House Agreement.

Mr McGuinness told RTÉ radio an extra £200m would close the gap.

No problem then, that could easily be raised by water charges.

[Maguire01]

£200mill will sort it according to Marty.

Martin McGuinness has said £200m would solve problems over welfare reform but the Northern Ireland Secretary has said there will be no extra cash.

Sinn Féin withdrew its support for a reform bill on Monday after accusing the DUP of reneging on commitments made in the Stormont House Agreement.

Mr McGuinness told RTÉ radio an extra £200m would close the gap.

He wants to take £200m from other services so that 6,000 odd families can continue to have benefits above £26k, with the average being over £30k... how is that protecting the most vulnerable?

[An Watcher]

Alot of sf bashing going on here. Seems that the shinners were chasing the dupers for weeks trying to find out the details. The dupers were trying to pull a fly one and push through their own proposals. Seems it would have been very easy for sf to let it go as they had already stood up to the dupers on this. Thankfully they didn't and here we are.
I'm no expert but this is how I see things

[Jim_Murphy_74]

Spotlight on now BBC1. More shit hitting the SF fan.

Just another Maria Cahill story.

Standard policy will apply.

1.  Attack any other political party that raises this as politically motiviated and accuse them of playing political football with victims
2.  Complain about independent media and their agenda
3.  Cause another issue to raise a stir (Reject a budget, sit in at Dáil etc..)
4.  Deny until completely implausible and then produce some material (delivered anonymously)
5.  Dig up some dirt on victim, if none can be found say that they are being manipulated by other forces
6.  Advise victims to "come forward"
7.  If still an issue return to no.1

It'll all blow over before you know it.

/Jim.

[orangeman]

Spotlight on now BBC1. More shit hitting the SF fan.

Just another Maria Cahill story.

Standard policy will apply.

1.  Attack any other political party that raises this as politically motiviated and accuse them of playing political football with victims
2.  Complain about independent media and their agenda
3.  Cause another issue to raise a stir (Reject a budget, sit in at Dáil etc..)
4.  Deny until completely implausible and then produce some material (delivered anonymously)
5.  Dig up some dirt on victim, if none can be found say that they are being manipulated by other forces
6.  Advise victims to "come forward"
7.  If still an issue return to no.1

It'll all blow over before you know it.

/Jim.

Did Francie Molloy really tweet the "rubbish" remark ( number 2 above ) or is it really number 1 ?.

[naka]

Alot of sf bashing going on here. Seems that the shinners were chasing the dupers for weeks trying to find out the details. The dupers were trying to pull a fly one and push through their own proposals. Seems it would have been very easy for sf to let it go as they had already stood up to the dupers on this. Thankfully they didn't and here we are.
I'm no expert but this is how I see things

The budget as set out in the stormont  house agreement gave a clear amount surely someone with simple maths could have worked out that the pie was going to be lower yet Marty now says we need another 200 million
The Tories can't give it cos they are facing an election too.
Why wS this not realised during the negotiation?

[give her dixie]

Spotlight on now BBC1. More shit hitting the SF fan.

Just another Maria Cahill story.

Standard policy will apply.

1.  Attack any other political party that raises this as politically motiviated and accuse them of playing political football with victims
2.  Complain about independent media and their agenda
3.  Cause another issue to raise a stir (Reject a budget, sit in at Dáil etc..)
4.  Deny until completely implausible and then produce some material (delivered anonymously)
5.  Dig up some dirt on victim, if none can be found say that they are being manipulated by other forces
6.  Advise victims to "come forward"
7.  If still an issue return to no.1

It'll all blow over before you know it.

/Jim.

Did Francie Molloy really tweet the "rubbish" remark ( number 2 above ) or is it really number 1 ?.

[muppet]

£200mill will sort it according to Marty.

Martin McGuinness has said £200m would solve problems over welfare reform but the Northern Ireland Secretary has said there will be no extra cash.

Sinn Féin withdrew its support for a reform bill on Monday after accusing the DUP of reneging on commitments made in the Stormont House Agreement.

Mr McGuinness told RTÉ radio an extra £200m would close the gap.

No problem then, that could easily be raised by water charges.

Brilliant!

[Orior]

£200mill will sort it according to Marty.

Martin McGuinness has said £200m would solve problems over welfare reform but the Northern Ireland Secretary has said there will be no extra cash.

Sinn Féin withdrew its support for a reform bill on Monday after accusing the DUP of reneging on commitments made in the Stormont House Agreement.

Mr McGuinness told RTÉ radio an extra £200m would close the gap.

No problem then, that could easily be raised by water charges.

And then pissed away

[Minder]

Out of curiosity, does anyone believe the welfare system does not need reform ?

[armaghniac]

Out of curiosity, does anyone believe the welfare system does not need reform ?

Of course it needs reform, the wholly inadequate amounts paid by the right wing Kenny and Cameron governments need to be vastly increased.

[Maguire01]

Out of curiosity, does anyone believe the welfare system does not need reform ?

Of course it needs reform, the wholly inadequate amounts paid by the right wing Kenny and Cameron governments need to be vastly increased.

And paid for by who?

Do you really think that 6,000 families in NI should receive benefits above the £26k annual cap (at an average of over £30k)? That's way above the NI average wage.

[armaghniac]

Out of curiosity, does anyone believe the welfare system does not need reform ?

Of course it needs reform, the wholly inadequate amounts paid by the right wing Kenny and Cameron governments need to be vastly increased.

And paid for by who?

The Rich. And you and me.