Right. might as well get it started...Will the negative football return?. Have we to start hand passing across our back line and mid field for ages waiting on an opportunity?. I'm really not looking forward to this for all these reasons, Donegal have had our measure for the last 15 years and we really struggle to play well against them never mind beat them. They're the worst team in Ireland to play against and watch...Please, please be a good flowing game and lets go for a shoot out...
Armagh win a shoot out all day long but we're never gonna get that. Ballybofey an absolute huer of a place to go to so Clones will level the playing field a bit in that respect. If we can get our kickouts right and take our chances we should have enough to best them.
Absolutely buzzing hope to get the weather.
Armagh have to press every Donegal kick-out from start to finish.
How will Ethan Rafferty's penetrating runs fair against the Donegal blanket defence ... it would at least create an overlap for someone else to be free just as last Sunday.
Donegal can't and won't let it become a shoot-out ... going to be very interesting to say the least!
Some of Armagh's scoring was top drawer against Tyrone ... particularly the two catch and kick points from both Murnin and Campbell ... a lot of other days they won't go over. We need to be taking more of any goal opportunities that arise. Hopefully Armagh bodies have recovered sufficiently from Sunday.
at least donegal cant narrow the pitch, so taht will make it easier for Armagh to at least win their own kickout.
actually buzzing myself for sunday if we get the injured guys on the pitch.
Mc Geeney needs to go for it, attack their kick out and push on.
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2022, 09:57:51 AM
Right. might as well get it started...Will the negative football return?. Have we to start hand passing across our back line and mid field for ages waiting on an opportunity?. I'm really not looking forward to this for all these reasons, Donegal have had our measure for the last 15 years and we really struggle to play well against them never mind beat them. They're the worst team in Ireland to play against and watch...Please, please be a good flowing game and lets go for a shoot out...
If we have learned anything from our previous games then it is that we can't afford to engage in a short passing running game. Donegal will beat us all day long at that stuff and we will be playing into their hands. Keep 2 men inside and vary our game by kicking long a good portion of the time. This suits the players that we have. Press the Donegal kick out for most of the game again like we did for the first 10 minutes of the second half the last game and make it a high energy match. Engaging in slow lateral, possession build up play only suits one team and it ain't Armagh. At least then we have a decent chance of winning but I think it will be a more difficult game than last Sunday. We don't have home advantage and we have always struggled against Donegal and their style of play.
Quote from: naka on June 08, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
at least donegal cant narrow the pitch, so taht will make it easier for Armagh to at least win their own kickout.
actually buzzing myself for sunday if we get the injured guys on the pitch.
Mc Geeney needs to go for it, attack their kick out and push on.
When did Donegal narrow the pitch?
Quote from: J70 on June 08, 2022, 10:37:51 AM
Quote from: naka on June 08, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
at least donegal cant narrow the pitch, so taht will make it easier for Armagh to at least win their own kickout.
actually buzzing myself for sunday if we get the injured guys on the pitch.
Mc Geeney needs to go for it, attack their kick out and push on.
When did Donegal narrow the pitch?
this year in ballyboffey
one could see clearly that the pitch was moved in at either side
Few questions for Armagh men:
Donegal will setup defensively...
How will you not have to start hand passing across the blanket defence? What's the alternative?
How do you not engage in a short running passing game with a team flooding back and target me double teamed?
How do you retain 2 men inside if their markers attack en masse?
And, why confident of winning if it did come down to a shoot out? You've a forward unit of Brennan, McHugh, McBreaty and Murphy in the Donegal ranks.
In saying all that, there will be a kick of a ball in it and prob one of the hardest results to predict to date
Quote from: JoG2 on June 08, 2022, 11:15:45 AM
Few questions for Armagh men:
Donegal will setup defensively...
How will you not have to start hand passing across the blanket defence? What's the alternative?
How do you not engage in a short running passing game with a team flooding back and target me double teamed?
How do you retain 2 men inside if their markers attack en masse?
And, why confident of winning if it did come down to a shoot out? You've a forward unit of Brennan, McHugh, McBreaty and Murphy in the Donegal ranks.
You're right I don't think we should bother turning up ;).
I think it will come down again to who can win the kickouts- Donegal cleaned us out the last time. And who will take their chances. We had one goal chance with possibly Nugent if I remember rightly that was missed and then obviously Rians non goal. On top of that we missed criminal amount of points as well althought think Donegal did too.
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Quote from: naka on June 08, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
at least donegal cant narrow the pitch, so taht will make it easier for Armagh to at least win their own kickout.
actually buzzing myself for sunday if we get the injured guys on the pitch.
Mc Geeney needs to go for it, attack their kick out and push on.
When did Donegal narrow the pitch?
this year in ballyboffey
one could see clearly that the pitch was moved in at either side
It still looked very tight to the terraces on tv. Can't have been by much.
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Quote from: JoG2 on June 08, 2022, 11:15:45 AM
Few questions for Armagh men:
Donegal will setup defensively...
How will you not have to start hand passing across the blanket defence? What's the alternative?
How do you not engage in a short running passing game with a team flooding back and target me double teamed?
How do you retain 2 men inside if their markers attack en masse?
And, why confident of winning if it did come down to a shoot out? You've a forward unit of Brennan, McHugh, McBreaty and Murphy in the Donegal ranks.
You're right I don't think we should bother turning up ;).
I think it will come down again to who can win the kickouts- Donegal cleaned us out the last time. And who will take their chances. We had one goal chance with possibly Nugent if I remember rightly that was missed and then obviously Rians non goal. On top of that we missed criminal amount of points as well althought think Donegal did too.
;D
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Quote from: naka on June 08, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
at least donegal cant narrow the pitch, so taht will make it easier for Armagh to at least win their own kickout.
actually buzzing myself for sunday if we get the injured guys on the pitch.
Mc Geeney needs to go for it, attack their kick out and push on.
When did Donegal narrow the pitch?
this year in ballyboffey
one could see clearly that the pitch was moved in at either side
It still looked very tight to the terraces on tv. Can't have been by much.
one could see clearly the markings, which tightened the whole pitch and
also allowed the bigger donegal men around the middle to close the space for the kickouts which meant rafferty had more often than not to go long.
armagh were cleaned out when this happened
It was brought in on both sides. Not sure what show it was on but it was highlighted
Quote from: JoG2 on June 08, 2022, 11:15:45 AM
Few questions for Armagh men:
Donegal will setup defensively...
How will you not have to start hand passing across the blanket defence? What's the alternative?
How do you not engage in a short running passing game with a team flooding back and target me double teamed?
How do you retain 2 men inside if their markers attack en masse?
And, why confident of winning if it did come down to a shoot out? You've a forward unit of Brennan, McHugh, McBreaty and Murphy in the Donegal ranks.
Armagh have a better attacking unit that Donegal. A shoot-out is the only way we win.
Donegal superior everywhere else, tactically, panel depth. The lot.
Donegal to win by four to six points.
Again another tight encounter and one that could swing either way.
My thinking is, that Donegal showed their hand completely against Armagh in the last game, so Armagh should be wise to how they are moving the ball and moving without the ball. This draw suits both teams, Donegal know they have beaten Armagh in championship football, and Armagh know they have the chance to redress that, neither team should hold no big fear of the other.
Its hard to predict who will pick up Murphy and McBrearty this time around also, as Armagh struggle to contain them when they play against them.
Also as mentioned, how the bodies hold up from the game on Sunday may play a part in this, 7 days is a quick turnaround for the Armagh players.
If Armagh's senior players deliver, Armagh can win it.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 08, 2022, 02:20:05 PM
Again another tight encounter and one that could swing either way.
My thinking is, that Donegal showed their hand completely against Armagh in the last game, so Armagh should be wise to how they are moving the ball and moving without the ball. This draw suits both teams, Donegal know they have beaten Armagh in championship football, and Armagh know they have the chance to redress that, neither team should hold no big fear of the other.
Its hard to predict who will pick up Murphy and McBrearty this time around also, as Armagh struggle to contain them when they play against them.
Also as mentioned, how the bodies hold up from the game on Sunday may play a part in this, 7 days is a quick turnaround for the Armagh players.
Yeah would have been nice to play someone different but neither team will fear the other for sure. Forker usually does rightly on Murphy and McKay was decent on McBrearty last day out in the first half anyway. Paddy Burns another option. Wouldn't mind seeing Morgan on Murphy as he's got the strength to compete physically and loves to drive forward so could put Murphy on the back foot.
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Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 08, 2022, 02:20:05 PM
Again another tight encounter and one that could swing either way.
My thinking is, that Donegal showed their hand completely against Armagh in the last game, so Armagh should be wise to how they are moving the ball and moving without the ball. This draw suits both teams, Donegal know they have beaten Armagh in championship football, and Armagh know they have the chance to redress that, neither team should hold no big fear of the other.
Its hard to predict who will pick up Murphy and McBrearty this time around also, as Armagh struggle to contain them when they play against them.
Also as mentioned, how the bodies hold up from the game on Sunday may play a part in this, 7 days is a quick turnaround for the Armagh players.
Yeah would have been nice to play someone different but neither team will fear the other for sure. Forker usually does rightly on Murphy and McKay was decent on McBrearty last day out in the first half anyway. Paddy Burns another option. Wouldn't mind seeing Morgan on Murphy as he's got the strength to compete physically and loves to drive forward so could put Murphy on the back foot.
would like morgan on murphy because i would want murphy having to do some chasing
armagh can`t be as bad but if we were honest in ballybofey donegal could have been out of sight at half time
tactically armagh need to go for it.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 08, 2022, 11:15:45 AM
Few questions for Armagh men:
Donegal will setup defensively...
How will you not have to start hand passing across the blanket defence? What's the alternative? Kick long over the blanket before they are able to flood men back. Cavan caused Donegal full back line all sorts of problems in the first half by kicking long and but for missed chances would have led by 4 or 5 points at half time. Armagh have the ball winning players inside to be able to do this and Donegal have a weak full back line without protection. If they then flood extra men back then that creates more opportunities to run the ball with extra space. With an extra man around the middle that this will create plus Rafferty playing out the field there should be plenty of options.
How do you not engage in a short running passing game with a team flooding back and target me double teamed? See above. Transition quicker and kick long before they have time to set into position.
How do you retain 2 men inside if their markers attack en masse? They don't have the personnel in their full back line to cause damage attacking. If they do then Armagh can just rotate the men inside.
And, why confident of winning if it did come down to a shoot out? You've a forward unit of Brennan, McHugh, McBreaty and Murphy in the Donegal ranks. McHugh is not a forward but does need to be tagged running from deep. Ban Gallagher the same. Murphy is an opportunity now to be attacked and as others have suggested, Morgan could be the best option to keep him on the back foot. He doesn't seem to have the tactical discipline to play inside even though he would be far more of a threat in there at this stage of his career. McBrearty is a finisher but can go long spells without touching the ball much. He is still a threat but no longer will he score 0-6 from play every game. Brennan and Langan are dangers. So they do have some quality footballers (overall I'd say they have better players than Armagh) but they are perennial underachievers and they are lesser than the sum of their parts. Armagh are probably the opposite.
I see the referee is Brendan Cawley ... what refereeing traits should we expect from Brendan?
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at least donegal cant narrow the pitch, so taht will make it easier for Armagh to at least win their own kickout.
actually buzzing myself for sunday if we get the injured guys on the pitch.
Mc Geeney needs to go for it, attack their kick out and push on.
When did Donegal narrow the pitch?
this year in ballyboffey
one could see clearly that the pitch was moved in at either side
It still looked very tight to the terraces on tv. Can't have been by much.
one could see clearly the markings, which tightened the whole pitch and
also allowed the bigger donegal men around the middle to close the space for the kickouts which meant rafferty had more often than not to go long.
armagh were cleaned out when this happened
The pitch being moved in a metre on each side (according to the BBC) would have given it the same dimensions as Croke Park. Incidentally, that's still far bigger than Clones.
Can't see anything but a Donegal win which is unfortunate because if Armagh were to win it's more likely than not that they'd have a very favourable draw for the quarter and semi finals (if they could get there). If Armagh, Mayo and Roscommon win this weekend then Armagh have a 2/3 chance to end up on the side of the draw with Galway, Derry and one of Roscommon, Mayo or Cork/Limerick. With no disrespect to those sides if that's not a big incentive to win then I don't know what is.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 08, 2022, 08:43:09 PM
Can't see anything but a Donegal win which is unfortunate because if Armagh were to win it's more likely than not that they'd have a very favourable draw for the quarter and semi finals (if they could get there). If Armagh, Mayo and Roscommon win this weekend then Armagh have a 2/3 chance to end up on the side of the draw with Galway, Derry and one of Roscommon, Mayo or Cork/Limerick. With no disrespect to those sides if that's not a big incentive to win then I don't know what is.
I'm sure they're all thinking the same thing though...you are not wrong btw.
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at least donegal cant narrow the pitch, so taht will make it easier for Armagh to at least win their own kickout.
actually buzzing myself for sunday if we get the injured guys on the pitch.
Mc Geeney needs to go for it, attack their kick out and push on.
Clones bigger longer though patton probably wont be able to kick as long
When did Donegal narrow the pitch?
this year in ballyboffey
one could see clearly that the pitch was moved in at either side
It still looked very tight to the terraces on tv. Can't have been by much.
one could see clearly the markings, which tightened the whole pitch and
also allowed the bigger donegal men around the middle to close the space for the kickouts which meant rafferty had more often than not to go long.
armagh were cleaned out when this happened
The pitch being moved in a metre on each side (according to the BBC) would have given it the same dimensions as Croke Park. Incidentally, that's still far bigger than Clones.
Clones bigger longer though patton probably wont be able to kick as long
Quote from: Armagh2022 on June 09, 2022, 02:59:44 PM
Clones bigger longer though patton probably wont be able to kick as long
Clones is 3 metres shorter.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 08, 2022, 08:43:09 PM
Can't see anything but a Donegal win which is unfortunate because if Armagh were to win it's more likely than not that they'd have a very favourable draw for the quarter and semi finals (if they could get there). If Armagh, Mayo and Roscommon win this weekend then Armagh have a 2/3 chance to end up on the side of the draw with Galway, Derry and one of Roscommon, Mayo or Cork/Limerick. With no disrespect to those sides if that's not a big incentive to win then I don't know what is.
I'm sure they're all thinking the same thing though...you are not wrong btw.
Oh I'm sure they are and rightly so. Odds are considerably less for Donegal being on that side of the draw though.
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Clones bigger longer though patton probably wont be able to kick as long
Clones is 3 metres shorter.
3 metres shorter than where? Ballybofey is supposed to be max length according to Wikipedia, but I posted an aerial image here which showed the 70m lines fairly close together which suggests that it is not.
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Quote from: Armagh2022 on June 09, 2022, 02:59:44 PM
Clones bigger longer though patton probably wont be able to kick as long
Clones is 3 metres shorter.
3 metres shorter than where? Ballybofey is supposed to be max length according to Wikipedia, but I posted an aerial image here which showed the 70m lines fairly close together which suggests that it is not.
3 metres shorter than both Croke Park and Ballybofey. The person I replied to said that Clones was bigger and longer, did you not read the post?
Quote from: balladmaker on June 08, 2022, 04:16:37 PM
I see the referee is Brendan Cawley ... what refereeing traits should we expect from Brendan?
He did the Munster Semi final between Kerry and Cork and for whatever reason was almost completely colour blind that day. I think it's possible to find on Youtube what Anthony Moyles of Meath said about him on OTB panel interview. Brave man Moyles and ASAIK he wasn't censored by Croke Park for his forthright comments.
Armagh cant afford to be completely cleaned out in midfield like the last time out v Donegal. If that happens then there is only one way this game goes. Donegal will push up on the kick out and Armagh will have to develop a strategy to get on the ball. It's a big concern...
The biggest factor tomorrow i think anyway is if Armagh can get an early goal or knock over a few early points and make Donegal come out and attack. If the opposite happens and they get a lead we will get another boring everyone behind the ball and passing sideways game. Lurganblue you are spot on and it worked for Donegal the last time so be assured they will plan for this tomorrow so what has KMcG got up his sleeve to counter this?
Just to wish the Armagh Players and Management Good Luck for today. You's can do it!! Heading to Clones, Safe Travels to everyone else travelling today and lets hope we can make it a sea of Orange and White. Armagh Abu!
Great goal!!
That was 100% a Donegal free from the throw in though and a black card by letter of the law!
Donegal have recovered well from the early conceded goal, Murphy showing his class once more.
6 points in a row
Maybe someday the ref will blow Campbell for his overcarrying...
Murphy at FF is helping Donegal in attack and in defence
Decent game so far!
Donegal playing great football, by far the better team.
Donegal playing better but Armagh won't go away!!
What a save!
so is that not a footblock
Quote from: Eire90 on June 12, 2022, 04:27:16 PM
so is that not a footblock
Wasn't a block on shot. Not even close.
Crazy 2 minutes!
This is mad mad game
Can Murphy take a mark off another man's catch??
Actually what the f**k was that?
Total meltdown by Shaun Patton has total swung this contest in favour of Armagh. Armagh 2-6 Donegal 0-9 31 mins played.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2022, 04:31:49 PM
Total meltdown by Shaun Patton has total swung this contest in favour of Armagh. Armagh 2-6 Donegal 0-9 31 mins played.
I thought his defenders let him down for the 2 kickouts there was nothing wrong with them!
Big turn around put a hex on Donegal. Kick outs always a mixed bag from Eunans man. First receiver was poor for the penalty.
McBrearty not impressed with Patton.
That has to be the end of Patton.. poor in ulster final, dropped a easy catch and 2 stupid kickouts
Does a team need a goalkeeper on the pitch (in the rulebook)? Should the ref not have allowed a sub or outfield player change jersey before the penalty?
Quote from: Rudi on June 12, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
McBrearty not impressed with Patton.
strange choice taking him off
Don't like the boo-ing, not needed.
Campbell a very greedy player - not a team player.
Quote from: straightred on June 12, 2022, 04:39:01 PM
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McBrearty not impressed with Patton.
strange choice taking him off
It looked more like he wasn't happy he was took off
Four points ahead Armagh will take that however that lead is thanks mostly to a couple of awful kick outs and Patton foolishly getting himself black carded.
Good first half of football some great scores and plenty of incidents hope Donegal can respond here and Armagh don't run away with it!
All I can say is Jesus f**king Christ Shaun Patton.
Three stupid short kick outs in a row: gets lucky with Campbells ridiculous miss on the first, Brendan McCole gets the next one by the skin of his teeth, then he does it again and to compound things gets a black card.
I wouldn't mind, but we had been playing well for periods. Yes, Armagh we're starting to get on top at midfield, but you don't hand them the game though sheet stupidity!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2022, 04:41:12 PM
Four points ahead Armagh will take that however that lead is thanks mostly to a couple of awful kick outs and Patton foolishly getting himself black carded.
I didn't think the kick-outs were too bad.
Just thought he should have went long with them. He has a heap of big men out the field.
I wouldn't weight off Donegal just yet...
Bar that f**k up Donegal are the better team..
Their shot selection has been brilliant
I'm looking at the 7/2 to qualify
The kicks out were dropped by the players, not the keeper
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Total meltdown by Shaun Patton has total swung this contest in favour of Armagh. Armagh 2-6 Donegal 0-9 31 mins played.
I thought his defenders let him down for the 2 kickouts there was nothing wrong with them!
Agree. Black card harsh for me, forward was already on his way down.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2022, 04:45:30 PM
I wouldn't write off Donegal just yet...
Bar that f**k up Donegal are the better team..
Their shot selection has been brilliant
I'm looking at the 7/2 to qualify
The kicks out were dropped by the players, not the keeper
Thought Donegal by far the better team outside the last 10mins. Short kickouts a poison chalice when the pressure is on, 2 defenders at fault for the goal and other goal chance. Donegal go long now, problem is Armagh struggle on their kickouts too. Armagh got 4pts and the breeze. Didn't think Murphy working out at full forward, just 2 balls kicked into him. Just like in the Derry game, all the booing is awful.
Quote from: marty34 on June 12, 2022, 04:45:15 PM
I didn't think the kick-outs were too bad.
Just thought he should have went long with them. He has a heap of big men out the field.
Quote from: screenexile on June 12, 2022, 04:32:41 PM
I thought his defenders let him down for the 2 kickouts there was nothing wrong with them!
the kick out that led to penalty was straight to unmarked Armagh player and minutes before another short kick out almost cost a goal, a 45 was scored. Thats 4 points gifted to Armagh and they lead by 4 at half time.
Great game for once. Not sure if have subbed McBrearty he didn't look happy with Patton! Looked like a penalty for sure.
Armagh have massive support there it seems like they're heavily outnumbering Donegal and definitely gives them a bit of an edge. Lots of booing for Donegal frees.
Hugely enjoyable game - credit to both reams.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 04:49:25 PM
Thought Donegal by far the better team outside the last 10mins. Short kickouts a poison chalice when the pressure is on, 2 defenders at fault for the goal and other goal chance. Donegal go long now, problem is Armagh struggle on their kickouts too. Armagh got 4pts and the breeze. Didn't think Murphy working out at full forwards just 2 balls kickdd into him. Just like in the Derry game, all the booing is awful.
And most Dublin games.
its been a great game. Lots happening, some great scores, some bombscare tactics... still tight to call
I don't mind the booing but it's those fecking horns that they keep blowing that irritates me, wish they were banned
Good crowd there at least
Rian O Neill is a very good footballer
You can't call a mark from a free?
Bit of dirt from Murphy there
Booing seems to be from both sides in fairness. I don't like it
Enjoyable enough game but doesn't have the same quality of the ulster final. Looks like it's all over. Donegal look gone.
Quote from: full moon on June 12, 2022, 04:57:35 PM
I don't mind the booing but it's those fecking horns that they keep blowing that irritates me, wish they were banned
Good crowd there at least
No need for boo-ing, pathetic now with both crowds at it.
Quote from: full moon on June 12, 2022, 04:57:35 PM
I don't mind the booing but it's those fecking horns that they keep blowing that irritates me, wish they were banned
Good crowd there at least
Agreed.
Imagine sitting beside, or even near, those muppets!
Back when I was a Hill goer, always made sure to keep well away from the bodhran eejits.
Murphy went for the ball, wasn't sure it was a mark myself.
Definitely not a mark!
Donegal are gone huge problems there Bonner has to be gone after a complete failure of a season.
Donegal look clueless now.
Can it be a defensive mark from an attacking free kick ?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:06:18 PM
Murphy went for the ball, wasn't sure it was a mark myself.
No mark, sure was from a free.
Some score from Souppy, greedy player but classy at the same time. How Bonner got another year I'll never know. Wonder would Rockford go alone or go to Roscommon.
This second half is very poor. Armagh won't care they're keeping Donegal at arms length.
O'Rourke will no doubt get the digs in again afterwards!
This is getting humiliating now!
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Murphy went for the ball, wasn't sure it was a mark myself.
No mark, sure was from a free.
Commentary team don't even know a mark!
Murphy booting out there is dirty enough. Lucky with him on a yellow.
Have to be honest I thought Armagh were being a bit overhyped for this game but it appears I was wrong. Seem much better.
armagh milking it now. Nothing wrong with this lad either
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Murphy went for the ball, wasn't sure it was a mark myself.
No mark, sure was from a free.
Commentary team don't even know a mark!
Sky should hold coaching courses for Rte pundits & co commentators. Donegal excellent for 22minutes, now utter scutter. Playing like a team where they know it's their managers last game.
Overhyped? They were not favourites
Hard to judge, they were getting totally over run up to 25mins, Shaun Patton and the close in short kicks have been Donegal downfall, but Armagh been well top past 35mins
Donegal should clocked the last 3 pts there, going for goal way to early.
Donegal are completely gone.. no fwd threat whatsoever.. bye bye bonner
Armagh supporters are hard to like.. the booing of a player that is a class above what they have is pathetic
Airhorns are proper c***ts of things
Good goal, all over now
game over. Armagh will give anyone a game now
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:06:18 PM
Murphy went for the ball, wasn't sure it was a mark myself.
No mark, sure was from a free.
Commentary team don't even know a mark!
Sky should hold coaching courses for Rte pundits & co commentators. Donegal excellent for 22minutes, now utter scutter. Playing like a team where they know it's their managers last game.
Yeah, it's like being back in the John Joe Doherty/MvIvor periods.
Indiscipline, frustration, loss of composure, poor decision making.
Bonner's done.
Dublin would still eat them.
Really nice finish for the third goal.
That looks to be that, Donegal under Bonner are awful to watch.
Thank god that's the last we have to look at them this year!
Is this Kieran McGeeney's biggest win?
Dublin well overhyped on this thread!
Full back line waiting to be ate and not a whole heap on the bench
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:20:41 PM
Dublin would still eat them.
They're the strongest of themselves, mayo, cork or clare. The team you'd want to avoid in the draw
Be nice to leave the buckfast brigade at home nxt day.
A player still on the pitch could be Donegals manager next year.
The Armagh arsehole supporters seem to be out in force today
For the ability Michael Langan has, he been very poor past few games.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:24:14 PM
Be nice to leave the buckfast brigade at home nxt day.
A lot of drunken bandwagon eggits follow Armagh.
Quote from: tintin25 on June 12, 2022, 05:25:32 PM
The Armagh arsehole supporters seem to be out in force today
Every county has bandwagon arseholes.
Not sure why Donegal are launching in hopeful balls for goals.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:26:05 PM
For the ability Michael Langan has, he been very poor past few games.
No impact this season at all.
He missed a lot of the league with injury, but if he has not been worth his spot in the Championship.
reminds me of the world cup in south africa. FIFA banned those horn things after that - the GAA should do the same
This is shocking from Donegal. Brainless .
Just take the f**king points. Game's over.
what have they done the armagh supporters or the banwagoners
And I thought we were bad (which we undoubtedly were), but Donegal are worse, by a distance. :)
The next time we see Donegal in the championship there will probably be many changes. This year belonged to Armagh and Derry in Ulster.
Quote from: J70 on June 12, 2022, 05:30:57 PM
This is shocking from Donegal. Brainless .
Just take the f**king points. Game's over.
I've counted 7 points they have not taken going forward Hail Marys
Christ those Horns! >:(
you still rather play derry than kerry or dublin
FT Armagh 3-17 Donegal 0-16. Great two weeks for Armagh totally dominated that 2nd half. Awful response by Donegal in that 2nd half to the two minutes of madness in the 1st half that swung the contest in favour of Armagh.
Quote from: Eire90 on June 12, 2022, 05:34:52 PM
you still rather play derry than kerry or dublin
Sure HQ always like the Ulster teams to knock each other out before the AIF lest a repeat of 2003!
Pay back big time for the 7 point defeat in defeat in April. Goodbye to Donegal and Bonner as manager. Hello to the All-Ireland quarter finals for Armagh and McGeeney.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2022, 05:40:34 PM
Pay back big time for the 7 point defeat in defeat in April. Goodbye to Donegal and Bonner as manager. Hello to the All-Ireland quarter finals for Armagh and McGeeney.
Great victory - enjoy.
Well done Armagh. Thoroughly deserved win and margin of victory against a Donegal team clearly in need of a new direction. I thought we played very well for the first 25 minutes, but all of a sudden Armagh got their matchups right on the kick outs, which led to Patton's meltdown, which basically decided the game.
I don't see how Bonner can stay on now, nor why he'd want to. He had a decent first two years, but the last three campaigns have been utter failures, albeit mitigated a bit in the first two by Covid and the championship structure. But he got this year to put it right, and it's been dreadful. Don't mind losing, but the football and tactics is just slow, boring and too risk averse. It was actually enjoyable early in today's game when they were hitting passes into the corners and passing and moving the ball quickly. But there's been far too little of that overall. The fact that so few Donegal people showed up today, and even for the Ulster Final, tells you all you need to know.
It's funny fball stimes, 1 team on top for 25mins and looking to run away with it then totally dominated next 50mins.
If I was a Donegal man I be looking at Murphy for their nxt manager unless they go outside the county. His legs are gone.m, he may stay on another year but I think a rebuild job is required, the attitude of some of Donegal players needs looked at, the ability of them and they just disappear in Tight games. Murphy if he does go, will go down as Donegal greatest ever player.
Quote from: Rudi on June 12, 2022, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:24:14 PM
Be nice to leave the buckfast brigade at home nxt day.
A lot of drunken bandwagon eggits follow Armagh.
I was behind a group of drunken young Derry fans at the Ulster final. I can't be sure but I think they were from Glenullin.
I doubt they were bandwagoners though, they seemed to know their stuff about football.
The worst things I heard from them were calling a Derry minor player the R word (another word for disabled) and one of them talking about his sexual exploits with a girl in graphic detail.
Armagh finally showing up, they still have the ability to kick themselves out of the championship. The booing was rather unsavoury from Armagh fans but other than that they were definitely the extra man that was needed
Oh Derry picked up 15k who probably hadn't been at games in yrs, first time I heard Derry ones constant booing at games in a long time, outside of the Ole Dungiven contingent. I just think the booing can be left at home, it's not cheering on your team, it's pathetic to be honest and better left on the great old soccer stands.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:55:43 PM
If I was a Donegal man I be looking at Murphy for their nxt manager unless they go outside the county. His legs are gone.m, he may stay on another year but I think a rebuild job is required, the attitude of some of Donegal players needs looked at, the ability of them and they just disappear in Tight games. Murphy if he does go, will go down as Donegal greatest ever player.
I don't know what it is, but we have a bunch of players who seem to hide when the going gets tough. We'd some excuse in 2019 against Mayo as the team was young, but we're three years further on. It can't be down to Murphy every day out. That lumping it into him on every possession with 20 minutes still left was just shirking responsibility.
I've no idea whether Murphy as player manager would be seriously considered. Might be worth a try, or maybe partner him with Rory Kavanagh or someone. There are no obvious high profile figures within the country waiting to take over.
First though, Bonner has to resign so they can get going on their search.
Was he not managing Letterkenny IT?
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 12, 2022, 06:11:19 PM
Quote from: Rudi on June 12, 2022, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:24:14 PM
Be nice to leave the buckfast brigade at home nxt day.
A lot of drunken bandwagon eggits follow Armagh.
I was behind a group of drunken young Derry fans at the Ulster final. I can't be sure but I think they were from Glenullin.
I doubt they were bandwagoners though, they seemed to know their stuff about football.
The worst things I heard from them were calling a Derry minor player the R word (another word for disabled) and one of them talking about his sexual exploits with a girl in graphic detail.
Saw them - they were actually from Ballyronan, live near the lough. Young but - sure you were young yourself last century.
Great win for Armagh - delighted for their long suffering supporters.
Hopefully it's onwards and upwards for them.
Great banter on this DB back in their halcyon days - any chance of a Tony Fearon comeback
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 12, 2022, 06:40:31 PM
Great win for Armagh - delighted for their long suffering supporters.
Hopefully it's onwards and upwards for them.
Great banter on this DB back in their halcyon days - any chance of a Tony Fearon comeback
It was bad enough first time around
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
On the game itself I thought Armagh were superb and made Donegal look very poor rather than Donegal being poor.
I don't think any of the provincial winners will want Armagh the next day. Statistically it's likely to be Galway or Kerry but I'd like Derry or Dublin
I have to admit for 15 minutes in the first half I thought Donegal were going to hammer Armagh. Briliant performance from Armagh, I hope they carry this type of game forward.
Booing quite alot at the game, def came across on tv
Constant booing of Donegal players by a lot of young Armagh fans. But if it gives them a free pass let's just say that none of them looked like they'd be driving home.
I had to move away from them as had my daughter with me and they let a flare off at the start of the game.
There were a lot of air horns but I genuinely heard very little booing from either side
Murphy got booed a few times for his frees but that's bog standard at this stage, I think he gets booed every game nowadays.
Congrats to Armagh. I thought they managed the game well but I disagree with the poster who said they made us look bad rather than us being bad. The 2nd half from us was one of the worst I've seen, going back to the embarrassing hammering from Galway in Rory Gallagher's last game.
If we had gone down fighting in a cracker (which it was shaping up to be), I would have been fine with Bonner staying on. But the players performance in that 2nd half says it all.
We owed Donegal that one and it was nice to see us in front with a bit to spare and Donegal having to come out.Top quality performances from O'Neill, Burns, Rafferty, Grugan, Duffy. Could go through the whole team though. They've got the early league form back again. The strength and conditioning still standing to us ;). A few weeks ago the supporters were just asking to see the team cut loose a bit an give it a go - if that led to results then great. They've done that in spades in the past 2 weeks.
Hate the booing myself.
No need for it.
Also hate the drunken elements at some games..
There were some at the Ulster final from Derry too.
You'd imagine that's the end of the road for Murphy.
Legs are gone. Still has a deadly boot, but not at the level he once was.
Management for Donegal will find it tough to go on another year.
However, I'd say if Donegal had hammered Armagh, geezer was gone and Bonner would be under no pressure..
Football is a fickle game.
Puts Derry into perspective this game too.
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 12, 2022, 07:57:30 PM
Murphy got booed a few times for his frees but that's bog standard at this stage, I think he gets booed every game nowadays.
Congrats to Armagh. I thought they managed the game well but I disagree with the poster who said they made us look bad rather than us being bad. The 2nd half from us was one of the worst I've seen, going back to the embarrassing hammering from Galway in Rory Gallagher's last game.
If we had gone down fighting in a cracker (which it was shaping up to be), I would have been fine with Bonner staying on. But the players performance in that 2nd half says it all.
I think the booing comes in the summer with the young lads/lassies getting the buses and obviously, on the beer on the way down to Clones.
They all gather in together with the herd mentality.
Wouldn't get it at a National League game in Feb!
Grugan and ONeill and a few others tbf are great to watch;
Murphy bein written off a bit prematurely, he be some boy to bring in with 20 to go
Bonnar is away youd think
Hate the booin meself. And them bloody horns.
Im just typing as i think of stuff and hope noone notices
The booing seemed to start when Murphy was taking an age with a free when Patton was off with the black card. Not great but hardly the worst I've heard.
Some win, back to back performances like the last 2 are a real credit to management and players after Ballybofey. Roll on Croke Park!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 12, 2022, 08:21:05 PM
The booing seemed to start when Murphy was taking an age with a free when Patton was off with the black card. Not great but hardly the worst I've heard.
Some win, back to back performances like the last 2 are a real credit to management and players after Ballybofey. Roll on Croke Park!
I was mainly meaning the Derry match (me own County was at it) tho both sets were at it a bit today. Rafferty was gettin a touch for some weird reason (prob for gettin clattered that time)
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 12, 2022, 08:21:05 PM
The booing seemed to start when Murphy was taking an age with a free when Patton was off with the black card. Not great but hardly the worst I've heard.
Some win, back to back performances like the last 2 are a real credit to management and players after Ballybofey. Roll on Croke Park!
I was mainly meaning the Derry match (me own County was at it) tho both sets were at it a bit today. Rafferty was gettin a touch for some weird reason (prob for gettin clattered that time)
I think that was Armagh ones shouting "shoot" rather than anyone booing.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 12, 2022, 08:21:19 PM
It's reflective of young people in society today. Zero respect for anything really.
Drinking too much, being downright disrespectful to opposition players, talking about riding.....the list goes on.
Take me back to 30 years ago when people went to games to watch football.
Clones 30 years ago was probably more of a lawless place on big match days than nowadays! Some crazy sights and sounds back in the day
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 12, 2022, 08:21:05 PM
The booing seemed to start when Murphy was taking an age with a free when Patton was off with the black card. Not great but hardly the worst I've heard.
Some win, back to back performances like the last 2 are a real credit to management and players after Ballybofey. Roll on Croke Park!
Booing was definitely there on tv.
Though when Rafferty was on the ball, (could be wrong), but was it not his own fans shouting'shoooot' rather than opposition boos?
Quote from: Silver hill on June 12, 2022, 08:37:56 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 12, 2022, 08:21:05 PM
The booing seemed to start when Murphy was taking an age with a free when Patton was off with the black card. Not great but hardly the worst I've heard.
Some win, back to back performances like the last 2 are a real credit to management and players after Ballybofey. Roll on Croke Park!
Booing was definitely there on tv.
Though when Rafferty was on the ball, (could be wrong), but was it not his own fans shouting'shoooot' rather than opposition boos?
Yeah thats what I thought too.
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 12, 2022, 07:57:30 PM
Murphy got booed a few times for his frees but that's bog standard at this stage, I think he gets booed every game nowadays.
Congrats to Armagh. I thought they managed the game well but I disagree with the poster who said they made us look bad rather than us being bad. The 2nd half from us was one of the worst I've seen, going back to the embarrassing hammering from Galway in Rory Gallagher's last game.
If we had gone down fighting in a cracker (which it was shaping up to be), I would have been fine with Bonner staying on. But the players performance in that 2nd half says it all.
It was like watching some junior team, the way they were launching aimless balls in on top of Murphy from 20 minutes out, and him surrounded by five or six men. Even he had by some miracle won one and stuck it in, what then for the other six or seven points they needed? I doubt if Armagh could believe what they were witnessing.
Mayo were in a similar position yesterday, and ran out easy winners. Different attitudes and different management.
Congrats Armagh - best of luck for the rest of the year. Youse are playing great football at the moment.
We got a real hiding today - it just hasn't clicked for this group of players/management over the last few years and change is probably necessary, and not just on the sideline.
Quote from: J70 on June 12, 2022, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 12, 2022, 07:57:30 PM
Murphy got booed a few times for his frees but that's bog standard at this stage, I think he gets booed every game nowadays.
Congrats to Armagh. I thought they managed the game well but I disagree with the poster who said they made us look bad rather than us being bad. The 2nd half from us was one of the worst I've seen, going back to the embarrassing hammering from Galway in Rory Gallagher's last game.
If we had gone down fighting in a cracker (which it was shaping up to be), I would have been fine with Bonner staying on. But the players performance in that 2nd half says it all.
It was like watching some junior team, the way they were launching aimless balls in on top of Murphy from 20 minutes out, and him surrounded by five or six men. Even he had by some miracle won one and stuck it in, what then for the other six or seven points they needed? I doubt if Armagh could believe what they were witnessing.
Mayo were in a similar position yesterday, and ran out easy winners. Different attitudes and different management.
Honestly don't know what that was about. Was never gonna work with Rafferty in there anyway.
Was good for Armagh to win, they play decent football. Donegal are just far too negative and have been for a long time. If they won they'd have only been brutally exposed in Croke Park once again with their style of play.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 12, 2022, 08:45:03 PM
There is an odd notion in GAA about booing. There are men of all ages and status who turn up at games club and county and verbally abuse everyone from the ref to the boy running the tuck shop, from start to finish. All sorts of language. Not an eyelid batted, even gets a few chuckles from those around him.
By Christ he'd better not boo anyone.
It's a boo ffs. Dry up.
Uhoh. Looks like we have a boo'er on the board. Mods?
Funnily enough, while being nice people, I always found Donegal fans to be the biggest booers against Mayo. Apart from the Dubs on the Hill obviously.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 12, 2022, 08:45:03 PM
There is an odd notion in GAA about booing. There are men of all ages and status who turn up at games club and county and verbally abuse everyone from the ref to the boy running the tuck shop, from start to finish. All sorts of language. Not an eyelid batted, even gets a few chuckles from those around him.
By Christ he'd better not boo anyone.
It's a boo ffs. Dry up.
Always thought the same.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 12, 2022, 09:09:31 PM
Loud & proud.
Without that strange apostrophe though.
Loud and proud?
What are you, 12?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 12, 2022, 09:23:42 PM
What's it to you?
Just curious why someone would claim pride in booing amateur players.
Suggests immaturity to me.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
Quote from: onefaircounty on June 12, 2022, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 12, 2022, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 12, 2022, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 12, 2022, 09:23:42 PM
What's it to you?
Just curious why someone would claim pride in booing amateur players.
Suggests immaturity to me.
You do realise that people may say things on here that they don't really mean?
For example, I don't imagine that you often initiate internet chats with people you believe to be 12.
The discussion between myself and quit yo jibbajabba was not to be taken seriously.
I was totally serious 😉 on reflection i agree with you on the apostrophe tho 😃
Quote from: onefaircounty on June 12, 2022, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
I'm not saying there wasn't booing. Just wasn't particularly noticeable where I was in the Gerry Arthurs. My brothers family didn't notice it either and they were a section over.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on June 12, 2022, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
I'm not saying there wasn't booing. Just wasn't particularly noticeable where I was in the Gerry Arthurs. My brothers family didn't notice it either and they were a section over.
I was on the hill and to be fair there was a lot of booing when Murphy was hitting frees. The ref got a couple as well.
Yiz are great booers though and I mean that as a compliment.
Maybe they were all shouting Burns at Jarly Og?
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 10:46:05 PM
Maybe they were all shouting Burns at Jarly Og?
I like it. Possible ©️ issues tho
The Armagh support is unusual. It's like a major day out for people who don't really have an interest in the games. They're deadly for cheering their own wides. It's like, if it goes near the posts, it must be a point. Great cheerers of wides and booers. And ole-ers. Maybe it's just the Lurgan ones.
Well done to Armagh today.....great game and fantastic atmosphere! Can't believe the amount of giving out on here tonight about the Booing from Armagh fans.......there is booing at all matches. We were in the stand and there were a few boos at the Ref and the antics of Murphy....which were both well deserved. Worse than any booing was the antics of Bonnar and co following the Referee across the pitch at the end of the 1st half then the Donegal Doctor going over to the Referee, giving off too .....before Armagh came out for 2nd half. Anyway like Rian said We will turn Croker into a sea of Orange and White..
Gerry Adams pissed off.
https://twitter.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/1536019105911816192
Another blow in judging on his no of posts. Must be a Armagh Band wagoner, our own county picked up about 15k last outing. On a serious note, outside of Dublin, supporters tending not to boo opposite players too often, times change, not necessarily for the better. Just think it'd a total lack of respect for players who put in alot of time to a amateur sport. As for Donegal, Bonner taking all the hits for the team. I think alot of players have let him down performance wise.
Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2022, 10:57:49 PM
The Armagh support is unusual. It's like a major day out for people who don't really have an interest in the games. They're deadly for cheering their own wides. It's like, if it goes near the posts, it must be a point. Great cheerers of wides and booers. And ole-ers. Maybe it's just the Lurgan ones.
I remember stopping in Applegreen on way back from Dublin one Sunday..
I think Armagh were playing Meath in Navan.
Some mad Lurgan ones in it - very loud and loutish. Obviously had a few beers in them but bad mannered at the BK/food desk.
Completely different to the south Armagh, south Derry and east Tyrone people.
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Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2022, 10:57:49 PM
The Armagh support is unusual. It's like a major day out for people who don't really have an interest in the games. They're deadly for cheering their own wides. It's like, if it goes near the posts, it must be a point. Great cheerers of wides and booers. And ole-ers. Maybe it's just the Lurgan ones.
I remember stopping in Applegreen on way back from Dublin one Sunday..
I think Armagh were playing Meath in Navan.
Some mad Lurgan ones in it - very loud and loutish. Obviously had a few beers in them but bad mannered at the BK/food desk.
Completely different to the south Armagh, south Derry and east Tyrone people.
Any further North than about Newtown- consider them from a different county tbh.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 11:20:24 PM
Another blow in judging on his no of posts. Must be a Armagh Band wagoner, our own county picked up about 15k last outing. On a serious note, outside of Dublin, supporters tending not to boo opposite players too often, times change, not necessarily for the better. Just think it'd a total lack of respect for players who put in alot of time to a amateur sport. As for Donegal, Bonner taking all the hits for the team. I think alot of players have let him down performance wise.
Without a doubt but at the end of the day, Bonner keeps picking them. Everyone in Donegal knows there have been underperforming players this year, it seems harder to get dropped than anything else in Donegal.
So while Bonner has done loads of great work in Donegal football over the years, there's no doubt it's gotten stale and this year has been a disaster with how it's ended up. If the players had performed and we went down fighting, that's one thing, but the fact they were so so poor in that 2nd half says as much about the management as it does about the players themselves to be honest.
Armagh fans are the worst. Like the English. Widely hated. Fuelled on Buckfast and God knows what else. Was scundered for them invading the pitch.
Quote from: trailer on June 13, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
Armagh fans are the worst. Like the English. Widely hated. Fuelled on Buckfast and God knows what else. Was scundered for them invading the pitch.
Says a Tyrone man
Quote from: trailer on June 13, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
Armagh fans are the worst. Like the English. Widely hated. Fuelled on Buckfast and God knows what else. Was scundered for them invading the pitch.
. A load of kids running on to get photos and autographs with their idols? Yeah disgraceful...
Quote from: trailer on June 13, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
Armagh fans are the worst. Like the English. Widely hated. Fuelled on Buckfast and God knows what else. Was scundered for them invading the pitch.
My young fella ran onto the pitch to try and get a few selfies ... I went after him to make sure he didn't get lost ... I can confirm neither of us were 'fuelled on buckfast'.
LOL
Quote from: trailer on June 13, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
Armagh fans are the worst. Like the English. Widely hated. Fuelled on Buckfast and God knows what else. Was scundered for them invading the pitch.
Very bitter post. When you say widely hated what you really mean is hated in Tyrone. Which I would take as a massive complement.
Ok I didn't mean to be so bitter.
Congratulations to Armagh, All Ireland Qualifier Champions 2022. Well done to Geezer and the boys. Is there a homecoming?
Who would you rate lower? Armagh fans or Jurgen Klopp?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2022, 11:41:08 AM
Who would you rate lower? Armagh fans or Jurgen Klopp?
Tough one...
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 12, 2022, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on June 12, 2022, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on June 12, 2022, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on June 12, 2022, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
It was going from the go, been on the hill last game, the tv studio seems to be open, hence the noise level alot easier to hear, especially the yos, standing bellowing on the safety barriers.
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At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
Murphy has always been at that craic. He just always got away with it as he's such a good baller.
I'd go so far as to call him dirty.
I'll caveat that by stating I'm not bitter at all by him getting an unwarranted penalty agians us the last time we got to an Ulster final.
The kicking out at forker when rolling round on ground. I personally thought he could have got red as booked already.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
Murphy has always been at that craic. He just always got away with it as he's such a good baller.
I'd go so far as to call him dirty.
I'll caveat that by stating I'm not bitter at all by him getting an unwarranted penalty agians us the last time we got to an Ulster final.
If Murphy was from Tyrone or Armagh he'd get serious stick for his antics. Yesterday Donegal hit a long ball in from a free, was a poor ball and Aaron McKay caught it and (wrongly) called for a defensive mark. Murphy had a perfect opportunity to tackle him legitimately as McKay had stopped snd was expecting a mark. Murphy shoulder charged him from behind with McKay completely not expecting it.
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The kicking out at forker when rolling round on ground. I personally thought he could have got red as booked already.
Added to that- tried to sprint the length of the field to give out to the ref at the time of the penalty. Decent ref would have booked him for that.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
I've read comments from Donegal fans that it was Forker driving the nonsense with Murphy.
In this place, it's always the fault of Murphy, or Ryan McHugh or whichever other player from the opposition.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.
Would take winning an AI in an empty stadium rather than having my supporters boo the opposition after winning a 2 games back to back after 8 years.
No point defending it. Booing isn't right in gaelic football, if you want to do that go watch a soccer game.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
I've read comments from Donegal fans that it was Forker driving the nonsense with Murphy.
In this place, it's always the fault of Murphy, or Ryan McHugh or whichever other player from the opposition.
In all fairness I'm sure both lads were at it. Always a great battle with those 2. Absolute warrior the pair of them
Watch the game on TV, Armagh 18, Armagh lad called a mark, Murphy came hard at him from behind as there was no whistle as it was not a mark, Murphy brought the arm round to try tackle the ball. As for Murphy, he get pushed, insulted most games against near all teams, but he can give it and take it. He def could picked up a 2nd yellow though.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
I've read comments from Donegal fans that it was Forker driving the nonsense with Murphy.
In this place, it's always the fault of Murphy, or Ryan McHugh or whichever other player from the opposition.
In all fairness I'm sure both lads were at it. Always a great battle with those 2. Absolute warrior the pair of them
Well that's what I would have thought. Murphy has been getting dog's abuse from defenders his whole career. And he plays very close to the edge himself at times too when tackling.
And yes, I thought he was lucky to get away with throwing his feet at Forker.
I don't like booing myself. It's not part of the GAA culture. In the same way that sledging, goading, diving etc don't sit well with many.
When Armagh supporters are getting a bit of flak here it usually means the team must be doing well. Terms like 'buckfast brigade' and 'apple munchers' bring back warm, happy memories for me.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.
Would take winning an AI in an empty stadium rather than having my supporters boo the opposition after winning a 2 games back to back after 8 years.
No point defending it. Booing isn't right in gaelic football, if you want to do that go watch a soccer game.
I assume you tell that to your own fans also?
The booing yesterday was disappointing and unfortunately it's dominating the talk when the 1st half yesterday was incredibly enjoyable from a neutral point of view. It was clear on the TV that Murphy was being booed when kicking frees and any wides he hit cheered. Also thought Rafferty was being booed for some reason. Would need to watch it back again.
On the game itself the 1st half was incredible. Armagh could have been dead and buried only for the 10 second goal. Donegal came at them like a train after it but Armagh did exceptionally well to weather that purple patch and take control of the game.
It was crazy stuff from Patton pulling Nugent down, he just completely panicked. Penalty from R'ON was exceptional. Great player he's up there with the best in the country.
Armagh controlled the second half well and never gave Donegal a sniff of momentum. They'll be more than a handful for Galway. I just hope they come out and go for like yesterday.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.
Would take winning an AI in an empty stadium rather than having my supporters boo the opposition after winning a 2 games back to back after 8 years.
No point defending it. Booing isn't right in gaelic football, if you want to do that go watch a soccer game.
I assume you tell that to your own fans also?
Absolutely. Hate booing altogether. One of the best things about the gaa is that fans can mix in a stadium and not be segregated like soccer. We should all appreciate the skill involved and not have constant booing of players.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.
Would take winning an AI in an empty stadium rather than having my supporters boo the opposition after winning a 2 games back to back after 8 years.
No point defending it. Booing isn't right in gaelic football, if you want to do that go watch a soccer game.
I assume you tell that to your own fans also?
Absolutely. Hate booing altogether. One of the best things about the gaa is that fans can mix in a stadium and not be segregated like soccer. We should all appreciate the skill involved and not have constant booing of players.
Only a matter of time until the GAA come together and agree to put Armagh fans in a cattle pen.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 12, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.
You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.
A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.
In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.
I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.
Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.
Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.
I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.
Would take winning an AI in an empty stadium rather than having my supporters boo the opposition after winning a 2 games back to back after 8 years.
No point defending it. Booing isn't right in gaelic football, if you want to do that go watch a soccer game.
I assume you tell that to your own fans also?
Absolutely. Hate booing altogether. One of the best things about the gaa is that fans can mix in a stadium and not be segregated like soccer. We should all appreciate the skill involved and not have constant booing of players.
Only a matter of time until the GAA come together and agree to put Armagh fans in a cattle pen.
as far as i remember they discussed doing that a few years ago with Tyrone fans, but turned out a good dose of Ivermectin sorted the most of them
Things back to normal again now after all the pleasantries last week. 😆
Good to see.
Donegal fans must be raging, a gutless performance. They always fail in the big tests. Armagh this year, Tyrone last year and then Cavan the year before. I'm afraid it is the Donegal of old. No heart for the battle.
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Things back to normal again now after all the pleasantries last week. 😆
Good to see.
Yeah last week was strange alright. ;) I'm sure you Tyrone men will be supporting ourselves and Derry in the quarters.
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2022, 09:38:36 AM
Donegal fans must be raging, a gutless performance. They always fail in the big tests. Armagh this year, Tyrone last year and then Cavan the year before. I'm afraid it is the Donegal of old. No heart for the battle.
I wouldn't count Tyrone last year to be honest. They battled really well considering Murphy missed the pen and was then sent off. Everyone says you take Murphy out of it and the team are nowhere, but considering the heat and everything they were excellent in that game until Tyrone pulled away in the final 10/15.
But to be honest we've never had a problem getting up for the battle against Tyrone. It's everything else we fail at. Sure even in 2020 we had a mighty battle with Tyrone in a storm in Ballybofey which we came out on top in, and then we go ahead and lose to Cavan. And in terms of finals, forget about it. I can't remember the last really tight game we won as a final. The two we've won under Bonner were blowouts.
I don't know what it is. Are players intimidated by Murphy and think that everything has to go through him? Are they content to wait for him to be the one to lead them through when things are tight? If he is being held, are they afraid to stand up?
Looking at those recent games, and I'd include a game like Mayo in the league down in Sligo this year, we're fine if the other team stands off and let's us play. Its when they press up and bring the physical stuff that we seem to shirk the challenge, as if we're not used to it or ready for it. Sunday's game was changing even before Patton's mistakes. In the previous few minutes Armagh had really started to pressure Donegal on the kickouts, winning several in a row in the middle of the field. Which is obviously why Patton tried to go short, which Armagh were also ready for. In the earlier part of the game, we were winning everything in midfield, which left us able to move the ball quickly to men in space who were then able to take handy scores, even from distance. Once Armagh got to grips with us on the kickouts, that space was gone.
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Donegal fans must be raging, a gutless performance. They always fail in the big tests. Armagh this year, Tyrone last year and then Cavan the year before. I'm afraid it is the Donegal of old. No heart for the battle.
I wouldn't count Tyrone last year to be honest. They battled really well considering Murphy missed the pen and was then sent off. Everyone says you take Murphy out of it and the team are nowhere, but considering the heat and everything they were excellent in that game until Tyrone pulled away in the final 10/15.
But to be honest we've never had a problem getting up for the battle against Tyrone. It's everything else we fail at. Sure even in 2020 we had a mighty battle with Tyrone in a storm in Ballybofey which we came out on top in, and then we go ahead and lose to Cavan. And in terms of finals, forget about it. I can't remember the last really tight game we won as a final. The two we've won under Bonner were blowouts.
Was it 2018 Tyrone went up and pulled them apart in Super 8 game. I'm telling you it's the Donegal of old without the drink. They should just go out and get smashed at least they could blame that rather than their heartless attitude. McBreaty's entitlement at being taken off speaks volumes. Bonner has taken them backwards.
Surprised not more discussion about McBrearty and Patton on the subs bench.
It looked like a proper blame game and McBrearty told him to go F##k himself or something like that
Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.
Patton didn't do anything wrong.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.
Patton didn't do anything wrong.
That's what I thought. The kick outs were fine. They went to their target.
Maybe it was the penalty but many's a keeper would have pulled the forward down or attempted to drag him down. The forward was falling anyway.
Maybe he was given out about Patton going short twice in a row or something?
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.
Patton didn't do anything wrong.
That's what I thought. The kick outs were fine. They went to their target.
Maybe it was the penalty but many's a keeper would have pulled the forward down or attempted to drag him down. The forward was falling anyway.
Maybe he was given out about Patton going short twice in a row or something?
as far as i remember we'd won the last couple of breaks at that point when he went long so he had to make a change. .
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 14, 2022, 05:36:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.
Patton didn't do anything wrong.
That's what I thought. The kick outs were fine. They went to their target.
Maybe it was the penalty but many's a keeper would have pulled the forward down or attempted to drag him down. The forward was falling anyway.
Maybe he was given out about Patton going short twice in a row or something?
as far as i remember we'd won the last couple of breaks at that point when he went long so he had to make a change. .
But going short is a far bigger risk than going long...as was seen from what happened.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.
Patton didn't do anything wrong.
I disagree. Given the letoff with the Campbell miss, that one that led to the penalty/black card should have been hammered down the field.
And its not like he didn't have previous evidence to go on.
The two late points that leveled the Ulster Final came from the exact same thing, with Stephen McMenamin arguably fortunate to get off with only a yellow for the pull on McGuigan. Similar f**king around at the end of the league game against Mayo earlier this year.
I accept that its not his blame alone, but he is the one who decides where the kicks are going. For the other of the three short kickouts in that sequence on Sunday that ended with the penalty and black card, Brendan McCole barely escaped the Armagh forwards pressing in on top of him. Patton should have known that it was the wrong option.
Hopefully he learns from it and becomes a top class keeper. Paul Durcan before him made plenty of mistakes early in his Donegal career, but ended up arguably our best ever keeper.
Quote from: J70 on June 14, 2022, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.
Patton didn't do anything wrong.
I disagree. Given the letoff with the Campbell miss, that one that led to the penalty/black card should have been hammered down the field.
And its not like he didn't have previous evidence to go on.
The two late points that leveled the Ulster Final came from the exact same thing, with Stephen McMenamin arguably fortunate to get off with only a yellow for the pull on McGuigan. Similar f**king around at the end of the league game against Mayo earlier this year.
I accept that its not his blame alone, but he is the one who decides where the kicks are going. For the other of the three short kickouts in that sequence on Sunday that ended with the penalty and black card, Brendan McCole barely escaped the Armagh forwards pressing in on top of him. Patton should have known that it was the wrong option.
Hopefully he learns from it and becomes a top class keeper. Paul Durcan before him made plenty of mistakes early in his Donegal career, but ended up arguably our best ever keeper.
If in both cases the defender holds onto the ball there is no issue at all. Its only an issue due to mishandling by the defender. He if holds on then Donegal can build an attack, if patton goes long and Armagh win it then the long ball is coming straight back towards his own goal. No win situation really for him and again I am no fan of his.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2022, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 14, 2022, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.
Patton didn't do anything wrong.
I disagree. Given the letoff with the Campbell miss, that one that led to the penalty/black card should have been hammered down the field.
And its not like he didn't have previous evidence to go on.
The two late points that leveled the Ulster Final came from the exact same thing, with Stephen McMenamin arguably fortunate to get off with only a yellow for the pull on McGuigan. Similar f**king around at the end of the league game against Mayo earlier this year.
I accept that its not his blame alone, but he is the one who decides where the kicks are going. For the other of the three short kickouts in that sequence on Sunday that ended with the penalty and black card, Brendan McCole barely escaped the Armagh forwards pressing in on top of him. Patton should have known that it was the wrong option.
Hopefully he learns from it and becomes a top class keeper. Paul Durcan before him made plenty of mistakes early in his Donegal career, but ended up arguably our best ever keeper.
If in both cases the defender holds onto the ball there is no issue at all. Its only an issue due to mishandling by the defender. He if holds on then Donegal can build an attack, if patton goes long and Armagh win it then the long ball is coming straight back towards his own goal. No win situation really for him and again I am no fan of his.
We'll agree to disagree. Sometimes you just have to choose the better of two bad options. At best, even if they'd held onto the ball, which they fumbled due to the pressure from Armagh, they'd have had a difficult lay off, or might even have coughed it up any through over carrying. I doubt if either player even wanted the ball. There's a reason McBrearty went through him on the bench.
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2022, 02:42:32 PM
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Donegal fans must be raging, a gutless performance. They always fail in the big tests. Armagh this year, Tyrone last year and then Cavan the year before. I'm afraid it is the Donegal of old. No heart for the battle.
I wouldn't count Tyrone last year to be honest. They battled really well considering Murphy missed the pen and was then sent off. Everyone says you take Murphy out of it and the team are nowhere, but considering the heat and everything they were excellent in that game until Tyrone pulled away in the final 10/15.
But to be honest we've never had a problem getting up for the battle against Tyrone. It's everything else we fail at. Sure even in 2020 we had a mighty battle with Tyrone in a storm in Ballybofey which we came out on top in, and then we go ahead and lose to Cavan. And in terms of finals, forget about it. I can't remember the last really tight game we won as a final. The two we've won under Bonner were blowouts.
Was it 2018 Tyrone went up and pulled them apart in Super 8 game. I'm telling you it's the Donegal of old without the drink. They should just go out and get smashed at least they could blame that rather than their heartless attitude. McBreaty's entitlement at being taken off speaks volumes. Bonner has taken them backwards.
2018 Tyrone blew us away yeah, we were well on top (I think we were 5 points up going in to the 60th minute or something) and Tyrone had a black card as well, yet scored something crazy like 2-8 in the last 15 minutes to win it. We chalked that down to the first year under new management and a lot of young lads in the squad at the time. I remember we lost Odhrán MacNiallis to injury that day and he was playing great.
I actually think Bonner was a bit unlucky in those first 2 years. 2018 we lost Paddy McBrearty to a cruciate and he was in absolutely sensational form that year, probably the best he has ever played for us. The Super 8s was a terrible system where winning Ulster got us zero benefit either year in the All-Ireland series. Any other year we'd have been sitting waiting for a qualifier in the quarter finals, but with that system we're in a group with Dublin & Tyrone and then Kerry & Mayo. At the end of the day we still failed, but I always felt the people who throw "no semi final" at Bonner miss that bit - I think any other manager who won Ulster with Donegal would be pretty likely to get to the semi final in the normal system.
But that's excuses as some would say. Since 2019 it hasn't been good. I think the 2020 Ulster final defeat must have left a significant mark on the squad. It was a huge opportunity to reach an All-Ireland semi-final and test ourselves against the Dubs in Croke Park. But we didn't have it in us against Cavan. Beginning of the end in my view.
One thing I'll say about the Armagh match is that I have been critical of the likes of McBrearty, McHugh and even Murphy in these key matches where we've lost. They've all been well shackled at different points and not shown up. But they brought the fight on Sunday, it was the supporting cast that really really let us down.
On Patton, I would say it's a shared blame between him and the outfield players. We had gotten out of jail and maybe he shouldn't hit it short, but one of the key things that you want in a keeper is to stay calm even in those situations. So don't just lump it long because you want rid, you look at your options and pick the best one. However when you look back at it, it was definitely the wrong option. McCole is coming toward goal and I think it's EBG who is moving wide on that side. Ward and OMFF are both moving away from goal. So really it's just McCole in the central area with 3 Armagh forwards converging on him. McCole should hold onto it but even if he does, he'll get swallowed up and at the very least give up a free for overcarrying if he's not turned over.
But at the end of the day, both OMFF and McCole should have held onto the ball. They both spilled it. And if there are options out the field you know Patton is capable and would want to take them. So I'd say it's a team failure, but without a doubt Patton takes on most of the blame. Armagh were definitely in the ascendency at the point though, They'd gotten the previous 5 points I think it was.
The one in the Ulster final I thought was another bad decision. But I think people criticising him so harshly forget how he's saved us so much this year as well. He made an unbelievable save against Cavan and to be honest if that goes in I don't know if we come back. He also made some big saves against Armagh the first day out and another against Derry.
Mc Geeney must be in the Armagh job now for 5 or 6 years?
What this shows, in a way, is that the benefit of allowing a manager time in the job to develop and mould a team.
Mightn't have been plain sailing all the time - he has had his ups and downs but he's had time to build (has his critics also)a panel of good players.
Fair to say now that Armagh are a Div. 1 team, top 8 team at least and are capable of building on this year and pushing on. No doubt about that.
Maybe there's a lesson in this for other county boards instead of the one of two year fix, then move them on and start again.
Quote from: marty34 on June 15, 2022, 11:16:08 AM
Mc Geeney must be in the Armagh job now for 5 or 6 years?
What this shows, in a way, is that the benefit of allowing a manager time in the job to develop and mould a team.
Mightn't have been plain sailing all the time - he has had his ups and downs but he's had time to build (has his critics also)a panel of good players.
Fair to say now that Armagh are a Div. 1 team, top 8 team at least and are capable of building on this year and pushing on. No doubt about that.
Maybe there's a lesson in this for other county boards instead of the one of two year fix, then move them on and start again.
As far as I remember he was Grimleys number 2 in 2014 when Donegal beat us by a point in the Quarter Final and has been in charge since 2015. Been plenty of low points and plenty within the county were looking him gone and various stages, including myself at times I will admit.
Fair play though he is reaping the rewards now, he has 100% commitment and buy in from all the lads too.
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 15, 2022, 10:19:43 AM
On Patton, I would say it's a shared blame between him and the outfield players. We had gotten out of jail and maybe he shouldn't hit it short, but one of the key things that you want in a keeper is to stay calm even in those situations. So don't just lump it long because you want rid, you look at your options and pick the best one. However when you look back at it, it was definitely the wrong option. McCole is coming toward goal and I think it's EBG who is moving wide on that side. Ward and OMFF are both moving away from goal. So really it's just McCole in the central area with 3 Armagh forwards converging on him. McCole should hold onto it but even if he does, he'll get swallowed up and at the very least give up a free for overcarrying if he's not turned over.
But at the end of the day, both OMFF and McCole should have held onto the ball. They both spilled it. And if there are options out the field you know Patton is capable and would want to take them. So I'd say it's a team failure, but without a doubt Patton takes on most of the blame. Armagh were definitely in the ascendency at the point though, They'd gotten the previous 5 points I think it was.
The one in the Ulster final I thought was another bad decision. But I think people criticising him so harshly forget how he's saved us so much this year as well. He made an unbelievable save against Cavan and to be honest if that goes in I don't know if we come back. He also made some big saves against Armagh the first day out and another against Derry.
It's a kick you see a lot but I've always thought it's more high risk than people think. The receiving player can't see the danger behind him and if you do lose it the ball is heading towards the goals. If you do get swallowed up you can't go back to the keeper either any more.
Kevin McStay on OTB was saying he coaches defenders in that position to not hold on to the ball if running back towards your own goal. Just lay it off straightaway to the keeper. You're unsighted and if you try to turn round, bang, you're hit and the ball's dropped.
Quote from: Armamike on June 15, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
Kevin McStay on OTB was saying he coaches defenders in that position to not hold on to the ball if running back towards your own goal. Just lay it off straightaway to the keeper. You're unsighted and if you try to turn round, bang, you're hit and the ball's dropped.
Can't give it back to the keeper from a kickout. It can't be underestimated how much pressure the Armagh forwards were putting the defenders under. I know we always worked hard on tackling the defenders coming out as generally there was at least 1 was 'weak' on the ball and either fumbled or over carried. Always chances of a goal....
I suppose for any player taking a short kickout, they should be running onto the ball at speed to avoid the chance of getting caught in the tackle if they win it clean. The biggest issue with Pattons kickout was it was central, the fumble allowed for more options for the Armagh players when attacking the goal. Had the ball been fumbled out on the sideline the Armagh players would have had a tougher time working a goal.
Quote from: Armamike on June 15, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
Kevin McStay on OTB was saying he coaches defenders in that position to not hold on to the ball if running back towards your own goal. Just lay it off straightaway to the keeper. You're unsighted and if you try to turn round, bang, you're hit and the ball's dropped.
Very strange I heard him say but nearly sure your not allowed to pass it back to the keeper anymore but he defo should have anyway prob would have been a free but....
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I suppose for any player taking a short kickout, they should be running onto the ball at speed to avoid the chance of getting caught in the tackle if they win it clean. The biggest issue with Pattons kickout was it was central, the fumble allowed for more options for the Armagh players when attacking the goal. Had the ball been fumbled out on the sideline the Armagh players would have had a tougher time working a goal.
The big issue when they are coming at speed is if the kick is slightly off, it comes at you very quick and it's harder to adjust your run. Plus that bit harder to put the ball into the path of the run for the keeper. With more teams pushing up it's going to get riskier.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 16, 2022, 03:27:10 PM
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I suppose for any player taking a short kickout, they should be running onto the ball at speed to avoid the chance of getting caught in the tackle if they win it clean. The biggest issue with Pattons kickout was it was central, the fumble allowed for more options for the Armagh players when attacking the goal. Had the ball been fumbled out on the sideline the Armagh players would have had a tougher time working a goal.
The big issue when they are coming at speed is if the kick is slightly off, it comes at you very quick and it's harder to adjust your run. Plus that bit harder to put the ball into the path of the run for the keeper. With more teams pushing up it's going to get riskier.
In the Ulster championship game Donegal got a lot of joy round midfield from forcing Armagh into longer kickouts. Surely they should have been happy to launch it longer? But a different game I suppose.
Quote from: Armamike on June 16, 2022, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 16, 2022, 03:27:10 PM
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I suppose for any player taking a short kickout, they should be running onto the ball at speed to avoid the chance of getting caught in the tackle if they win it clean. The biggest issue with Pattons kickout was it was central, the fumble allowed for more options for the Armagh players when attacking the goal. Had the ball been fumbled out on the sideline the Armagh players would have had a tougher time working a goal.
The big issue when they are coming at speed is if the kick is slightly off, it comes at you very quick and it's harder to adjust your run. Plus that bit harder to put the ball into the path of the run for the keeper. With more teams pushing up it's going to get riskier.
In the Ulster championship game Donegal got a lot of joy round midfield from forcing Armagh into longer kickouts. Surely they should have been happy to launch it longer? But a different game I suppose.
I haven't watched it back (and probably won't ;D), so I'm not exactly sure what changed in terms of tactics, but the whole reason Patton started the short ones was that Armagh had just got on top in the middle of the field over the previous five minutes. Donegal won everything for the first 25 minutes, but then it was like someone flicked a switch and Armagh were cleaning up.
Patton should have just hammered a few up to the Armagh 45. He's well capable of it. At least the team has time to set then if they lose it.
Quote from: Armamike on June 15, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
Kevin McStay on OTB was saying he coaches defenders in that position to not hold on to the ball if running back towards your own goal. Just lay it off straightaway to the keeper. You're unsighted and if you try to turn round, bang, you're hit and the ball's dropped.
McStay was well out of date on that comment, surprised no one corrected him at the time.
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2022, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 16, 2022, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 16, 2022, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay linkb][/b]=topic=30847.msg2131555#msg2131555 date=1655302824]
I suppose for any player taking a short kickout, they should be running onto the ball at speed to avoid the chance of getting caught in the tackle if they win it clean. The biggest issue with Pattons kickout was it was central, the fumble allowed for more options for the Armagh players when attacking the goal. Had the ball been fumbled out on the sideline the Armagh players would have had a tougher time working a goal.
The big issue when they are coming at speed is if the kick is slightly off, it comes at you very quick and it's harder to adjust your run. Plus that bit harder to put the ball into the path of the run for the keeper. With more teams pushing up it's going to get riskier.
In the Ulster championship game Donegal got a lot of joy round midfield from forcing Armagh into longer kickouts. Surely they should have been happy to launch it longer? But a different game I suppose.
I haven't watched it back (and probably won't ;D), so I'm not exactly sure what changed in terms of tactics, but the whole reason Patton started the short ones was that Armagh had just got on top in the middle of the field over the previous five minutes. Donegal won everything for the first 25 minutes, but then it was like someone flicked a switch and Armagh were cleaning up.
Patton should have just hammered a few up to the Armagh 45. He's well capable of it. At least the team has time to set then if they lose it.
Yeah I think Murnin or Soupy had won a kick out for us and we'd been first to a couple of break balls just before the short kickouts if I remember rightly. Surely after almost getting caught out with one short you'd go long the next one or two just to be safe.