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I cancelled my insurance with AXA this year and so did lots of people worldwide. This is the result, so as helpless as we might feel to make a difference we can. Check out BDS movement list of companies who invest and supply illegal settlements in Israel you will be shocked.

and strangely the US/Uk have tried to ban this peaceful form is protest

Looks like two gunmen active in Tel Aviv.

for anyone who does want to know and didn't see my previous posts where I advised this.
 
Hamas released a paper on the resistence operation so no need to speculate on motivation.....

I also advised that Hamas offered to release all hostages in the first week if there was no ground invasion... a strange tactic for someone that wanted a ground invasion!!!

A hostage negotiator for Israel released this info to an Israeli newspaper

edit: as pointed out in later posts by others, civilian hostages.

wtf are you eejits doing engaging with and giving attention to the racist little troll?

you are right, you try and be helpful and answer questions for poster even if you completely disagree with the ideology but if they cannot comprehend or ignore all available evidence to still spout the same nonsense just in capitals now... they are best ignored!!

Whitey has what he wants anyway. Trying to keep the chat on Hamas than taking a look at any of Israel's actions. Despite the fact, that they are not comparable. Job done 🇺🇸

TrueBlue-the questions which no one here can or will answer are:

What did Hamas hope to accomplish by the attack on October 7th?

What exactly did they think the Israeli response would be?

Hamas (from my vantage point anyway) we're looking for provoke Israel into a ground invasion which in turn would provide them (Hamas) with a propaganda victory

The problem is that Hamas underestimated Israel's resolve

They created this and drew it upon their own population

Israel's resolve?? That's one of the most disgusting comments I've seen on the board. That resolve that you are keen to put on a pedestal has killed countless men, woman and children. We all know 7th Oct wasn't the start of the war. I know no one who celebrated what Hamas did that day. But you are determined to use that day as a justification of what followed. And again I find that disgusting.

So again....two very simple and straightforward questions and you can't/answer them

Israel response is exactly what one would have expected. Absolutely zero surprise....ZERO!

Yet Hamas somehow felt this was worth risking??

Makes no sense

your question has been answer by numerous times, so basic comprehension is an issue or you are just trolling at this , what a sad life Jane!

The Biggest lie of the Israel Facade is the changing of family surmanes.

Mileikowsky is Netanyahu's real surname.

David Grün is David Ben-Gurion's real surname.

Look them up. They hail from Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Hungary......

A countless number of these Eastern Europeans changed their names to facilitate the mirage that these people are auld stock from Israel.

I'm not sure why you think this is an issue? Embracing & reviving their culture (that Hitler tried to eradicatefrom the face of the earth), there was a Hebrew language revival too, bit like the original Gaelic League in Ireland.

the issue...settler colonialism,  revising ones cultures at the expense and on the graves of another...

Bottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.

In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace

Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad

I won't have enough time or space on this thread to go through isreals but it started with 750,000 ethic cleansed in the nakba, all those denied their international right to return still, the massarces have continued and occupation for 75 years..

it's absolutely hilarious you telling me to read history, you haven't a clue, all you know is what you are fed by Israeli hasbara and you haven't the smarts to realise it...

I support armed resistence against occupation in line with International law..but would rather peace...but palesitinan have tried this and israeli continues murdering.. iwill never support an occupier and the occupation is the cause, and palestinans continue to suffer as a result.

you are an apartheid Israeli apologist, those who have occupied Palestine for over 75 year and currently competing a genocide to sit along side all its other massacres

What a pile of nonsense

There was a real chance of peace in 2005/2006 when the Israelis withdrew and evicted the settlers but Hamas choose conflict....first with Fatah and then again with the Israelis

With the singing of the Abraham Accord (under Trump) there was, once again, a real chance of a path forward, but once again Hamas couldn't handle that

They were becoming insignificant in the grand scale of things, and decided to provoke the Israelis into a massive ground war without one iota of concern or  for their own civilian population

the withdrawal was nothing to do with peace but an attempt to cage Palestinians in Gaza and therefore claim that Israeli were save...

hamas won an election which the west ignored and led to internal conflict with Fateh in Gaza and the West Bank..

the abrahna accords were us and israeli method of isolating Palestine and nothing to do with peace or ending the siege on Gaza.

I've debunked your stupid claims of wanting a ground invasion at least 3 times now... you are like bib li at the UN spouting lie after lie in the hope some of it will stick...

as usual you ignore any question I ask.. and before you ask for what it is... Read back through the last few posts...

So following your logic, you must be have been supportive of the Continuity IRA/Real IRA's decision to set off the Omagh Bomb

Interesting

that's not following my logic but I'm not surprised you are having trouble understanding when you are filled with US/Israeli hasbara

Bottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.

In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace

Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad

I won't have enough time or space on this thread to go through isreals but it started with 750,000 ethic cleansed in the nakba, all those denied their international right to return still, the massarces have continued and occupation for 75 years..

it's absolutely hilarious you telling me to read history, you haven't a clue, all you know is what you are fed by Israeli hasbara and you haven't the smarts to realise it...

I support armed resistence against occupation in line with International law..but would rather peace...but palesitinan have tried this and israeli continues murdering.. iwill never support an occupier and the occupation is the cause, and palestinans continue to suffer as a result.

you are an apartheid Israeli apologist, those who have occupied Palestine for over 75 year and currently competing a genocide to sit along side all its other massacres

What a pile of nonsense

There was a real chance of peace in 2005/2006 when the Israelis withdrew and evicted the settlers but Hamas choose conflict....first with Fatah and then again with the Israelis

With the singing of the Abraham Accord (under Trump) there was, once again, a real chance of a path forward, but once again Hamas couldn't handle that

They were becoming insignificant in the grand scale of things, and decided to provoke the Israelis into a massive ground war without one iota of concern or  for their own civilian population

the withdrawal was nothing to do with peace but an attempt to cage Palestinians in Gaza and therefore claim that Israeli were save...

hamas won an election which the west ignored and led to internal conflict with Fateh in Gaza and the West Bank..

the abrahna accords were us and israeli method of isolating Palestine and nothing to do with peace or ending the siege on Gaza.

I've debunked your stupid claims of wanting a ground invasion at least 3 times now... you are like bib li at the UN spouting lie after lie in the hope some of it will stick...

as usual you ignore any question I ask.. and before you ask for what it is... Read back through the last few posts...

Bottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.

In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace

Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad

I won't have enough time or space on this thread to go through isreals but it started with 750,000 ethic cleansed in the nakba, all those denied their international right to return still, the massarces have continued and occupation for 75 years..

it's absolutely hilarious you telling me to read history, you haven't a clue, all you know is what you are fed by Israeli hasbara and you haven't the smarts to realise it...

I support armed resistence against occupation in line with International law..but would rather peace...but palesitinan have tried this and israeli continues murdering.. iwill never support an occupier and the occupation is the cause, and palestinans continue to suffer as a result.

you are an apartheid Israeli apologist, those who have occupied Palestine for over 75 year and currently competing a genocide to sit along side all its other massacres

Bottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.

In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace

Madness.

Putin is portrayed as Hitler reincarnated, yet Netanyahu is doing basically the same and all is good.

Not even close to 'the same' but I get your point about Cuntenyahu. To think that cnut got over 40 standing ovations when he spoke to Congress back in August should tell you something about who runs the game.

Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022-2024

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 35,160 civilian casualties during Russia's invasion of Ukraine as of July 31, 2024. Of them, 23,640 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.

The Israelis are friends & allies of the west as they are largely part of western culture, they are a bulwark against all sorts of shite in the middle east (imsgined & real), that is why they are feted, not because they're Jews and run the world

what utter shite... Western culture or at least the people do not support genocide and occupation, Israel is the cause of not a bulwark against issues in the middle east. Zionists and their supporters be they Jewish or Christian have a stranglehold over the US and Uk and Germans at least, 3 of them more powerful countries in the world.

Explain to me the reasons why the west is beholden to Israel.

firstly, same question back at you.

historicaly, there was and there continues to be a strong zionist lobby, (again zionists is not code for Jew), there are other reasons, like holocaust guilt, cold War politics, US foreign policy and interference in the middle east and needing bases and puppet there.

however, to dismiss that mossad and shin bet after what has be proven they are capable are also influencing US and other polications just isn't credible In my opinion given what we have witnessed over the past 11 months.

[Western culture or at least the people do not support genocide and occupation]

Madness.

Putin is portrayed as Hitler reincarnated, yet Netanyahu is doing basically the same and all is good.

Not even close to 'the same' but I get your point about Cuntenyahu. To think that cnut got over 40 standing ovations when he spoke to Congress back in August should tell you something about who runs the game.

Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022-2024

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 35,160 civilian casualties during Russia's invasion of Ukraine as of July 31, 2024. Of them, 23,640 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.

The Israelis are friends & allies of the west as they are largely part of western culture, they are a bulwark against all sorts of shite in the middle east (imsgined & real), that is why they are feted, not because they're Jews and run the world

what utter shite... Western culture or at least the people do not support genocide and occupation, Israel is the cause of not a bulwark against issues in the middle east. Zionists and their supporters be they Jewish or Christian have a stranglehold over the US and Uk and Germans at least, 3 of them more powerful countries in the world.

Does that  really  matter at the end of the day?  Millions of us  can't,  and  won't , be able to do diddly squat about  Netanyahu and his murderous regime.

apparently not, but we are not friends and allies of Israel and their genocidal ways are not western culture or at least shouldn't be

Bottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.

Madness.

Putin is portrayed as Hitler reincarnated, yet Netanyahu is doing basically the same and all is good.

Not even close to 'the same' but I get your point about Cuntenyahu. To think that cnut got over 40 standing ovations when he spoke to Congress back in August should tell you something about who runs the game.

Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022-2024

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 35,160 civilian casualties during Russia's invasion of Ukraine as of July 31, 2024. Of them, 23,640 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.

The Israelis are friends & allies of the west as they are largely part of western culture, they are a bulwark against all sorts of shite in the middle east (imsgined & real), that is why they are feted, not because they're Jews and run the world

what utter shite... Western culture or at least the people do not support genocide and occupation, Israel is the cause of not a bulwark against issues in the middle east. Zionists and their supporters be they Jewish or Christian have a stranglehold over the US and Uk and Germans at least, 3 of them more powerful countries in the world.

Bottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!