All Ireland club football championships 2023/24

[Armagh18]

You said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.

That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives

Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival

Having teams play their natural level based on their league standings can only raise the levels within the county

And reduce the amount of times teams from Kerry win for starters.

Yes, I get the whole reason why Arva are in it, and I never joined in on this argument. But leaving it down to individual counties to set the rules when entering competitions is up to them, but when it moves into the provincial stage it should be a fairer set up

I agree with this. I do like the Armagh set up - I may be bias - but I think it is generally fair. Cullyhanna were an aberration this year as they are basically a senior team but due to circumstances the last couple of years were relegated to 2A - basically division 3 - so were an intermediate club

I like it too. Only change would be to go back to knock out championship instead of groups.

Said it a thousand times before but Cullyhanna deserved to go down, but when they did they got their act together and will be one of the too senior clubs come championship time next year.

There's maybe an argument that our lower level senior clubs could and should be intermediate and some lower intermediate clubs could and should be junior. Would leave us more competitive maybe at provincial level if we went 12 senior, 12 intermediate and 12 junior with the remainder junior b and it would give the weaker junior clubs a chance at a championship.

[intheknowhow]

What teams that played/won their championships and played in league two of their counties?

Seems nowadays that clubs much prefer to hang back, or drop down to get a run at a provincial championship or all Ireland run

Needs to be looked at in Croke park, if a club wants to drop down and win their county championship in either intermediate or Junior they can't be playing div one football and then represent the county, it should be a div 2 team for intermediate and a div 3 or 4 for junior

You'd soon see a lot of teams cutting their cloth differently

Can't say I've ever heard a club or players say they want to go down to get a run at a championship in a lower grade. From my own experience lads hate getting relegated.

If they are relegated then they are playing div 2 surely?

My idea is that if you are div 2 you play intermediate if you are playing in div 1 you can play intermediate but you'll not represent your county in the provincial series and beyond.

Has some merit, but I think some posters on here are making far too much of this.
As someone else said, everyone wants to play at the highest level they can, arva have never won a cavan championship before, there are 26 teams above them in championship in Cavan. They are playing junior because for whatever reason they lost last year's junior final, the team who beat them, drumlane had a middling intermediate campaign (despite only losing the Ulster junior final on pens last year).
Of course there's going to be differences in standards between counties, especially since there are so many different systems in place. Some counties have 16 teams per championship, some have 8. It seems that most are now moving from the direct league and championship link, so that will probably even things a bit. But at the end of the day, if you're in junior or intermediate, you're unlikely to be a Dublin super club and a run to an all Ireland final is going to be great for the local community and it might spark a revival of interest, standards and provide memories and stories for years to come!

Would linking it not even it?

[imtommygunn]

The split seasons screws the leagues up with county player unavailability, especially for smaller clubs, so the league rankings are not going to be a true reflection.

Antrim are currently trying to push through championship relegation as opposed to league position. Same will happen across the board I would say.

[intheknowhow]

The split seasons screws the leagues up with county player unavailability, especially for smaller clubs, so the league rankings are not going to be a true reflection.

Antrim are currently trying to push through championship relegation as opposed to league position. Same will happen across the board I would say.

Just have relegation playoffs with co players. In Monaghan bottom of the league plays the 2nd bottom of relegation group from championship.

[Rossfan]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

[intheknowhow]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?

[seafoid]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

It's not just th'oul league. It is everything.If 2 flies were on a window and one of them was a Derry or Armagh wan it would be no different.

[JoG2]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Prefer to put value on all games, and not having club players training for 7 months before playing a game with any value attached

[trueblue1234]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

I'd say the rest wouldn't like to be grouped with you.

[Rossfan]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?

The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.

[ranch]

You said in one sentence that everyone wants to be playing at the highest level, then at the finish a run at an all Ireland would provide a spark or a revival, generating an interest and memories.

That's why I said clubs look at these competitions with a possibility of playing at levels ( from the outside) well above other counties representatives

Viewing it as a spark/memories/revival

Having teams play their natural level based on their league standings can only raise the levels within the county

And reduce the amount of times teams from Kerry win for starters.

Yes, I get the whole reason why Arva are in it, and I never joined in on this argument. But leaving it down to individual counties to set the rules when entering competitions is up to them, but when it moves into the provincial stage it should be a fairer set up

I agree with this. I do like the Armagh set up - I may be bias - but I think it is generally fair. Cullyhanna were an aberration this year as they are basically a senior team but due to circumstances the last couple of years were relegated to 2A - basically division 3 - so were an intermediate club

 I'm also from Armagh and have the complete opposite opinion. I don't like how closely linked the league and championship are, especially the seeding system we also apply when doing the draw for the group stages.

[intheknowhow]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?

The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.

That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?

[Milltown Row2]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?

The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.

That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?

Like in Kerry?

[Rossfan]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?

The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.

That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?

It's highly unlikely any of the Junior Clubs'1st teams would ever get that high up the Leagues.
A D1 team might win Inter once in a while alright if they'd only lost Senior status the year before.

But there's no formal link between the Leagues and Championships.

[intheknowhow]

Ulster Counties seem to be big into Leagues and getting their knickers into a twist over them.
The rest of us know "it's only th'oul League"

Would you Intermediate and junior champs come from lower or higher divisions?

The League Divisions would mostly mirror the Championship Grades.

That's fine then. What would your opinion be if your 3 champ winners came from Div 1?

It's highly unlikely any of the Junior Clubs'1st teams would ever get that high up the Leagues.
A D1 team might win Inter once in a while alright if they'd only lost Senior status the year before.

But there's no formal link between the Leagues and Championships.

Happened in Cavan this year..