Hurling 2022

Started by Dag Dog, January 17, 2022, 02:42:55 PM

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yellowcard

Has there ever been a hurling side as physically imposing and as athletic as this Limerick side. They just physically crush their opponents, don't think anyone will get near them this year.

imtommygunn

They're getting close to as dominant as Dublin were in the football. That Waterford team is fantastic too but will probably never win an ai , or one soon anyway, with Limerick about.

johnnycool

Quote from: imtommygunn on April 23, 2022, 08:36:43 PM
They're getting close to as dominant as Dublin were in the football. That Waterford team is fantastic too but will probably never win an ai , or one soon anyway, with Limerick about.

Waterford gave Limerick their fill of it for the full 70 minutes, fantastic game but Limerick showed why they're going to be the team to beat and also showed strength in depth as they now have a fairly busy treatment room yet lads like Pat Ryan come on and flick over a few points.

Wexford were poor vrs the Dubs who deserved their win even if they got a fright at the end. Terrible shooting and decision making by the yella bellies was their undoing.
Dublin fullback was outstanding.



Bord na Mona man

Limerick still comfortably ahead of the pack but Waterford showed that they'd still have a puncher's chance if they met in the All Ireland.
With Flanagan, Kyle Hayes and Peter Casey already injured and now Cian Lynch, you'd never know. Players who've had a hectic few years and bulked up a lot physically could be injury prone.


seafoid

It's weird to have a Leinster 6 and no Offaly.
Munster looks stronger again.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

marty34

Quote from: johnnycool on April 24, 2022, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 23, 2022, 08:36:43 PM
They're getting close to as dominant as Dublin were in the football. That Waterford team is fantastic too but will probably never win an ai , or one soon anyway, with Limerick about.

Waterford gave Limerick their fill of it for the full 70 minutes, fantastic game but Limerick showed why they're going to be the team to beat and also showed strength in depth as they now have a fairly busy treatment room yet lads like Pat Ryan come on and flick over a few points.

Wexford were poor vrs the Dubs who deserved their win even if they got a fright at the end. Terrible shooting and decision making by the yella bellies was their undoing.
Dublin fullback was outstanding.

Eoghan O'Donnell is a quality hurler. All-Star material.

Last year I think he was marking a T.J. in the Leinster Final but he went off after 5 mins with a hamstring inhury.  I think he came back for the final but came back too early.

KK went on to win comfortably enough but would have negated T.J. rightly if he had stsyed on.

Although Dubs had 2 lads out with Covid also iirc which didn't help them.


johnnycool

Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....

Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.

If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..

O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..

Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....

Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.

If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..

O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..

Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Bonnar is there for the long haul. Tipp need a full rebuild.
This year does not matter. The question is whether Cork will be ahead of Tipp 3 years from now.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild

/Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.

"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.

"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....

Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.

If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..

O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..

Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Bonnar is there for the long haul. Tipp need a full rebuild.
This year does not matter. The question is whether Cork will be ahead of Tipp 3 years from now.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild

/Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.

"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.

"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.

Tipp aren't renowned for their patience when it comes to their senior hurlers, that's entitlement for you.

Putting up a good show vrs Waterford earned Bonner some brownie points, but they're well gone after the nature of the defeat by Clare as much as anything.

Limerick and Cork next for Tipp.

Salvaging some pride by beating Cork (too early in the year to save the hay) in the last game might be enough to keep Bonner in place for 2023

Saffrongael

Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....

Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.

If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..

O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..

Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Bonnar is there for the long haul. Tipp need a full rebuild.
This year does not matter. The question is whether Cork will be ahead of Tipp 3 years from now.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild

/Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.

"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.

"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.

Of course a manager is going to say it takes X number of years. They have to preserve themselves for when it goes belly up. "It's a long term process" etc

And as JC said Tipp not renowned for patience
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

Milltown Row2

If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.

Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

marty34

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.

Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence

Tipperary definately in "transition". Some people don't like that word but it's true - when you lose the 2 Mahers, Jame Barry etc. with Seamie C and Bubbles (injured, plus the Mc Grath's with a lot of mileage on the clock, that's transition over 3 or 4 years.  Won't be turned around overnight.  I think Tipp people understand this now. Colm B underatands it and will get another year regardless of what happens in the next few weeks.

I wonder will LC get the chance to manage his native Tipp? Will it be held against him by the powers to be that he stayed in Waterford? Or is he a cert to come in after Bonnar?  I still think he'll get another year in Waterford - he has enough credit in the bank this past few years.

johnnycool

Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2022, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.

Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence

Tipperary definately in "transition". Some people don't like that word but it's true - when you lose the 2 Mahers, Jame Barry etc. with Seamie C and Bubbles (injured, plus the Mc Grath's with a lot of mileage on the clock, that's transition over 3 or 4 years.  Won't be turned around overnight.  I think Tipp people understand this now. Colm B underatands it and will get another year regardless of what happens in the next few weeks.

I wonder will LC get the chance to manage his native Tipp? Will it be held against him by the powers to be that he stayed in Waterford? Or is he a cert to come in after Bonnar?  I still think he'll get another year in Waterford - he has enough credit in the bank this past few years.

Cahill will be with Waterford for as long as he so desires. He has them as serious contenders and the panel is still pretty young.
You'd be right about the thickness of Tipp fans and whether they'd forgive him for turning them down in their hour of need and how that plays out longer term is anyones guess.

Colm B will get at least next years Munster championship, but there needs to big holes filled in that Tipp team and a definitive style of play, none of which was obvious yesterday.

The McGraths et all have run their race at this level, fine hurlers, but it'll be interesting if the younger one can hold the No3 berth, he'd a baptism of fire yesterday and the league didn't go well for him either.


marty34

Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 03:22:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2022, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.

Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence

Tipperary definately in "transition". Some people don't like that word but it's true - when you lose the 2 Mahers, Jame Barry etc. with Seamie C and Bubbles (injured, plus the Mc Grath's with a lot of mileage on the clock, that's transition over 3 or 4 years.  Won't be turned around overnight.  I think Tipp people understand this now. Colm B underatands it and will get another year regardless of what happens in the next few weeks.

I wonder will LC get the chance to manage his native Tipp? Will it be held against him by the powers to be that he stayed in Waterford? Or is he a cert to come in after Bonnar?  I still think he'll get another year in Waterford - he has enough credit in the bank this past few years.

Cahill will be with Waterford for as long as he so desires. He has them as serious contenders and the panel is still pretty young.
You'd be right about the thickness of Tipp fans and whether they'd forgive him for turning them down in their hour of need and how that plays out longer term is anyones guess.

Colm B will get at least next years Munster championship, but there needs to big holes filled in that Tipp team and a definitive style of play, none of which was obvious yesterday.

The McGraths et all have run their race at this level, fine hurlers, but it'll be interesting if the younger one can hold the No3 berth, he'd a baptism of fire yesterday and the league didn't go well for him either.

Yeah, Brian is a defender.  You'd think with Noel and John being outstanding forwards, that he'd be similar to them.  They've been unbeliveable for LM/CY and Tipp, both in football and football down through the years.  Fantastic talents and really good to watch. Great hand and hurling brains.

Brian, I think was a minor winning captain and has the talent but Duggan is a handful for anybody on the square. I saw Brian as more of a wing-back but players are everywhere nowadays.

In fairness, Munster, with this group format, is really tight. It really is on the day between everyone but Limerick and to a certain degree the Déise. 

Makes for great viewing though.

Milltown Row2

Its great to watch but the battles are intense and physically/mentally draining for the players.. the squads need to be used to lessen the burden, otherwise you'll have a fantastic Munster championship but shattered teams heading into the business end of things
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea