China Coronavirus

[Cunny Funt]

Agree I do think the worst is yet to come
I think the first 3 weeks of January is where we will see the highest number of cases and deaths unfortunately
The Christmas gatherings and parties will show in next few days

We'll have highest reported cases certainly. The spring has had the highest infection rate but didn't show in the data as we didn't test as much as now.  I'd hope we don't get close to the spring death count on this island this January.

[Smurfy123]

I would expect that we will see bigger numbers today both in the north and south
People now need to take lockdown seriously for the next 6 weeks and finally come out of these lockdowns
A combination of maybe getting the numbers down to say 3/400 and 300000 vaccinations would be some going
Works out something close to 5000 a day
Possible???

[Tony Baloney]

Read an article this morn that says the UK need to do 2 million vaccinations per week to keep ahead of the wave. They'll need to set up field hospitals and get the Brits to work around the clock to hit this number. Based on their organisation of PPE deployment and track and trace they'll not get near it.

[armaghniac]

Read an article this morn that says the UK need to do 2 million vaccinations per week to keep ahead of the wave. They'll need to set up field hospitals and get the Brits to work around the clock to hit this number. Based on their organisation of PPE deployment and track and trace they'll not get near it.

How many got flu vaccines this year? Let's say 40% of people, over 10 weeks or so, that would be this number.
Now the Covid needs two jabs, and Pfizer and Moderna jabs need complex handling, but the Oxford jab is probably not any more complex to deliver than the flu jab and every nurse and pharmacist can do it.

[Rossfan]

More restrictions coming?
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/emergency-cabinet-meeting-called-over-covid-19-amid-alarm-at-rise-in-hospital-admissions-39910120.html

[FermGael]

1556 positive cases in the last 24 hours in the north with 14 further deaths

[brokencrossbar1]

The notion of making the vaccine compulsory for your job will be extremely hard to enforce. That is a significant change to a contract of employment and you can't simply make a unilateral change and enforce it on someone. If you make it as a pre-requisite for people applying for a job it will leave companies so open to potential claims.

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1556 positive cases in the last 24 hours in the north with 14 further deaths

In what settings? What is driving these numbers? Public have a right to know.

[armaghniac]

The notion of making the vaccine compulsory for your job will be extremely hard to enforce. That is a significant change to a contract of employment and you can't simply make a unilateral change and enforce it on someone. If you make it as a pre-requisite for people applying for a job it will leave companies so open to potential claims.

The government need to change the law. Companies must not employ people who are a health risk to their customers and they must have the legal rights to do so. Make companies responsible for any infection from unvaccinated people.

[Smurfy123]

It has to be house gatherings?
Retail was open for a very long time and no where near these numbers. Retail Pubs Restaurants Gyms and the lot and no where near these numbers
The bit I don't get is obviously indoors is the big big place to catch this.
Why not allow golf outdoors sports outdoor walks outdoor everything.
I get the mixing bit but surely if people had other things to do they maybe would not be that inclined to ask people around to the house
Even gyms which is easily policed and gets people out of the house
They need to get a better system going
No schools open in 10 days can't blame them.

[BennyCake]

The notion of making the vaccine compulsory for your job will be extremely hard to enforce. That is a significant change to a contract of employment and you can't simply make a unilateral change and enforce it on someone. If you make it as a pre-requisite for people applying for a job it will leave companies so open to potential claims.

The government need to change the law. Companies must not employ people who are a health risk to their customers and they must have the legal rights to do so. Make companies responsible for any infection from unvaccinated people.

But how do people even know where/who they get it from? Just because you might work in a shop/office with someone who isn't vaccinated, if you get the virus, doesn't mean they spread it to you.

And how would you police everyone who enters a shop? If someone isn't vaccinated, how would shops know? And are shops going to ask for evidence every time someone goes out for a pint of milk?

[brokencrossbar1]

The notion of making the vaccine compulsory for your job will be extremely hard to enforce. That is a significant change to a contract of employment and you can't simply make a unilateral change and enforce it on someone. If you make it as a pre-requisite for people applying for a job it will leave companies so open to potential claims.

The government need to change the law. Companies must not employ people who are a health risk to their customers and they must have the legal rights to do so. Make companies responsible for any infection from unvaccinated people.

But how do people even know where/who they get it from? Just because you might work in a shop/office with someone who isn't vaccinated, if you get the virus, doesn't mean they spread it to you.

And how would you police everyone who enters a shop? If someone isn't vaccinated, how would shops know? And are shops going to ask for evidence every time someone goes out for a pint of milk?

Impossible to police. The Government cannot simply implement a law which will override the rights of millions of workers and their personal rights.  The vaccination is an invasion of a person, you cannot make it compulsory for people to have a needle stuck in them.  That is a huge breach of civil liberties, whether it is beneficial or not, and the Government cannot do that.

[Milltown Row2]

Was the polio vaccination a mandatory process?

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The notion of making the vaccine compulsory for your job will be extremely hard to enforce. That is a significant change to a contract of employment and you can't simply make a unilateral change and enforce it on someone. If you make it as a pre-requisite for people applying for a job it will leave companies so open to potential claims.

The government need to change the law. Companies must not employ people who are a health risk to their customers and they must have the legal rights to do so. Make companies responsible for any infection from unvaccinated people.

But how do people even know where/who they get it from? Just because you might work in a shop/office with someone who isn't vaccinated, if you get the virus, doesn't mean they spread it to you.

And how would you police everyone who enters a shop? If someone isn't vaccinated, how would shops know? And are shops going to ask for evidence every time someone goes out for a pint of milk?

Impossible to police. The Government cannot simply implement a law which will override the rights of millions of workers and their personal rights.  The vaccination is an invasion of a person, you cannot make it compulsory for people to have a needle stuck in them.  That is a huge breach of civil liberties, whether it is beneficial or not, and the Government cannot do that.

Travel will probably be the main stick. Lots of countries require vaccinations before you can travel and I'd imagine trying to get a Visa to countries that have had strict lockdowns without the vaccine would be nigh on impossible. I'm thinking South Korea, Australia, NZ. Some airlines might also ask for proof as well. Was it Quantas who mentioned this? This might only be a self certification similar to all the No's you tick on a US visa but with heavy punishments if you're found out to have lied.
There'll be lots of unintelligent people who won't get the vaccine and unfortunately there isn't a lot you can do only try and educate them as best as possible.

[Milltown Row2]

Already being done in some parts, in-laws were in Tenerife they had to be tested and certificates shown, I'd imagine the vaccine will be same