Kerry v Tyrone All Ireland Semi Final 11th August 2019 - Post match analysis

[Angelo]

3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees

Soft?

2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.

One was never a free, I agree with that. The other two were definite frees. The first one for holding. The second one was a foul by your number 6. He pulled the guy back by the shoulder. He didn't even need to. I'd be more annoyed at him than the ref if I was a Tyrone fan

McGeary popped the ball out of the guys hands, there was very little contact. If that was a free in the scoring range then McShane and Donnelly had one every time the ball went down. Likewise for the Meyler one, it was a swandive from O'Shea. It's not netball, there is contact.

It's the sheer hypocrisy of what was deemed a foul at one end of the pitch and what wasn't at the other.

[tonto1888]

3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees

Soft?

2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.

One was never a free, I agree with that. The other two were definite frees. The first one for holding. The second one was a foul by your number 6. He pulled the guy back by the shoulder. He didn't even need to. I'd be more annoyed at him than the ref if I was a Tyrone fan

McGeary popped the ball out of the guys hands, there was very little contact. If that was a free in the scoring range then McShane and Donnelly had one every time the ball went down. Likewise for the Meyler one, it was a swandive from O'Shea. It's not netball, there is contact.

It's the sheer hypocrisy of what was deemed a foul at one end of the pitch and what wasn't at the other.

He pulled the shoulder back mate. It was a dead cert free

[Angelo]

3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees

Soft?

2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.

One was never a free, I agree with that. The other two were definite frees. The first one for holding. The second one was a foul by your number 6. He pulled the guy back by the shoulder. He didn't even need to. I'd be more annoyed at him than the ref if I was a Tyrone fan

McGeary popped the ball out of the guys hands, there was very little contact. If that was a free in the scoring range then McShane and Donnelly had one every time the ball went down. Likewise for the Meyler one, it was a swandive from O'Shea. It's not netball, there is contact.

It's the sheer hypocrisy of what was deemed a foul at one end of the pitch and what wasn't at the other.

He pulled the shoulder back mate. It was a dead cert free

It's a very soft free, there was minimal contact - why did he ignore so many more obvious frees down the other end of the pitch? Donnelly had men hanging out of him anytime he won a ball, McShane the same.

[imtommygunn]

McGeary clearly fouled him and worse didn't even need to. He dragged him back by the shoulder. Blatant free.

[RedHand88]

I'm not blaming Deegan for the result. Tyrones heads went at a crucial point in the game. When Kerry went 1 up it felt inevitable that they would win. That shouldnt be the case.

[Angelo]

McGeary clearly fouled him and worse didn't even need to. He dragged him back by the shoulder. Blatant free.

It was extremely soft when he was letting much more physical illegitimate contact go down the other end of the pitch. You have to judge a foul on what's being let go, the three frees Kerry got at the start of the second half were as soft as they come when compared to some of the stuff he let go at the other end of the pitch.

[Zulu]

On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.

Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.

He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4

Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.

Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?

Indirect free to the team who had the ball!!

Two players wrestling on the ground and you want a free for the team who had the ball? Really?

Obviously. He doesn't know who started it.
If Dublin are playing keep ball with 5 to go, what's to stop Kerry starting a wrestling match to get a hop ball?

If he doesn't know who started it why give a free to any team?
Absolutely nothing. Sure Dublin were more or less at that craic in the 2017 final

An indirect free to the team who had the ball just gets the game restarted where it was. No team punished or awarded. Hopping the ball punishes & awards.

It was a bad call by Deegan but once he stopped it he had to restart with a throw in as per rule

2.3   When opposing players foul simultaneously, play is restarted by throwing in the ball.

While it wasn't fair on Tyrone, Deegan didn't make an incorrect call by restarting with the throw in.

[imtommygunn]

Angelo it was a blatant foul. If you don't possess the objectivity to see that then it's kind of hard to take your complaints seriously.

[tonto1888]

McGeary clearly fouled him and worse didn't even need to. He dragged him back by the shoulder. Blatant free.

It was extremely soft when he was letting much more physical illegitimate contact go down the other end of the pitch. You have to judge a foul on what's being let go, the three frees Kerry got at the start of the second half were as soft as they come when compared to some of the stuff he let go at the other end of the pitch.

It wasn't soft at all. It was a free all day.

[Owen Brannigan]

Deegan is not good for northern teams. At least in this game he gave Tyrone additional time to get back into it.

Tyrone failed because they lost it on the sideline.

No change in tactics to deal with Kerry resurgence and change in attack with introduction of Walsh.

No one on the bench to bring on as a game changer.

Too many on the field at the same level, no equivalent to Geaney, Walsh and Clifford, not even at the standard of Mayo players across the team and bench. When Petey Harte was neutralised, using same tactic as used by Tyrone in the past, e.g. McMahon on Murphy, Tyrone were left with just Donnelly and McShane who carried them throughout the game but when they went off target no one else could score.

[Angelo]

Angelo it was a blatant foul. If you don't possess the objectivity to see that then it's kind of hard to take your complaints seriously.

It was soft, there was minimal contact and there were far more blatant frees not pulled up at the other end of the pitch. It was a very soft free in the scheme of what Kerry were allowed away with.

The Meyler one of Sean O'Shea was a free out, Meyler had his two arms outstretched, O'Shea grabbed a hold to his hand and threw himself on the ground, another bit of guesswork from Deegan 50 yards away.

[Erne Man]

I didn't think Deegan significantly influenced the outcome - as soon as you drop an arm across the shoulder you leave yourself open to being penalised
. Tyrone's inability to create any goal scoring opportunities in the 1st half when well on top was the real reason they lost - the amount of possession  McShane and Donnelly had inside, and not even a half chance created. The regression in Niall Sludden and Peter Harte has made them peripheral in big games - Harte was getting plenty of attention but he should have enough experience and quality to buy himself some attention from the ref.
The lack of quality from the 2015 u 21 team is another factor - McGeary, Burns and Meyler whilst fine athletes, are not top level players and their lack of composure in possession leads to cheap giveaways in big matches they play in.
Will be interesting if the pressure on Harte to step aside grows over the winter - would Tyrone fans countenance Malachy O'Rourke as a replacement?

[Blowitupref]

Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally.  3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.

This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.

Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.

I watched the game.

And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.

Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.

My 1st post, written again, in different words.

Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.

No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.

I thought Kerry were fairly comfortable winners in the end. I appreciate there was just the one score in it but Kerry won the second half by 7 and I didn't think Kerry were under any real pressure in the last 20 minutes.

That all important goal that gave them the lead played a huge part in winning the 2nd half by 7 points. Kerry were lucky they didn't find themselves further than 4 point behind at half time.

Can't be comfortable winning by just 1 score. Tyrone had a few half chances for goals 2nd half and as we seen with Kerry v Monaghan last year a goal with the last play of the game can grab a draw.

[imtommygunn]

Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.

I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.

[gallsman]

Where did the 6 minutes come from?