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#31
Quote from: dublin7 on August 27, 2019, 05:46:22 PM
I think Kerry have to start well. If Dublin get a lead early it could be difficult for Kerry especially as its the 1st final for alot of the Kerry lads.

How they use Tommy Walsh will be interesting.  I can't see him lasting 70+min but if they're under pressure at half time I can see him being sent on as a target man.

If you're going to beat Dublin you'll need to score goals and that's what gives Kerry a chance. Early goal and they get their tails up you never know...

I belivee Dubs experience and know how will be enough amd they'll win by 3/4 points

Kerry definitely need to score more goals than the Dubs to win but they have the players to do that. I'd imagine Kerry won't go defensive but they will be conscious of not conceding a goal early, or at all if they can. Therefore they may not defend overly aggressively but keep the Dubs on the outside and let them shoot for points in the belief that they can reel them in if their 2-4 behind but if they fall 6 or 7 behind they could be in trouble.
#32
I agree Easytiger95. I think this could be a great game, Kerry have had time to game plan for Dublin and, certainly, from midfield up they match up quite well. Their backs will be under pressure but I think their weakness is way overstated and the Dubs aren't robots, they can underperform. Kerry have the firepower to make this a great final and I genuinely hope it is, irrespective of the result.

I'm looking forward to it and I'm fascinated to see what way Kerry will approach this.
#33
I think the Kerry backs are better than they are given credit for. We all know Dublin are rightly favourites and a lot needs to go right for Kerry but Kerry have a lot of quality and have a subs bench so I expect them to put up a good show. It'll be a massive shock if they win but I think it could be a good game and if it's not and Dublin trounce them then hats off to Dublin. They're a great side and capable of giving anyone a good beating but Kerry don't need to be the better team, they just need to be the better team for 70 minutes on Sunday. I'm looking forward to it anyway.
#34
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.
#35
Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
August 18, 2019, 04:22:47 PM
Ollie Canning and Jamesie O'Connor on Sky basically saying it was a red but shouldn't have been given using the usual irrelevant excuses. A red all day long.
#36
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 11, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally.  3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.

Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.

And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.

My 1st post, written again, in different words.

Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.

No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.

I thought Kerry were fairly comfortable winners in the end. I appreciate there was just the one score in it but Kerry won the second half by 7 and I didn't think Kerry were under any real pressure in the last 20 minutes.

That all important goal that gave them the lead played a huge part in winning the 2nd half by 7 points. Kerry were lucky they didn't find themselves further than 4 point behind at half time.

Can't be comfortable winning by just 1 score. Tyrone had a few half chances for goals 2nd half and as we seen with Kerry v Monaghan last year a goal with the last play of the game can grab a draw.

All true enough but I don't agree a one score win can't be comfortable. Yes, you can get caught if only a score up but you can win some games more comfortably than the scoreline suggests. Dubs All Ireland win last year and Kerry's win today are two examples for me.
#37
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 08:06:51 PM
Where did the 6 minutes come from?

I think every substitution is an additional 30 seconds. It was brought in as teams were just wasting out the last 5-10 minutes of the game by brining in subs.
#38
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 07:38:54 PM
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.

Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.



He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4

Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
Indirect free to the team who had the ball!!

Two players wrestling on the ground and you want a free for the team who had the ball? Really?
Obviously. He doesn't know who started it.
If Dublin are playing keep ball with 5 to go, what's to stop Kerry starting a wrestling match to get a hop ball?

If he doesn't know who started it why give a free to any team?
Absolutely nothing. Sure Dublin were more or less at that craic in the 2017 final
An indirect free to the team who had the ball just gets the game restarted where it was. No team punished or awarded. Hopping the ball punishes & awards.

It was a bad call by Deegan but once he stopped it he had to restart with a throw in as per rule

2.3   When opposing players foul simultaneously, play is restarted by throwing in the ball.

While it wasn't fair on Tyrone, Deegan didn't make an incorrect call by restarting with the throw in.
#39
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 11, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally.  3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.

Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.

And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.

My 1st post, written again, in different words.

Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.

No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.

I thought Kerry were fairly comfortable winners in the end. I appreciate there was just the one score in it but Kerry won the second half by 7 and I didn't think Kerry were under any real pressure in the last 20 minutes.
#40
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 07:26:14 PM
When Deegan looked at it, it was Sludden on top of his man. Impossible to call.

At the time I actually thought it was Sludden who dragged Geaney to take a defender out of the play but on the replay it was clearly Geaney who was holding on to Sludden. He should have just told the lads to get up and get on with it unless either himself or a linesman saw what happened. Once he stopped play to deal with it I think he might have had to restart with a throw in. If it had been an injury stoppage Tyrone would get to restart as the team in possession but for that incident I think he had to restart with a throw in, though open to correction.


It was a terrible decision but one that many refs make.
#41
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 07:19:11 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 11, 2019, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally.  3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.

Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.

And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.

My 1st post, written again, in different words.

Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.
#42
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 11, 2019, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally.  3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.

Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.

And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
#43
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally.  3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.

Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
#44
Kerry were very cynical at times alright but they were the better team over the 70 minutes and while Deegan gave Kerry a few soft frees it wasn't the winning of the match. Tyrone need to look at how they set up if they want to win the really big games. I expected Kerry to win simply because they knew how Tyrone set up and if they were patient they had enough players to put the ball between the posts. They were awful in the first half but once they adjusted they put Tyrone to the sword.
#45
Quote from: blast05 on August 11, 2019, 02:06:47 PM
Not sure why Mayo supporters need sympathy... we have had (and will continue to have) a fabulous journey. It's not just about winning and losing. Winning is the icing on the cake. The cake is the journey and experiences gained. Ultimately, the last 10 years following this team has resulted in a greatly increased sense of Mayo identity, a pride of place and indeed a resilience in our people that is priceless - and all thanks to this team of warriors. We (the supporters) are truly blessed

Bang on. This Mayo team have sowed the seeds for a bright future for Mayo football and I expect them to challenge for the biggest prize for many years to come even if the next few years might see them drop out of the top 3. They'll be back soon enough if that does happen.