Does this sum up the running of camogie

[Thastheball]

Dublin camogie incensed by coin toss decision
23 July 2015

Dublin manager Shane O'Brien
Dublin camogie is up in arms after learning that its fate in this year's All-Ireland senior championship could be decided by the toss of a coin.

The Camogie Association confirmed last night that, if Clare beat Derry this weekend, they will draw lots to see if the Banner or Dublin will progress in the competition. The two teams are inseparable after the first two tie-breaking procedures following a 1-8 to 1-8 draw earlier in the competition.

Speaking on Morning Ireland today, Dublin boss Michael O'Brien said he feels for the players that have sacrificed so much to get this far in the competition.

"Obviously there was a huge amount of confusion in recent days with the lack of clarity regarding certain procedures," O'Brien said.

"I think there were different interpretations in different parts of the country. Down in Clare they were led to believe it was going to be done on goal difference and other people felt that it would be done by the toss of a coin.

"Obviously we're bitterly disappointed for the player's welfare, for the sacrifices the players have made."

He added: "To be honest, (the players) are distraught really. They've given so much of their time, made so many sacrifices.

"We've met together as a group 93 times (this season) and it's hugely disrespectful to the efforts the players have made. They've given up their lives for this competition and it's devaluing the competition at this stage."

Clare host Derry in Ennis on Saturday at 2.30pm, and in the event of a win for the home side the coin toss will take place immediately after the final whistle.

[Hardy]

When is the coin toss on? I might go.

[didlyi]

Its on at a tossers venue. Im sure youve been there before.

[Aaron Boone]

Interesting fact is that Dublin are still top of camogie roll of honour with 26 titles. They haven't won it since 1984.

[deiseach]

'Nurses in the Mater' is clearly not as potent a force as it once was.

[rosnarun]

I think a lot of competitons eventually can come to a coin toss at some stage . i've a feeling in soccerball world cup group Qualification after about 10 tiebreakers come to a coin toss/ Its unfortunate but sometime it has to happen. a play off would seem to make much more sense even a midweek one if it would keep people happy

[screenexile]

Could it not go to score difference or even a midweek playoff or something?

[Hardy]

Dear Sirs,

Regarding the difficulty in selecting between Dublin and Clare in respect of progressing in the All-Ireland camogie championships, I have a suggestion. The captains of the two teams should mud-wrestle to determine which team goes forward.

I am pleased to be of assistance in this matter.

Yours sincerely,
Peter Alliss.

[thewobbler]

Just drove past the club, where Down are entertaining Cork in the intermediate camogie All-Ireland.

Both teams have decided to play in the same shade of red. Granted Down have black skirts on, but still it looks like an in house training match.

Why on earth would anyone get up at the crack of dawn and drive 200 miles to handicap themselves with clashing colours?

[Walt Jabsco]

Why did you no stop and go in and ask them?

[BennyCake]

When is the coin toss on? I might go.

It's an all-ticket affair.

[dec]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0729/717890-dublin-and-clare-boycott-camogie-coin-toss/

The future of this season's All-Ireland senior camogie championship is in question after Dublin and Clare both pulled out of today's drawing of lots for a place in the All-Ireland quarter-finals.

Both sides finished their group games with equal points, while they played out a 1-08 to 1-08 draw earlier in the campaign, however, points' difference or a play-off were not a consideration to decide the rankings and instead the drawing of lots was due to decide who would progress.

The executives of the Dublin and Clare camogie board held a conference call last night, at which it was decided that both counties would withdraw their names from the drawing of lots, which was scheduled to take place at 9:30 this morning.

Both counties had lodged appeals, but in a lengthy statement yesterday the Camogie Association ruled that those appeals could not be heard as any decision taken by the the association's Ard Comhlaire cannot be appealed.

It said that under ''pre-determined procedures'' lots would be drawn this morning to decide who'll play Wexford in Saturday's quarter-final in Thurles.

A harshly worded statement from the Executive of the Clare County Board was scathing in its criticism of the Camogie Association.

"The Camogie Association has demonstrated their utter contempt and disdain for every player and member of the Association. How can a governing sporting body justify by any logic the Drawing of Lots(coin toss) to determine progression in Championship?," it read.

"Clare Camogie demands more respect for its players and administrators than what is being levelled at them by the Camogie Association officials.

"The decision by Ard Chomhairle not to adjudicate on the merit of Appeals lodged, shows the contempt with which the lower units of the Association are held.

"The upset and mental anguish that has been forced upon players by the Association, will have deep and long lasting repercussions. Players are inconsolable and feel betrayed."

"This is a regressive step for the Association and will be of detriment, not only to Clare and Dublin but to Camogie on whole. The Association have passed up an opportunity to address this fiasco with the appeals of both Clare and Dublin. Thus, in choosing not to do so have left it to Clare and Dublin to up-hold the sporting integrity of the Association," the statement concluded.

It's unclear how the Camogie Assocation will respond to this latest development.

[Zulu]

Does anybody know why points' difference, score difference or a play-off was not used and whether counties were aware they wouldn't be used at the start of the competition?

[Goin Down]

A restructuring of the camogie championship is needed 

In fairness though a coin toss to decide a winner is mad in this day and age, it wouldn't even come into consideration in Senior Hurling or Football.

[Jinxy]

Does the winner of the coin toss get a skiing holiday?