The ulster rugby trial

[brokencrossbar1]

how can there be missing messages? these are easily recoverable from both the phone and whatsapp. PSNI are so incompetent.

They aren't recoverable from WhatsApp as far as I know and I doubt that the recovery of them from the phone would be admissible in court. To be honest I've had a lot of experience with the PSNI e crime unit in both my current job and my previous one. The unit is now very knowledgeable and tech savy I have to say.

Graham Dwyer was largely prosecuted in Dublin for killing Elaine O'Hara on the basis of text messages. The providers are obliged to keep the messages, even if there was no phone available at all.

Currently being challenged.

http://www.thejournal.ie/graham-dwyer-telephone-records-3862022-Feb2018/

[seafoid]

https://www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/anatomy-of-a-night-out-read-the-whatsapp-and-text-messages-sent-by-jackson-olding-mciiroy-harrison-and-others-as-heard-by-the-jury-618032?__twitter_impression=true

The prosecution are going down the character line.

[David McKeown]

how can there be missing messages? these are easily recoverable from both the phone and whatsapp. PSNI are so incompetent.

They aren't recoverable from WhatsApp as far as I know and I doubt that the recovery of them from the phone would be admissible in court. To be honest I've had a lot of experience with the PSNI e crime unit in both my current job and my previous one. The unit is now very knowledgeable and tech savy I have to say.

Graham Dwyer was largely prosecuted in Dublin for killing Elaine O'Hara on the basis of text messages. The providers are obliged to keep the messages, even if there was no phone available at all.

Texts are very different to what's app though. What's app is encrypted point to point. What's app itself claims it can't recover or read messages after they are sent as far as I know.

[Hardy]

I think the evidence against Dwyer was phone location data, proving he was at or near the scene, rather than texts.

[armaghniac]

how can there be missing messages? these are easily recoverable from both the phone and whatsapp. PSNI are so incompetent.

They aren't recoverable from WhatsApp as far as I know and I doubt that the recovery of them from the phone would be admissible in court. To be honest I've had a lot of experience with the PSNI e crime unit in both my current job and my previous one. The unit is now very knowledgeable and tech savy I have to say.

Graham Dwyer was largely prosecuted in Dublin for killing Elaine O'Hara on the basis of text messages. The providers are obliged to keep the messages, even if there was no phone available at all.

Texts are very different to what's app though. What's app is encrypted point to point. What's app itself claims it can't recover or read messages after they are sent as far as I know.

This is a difference, right enough.

I think the evidence against Dwyer was phone location data, proving he was at or near the scene, rather than texts.

The content of the texts were also important.

[Kuwabatake Sanjuro]

https://www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/anatomy-of-a-night-out-read-the-whatsapp-and-text-messages-sent-by-jackson-olding-mciiroy-harrison-and-others-as-heard-by-the-jury-618032?__twitter_impression=true

Excellent stuff from joe.ie.

[Orchard park]

https://www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/anatomy-of-a-night-out-read-the-whatsapp-and-text-messages-sent-by-jackson-olding-mciiroy-harrison-and-others-as-heard-by-the-jury-618032?__twitter_impression=true

Excellent stuff from joe.ie.

First time I have ever seen excellent and Joe.ie used in same sentence. 

[imtommygunn]

Was thinking exactly that. Clickbait crap.

[Tony Baloney]

https://www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/anatomy-of-a-night-out-read-the-whatsapp-and-text-messages-sent-by-jackson-olding-mciiroy-harrison-and-others-as-heard-by-the-jury-618032?__twitter_impression=true

Excellent stuff from joe.ie.

Reading the flow of messages I'm even more convinced they didn't rape her.

[Kuwabatake Sanjuro]

I came to the opposite conclusion myself.
The victim's behaviour is completely that of a victim and while there isn't a whole lot of insight into the Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding's thought process in the aftermath there does seem to be a clean up centred around Harrison. McIlroy shows himself to be a clown and a sc**bag whether guilty or not.

[imtommygunn]

I came to the opposite conclusion myself.
McIlroy shows himself to be a clown and a sc**bag whether guilty or not.

They all do really.

I am not convinced they will be found guilty but they come across as scumbags anyway.

[Tony Baloney]

I came to the opposite conclusion myself.
The victim's behaviour is completely that of a victim and while there isn't a whole lot of insight into the Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding's thought process in the aftermath there does seem to be a clean up centred around Harrison. McIlroy shows himself to be a clown and a sc**bag whether guilty or not.

They are definitely guilty of being arseholes but that isn't a criminal offence.

[Syferus]

I came to the opposite conclusion myself.
The victim's behaviour is completely that of a victim and while there isn't a whole lot of insight into the Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding's thought process in the aftermath there does seem to be a clean up centred around Harrison. McIlroy shows himself to be a clown and a sc**bag whether guilty or not.

They are definitely guilty of being arseholes but that isn't a criminal offence.

Rape is.

[Tony Baloney]

I came to the opposite conclusion myself.
The victim's behaviour is completely that of a victim and while there isn't a whole lot of insight into the Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding's thought process in the aftermath there does seem to be a clean up centred around Harrison. McIlroy shows himself to be a clown and a sc**bag whether guilty or not.

They are definitely guilty of being arseholes but that isn't a criminal offence.

Rape is.

Further evidence that you are the greatest legal mind in Ireland.

[Syferus]

I came to the opposite conclusion myself.
The victim's behaviour is completely that of a victim and while there isn't a whole lot of insight into the Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding's thought process in the aftermath there does seem to be a clean up centred around Harrison. McIlroy shows himself to be a clown and a sc**bag whether guilty or not.

They are definitely guilty of being arseholes but that isn't a criminal offence.

Rape is.

Further evidence that you are the greatest legal mind in Ireland.

Someone's a bit touchy.

It's pretty clear there was a cover up. I can't see how you can read the evidence and think otherwise.