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Canavan show. There won't be a picture coloured in for a week.

Obviously one jealous,twisted individual

How many of that Ulster Uni team were from Tyrone?  Or would it be easier to ask how many were not from Tyrone?

13 Tyrone men on panel but eight Ulster counties represented tonight
Fantastic achievement

Facts are important.
Ulster University was not established in 1984. The University of Ulster was established in 1984. It was rebranded as Ulster University in 2014.

Fact
Again you are correct.
University of Ulster was established in 1984 and remains University of Ulster by Charter.
Ulster University is now the brand name.

Yes - UUJ have previously won the competition but Ulster University is a new entity combining Magee, Coleraine and maybe a few other campuses.

The Poly covers all bases..

Do the BIFHE guys still tog out for UU?

There were a fair few of them kicking about back in my time.

They certainly did within the last few years anyway.

Magee, Coleraine etc have always been part of UU. It's not a "new" entity at all.

Incorrect. The new entity now legally selects whatever players it wants from all campuses and if you're not involved with the mothership first team you can play with the campus teams in the lower grades.

Obviously that's a change from when they would select those campus players anyway as UUJ and not declare it!

Lads let's deal in facts and not snobbery
Ulster University was established in 1984 with four campuses Coleraine, Magee, Belfast and Jordanstown. Jordanstown now closed and only sports facilities remain in use.
Students from Magee and Coleraine could also play for Belfast. However due to the distance for training very few do.
This rule was clarified after a successful appeal to allow Stranmillis student Martin Clarke to play for Queens. The same way St Pats Drumcondra is now part of DCU.
Magee,Coleraine and Stranmillis have campus teams in the lower divisions.
You can only play for one campus
Example Coleraine or Belfast.
Queens or Stranmillis.

What exactly are the eligibility rules?

- Student has to be registered in the main institution? eg. Ulster University
- Student has to be registered on a specific campus in the main institution? Ulster University, Jordanstown Campus
- Student has to be registered in the main institution or a partner college and hold a valid student card? ie. Belfast Met on UU linked foundation degree (holding UU student card)
- Any minimum credit points the student has to be studying?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_KcdZoJ1VnZallGUG1oMTRycWM/view?pref=2&pli=1

Go back and read the relevant posts CK. Queens WON the appeal and the case was dismissed (after a 5 hour hearing).

But they have a sweat on about a few players who were apparently suspended for 12 weeks on a technicality because they were not able to turn up in person to the appeal.

Queens are hopeful this will be rescinded/overturned. That's my understanding of it...though I am quite a distance from any involvement in this.

Ah sorry I didn't read it properly. It sounds like a mountain out of a molehill then, clearly Stranmillis students are part of Queen's. In my day they had Stranmillis students playing too but no one cared cos they weren't big county star names. Now that Martin Clarke is playing it seems to have stirred again.
If QUB have been cleared then the people who are behind the allegations really should do their homework first?

The sigerson is becoming a laughing stock given the amount of farcical rows there are off the pitch.

Your correct CK,in your day. But there is now a fully functioning Gaelic Club at Stranmillis.  I was told today that the rules were changed to prevent this happening but obviously who ever is in charge needs to have another look at it or forget about it altogether
I think it's time for Sigerson to become a competition for non County players.

Go back and read the relevant posts CK. Queens WON the appeal and the case was dismissed (after a 5 hour hearing).

But they have a sweat on about a few players who were apparently suspended for 12 weeks on a technicality because they were not able to turn up in person to the appeal.

Queens are hopeful this will be rescinded/overturned. That's my understanding of it...though I am quite a distance from any involvement in this.

That is also my understanding. Having had the case dismissed on Saturday, you would also expect the players to win on appeal

I believe
QUBGAA played a number of Stranmillis Students including Marty Clarke. The players, manager James Mc Cartan and QUB official were all suspended.  QUB was thrown out of the Sigerson Cup sometime after they played Maynooth, not sure when.
There is a fully functioning GAA club in Stranmillis playing in a lower division.
If I read the statement correctly those that turned up and QUBGAA won their cases at the hearing committee. Those who did not turn up were suspended.
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Are u seriously saying that queens have been thrown out of Sigerson? Why are we only learning of this in a chat room?
I previously checked the status of Stranmillis and queens for former role and it would appear legit enough in that Stranmillis seems to be a teaching college in queens. The students all have qub student cards and they all graduate from queens. However, if this has changed then shame on them.
O'Rourke was in the Irish news last week complaining about illegal players in Fitz and Sigerson. This whole thing seems incredible.

Ck I am told that the Higher Ed committee threw QUB out at a meeting last Tuesday night.  I suppose after last year everyone wanted it to be kept quiet.
You are also correct in relation to Stranmillis and the student cards. Only problem is that Stranmillis has its own football club in Division 3
Also remember St Mary's , Stranmillis and Queens all have the same cards.

I believe
QUBGAA played a number of Stranmillis Students including Marty Clarke. The players, manager James Mc Cartan and QUB official were all suspended.  QUB was thrown out of the Sigerson Cup sometime after they played Maynooth, not sure when.
There is a fully functioning GAA club in Stranmillis playing in a lower division.
If I read the statement correctly those that turned up and QUBGAA won their cases at the hearing committee. Those who did not turn up were suspended.

[probably their starting position to be negotiated back to any U21 player becoming ineligible once they have played a senior match.]

Yeah, I don't get when they'd abolish the football and not the hurling. I don't think they even want to abolish the football, probably their starting position to be negotiated back to any U21 player becoming ineligible once they have played a senior match.

That would only dilute the competition and you are as well to scrap it if the best players aren't allowed to play in it.

Why? The correct solution is to tackle the cause of the problem - players being eligible for too many teams. Don't allow dual IC players or multiple IC representation, you play with one IC team in a year and the problem is largely solved. If you did that you could (theoretically) play 16 IC minor, 16 U21, 16 junior, 16 intermediate and 16 senior competitive games in both codes for all teams in 4 months and have 8 months for the clubs. I know you wouldn't play 16 games in 16 weeks but our IC minor and U21 competitions are developmental and there's no reason why we can't offer 6-10 competitive games to these players if that is the only IC team they play for. More IC games and more club games and a very simple solution.

Unfortunately not enough people know the madness that is going on. Competitions are one thing but the main problem is the training regime, pure madness that are players are being asked to do. The U21 football championship does not start until March but already several counties have been training two and three time at week from September including 7am starts.
This madness has to stop, pre season training for up to 6 months before a competition starts cannot be right.

Mary I have appealed It Carlow GAA's reinstatement in Independent.ie GAA Higher Education Fitzgibbon Cup to the DRA - tomorrow's quarter-finals are in doubt.

Following the decision of the Central Appeal's Committee to uphold IT Carlow's Appeal and overturn the decision to Award the Independent.ie Fitzgibbon Cup fixture between IT Carlow and Mary I (February 10th)  to Mary I by Comhairle Ardoideachais (CA), the Independent.ie Fitzgibbon Cup Quarter-FInal fixtures which were scheduled for Thursday 19th February are now cancelled.

Comhairle Ardoideachais (CA) would like to clarify the implications of the decisions of the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) last evening, as there have been considerable inaccuracies in some media reports with regard to the appeals arising from the Independent.ie HE GAA Sigerson Cup fixture on 28.01.14 between Queens University GAA Club and IT Sligo GAA Club.
IT Sligo's Stephen Doak was deemed to be eligible to play for the club as, in the view of the CAC, he satisfied all the criteria of being a full-time student due to his ongoing studies. He also performs the role of Student Union President. CA reconfirms that full-time paid Student Union Officers, who are not full time students, are not eligible to play in CA competitions.
The ruling of the CAC in relation to the students of Stranmillis University College now permits the students in question to play for Queen's. CA were of the view that a separate Stranmillis club has been in existence and affiliated to CA for the past two academic years and that these students were only entitled to play for the Stranmillis GAA Club.
While accepting the decisions of the CAC in these cases with respect to the 2015 Independent.ie Sigerson Cup, the long-term implications of these decisions will be considered by CA at a later date, and any proposed changes to the CA Constitution & Bye-Laws arising from these decisions will be brought as motions before all Higher Education Clubs to consider and vote on at the Annual Convention in April.

sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/

The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra,  UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort

And what about your beloved Jordanstown Stronghold? Will you answer my questions I have now posed 3 times?

Q: Are all those who lined out for Jordanstown in Sigerson this year full time students at Jordanstown? Yes/No

CK  In my opinion 100% yes, that is even before the rulings last night which change things. That is why this has to be sorted.

sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/

The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra,  UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort