Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh

Started by Jinxy, September 09, 2018, 08:44:59 PM

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Jinxy

Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2018, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 22, 2018, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 22, 2018, 06:40:38 PM
So the investigation has taken place, the footage has been reviewed and the Tyrone county board have agreed that there was nothing malicious in the Sean Cavanagh incident and no further action will be taken. I'd assume there'll be a few apologies and retractions being offered over the next few days?
https://twitter.com/declanbogue/status/1043543348861120512?s=21

That won't suit some agendas
Welease the video!!

What are they hiding?

If you were any use you'd be playing.


haranguerer


yellowcard

Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 10:52:46 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0925/998096-moy-sean-cavanagh/

It puts paid to the notion that Cavanagh and Moy have ever accepted that it was anything but a deliberate act. Only the Edendork player will truly know his intentions himself, but I think that the Tyrone county board need to release the video footage if they want full transparency. It might still not be 100% clear but at least people can make their own minds up based on the evidence and if Edendork believe they have been slandered they will also welcome the chance to clear their players name.   

Delegater

Quote from: yellowcard on September 26, 2018, 08:42:14 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2018, 10:52:46 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0925/998096-moy-sean-cavanagh/

It puts paid to the notion that Cavanagh and Moy have ever accepted that it was anything but a deliberate act. Only the Edendork player will truly know his intentions himself, but I think that the Tyrone county board need to release the video footage if they want full transparency. It might still not be 100% clear but at least people can make their own minds up based on the evidence and if Edendork believe they have been slandered they will also welcome the chance to clear their players name.

Would a club have the legal capability to prevent the CB releasing a video?

haranguerer

What exactly does prolonging this achieve? Who cares what the man on the street thinks about the incident? At the end of the day those who want it to be deliberate will see that in the video, and those who don't, won't.

Moy have released a statement saying they disagree with their own county boards interpretation of the incident. I don't know on what planet they think that's a good idea. If they really are that interested in having a player retrospectively punished for what appears to be a debatable incident, releasing statements to the media would not seem to be the best way to go about it, and it certainly contravenes part of their self-same statement:

'The club also condemned online abuse that appeared against both sides in the aftermath of the incident and appealed for restraint, and wished Edendork well in the next round of the championship.'

Such a shit show

Hound

If Moy are correct in their assertion that the injury to Cavanagh happened directly after he caught a mark, then they are absolutely correct to appeal the decision. (Presuming they are entitled to appeal under the rules of the Association). It's the right thing to do.


haranguerer

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I don't understand what you think the relevance of it happening directly after he caught a mark is. That doesn't change in the slightest whether it was deliberate or accidental. The ref was there, he deemed it accidental.

If they want to appeal, they can (as you say, presuming entitled to under the rules) - releasing a statement would not seem to be the best way to go about that, and indeed, would seem to be deliberately designed to escalate this in the (uninformed) public eye

Redhand Santa

Quote from: haranguerer on September 26, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
What exactly does prolonging this achieve? Who cares what the man on the street thinks about the incident? At the end of the day those who want it to be deliberate will see that in the video, and those who don't, won't.

Moy have released a statement saying they disagree with their own county boards interpretation of the incident. I don't know on what planet they think that's a good idea. If they really are that interested in having a player retrospectively punished for what appears to be a debatable incident, releasing statements to the media would not seem to be the best way to go about it, and it certainly contravenes part of their self-same statement:

'The club also condemned online abuse that appeared against both sides in the aftermath of the incident and appealed for restraint, and wished Edendork well in the next round of the championship.'

Such a shit show

Without seeing the video it's hard to make a judgement but if it does look clearly deliberate then they are 100% correct. Both Edendork and the county board were quick releasing statements saying it was an accident. If it does look deliberate you would have to ask what are the county board at releasing a statement effectively saying it was an accident? They should be trying to cut these incidents out of the game not help cover them up. There have been so many incidents happening in Tyrone club games recently that when evidence is available that a serious assault took place it shouldn't be ignored.

If it was deliberate and you can get away with knocking someone out and breaking their nose with the use of knees in a championship game with 8 match officials and a video you'd wonder what you could get away with a club league game with just a referee there. We've had a few serious assaults in games this year in Tyrone. And high profile players have always been a target, look at whay happened Brian McGuigan in a reserve game a number of years ago. Our players deserve protection.

Redhand Santa

Quote from: haranguerer on September 26, 2018, 09:22:11 AM
I don't understand what you think the relevance of it happening directly after he caught a mark is. That doesn't change in the slightest whether it was deliberate or accidental. The ref was there, he deemed it accidental.

If they want to appeal, they can (as you say, presuming entitled to under the rules) - releasing a statement would not seem to be the best way to go about that, and indeed, would seem to be deliberately designed to escalate this in the (uninformed) public eye

The statement was obviously intended to put pressure on the county board who wanted to brush the incident under the carpet and were quick to release a public statement of their own.

trailer

Edendork had their say. The County board had their say, think now Moy wanted theirs. I understand that the Moy committee saw the footage under supervision of the county board before they released their statement.
The Tyrone County board probably hope by closing ranks this will just go away after the bad press the Club Championship has had.

Main Street

I thought it only took a hair ruffle to floor a Tyrone player but Big Sean's face looks like it has been trampled on by a heifer.

Therealdonald

Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 26, 2018, 09:25:57 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 26, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
What exactly does prolonging this achieve? Who cares what the man on the street thinks about the incident? At the end of the day those who want it to be deliberate will see that in the video, and those who don't, won't.

Moy have released a statement saying they disagree with their own county boards interpretation of the incident. I don't know on what planet they think that's a good idea. If they really are that interested in having a player retrospectively punished for what appears to be a debatable incident, releasing statements to the media would not seem to be the best way to go about it, and it certainly contravenes part of their self-same statement:

'The club also condemned online abuse that appeared against both sides in the aftermath of the incident and appealed for restraint, and wished Edendork well in the next round of the championship.'

Such a shit show

Without seeing the video it's hard to make a judgement but if it does look clearly deliberate then they are 100% correct. Both Edendork and the county board were quick releasing statements saying it was an accident. If it does look deliberate you would have to ask what are the county board at releasing a statement effectively saying it was an accident? They should be trying to cut these incidents out of the game not help cover them up. There have been so many incidents happening in Tyrone club games recently that when evidence is available that a serious assault took place it shouldn't be ignored.

If it was deliberate and you can get away with knocking someone out and breaking their nose with the use of knees in a championship game with 8 match officials and a video you'd wonder what you could get away with a club league game with just a referee there. We've had a few serious assaults in games this year in Tyrone. And high profile players have always been a target, look at whay happened Brian McGuigan in a reserve game a number of years ago. Our players deserve protection.

Big Sean was always a bit of a yap when it came to matters like this. Great player and everything, but still there was a certain softness to him. Gerard O'Kane pulled and dragged at him for 70mins in Casement one year and Sean stood with his two hands up in the air like an air traffic controller.

APM

Quote from: haranguerer on September 26, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
What exactly does prolonging this achieve? Who cares what the man on the street thinks about the incident? At the end of the day those who want it to be deliberate will see that in the video, and those who don't, won't.

Moy have released a statement saying they disagree with their own county boards interpretation of the incident. I don't know on what planet they think that's a good idea. If they really are that interested in having a player retrospectively punished for what appears to be a debatable incident, releasing statements to the media would not seem to be the best way to go about it, and it certainly contravenes part of their self-same statement.



Quick, sweep this under the carpet, it looks bad.  If we don't talk about it or do anything about it, it will just go away.